Dragon Age Veilguard: Misgender Scene (Pulling a Barve & Isabella doing Pushups)
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- The misgendering scene in Dragon Age: The Veilguard where Isabela is pulling a bharv and doing pushups to apologize for misgendering Taash.
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She stopped after 5 push-ups. She literally half-assed her apology.
I was looking for this comment lol apparently bioware has devs that can't count
@@cookiescuentosandquejas5639they probably cut it short it hopes of stymying the cringe.
Thats one of the few lore-accurate things I've seen
It's so cringe the devs themeselves couldn't continue
Ikr. What a cun+. If you're gonna accidentally misgender someone at least do your penance properly.
Every conversation in this game feels like Karen from HR is sitting in the corner with a notepad.
This HR seems to be different never heard anyone say 'maker's panties' wtf was that supposed to mean
That's a very good assessment.
"some people mess up and make the apology all about themselves 🙄 "
"now if you excuse me I need to halt this conversation to do pushups"
Exactly. The game isn't bad because "woke" or whatever, it's bad because these writers don't know what a normal human interaction sounds like.
@@dagobahjones People who obsess over wokeness have forgotten how a normal convo works
@@dagobahjonesehn you do know that this is the wokeness insanity about it?
@@Coldsilfur4 It's just capitalism poisoning writing. They want to appeal to a larger market of people, which means putting in a larger swathe of identities and stories into the games.
Now, more types of people in games is good because it lets more types of stories being told. However, there is a difference between organically telling a story that wants to be told and shoehorning bullshit into a game.
If you know any non-cis people, most of them will probably tell you this scene is bullshit. What Isabella does is performative bullshit allyship. Someone further right might call it "virtue signaling" but I personally hate this term. Really examine the scene here and I'll tell you why it's shit from a "woke" worldview.
If you misgender someone, correcting yourself and apologizing to them is just the polite thing to do. What you definitely SHOULD NOT do is make it all about yourself and draw attention to it by doing something as childish as push ups. It reeks of self-importance and not actually caring about the person you misgendered. Honestly though, this is Isabella and she's a piece of shit so I might be tempted to argue that this is in fact in character.
Here's also a nasty little truth most people won't tell you, this trend of making ALL companions romanceable by the main character actually serves to make the game less inclusive/woke because it eliminates possible unique sexual identities for characters to have.
Moving on though, Dragon Age has always been woke. I would argue, perhaps moreso than this game. But like, really woke, not this cliche' shit.
Just some examples off the top of my head:
- Origins let you be gay, lesbian, or a bisexual. It also included options for polyamory or just having an orgy with four people in it.
- Sten in Origins has some VERY interesting views on gender. If you play a female warden, he will actually believe that you are a man because gender identity in the Qun are explicitly tied to one's job. Since the female Warden fights, she MUST be a man in Sten's worldview. He comments that you look like a woman, but does not believe you at first.
- A huge portion of Origins is about dealing with explicit systematic racial oppression.
- Dragon Age 2 also had plenty of gay representation in it.
- Inquisition had both Dorian and Krem who had decently written personal stories explicitly tied to their LGBT identity.
And here's the tl;dr: You have been tricked by culture war grifters into thinking AAA games are bad because they're woke, when really they're bad because these stories are now dictated by assholes in suits chasing market trends instead of people who actually want to tell stories with meaning.
@@dagobahjones"It's just capitalism"
False. Capitalists try to make money.
"They're trying to appeal to more people."
By appealing to fewer people?
You appeal to more people by having *fewer* labels and dividing people into fewer groups.
Do you think Mario would sell more copies or fewer copies if they made the characters a rainbow of skin colors and gender identities?
You literally appeal to more people by not trying to include every group identity.
“No time for long, drawn out apologies.” *proceeds to strut across the room and do push ups while monologuing for 5 minutes*
Isn’t “pulling a Bharv” a contradiction?
It does nothing BUT make it all about the supposed offender.
