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The game wants you to believe he is, but really he neither sounds nor looks to be in any real discomfort. It's really just the visual of the gross blighted mass and the sound effects doing all the work. It's like he's just standing in place swaying gently because the director forgot to tell the actor they'll add tentacles on him in post.
they are two very different games. You are a hero in all dragon age games ( even in origins, the game literally ignores all your evil choices, your companions ignore all your evil actions, its the most on rails game ever) . Its a heroic fantasy epic. Bg3 is my fav game of all time, but they are different fantasy genre. I hate gamers so much now. Modern gamers are always negative, toxic, little children who have to take dumps on everything they don't think is the absolute best . Not to mention that you guys have now started harassing trans people for no reason, like that community needed more hate.
having the choice to be an asshole, is what makes choosing to do good meaningful. without the free will for the player to make the character choice then you cant truly play a character.
In otherwords, if your gonna be playing a god damn RPG with a emphasis on player customization & choices, said game, better have more plot progression pathings then the number of endings in Shadow the Hedgehog (the video game). Aka literally Baldur`s Gate 3 where its not simply about being a Dik sometimes cause you feel like it and your rail roaded to be a good boi. Its instead where you can actually have real effects on the story with who lives, dies, ends up in a entirely different state of being and actually affects thar epilogue in real ways. AKA the best fun is where even if you still at the end of the game, defeat the `beeg bad antagonist` of the story, how you approach it can be so flexible that you can either rush them and huck them into space, deploy a tactical chain reaction of splosions, end up causing them to contract some kind of dangerous disease that actually makes them die by the end of the game or just be so fragile you can blow them over with a gust of wind. Hence why some games become not only fantastic to play multiple times over but also to even watch to see how some people manage to pull off things you never thought could be possible due to some particular things needing to be done to find out about it.
Whats sad, is this is exactly what BioWare said years ago about having the good and 'evil' path in their games. Only 5% of players ever really saw the bad path, but it existing is what made the good path meaningful. And yet, here we are. Playing Warriors who's entire skill tree is mage spells and being the super nice all the time.
Rook didn't even kill the mayor himself. Not even a little stab and twist. Meanwhile Durge committing war crimes every day, just to make his dad happy.
@@awsm253 funny enough, even while playing durge, you can resist evil choices to a point you're able to drown out the thoughts and semi-abandon the path. So they are still giving you an insane roleplaying capability for a heavily one-sided campaign
@@ValkynShade That's the point of Durge. You can either give in and become an insane puppet of Bhaal or you can resist it, Defy a literal god, and tear free of the influence.
Ansur alone has more emotional depth than all of Veilguard combined. And he's only got like 10 min of screentime if you don't include replaying the boss fight to pick different responses when talking with him.
Save your companion and than betray rhem. Erase memory of Shadow heart. Let child be killed, than killer be poisoned by parents of that child. Broke legs of paralasied women. Force Minsk to kill Jaheira. You can do so much more evil stuff than just killing everyone.
@@LucidLivingYT I simply find there would be no point. Dark Urge is the Bhaalspawn. A spawn of god of murder. Not sexual assault. He's still a necrophiliac though.
@@Samagachi Being "good" when you can't do otherwise is not a virtue. It's not even a choice then, so it says nothing about the content of the character. More over, harmless people can and will have a lot of resentment over their lifes. So gaining power eventiually, the end of being harmless eventually, having a choice... tends to turn out pretty dark in the messed up society that mixes being 'good' with being harmless. Having some teeth and knowing what are those for does not compell you to bite everyone. But if a docile overmanaged sheep suddenly gets some...
@@WeibCorbinian Mhm, I'm not particularly religious but I always liked the idea that mankind is better then angels because despite us being capable of evil, we do good instead compared to angels who only know good. Having the choice to be evil, or to take the easy road even if it hurts others, and not choosing to do it anyways means a lot more.
Meanwhile in Origins, you can sacrifice a actual kid to a demon to unlock blood magic, exchange elves for favors from slavers, and side with the werewolves. EDIT: I noticed that some of the replies are saying that siding with the werewolves isn't even a evil choice but i disagree as there's 3 endings to the Elf-Werewolf conflict; (1.Best ending) You convince the Elven Keeper to releases the werewolves from their curse (for those that dont know, the Keeper placed the curse on a group of humans who killed his son and did something horrible with his daughter who later took her own life)....the Keeper and the Werewolf Leader sacrifice themselves as the werewolves are cured and the elves join you in the battle , (2.Neutral ending) You kill the werewolves to get the elves to help you, and (3.Evil ending) You side with the werewolves and slaughter the entire clan of elves...the werewolves turn the wounded elves and help you with the final battle (btw none of the elves, outside the Keeper, know about the curse's origins so they get unfairly punished).
@@JohnJ-r6x What mental gymnastics? It only make sense to compare Veilguard with the best game in the series, does it not? Sure though, after ME Bioware drastically cut down on roleplay in their games. But in DA 2 and Inquisition you can at least be rude, strongly disagree with your companions and in a couple of places even downright sabotage their personal quests. It isn't much, but it's hell of a lot more than you can do in Veilguard.
@@JohnJ-r6x Inquisition was decent narrative-wise. It's just that the game was the worst-looking of the series for some reason and had useless side quests.
@@JohnJ-r6xDragon age 2: You can still stuff from a poor kid, sell your friend back to his master, sell out another friend stole something from the bad guys, stop another friend from saving her people and killing them, having your friend kill her siblings, Hawke has to kill his own mother; Also kill all the mages including your own sister. You can even kill your own friends if they disagree with you; there is a system where you can challenge their beliefs. No evil choices my ass. Even the third game got some even. Just because you hate the game doesn't mean they don't exist
@@Kalenz1234 Yeah you gotta at least act like one to be seen as one 😔 coming from a trans guy. If someone calls me a girl I can’t be offended because it’s true! If someone calls Veilguard trash, bioware can’t be offended because it’s TRUE 💀
@@SKandSCS Wrong Raphael. There's a Cambion (half-demon) by the name in BG3 who basically acts as a bonus boss and is a mean bastard even if you don't fight him. He basically stole the show when he appeared.
Rook: That one time, I was *really* cross with a guy and he felt really bad. Dark Urge: Cool. I killed a kid and then I straight-up ate a guy. Rook: o.o
@@LobsterwithinternetRook: “What happened Wednesday?” Dark urge: “I used the magic of the god of murder himself to slaughter an entire town of innocent people.” Rook: 😧
@ZonaiHero-ul5nm Rook: A-And... And Thursday...? Dark Urge: I slaughtered the entire world with the help of mutant god-brain, so I could finally have some me-time.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Durge: As you wish! In Bhaal's name, the souls of you and your companions ALL BELONG TO ME! DRIFT SLOWLY INTO THE VOID FOREVER! Rook: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Not a defense of Fail guard - it's terrible - but I seem to remember DA Origins didn't present choices as 'evil' or 'good'. The whole game had a very morally grey take on everything, where there was no clear 'right or wrong'. That, in my opinion, makes for a far more engaging rpg than just letting a player be a moustache twirling murder hobo. BG3 certainly has moral grey too, but presenting the 'most evil' actions you can take in this video isn't as compelling an argument to me as ones that force you to think deeply about the consequences. In Bg3, for example, the only way to interpret siding with Minthara is pure selfishness - it's the (seemingly at the time) easiest path to getting rid of the tadpoles. DA Origins, on the other hand, would have presented a more compelling reason why you might side with a character like Minthara. Failguard, on the otherhand, just fails any way youblook at it.
@@threewiseman1 You'll need to justify that last part. "Just fails". Fails at what exactly? You're presented with choices, much like previous games. There are consequences to those actions, neither one for good or for ill necessarily, and you have to live with the consequences, whatever they might be. You CAN and WILL lose party members permanently through your choices (at least one is unavoidable), and some of the choices you make can bite you in the ass later. See, if people just said it's not as good as Baldur's Gate 3 and left it at that, I'd agree. Few games are. It's like comparing your average guy to a literal God, there's just no comparison. But I don't understand the venom, the bile, the genuine HATE that the game gets. The story is great, the characters are fun, the gameplay is fast-paced and enjoyable and skill trees are varied and complex enough to force you to specialise. All the things it needs to succeed. So, whence commeth this misguided hatred for it?
Veilguard: let the Mayor die for killing a whole village Baldur's Gate 3: Destroy the entire world and rule it with an iron fist to please your father.
I think it's an evil (or at least misguided) choice because he had no agency due to the demon corruption. Being impervious to corruption by a supernatural being isn't something that makes sense to expect everyone to do.
@@bluflare12345 In BG3 you could probably extort him for the said gold, or wait until he died and talk to his corpse to find out where he hid it, or just randomly find it, or read his thoughts to find out if he was sincere, or persuade him to give you the gold after saving him.
@@martinhornet1609 well, according to the cinematics, his gold is right next to where he is. but if the scene were in BG3, I'm pretty sure the gold god gave him were all mimics readied to swarm anyone greedy or foolish enough to get close.
