SoC is supposed to be formed from generations of the strongest champions who kindled the first flame, including Gwyn himself and thousands of main characters with broken ass builds. But we know Radagon, mfer tends to get trigger happy with than damn hammer.
I've seen radagons nearly full constant teleporting wrath,he can go ape shit on nearly any from soft bass but very very rarely, tho SoC has one of the highest raw power and adrenaline,radagon isore tanks tho
@@zeehero7280 yep. Also what a beast move to just shove Marika aside, take control and try to make things right mending the elden ring. He might be a puppet of the greater will, but that man got principles to uphold.
SoC would beat Radagon any day though. You mentioned it literally being every lord of cinder combined. Gwyn alone would beat Radagon. No character ever did anything even remotely as legendary as he did. Godfrey led a war against giants then was exiled and Marika let her husband do the bidding just to cast him aside and with Radagon (who is equal power with her) being on even scaling grounds with SoC, he wasn’t even able to beat SoC who wouldn’t even be canonically as powerful as Gwyn because it wouldn’t have included him in his prime but rather AFTER. Gwyn on the other hand didn’t face giants like Godfrey or exile his spouse like Marika, nope. Instead, Gwyn faced DRAGONS, destroyed them, created a whole new age, prolonged the fire, proceeded to pass down the torch (to chosen undead) and create a legacy which countless other Lords would follow, and continued to fight against the resistance of the all powerful age of dark that included Manus (who literally corrupted one of the most canonically powerful characters in the whole series).
@@WhoDaF0ok1sThatGuy another power scaler defending their favorite characters, no one gives a shit and stop trying to compare characters from entirely different games with utterly different lore that will never interact in any circumstance.
No shame for the fact I was rooting for the Soul of Cinder. He’s not just a final boss. He’s the summation of All of our combined journeys through the lands of Dark souls. He’s the spirit of every single one of us that bled and carved our way through Drangleic and Lordran. He is the soul of every one of us. chosen, cursed, and ashen.
I Did Watch a couple of vids where EB Was counted as Radagon's second phase. Unsurpsusingly, he's an Absolute *menace* in Those, most bosses don't stand a chance
**SoC turns back to see the Ashen one, who turns back to see the Bearer of the Curse, who turns back to see the Chosen Undead, who turns back to see the Slayer of Demons** Everyone: Bitch, its all we ever do!
@@vynthiswechseln3868 in my opinion the soul of cinder is far beyond high complex multiverse level The utter infinitely paradoxical madness of infinite timelines and infinite possibilities infinite universe infinite realities infinite battles that converge into a infinitely infinite convergence that never ends Wouldn't that make soul of cinder possibly high complex hyperversal minimum? The unbelievable power of the soul of cinder simply doesn't ever stop increasing if you think about it the same way I do
Right it's Like throughout all this time all the eons and ages we played these games gwyn the lord of sunlight still lives inside the soul of cinder gwyn comes back for just a second to show radagon the true power of a God
@@lahunica2726 I'm sorry but dark souls 3 is miles better than elden ring in terms of level design, atmosphere, world building, and bosses. I love both games but dark souls 3 is objectively better
@@henrryeaeaea When you hit a boss and don’t even see the yellow drain effect from their health bar, you know they have too much. And that’s what I liked about Souls bosses, they’re difficult to learn the foundations of, but once you do they don’t overstay their welcome. For ER bosses you could know their mechanics inside out and you’ll still be there hitting them for 10+ minutes.
@@CuriosityMisledMe Sorry but if the bosses takes you really that long you are doing something wrong, the ER bosses in average don't last more than 4 minutes even without OP setups and thats already the average duration of other bosses in the series. My problem is how base game DS3 just feels too easy, with bosses lacking in enough ways to punish the player and the life-damage balance don't making-up for it. And as a Vet that made a underwhelming experience until the NK and the DLCs, because I really don't like effortlessly fight and pretend that I'm having trouble with bosses that can die after look at them very hard lol
I wonder how long it would take to make Soulsborne bosses be available in the same arena all at once. Crazy shit like Orphan V Gael V Artorias V Malenia or a dragon battle. Hell, imagine a wolf team with Sif and the red wolf of Radagon
Ur funny radagon is weaker in lore lmao. SoC is the incarnation of every lord of cinder. Which were men capable of felling gods and rekindling the first flame.
@@camarobro1897 I know man unfortunately I was speaking about in game strength, I know Soul of Cinder is the manifestation of all the previous champions of the Flame and lord Gwyn himself, which can make Radagon look like a joke by itself, Dark Souls is my favorite game by the way.
@@camarobro1897 In lorewise? No he ain’t. Just because SOC reborn as a variation, doesn’t make him an embodiment of a god. Also, this comment is ABOUT the gameplay, it has nothing to do with lores 🤦♂️
Yea, in the base game, and SoC because of that would have no chance but yeah why not giving him duble of the base health and duble of the damage… like wtf??? Even lore wise he would get obliterated
In the first round, Radagon did about 29k damage (20.5k against phase one and 8.5k against phase two), while he died after taking about 26.5k damage. So you're lying.
You can search up the HP on the wikis, and if the wiki stats are valid then (Assuming NG HP): SoC Phase 1 (6,557) + Phase 2 (4,209) = 10,766 Radagon = 13,339
SoC may be easy compared to some of the other endgame bosses, but this is almost entirely because of his low stats. Fighting him on my SL1 character taught me to respect his moveset - it is a lot more complex than pretty much any other boss in the game, and he can still twoshot you at SL1 so his lower damage isn't a big downside. Definitely one of my favorite fights.
@@CuriosityMisledMeIt's not a theory. Soul of Cinder is everyone who ever linked the fire. Given that many *many* cycles occur between 1 and 3, it's basically Ermac at this point. Hundreds of souls that defended their age from the dark.
Radagon dodging the grab in the second round, just to still get finished with the grab a couple seconds later. Priceless. Soul of Cinder showed the commitment of a Dark Souls PVP Vet.
3:44 - 4:00 THIS sequence was EPIC, the music buildup, Radagon sent SoC flying, gets back up effortlessly, sees Radagon in the horizon about to raise his hammer and THE RUNE ARC appearing at the same time and unleash Holy Destruction, the music intensifies and SoC charges in and TANKS it then unleashes his fury making Radagon KNEEL
The last fight really was something else. The grab out of the dodge at 6:36 The synchronized Ultimates at 6:46 so that the final wave comes out right as the SoC is vulnerable The teleport away from the lightning spike The flurry of magic at 7:16 Beautiful
That's going to be something good Would love to see more crossovers like midir vs placidusax or gael vs Godfrey or pontiff vs Margit or sister Friede vs malenia
Midir vs Placidusax is such a brilliant combo, two massive dragons duking it out with such a brilliant display of colors too, yellow and purple is such an underappreciated color contrast
To be frank, if you pitted Malenia against Friede or Lady Maria, Malenia would likely win simply because she lacks the weaknesses that the other 2 have that keeps them on even grounds with the player: consistent hitstun and no poise. And of course Waterfowl exists. In fact, a lot of Elden Ring bosses would probably win out in the end due to how aggressive they tend to be with little to no downtime. It would be like if you pit Isshin against Artorias. The latter would not be able to keep up.