You can't claim the moral high ground without the good ol' delulu
That's the thing, you are always at the mercy of whoever you offended to perceive what they want. They're always going to look for the angle where you still are trying to offend them. One person could perceive you being sincere and open about your apology as you trying to tae away attention from the room and away from them. Another person could perceive you doing push-ups as you insulting them because they aren't as fit. Another could perceive a quick sorry as you trying to move past it (as if that's a bad thing) but no, you NEED to do something THEY want that is as punishing as THEY want so that their feelings are validated.
People get their feelings hurt all the time in day-to-day conversation, and if someone apologizes for it, most cases really only need whatever moves past as quick as possible. You can tell easily if someone means it by simple body language and social cues. You don't need to do pushup or amything.
@@spawn302 It's pure, college defects and ret@rds disconnected from life overthinking simple life situations. Around 99% of the time a simple "Sorry, my bad." does wonders.
@@135mikerules23 It‘s activism
These people have no principles what did you expect?
This sounds more like a group of coworkers trying to be poilte to eachother than comarades in arms.
What’s worse is not being woke is not an option in the dialogue. Even if you are woke, this is an rpg, being a dick or a full blown sociopath should be optional.
do your coworkers expect you to get on your knees in front of them and kowtow your head on the floor whenever they decide you have been impolite to them?
Its narcissism. The writers give zero f*cks about the consumer, the product, the story, the franchise, or anything else. Its about them and living out their insane, ideology driven power fantasies.
Lol this is not how coworkers talk lmao. This is how Redditors would talk with each other would they ever meet in real life.
She didn't even do a full 10
Yeah she did 5. Obviously not entirely sorry.
@@funkydanieluk her form was terrible, too.
Each pushup she does identifies as two 🤡
@@BananaMike780 I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed how awful that posture was.
Dollars to donuts says the animator never did a pushup in their life 😂
@@bjosezombie87 her pushups are non-singulary
bg3:
- has gay gnomes and even demi-god lesbians
- at no point in the whole game does anyone point out or make conversations of their gender identity
Veilguard:
Ehhh bg3 late act 2 and 3 is on the nose...don't be a leftoid
I think that is the healthy way to express diversity, not emphasizing the difference and accommodation, instead, focusing the similarity and universal value everyone appreciates. BTW who are the gay gnome and demi-god lesbian? Who is the demi god in BG3?
@@小苹狗 The Gnomes are Barcus and, unfortunately, that piece of shit Wulbren. The Demigod is Dame Aylin
@@小苹狗 Philomeen has a girlfriend in Deepforge and the Moonmaiden & Aylin is the demi-god lesbian they are referring to
"YOU'RE NOT APOLOGIZING RIGHT!!!1"
Narcissism...
This is so horrible I can't even.
The irony of a trans coded sylveon likely femboi saying this.
@@KingOfhearts72 Appearances can be deceiving you know. Trans people having same colors as sylveon is a coincidence I don't like, they disgrace Pokémon xD
@@KingOfhearts72 Can you explain in words why you think that's ironic?
@@LDillon again,sylveon is used as a character to signify someone is “trans”. Due to the colors it has. Also it’s a “fairy” type. Either coincidence,or on purpose as a decision by Gamefreak.
Probs ironic because a lot of trans people adopted Sylveon as a trans icon (nothing really confirming if they were originally one). That said, as a trans person myself I have one simple view on that Pokémon. It's adorable. Oh, and this game's trash. Don't pirate it c:
Horrible. They brought Isabela back to humiliate her.
Yup this is totally a humiliation ritual. They're found of it. Freaky ghouls. 🤮
I just jeep thinking, "What did they do to our wonderful Isabelle?" And why is the music trying so hard to make the scene "serious"? It just doesn't fit.
I agree.
Like... I'll understand character development but this is definitely not the Isabela I remember from DA2.
and man her up
I refuse to believe this doesn't make people dislike trans people more than they already did, or it makes people who didn't care about them start to dislike them
My expression was utter contempt for this vile crap. But it’s not trans people I hate but anyone pushing this disgusting degenerate drivel
I don't dislike the community, I dislike the companies pushing this garbage.