@@anhtuanle8583 good catch! Didnt see it as there were no oversized puzzle marker and none of the companions were incessantly telling me it was there. Guess I was too distracted by the god tier lip sync animation that fit the spoken dialog perfectly, they should have given everyone a beard so they could have used that part of the budget elsewhere where it was more needed as its 11/10
I doubt even the actual people who developed failguard play the game. Some people has no choice to work on failguard just because they are not the one in charge.
The same can be said for a lot of game, it doesn't mean anything. Not being as good as one of the best game of the décade doesn't make it à bad game, kiddo
@@johnboily561Yet most of those other games are not of illustrious IPs & they don't even set out to be one of the best. When your game is of an illustrious IP & actually set out to be one of the best & this is what you achieve, it IS bad.
@@FalconWindblader oh yeah because bg3 was clearly a bigger ip then any other game that came out last year🤣 not only did veilguard sell well, it would have sold better if it weren't for the sensitive babies who cant handle something being inclusive for other people as well as them. Its far from being a bad game, its even one of the most fun game gameplay wise but in this day and age, being fun is apparently not enough for something that is suppose to be fun
@@johnboily561Being inclusive is not the biggest problem of this game. It's not even that much of a problem in the first place. By your logic the whole Dragon Age series should've been a failure cause it always was inclusive. The biggest problem is broken pacing, absolutely boring characters, the absence of meaningful choices that actually mattered to the plot. This game is nothing like previous Dragon Ages it feels like a cheap parody of the Dragon Age series
Seriously. If Bioware wanted to create a linear narrative with a fixed character with fixed disposition, that should have just made that with their full chest instead of something that pretends to be a complex rpg with depth and choice.
Baldurs gate 3: Intimidate: Tell me where the money is or i will leave you here! Read thoughts: Find out if he is sincere. Dark Urge: Lets take his eyelids off with a knife and eat them. Leave him. Help him. Bonus: Kill him and talk to his corpse about the gold.
DA: Veilguard: evilest possible choice is to give comeuppance to someone who already deserved it Baldur's Gate 3: can sell out a grove full of 2 groups of innocent people to be genocided within 20 minutes, and even actively participate in said genocide which includes the slaughter of children. And that's just the start.
In the first 10 minutes you can literally kill your companions and a bunch of innocent people even before you kill the grove. You don't even need to wait 20 minutes I think you might be allowed to kill your companions in the first 5 minutes you meet each one to
And you have the excuse that you were doing it hoping to infiltrate the cult that seems to know more about the tadpole. Its sadly not doing much more than cut out a major amount of loot, quests and companions
Yeah, I was disappointed and confused with the name change. But it makes sense, I think. Dumping writers like they did they probably dumped a superior game concept and the name no longer worked for the new one.
the fact that larian studios added this new bhaal stuff 1 year later in a patch is so crazy, I dont know any developer who would continue to patch & improve the story/immersion of their games so long after release
Dragon Age: Origins let's you turn a blind eye to demons possessing children, encourage a dwarven ruler to transform his own people into mindless golems, help either werewolves or elves genocide eachother, exterminate an entire tower full of mostly innocent wizards, sell people into slavery, defile the remains of a saint, betray most of your companions, and the list goes on. The best part is that any evil actions made sense in the story because you were looking for every advantage or ally you could find to help stop the darkspawn. You were constantly being tempted to do evil things in return for the power you might need to save the world.
@@JohnJ-r6xI liked Inquisition more than 2 because i like open world games and it had some really cool quests (loved the Winter Palace section, In Hushed Whispers and What Pride Had Wrought). Haven't played DA2 in a few years, but it had its dark moments, like what happened to Hawke's mother was disturbing as hell.
@@JohnJ-r6x my point is that that the first Dragon Age gave you the freedom to be evil in almost every situation if you wanted to. It's downhill from there, each game in the series offers less freedom of choice than the last.
The Writing and some of the voice acting just destroyed the entire immersion of Veiguard while Baldurs Gate 3 I get so immersive into the game that I don't notice that 5 hours have passed
They do have some decent actors on the cast and I feel like they are trying to do a good job but when the original script is bland emotionless nonsense even the best VA won't have much to work with. You can't bake a good cake with rotten eggs
@@AzureRoxe they do. it's that one pose where they put their hands on their hips and sort of puff their chest out. though it's worth mentioning that they don't do it all the time
@@MARUSHI-YT It used to be considerably more common in early access(first couple of patches, it was actually the only idle animation Tav had) but became less common once there was an animation overhaul for the player character
An "RPG" Versus an RPG A game that likes to Roleplay as a game it isn't, Versus a game that truly lets you go about the story however the F*** you want.
So is mass effect a bad rpg? Cause you cant be evil in it. You can be mean but not evil. Same can be said about the witcher, yet it is known as THE bsst rpg
@@johnboily561 In Mass Effect you can be ruthless as Renegade and genuinely make different chocies than a diplomatic Paragon Shepard. Or you can be somewhere in-between. In Witcher 3 You can't be bad, per se. But you don't need to have that exact choice, because the game presents plenty of grey choices where no matter what you do - it's questionable. And depends mostly on your own moral compass how you look at it. In Veilguard you can be Nice, you can be nice and make a joke sometimes (non-offensive one), or you can be nice and (gasp, oh no) direct! It presents no practical difference. I am currently half-way through the game, it's hilarious how far the game goes to not allow you do or say anything not nice.
@@johnboily561 You absolutely CAN be evil in Mass Effect, tf? There are so many times you can choose to kill people when not necessary, manipulate and deceive others, act like a complete xenophobe, and you can literally lead an entire species to its extinction(genophage, with the bonus of killing the scientist trying to fix it). I don't think those things classify as "mean".
In Dragon Age: Origins, you find a Circle mage defending children from demons. Normally, this mage, Wynne, joins your party as a sweet old lady who heals for you. However, there are two different ways to mess up your first conversation and start a fight, killing her. The children are left without a protector and flee in terror.
Honestly all the chaos gods would love it. Khorne for the mass murder, Tzeentch for the tentacles, Slaanesh for the lovers betrayal, and Nurgle would revel in that end result.
Fun Fact: In the Veilguard, if you choose to kill the mayor, when you go to unpack your things and rest at the end of the chapter, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he killed the mayor. BUT, if you choose to spare the mayor, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he let the mayor live. It literally doesn't matter what choice you select because it doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
Have you played the game? You can, at dozens of different points in the game, change the lives and outcomes for dozens of different characters, including major characters. You can decide which of your party members lives or dies, how they view the world, and help or hinder them in their goals. You can be a classic hero, a deranged sociopath, have a redemption arc, play the straight man or be a sarcastic smart ass. There are multiple endings for each of the main party members, some ending being only slightly different while others totally change to course of that characters life.@@professorwright1428
@@professorwright1428that is different, yes the brain choice defines the end but all other stuff you do will define the end of those who help you that's why is even possible to reach the final part with only Withers and that guard that only appears at the end, while in Veilguard all choices end up with the same outcome.
@@professorwright1428No its not. You could reach that point in 300 different ways. To begin with every single character has different ones. And the dark urge have bad endings that dont include bhaal
@@professorwright1428bro the game has to end some time lol your logic here is questionable I don't know if you are coping or trolling we have so many different ways to go to the end and we also have many different main endings with so many different little variations possible Try again
DA: Veilguard: Shockingly bad animations. Why does she look like a bee stung Smeagol? Do people actually talk like this, like Shakespeare divorced from reality? Someone please just kill someone, end this torture. Baldur's Gate 3: Oh. The gore. The scale. The horror. I know these are just set pieces but Larian did well. God I fucking love the concept of the players being Baal reincarnate. Games are cool.
Honestly was a really great playthrough, especially if you decide to take everyone down their “good paths” and backstab all of them at the very end, “oh you were so close to peace… TO BAD SO SAD!”
So basically. Veilguard: Serve justice to a murderer Baldurs Gate 3: Serve a god of murder, kill and enslave an entire continent, murder your lover, and mind control your friends into committing suicide. Hmmm
Ahh no they did not. Black Isle studios did and they were a subsidiary of Interplay at the time. I don’t even know if BioWare existed yet. Beamdog made the “enhanced editions” and “Siege of Dragonspear”.
@@mikewaterfield3599 Original Baldurs Gate games were made between the years of 1998-2001 and were developed by Bioware, (Black isle was merely a publisher of the games at this time and was mostly under Interplay Ent. the main company that owned Black isle at the time, which Black isle I believe ended up eventually going to Obsidian, these old companies trade hands and change names a lot its hard to keep everything straight) this time period would include Baldurs Gate 2 and both games respective expansions, Black isle studios wasn't a developer of the series until Dark Alliance and the original was developed by Snowblind Studios with Black isle only porting the project so Black isle wasn't *really* involved until Dark Alliance 2, which came out in 2004, original games we’re eventually remastered in 2012-13 by Beamdog which also included new expansions like Seige of Dragonspear
@@mikewaterfield3599 Black Isle/Interplay were only publishers of the original games, BioWare was the original developer… Black Isle did develop Dark Alliance 2 but that was a few years later and not one of the original games (obviously)
Concord from Sony, Veilguard from Bioware, Shattered Space from Bethesda, and Ubisoft's recent drama... it's nice to see people are finally, _finally_ getting fed up with the bullshit from big game companies.
