Big difference in how quiet this bow is compared with the older ones. When we had a club in the 90s a couple guys had them and they were loud, a popping sound when the top limbs would slam down on the bottom limbs. Thank you.
never heard of that one, and the only time I've seen one come off is if it was put on wrong, or when a compound was dry fired. and on that occasion it also tore out a well tied-in peep and fired it downrange with enough force that it hit the butt and bounced back to strike the archer in the chest.
When I purchased my Phoenix from you, I had you guys set it up for finger shooting. When I was 'fine tuning' it to my preference for poundage I didn't even think about the let off for fingers. The Arrow rest I was all over, but thinking about it now I think the reason I was probably having the inconsistent results was due to having high let off with finger shooting. As you said, the string just wasn't coming through with that instant snap of power. I payed a visit to your friend in Cavendish and we changed everything to a release aid shooter. Putting in the peep was probably the hardest thing. It shoots amazing, just with a 5 pin sight out to 50 meters. My next upgrade will be to add a scope to it so I can push out to 70 meters. It's got so much Kinetic Power, if I screw a shot up and miss the nice soft yellow centre of the target(shooting outdoors in windy Warrnambool), it can be a 2 person job to get the arrow out, even at 30-40 meters. I can't speak highly enough of Oneida, I just love the bow :)
Steven, love your videos and specially this one. I do shoot an Oneida as well and love it .... good to see you smile when you try it out again. Let me explain you my simple method to set the drawstop.... you set one of the two drawstops to you draw length by trying and small adjustments...them thigh this one up ...then you open the second one just a little so that it can move by hand and you draw the bow back.... it will push the second drawstop to the exacte same drawlenth you have fixed the first.... then thight the second one as well and you have a solid wall ! Rg Bernd from Germany
Always been tempted with a Kestrel though £950 is a lot to spend. People seem to love or hate them and in the club I'm part of. Only one other archer likes them. Because of Arrow.
I do now hunting for deer , turkey and also varmint on the farm . I currently use a bear compound . Unfortunately I can NOT shoot with a release since I grew up shooting recurve , so I'm used to shooting fingers. I get chewed out by a few friends because I'm using my fingers and they tell me that I'm going to detail my string. When I saw this bow I thought this would be a perfect hunting bow for finger .
they didn’t choose the bow because it looked cool, when oliver’s original bow broke (it was a recurve) he needed a new bow and the product designers wanted to give him just a normal compound bow but the Green Arrow actor (stephen amell) wanted to keep it as a recurve so he got this one to have to compound bow look but for it to still be a recurve
Had an Aeroforce x80 and was by far the best bow i've ever seen!! Sad it got stolen from me after a tournament quite several years ago, could never replace it up to today
I feel like you might want to retitle this video. You provided one of the most in depth tuning tutorials I've seen for lever action bows. Thanks! If you still have the Kestrel, it might be nice to see some shorter, more focused videos on specific tuning tips.
Unfortunately Oneida has the worst customer support ever. I was gonna buy the oneida Phoenix last year so i mailed them for some info. I mailed twice. They never replied. I mailed Rpm Nitro and I got a reply within an hour. I custom made the Rpm Nitro to make it full black and I never regret it. Love the bow.
That is really great to know. I have always wanted a lever bow and have been interested in the RPM as a more budget option to the Oneida. Just not enough of people shooting them on youtube.
LOL I thought you would never had another Oneida after the viedo you did about 12 months ago when you rebuilt 1. Also you should ask you dog as you said she was the Oneida tec
I had a question about this. In the TV did he remove the dropaway as I don't see it in the TV show, was that because it is faster to shoot without it? But then you dont have accuracy, right?
Hey if you were to sell how much will you sell it for because they don’t make those anymore and I should like one and I can not get one and I checked the link and I looked up the bow and the is nothing else you built it.
Are you using finger release or release aid? If your using fingers try getting a Nap centre rest (approx $30AU) or another type of flipper rest. I use this on my RPM nitro. Whisker biscuits are fine for release aid and very popular in the US archery community. For further info and guides try Lever Lovers Facebook group, very friendly and helpful community that can help you with your bow Questions. Hope this helps.