@@leithaziz2716 facts, but is not only that, malenia can beat every boss in every soul games simply because she can heal with every hit she does, lore wise she can be beaten gameplay wise she just has an unfair advantage
Canonically, I definitely think the Soul of Cinder is stronger. Radagon may be a god, but the Soul of Cinder is MANY. Gwyn, the Chosen Undead, Aldrich, Yhorm, the Abyss Watchers, and countless others that aren't mentioned. All reincarnated as one single deific being.
@@Cain_The_Hoardergod sure it’s just Gwyn, but every lord who links the flame in Dark Souls is equal in strength to that of an Elden lord, or at the very least a demigod…and the soul of cinder has the strength and abilities of ALL of them.
@@Cain_The_Hoarder The people who wanted to link the fire had to beat those already linked to it (in DS1’s case, at the very least), so the people who’re part of SoC had to be around the same level as Gwyn. They’re not all gods, but they’re just as strong as one.
close to the elden lord? the fuck are you talking about, the first elden lord was placidusax which is the strongest dragon alive in the whole soulsborne series, next is godfrey who destroyed the fire giants and everyone else that marika ordered him, next is radagon who is marika, meaning he has godlike abilities and when he dies he becames the sword of the elden beast, who is the strongest in the entire franchise. the only demigod that they can beat is godrick, no one else @@austinwilson7373
I'm honestly shocked that Soul can hold his own against Radagon, especially while in phase 1. Radagon is though aggressive primary damage comes from AoE attacks, while Soul can close the distant and out tank and match Radagon in damage. P.S: I don’t consider Elden Beast a phase two to Radagon, i consider them a separate boss so it makes since why they weren't in the video.
Yes, technically Elden Beast is a separate entity. Radagon becomes the sacred relic sword in that fight. It's more of a combined bossfight than a phase 2 (like Emma and Isshin Ashina in Sekiro, two separate bosses tied together)
@HM4Hill I can't say for sure but one thing that has always stood out to me is the existence of Ring of Light /Discus of Light incantation...coincidence?? I don't think so...and it makes thematic sense for an order of gold, good and light transforms into the ideology behind Way of White in DS1? Food for thought indeed!
@@venomark7883 unfortunately those are DS1 characters who exist on a different engine. Elden Ring used the DS3 engine. So bringing Ornstein and Smough will be extremely difficult because you would have to create them from scratch as opposed to shipping a DS3 character over to Elden Ring. I mean you can ship DS1 characters over to Elden Ring if you wanted but because the DS1 engine is much slower, which is why bosses are more fast paced in DS3/ER, so the DS1 bosses wouldn’t stand a chance
I would assume that SoC would win this encounter from a lore standpoint, just because it uses fire damage and most of elden ring seems to be allergic to that.
I wonder where SoC’s holy resistances come from. Maybe holy is just “reskinned” dark and the game reads his defense against dark damage as against holy? Also ER’s visual effects look incredible on SoC and the fight overall looks spectacular
That's probably how the mod author wrote it since it's easy that way. His dark resist isn't even high so that shouldn't have made a big difference here.
I think it's neither holy nor dark, it's just a 4th damage type as far as the engine is concerned, and then the developers can name that however they like and assign it to whichever attacks they like.
Soul of Cinder is fire. Not dark. It makes sense that holy and fire don't do much to counter each other. Bright. Enveloping. Soul of Cinders doesn't really have a weakness. Unless we count water? Anyone tried drowning him with a tidal wave? Probably just find a way to evaporate it.
@@peezieforestem5078 the problem here is that this would register the damage as physical. Dark Souls 3 introduced light for the first time via the Winged Knights, but since there was no Holy damage category like Elden Ring, Divine Pillars of Light did physical damage, lmao… then in the Dreg Heap DLC area those light beams the Angels fired at you was put under Magic damage because - again - Light/Holy/Sacred don’t exist in Dark Souls.
Soul of cinders is actually good with working grabs, in the older videos of dark souls 3 boss vs boss battles before 2021 I think, soul of cinder had it rough.
Soul of Cinder: "We the champions linked the flame for the sake of Lord Gwyn's dream, only to see it being surpassed by a bisexual snail?" Radagon: "Bonks hammer"
I love this so much for a few reasons. For me the Soul of Cinder always felt like the Ultimate Player. In every souls game, he is what I aspire to be. So, to see him, fighting Radagon and showing that he indeed could be the next Elden Lord. It makes me happy to see him kicking ass!
If more Dark Souls bosses found their way into Elden Ring through mods, I hope people don't neglect some Dark Souls 2 bosses. Bosses like Burnt Ivory King, Sir Alonne, Fume Knight, and Velstadt would be great additions. (Velstadt specifically, giving that man fits perfectly into Elden Ring aesthetic) I know chances of this happening are low, giving people would be more focused on DS3 bosses, but a man can dream...
Would love to see dark souls 2 bosses in the game. I due wonder how hard they would be given even the speed of stuff in dks3, so I suppose you could speed them up and fix their hitboxes
Very cool very epic fight! I love how they're left to their own actions, yet it comes out being so incredibly cinematic.. I don't think the word epic really does this fight justice. Great job.
the last fight truly was what it would be like to watch two Gods fighting with pure honor and respect it was movie ready if fully recorded with multiple angles at once showing how deep the cinematic scenes could get it would be one of the best fight scenes in all of from soft EVER if it isnt already.
Do you understand what a show is? What real comparison are we talking about? It's just impossible to compare the bosses of games from 6 years ago. Different damage rates in games, and bosses that will work in their native environment. For example, SoC DS3 from two phases has about 10 thousand HP, while only Radagon in the first one has about 13 .. And there is also Elden Beas (about 22k hp). Do not do nonsense guys, disputes here are a useless and stupid undertaking.
This is how patch 1.10 was born. Soc was very agitated by the previous op passive poise rule. So he decided to invade radagon then changed the rule of the elden ring's universe
Loved this... As for who is "cononically" stronger? Tbh it's impossible to tell since it's hard to compare the two universes even with our outside perspective. But assuming they are working on a similar sort of scale? I'd say soul of Cinder is Stronger than Radagon is by himself. Cinder is an amalgam of countless champions from across the ages who had the strength of will and might to link the fire, an act that is no easy feat. And even then, if all else fails, it can still summon up the remnants of the power of Gwyn. Radagon is powerful, a champion of the Golden Order and now, one with Marika. But he can still fall to one Tarnished champion, and while the Tarnished are on the whole likely stronger than the main character's of dark souls he's fighting all of their strongest united together in one will. Just my thoughts.
I would think that the Tarnished and Ashen One are around the same level if it was the same scale. Even though the Ashen One hasn’t slayed any “gods”, I think that Gael, Soul of Cinder, and Midir are some of the most powerful bosses. Especially since Gael basically ate all of the Dark Souls. But I also think that the Soul of Cinder is more powerful than Radagon.