People say that eastern games are only winning because of fanservice, but I think the main selling point of them is just that writing is made by people that are ACTUALLY LITERATE. I'm recently shilling ProjectMoon games with my all heart as example.
@@JannetFenix Yeah, though its sad that they had to make a recent gatcha game. It really brought down the complexities of combat, plus the whole morality of gambling in video games. I mean better story and visuals but, less fun gameplay sadly.
@@shiguriyamamo6730 They're trying to do things with combat, recently, and it makes me glad. Introduction of unbreakable coins forces one to seek alternative sollutions than just winrate. I agree that story is even more peak than previous games, without losing the "touch with reallity" factor thats their birthmark.
@@JannetFenix Yeah although it's just annoying to deal with Unbreakable coins since it doesn't really solve just how utterly unbalanced limbus is. It punishes you for not using dodge, or Tank sinners. And we all know, how God awful tanks speeds are, so you almost always just end up screwed. And dodge has always just been so overly broken. As it just also negates Unbreakable coins. And edit, good god does Tsunel's stream just make me so pissed off. Casually breezes through final boss, with unga bunga ego, and gets back seated by the viewers. While also insulting them. It gave me the insight that, yeah he just sorta breezed past it without any reading comprehension, which is sorta just hoe limbus is atm
Evil in DAV: refuse to give money to a beggar. Evil in BG3: gaslight everyone that you got rid of the god of murder's influence only to claim the Netherbrain's power for yourself.
In Origins you can pimp out your cousin and I think like five or six other women to a depraved noble for 40 gold. I don't think in terms of objective evil it really compares to what can be done later or in BG3, but its grounded enough in reality ("Take the money and walk away") that its really something else. Which was honestly the strength of Origins; no matter how big the threat the evil option always felt personal. Durge feels like a power fantasy; evil yeah, but like you're the bad guy in a story (which you are, and which is the point, and it does an excellent job at that). An evil Warden? At the lowest you're a thug hurting people for money, and at the highest you're a thug hurting people because no one can stop you partially because they're weaker and partially because they need you. Only a handful of options feel a bit out there, and they're usually at the end of major questlines. Most of the game you walk through and do things like abandoning a village to die because its easier or anulling the circle because its simpler, leaving someone to either starve to death or get eaten by darkspawn because you have no benefit to freeing them, putting down a dog because you don't want to spend time finding a flower, letting your friend from the very beginning of the game get either exiled or executed, and stuff like that. Its petty in comparison to what you can pull in BG3 but a lot of it is stuff that real people can end up doing which always feels more grounded to me.
Yup, o think i get your point, kinda like Mass Effect; you "cant be evil", its more like how Shepard approach of a "hero", either a knight in shinny armor or a war veteran Different approach of a moral compass to BG3, but both are good. Veilguard, well... It looks inconsequential (as far as i have seen, i havent played it, neither plan to)
@@omardiegorodriguezcastillo3132 its because braindead people like this dude is crying over a BG clone turned action RPG a decade ago. None of these speds mention dragon age 2 or DA I because most are kids just quoting grifters lmao
There's also a resolution to a quest where you can betray Nightsong whom at that point considers you a good friend, to the man who wishes to imprison her to use her immortality, then lure her lover to the same tower, just to force Nightsong to watch her die. By the hands of someone who will forever hold her in captivity, and by the hands of another she considered a dear friend. She absolutely fucking loses it. Bg3 has a fuck ton of truly evil choises. Not even remotely comparable.
The most evil thing about that is that i never get to see this. since all my evil partys need the evil shadowheart as a cleric, i always have to kill the nightsong. it makes me sad that i cant do this even more crueler option.
No creativity. BG3 writers would have let you steal his gold, set him on fire, throw things at him, convince survivors to join him, or save him THEN kill him. Veilguard put minimum effort into writing anything story-related. All the writing budget went to virtue signaling.
@@JohnJ-r6x Literally what? Act 2 is my favorite act. It's the act where the characters of the game start actually developing. Act 3 is admittedly choppier than the rest but even then it is incredible compared to other games on offer right now. Though the quality dips in the third act, all 3 are exceptional, just that the standards are so incredibly high from the first act that expectations just couldn't be met with limited time, resources and the incredible ambition of the final act.
@@JohnJ-r6x chapter 2 and 3 depend on what you've done in chapter 1, so if you think it's bad then it's your fault, lol? The only game I've been playing past 2 months is BG 3, and after spending around 200 hours on it I haven't even managed to complete it once, and yet every playthrough is different, fun and emotional. You probably watched someone's playthrough xdddddd And please, don't respond with "oh I don't have that much time to play videogames🤡🤓"
WOW! I havent even played BG3 yet and you showed me THIS! THIS MAKES ME WANT TO BUY IT AND DO AN EVIL PLAYTHROUGH IN MY FIRST GAMEPLAY. Vid is abt Veilgarbage but man that BG3 ending overwhelmed it asf
BG3 doesn't pull a single punch you can do some truly terrible things whether its doing this or just being a complete dick to whoever you decide to sleep with (from backstabbing your romanced companion to calling anyone in the game a lousy lay if you really wanted to, no that is not a joke you can do that to pretty much everyone)
So, you know Minsc and Jaheira? 2 Beloved legacy characters from the previous games? You can mind control Minsc into killing his friend Jaheira as the Durge, causing him to fly into a horrified rage, after which you put him down yourself. To compare, it's as if Dragon Age Veilguard let you kill Varric yourself.
The most evil action in Veilguard is something Durge did just because they were still reveling in a different killing and are avoiding overstimulation.
You don't need Durge to do the most evil thing in Veilguard. Leaving major to his fate can be viewed as a not evil thing to do, considering his actions. It's something that a chaotic good character could do.
i remember the first time , when you scouted the marsh with alistair and there was this wounded soldier and you could "end his pain" with a knive, and i think someone said something along the line of "remind me to never get injured in your presence" (thought it might be slightly different, it has been a long time.) xD
To brag: i went to jaheiras House in act 3 and ……..several acidents happened, then i broght corpses of jaheiras adopted kids to camp and choce to lie that someone brobably took vengence on her trough her family and was most likly after her still, she blamed herself for not protecting her family Well enogh. Than i went to temple of bhaal, the kid died but since her cat was my favorite npc i didnt care took vengence for cat and decidead to become murder incarnate to hounor scardy cat by murdering world, jaheira was outside, so i convinced minsc to backstabb her, i like to think she died believing her most loyal friend was behind calamity that happened to her family. Only thing that tugs at my cocinces is not being able to protect scardy cat, but as i said ending im going for will be my penence in his name that i dont remember!
@@TheBadmatter thank you always nice to be apriciated, tho i must confess, my co op friends May have been a bad influence on me during that playtrough, as we had competition who could do most messed up things and i still lost.
You could have also left Gale, Halsin, Lae'zel or Minthara in camp while in act 3, so they would get kidnapped instead, which would have saved the cat. Doesn't mean you have to succeed in saving them, though. So, an extra idea if you ever want to do another evil run.
@@sebastianbronowicki7073 last i remeber of gale was confiscating his robes fo fashion resons, but assumably he died somehow, atleast he became part of my friends build-your-own-body-billows-out-of-body-parts and sentences-out-of-weapons diorama depicting fall of western rome. Halsins portal ritual suffered explosive accident. Someone let Naked laezel out of the thifling cage and upon seeing her die to duo and declered her a waste of time. Minthara was killed by projectile squrrle corpse.
remember in DA2 when you could slaughter the entire Dalish clan. or in DA2 when you could hand Fenris over to a life of slavery to his former master. or in DAO when you could subjugate the golems and hand them over to a tyrannical despot who murdered his own father and who definitely uses them to crush all opposition against him. remember in DAO when you could play the Game of Thrones by turning on Alistair, crown and marry Anora, and bring Loghain into the Wardens. man those were the days
What kills me about this quest in DAtV is that they did the EXACT SAME plot line in Inquisition, but instead it was a mayor who was trying to cover up the fact that he flooded a section of his town that was blighted in order to SAVE the rest of it. When it was discovered by The Inquisitor you had him arrested and judged back at Skyhold. This course of events is unquestionably a downgrade in every sense of the word. The writing staff for this game feels absolutely braindead. I won't even use the word childish because I'm pretty sure teenagers could come up with better story lines than this
Rook: So there was that warden guy with mustache, and I wanted to yell at him, and say something like - "Listen to me, idiot!" But, well, I guess it would be to much, so I said - "Are you kidding me?" But with a really mean face. How's that, huh? Dark Urge (while raping butchered corpse of a friendly bard-girl): Wow, you're sick man, get some help!
alternative Durge answer while mutulating a said bard-girl corpse with a cleaver: "huh`? what was that? sorry, i was just preparing breakfast here." xD
Knowing what the Blight does and how it spreads, NOT chopping off his head and burning the entire village to the ground is probably the worst thing you could do.
We might mention that is completely optional even if you do hook up with Halsen. The “romance” threads are completely optional. Aside from the occasional snarky comment they don’t even affect your companion relations.
I mean if you watched the bear scene it's clearly meant to be comedic and not taken seriously, I'm not sure why some people overreact as if they were actually showing some sick graphic zoophilia scene
@ Halsin actually apologizes about getting too excited and changes back. You get the choice to sleep with him human or bear. Personally the most degenerate part is taking up the emperor on It’s sex offer. Still not sure how that works.