@@chrislacey5979 I am shooting fingers with whisker biscuit. I actually shoot pretty accurate. So may i ask what the reason is why its not recommended?
@@eslixgaming756 their not recommended because of the archers paradox. Put simply the arrow when released from your fingers pushes towards the riser (body) of the bow. Not having a solid object for the arrow to press against allows for more inconsistent travel and flex within the arrow reducing your accuracy. If a whisker biscuit works for you that's great. If you want to improve your accuracy and consistency look for a flipper type rest and getting arrows with the correct spine flex and length for the poundage your shooting. It really depends on how accurate and consistent you want to be. Myself I use an rpm nitro 50-75 pound bow, nap centre rest, victory. 204 with heavy grain hunting/target tips. I've bolted on my friends whisker before. It's got great advantages for hunting but it doesn't provide anywhere near the consitant accuracy for target shooting. Hope this helps.
The old school way is to shoot w/o peep is to 1 have a consistent anchoring point. 2.just look right side of the string at the pin of choice. and shoot. also there is a way that is taught by shooting with both eyes open. It is covered in a very good video on competitive shooting. Now as for the many different cable colors mentioned. The colors have nothing to do with choice. All of the cable colors have to do with draw length and power settings in combination with the different power limbs and the short or long outboard limbs. It has nothing to do with the aesthetics of the bow. Ans this goes with all of the Oneida bows from the beginning. The color coding is to tell them apart through out the years.
Lol. Definitely don't need a bow press for an Oneida. Been working on them for years without one. If you're is really that concerned about it, you can just pick up a set of "Lever Limb Blocks" for $25 to make it quick and easy for ya. Otherwise you can just build a lever bow press yourself out of some plywood and 2×4's. It's stupid easy and anyone can do it, even if you're not one of those "handy" type folks.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale So like $720, I'm in interstate from you, but I also would've bought it at that price. Your store looks nice, I'll make sure to visit next time I go to SA
Seeing the bow with a sight on it makes me cringe lol. But thats only because i am an arrow fan. I myself shoot instinctively with this bow. Cuz it looks cooler.
Imma be real I don't own a bow & I've been to the range at least 8 times now over the course of 5 years. I really wanna get this bow because it has a unique look, there are 4 left on eBay & they aren't sold in any pro shops that sell these. Any suggestions anyone?
@@MrAngryTwinkie Not as fun, too sterile for me. I prefer trad recurves, my accuracy may be a smidge off, but i'm still accurate enough to hit centre ring. It's funny cause most compound archers migrate over to trad after shooting cp for years, for a more natural experience. Not that i'm nocking (pun intended) compund or lever bows ect, each to their own.
You couldnt be more wrong. Oneida did close the doors several years ago but it was recently sold and under new ownership so theyre very much alive. Bowfishing only. Nah. While theyre more prominent in that type of sport many guys use them for hunting and target.
Your video is nice... Thank you for the review of this bow. But sorry: your shooting with fingers is horrible! This should be No offence but help! Your shooting with fingers has 2 major problems: Your releasing of the fingers is not just relaxing - it is snapping them open... Also you first go with your hand forwards while releasing and after the shot it doesn't help at all to put your hand backwards after that mistake... When you are shooting with a Release this doesn't happen. The shot looks really nice.
Too cumbersome, lots to think about, Not what I call a good looking bow, Very bitty ? and Never seen one ?? and I`m 73, But that`s only my opinion, each to their own ?
To be honest, after shooting a few different bows here and there, my trad recurve is still the nicest i've shot... it has flaws, i'm not going to lie about that, but theres something about shooting a 1 piece recurve albeit with puffball string silencers and a bearhair arrow rest off the shelf that makes me smile. Yeah, all the newer bows, compounds, takedowns, carbon fiber this and that, they're great, but too sterile for me.
I need a bow shop like this closer to me!
Love the bow, the noise you heard was the knocking point that flew off the string.
Wish Oneida would bring this bow back, so hard to find now
The Oneida Phoenix looks like almost the same bow and its is their current top end model
Yup I got mine
26:37 One of the nocking points flew like a bullet into the target and bounced off onto the floor.
Big difference in how quiet this bow is compared with the older ones. When we had a club in the 90s a couple guys had them and they were loud, a popping sound when the top limbs would slam down on the bottom limbs. Thank you.
