How 1 Ability Ruined Overwatch Forever

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  • Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024

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  • @dejoeym8
    @dejoeym8 Месяц назад +99

    New support passive: Fold
    When making eye contact with an enemy dps, you instantly die from sheer nervousness and the guilt of straying your crosshair too far from the tank you were pocketing.

    • @danisob3633
      @danisob3633 Месяц назад +1

      as a main support i agree

    • @anthonyfarias5076
      @anthonyfarias5076 Месяц назад

      "To compensate for this nerf, kiriko now has 2 suzus."

    • @kinisiko
      @kinisiko Месяц назад

      You guys are not real with these takes

  • @Aderask
    @Aderask Месяц назад +121

    Kiriko is still objectively the worst hero in the game to duel. She gets a free invuln, has insane headshot damage with easy projectiles, can teleport away if the fight goes slightly out of her favor, and can literally reset her cooldowns mid fight abusing spawn TP. At least with Bap once you take out his lamp and burst heal he falls over relatively quickly but Kiri is just a pain in the ass no matter what.

    • @alejandromoya5104
      @alejandromoya5104 Месяц назад +16

      Sure I guess, but fully leaving a fight is just that you entirely disengage. If you’re seeing through the entire 1v1 bap is still objectively worse, kiri is just more of a rat because she can run away.

    • @neoramaredzone8544
      @neoramaredzone8544 Месяц назад +5

      @@alejandromoya5104agreed Kiriko’s more annoying but bapt is definitely worse to 1v1

    • @LiterallySpikeSpiegel
      @LiterallySpikeSpiegel Месяц назад +1

      Kiriko is annoying because she can INSTANTLY teleport away when the duel SOMEHOW isn’t in her favor. Bap, on the other hand, has basically 3 health states and if he pulls out his immortality field you basically lose by default because you have to break it yourself while the Bap can kill you while you’re focused on breaking the field.

    • @neoramaredzone8544
      @neoramaredzone8544 Месяц назад

      @@LiterallySpikeSpiegel Bapt can basically increase his effective health. The problem is a lot of the new healers don’t have obvious downsides like the older ones.

    • @YMan-zo5kg
      @YMan-zo5kg Месяц назад

      Kiriko projectile is not that easy to just win duels with. Definitely easier to just burst people down with bap if you know how to play an fps.

  • @blueseaturtle6031
    @blueseaturtle6031 Месяц назад +40

    *I like genji, but he sucks in the current state in overwatch*
    He was nerfed to oblivion and tanks buffed to the extreme making him deal less poke to them
    On top of that, you got a god tier genji player getting easily countered by one button and then your free kill gets took by some stupid cc ability
    It’s like what samito said “I’m not gonna take all that time to learn a hero and get countered by a click of a button”

  • @user-ei9fo5rk9l
    @user-ei9fo5rk9l Месяц назад +33

    i love how the game below stated is Marvel Rivals instead of overwatch LMAO

    • @wildsirius4649
      @wildsirius4649 Месяц назад +1

      And this time, he didn't even talked about Rivals at all

  • @Zaary
    @Zaary Месяц назад +37

    marvel rivals check: ✅

  • @marcelio2k175
    @marcelio2k175 Месяц назад +6

    meanwile in paladins : lamp is a tank ultimate , granting few sec of team immortality if you are close to he tank chanelling it, there is 0 support abilities that grand immortality ( outside of ultimates) and dps passive is active for every role and increseas trought the duration of the match

  • @SoloCap-Music
    @SoloCap-Music Месяц назад +3

    If Lamp's effect only happened once it was fully raised up, that would actually add depth and require skill to use, making you need to predict when you will need to use it and adding a bit of a risk. The only issue is, Blizzard became allergic to adding mechanics with depth once the original devs left.

  • @_nahwhat
    @_nahwhat Месяц назад +13

    RUclips has decided your videos are always related to rivals

  • @diogo_23d46
    @diogo_23d46 Месяц назад +4

    I made a suggestion in Karq's video to have Bap's imortality field now provides 75% dmg reduction and heal you to 120hp max if youre under 100hp (like its the amount of hp u have + the amount you need to reach 120).
    It can be lower numbers but i wish they just removed invunerability from his kit.