More Dragon Age Veilguard videos:
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and yet it's going to be handed "game of the year" by the journo's.
@@Agiantpansy good im so fucking tired of people whining about a game they don't even care about
Uh Try Dragon Age Veilguard IN CONTEXT, Worse game of the year written to this day!
Such a shame, especially when dragon age origins was perhaps the best written game of all time
@@guyzinman4607 dawg a pretty big dragon age fan and even than thats a stretch
Veilguard: Leave a greedy scumbag to his fate.
Baldur's Gate 3: Omnicide.
lmao omnicide, i know its true but its so funny to win a comparison with one word
@@excalibur3245 veilguard also lost with one word, "misgendering"
Wow. Omnicide 😮
Well they weren't...
....invincible
Of course he is a white male lolz
ChatGPT doesn't allow violence, so that is what Veilguard's writers could get. 😅
true
Underrated true!
Yall love to hate
@@KDA21 Love Bg3, hate failguard. It's even funny to compare them
@@KDA21 Well maybe we wouldn't hate it if it didn't suck.
"The wolves will get him..." He's in the tight grip on writhing, monstrous tentacles, but it's wolves he's got to watch out for.
That just makes me wonder about the wolves!
So, sticking to the Dragon Age Dreadwolf would fit better
Dragon Age Is So Gay
It's tentacles from hentai, they don't kill ;)
The game wants you to believe he is, but really he neither sounds nor looks to be in any real discomfort. It's really just the visual of the gross blighted mass and the sound effects doing all the work. It's like he's just standing in place swaying gently because the director forgot to tell the actor they'll add tentacles on him in post.
Veilguard: disagreeing with people
Baldurs gate: murder, cannibalism, probable necrophilia, incest, killing the universe.
Half of those things should realistically have some place in the veilguard universe
The greatest crime in veilguard is 🌈✨misgendering✨🌈
On king's road. Guards, Guards!
Don't forget beastiality for BG3 or we pretending the bear scene doesn't exist?
they are two very different games. You are a hero in all dragon age games ( even in origins, the game literally ignores all your evil choices, your companions ignore all your evil actions, its the most on rails game ever) . Its a heroic fantasy epic. Bg3 is my fav game of all time, but they are different fantasy genre. I hate gamers so much now. Modern gamers are always negative, toxic, little children who have to take dumps on everything they don't think is the absolute best .
Not to mention that you guys have now started harassing trans people for no reason, like that community needed more hate.
Veilguard: Leave a corrupt man to his arguably deserved fate
BG3: Roleplay as Carl from Llama’s with Hats.
"CAARRRL THAT KILLS PEOPLE"
"Caaaaaaaarl, why did you kill everyone Caaaaaaaarl"
For daddy
And guess what? Everyone forgave the durg to... cause forgiveness is screaming followed by silence... 😅
I do not kill people that is my least favorite thing to do
It’s like comparing Teletubbies to Game of Thrones.
True, one is a fantasy, the other is a psychological horror
I know right? Teletubbies is way more metal.
Teletubbies is sooo much better written too
fr
You nailed it with the comparison!
Most evil thing in Veilguard:
Meanwhile in Baldur's Gate: *Beat a Goblin Child to death with another Goblin Child*
In a Non-Durge playthrough XD
As a paladin.
@@5gvaccinator343Without breaking oath xd
The only good goblin is one that doesn’t breathe.
It is not a war crime if you are doing it to goblin
having the choice to be an asshole, is what makes choosing to do good meaningful. without the free will for the player to make the character choice then you cant truly play a character.
this is best comment I have ever seen
After all, peace is meaningless without the capability of great violence
In otherwords, if your gonna be playing a god damn RPG with a emphasis on player customization & choices, said game, better have more plot progression pathings then the number of endings in Shadow the Hedgehog (the video game).
Aka literally Baldur`s Gate 3 where its not simply about being a Dik sometimes cause you feel like it and your rail roaded to be a good boi. Its instead where you can actually have real effects on the story with who lives, dies, ends up in a entirely different state of being and actually affects thar epilogue in real ways.
AKA the best fun is where even if you still at the end of the game, defeat the `beeg bad antagonist` of the story, how you approach it can be so flexible that you can either rush them and huck them into space, deploy a tactical chain reaction of splosions, end up causing them to contract some kind of dangerous disease that actually makes them die by the end of the game or just be so fragile you can blow them over with a gust of wind.
Hence why some games become not only fantastic to play multiple times over but also to even watch to see how some people manage to pull off things you never thought could be possible due to some particular things needing to be done to find out about it.
Choosing *why* youre an arsehole is just as important. A murderhobo shouldnt be the same as a machiavellian evil character
Whats sad, is this is exactly what BioWare said years ago about having the good and 'evil' path in their games. Only 5% of players ever really saw the bad path, but it existing is what made the good path meaningful. And yet, here we are. Playing Warriors who's entire skill tree is mage spells and being the super nice all the time.
Rook didn't even kill the mayor himself. Not even a little stab and twist. Meanwhile Durge committing war crimes every day, just to make his dad happy.
Fun fact you don't have to be the dark urge to do some fucked up shit in bg3
@-o-dq7nd Yep * flashbacks to Barcus flying across the Sword Coast, launched by a windmill, because I missclicked *
@@xerael4659 dark urge is being evil with no choice. Can still do some real fucked up shit being a normal character
@@awsm253 funny enough, even while playing durge, you can resist evil choices to a point you're able to drown out the thoughts and semi-abandon the path. So they are still giving you an insane roleplaying capability for a heavily one-sided campaign
@@ValkynShade That's the point of Durge. You can either give in and become an insane puppet of Bhaal or you can resist it, Defy a literal god, and tear free of the influence.
a Dragon face from BG3 show more emotional range that a literal Human face in Veilguard, lol
Ansur alone has more emotional depth than all of Veilguard combined. And he's only got like 10 min of screentime if you don't include replaying the boss fight to pick different responses when talking with him.
@@sebastianbronowicki7073 not to mention Ansur doesn't have facial muscles
@gonggonglive He doesn't even need to, just the pain, hurt and resignation in his voice are more than enough to paint a picture.
DA: Veilguard evil: leave a greedy man to his fate
Baldur's Gate III evil: kill absolutely everything and everyone
You can only do this because he's a white male.
Save your companion and than betray rhem. Erase memory of Shadow heart. Let child be killed, than killer be poisoned by parents of that child. Broke legs of paralasied women. Force Minsk to kill Jaheira. You can do so much more evil stuff than just killing everyone.
veilguard doesnt even let you make sure that said greedy man actually dies.
@@irlinaka2754 hell, you can kill a squirrel for literally no reason, and that's not even the meanest thing you can do but it's harsher than this
@@irlinaka2754 On top of that, just be a dick and betray the dark god that gave you the power to kill by claiming the elderbrain for yourself
Mayor Julius doesn't even seem that bothered that he's stuck considering his facial animation.
His face is tired
His face is straight out of Star Wars Outlaws
Probably waiting for his step brother
he seems comfy
He's clearly into v0re
God forbid I roleplay in a role-playing game.
They don’t even let u say no💀
@@OGbornsinnerz Fallout 4 in a nutshell
@@N_Zerønada
Yes
Sarcastic Yes
More info
No (actually yes but later)
You can roleplay as a they/them :)
THEY GIVE THE ILLUSIONS OF "CHOICES"
They're all go to 1 road 😂😂😂😂
Veilguard: Dora The Explorer conclusion
BG3: Literally Berserk's eclipse moments
Berserk wouldn't be far off the Dark Urge tbh
Honestly the only difference is that Durge is here to kill everyone, he's not into the.. Griffith treatment
No rape in bg3 though, so there are lines they won't cross there compared to Berserk heh
@@LucidLivingYT I simply find there would be no point. Dark Urge is the Bhaalspawn. A spawn of god of murder. Not sexual assault. He's still a necrophiliac though.
Now I want rpg in Berserk world made by Larian Studio. Imagine the possibilities.
To paraphrase another phrase:
If you're not capable of evil, you aren't good, just harmless
Thats why people get weird when they get power.
Wouldn’t that make you both good and harmless?
@@Samagachi No those people tend get worse and worse when they given power. Or harm people that are below them if they get worse.
@@Samagachi Being "good" when you can't do otherwise is not a virtue. It's not even a choice then, so it says nothing about the content of the character. More over, harmless people can and will have a lot of resentment over their lifes. So gaining power eventiually, the end of being harmless eventually, having a choice... tends to turn out pretty dark in the messed up society that mixes being 'good' with being harmless. Having some teeth and knowing what are those for does not compell you to bite everyone. But if a docile overmanaged sheep suddenly gets some...
@@WeibCorbinian Mhm, I'm not particularly religious but I always liked the idea that mankind is better then angels because despite us being capable of evil, we do good instead compared to angels who only know good.
Having the choice to be evil, or to take the easy road even if it hurts others, and not choosing to do it anyways means a lot more.
Minthara : approves of mass death and destruction
Also Minthara : sirprised Pikachu face when it happens to her too
Karma's like her, a bitch :D
Communism in a nutshell.