@@OfficialDreamTheater A huge part of the community pushes this shit though. so theoretically this is the community (the dev is trans)
what do you expect from people expecting others to induldge their delusion
Virtue signaling is an insufferable phenomenon. It does nothing but foster resentment towards marginalized communities by mainstream society.
"Maker's panties"
This is even worse than I expected, tbh.
redditerino millennial writing
@@pappico Pretty much. I fucking hate it though
makers g string
This is the worst thing I have ever seen.
look up dustborn, its even worse
@@stuart4341yea but that is a niche game nobody was going to buy the writers and creative teams took a steaming dump on Dragon Age with this one
@@nateguerra319 thats a fair point, while dustborn itself is cringier, dragon age has millions of heartbroken fans who waited 10 years for this. I'm a huge elder scrolls fan and im worried about elder scrolls 6 and i might be in the same situation.
@stuart4341 tbf I'm like 90 percent sure dustborn is a government 'how do you do fellow kids'
@@stuart4341 i think its the same, this is pretty fucking awful
Are we talking about the same Isabella who stole a relic from a foreign army that caused a rampage and riots in the streets of Kirkwall leading to many deaths? Same Isabella who nearly for ten years hounded an former slave and used his suffering for sex related jokes? Same one who says she slept with dwarf in a drag?
Isabella's character was always not caring about labels, and knowing herself. This is shoehorned in writing. There are so many better ways to write scenarios that involve a person's identity.
See she'll do all kinds of awful shit. But misgendering is the worst of the worst. She'd rather take on the IRS
Dont forget about the body count she had for killing slaves while smuggling people out to slavers. She killed children when getting "rid of the cargo" as well. Those things were never warranted of push-ups, oh no. But missing a pronoun? MARTIAL LAW.
The writers clearly did not play or care about the source material.
@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 in a three way or
We need to have a gif of Isabella doing pushups, so every time someone on Twitter gets triggered over the most trivial matter, we have the perfect response to them.
She will have arms like hulk hogan if you do that.
Oh used on the woke idiots that put this here in the first place
The irony of a brony saying this
@@KingOfhearts72 Can you explain in words why you think that's ironic?
@@LDillon a lot of them later become trans/nonbinary,whatever
Struggle sessions now included in modern games without an ounce of irony.
Stand aside Tolkien, this is how you write medieval lore and tell a story.
Lmao
Trans/NB people have always existed. This scene makes sense.
@@neo-didact9285 stop copy/pasting and use your head. no they didn't, they couldn't. medical advancements.
@@neo-didact9285 We complain about the total tone-deafness of the dialogue, not about the people in question.
Your response is exactly what annoys people about these overzealous ‚LGBTQ activists‘.
We want to be entertained and have characters like these to care for, not being lectured into ‚correct use of pronounces‘ of a worthless gender study seminar
This dialogue IS cringey, but it's cringey because the reflexive self-consciousness of its tone echoes a style of communication that only emerged with the dawn of the Internet, a technology Thedas has no analogue to. Not because OooOooo trans people, a thing that we have evidence of not just existing as a quirk of humanity, but outright having a place in various societies and cultures going back centuries if not millennia.
Like, what a lazy and stupid critique. Dragon Age has swords and crossbows, but calling it a medieval society is like calling Warframe hard sci-fi. It's an analysis based entirely on vibes and aesthetics. Dragon Age's world is so old and its historical timeline so snared by (multiple!) literal apocalypses and the existence of magic and enchanted items that saying its setting should resemble medieval European society is just outright stupid. And honestly, people who claim that's what they want don't even know what they're asking, because they have no actual historical knowledge of that place and time in history and most of their assumed knowledge is cribbed from fantasy fiction that they've mentally trimmed the existence of magic off of. Medieval society is much, much weirder and more alien to us than ANYTHING ever shown in the Dragon Age games.
It also reveals a total lack of understanding of Tolkien, too. Middle Earth is ALSO an anachronistic mishmash of cultural mores. The Men we see are pulled from wildly different locations and eras in human history for their inspiration, Hobbits are an outright send-up of the English countryside of Tolkien's then-modern lifetime, and Elves and Dwarves resemble no human society altogether. To say nothing of how the entire series literally takes place in a mythic prehistory of our world.