@@BairdOThello Oh I don't disagree on that point. The beings slain by the Ashen One are no joke. It's just that Elden Ring kinda apes the "power" factor and dials everything up to 11. Elden Ring just *feels* more raw and powerful in general, but that's probably just a result of it being newer.
@@LuM4rex I wouldn’t say that the Nameless King is a full on god, but he must be pretty close since he may have been called the god of war at one point. But I may be mistaken, and maybe he is a god. The Soul of Cinder is definitely a more “up to discussion” type of thing due to the fact that we don’t really know much about the timeline or exactly how powerful the Soul of Cinder really is. However, I believe that it’s safe to say that the Soul of Cinder is incredibly powerful. I would say from the perspective of lore, the Soul of Cinder is more powerful than the Nameless King, or at least close to being god level if not on god level.
@@ryanlaurie8733 I agree, Elden Ring does feel more flashy and powerful, but I also think that is mostly because of the refined system and mechanics. Not everything in the game is designed to be exactly like the lore, so we still don’t have much of an actual idea.
Radagon - I am the hand of the Greater Will, an Outer God the driving force of this land. Soul of Cinder - Dude Im the manifestation of thousands of champions each stronger than the last and canonically the strongest god from Dark souls in his hey day.
Man in that last fight radagom was so close to death. He just standing there panting, beaten, burned and brused just thinking "who the hell was that guy?"
Technically SoC wins on an actual fight, he's an amalgamation of every LoC (including every single player in DS I who chose to link the fire, so basically thousands of players), which is basically a super tarnished. And if a random tarnished can beat Radagon, I don't think Radagon is going to do much against thousands of those in a single person.
Y’know, this is actually why I like the Soul of Cinder more than Radagon of the Golden Order. He’s not in the sense of being a total pain in the dick to fight & he’s a combination of every build imaginable, a fight that’s at least manageable instead of purely frustrating.
@@BlacklistedSoupnaw man, most of the guys difficulty comes from attacking off screen via teleports and aoe attacks. If good game design is meant to be jerking the camera and having vague hit boxes since the aoes are all different boxes from the attacks that activate them. Than dks2 bosses are about on par from a design standpoint.
@@BlacklistedSoup I mainly disagree because of two things. 1. After swinging his hammer, Radagon has a chance to follow up with a ranged attack and throws out a bunch of light arrows. He does this so fast to the point that you have to instinctively dodge after the first hammer swing. But if you do this, then there's a chance Radagon will instead followup with another hammer swing. 2. Radagon's teleporting is pretty obnoxious. Since he can do it in neutral, you'll swing your weapon and he will usually teleport back in the middle of your attack and hit you. Other times he will do a followup attack after the teleport and be be readying for an attack. The followup comes out so fast that once again you pretty much have to guess, but if you guess wrong you end up rolling into the next attack. We've seen the Teleporting gimmick handled in a much better way: the Twin Princes in Dark Souls 3. VG Matthew goes more in-depth about Radagon's problem in his ER boss critique video.
@@BlacklistedSoup He isn't very hard for me now after RL1, it takes maybe a minute on that and 30 seconds if I actually use a normally leveled character. But I still think he's obnoxious and outclassed by other fights within ER, let alone DS3.
I want to say that SoC is also quite an aggressive boss, especially in curved sword mode. He is so aggressive that in my SL1 race I just ran from him until he switches weapons. It was extremely difficult to figure out how to deal with this shit.
I think the reason SoC lost the third matchup is due in some part to spamming his lightning attacks. Assuming the damage types for SoC’a attacks and resistances have been matched from his original game then he has an advantage against Radagon due to his primary damage type being Fire, which Radagon is weak to. However in the third matchup SoC kept using his lightning attacks which use holy damage, which Radagon is highly resistant to. Now if we’re going off lore scaling Radagon is likely stronger since he houses a somewhat complete Elden Ring in his body. Meanwhile the SoC is an expression of the souls which were sacrificed to keep the first flame going, and after thousands if not millions of cycles, the original power of the first flame has nearly completely faded, likely being the weakest flame within the soul of the boss. Since the Elden Beast is just the physical form of the Ring we can assume that gives him some sort of advantage when it comes to power scaling due to it being an outer god at or near the height of its power.
If you want to analize the fight, it’s just unfair simply because they gave SoC too much health, even considering he has a full second fase, other than damage and resistance. If you analize it lore wise, it’s even more unfair, because Radagon would easly obliterate SoC. This is just a “show”
@@SynX-. my comment is a bit late now, but you really think that's unfair ? SoC originally has the total of 10,766 hp combined two phases of him, and Radagon alone has 13,339 hp ( Both cases are inn NG). Not to say ER bosses are way more aggresive compared to most of DS bosses and the damage system works completely different (Example: The absorptions of Radagon are all higher compared to SoC). So if you want to enjoy cross-universes boss fights, just accept the scaling since it is the only way to make these fights possible
I mean imma be honest with you guys, but when I first climbed those steps in dark souls 3 and saw the dark sigil rising in the sky as I climbed those stairs and as I walked into SOC’s arena and just saw him… sitting there in a field of flowers I was taken aback… and the moment he pulled his sword out of the bonfire literally wielding a coiled sword I almost squealed with delight! And it was in my opinion one of if not the best boss fight fromsoftware has ever made maybe besides Gael… but when I got to the final boss of elden ring my first thoughts were “seriously? We’re fighting in a tree? Against some half broken red head who’s also a chick?… cool?” And then when elden beast showed up my first thoughts weren’t filled with awe and wonder like SOC’s second phase no my first thought was “man it literally is just a giant space slug with a peen for a head” and let’s just say after all of that running around to kill it I was very sorely disappointed. Not bad game though! I LOVE elden ring but dark souls 3 will always be infinitely better in my opinion
@@ghoulsome9483 I completely agree! And I think DS3 had the most cinematic fights as well. You know, the type of fights that are super good and leave you on the edge of your seat type of fights
I mean how you are wording it makes it seem you are bias as hell All major bosses from three to ring are pretty cinematic. "Infinitely better" hyperbole. Get off the pp
makes sense, Soul of Cinder is the manifestation of the chosen undead, bearer of the curse and ashen one.. so almost winning with original scaling makes sense
But isn't Radagon powered by an outer god, sadly Radagon wasn't given the luxury of his second phase, elden beast, still a nice vid tho. (Regardless if he's a sword that's still his second phase and he's still part of the fight)
@@rclaws3230 bro he has a second phase thats his full form its not like he just respawns he actually try's in the second stage, idk how you think that makes him less powerful
Poeple claiming SoC is miles stronger than radagon(gameplay wise I mean) when Radagon had only one healthbars while SoC had 2 and despite that he still managed to almost killed him everytime(he even killed him on the last fight). That's pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. If Elden Beast was actually there, SoC would have just got shitted on.