The irony of a _Drow_ being surprised from being backstabbed
Lae'zel had a much better line, I just finished my first durge run a few days ago with her and this ending lol
I had my party members run from me, so I can have the thrill of the hunt 😂.
thank god we got baldurs gate 3 when we did
And with mod support too for console players
Im playing through the 1st one now there's mods for Consoles on 3?!
@@mrmasky9783 yup came with the new update
@@mrmasky9783. Yes!!!
Yup. The number of mods on consoles is fairly limited right now compared to PC, but they're going up pretty quickly.
Meanwhile in Origins, you can sacrifice a actual kid to a demon to unlock blood magic, exchange elves for favors from slavers, and side with the werewolves.
EDIT: I noticed that some of the replies are saying that siding with the werewolves isn't even a evil choice but i disagree as there's 3 endings to the Elf-Werewolf conflict; (1.Best ending) You convince the Elven Keeper to releases the werewolves from their curse (for those that dont know, the Keeper placed the curse on a group of humans who killed his son and did something horrible with his daughter who later took her own life)....the Keeper and the Werewolf Leader sacrifice themselves as the werewolves are cured and the elves join you in the battle , (2.Neutral ending) You kill the werewolves to get the elves to help you, and (3.Evil ending) You side with the werewolves and slaughter the entire clan of elves...the werewolves turn the wounded elves and help you with the final battle (btw none of the elves, outside the Keeper, know about the curse's origins so they get unfairly punished).
I love the mental gymnastics skipping dragon age 2 and 3 lmao
@@JohnJ-r6x What mental gymnastics? It only make sense to compare Veilguard with the best game in the series, does it not?
Sure though, after ME Bioware drastically cut down on roleplay in their games. But in DA 2 and Inquisition you can at least be rude, strongly disagree with your companions and in a couple of places even downright sabotage their personal quests.
It isn't much, but it's hell of a lot more than you can do in Veilguard.
@@JohnJ-r6x Inquisition was decent narrative-wise. It's just that the game was the worst-looking of the series for some reason and had useless side quests.
@@JohnJ-r6xDragon age 2:
You can still stuff from a poor kid, sell your friend back to his master, sell out another friend stole something from the bad guys, stop another friend from saving her people and killing them, having your friend kill her siblings, Hawke has to kill his own mother;
Also kill all the mages including your own sister.
You can even kill your own friends if they disagree with you; there is a system where you can challenge their beliefs.
No evil choices my ass.
Even the third game got some even.
Just because you hate the game doesn't mean they don't exist
To be fair, siding with the werewolves seemed like the right choice lol.
In this video:
One game is truly a Role Playing Game, and one game identifies as RPG.
Just shows that identifying as something you're not just doesn't work ;)
😂
Wow best comment here !
@@Kalenz1234 Yeah you gotta at least act like one to be seen as one 😔 coming from a trans guy. If someone calls me a girl I can’t be offended because it’s true! If someone calls Veilguard trash, bioware can’t be offended because it’s TRUE 💀
Absolutely perfect comment. ☺️👏👏👏
DAV Evil: "Justice must be served"
BG Evil: "IN BAALS NAME."
Well, less "Justice" and more "Vengeance", but yeah, that just makes you a mild asshole. BG3's evil is just... terrifying.
BG3- Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one.
DAV- Yeah? What's the difference?
BG3- Presentation!
Prestidigitation!
*Guns and Roses intensifies*
i kid u not my brain read it in raphael's voice
@@Hammadz-li Oh shit, I love Raphael! KOWABUNGA! Pizza time! MASTER SPLINTER!
@@SKandSCS Wrong Raphael. There's a Cambion (half-demon) by the name in BG3 who basically acts as a bonus boss and is a mean bastard even if you don't fight him. He basically stole the show when he appeared.
That first guy seems oddly calm for someone engulfed in tentacles.
Hes into that
@@bloodred255 🎶🎵 Waaahhhhoooohhhhh waahhhhoooohhhh wahhhooohhhh🎵🎶
@@TheLordmep he watches too much "anime"
Also got those vibes from that scene. There is no talent left at Bioware.
Everyone loves some hentai tentacles
Rook: That one time, I was *really* cross with a guy and he felt really bad.
Dark Urge: Cool. I killed a kid and then I straight-up ate a guy.
Rook: o.o
Dark Urge: And that was just Tuesday.
@@LobsterwithinternetRook: “What happened Wednesday?”
Dark urge: “I used the magic of the god of murder himself to slaughter an entire town of innocent people.”
Rook: 😧
@ZonaiHero-ul5nm Rook: A-And... And Thursday...?
Dark Urge: I slaughtered the entire world with the help of mutant god-brain, so I could finally have some me-time.
@@necasperaterent29386 Rook:😱 GETME OUT OF HERE!
@@Lobsterwithinternet
Durge: As you wish! In Bhaal's name, the souls of you and your companions ALL BELONG TO ME! DRIFT SLOWLY INTO THE VOID FOREVER!
Rook: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I love that being "evil" in Clown Age: the Failguard is acting mature.
It perfectly reflects the childish and narcissistic mindset of the developers.
Not a defense of Fail guard - it's terrible - but I seem to remember DA Origins didn't present choices as 'evil' or 'good'. The whole game had a very morally grey take on everything, where there was no clear 'right or wrong'.
That, in my opinion, makes for a far more engaging rpg than just letting a player be a moustache twirling murder hobo.
BG3 certainly has moral grey too, but presenting the 'most evil' actions you can take in this video isn't as compelling an argument to me as ones that force you to think deeply about the consequences.
In Bg3, for example, the only way to interpret siding with Minthara is pure selfishness - it's the (seemingly at the time) easiest path to getting rid of the tadpoles.
DA Origins, on the other hand, would have presented a more compelling reason why you might side with a character like Minthara.
Failguard, on the otherhand, just fails any way youblook at it.
@@threewiseman1 You'll need to justify that last part. "Just fails". Fails at what exactly? You're presented with choices, much like previous games. There are consequences to those actions, neither one for good or for ill necessarily, and you have to live with the consequences, whatever they might be. You CAN and WILL lose party members permanently through your choices (at least one is unavoidable), and some of the choices you make can bite you in the ass later.
See, if people just said it's not as good as Baldur's Gate 3 and left it at that, I'd agree. Few games are. It's like comparing your average guy to a literal God, there's just no comparison. But I don't understand the venom, the bile, the genuine HATE that the game gets. The story is great, the characters are fun, the gameplay is fast-paced and enjoyable and skill trees are varied and complex enough to force you to specialise. All the things it needs to succeed.
So, whence commeth this misguided hatred for it?
Veilguard: let the Mayor die for killing a whole village
Baldur's Gate 3: Destroy the entire world and rule it with an iron fist to please your father.
Not to rule the urge goes to kill all life, only then will father be satisfied
Rule? No. We’re killing everyone.
There's nothing left to rule as a Bhaalspawn. End all life in the world and then snuff out the last candle in shrouding darkness - _yourself_ .
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э literal Omnicide vs whatever the fuck Veilguard is.
He doesn’t „die“.
So this mayor sold out his village for gold and you have the option to leave him to his fate and this is considered an evil choice somehow
I think it's an evil (or at least misguided) choice because he had no agency due to the demon corruption. Being impervious to corruption by a supernatural being isn't something that makes sense to expect everyone to do.
@@bluflare12345 In BG3 you could probably extort him for the said gold, or wait until he died and talk to his corpse to find out where he hid it, or just randomly find it, or read his thoughts to find out if he was sincere, or persuade him to give you the gold after saving him.
@@martinhornet1609 well, according to the cinematics, his gold is right next to where he is. but if the scene were in BG3, I'm pretty sure the gold god gave him were all mimics readied to swarm anyone greedy or foolish enough to get close.
@@anhtuanle8583 good catch! Didnt see it as there were no oversized puzzle marker and none of the companions were incessantly telling me it was there. Guess I was too distracted by the god tier lip sync animation that fit the spoken dialog perfectly, they should have given everyone a beard so they could have used that part of the budget elsewhere where it was more needed as its 11/10
@@bluflare12345no, based on dialogue its because you are taking the law into your own hands.
It's funny how Bg3 concurrent players were more than veilguard's peak. They made a game for their employees
I doubt even the actual people who developed failguard play the game.
Some people has no choice to work on failguard just because they are not the one in charge.
The same can be said for a lot of game, it doesn't mean anything. Not being as good as one of the best game of the décade doesn't make it à bad game, kiddo
@@johnboily561Yet most of those other games are not of illustrious IPs & they don't even set out to be one of the best. When your game is of an illustrious IP & actually set out to be one of the best & this is what you achieve, it IS bad.
@@FalconWindblader oh yeah because bg3 was clearly a bigger ip then any other game that came out last year🤣 not only did veilguard sell well, it would have sold better if it weren't for the sensitive babies who cant handle something being inclusive for other people as well as them. Its far from being a bad game, its even one of the most fun game gameplay wise but in this day and age, being fun is apparently not enough for something that is suppose to be fun
@@johnboily561Being inclusive is not the biggest problem of this game. It's not even that much of a problem in the first place. By your logic the whole Dragon Age series should've been a failure cause it always was inclusive. The biggest problem is broken pacing, absolutely boring characters, the absence of meaningful choices that actually mattered to the plot. This game is nothing like previous Dragon Ages it feels like a cheap parody of the Dragon Age series
Seriously. If Bioware wanted to create a linear narrative with a fixed character with fixed disposition, that should have just made that with their full chest instead of something that pretends to be a complex rpg with depth and choice.