  • @WunderOW
    @WunderOW Месяц назад +4

    I've been complaining about immortalities since the start just like Samito and I'm so glad that more creators like yourself are finally talking about it more. As a genji player I've almost always felt that the new heroes being added are just here to purely counter skilled play and individual play making, because their kit just always seems to hard counter it.

  • @atomicaftershow
    @atomicaftershow Месяц назад +3

    Bap-Kiri has got to be the most annoying combo because it's double immortality. If you bait one immortality, the other support still has them, so good luck trying to kill anything
    But tbh, anything with Bap is annoying, there is like no downside in playing him. High healing, high damage, some mobility, and an immortality.
    But Overwatch doesn't have a support/healing problem

    • @Megggazap
      @Megggazap Месяц назад +1

      combine that with one of the best ults in the game, and a hit box not as big as lifeweaver, he is the character with zero downsides

  • @blkc744
    @blkc744 Месяц назад +9

    clip that and send it to samito

  • @mvndoc
    @mvndoc Месяц назад +6

    Countdown till Marvel Rivals 🥳🥳🥳

  • @SoloCap-Music
    @SoloCap-Music Месяц назад +2

    It will never make sense why they made a Support character the best duelist in the game.
    EDIT: it was probably unintentional bc I don't think Blizzard is capable of thinking more than 5 minutes into the future

  • @NotVoidly
    @NotVoidly Месяц назад +12

    Why is it that content creators could actually balance overwatch better the the balancing team?

    • @getbowsedon
      @getbowsedon Месяц назад +9

      Because the devs don’t play the game lol

    • @austinjackson9650
      @austinjackson9650 Месяц назад +2

      It's super hard to balance a game like Overwatch. For example, if you decrease Genji shuriken damage by 2, he loses his 1 shot combo. If you increase it by 2, he can 1 shot the "tank dps" like reaper, who aren't supposed to be able to get 1 shot(it's kinda dumb for a character with no long range to get 1 tapped)
      And you'll say, well genji is hard to play because supports can save themselves or their tm8s easily. And I agree, but in ranks Plat and below(which is where over 80% of people are at), supports don't react quickly to dives, especially 1-shots. So it's hard to make genji good, because he becomes a menace in mid-low rank. But it sucks to nerf him because he becomes very difficult to play in high ranks. Now apply this same logic to every single hero, and how they interact with every single other hero, and you get an extremely complicated spiderweb of balance changes that constantly have to be changed. Sure, you can watch Necros(best genji player) say genji needs a buff, or Bap needs a nerf. But he has very limited exposure to the rest of the player base, and he also never plays any other character, and NEVER plays supports, so he really doesn't get how the interactions feel from the other side. And I'm a genji one trick, I'd love if genji got a buff, but I also understand little changes can make a big difference. So I just have fun and try not to care about win/lose too much

    • @austinjackson9650
      @austinjackson9650 Месяц назад

      Btw, I do think Bap's immortality field needs a nerf. It needs to go from 20 seconds cooldown to 12. And it also needs a 3/4 second deploy time, so it's not instant deployment. And go from lasting 5 seconds to 4(or 3)

    • @kinisiko
      @kinisiko Месяц назад

      ​@@austinjackson9650You have a good example of a nice game balance, wdym "Its hard to balance"? Creators game mode was pretty fun, surely it had some flaws but it still was more fun than quick play or competitive

    • @austinjackson9650
      @austinjackson9650 Месяц назад

      @kinisiko it's just different playstyles. Some people want the game to be fun, some want it to feel more competitive. Some people are very good, Some are very bad. Personally I like the game to feel competitive. I like to be rewarded when I make good plays. I would like to see my hundreds of hours in Genji training packs pay off. Being "better" than someone else is my version of fun(in video games) And I think that most other high-level players would agree with this. That is why things like Imortslity field, suzu, and other no-skill abilities are frustrating. However....most of everykne else fucking sucks ass at this game. They play like 10 hours a week. They can't aim, and they don't practice or warm up. They need crutches like that, or they will die over and over, then stop playing. The devs know that, so to keep that part of the player base, they add easy to use characters and unfair abilities. Unfortunately, when high skill players abuse low skill heros, you get "unbalanced" at the top end. So it's a constant battle for the devs to choose which half of the player base to appeal to

  • @SlyPengu
    @SlyPengu Месяц назад

    Swap baps ult with lamp. Window could be up for the same duration as lamp but as it gets closer to ending the strength of window lessens. As for a lamp ult, beef up its hp so it doesn’t get destroyed easily and have it last 8 to 12 seconds. In a way it would be like classic mercy ult where it extends the fight.

