Wacom Bamboo Ink Plus VS The Surface Pen
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- This is the Wacom Bamboo Ink Plus, the new Universal Windows stylus by Wacom. It contains digitizers for n-trig and AES pens inside so it can be used on a wide range of pen enabled computers. To see if this is compatible with your Windows 10 computer check out the list here: www.wacom.com/en-us/comp
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4:55 ah yes, my favorite Nib Hardness: Blue
Lol😂😂
Just what I thought.
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue.... nib?
@@carlosalvarado4637 Theres a Dick Joke there somewhere :D
Hmm, maybe it would be hard as stone as blue ice is very cold ice and you could say that the ice was stone cold :0????
This is a warning for the light sketchers out there !!
I strongly disagree with Brad's assessment of the initial activation force needed on a surface pro. Don't let that scare you away if you are used to drawing very lightly like me !
If you hesitate between an Ipad and a surface pro, just know that the initial activation force can be set up to your licking on a surface pro, and that you can draw as lightly as on the ipad !
I have a 2017 surface pro. I also tested the ipad pro several times before buying my surface pro ( for up to a few hours I would day). I agree with the wiggle with N-Trig, there definitely is one, and I rely on brush smoothing software for that, it hasn't been too much of a issue for me ( Krita is wonderful in that regard).
Regarding the initial activation force, I agreed with Brad when I first bought the surface pro, but that was before I took the time to really set up the pressure sensitivity settings to my liking.
You can absolutely have an initial activation force identical to the ipad pro. I personally draw VERY lightly, because I hate to strain my hand. I can definitely make a line without putting any pressure whatsoever on the pen, just touching the screen, it is possible.
For the pressure sensitivity settings, go to the surface app ( it should be installed by default) then the stylus settings, and adjust the curve to your liking.
I would recommend keeping it neutral there (probably around 6), and instead adjust the pressure sensitivity directly in your drawing software if it allows you to do so.
In Krita, go to settings > tablet settings, and adjust the curve there.
Have fun drawing !
He also doesn't seem to realise there's a pressure curve editor on Surfaces that lets you compensate for the different pressure curve if you're into other products.
It doesn't seem to affect the high initial activation force though. It just compresses the range that can be detected. The part that isn't detected is not affected.
May you please share with me some of the artwork you've created on your surface pro? :))
Sure thing :) I'm on Instagram @lea_assako
Would you recommend surface go 8gb or a used spro 2017 for drawing? Is the pro screen huge? In tablet mode is it really heavy like if sitting on couch and resting it on legs? Really considering the go just for smaller size.
When no one sponsors you
Brad: Fine, I'll do it myself
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I thought the same thing, you never hear "and this video is sponsored by ..... Me!"
Yay!!! I was looking into this yesterday, I'm glad you reviewed it!
Since the Surface Go tends to have more jitter anyway due to lower specs, I think we really need to see how things compare on at least a Surface Pro...
I have a surface pro 4 and the wacom bamboo ink pen and actually, I think its waaaay better than that surface pen. Yeah cool it's magnetized, but the jitters and wobbles are more horrendous than with the wacom pen! Also, I got my wacom pen for £50 and the surface pen at £90....
Maybe, but these are very useful to me because I'm getting a surface go soon but have heard poor things about their pens.
I love you're website, it's been very helpful to me!
Thanks!
Perfect outro bro. Good job!
If only Microsoft came out with a Surface Go/Pro Artist Edition with matching Surface Gloves 😭
If wacom can make a pressure sensitive pen that works on all touchscreen tablet/phone (no need for tilt), it will sell like hotcake...
I think if Wacom could get tilt to feel as intuitive as it does with an Apple Pencil they'd have something. Right now, tilt feels a bit like trying to tilt Rapidograph pens. You can sort of do it, but it diesnt feel right.
I bought a universal pen. Works fine. My drawing has less spasms. But it works with surface go if you remove active stylus. Bunch of squiggles as well in lenovo m7 but it's because it has a different tablet screen protector. Works on iphone se and Samsung a20... but my target was a fire tablet. It worked.
I have to get the cheapest one. Why I'm looking for comparison. I only know these two. I'll already have the wacom battery powered but don't like battery buying..
so I do hope for a branded version of the universal pen.
Ps. I did find out wacom has a universal pen. But people don't like it. It's a blue pen. CS710B
My other brand got wet. So don't know it's damage effects. If it squiggles to much. I charge it. That's the blame.
which is almost impossible as current tablet(some), phone screens doesn't have pen support. Maybe if you could install app as driver for pressure sensitivity, and bluetooth pen with big round nib(big enough for phones to register as finger ). but i'm not sure if you can do that.