I'll say more, the channel author tripled Soul of Cinder's total hp (33k) and doubled Radagon's hp (26k), and even under those conditions, in each round Radagon did more damage to the opponent than he took on himself. What's shittiest is that the third round indicates that the SoC's scaling has changed, even though his actual hp is still the same
Not exactly a fair fight sense radagon has to basically fight him twice in a row. Radagon technically has a phase 2 when he starts teleporting but he does regain his entire damn ho var unlike soul of cinder who basically gets a reset. Man is basically fight two bosses
Soul of Cinder: *Enters Phase Two*
Radagon: "Man, I wish I had that."
*turns into a sword
@@e.v4892funnist shit i have ever seen
Le Tarnish: let them cook
If you count elden beast
@@Danuke708who?
Soul of Cinder finishing the fight with command grabs is a recipe of an epic finisher
and how he staggers Radagon with his 2nd phase
Not just any command grab, it's literally God finger from God Gundam.
Thx for spoiling the end
@@Phantom_Zer0bruh what it's the same grab that gwyn had
Soul of Cinder really grabbed Radagon's nuts for this
SoC is supposed to be formed from generations of the strongest champions who kindled the first flame, including Gwyn himself and thousands of main characters with broken ass builds.
But we know Radagon, mfer tends to get trigger happy with than damn hammer.
I've seen radagons nearly full constant teleporting wrath,he can go ape shit on nearly any from soft bass but very very rarely, tho SoC has one of the highest raw power and adrenaline,radagon isore tanks tho
Radagon is a god, a decayed dead-ish one but still as much a god as marika was (they are somehow the same person)
@@zeehero7280 yep. Also what a beast move to just shove Marika aside, take control and try to make things right mending the elden ring. He might be a puppet of the greater will, but that man got principles to uphold.
SoC would beat Radagon any day though. You mentioned it literally being every lord of cinder combined. Gwyn alone would beat Radagon. No character ever did anything even remotely as legendary as he did. Godfrey led a war against giants then was exiled and Marika let her husband do the bidding just to cast him aside and with Radagon (who is equal power with her) being on even scaling grounds with SoC, he wasn’t even able to beat SoC who wouldn’t even be canonically as powerful as Gwyn because it wouldn’t have included him in his prime but rather AFTER. Gwyn on the other hand didn’t face giants like Godfrey or exile his spouse like Marika, nope. Instead, Gwyn faced DRAGONS, destroyed them, created a whole new age, prolonged the fire, proceeded to pass down the torch (to chosen undead) and create a legacy which countless other Lords would follow, and continued to fight against the resistance of the all powerful age of dark that included Manus (who literally corrupted one of the most canonically powerful characters in the whole series).
@@WhoDaF0ok1sThatGuy another power scaler defending their favorite characters, no one gives a shit and stop trying to compare characters from entirely different games with utterly different lore that will never interact in any circumstance.
5:00 that kick was personal
I could not stop laughing my ass off at the pure disrespect that kick had behind it
😂
"I'm gonna crease your jays radagon"
Then radagon proceeds to grab soul of cinder, and crushes his balls.
Talk about kicking someone when they're down. 😂
No shame for the fact I was rooting for the Soul of Cinder. He’s not just a final boss. He’s the summation of All of our combined journeys through the lands of Dark souls. He’s the spirit of every single one of us that bled and carved our way through Drangleic and Lordran. He is the soul of every one of us. chosen, cursed, and ashen.
That was one of the best Dark Souls moments. When you meet your old self at the end of the third part. Insane.
👏👏👏😢
Along with every being to ever link the flame
Also Ratigan is a demi God, the soul of cinder is the amalgamation of countless gods champions and ash
“Whenever there is a one, it is ashen”
- Timmy “Ashen” One
Soul of Cinder: This isn't even my final form
Elden Beast: Hold my Radagon sword
Radagon: Please don't turn me into a sword
At that point, you’re not fighting Radagon anymore, so i don’t think it would count.
I Did Watch a couple of vids where EB Was counted as Radagon's second phase.
Unsurpsusingly, he's an Absolute *menace* in Those, most bosses don't stand a chance
@@inserisciunnomewell, elden beast is mediocre designed for a player. Imagine a boss who cant even run
@@yuridelacruz2480true if I remember right the Elden Beast is the avatar of the Greater will sent to the lands between long ago
Radagon: No man can defeat a God...
SOC: We are no mere man
**SoC turns back to see the Ashen one, who turns back to see the Bearer of the Curse, who turns back to see the Chosen Undead, who turns back to see the Slayer of Demons**
Everyone: Bitch, its all we ever do!
@@vynthiswechseln3868also the rage quits
Tis but a scratch to our damn not stopping nature
@@vynthiswechseln3868don’t forget every single lord of cinder since Gwyn
SOC: We are no mere MLG
@@vynthiswechseln3868 in my opinion the soul of cinder is far beyond high complex multiverse level
The utter infinitely paradoxical madness of infinite timelines and infinite possibilities infinite universe infinite realities infinite battles that converge into a infinitely infinite convergence that never ends
Wouldn't that make soul of cinder possibly high complex hyperversal minimum?
The unbelievable power of the soul of cinder simply doesn't ever stop increasing if you think about it the same way I do
I don't know why but In the phase transition. The Soul of cinder bringing Radagon to his knees by simply tapping into Gwyn's soul seems so cool to me
It was because he exploded
Right it's Like throughout all this time all the eons and ages we played these games
gwyn the lord of sunlight still lives inside the soul of cinder gwyn comes back for just a second to show radagon the true power of a God
@@RhynnMedia I think it shows the true power of humanity an opposite of what Radagon represents
LoC: you have ruled for long enough, it's time for this realm to finally receive it's true master...
@@merrymerry770You know That the Dark Soul is representing Humanity? Gwynn is the opposite of humanity
In 7:14 it looked like Radagon caught that Sunlight Spear before chucking it back to SoC, as if to say: "THIS is a spear of light"
The amount of cinematic moments in this fight is insane
bro thinks hes sekiro
The cool thing is that it looks like SoC caught the counter and threw it on the ground to say “Enough tennis.”
SoC : Throws a Sunlight Spear
Radagon: Throws it Back
"LIGHTNING REVERSAL!"
True fromsoftware experience
"Throws it back" you say 😏
Bro learned that from isshin
When did Radagon throw it back 🧐🧐 asking for friend
NAHHHH A WEEK AGO I SAID "I WISH SOMEONE COULD MAKE ELDEN RING BOSSES FIGHT DARK SOULS BOSSES"
😂
The Prophet
You mean being less interesting fights ? Or being able to roll spam their attacks into oblivion without learning the pattern ?
@@lahunica2726 I'm sorry but dark souls 3 is miles better than elden ring in terms of level design, atmosphere, world building, and bosses.
I love both games but dark souls 3 is objectively better
@@ThefantasticMrSUSno
unfortunately for radagon, soul of cinder deals fire damage
They just gave SoC too much health, in the base game SoC first + second phase health isn’t enough to reach Radagon base health
@@SynX-.Elden Ring boss hp is over bloated anyhow
@@CuriosityMisledMe More like the DS3 bosses are made of paper lol. They die so fast
@@henrryeaeaea When you hit a boss and don’t even see the yellow drain effect from their health bar, you know they have too much.