  • @allenlow5081
    @allenlow5081 Месяц назад +1

    What if like instead of immo ability, they change Bap's E to damage taken decrease (idk maybe 70%? ), which mean you will still die but not easily. So the guy being protected will have some time to fight back.

    • @LeatherNinja
      @LeatherNinja Месяц назад

      People have said this for actual years but they probably won't do it because the game would be too balanced without immort

  • @999_4ttain
    @999_4ttain Месяц назад +1

    I definitely think Batist's E skill should have an invincibility effect when activated while floating in the air. Now, it activates immediately after use, which is too OP.😂

  • @danieldosso2455
    @danieldosso2455 Месяц назад +3

    Play the 6v6 custom game code

  • @NotVoidly
    @NotVoidly Месяц назад

    19:00 If you look straight up and simply hold space im pretty sure you can climb those.

  • @glamodrama287
    @glamodrama287 16 дней назад

    But Necros "Soldiers biotic field is stronger than every support abilities in the game!!" 💀

  • @cime62
    @cime62 28 дней назад

    And it's exactly why one shots have always been so broken in this game. Because if you dont have a hero that one shots, you can't kill shit. This is why pocket-[InsertHeroWhoCanOsWithPocketHere] is so good. This is also why Widow is so good

  • @chinbolsas7008
    @chinbolsas7008 Месяц назад +11

    or views in 2 seconds, I miss the old necros

  • @mandm1418
    @mandm1418 Месяц назад +1

    That one article map when it’s always day

  • @BuffGenji
    @BuffGenji Месяц назад

    13:30 don’t think duration should be nerfed cuz Suzu currently fills the role of burst immunity, and I’d rather lamp have like a 1 second proc time. His regenerative burst also should heal himself for less, then maybe he won’t be better than most of the DPS in a 1v1

  • @bigboss4993
    @bigboss4993 Месяц назад +1

    It hurts to watch what has become if Genji

    • @digital_nex2247
      @digital_nex2247 Месяц назад +1

      ye you need 3 hits to kill someone with blade, and killing supports is extremely hard. especially if the support is illari or bap. those two do so much damage while being able to heal themselves. the game is actually so shit, since they added hybrid charecters.

  • @BRIJUNKO
    @BRIJUNKO Месяц назад

    Immortality field should be an ultimate ability not a freaking regular ability, then they could turn the window into an ability instead but reduce it's effectiveness. Also yeah I agree kiriko should just cleanse but a new add-on could be if an ally is afflicted with a negative effect Suzuki will grant 15% ult charge to the ally and herself

  • @BendMax
    @BendMax Месяц назад

    since we are on the topic of heros having 2-3 phases to their boss fight.
    can we talk about how echo gets 3 fucking lives for her ultimate, and 1-2 possible ultimates of her choice.
    then the fun stuff begins if echo copies bap, she now is a 5 phase boss

  • @skrrrtsusman3450
    @skrrrtsusman3450 Месяц назад

    in paladins if a teamwide or more than 1 person immortality effect exists its an ult

  • @E-Rapist007
    @E-Rapist007 Месяц назад +2

    GYATTCROS 😛

  • @WillOfTheFungalNetwork
    @WillOfTheFungalNetwork Месяц назад

    Im a LW lover so maybe my opinion is void, but the thing that really makes bap and kiri so infuriating for me is that even without their immortalities they're still really strong characters. Also their invulns are better than LW's because they have no risk inherent to them other than just the risk of not having them and just having to rely on your incredibly powerful gun to win fights instead

  • @rockykrivijanski1891
    @rockykrivijanski1891 Месяц назад

    You and Samito need to get together to talk about your shared hatred of immortality abilities. Zero risk, all reward.