@@durururururururu It should be possible, if they really want it... business is rather complicated and just because we can make it, doesn't mean there will be a company selling it. We already have the technology (or at least something similar) to make it.
Wacom themselves already have that pen that support pen pressure on all ipad device (yes, apple only), but not on android. This is way before the first ipad pro (apple pencil) released. The pen need an active bluetooth connection. There are also other brands that produce similar pen (like Adonit). The cons is that this pen is rather expensive (>180USD) and it is APPLE ONLY.
Wacom also released a pen that can detect what you're drawing on paper and digitize it (vector graphic), iinm it also detect the line width (aka the pen pressure)... I'm pretty sure if they want it, they can easily upgrade it into stylus. Again, this stuff is rather expensive and very hard to find even back then...
And then we also have sonar pen. This one is rather cheap but since it's made by a rather unknown company, it doesn't sell very well and there's not many of them. This works on ALL touchscreen-based device. From the name (sonar) we already know it works with sound, and yes, the pen also have an additional cable that inserted into headphone jack (so I guess some of those new phones and tablets can't use this pen). And then active bluetooth connection.
So at this point, I'm pretty sure we already ABLE to make one... but the problem is rather if there is ANY company that willing to make the gamble and sell one.
Yeah, im still looking for a good stylus for my no name but really good china android tablet :(
I have an HP 2-in-1 and bought the original Bamboo Ink (with the AAAA battery) and have not noticed any of this wobbling effect. What I do notice is that the pressure is fine as a press down but if I want to lift a little too get a thinner line it drops off very quickly. So it gets a little thinner, then just stops instead of a gradual reduction in line width.
I could clearly see your hand twitching as you were drawing that "perfectly straight" line. I have the original Bamboo Ink and have had exactly zero issues with it and my Yoga C930. The Plus is exactly the same pen except you can charge it now, and it has tilt.
Whenever i have something to do, i like to have videos playing and I always say "hmm lets watch brad colbow" 😂
Brad, the shape is best described as a rotor. If you are a car guy, or a fan of engineering oddities, you will know about the Wankel rotory engines. They were used mainly by Mazda, and mainly in sports cars. The rounded triangle shape is the exact same as the shape of the rotor, or the part that dances around inside the engine where pistons would normally reside!
Wow, that wobble was extremely noticeable. I’m sitting on my iPhone 7 now and I can see the wobble right away. I had the creative stylus 2 for the ipad and it was a lot better at straight lines. The parallex however was horrible 😖
Good video. This helped me decide which one to buy
I wish you went over the convenience of programming the buttons, and particularly how the hover functionality works for the pens
you ain't half-bad' well done Brad... good and informative videos.. did an amazon search for surface pens for SB2, and was flooded in alternatives to an extent that it was nahh.. need to go to a store and try some of these out in persons..
Thanks for your candor.
Thank you for this guide^^ I recently bought a 2-in-1 ASUS Zenbook (that didn't come with a pen 😭) and I've had to do some research...I _was_ leaning towards Wacom because of brand loyalty (I've had the old Intuos Draw since 2017 and still use it today), but after seeing that jitter I'm doing an about face and am leaning closer to the Surface Pen now
I was debating on surface or iPad Pro. You helped me make a very strong decision for my purchase. Thanks for in-depth vid.
Dabby Woods iPad Pro.
I just got one of these, as I had some frustrations with the earlier version (buttons near the nib too easy to press by accident, top cap button often gets pushed in bag and runs down battery). New one largely solves those problems, but the drawing experience on Wacom AES (Dell XPS 13 2-in-1, Lenova Yoga X1) is significantly worse. Far, far more line jitter - the previous version was quite good in that respect. Driver update didn't improve it. Haven't tried it with Ntrig/Surface, but surprised by how big of a step back this is. Also, could not get my one to hold a charge for more than a couple of days - was always dead when I went to use it. That may have just been my one, which I've now returned.
Thanks for this
I have a Surface Pro 4 with latest pen (I believe), I tried a bit of sketching but always hated the wavy lines. I just recently got a iPad Pro, and the difference between the Surface pencil and the Apple pencil is like night and day. Apple got it right, with the screen protector it really feels like a pencil on paper. I'm a big Surface fan, but in my opinion, for sketching iPad is a clear winner over my Surface Pro 4.