As someone who had to deal with some family members who are toxic and narcissistic, that last bit made me think of them. Jesus Christ, this feels more like a dysfunctional power dynamic fantasy that includes guilting someone even for the pettiest of mistakes. The way the qunari just watched instead of intervening and saying I get it, you don't need to do that says a lot. The elf lady didn't even seem like she did it out of malice but everyone treated it like it was. A very accurate portrayal of how toxic environments can be.
That's a very good point my friend
Aye. Some people I knew went "woke", so to speak - by which I don't mean increasingly conscious about sexism/racism and trying to do something about it (because that's obviously a good thing to do), but they started this constant policing. Constantly "correcting" people (and eachother, felt like they were competing), always on edge. A new in their minds more inclusive term gained traction in their social circles? Time to police and chastise people for not being up to date with the terminology. The intent and values others had seemed to matter less than following specific social codes, using the right words and phrases, and falling in line.
One fond little memory (not really meant to be a good example, it just came to mind) was when I was telling somebody about samí (folk)lore. Using the word lore was apparently a big no-no. They're was a quick annoyed interjection - "samí HISTORY" - with a tone carrying that very distinct "you know what you did wrong" energy. Being descended from the union of a bear and a woman isn't their history, but apparently lore was offensive to say. Not that I know any samí who would be offended, this was a person who barely knew they exist. Li'l anecdote.
Maybe they just need the paragon points for later?
They make it all about them. As she makes it all about her and her sermon. Tragic
Ok as an amputee i really take offense to this "pull a barv" it is very ableist and even if i wanted to pull a barv i couldnt. hell i cant pull much of anything. i have to ask my stepson who hates me to write youtube comment p.s. my stepfather sucks
🤣
@@0047-r5d daammnn 🤣🤣🤣
I hope this is satire but I honestly can't tell whether people are joking or not anymore.
its also fat phobic!!!!
well i already do 60 push ups everyday that means i got 6 ammo, i call it pre barve-ing.
😂😂😂😂 haha
Never need to apologise again
I love that idea
Just show them a video of u getting ripped when they ask for an apology, long live malicious compliance 🤣
It kinda betrays something about the writers that they think 10 pushups would constitute "sweating a little"
From Origins to this dogshit. I pray to god that BioWare shuts down so we don't have to suffer anything like this anymore.
Ah yes, a totally normal, interaction. People definitely talk like this. Seriously, who wrote this trash dialogue? And the voice acting sounds like a bad dub over. Baldur's Gate 3 has spoiled me.
not really, this is just bad
Activists. Activists wrote it.
The sad truth is that Baldur's Gate 3 hasn't spoiled you, it's just that BG3 is a normal baseline for competent writing in a paid product.
It's the AAA industry, and extremely poor management, that are letting paying consumers like yourself down.
Why bringing modern issues like genders stuff in a fantasy world where people can morph into whatever they like by magic.
"I can be a dragon if i want, but i still have scars from removing my b°°bs when i transitioned into a girl."
Because that's all those activists are capable of thinking.
The voice actors are good its just bad dialogue
I’m all for “inclusion” when it makes sense in the setting and story. But this dialog is atrocious, the worst I’ve seen in any game.
Nah no trans in anything. It’s a stupid woke idology
Funny. You know what you do when you focus on inclusion? You exclude the majority.
Dragon age inquisition had “inclusion” in it and did it a lot better.
@@Warchief-te9jjYeah. Back then when activists didn’t invade the entertainment industry
same. one thing is a diversity another is just pandering and virtual signaling and this is the second.
for the love of god WRITE A GOOD CHARACTER THAT HAPPENS TO BE LGBT+++ DONT MAKE THEIR ENTIRE PERSONALITY TO BE THEIR SEXUALITY.
It should be pulling a barf since that is what this game wants me to do.
As an LGBT Person... this is actually awful and damages our reputation
If this is how your community interacts with people I don't ever wanna meet them.
So, are you lesbian, gay, pansexual, bi or transgender ?