And that’s what I liked about Souls bosses, they’re difficult to learn the foundations of, but once you do they don’t overstay their welcome. For ER bosses you could know their mechanics inside out and you’ll still be there hitting them for 10+ minutes.
@@CuriosityMisledMe Sorry but if the bosses takes you really that long you are doing something wrong, the ER bosses in average don't last more than 4 minutes even without OP setups and thats already the average duration of other bosses in the series.
My problem is how base game DS3 just feels too easy, with bosses lacking in enough ways to punish the player and the life-damage balance don't making-up for it. And as a Vet that made a underwhelming experience until the NK and the DLCs, because I really don't like effortlessly fight and pretend that I'm having trouble with bosses that can die after look at them very hard lol
I love how you guys made their grab attacks actually work on each other
4:13 bro took a swig of Estus in his face LMAOO
Soul of Cinder is such a cool boss.
Takes the idea of a boss with a mock-player moveset, and executes it exquisitely!
Sorta reminds me of ace combat 7 😭
The battle between a being that seek to be perfect against the perfect amalgamation of renowned warriors
The flame that fuels the life in the world vs the embodiment of order
I wonder how long it would take to make Soulsborne bosses be available in the same arena all at once. Crazy shit like Orphan V Gael V Artorias V Malenia or a dragon battle. Hell, imagine a wolf team with Sif and the red wolf of Radagon
Can any PC would able to Simulate whole Dark soul 3 bosses vs Elden Ring's Bosses like a War between them
Sif better
Malenia would win so let’s remove her from the equation. Also keep Maliketh out of it cuz he is built different. Can add Mogh
I'd like Dark Souls 1 / 3 + Bloodborne + Elden Ring. Fuck Dark Souls 2. @@golik133
@@themrmustazzfume knight?
2:00 was one of the best moments, Radagon and Soul of Cinder both getting down
Ye it looked so cool when they looked at each other while getting up.
That was anime af.
Only because of plinplinplon
Radagon: "U gonna give up?"
Soul of Cinder: "Nah, I'm just getting started."
I eat babies
I loved the part at 2:06, how they both stagger at the same time, shows how powerful they are but can't help but bow to each other's strength.
Ur funny radagon is weaker in lore lmao. SoC is the incarnation of every lord of cinder. Which were men capable of felling gods and rekindling the first flame.
@@camarobro1897 I know man unfortunately I was speaking about in game strength, I know Soul of Cinder is the manifestation of all the previous champions of the Flame and lord Gwyn himself, which can make Radagon look like a joke by itself, Dark Souls is my favorite game by the way.
@@camarobro1897 In lorewise? No he ain’t. Just because SOC reborn as a variation, doesn’t make him an embodiment of a god. Also, this comment is ABOUT the gameplay, it has nothing to do with lores 🤦♂️
@user-ki2ez3vp1p lmao who are you? Also he is definitely the embodiment of a god idk what you've been smoking but it must be good.
For real that shit was so epic.
3:43 is literally a cinematic masterpiece alone
For anyone who's curious, Radagon has more hp in one health bar than SoC has in both
I’m proud for SoC for holding out
Yea, in the base game, and SoC because of that would have no chance but yeah why not giving him duble of the base health and duble of the damage… like wtf??? Even lore wise he would get obliterated
In the first round, Radagon did about 29k damage (20.5k against phase one and 8.5k against phase two), while he died after taking about 26.5k damage. So you're lying.
You can search up the HP on the wikis, and if the wiki stats are valid then (Assuming NG HP):
SoC Phase 1 (6,557) + Phase 2 (4,209) = 10,766
Radagon = 13,339
@@Xgenstudioz777no actually if you look on the wiki SOC has 6k in phase one and 4k in phase two
Soul of Cinder reminded me how Dark Souls 3 is the ultimate grand finale of the Souls series. It's perfect in every way
SoC may be easy compared to some of the other endgame bosses, but this is almost entirely because of his low stats. Fighting him on my SL1 character taught me to respect his moveset - it is a lot more complex than pretty much any other boss in the game, and he can still twoshot you at SL1 so his lower damage isn't a big downside. Definitely one of my favorite fights.
The Soul of Cinder being your character from Dark Souls 1 is my favourite Souls theory.
@@CuriosityMisledMeIt's not a theory. Soul of Cinder is everyone who ever linked the fire. Given that many *many* cycles occur between 1 and 3, it's basically Ermac at this point. Hundreds of souls that defended their age from the dark.
depends witch build you run, if you go with a big as shield u will find him pretty easy even in SL1@@perrytran9504
@@Ty6260 The theory being that others haven’t taken the place of our Dark Souls character and it’s still the same one.
Radagon dodging the grab in the second round, just to still get finished with the grab a couple seconds later. Priceless. Soul of Cinder showed the commitment of a Dark Souls PVP Vet.
3:44 - 4:00 THIS sequence was EPIC, the music buildup, Radagon sent SoC flying, gets back up effortlessly, sees Radagon in the horizon about to raise his hammer and THE RUNE ARC appearing at the same time and unleash Holy Destruction, the music intensifies and SoC charges in and TANKS it then unleashes his fury making Radagon KNEEL
Worts/best moment to put the "check the description" message.
Least cinematic Boss vs Boss fight
the backstep from SoC at 2:44 looked really clean
1 second later, Soc is about to jump Radagon.
The last fight really was something else.
The grab out of the dodge at 6:36
The synchronized Ultimates at 6:46 so that the final wave comes out right as the SoC is vulnerable
The teleport away from the lightning spike
The flurry of magic at 7:16
Beautiful
the best for last ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I eat babies
What is the name of the theme at 6:46?
@@sourlemon1018 Slave Knight Gael Ost
@@Sure22cruxthanks!
That's going to be something good
Would love to see more crossovers like midir vs placidusax or gael vs Godfrey or pontiff vs Margit or sister Friede vs malenia
I wanna see Manus drop in and wreck everybody
@@ItsYaBoiVartorias
Midir vs Placidusax is such a brilliant combo, two massive dragons duking it out with such a brilliant display of colors too, yellow and purple is such an underappreciated color contrast
To be frank, if you pitted Malenia against Friede or Lady Maria, Malenia would likely win simply because she lacks the weaknesses that the other 2 have that keeps them on even grounds with the player: consistent hitstun and no poise. And of course Waterfowl exists.
In fact, a lot of Elden Ring bosses would probably win out in the end due to how aggressive they tend to be with little to no downtime. It would be like if you pit Isshin against Artorias. The latter would not be able to keep up.
@@leithaziz2716 facts, but is not only that, malenia can beat every boss in every soul games simply because she can heal with every hit she does, lore wise she can be beaten gameplay wise she just has an unfair advantage
Canonically, I definitely think the Soul of Cinder is stronger. Radagon may be a god, but the Soul of Cinder is MANY. Gwyn, the Chosen Undead, Aldrich, Yhorm, the Abyss Watchers, and countless others that aren't mentioned. All reincarnated as one single deific being.
lore wise? no hes not
and none of the characters that you said are a god expect gwyn
@@Cain_The_Hoardergod sure it’s just Gwyn, but every lord who links the flame in Dark Souls is equal in strength to that of an Elden lord, or at the very least a demigod…and the soul of cinder has the strength and abilities of ALL of them.