The brass nocking points are actually not permitted in many archery organizations because of them flying off.
like what happend to steve :-) after i shot a nock of from an arrow with a nockingpoint out of brass, i will never use them on a compoundbow :-)
never heard of that one, and the only time I've seen one come off is if it was put on wrong, or when a compound was dry fired. and on that occasion it also tore out a well tied-in peep and fired it downrange with enough force that it hit the butt and bounced back to strike the archer in the chest.
When I purchased my Phoenix from you, I had you guys set it up for finger shooting. When I was 'fine tuning' it to my preference for poundage I didn't even think about the let off for fingers. The Arrow rest I was all over, but thinking about it now I think the reason I was probably having the inconsistent results was due to having high let off with finger shooting. As you said, the string just wasn't coming through with that instant snap of power. I payed a visit to your friend in Cavendish and we changed everything to a release aid shooter. Putting in the peep was probably the hardest thing. It shoots amazing, just with a 5 pin sight out to 50 meters. My next upgrade will be to add a scope to it so I can push out to 70 meters. It's got so much Kinetic Power, if I screw a shot up and miss the nice soft yellow centre of the target(shooting outdoors in windy Warrnambool), it can be a 2 person job to get the arrow out, even at 30-40 meters. I can't speak highly enough of Oneida, I just love the bow :)
Steven, love your videos and specially this one. I do shoot an Oneida as well and love it .... good to see you smile when you try it out again. Let me explain you my simple method to set the drawstop.... you set one of the two drawstops to you draw length by trying and small adjustments...them thigh this one up ...then you open the second one just a little so that it can move by hand and you draw the bow back.... it will push the second drawstop to the exacte same drawlenth you have fixed the first.... then thight the second one as well and you have a solid wall ! Rg Bernd from Germany
Always been tempted with a Kestrel though £950 is a lot to spend. People seem to love or hate them and in the club I'm part of. Only one other archer likes them. Because of Arrow.
I do now hunting for deer , turkey and also varmint on the farm . I currently use a bear compound . Unfortunately I can NOT shoot with a release since I grew up shooting recurve , so I'm used to shooting fingers. I get chewed out by a few friends because I'm using my fingers and they tell me that I'm going to detail my string. When I saw this bow I thought this would be a perfect hunting bow for finger .
they didn’t choose the bow because it looked cool, when oliver’s original bow broke (it was a recurve) he needed a new bow and the product designers wanted to give him just a normal compound bow but the Green Arrow actor (stephen amell) wanted to keep it as a recurve so he got this one to have to compound bow look but for it to still be a recurve
Do you maybe know what is the name of this model of bow
Had an Aeroforce x80 and was by far the best bow i've ever seen!! Sad it got stolen from me after a tournament quite several years ago, could never replace it up to today
I feel like you might want to retitle this video. You provided one of the most in depth tuning tutorials I've seen for lever action bows. Thanks!
If you still have the Kestrel, it might be nice to see some shorter, more focused videos on specific tuning tips.
You willing to sell? I'm looking to buy one no where has any left in stock
Beautiful Bow.
Unfortunately Oneida has the worst customer support ever. I was gonna buy the oneida Phoenix last year so i mailed them for some info. I mailed twice. They never replied.
I mailed Rpm Nitro and I got a reply within an hour. I custom made the Rpm Nitro to make it full black and I never regret it. Love the bow.
That is really great to know. I have always wanted a lever bow and have been interested in the RPM as a more budget option to the Oneida. Just not enough of people shooting them on youtube.
I mailed Oneida and I got a reply within 2 days so idk what happened with you.
I talk to Oneida weekly...just ordered a custom Phoniex 🤷♂️
Don kudlacheck from Longview Washington was the man involved with alot of the designs in modern bows today
What a beautiful shop !
What is the name of that bow there?
Indeed it looks badass, but it seems like a pain to work with. Is it worth it over a good compound?
LOL I thought you would never had another Oneida after the viedo you did about 12 months ago when you rebuilt 1. Also you should ask you dog as you said she was the Oneida tec
great memory. Love the bows but that rebuild was a pain.
I had a question about this. In the TV did he remove the dropaway as I don't see it in the TV show, was that because it is faster to shoot without it? But then you dont have accuracy, right?