I have one of the previous gen pens and I like it fairly well, but I only end up really using it when I dont have enough room to pull out the Intuous Pro Medium. While it works fairly well (even missing touch support), I still have a fair amount of stylus envy for the Pencil (even compared to the Grip Pen 2 on the IP....Apple's tilt support feels better I think due to the giant nib that handles side loading better).
I think the blue nib isn't for adjusting hardness but to change the shape of the tip slightly so line performance is better on certain tablets. I don't know if the Go is one of them but it is worth a try.
God, I'd love for Wacom to make a stylus that works on both tablet PCs and their Cintiqs/tablets. Thanks so much for the reviews, as always!
You and me both...I prefer the feel on my Classic Pen (and now Grip Pen 2) over the Bamboo Ink.
works on a lenovo c340 15 iwl with tilt and everything despite neither manufacturer indicating that they do
MS truly need to fix those wobbles and jitters, most of us, I believe, thought of it as just an initial first gen issue, but they simply kept up with it, because of how the tech works, and their desire to keep their stuff thinner and thinner, obviously, but really, I would rather have a 1-2mm thicker tablet, with proper pen accuracy, without the wobbles and jitters.
Hey! Am planning to buy surface go for making notes at college. Would need to use One note and other handwriting apps. I am not an artist.
Do you think surface go is a good choice?
Or should I go for something else?
My budget is 500$
Rima Dharne i say it’s good, but iPads work better for note taking. Pretty sure you can use one note. The surface go is just as good but it’s a better feel to draw with iPad. Don’t even think about getting anything above the bottom line iPad for 300$. It’s perfect. Nice screen. Plus if your not doing art you’d also be better off not getting Apple Pencil and just getting Logitech crayon for 50$. Just my opinion, chose on your own
@@rimadharne4940 The cheaper Ipads would indeed be a better choice.
Sorry for late answer.
Hope you have a good summer vacation to enjoy yourselves, and maybe catch a sale somewhere.
Is it still an issue on the surface go 3?
Thank you for tablet reviews on your website. I’ll be sure to think carefully before I buy drawing tablets.
Never even knew MS's pen stuck to the side! That's a mind blower. I'd still lose it. Anyways thanks for the video.
I highly appreciated this review. I have the same surface go, and I though the bamboo ink plus would be a better option for me, and it seems like it is not
It also depends on the program u use most have options to reduce jitter
The Surface Go doesn't have the same hardware as Surface Pro/Book 2/Studio.
So nope, the experience won't be the same. Actually the Surface pen on the Surface Go since there's no Pixelsense accelerator act more or less like on the Surface Pro 4: poorly.
So is it better on those?
Wacom pen works well on Surface Go? Photoshop...zbrush
Yeah: My Surface Go with a new Surface Pen is super disappointing... I wish the OneNote app was better on Android, because the S-Pen on the Note 8 works much better...
It does have a pixel sense display
Im more impressed by the surface go on how it performs on this video.
love your vids! also noticed you use krita, which is amazingg!
I also noticed Krita
Great video Brad, I plan on doing some pen reviews soon on my channel. I'd like to see how the cheap sub $40 pens on amazon that are MS certified perform.
2 things on this, I do think you'd get a much better iaf response with the surface app pressure settings set to "3" instead of default "7". It won't pick up the low end with the setting set too high. Just clips the data (the software program not the hardware).
other thing was mentioned earlier, that the pro 6, surface book and newer devices except the surface go have better digitizers and have less jitter and hooks on the ink strokes. Maybe 30% improvement.
Absolutely agree with you, neat idea, if you are looking for a 2 button pen for your surface that has bluetooth (I RARELY use this) and tilt support, then this is probably the best option. But lines aren't as clean as the MS pen and if you aren't using the 2nd side button (on Surface devices only programmable with the Tablet Pro Pen Tool) then stick with the magnetized surface pen. If you've never had a magnetized stylus before, its hard to think about going back without a VERY good reason.
Thanks for this video Brad! you the man!
Hey Brad! Seen almost all of your videos.
I just bought the Samsung gTab s6 8ram. I don't have this pen so I can't tell if it will work nicely but I hope that later you can do a better experienced test on the new tablet (once you get it).
See it as a "Samsung Pen" vs Bamboo. The "new amazing pen" (kinda not ergonomic) pen from Samsung, VS the Wacom Pen :P
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i love your drawing of the botw 2 trailer!
Which drawing tablet do you use as your main device?
The drawing tablet that I use as one of my main devices is a refurbished Microsoft Surface Pro 4, which has the following specs: Intel Core m3-6Y30 dual-core CPU, 4GB RAM, and 128GB solid-state drive. I also have a 512GB microSDXC card for extra storage space.