Just call it EA. Bioware is dead. DA:O was a spiritual successor to their BG games, so naturally BG3 is the spiritual successor to DA:O.
Basically it's Fallout 4 of dialogue tree. But you can't be mean even if it would not make plot difference.
Bethesda needs to hear this more than anyone.
They didn't full chest anything in this game. Heck, they put top surgery scars in.
@@Rob-lv3rj Funnily enough the devs of BG3 said they took a lot of inspiration from DA:O
Baldurs gate 3:
Intimidate: Tell me where the money is or i will leave you here!
Read thoughts: Find out if he is sincere.
Dark Urge: Lets take his eyelids off with a knife and eat them.
Leave him.
Help him.
Bonus:
Kill him and talk to his corpse about the gold.
Bonus bonus: throw grease on the tanticles so it would slip out of the trap
0:22 can barely tell what emotion she has here the voice acting and character models are so bad....
Veilguard was made for people who want to change the world but can't handle the reality that life doesn't go the way you want.
it's called emo phase 10/20 years back then lol
They would use the will of the absolute for their purposes if they could
So trans basically
@@twiggledy5547yup
With Donald Trump projected to win, that makes it even more applicable in terms of not getting what they want.
DA: Veilguard: evilest possible choice is to give comeuppance to someone who already deserved it
Baldur's Gate 3: can sell out a grove full of 2 groups of innocent people to be genocided within 20 minutes, and even actively participate in said genocide which includes the slaughter of children. And that's just the start.
In the first 10 minutes you can literally kill your companions and a bunch of innocent people even before you kill the grove. You don't even need to wait 20 minutes I think you might be allowed to kill your companions in the first 5 minutes you meet each one to
And you have the excuse that you were doing it hoping to infiltrate the cult that seems to know more about the tadpole. Its sadly not doing much more than cut out a major amount of loot, quests and companions
Minthara 😈
@@elseggs6504 😮💨 You did it for a reason? 🤨
Minthara tho..
The most evil choice had already been made:
They sacrificed what Dreadwolf may have been for *this.* After that, there was no evil left in the budget.
Yeah, I was disappointed and confused with the name change. But it makes sense, I think. Dumping writers like they did they probably dumped a superior game concept and the name no longer worked for the new one.
the fact that larian studios added this new bhaal stuff 1 year later in a patch is so crazy, I dont know any developer who would continue to patch & improve the story/immersion of their games so long after release
BG3’s most evil moment: Kill everyone
Veilguard’s most evil moment: “He- sorry, THEY-“
Looks like you're pulling a barve...
Dragon Age: Origins let's you turn a blind eye to demons possessing children, encourage a dwarven ruler to transform his own people into mindless golems, help either werewolves or elves genocide eachother, exterminate an entire tower full of mostly innocent wizards, sell people into slavery, defile the remains of a saint, betray most of your companions, and the list goes on. The best part is that any evil actions made sense in the story because you were looking for every advantage or ally you could find to help stop the darkspawn. You were constantly being tempted to do evil things in return for the power you might need to save the world.
now remember and type out how dragon age 2 and inqustion went rettaarrrddd
Meanwhile the durge is doing all those things but 10x worse just for shit and giggles.
@@JohnJ-r6xI liked Inquisition more than 2 because i like open world games and it had some really cool quests (loved the Winter Palace section, In Hushed Whispers and What Pride Had Wrought). Haven't played DA2 in a few years, but it had its dark moments, like what happened to Hawke's mother was disturbing as hell.
@@JohnJ-r6x my point is that that the first Dragon Age gave you the freedom to be evil in almost every situation if you wanted to. It's downhill from there, each game in the series offers less freedom of choice than the last.
Eh, to be fair, she's the saint of a false God. So she deserved it.
The Writing and some of the voice acting just destroyed the entire immersion of Veiguard while Baldurs Gate 3 I get so immersive into the game that I don't notice that 5 hours have passed
Judging by what I saw in Veilguard, even cats in Baldur's Gate 3 made like on 10 levels better
@@evil_cupcake2386 Cat calls me it's Mother. 10/10 game.
They do have some decent actors on the cast and I feel like they are trying to do a good job but when the original script is bland emotionless nonsense even the best VA won't have much to work with. You can't bake a good cake with rotten eggs
Why the heck does Rook keep putting his hands on his hips like an angry karen?
Also a suspicious lack of blood.......in this Dragon damn Age game.
tbf tav/durge/any origin character that you play as will also do that, and it always looks funny 😂
@@MARUSHI-YT ? No they don't.
@@AzureRoxe they do. it's that one pose where they put their hands on their hips and sort of puff their chest out. though it's worth mentioning that they don't do it all the time
I remember how DA:O had a "blood and gore" trailer that would make 80s actions movies be like: "that's too much."
@@MARUSHI-YT It used to be considerably more common in early access(first couple of patches, it was actually the only idle animation Tav had) but became less common once there was an animation overhaul for the player character
bg3: the worst thing you can do is offer every single soul that exists to the murder god
vielguard: the worst thing you can do is misgender someone
Dav's evil option: be rude
Bg3's evil option: fucking berserk eclipse on all of humanity
An "RPG" Versus an RPG
A game that likes to Roleplay as a game it isn't, Versus a game that truly lets you go about the story however the F*** you want.
DAV only identifies as an rpg.
Dragns On Rage: The Failguard is a shitty action game that IDENITFY as an RPG.
So is mass effect a bad rpg? Cause you cant be evil in it. You can be mean but not evil. Same can be said about the witcher, yet it is known as THE bsst rpg
@@johnboily561 In Mass Effect you can be ruthless as Renegade and genuinely make different chocies than a diplomatic Paragon Shepard. Or you can be somewhere in-between.
In Witcher 3 You can't be bad, per se. But you don't need to have that exact choice, because the game presents plenty of grey choices where no matter what you do - it's questionable. And depends mostly on your own moral compass how you look at it.
In Veilguard you can be Nice, you can be nice and make a joke sometimes (non-offensive one), or you can be nice and (gasp, oh no) direct! It presents no practical difference. I am currently half-way through the game, it's hilarious how far the game goes to not allow you do or say anything not nice.
@@johnboily561 You absolutely CAN be evil in Mass Effect, tf? There are so many times you can choose to kill people when not necessary, manipulate and deceive others, act like a complete xenophobe, and you can literally lead an entire species to its extinction(genophage, with the bonus of killing the scientist trying to fix it). I don't think those things classify as "mean".
Veilguard ; Mild annoyance.
BG3 ; Genuine malice.
that eclipse scene in bg3, damn really good portrayal of berserk eclipse
Thanks for PTSD reminder
On the other hand Skull Knight was badass so...
@@Keram-io8hv haha no prob
"GRIFFIIIIIITTTTHHHHH!!!!!!"
"Guts, don't look."
IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING BERSERK REFERENCE
In Dragon Age: Origins, you find a Circle mage defending children from demons. Normally, this mage, Wynne, joins your party as a sweet old lady who heals for you. However, there are two different ways to mess up your first conversation and start a fight, killing her. The children are left without a protector and flee in terror.
"your tragedy has become mankind's" now that's a line worthy of a villain.
Punishing (lightly) someone that deserves it vs would make khorne blush
But you can't have no skulls for the skull throne if they're all full of tadpoles.
@@jogzyg2036 pretty sure Khorne wouldn't be even happy with the total genocide, because there will be no more blood to spill
Honestly all the chaos gods would love it. Khorne for the mass murder, Tzeentch for the tentacles, Slaanesh for the lovers betrayal, and Nurgle would revel in that end result.
@@TheAttendeeand then the Chaos gods would die out because there are no more souls or minds left to generate the Warp.
@@DJSpike-ft9yw worth
The dark urge gave a beggar a coin, nearly made me gasp.
FETCH THE BUCKET OF BAAL
Surely you were just doing it to deflect suspicion, surely!
Fun Fact: In the Veilguard, if you choose to kill the mayor, when you go to unpack your things and rest at the end of the chapter, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he killed the mayor. BUT, if you choose to spare the mayor, the main character stands there and delivers a soliloquy about how he let the mayor live. It literally doesn't matter what choice you select because it doesn't impact the outcome of the game.
What and Baldur's Gate is better? You get one choice that matters and it's at the very end.
Have you played the game? You can, at dozens of different points in the game, change the lives and outcomes for dozens of different characters, including major characters. You can decide which of your party members lives or dies, how they view the world, and help or hinder them in their goals. You can be a classic hero, a deranged sociopath, have a redemption arc, play the straight man or be a sarcastic smart ass. There are multiple endings for each of the main party members, some ending being only slightly different while others totally change to course of that characters life.@@professorwright1428
@@professorwright1428that is different, yes the brain choice defines the end but all other stuff you do will define the end of those who help you that's why is even possible to reach the final part with only Withers and that guard that only appears at the end, while in Veilguard all choices end up with the same outcome.