@@Cain_The_Hoarder The people who wanted to link the fire had to beat those already linked to it (in DS1’s case, at the very least), so the people who’re part of SoC had to be around the same level as Gwyn. They’re not all gods, but they’re just as strong as one.
close to the elden lord? the fuck are you talking about, the first elden lord was placidusax which is the strongest dragon alive in the whole soulsborne series, next is godfrey who destroyed the fire giants and everyone else that marika ordered him, next is radagon who is marika, meaning he has godlike abilities and when he dies he becames the sword of the elden beast, who is the strongest in the entire franchise. the only demigod that they can beat is godrick, no one else @@austinwilson7373
From 6:40 to 7:05 is perfection. The scene transition, SoC shaking off the first 2 hits and dashing in. Even the lightning bolt to the music. Amazing.
1:16
HE GRABBED HIS BALLS
TWIST IT!
2:25
So now I know that this duo is gay
Soul of cinder: AHHHHHH! IT HURTS! MY I DONT WANT TO SAY IT
I'm honestly shocked that Soul can hold his own against Radagon, especially while in phase 1. Radagon is though aggressive primary damage comes from AoE attacks, while Soul can close the distant and out tank and match Radagon in damage.
P.S: I don’t consider Elden Beast a phase two to Radagon, i consider them a separate boss so it makes since why they weren't in the video.
Soul of Cinder could of done better if all his moves were here he was missing his healing move in phase one where he can use the Heal Spell
Yes, technically Elden Beast is a separate entity. Radagon becomes the sacred relic sword in that fight. It's more of a combined bossfight than a phase 2 (like Emma and Isshin Ashina in Sekiro, two separate bosses tied together)
@@GrandLynx-kp2zi Soul of Cinder would do better if he didn't just use magic. Hell, he was dominating with the straight sword.
@@GrandLynx-kp2zi but then you have to take into account the SOC higher damage and poise damage buff, along with them barring Radagon's second phase.
His magic gave Radagon an advantage since it was trash.
The Age of the Elden Lord is over... the time of the Dark Soul has come!
@HM4Hill I can't say for sure but one thing that has always stood out to me is the existence of Ring of Light /Discus of Light incantation...coincidence?? I don't think so...and it makes thematic sense for an order of gold, good and light transforms into the ideology behind Way of White in DS1? Food for thought indeed!
@@HM4Hillthat’s a fan theory that gets disproven the moment you take time to look at Elden Rings lore
@@HM4Hill They were confirmed to not be connected tho
Radigans health was doubled and LoC had his trippled for the fight. Radigan would have one if the handicap wasn't introduced.
@@DetectivePlays0why is patches there then
3:41 Getting pushed away to charge right back at Radagon, full power attack was badass.
_Round 1 was like_
Radagon: You cant defeat me, I’m a God
*Soul of Cinder: Hold my 3 note masterpiece phase*
Soul of cinder is by far my favorite fromsoft boss. What an icon
2:45 that dodge was amazing
You just not gonna mention 3:10?
@@ChuckFinelyForeverit isn't as perfectly timed as the 2:45 one
He didn’t dodge 1:30 too well lol. Got slapped to his knees 😂😂
This was actually a really cool fight, would love to see more crossover boss vs boss videos in the future
Smough and Ornstein vs Godskin Duo
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, I want to see these 2 battle it out to death💀🤣
@@venomark7883 unfortunately those are DS1 characters who exist on a different engine. Elden Ring used the DS3 engine. So bringing Ornstein and Smough will be extremely difficult because you would have to create them from scratch as opposed to shipping a DS3 character over to Elden Ring. I mean you can ship DS1 characters over to Elden Ring if you wanted but because the DS1 engine is much slower, which is why bosses are more fast paced in DS3/ER, so the DS1 bosses wouldn’t stand a chance
The fact you let grab attacks affect them both is so freaking cool!
2:07 that moment of mutual stagger is perfect.
Very polite of SoC to never beam Radagon to death.
Also I am realising how many knock ups that don't work on Radagon SoC has.
I still can't get over how good the soul of cinder looks with elden rings graphics
This... this is actually amazingly well done. Im extremely proud of the mod developers
I would assume that SoC would win this encounter from a lore standpoint, just because it uses fire damage and most of elden ring seems to be allergic to that.
The piano synching with SOC's phase 2 sword thrust in the first fight was awesome
7:14
They just straight up traded lightning /light bolts with each other 🤣
I wonder where SoC’s holy resistances come from. Maybe holy is just “reskinned” dark and the game reads his defense against dark damage as against holy? Also ER’s visual effects look incredible on SoC and the fight overall looks spectacular
That's probably how the mod author wrote it since it's easy that way. His dark resist isn't even high so that shouldn't have made a big difference here.
If the first flame can turn a god into a husk, it probably wards off divinity pretty well.
I think it's neither holy nor dark, it's just a 4th damage type as far as the engine is concerned, and then the developers can name that however they like and assign it to whichever attacks they like.
Soul of Cinder is fire. Not dark. It makes sense that holy and fire don't do much to counter each other. Bright. Enveloping. Soul of Cinders doesn't really have a weakness.
Unless we count water? Anyone tried drowning him with a tidal wave? Probably just find a way to evaporate it.
@@peezieforestem5078 the problem here is that this would register the damage as physical. Dark Souls 3 introduced light for the first time via the Winged Knights, but since there was no Holy damage category like Elden Ring, Divine Pillars of Light did physical damage, lmao… then in the Dreg Heap DLC area those light beams the Angels fired at you was put under Magic damage because - again - Light/Holy/Sacred don’t exist in Dark Souls.
Soul of cinders is actually good with working grabs, in the older videos of dark souls 3 boss vs boss battles before 2021 I think, soul of cinder had it rough.
and radagons grab has kinda devolved to "punch his dick"
Yeah and if it weren't for that grab move in ds3 boss fights, he would have won many of his fights.
Seeing soul of cinder in a higher quality brings me much joy
Soul of Cinder: "We the champions linked the flame for the sake of Lord Gwyn's dream, only to see it being surpassed by a bisexual snail?"
Radagon: "Bonks hammer"
I love this so much for a few reasons. For me the Soul of Cinder always felt like the Ultimate Player. In every souls game, he is what I aspire to be. So, to see him, fighting Radagon and showing that he indeed could be the next Elden Lord. It makes me happy to see him kicking ass!
Thank you for doing these kind of videos! I know doing something like this has to take a lot of work.
If more Dark Souls bosses found their way into Elden Ring through mods, I hope people don't neglect some Dark Souls 2 bosses.
Bosses like Burnt Ivory King, Sir Alonne, Fume Knight, and Velstadt would be great additions. (Velstadt specifically, giving that man fits perfectly into Elden Ring aesthetic)
I know chances of this happening are low, giving people would be more focused on DS3 bosses, but a man can dream...