  • @crack-man4071
    @crack-man4071 Месяц назад

    I don’t think that the imor abilities were shown in any cinematics. Sooo, why not get rid of them

  • @Igorharazin624
    @Igorharazin624 Месяц назад

    Edgemaxxing to Necros day 60

  • @m.farrelfahrezi4301
    @m.farrelfahrezi4301 Месяц назад

    not youtube claiming this is marvel rivals 💀💀

  • @TwoSox-
    @TwoSox- Месяц назад

    lifeweaver pull should work like zarya bubble should be possible break it and stop the pull effect still would be strong af but at least there is something u can do

  • @IDontPostAnymore123
    @IDontPostAnymore123 Месяц назад

    Bap being more tanky then 80% of actual tanks

  • @dsvd4727
    @dsvd4727 Месяц назад

    Damage negation or invulnerabilities should at least always be a commitment, genji can't do anything while deflecting, rein can't attack while shielding, mei can't do anything in ice block, reaper can't attack in fart form, why bap can just drop his lamp, spending 0.002 sec to make himself immortal, and just keep shooting at you, kiriko drops a bag of milk on the ground and instantly can just headshot you, it kinda the same with moira too, but at least she can't three tap you, what is this two for a price of one deal

  • @daviddavila9213
    @daviddavila9213 Месяц назад

    The fact they haven’t made immortally Field a ult is beyond me!

  • @dojo8627
    @dojo8627 Месяц назад

    Pylon literally plays the game for you

  • @dharmams3856
    @dharmams3856 Месяц назад +1

    Pls Blizzard listen to this

  • @pericovd929
    @pericovd929 Месяц назад

    devs are main support

  • @ricey3952
    @ricey3952 Месяц назад

    Just like suzu now, it should not be instant. Doesn't matter the hp they nerf it to, when a Bap can place it behind cover you cannot do anything.

  • @saltybreaker2066
    @saltybreaker2066 Месяц назад

    You forgot Ana nade

  • @richards8172
    @richards8172 Месяц назад

    You need LoS with lamp for invul

  • @LackadaisicalLord
    @LackadaisicalLord Месяц назад

    How about just not let bap shoot in lamp. Like reaper and vent can go invulnerable but they can’t shoot and immediately win any fight against any dps. Idk why bap can put down an invulnerability lamp and just shoot at some genji with 0 punishment

  • @F1REY
    @F1REY Месяц назад +1

    Day 143 edging to Necros

    • @_nahwhat
      @_nahwhat Месяц назад

      day 86 edging to f1rey

  • @YMan-zo5kg
    @YMan-zo5kg Месяц назад

    I get it but bro acting like you can’t bait it out and it goes on a long cooldown. Sure he didn’t get the kill but he forced lamp and his teammates could make a game changing play with another ult to follow up.

  • @lancefisher8358
    @lancefisher8358 Месяц назад

    Bap player here chiming in Suzu is worse than lamp or at least when it released

  • @spencerlail8282
    @spencerlail8282 Месяц назад

    Just play the invisible lady when you play against that guy. Because you know you that ability and there’s not banning in the game either.
    As a support main I hate that lady

  • @candlestick6294
    @candlestick6294 Месяц назад

    you said it the balance for the causal which is why they wont remove half of the bad shit for balance imagine getting on the game for 2 hoiurs a week and playing a no life genji not much you can do unless you have a broken ability

  • @Bluuueeeee
    @Bluuueeeee Месяц назад +1

    Day 31 of asking necros to play ghostrunner already

  • @sahaakhiyat3703
    @sahaakhiyat3703 Месяц назад

    I still remember how plat Baptiste killed you when you nanobladed him. Dude just lamped, then AOE hilled and that was enough to kill nanoboosted Top500 Genji
    Waiting for Marvel Rivals, this game shouldn't exist at this point. They more busy with making Tank role suffer more and more rather than doing something actually working (by nerfing supports for example, returning 6v6, making Shimadas great again and list goes on)

  • @Deroros
    @Deroros Месяц назад

    W 3 am post

  • @ncascini01
    @ncascini01 Месяц назад

    Ground and pound

  • @adrianix4580
    @adrianix4580 Месяц назад +1

    does anyone know what happened to shadder2k?

    • @user-ei9fo5rk9l
      @user-ei9fo5rk9l Месяц назад

      locked under his basement 🤍

    • @sahaakhiyat3703
      @sahaakhiyat3703 Месяц назад

      Didn't he retire because of hand injury from years ago ? I mean he came back for OW2 but then previous injury were still affecting him so he once again retired
      He streamed occasionally from time to time but he still on retirement, no ? Did he return recently and disappeared again ?