@@professorwright1428No its not. You could reach that point in 300 different ways. To begin with every single character has different ones. And the dark urge have bad endings that dont include bhaal
@@professorwright1428bro the game has to end some time lol your logic here is questionable I don't know if you are coping or trolling
we have so many different ways to go to the end and we also have many different main endings with so many different little variations possible
Try again
2:59 Welcome to Shank-City, squid face
I think you meant London
Roleplaying in Veilguard: play a role how WE want you to play it.
Roleplaying in BG3: play a role how YOU want to play it.
That dude is just chilling there wtf, woukdnt even know he's in distress until he asked for help
DA: Veilguard: Shockingly bad animations. Why does she look like a bee stung Smeagol? Do people actually talk like this, like Shakespeare divorced from reality? Someone please just kill someone, end this torture.
Baldur's Gate 3: Oh. The gore. The scale. The horror. I know these are just set pieces but Larian did well. God I fucking love the concept of the players being Baal reincarnate. Games are cool.
Seeing a sentence say 'look like a bee stung Smeagol' is something I never thought I needed gosh 😂 thanks for the laugh I needed it today 😁
I feel so heavy with such choice in BG 3. I can't even reach this far of evilness in my Dark Urge playthrough.
I know you said you can't but you should really try it is an awesome experience
I know right. I am never much for evil playtroughs. But being evil in BG3 really is ....evil.
@@joshdangit1612 after I killed Gale at the beginning, I gave up. I don't think it's for everyone, I suppose x)
I feel like Laezel's evil ending is the most badass. "All hail Queen Vlakith!! The last of her name" while she rides a dragon into her throne room.
Honestly was a really great playthrough, especially if you decide to take everyone down their “good paths” and backstab all of them at the very end, “oh you were so close to peace… TO BAD SO SAD!”
most evil thing u can do bg3 = kill scratch
In this ending Durge kills everything. Including Scratch. As well as all other puppies and kittens.
So basically.
Veilguard: Serve justice to a murderer
Baldurs Gate 3: Serve a god of murder, kill and enslave an entire continent, murder your lover, and mind control your friends into committing suicide.
Hmmm
The irony is Bioware made Baldur's Gate 1 AND 2, where you can do all sorts of horribly evil things, and now look at it...
None of the people who made the good bioware games have been at the company for a long time now.
@@spademagna2672 Clearly.
Ahh no they did not. Black Isle studios did and they were a subsidiary of Interplay at the time. I don’t even know if BioWare existed yet. Beamdog made the “enhanced editions” and “Siege of Dragonspear”.
@@mikewaterfield3599 Original Baldurs Gate games were made between the years of 1998-2001 and were developed by Bioware, (Black isle was merely a publisher of the games at this time and was mostly under Interplay Ent. the main company that owned Black isle at the time, which Black isle I believe ended up eventually going to Obsidian, these old companies trade hands and change names a lot its hard to keep everything straight) this time period would include Baldurs Gate 2 and both games respective expansions, Black isle studios wasn't a developer of the series until Dark Alliance and the original was developed by Snowblind Studios with Black isle only porting the project so Black isle wasn't *really* involved until Dark Alliance 2, which came out in 2004, original games we’re eventually remastered in 2012-13 by Beamdog which also included new expansions like Seige of Dragonspear
@@mikewaterfield3599 Black Isle/Interplay were only publishers of the original games, BioWare was the original developer… Black Isle did develop Dark Alliance 2 but that was a few years later and not one of the original games (obviously)
Nope sorry, totally wrong. Not even remotely close to correct.
The most evil decision in the game is giving Scratch back to the Sword Coast Couriers.
That or killing the good boi
@@thorleif8872 it is a sin to even speak those words
@@thorleif8872I’d never do that not even on an urge playthrough
You do realize that in this ending Durge killed Scratch. And all puppies and kittens in the world?
@@Kalenz1234*correction* dude, he is literally the last living thing left in creation.
Concord from Sony, Veilguard from Bioware, Shattered Space from Bethesda, and Ubisoft's recent drama... it's nice to see people are finally, _finally_ getting fed up with the bullshit from big game companies.
People say that eastern games are only winning because of fanservice, but I think the main selling point of them is just that writing is made by people that are ACTUALLY LITERATE.
I'm recently shilling ProjectMoon games with my all heart as example.
@@JannetFenix Not just Literate, written by people who actually give a damn about what they write.
@@JannetFenix Yeah, though its sad that they had to make a recent gatcha game.
It really brought down the complexities of combat, plus the whole morality of gambling in video games.
I mean better story and visuals but, less fun gameplay sadly.
@@shiguriyamamo6730 They're trying to do things with combat, recently, and it makes me glad. Introduction of unbreakable coins forces one to seek alternative sollutions than just winrate.
I agree that story is even more peak than previous games, without losing the "touch with reallity" factor thats their birthmark.
@@JannetFenix Yeah although it's just annoying to deal with Unbreakable coins since it doesn't really solve just how utterly unbalanced limbus is.
It punishes you for not using dodge, or Tank sinners.
And we all know, how God awful tanks speeds are, so you almost always just end up screwed.
And dodge has always just been so overly broken. As it just also negates Unbreakable coins.
And edit, good god does Tsunel's stream just make me so pissed off. Casually breezes through final boss, with unga bunga ego, and gets back seated by the viewers. While also insulting them. It gave me the insight that, yeah he just sorta breezed past it without any reading comprehension, which is sorta just hoe limbus is atm
Evil in DAV: refuse to give money to a beggar.
Evil in BG3: gaslight everyone that you got rid of the god of murder's influence only to claim the Netherbrain's power for yourself.
I even felt bad for him at the end. Like nothing was good enough and it really didn’t matter. He wasn’t happy. That’s real. So real.
and it isn't even truly evil, there is still justification for it
In Origins you can pimp out your cousin and I think like five or six other women to a depraved noble for 40 gold. I don't think in terms of objective evil it really compares to what can be done later or in BG3, but its grounded enough in reality ("Take the money and walk away") that its really something else. Which was honestly the strength of Origins; no matter how big the threat the evil option always felt personal. Durge feels like a power fantasy; evil yeah, but like you're the bad guy in a story (which you are, and which is the point, and it does an excellent job at that). An evil Warden? At the lowest you're a thug hurting people for money, and at the highest you're a thug hurting people because no one can stop you partially because they're weaker and partially because they need you.
Only a handful of options feel a bit out there, and they're usually at the end of major questlines. Most of the game you walk through and do things like abandoning a village to die because its easier or anulling the circle because its simpler, leaving someone to either starve to death or get eaten by darkspawn because you have no benefit to freeing them, putting down a dog because you don't want to spend time finding a flower, letting your friend from the very beginning of the game get either exiled or executed, and stuff like that. Its petty in comparison to what you can pull in BG3 but a lot of it is stuff that real people can end up doing which always feels more grounded to me.
Yup, o think i get your point, kinda like Mass Effect; you "cant be evil", its more like how Shepard approach of a "hero", either a knight in shinny armor or a war veteran
Different approach of a moral compass to BG3, but both are good. Veilguard, well... It looks inconsequential (as far as i have seen, i havent played it, neither plan to)
@@omardiegorodriguezcastillo3132 its because braindead people like this dude is crying over a BG clone turned action RPG a decade ago. None of these speds mention dragon age 2 or DA I because most are kids just quoting grifters lmao
Pimp out your cousin? Which origin was that?
Yeah I think this is what a lot of folks defending Veilguard don't quite get..often, I've seen them assume that players just want to be 'murderhobos'
You can also be grounded evil in BG 3 but you can also just be Thanos(comic) but they're both fantastic games in the end
The most evil thing you can do????? Give it a 10/10 as a reviewer.
There's also a resolution to a quest where you can betray Nightsong whom at that point considers you a good friend, to the man who wishes to imprison her to use her immortality, then lure her lover to the same tower, just to force Nightsong to watch her die. By the hands of someone who will forever hold her in captivity, and by the hands of another she considered a dear friend. She absolutely fucking loses it. Bg3 has a fuck ton of truly evil choises. Not even remotely comparable.
The most evil thing about that is that i never get to see this. since all my evil partys need the evil shadowheart as a cleric, i always have to kill the nightsong.
it makes me sad that i cant do this even more crueler option.
Veilguard: LeAVe HiM HerE! LET wOLVEs eAt HiM!
BG3: *Recreates the Eclipse from Berserk*
I can do much evil choice in Frostpunk than the Veilguard.
Or Civilization (i'm sorry for your people Montezuma, but you should have think twice before trying to attack the one with the powder)
I'm pretty sure you can do more evil stuff in fkin Candy Crush
Weird comparison, seeing as you can do plenty of evil shit in Frostpunk.
Me when playing Frostpunk: the children yearn for the mines
@@Samagachi All children like minecraft, I'm just giving them a real life version :^)
No creativity. BG3 writers would have let you steal his gold, set him on fire, throw things at him, convince survivors to join him, or save him THEN kill him. Veilguard put minimum effort into writing anything story-related. All the writing budget went to virtue signaling.