Um, in real life, isn't being an lgbt person already very damaging to their reputation?
it also makes people resent you
That's not the Isabella that broke my heart in Dragon Age II.
I love being lectured by a video game. It makes me feel a better person.
(That was sarcasm, btw)
This isn't a fantasy game, this is a game about modern day Californians pretending to be in a fantasy game.
California needs to get their head out of their arses. The rest of the world aint like that disturbing place
Why a medieval fantasy game needs this I will never understand.
Writer self inserts BioWare is done
troons.
Not medieval
It doesn't. But the creators and everyone at that company who greenlit this garbage want to instill these twisted beliefs as truths in the younger gen that plays this. Pretty evil. Especially since they did it at the cost of profit knowing full well that "politically correct" entertainment Never sells and always fails miserably
$300 million over 10 years, and we get a writing team drama dumping their therapist session notes to screen. No thanks.
THE isabella ? lmao, i swear she dies and new captain assumes the title isabela each game....... cant keep her look or atire consistent
Duncan died for this.
Dragon age 2 isabela would never give a damn about pronouns
No one in Dragon Age 2 would've given a damn about pronouns. It's Kirkwall, they had real things to worry about and not imagined dramas.
@@Muircetach did you ever call Isabela a "he" in 2? Maybe then she would have cared about pronouns.
@reaching hard with that strawman. No one in their right mind would refer to Isabela as a he on the face
@@lordofgingers so they call her a she? So they use pronouns? WTF that's some woke bs. Lol
@@siobhanhenry9094 No she would have just thought you were weird and carried on with the conversation.
I think it's cool to allow players (in a single player game, mind you) to create any character they want. I think, also, that it's a CRIME to make anyone sit through a cutscene like this 😂 talk about cringe...
they pulled a barve right into layoffs
they got one thing accurate: the people who are truly upset about the "misgendering" are not even the target group, the non-binary character was actually pretty chill about it.
Always feeling offended on behalf of others
What if the offender that is pulling a Barve does it to avoid apologising? In my mind doing ten pushups is much easier than offering a genuine apology.
If anyone from Bioware’s crew would dare to pull a Bharve, i guess he/she/they will die mid road due heart attack.
Isabella?💀it’s like she has 3 split personalities, 1 for each game she’s always completely different from the previous version
"Some people mess it up and make it all about themselves"
And here you are making a whole show and conversation about you when you just had to say sorry
How to alienate 75% of your audience in a single scene...
you're optimistic. I would say more than 90%
it gets so much worse than this. taash is huge hypocrite
she says you need to call her "they" but there are so many moments while roaming with emmirich were she will insult his necromancy and even a cut-scene were she calls him "death mage / skull f*****" over and over and he repeatedly asks her not to - he ends up getting visibly upset and starts to yell because its insulting to him.
she gets "upset" and feels uncomfortable if you dont use "they" but she will ignore others on their own topics and keep doing it because of how she feels.
she is so self impulsive and indulging that she doesn't care for others.
bruh why did you even play the game to find this out
Sounds almost like the real thing
You called Taash a she, gonna need you to pull a barve and give me 10.
@@stuart4341 if u didn't care about the game? Why u here.
@@tokamnich4709 I'm here because im concerned about mass effect. We all knew this game would be woke way before it came out, im just curious why people still bought it
I'm so using this irl. Just insult troons as much as you want, then pull a Barv and get ripped at the same time
Based and Barv pilled
@@catcrapinahat 😂🤣
Oh please, like a 600 pound neckbeard like you could do a single push up.
As a trans nb person, if someone did to me what Isabela is doing here, i would simply exit the room and avoid her at all cost for the rest of my life.
I'm pretty sure if I did this in front of my trans/nonbinary friends, they'd instantly stop being friends
This is the thing for me. I’m not the pronouns guy whining about they/them in the character creator from Starfield pulling me out of the narrative. But Dragon Age isn’t set in the future of our world, but a medieval fantasy world. There was already lore from the older games about the qunari and their in-universe terms for gender non-conforming people. So in that context it is a little weird hearing a totally modern word being used to describe something people in this alternate culture would see differently and use their own language to describe. Even the act of doing push-ups to apologize for accidentally misgendering a friend makes the scene feel like it’s set in 2024 and not a fantasy world where I’d presume singular they wasn’t just recently mainstreamed within the last 10 years.