This sweater looks like medievial chain mail ^^
Hello)) What's the fps on the kestrel?
- you may know (why this model was discontinued?)
1st of all I don't hate you lol
2nd I brought the bow from over seas and shot it maybe 24 Times not really my thing I hope it gets a good home
You still selling one??
Hi, would it be possible to thumb draw that thing (of course by having the LH version)?
Hmm, I still have a Strike Eagle with the overdraw. A bit too noisy, but it is very smooth. Maybe I will put it on ebay.
Ya lookn strong Steve keep up the good work
Can you use a whisker biscuit for fingers?
What is this exact model called
Anyone know where I can find one of these left handed? Tired of two to three years searching Google with no luck!
same
What is the name of this one i know that its oneida kesrel but model
Is this bow Available for purchase still???
I thoght you said you would never sell oneida again..
I can't buy them was the issue.
What is the draw weight , you should say that in the beginning
Hey if you were to sell how much will you sell it for because they don’t make those anymore and I should like one and I can not get one and I checked the link and I looked up the bow and the is nothing else you built it.
gamngfreck cool theyre like 800 dollars or moe on ebay
Is this bow still available now?
Can you shoot the mankung cb50 with fingers?
Crazy Small Bow 😮
I shoot with whisker biscuit on this bow. Is that bad or?
Are you using finger release or release aid? If your using fingers try getting a Nap centre rest (approx $30AU) or another type of flipper rest. I use this on my RPM nitro. Whisker biscuits are fine for release aid and very popular in the US archery community. For further info and guides try Lever Lovers Facebook group, very friendly and helpful community that can help you with your bow Questions. Hope this helps.
@@chrislacey5979 I am shooting fingers with whisker biscuit. I actually shoot pretty accurate. So may i ask what the reason is why its not recommended?
@@eslixgaming756 their not recommended because of the archers paradox. Put simply the arrow when released from your fingers pushes towards the riser (body) of the bow. Not having a solid object for the arrow to press against allows for more inconsistent travel and flex within the arrow reducing your accuracy. If a whisker biscuit works for you that's great. If you want to improve your accuracy and consistency look for a flipper type rest and getting arrows with the correct spine flex and length for the poundage your shooting. It really depends on how accurate and consistent you want to be. Myself I use an rpm nitro 50-75 pound bow, nap centre rest, victory. 204 with heavy grain hunting/target tips. I've bolted on my friends whisker before. It's got great advantages for hunting but it doesn't provide anywhere near the consitant accuracy for target shooting. Hope this helps.
Can I shoot the bow of the shelf?
The Original Onieda was a Eagle H250
Damn I want that bow so badly
Literally almost impossible to find. I got mine
Does anyone know where I can get one of those bows?
The Blonde Git look it up on the internet and you could order it or go to the store they sell it from and get it from there
You have failed THIS CITY!!!
No ready men
How much does this one cost from Brazil? I would like to buy a bow like this.
$1,600 US
I sold it $500us
You can buy on ebay brand new right now for $699 US dollars. Oneida Kestrel
teamdeadon fake ones
This guy was literally in heaven
wow this is very nice
hii where can I get get bow like that
How do you shoot with sights but not a peep??
The old school way is to shoot w/o peep is to 1 have a consistent anchoring point. 2.just look right side of the string at the pin of choice. and shoot. also there is a way that is taught by shooting with both eyes open. It is covered in a very good video on competitive shooting.
Now as for the many different cable colors mentioned. The colors have nothing to do with choice. All of the cable colors have to do with draw length and power settings in combination with the different power limbs and the short or long outboard limbs. It has nothing to do with the aesthetics of the bow. Ans this goes with all of the Oneida bows from the beginning. The color coding is to tell them apart through out the years.
The one thing he did wrong was not patent his designs. Look him up. Not sure i spelled his last name right.
Junxing makes a copy of this bow now! On Alibaba it's like $240 USD
Can you tiller them for 3Under Steve?
No. They need to be even tiller at all times.
Tim wells.
"SHOOTS" at 20:30, FYI!