Awesome review! Super stoked for Breath of the Wild sequel!
Bummer, I would have thought it was going to be killer!
Hey Brad! Have you ever tried Mischief? If not I'd love to know what you think. Seems like a decent competitor to other major drawing apps
Does this pen sport the same features (tilt, 4k pressure levels) on all devices? For example I remember that the newer microsoft pen with more sensitivity could not be used on the old surface book, only on the new one, so I presume it was because of hardware and not the pen?
Looks like tilt is currently supported only on Surface products from 2016 and older plus a LG Gram.
Brad, would it be possible for you to compare this against the Bamboo Ink pen? I am trying to determine if the Bamboo Ink Plus is an upgrade from the Lenovo Active Pen 2, since it is similar to the Bamboo Ink Pen.
Hi Brad. Would you review this pen on a Wacom MobileStudio Pro please. Compared to the original Waco pen. Thanks.
All I want to know is what brush he uses on the ipad pro 2018 to outline his drawings.
Any idea if this supports pen tilt on Surface Pro 3? Microsoft said tilt support was coming in a firmware update, then never released the update. The SP3 is listed as a compatible device on Wacom's site, but "compatible" doesn't necessarily mean every feature works.
Nice BOTW2 art right there!
I just looked on Best Buy, the price is listed at $49.99. That way that Windows handles pen technology really isn't good, so that it may work very well on Samsung or iPad model. I do like the idea of the nib case, or the case for the pen itself.
U need to try this on Lenovo yoga
I'm looking into getting a surface possibly because I'd prefer to have a portable option in terms of drawing. I currently have an old PC and a Cintiq, one of the older Cintiq HDs without touch. I prefer to draw in paint tool SAI and no one ever seems to use it... I personally am not a fan of the rubbery plastic nib on the surface pen so I'm considering getting a different pen. I would love to get the Wacom Mobilestudio Pro but that's too much money
Hi, do you ever use this surface go. Would you say I buy this or save up more for the surface go. I want to do art and day to day stuffy. Thanks
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Hey Brad what version of Krita are you currently running on your surface pro? I just bought the surface pro 6 and man I am getting some weird pressure sensitivity issues. I had to install that extra driver thing from surface pro 4 ms site then I had to install krita 3.3 something because none of the Krita 4 releases worked with pen sensitivity. Also, I have updated windows to the latest. Any suggestions would be magic.
Do you have video that explains the way you hold the pen? Is a little odd
If letz just say I would have for example some simple cheap windows tablet with pen support, would that work, or it requires a little more complicated chips ?
Did somebody know if this pen works in the surface pro 2 (EMR Wacom system) in surface pro 3 and on they changed to Ntrigs window
can you test this on a surface book 2?
although i dont expect a difference, i'd still like to know.
for the curvy lines, its to do with poor shielding in the touch screen, and its interaction with the pen's tilt sensor. why hasnt microsoft fixed this? good question. why havent they fixed this in the newer surface go? thats an even better question. they have good ideas but they half-ass it..
Are the two buttons on the side of the barrel programmable to hot keys? The surface pen just lets you open apps or functions as right-click. Would love to set it to ctrl+z as I use with my Cintiq.
This is ink 'plus' and if you plan to buy this, make sure your device supports tilt function ( very few like LG gram and Surface devices are supported). Otherwise, not many reasons to buy plus over regular ink pen.
Can those two buttons on the side be customized to horkeys? On a Wacom Cintiq for instance you can assign it something like Ctrl+Z (undo). Very handy when drawing, and something you can not do with the Surface Pen
I'm using this with an HP Envy X360 from 2019. It kinda works for taking notes, but drawing feels horrible. Diagonal lines are wavy, and some lines aren't registered at all. Drawing dots is inconsistent, because the digitizer only reacts to movement. If you only tap the screen, it won't do anything. The pressure sensitivity reacts very slowly, and it's response changes when you hold the pen at a different angle.
I'm a complete newbie to digital and traditional art, so i don't know how this compares to an iPad or a Cintiq. I also don't know if other Windows tablets have the same issues with this pen.
I got the pen a while ago and am using it with a Lenovo ThickPad flex 5 14 which works with both MPP and WAES but no matter what setting I use, angled lines are incredibly wobbly and I'm kinda mad as it cost 100€... Even with the blue nib.
Hey Brad, or someone, did someone else get the stylus not detected one time on two ?
I can't find any driver for MPP, and every driver I found tells me "not tablet detected" on their webside.