I agree they could have chosen a better term than straight up nonbinary, but push-ups are not a recent invention. It’s one of the most basic movements our bodies can perform it’s an ancient exercise
if you watch that whole rant, that's not what he was saying, what pulled him out of the narrative was when all the women he was speaking to were complaining about men and the patriarchy when all the men were 'grunts' and all the superiors were women. Then he spoke to the one lady with gray hair and he said "Watch watch, she's going to say she's becoming a man" and 10 seconds later she says "I'm thinking of becoming a man". The pronouns was part of why companies who make games like starfield think they can get away with shit writing.
Shut up and enjoy content and wait for more content to consume you bigot
Trans/NB people have always existed. This scene makes sense.
@@neo-didact9285 not really, you couldn't get gender surgery before the advent of modern technology.
Dragon Age: the Veilbharv
My favorite part was when Isabela walked in and Bharv'd all over Taash's face.
Why even include this? I want to play a fantasy game about fighting monsters and dragons using swords and magic as escapism. I don't want to be forced to have to watch a PSA about misgendering.
@@ryanjones358 then go play a shit action packed game with no plot don't go to dragon age for that shit lol
Plus the non-binary character in question seemed to haven’t been bothered by it at all.
This gives the message that all non-binary people have rice paper thin skin…
In RL, nobody will get addressed as ‚they‘ from the get-go and that isn’t a shame. Tf
@@siobhanhenry9094dragon age has a shit stiry f*cking braindead diddycrat stay off of cnn. Fucking emotional woman☕️
The lip-synching is so incredibly bad. I can’t believe they called it acceptable. And the rest of it…What train wreck is this? Did the devs play ANY of the other games?
The rest of it being the content? A rowdy fight story shared among friends? Or the non-binary part? Coz pretty sure dragon age has had trans characters and queer characters for many many years.
@@siobhanhenry9094 the way it's done is preachy. It's horrible
@@siobhanhenry9094 It's not the non-binary part. I'm 100% okay with that. It's the outfits, (Isabela's especially) and this new pushups thing. I mean...sultry, sexy Isabela randomly starts doing pushups as a self-imposed penance. The rowdy fight story was fine. Isabela's language in it was spot on, I totally give them that. But...her look and behavior didn't feel right at all. The sense of Dragon Age just seemed missing. This looks and feels like fanfiction, not something polished.
@@siobhanhenry9094it's dogshit and the agenda to turn every piece of entertainment media into a left-wing political dissertation is anathema to good, compelling characters, dialogue and plotlines. It does not resemble the previous iterations of the series visually, thematically or literarily and somehow manages to look worse than basically all prior entries in spite of being the most modern. It managed to dispense with all of Dragon Age's unique strengths and emphasize the worst elements that emerged in the low-effort second installation of the series.
@@siobhanhenry9094 They were well written and were an organic part of the story. This is just awful, forced and poorly executed. The LGBTQ community deserves better than whatever this nonsense is. So do women. Gigantor bun and Harding are infantalized just as they have infantalized their audience. If they are going to make a rated M for mature game, I would suggest they hire actual mature writers next time.
2:29, the irony.
remember when games used to be fun? you jump and shoot
you rescue a princess
you save the galaxy
now you have to apologize if you "misgender" someone... lol
Damm those words bring nostalgia and dissapointment
DUNCAN DIED FOR THIS
The best thing we got from this game is the new term "pulling a bharv" but not in the way they intended.
Is there a villain who misgenders everyone and never pulls a bharv and seeks to reestablish the patriarchy?
BioWare is dead. 2003's Knights of the Old Republic is an example of a BioWare game. This game was made by SkinWalkers.
I have a fully modded version of it, you want me to share the file?
I'm so tired of being preached at. Gtfo.