    • @adrianix4580
      @adrianix4580 Месяц назад

      @@sahaakhiyat3703 i mean hes last video on youtube was year ago and i also cameback after longer break and i remeber watching shadder and necros the most so i was wondering what happened to him

    • @sahaakhiyat3703
      @sahaakhiyat3703 Месяц назад

      @@adrianix4580 understood. He retired after that last youtube videos. Like, he stopped uploading and started to sometimes stream on twitch, then again retired stating that he still have problems with health and that he lost interest in OW again.
      I mean, can we blame him, Genji is even more shittier than he was when he played lol

  • @liamnerdwob1919
    @liamnerdwob1919 Месяц назад +1

    Just make baps abilities not affect himself and the character would be instantly 10x healthier for the game. Same with suzu at least for the invulnerability. Instant nerf to the braindead get out of jail free cards without nerfing their team utility. Get on it Blizzard.

  • @otsu3011
    @otsu3011 Месяц назад

    of course suzu or lamp

  • @ncascini01
    @ncascini01 Месяц назад

    Immortality should only be ultimates or shouldn't even be in the game, even as an ultimate.

    • @animeanime7849
      @animeanime7849 Месяц назад

      I’m fine with Immortality as a basic ability as long as the immortal person can’t actually attack, such as Mei iceblock, Reaper, venture, etc.

  • @ncascini01
    @ncascini01 Месяц назад

    Support is the role that comes with training wheels. Honestly, why play dps? I've been playing bap and killing pharah's because he's the best hero in the game to contest her.

  • @jens3993
    @jens3993 29 дней назад

    du ble offisielt eid av meitemarken

  • @JumpsOw
    @JumpsOw Месяц назад

    Day 42 of waiting for Necros to get sticky again!

  • @water0000
    @water0000 Месяц назад

    agreed

  • @elpebblo
    @elpebblo Месяц назад +4

    Actually it's two abilities 🤓

  • @dieupoulpe
    @dieupoulpe Месяц назад +1

    All support are overpowered... Imagine play support (heal) and make more dps/s than you dps... With stupid abilities... The one that is balanced corectly is vital. Try 1 think fight a dps that is healed by a suport... It s bra7n dead...
    Im making a best of doom play (for me) and i remember the time doom was a good caracter hard to play with fun tecks and could destroy idiots trough lamp..

  • @proddray
    @proddray Месяц назад

    Genji diff

  • @vexthepichu226
    @vexthepichu226 Месяц назад

    Day 47 asking Necros to play Paladins

  • @_nahwhat
    @_nahwhat Месяц назад +1

    Day 86 edging to F1REY

  • @otpcass
    @otpcass Месяц назад

    i hate ana nade also

  • @shawnbarrett7632
    @shawnbarrett7632 Месяц назад +1

    Dude, you complaining is like a lion complaining why the gazelle has fast legs. 😅 omg I'm complaining because i gotta work for my food. Hahahah

  • @kithkin01
    @kithkin01 Месяц назад

    you are losing with aimbot

  • @joeribeiro2839
    @joeribeiro2839 Месяц назад

    This is all true... BUT... its equally dumb that genji can "deflect" a fucking 7ft rocket powered hammer 😂... I'm all for nerfing immortalities... but delete that dumb shit from the game first lol

  • @kurvaanyad12
    @kurvaanyad12 Месяц назад

    Supports have ruined this game since brig. Imagine realizing this in 2024 when its your job to play everyday xddd

  • @ichigokurosaki69
    @ichigokurosaki69 Месяц назад

    ngl suzu feel balanced but lamp - since it's multiple seconds active - feels very unbalanced

  • @scavvy4860
    @scavvy4860 Месяц назад

    First thing I see tho is you maulding over trying to 1v1 a bap when you know he hasn't used immortality. Makes it hard to take the rest of the vid serious when the first thing presented is a blatant error on your part. You know how hard it is to play Genji, you know that you constantly have to keep track of every single enemy cooldown to be effective, while it's BS and completely unfair, that's how it is.

    • @smallworldhaker7781
      @smallworldhaker7781 Месяц назад +1

      the whole point is it’s bs and completely unfair that’s y he’s complaining tho

    • @scavvy4860
      @scavvy4860 Месяц назад

      @@smallworldhaker7781 That has always been Genji, pretty much. So it’s not much use to talk about it.