I wonder if my unit is faulty...
Thanks !
Will this work in a dell inspiron 11 3000? I'm kinda dumb with these stuff
does this work with Samsung tab or note? what do you recommend for a universal stylus?
I have an HP zbook studio x360 g5 workstation (stupid long name) it uses AES and I get the jitter lines as well (it is irritating, since I spent so much)
6:45 this seems to be more a problem with the go. I've been drawing on a surface pro 6 for a little while now and haven't noticed any significant jitter. It behaves quite similarly to my cintiq 13hd to be honest.
What about the renaisser pen? Or is bamboo better?
I have a HP envy x360. What pen should i buy in order to draw?
I'd rather have a the quad a batteries due to I can keep replacing battery when it dies. I have an ntrig pen from Lenovo that still works after 6 years cause of the quad a battery. Also how does it compare to the original bamboo ink?
hii, im thinking of getting one for my notetaking but am stuck between the Wacom Bamboo Ink Plus and the RENAISSER Raphael Stylus 520. Which one do you think would be better?
are any of these pens compatible with the hp spectre 14?
I've checked on wacom's website and I think they didnt
update their compatibility list cuz it says only hp spectre 13 and 15 but not the 14
I wonder how this would function with a Galaxy book.
Is any of them compatible with my Lenovo Yoga 500 laptop? I checked but I could not find just the yoga 520 one...
I'm planning to get it but my laptop isn't touch screen supported, is it work also without touch screen?
But it is windows ink supported
who places the buttons where the user grips the stylus? Somebody did some careful design to screw up like this.
I have a Dell 2in1 with Wacom tech. I use the Dell pen, which is set on Wacom AES. Is this pen better for drawing? I don't care about buying batteries, I just want to know if there's a drawing upgrade. If anyone has experience with this pen in the Wacom AES setting please give your input!
What's the build quality like? The original ink has a really wobbly top button.
This drives me nuts on mine. I keep mine in a pen pocket in my bag, and the top button is constantly getting pressed accidentally, which both kills the battery and also means it can interfere with the laptop being used a short distance away... The eraser button also has a very light action on the original one, was way to easy to accidentally press it. Wonder if they've fixed that too. FWIW I've found the Bamboo Ink to work very well on AES laptops, I expect this one to do at least as well.
Brad, when you film your screen from the top, how do you prevent seeing the refelection of camera that's overhead on you screen?
I block direct light and have it coming from mostly the front usually. I usually have to adjust my blinds and move around lights and just generally fidget with things until I get rid of the reflection.
@@thebradcolbow thanks, I'll give that a go. I need to create my first software review this weekend, but fighting these reflections :)
Reauloux triangle?
Would this work on the tab s7plus? Or are there better after market pens?
does it work with pixel book?
Does bamboo ink has Left click button? Unlike the surface pen that I have, which I really really don't like.
Do you know what a good pen that works on the iPad, or it has bluetooth, so it goes through it on the iPad by someone other than an aplle pen because I already have it and I want someone else ?
Do this pen work with Smartab 10.1? If not what pen works because I bought the Bamboo and it didn't work..Please Help
Hey dude this is random but Vectornator just released an update and I was wondering if you'd be interested in giving it another look.
The triaclecircangle is called a reuleaux.
Apparently there are some monitors that are compatible with these pens as well...
Thank you . Very informative. I need a pen that will let me remap to have a one-click “undo” button 😬 I use my Surface Pro as a tablet without the keyboard and it’s a pain to “undo” in AI/PS. Anyone have suggestions? Is it possible to have undo gesture/touch option like with Procreate on iPad? HELP!
I am still waiting for a proper Wacom EMR Laptop/Tablet :/
The Samsung Galaxy Book 2 has S Pen that uses Wacom tech I believe
is it compatible with surface pro 7??
Could you help me? I need a stylus for asus rog flow x13 2021. Which would be the best for that laptop? Would it be ok for art? Or better hold on to Samsung Tab S7 plus also my wacom intuos 5 pro medium? I was considering the asus pen 2 latest, bamboo ink pro or Microsoft slim pen 2
Can someone recommend a cheap stylus or pen for my brother? He wants to learn how to draw or doodle on his iPad. All the styluses I've found seem expensive
what about EMR?
USB C, YAY. Is the "wave" depending on how fast the stroke is?
Yes, the faster you go the less it is
Is this compatible with the Lenovo Yoga SLIM 9i?
Will it work on hp elitebook x360 ?
TRIACLE CIRCANGLE!? lol
can this work for the surface pro 4? :)