@@KarlKokain having something in the gaming industry and art work express different individuals reality to white men isn't being preached at FFS. Go play COD or something 🙃
@@siobhanhenry9094 Seriously... if you think that this is an unobtrusive way of storytelling, no one can help you. There are 1 000 000 ways of doing this scene with the same message but actually respect the setting, context and tone of DA. But this conversation here could be copy pasted from a conversation on X... colourless. mindless. worthless. Which makes it nothing else but preaching. There is not a single reason to objectively defend writing like this, even if it represents your worldview.
@@siobhanhenry9094 They could‘ve discussed it as A) something that isn’t a huge deal and B) that regardless what they go by, that they are a person like everyone else
Understanding non-binary to… well… binary people isn‘t as easy as it is. Some just roll with it, some don’t get it. And that’s both fine as long as the person gets treated as a valuable person.
Plus… let the actual person talk of how they see it? Why does a character who isn’t them decide to lecture others? The dialogue uses lingua foreign to the world, it is written like a PSA instead of an actual conversation between people and it is very pretentious, problematic and contradictory.
Most misgenderings happen on accident and aren’t such a cardinal sin; despite being a guy, I had around puberty a very androgynous-sounding voice and people often mistook me on the phone for a lady. I just corrected them within a sec, we laughed about the confusion and carried the convo on.
I‘m in no position to order people to bend their knee for me for a very, excuse me, minuscule thing. There are bigger worries in the world like open discrimination etc.
The only people who are getting offended over misgenderings of that sort are terminally-online snowflakes with neon-colored hair and bad fashion sense and calling themselves ‚eccentric and quirky‘. How do I know? Look at Twitter/X and it explains itself
@@decorative295 what is your actual critique of the writing? This doesn't just represent my world view this is how I have authentic conversations with my friends. This is my reality. Why would I not want a story told in an authentic way that also represents my world view? I love the criticisms of this as cringey but people still go watch marvel movies in cinemas...
Is this a believable conversation for you in any situation or are you just snapping your fingers and saying yas queen
If this is a conversation you and your friends would have than you might not have a personality
Taash didn't even care or looked bothered by it tbh
That just because they didnt have the ability to properly animate her facial expressions.
@@DicFlair maybe because she already had enough of a stage when she demanded to be a xim/bam/flim.
its the new "coloring your hair", or being goth. now you are "they".
cool. hope these people grow out of it, but sadly most of these people suicide, because your mental illness is not a personality trait.
@@DicFlair His lips prevented it 😁
@@Fedaygin "His"?
@@ShotgunsAndSalt Yes.
Donald Trump should genuinely thank all of the Veilguard developers, especially the story/dialogue writers, for encouraging so many people to vote for him after they have experienced such unprecedented levels of forced cringe in this game.
You need to make apologies for your mistakes on calling our NPC’s pronouns and get scolded for it by those NPCs
getting fucking ripped while you can offend anyone however you like it.
i can live with this system
N word is 100 push ups
Just keep me doing push ups. I ain’t stopping until my arms fall off either.
this might go down as the worst scene in video game history and that's including Andromeda.
Hard to beat, "My face is tired". Lol
Them being extra nice to Taash and Trash is standing there like: "huh", "yeah", "ok".
How is a supposed fighter not able to do a single push up. Did the writers even do any ever in their live?
I'm pulling a barve on troons online now
Dangerously based.
A 4-minute clip and Taash has been victimized twice. First she is referred to with the wrong pronouns and then someone else eats her favorite food. I wonder if her name was on it.
Ah, so this is how women feel about man-splaining
So for anyone who doesn't know, this is the exact opposite of what you should do if you accidentally misgender someone. Just apologize, correct yourself, and move on. This behavior is literally a caricature of what not to do.
Ah yes American HR struggle sessions in my medieval fantasy game
But it’s perfectly fine to insist someone is a ‘death mage’ after they’ve said they don’t want to be referred to as that. And that no one likes being a woman. I love how tolerant the message is!
Are the devs gonna pull a Bharv for the fans once they realize they ruined a beloved franchise?