I think that's unlikely to happen, since dark souls 2 is built with a different game engine sadly
RIP Burnt Ivory King
A reflective floor would be mandatory if anyone plans to import Sir Alonne.
@@lucasestevaodeoliveira7190 Damn, I forgot about that.
Would love to see dark souls 2 bosses in the game. I due wonder how hard they would be given even the speed of stuff in dks3, so I suppose you could speed them up and fix their hitboxes
Soul of Cinder : plin plin plon
Radagon : Da fuck is that sound ?
Gwyn : second phase, son
SoC's Gwyn juggle move followed by Radagon's triple slam has gotta be one of the coolest things I've seen in a while
I love how Souls of Cinder whiped out lighting spear right after killing Radagon. It's almost like he's mocking him 5:22
2:08 the double stagger was dope.
3:47
Radagon summoning a Rune Arc before doing his triple attack was EPIC AS FUCK! THE TIMING! THE MUSIC!
Soul of Cinder second phase: make damage, and restore all of the health
Radagon second phase: sword
Soul of Cinder: It took my second phase but I was able to defeat Radagon of the Golden Order. Wait, what's that coming out of the ground?
the sequence starting from 6:44 to 7:25 felt like a work of art
its nice when the bosses evenly match eachother
SoC doesn't look out of place in this arena, almost as if we're back to Lordran even.
This was sick!! Thank you for this Garden, I love your channel so much
Cinder: bitch i was a dark souls protagonist I DONT FEAR DEATH
I was waiting and searching for crossover videos like this one almost since elden rings release. Thank you!!
Ashen One: Here 🍿
Tarnished: Oh yes here too 🍗
Here i am too 🍷
Bro you are a gem in this community. Always making the mods and incredible content.
I abslutelly LOVE how Soul of Cinder efects are in Elden Ring, they look beyond perfection and fits very well with the game (i mean, in grafics)
Very cool very epic fight! I love how they're left to their own actions, yet it comes out being so incredibly cinematic.. I don't think the word epic really does this fight justice.
Great job.
the last fight truly was what it would be like to watch two Gods fighting with pure honor and respect it was movie ready if fully recorded with multiple angles at once showing how deep the cinematic scenes could get it would be one of the best fight scenes in all of from soft EVER if it isnt already.
King of delayed attacks vs Radagon
Mf doesn't know Morgott exists literally holding his sword up midcombo, waiting to input read and cancelling if nothing happens
Soul of cinder is lucky he didn’t had to deal with Elden beast
A few swipes would've put SOC outta comission
In lore SoC would wipe the floor with that shitty ass beast lmao.
He could barely handle Radagon who has one health bar and stagger
@@ThePsuedo dude put him in the second stage first and he would still win
Do you understand what a show is? What real comparison are we talking about? It's just impossible to compare the bosses of games from 6 years ago. Different damage rates in games, and bosses that will work in their native environment. For example, SoC DS3 from two phases has about 10 thousand HP, while only Radagon in the first one has about 13 .. And there is also Elden Beas (about 22k hp). Do not do nonsense guys, disputes here are a useless and stupid undertaking.
That last round was awesome, how they were slugging lightning back and forth 🙌
Radagon: i am harder!
Soul of cinder: i am better
Absolutely 100% agree, soul of cinder is a much better boss in general
SoC: "I'ma use that big ass tree as kindling, k?"
Radagon: "Bro no. F*ck off."
SoC: "..."
Radagon: "..."
This is how patch 1.10 was born. Soc was very agitated by the previous op passive poise rule. So he decided to invade radagon then changed the rule of the elden ring's universe
Soul of cinder's "original scaling" isn't even his real original scaling.... he's buffed tf out of, he barely has 10k hp in ds3...
Loved this...
As for who is "cononically" stronger?
Tbh it's impossible to tell since it's hard to compare the two universes even with our outside perspective.
But assuming they are working on a similar sort of scale?
I'd say soul of Cinder is Stronger than Radagon is by himself. Cinder is an amalgam of countless champions from across the ages who had the strength of will and might to link the fire, an act that is no easy feat. And even then, if all else fails, it can still summon up the remnants of the power of Gwyn. Radagon is powerful, a champion of the Golden Order and now, one with Marika. But he can still fall to one Tarnished champion, and while the Tarnished are on the whole likely stronger than the main character's of dark souls he's fighting all of their strongest united together in one will.
Just my thoughts.
I would think that the Tarnished and Ashen One are around the same level if it was the same scale. Even though the Ashen One hasn’t slayed any “gods”, I think that Gael, Soul of Cinder, and Midir are some of the most powerful bosses. Especially since Gael basically ate all of the Dark Souls.
But I also think that the Soul of Cinder is more powerful than Radagon.
@@BairdOThello Oh I don't disagree on that point. The beings slain by the Ashen One are no joke. It's just that Elden Ring kinda apes the "power" factor and dials everything up to 11. Elden Ring just *feels* more raw and powerful in general, but that's probably just a result of it being newer.
Aren't the Nameless King and Soul of Cinder the gods of this game?
@@BairdOThello s
@@LuM4rex I wouldn’t say that the Nameless King is a full on god, but he must be pretty close since he may have been called the god of war at one point. But I may be mistaken, and maybe he is a god.
The Soul of Cinder is definitely a more “up to discussion” type of thing due to the fact that we don’t really know much about the timeline or exactly how powerful the Soul of Cinder really is. However, I believe that it’s safe to say that the Soul of Cinder is incredibly powerful. I would say from the perspective of lore, the Soul of Cinder is more powerful than the Nameless King, or at least close to being god level if not on god level.
@@ryanlaurie8733 I agree, Elden Ring does feel more flashy and powerful, but I also think that is mostly because of the refined system and mechanics. Not everything in the game is designed to be exactly like the lore, so we still don’t have much of an actual idea.
Radagon - I am the hand of the Greater Will, an Outer God the driving force of this land. Soul of Cinder - Dude Im the manifestation of thousands of champions each stronger than the last and canonically the strongest god from Dark souls in his hey day.
Man in that last fight radagom was so close to death. He just standing there panting, beaten, burned and brused just thinking "who the hell was that guy?"
Now imagine if SoC could repost those stance breaks like a real player
This is infinitely more badass than I ever thought it could be
i would love a randomizer the contains all souls enemy's and bosses for Elden ring
Replacing the many Erdtree Watchdog or repeating bosses like that by other Souls bosses would be amazing!
Technically SoC wins on an actual fight, he's an amalgamation of every LoC (including every single player in DS I who chose to link the fire, so basically thousands of players), which is basically a super tarnished. And if a random tarnished can beat Radagon, I don't think Radagon is going to do much against thousands of those in a single person.
The community you’ve built around these custom battles is so positive and engaging. Love being a part of it!
Y’know, this is actually why I like the Soul of Cinder more than Radagon of the Golden Order. He’s not in the sense of being a total pain in the dick to fight & he’s a combination of every build imaginable, a fight that’s at least manageable instead of purely frustrating.