No creativity. BG3 devs spent their entire budget and time trynna get one act right they fucked up the last two
@@JohnJ-r6x Literally what? Act 2 is my favorite act. It's the act where the characters of the game start actually developing. Act 3 is admittedly choppier than the rest but even then it is incredible compared to other games on offer right now. Though the quality dips in the third act, all 3 are exceptional, just that the standards are so incredibly high from the first act that expectations just couldn't be met with limited time, resources and the incredible ambition of the final act.
@@JohnJ-r6x chapter 2 and 3 depend on what you've done in chapter 1, so if you think it's bad then it's your fault, lol? The only game I've been playing past 2 months is BG 3, and after spending around 200 hours on it I haven't even managed to complete it once, and yet every playthrough is different, fun and emotional.
You probably watched someone's playthrough xdddddd
And please, don't respond with "oh I don't have that much time to play videogames🤡🤓"
@@JohnJ-r6x it could have been better at launch but now I think the game is in a really good spot after numerous patches and good mod support.
This is really disappointing!!!! This series was dark fantasy but now this game is something for the Disney channel WTF!!! BioWare.
The people who demand you say "Trans rights..." got into positions of power.
There’s absolutely nothing Disney, maybe you play it before you jump on the hate train
Kicking the squirrel in Druid Grove is more evil than that Veilguard clip.
Well, the Squirrel too, had it coming, bloody ankle biter.
Ok, to be fair, I didn't expect my kick to explode him
Astarion's reaction is hilarious
3:50 I didn’t know you can make tiny tyrranids invasion as a choice in BG3 😅
WOW! I havent even played BG3 yet and you showed me THIS! THIS MAKES ME WANT TO BUY IT AND DO AN EVIL PLAYTHROUGH IN MY FIRST GAMEPLAY. Vid is abt Veilgarbage but man that BG3 ending overwhelmed it asf
BG3 doesn't pull a single punch you can do some truly terrible things whether its doing this or just being a complete dick to whoever you decide to sleep with (from backstabbing your romanced companion to calling anyone in the game a lousy lay if you really wanted to, no that is not a joke you can do that to pretty much everyone)
So, you know Minsc and Jaheira? 2 Beloved legacy characters from the previous games?
You can mind control Minsc into killing his friend Jaheira as the Durge, causing him to fly into a horrified rage, after which you put him down yourself. To compare, it's as if Dragon Age Veilguard let you kill Varric yourself.
In the game I took a baby owl ear, used it as an improvised weapon. And killed it and it's mother simultaneously. I got an achievement afterward
That Mayor looks genuinely unbothered.
He kinda looked nice and snug.
The most evil action you can do in veilguard is just a normal tuesday for Durge 😂
More like a Monday. As it has to be a bad day for Durge to not want do it themselves. Or a Lazy Friday.
The most evil action in Veilguard is something Durge did just because they were still reveling in a different killing and are avoiding overstimulation.
You don't need Durge to do the most evil thing in Veilguard. Leaving major to his fate can be viewed as a not evil thing to do, considering his actions. It's something that a chaotic good character could do.
@@yorhaunit8s That is kind of the point. That even if Durge did it, it would hardly be conbsidered evil.
The most evil thing in Veilguard would get the Butler of the Durge to fetch his "bucket of Bhaal" if he saw it. xD
Bro the BG3 ending has to be the most fucked up ending ive seen in any game and I love it. This is how you make a good evil ending unlike Veilguard
DA: "we leave him to die out here" (oooh so evil!)
BG3: (hold my beer)
*the brutalized extinction of all
His fate is much more terrible and they know...
Remember how many knife animations origins had? Brother Genitivi still has that piercing headache back at Haven.
i remember the first time , when you scouted the marsh with alistair and there was this wounded soldier and you could "end his pain" with a knive, and i think someone said something along the line of "remind me to never get injured in your presence" (thought it might be slightly different, it has been a long time.) xD
DAV: Super Weenie Hut Jr.
BG3: The Salty Spitoon
Being evil is just one exmaple. It's much more Terrible Writing vs Good Writing.
Did everyone just assume the mayor’s gender? *Time to pull a BARV*
I like how there is absolutely no urgency to get him out of the giant glob monster
To brag: i went to jaheiras House in act 3 and ……..several acidents happened, then i broght corpses of jaheiras adopted kids to camp and choce to lie that someone brobably took vengence on her trough her family and was most likly after her still, she blamed herself for not protecting her family Well enogh. Than i went to temple of bhaal, the kid died but since her cat was my favorite npc i didnt care took vengence for cat and decidead to become murder incarnate to hounor scardy cat by murdering world, jaheira was outside, so i convinced minsc to backstabb her, i like to think she died believing her most loyal friend was behind calamity that happened to her family.
Only thing that tugs at my cocinces is not being able to protect scardy cat, but as i said ending im going for will be my penence in his name that i dont remember!
So random, I love it 😂
@@TheBadmatter thank you always nice to be apriciated, tho i must confess, my co op friends May have been a bad influence on me during that playtrough, as we had competition who could do most messed up things and i still lost.
You could have also left Gale, Halsin, Lae'zel or Minthara in camp while in act 3, so they would get kidnapped instead, which would have saved the cat. Doesn't mean you have to succeed in saving them, though. So, an extra idea if you ever want to do another evil run.
@@sebastianbronowicki7073 last i remeber of gale was confiscating his robes fo fashion resons, but assumably he died somehow, atleast he became part of my friends build-your-own-body-billows-out-of-body-parts and sentences-out-of-weapons diorama depicting fall of western rome.
Halsins portal ritual suffered explosive accident.
Someone let Naked laezel out of the thifling cage and upon seeing her die to duo and declered her a waste of time.
Minthara was killed by projectile squrrle corpse.
0:19 this is AAA quality in 2024, this looks atrocious
There's no nuance... no chance to doubt, to question.... no anything... it's just.... exposition... There's nothing to it.
Veilguard: leave scumbag to die
Baldur's Gate: THE F*CKING ECLIPSE
Veilguard: Can barely condemn a man to be left to his fate after he betrayed his city.
Best Game 3: you can betray the city.
Also the country, continent ,the whole world and worst of all..your own dog.
remember in DA2 when you could slaughter the entire Dalish clan. or in DA2 when you could hand Fenris over to a life of slavery to his former master. or in DAO when you could subjugate the golems and hand them over to a tyrannical despot who murdered his own father and who definitely uses them to crush all opposition against him. remember in DAO when you could play the Game of Thrones by turning on Alistair, crown and marry Anora, and bring Loghain into the Wardens. man those were the days
I just can't with those uncanny too big head all the characters look like they escaped from some kind of circus
You can't be evil nor can you be mean to your companion yet you are a complete criminal if you misgender someone.
Baldur's gate evil ending is so evil I can't even watch it.
RIP homies
What kills me about this quest in DAtV is that they did the EXACT SAME plot line in Inquisition, but instead it was a mayor who was trying to cover up the fact that he flooded a section of his town that was blighted in order to SAVE the rest of it. When it was discovered by The Inquisitor you had him arrested and judged back at Skyhold. This course of events is unquestionably a downgrade in every sense of the word. The writing staff for this game feels absolutely braindead. I won't even use the word childish because I'm pretty sure teenagers could come up with better story lines than this
Rook: So there was that warden guy with mustache, and I wanted to yell at him, and say something like - "Listen to me, idiot!" But, well, I guess it would be to much, so I said - "Are you kidding me?" But with a really mean face. How's that, huh?
Dark Urge (while raping butchered corpse of a friendly bard-girl): Wow, you're sick man, get some help!
alternative Durge answer while mutulating a said bard-girl corpse with a cleaver: "huh`? what was that? sorry, i was just preparing breakfast here." xD
DA: Leave a man face his own consequences
Baldur's gate 3: Basically became the fusion between Satan and the demon who just wants Armageddon to happen
In Baldur's gate 3, I was able to punt Peanut the squirrel into a tree and kill him.
Do with that what you will.
In your defence, that one squirrel was definitely the instigator.
@@sebastianbronowicki7073 bloody ankle biter had it coming.
Rook's evilest moment : "That oughtta teach ya!"
Durge's nicest moment : "Keep Yourself Safe 🥰"
Knowing what the Blight does and how it spreads, NOT chopping off his head and burning the entire village to the ground is probably the worst thing you could do.
I mean in Bg3 you can literally kick a squirrel so hard that it practically explodes. Can’t do that in veilguard.
It's like Veilguard wanted to copy the cartoonishly diverse cities of BG3 but none of the roleplaying
Despite the infamous bear scene, BG3 has so many possibilities that makes Veilguard paler than an albino.
We might mention that is completely optional even if you do hook up with Halsen. The “romance” threads are completely optional. Aside from the occasional snarky comment they don’t even affect your companion relations.
@ That’s basically “no shit” because that’s how romances work in games. That’s it still there and possible, doesn’t change a thing.
I mean if you watched the bear scene it's clearly meant to be comedic and not taken seriously, I'm not sure why some people overreact as if they were actually showing some sick graphic zoophilia scene
@ Halsin actually apologizes about getting too excited and changes back. You get the choice to sleep with him human or bear. Personally the most degenerate part is taking up the emperor on It’s sex offer. Still not sure how that works.
Veilguard: Justice was served *Heh*
BH3: *In that moment, I become dead, the destroyer of worlds.*