This has the vibe of an old PSA video they'd play in schools to warn kids about the dangers bullying, except it's in fantasy game for adults with fucking giant dragon people and elves lol
Anyone else think that Isabella monologuing for 5 minutes and doing push ups is the "making it about themselves" she was literally talking about? This scene is so awkward, she says not to make it about yourself while being sooooo pompous and self-righteous about how courteous she is.
I'm trans (albeit not nonbinary) and I fucking hate this.
There's being inclusive and then there's just needless woke pandering. This is the latter.
Same and it's like telling people the opposite of what I and every trans person I know say? Like AT MOST all you need to do if you misgender someone is a like "Shit oops sorry" and then we move on, this is way too much.
This just makes people dislike trans people. This had a negative effect on inclusivity imo
“Some people mess up and get all dramatic. They make it all about them”
Oh so like you’re doing now? Holy shit just apologize and move on it’s not that deep. I’m sick of these writers man
The grin Isabela has on her face the entire time is uncanny. It gives me Mass Effect Andromeda vibes.
BioWare still owes us countless Bharvs for the mess that Andromeda was on release. And for this... abomination.
I choked on my beer when the story involved "pounding the one-eyed snake". Like, what? By the delivery I don't think that one was intentional, how oblivious are the writers?
How exhausting it must be to have one of these fake people as friends
I watch this everyday. Its insane how people will pretend that this wasn't what killed Bioware.
i mean you can take the whole non-binary apology thing out of this dialogue entirely and it still sounds like some really stupid shit that i dont wanna buy
State of modern Bioware explained in 4 minutes and 17 seconds 🤣
After seeing this,...
I'm glad to paired Hawke with Merrill.
This is not my Isabella.
RIP Isabella
You know if you write in a lecture in any form of entertainment, it automatically makes whatever the message you are trying to get across disliked or even hated. Don't lecture, insult, or talk down to those you don't agree with.
It's difficult to believe it's not a comedy. Like, it does entertain me, in a sort of mouth-open, I can't believe they actually wrote that. Ooops, I said "they". I guess I'll do a Bharv.
Peak american nonsense 🤣
Ah ... The infamous scene that broke the fandom 😅
Accurately would be ‚the scene that made gamers ultimately leave‘
What a stupid lecture to conclude that there's no correct way to apologize and keep the pronoun people happy. Because nothing can make them happy. Hey! Just like real life.
Okay so first - this scene has some shit writing; I'm not defending it. I also am not trans and have no personal dog in this fight, so take that in context.
But.
Holy shit. You miserable transphobe freaks complain SO much about trans people and their pronouns. You do it way, way, way more than I have ever heard trans people complain about anything. Holy shit, dude. I say this with love: If there's anybody here who's unhappy, it's you. So maybe reflect.
glad to see im not missing much by not playing this game. if i wanted to hear obnoxious snarky lectures id go back to univeristy
This just became an instant meme. It also hurt physically.
What the developers expect us to think: This scene is great because it shows how the party members are willing to show respect for one another.
What we actually think: Why the fuck are they doing pushups?
Wtf happened to this country
1:15 ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO! Start over and do those push ups right!
That they intentionally have it phonetically sound like "Pulling Above" is hilariously cringe as well
What does pulling above mean?/ refer to?
Veilguard if it was good:
"Aw shit, she! She's still holding it. Sorry!"
Wow. I already wasn't going to buy Veilguard but in an unlikely alternate universe where I potentially would then this scene being in the game, by itself, would prevent it. The result is there is no reality where I play this game. So good job BioWare on writing and a topic so unbelievably cringe I would swear it was some kind of parody if it weren't also so boring.
3:58 Absolute Cinema
If you're going to add politics to video games at least make it about the environment e.g. bioterror, corporate greed, destruction of home and not cram this patronising shit down our throats when everyone is aware mental illness exists already.
She states that "there's not always time for big, drawn-out apologies" while in the middle of giving a big drawn out explanation of her version of an apology. How can people defend this garbage?
I also like the point out she doesn’t even do the full set of 10 she did six so even the attempt at the apology was half assessed…..