I shot an apple that can fit almost perfectly in the palm of your hand from 20 ft without a peep sight and I was finger shooting
He came up with the first shoot thru riser and sold the patent to Martin
Nice bow
Can we fold and unfold it as in the series?
Im sure, you just need to find the magic button.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale there is no magic button telling you about special effects during video editing?
Lol. Definitely don't need a bow press for an Oneida. Been working on them for years without one. If you're is really that concerned about it, you can just pick up a set of "Lever Limb Blocks" for $25 to make it quick and easy for ya. Otherwise you can just build a lever bow press yourself out of some plywood and 2×4's. It's stupid easy and anyone can do it, even if you're not one of those "handy" type folks.
That bow is big money how much did you get it for U.S. DOLLARS?
I sold it same day $500US.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale So like $720, I'm in interstate from you, but I also would've bought it at that price. Your store looks nice, I'll make sure to visit next time I go to SA
Seeing the bow with a sight on it makes me cringe lol. But thats only because i am an arrow fan. I myself shoot instinctively with this bow. Cuz it looks cooler.
Lol I understand what you mean. I too am an Arrow fan myself. I wanna get one & there are only three left on eBay.
Do any of you know if you can put a sight on an eagle osprey?
@@saahilminocha4403 I do not. Sorry
1:30 - did it just start pouring down rain outside? ;-)
1:50 - Ooops. I should have just waited. haha
That bow came out about 3 to 4 years ago .
2010, I believe. there are posts on archerytalk from the manufacturer announcing its release.
Great video on a very strange bow! (For me) 👍
does anyone know where I can buy this bow
Just search it’s name and their website comes up, not rocket science
I want that bow so bad 😭😭😭
Leverage or leaver!
I am trying to buy one, can someone help?
caleb bernal theyre sold out everywhere. And they stopped making them try ebay. Easily paying more than 700 though
There are no string siclancers.. not a fair assessment:
That bow looks like a mechanical nightmare ... compared to a common compound this is complicated ....
Very interesting stuff. Most people have no idea how much this man donald kudlacek did
when i shot at the elf club... here they were weird too
But season 6 bow good too
Imma be real I don't own a bow & I've been to the range at least 8 times now over the course of 5 years. I really wanna get this bow because it has a unique look, there are 4 left on eBay & they aren't sold in any pro shops that sell these. Any suggestions anyone?
You want this bow you mean because you saw it on arrow lol 😂
It looks like a Rube Goldberg device. A lot of struts and cables and wheels to accomplish a very simple task. I prefer a recurve.
Faster than a recurve though.
@@MrAngryTwinkie Not as fun, too sterile for me. I prefer trad recurves, my accuracy may be a smidge off, but i'm still accurate enough to hit centre ring. It's funny cause most compound archers migrate over to trad after shooting cp for years, for a more natural experience. Not that i'm nocking (pun intended) compund or lever bows ect, each to their own.
Mmmm very interesting :)
nailed it the first time. they look cool to non-archers.
SHOW! good nicy
Watching this because i can't afford it.
its becuase oneida bow are a dieing bow company. the only thing those bows are good for is bowfishing in the states
You couldnt be more wrong. Oneida did close the doors several years ago but it was recently sold and under new ownership so theyre very much alive. Bowfishing only. Nah. While theyre more prominent in that type of sport many guys use them for hunting and target.
Your video is nice...
Thank you for the review of this bow.
But sorry: your shooting with fingers is horrible!
This should be No offence but help!
Your shooting with fingers has 2 major problems:
Your releasing of the fingers is not just relaxing - it is snapping them open... Also you first go with your hand forwards while releasing and after the shot it doesn't help at all to put your hand backwards after that mistake...
When you are shooting with a Release this doesn't happen. The shot looks really nice.
Too cumbersome, lots to think about, Not what I call a good looking bow, Very bitty ? and Never seen one ?? and I`m 73, But that`s only my opinion, each to their own ?
To be honest, after shooting a few different bows here and there, my trad recurve is still the nicest i've shot... it has flaws, i'm not going to lie about that, but theres something about shooting a 1 piece recurve albeit with puffball string silencers and a bearhair arrow rest off the shelf that makes me smile. Yeah, all the newer bows, compounds, takedowns, carbon fiber this and that, they're great, but too sterile for me.
First
How much did you sell it for?