Radagon’s probably the best fight in the series imho.
@@BlacklistedSoupnaw man, most of the guys difficulty comes from attacking off screen via teleports and aoe attacks. If good game design is meant to be jerking the camera and having vague hit boxes since the aoes are all different boxes from the attacks that activate them. Than dks2 bosses are about on par from a design standpoint.
@@BlacklistedSoup I mainly disagree because of two things.
1. After swinging his hammer, Radagon has a chance to follow up with a ranged attack and throws out a bunch of light arrows. He does this so fast to the point that you have to instinctively dodge after the first hammer swing. But if you do this, then there's a chance Radagon will instead followup with another hammer swing.
2. Radagon's teleporting is pretty obnoxious. Since he can do it in neutral, you'll swing your weapon and he will usually teleport back in the middle of your attack and hit you. Other times he will do a followup attack after the teleport and be be readying for an attack. The followup comes out so fast that once again you pretty much have to guess, but if you guess wrong you end up rolling into the next attack. We've seen the Teleporting gimmick handled in a much better way: the Twin Princes in Dark Souls 3.
VG Matthew goes more in-depth about Radagon's problem in his ER boss critique video.
@@christianlangdon3766 heavily disagree but that's fine.
@@BlacklistedSoup He isn't very hard for me now after RL1, it takes maybe a minute on that and 30 seconds if I actually use a normally leveled character. But I still think he's obnoxious and outclassed by other fights within ER, let alone DS3.
Goes to show how much faster and aggressive eldenring bosses are against darksouls3
I want to say that SoC is also quite an aggressive boss, especially in curved sword mode. He is so aggressive that in my SL1 race I just ran from him until he switches weapons. It was extremely difficult to figure out how to deal with this shit.
Some of the DLC bosses kill that argument, especially Slave Knight Gael
Radagon: "I know you, shrew of ash."
Soul of Cinder: "Then allow me to fully introduce myself, fallen god."
"you have held on strongly radagon but your strenght is no longer against the power of the legendary weapon PLIN PLIN PLON MHUAHAHAHAHA"
How have I never seen this channel? The battle looked stunning.
My boy Cinder got this in the bag
I think the reason SoC lost the third matchup is due in some part to spamming his lightning attacks. Assuming the damage types for SoC’a attacks and resistances have been matched from his original game then he has an advantage against Radagon due to his primary damage type being Fire, which Radagon is weak to. However in the third matchup SoC kept using his lightning attacks which use holy damage, which Radagon is highly resistant to.
Now if we’re going off lore scaling Radagon is likely stronger since he houses a somewhat complete Elden Ring in his body. Meanwhile the SoC is an expression of the souls which were sacrificed to keep the first flame going, and after thousands if not millions of cycles, the original power of the first flame has nearly completely faded, likely being the weakest flame within the soul of the boss. Since the Elden Beast is just the physical form of the Ring we can assume that gives him some sort of advantage when it comes to power scaling due to it being an outer god at or near the height of its power.
Lightning damage is a different thing from holy damage. Lightning in Ds deal lightning damage. I don't think it is affected radagon holy res at all.
If you want to analize the fight, it’s just unfair simply because they gave SoC too much health, even considering he has a full second fase, other than damage and resistance. If you analize it lore wise, it’s even more unfair, because Radagon would easly obliterate SoC.
This is just a “show”
Well, the third one was the only one with his og scaling, so that also plays a roll
@@SynX-. my comment is a bit late now, but you really think that's unfair ? SoC originally has the total of 10,766 hp combined two phases of him, and Radagon alone has 13,339 hp ( Both cases are inn NG). Not to say ER bosses are way more aggresive compared to most of DS bosses and the damage system works completely different (Example: The absorptions of Radagon are all higher compared to SoC). So if you want to enjoy cross-universes boss fights, just accept the scaling since it is the only way to make these fights possible
I mean imma be honest with you guys, but when I first climbed those steps in dark souls 3 and saw the dark sigil rising in the sky as I climbed those stairs and as I walked into SOC’s arena and just saw him… sitting there in a field of flowers I was taken aback… and the moment he pulled his sword out of the bonfire literally wielding a coiled sword I almost squealed with delight! And it was in my opinion one of if not the best boss fight fromsoftware has ever made maybe besides Gael… but when I got to the final boss of elden ring my first thoughts were “seriously? We’re fighting in a tree? Against some half broken red head who’s also a chick?… cool?” And then when elden beast showed up my first thoughts weren’t filled with awe and wonder like SOC’s second phase no my first thought was “man it literally is just a giant space slug with a peen for a head” and let’s just say after all of that running around to kill it I was very sorely disappointed. Not bad game though! I LOVE elden ring but dark souls 3 will always be infinitely better in my opinion
i wasn't a big fan of ER's bosses as a whole, i think DS3 and Sekiro has the best boss roster overall despite their few stinkers
@@ghoulsome9483 I completely agree! And I think DS3 had the most cinematic fights as well. You know, the type of fights that are super good and leave you on the edge of your seat type of fights
I mean how you are wording it makes it seem you are bias as hell
All major bosses from three to ring are pretty cinematic.
"Infinitely better" hyperbole. Get off the pp
@@ColdNorth0628 they said that a month ago, you're really late lol
4:11
Soc : *whispers* queen Marika secretly is secretly sleeping with me behind you’re back
Radagon : … Y… You’re dead
Soc : I don’t think so
The Soul of Cinder music transition still has such a profound effect on me.
Nameless King vs Godfrey or Radahn vs Lawerence would go hard
makes sense, Soul of Cinder is the manifestation of the chosen undead, bearer of the curse and ashen one.. so almost winning with original scaling makes sense
Clearly Radagon is more powerful by a country mile. SoC just has a second phase.
it is a game wise
He's also got some of Lord Gwyn in there, for flavor
But isn't Radagon powered by an outer god, sadly Radagon wasn't given the luxury of his second phase, elden beast, still a nice vid tho.
(Regardless if he's a sword that's still his second phase and he's still part of the fight)
@@rclaws3230 bro he has a second phase thats his full form its not like he just respawns he actually try's in the second stage, idk how you think that makes him less powerful
Poeple claiming SoC is miles stronger than radagon(gameplay wise I mean) when Radagon had only one healthbars while SoC had 2 and despite that he still managed to almost killed him everytime(he even killed him on the last fight). That's pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. If Elden Beast was actually there, SoC would have just got shitted on.
I'll say more, the channel author tripled Soul of Cinder's total hp (33k) and doubled Radagon's hp (26k), and even under those conditions, in each round Radagon did more damage to the opponent than he took on himself.
What's shittiest is that the third round indicates that the SoC's scaling has changed, even though his actual hp is still the same
Not exactly a fair fight sense radagon has to basically fight him twice in a row. Radagon technically has a phase 2 when he starts teleporting but he does regain his entire damn ho var unlike soul of cinder who basically gets a reset. Man is basically fight two bosses
“It’s time for you to know your place old man”