    • @smallworldhaker7781
      @smallworldhaker7781 Месяц назад

      ⁠@@scavvy4860eh without discussion abt it there’s even less of a chance that the devs will not make changes to the busted boring characters that ruin the game

    • @scavvy4860
      @scavvy4860 Месяц назад

      @@smallworldhaker7781 You think Bap is boring? Or genji? Either way, Bap is pretty strong, yeah. There's no reason for lamp to insta-immortality even before it's raised in the air. Like, it has a whole animation from being thrown, landing, sitting on the floor, then shooting into the air. There's no reason it shouldn't be required for it to be in the air to have the effect.

    • @LeatherNinja
      @LeatherNinja Месяц назад

      ​@@scavvy4860"that's how it is" is an incredibly brainless thing to say. Supports are better than DPS? Just how it is. Tanks are simultaneously the best and worst role in the game? Just how it is.

  • @rahli_9252
    @rahli_9252 Месяц назад

    First

  • @Nyyytar7n
    @Nyyytar7n Месяц назад +1

    im 1st

    • @Nyyytar7n
      @Nyyytar7n Месяц назад

      nvm i refreshed im 2nd lmao

  • @gwynbleidd8723
    @gwynbleidd8723 Месяц назад

    THEY WILL NEVER NERF SUPPORTS STOP COMPLAINING AND DEAL WITH IT NOW

    • @LeatherNinja
      @LeatherNinja Месяц назад

      JUST BEND OVER AND TAKE IT LIKE A GOOD BOY

  • @sassiesasquatch7072
    @sassiesasquatch7072 Месяц назад +1

    Your a gm genji you know he has lamp active don't commit to the dive lol you were just ego fighting him

    • @supplantermusic9413
      @supplantermusic9413 Месяц назад +9

      he makes a good point in the beginning though, just give lamp a longer deploy time like blade and thatd be alot more fair. having an instantaneous immortality button for you and your team is just crazy

    • @sahaakhiyat3703
      @sahaakhiyat3703 Месяц назад

      Oh, OW redditor right there. Didn't know that you guys now spread your brainless opinions into RUclips. Still teaching Top500 players how to play the game when they state obvious problems with Support supremacy ?

    • @ben69028
      @ben69028 Месяц назад

      You still have to force lamp somehow. That's the problem. If your gm you know you have to force lamp so you can make a play. So you eventually have to duel baptist on the flank preferably to get him to drop lamp so the rest of your team can make a play.
      That's why baptist and kiriko are broken. There's no counter. You have to risk it all to force that thing or play widowmaker and one shot them.
      So 90% can't play the game and risk dying trying to force lamp and live because your brain dead and can't understand that the ability is broken and has been broken for years.

    • @DIzzieBizzie
      @DIzzieBizzie Месяц назад

      ...

    • @ChimpRevolution
      @ChimpRevolution Месяц назад +2

      That doesn't make it balanced because you have to force it. He has to take a risk to get the bap to actually use it then disengage and renengage. That requires like a 5 step plan from the gengi when the bap only needs 1 step press E.

  • @liamelui
    @liamelui Месяц назад

    imagine crying about a 125 hp lamp with half a minute cd

    • @ronald6563
      @ronald6563 Месяц назад +3

      imagine advocating for overpowered, no skill abilities 😮

    • @animeanime7849
      @animeanime7849 Месяц назад

      @@ronald6563a vast majority of abilities in the game since day one can be classified as “non skilled”

    • @ronald6563
      @ronald6563 Месяц назад

      @@animeanime7849 what’s ur point fruitcake. stay on topic. Lamp is the epitome of maximum value for minimum input

    • @ChimpRevolution
      @ChimpRevolution Месяц назад

      ​@animeanime7849 LMAO name 5 abilities from the original cast not DLC characters that have completely brain dead abilities that make it difficult to near impossible to counterplay

    • @ChimpRevolution
      @ChimpRevolution Месяц назад

      Doesn't matter if it's 125 hp when you already burned cooldowns to get the bap low plus if he throws it around a corner that thing might as well be indestructible for 5 secs because you can't break it

  • @iFly10FeetHigh
    @iFly10FeetHigh Месяц назад

    There should be damag3 reduction abilities but never full immortality. Those abilities should always be bleeds through damage at the very least