Toilet Supply-STOP using PEX
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- For water supply termination, just use a drop ear, nipple, escutcheon, and 1/4 turn valve. It can easily be changed, unlike a sweat, crimp, or expansion fitting. A drop ear and nipple are very rigid and look professional and clean. PEX is great for transporting potable water, just stop letting it hang out and show.
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As a plumber its not about what you want its about what they are willing to pay for
Most new construction jobs you would never get the bids if you were this guy. They are using plastic stops and nylon braided hoses along with glacier bay toilets and glacier bay faucets 😂
Now they have to worry about it leaking pex is the way n more if u do it right his just adding more shit that can leak
So how much is that hardware he's if you don't min Ball parking
@@oxcartracing id say 15-30 more dollars for each waterline stub out. Try that with a bid for say 1000-15000 condos/townhouses/single family home projects. You would never get the bid. Thats why you also see alot of illegals working the trades as well. Has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. It has to do with builders contracting the cheapest people and cutting corners to get these jobs done as cheap as possible. Not only pocketing more money for themselves but also for the clients who funded the builds.
Lol exactly
I just run garden hose in the wall. That's actually the easiest way. Plus you can get garden hose in many colors
I hope you are kidding. Unless you use a special kind, they are not rated for potable water.
@@joea5183 I drank out of a garden hose my entire childhood... When were you born? 2000? Garden hoses rock.
I too drank from the hose. I personally like the Goodyear hose. Plus get some quick-connect adapters, that way you can have multiple options.😮
@@AnonAmerica11 😂😂😂😂love it man still running around and sometimes that sun warmed water in that garden house cannot beat it
@@TheJbordo8
Yes, best flavor is hot hose water.
80s kid here.
I don't disagree that it looks better but one of the biggest advantages of pex is it reduces the number fitting in the wall. I'd rather minimize potential failure points.
We do too, this just happens to be a way to trim out that sets up for longevity, service, and aesthetics. PEX straight out reduces fittings until it has to be cut off to change a valve and is short so into the wall to add a coupling and more fittings 🤷🏼♂️
You wouldn’t have to open to wall. It actually takes just about a minute to do the job if it’s stubbed out properly with PEX. The truth is just do what makes your customers happy. I know mine truly could care less. So i do what makes me happy! As long as they’re paying!
Ditto… me too
I agree 100% with this comment. I just find out they sale sleeves to put over Pex. Still the nipple looks better even then pex with the sleeve on.
@@RabWorks_LLCuse a compression stop and then they are rebuildable
Oh yes, the very first thing I do in someone’s home is look at the piping behind the toilet and under the sink. If I see pex we leave immediately.
As you should. If they don’t care about that, they surely don’t care about you. Likely have 1 ply toilet paper waiting for you too 😂
@@RabWorks_LLC this comment is dripping entitlement
That would be just as well for that homeowner I'm sure. Seeing a particular issue involving your line of work and running from the issue is not good business. A *"real professional"* meets the challenge head on to offer a genuine solution to their clients. Pathetic, If you are a plumber you're not cut for it. If you're thinking about being one, Don't..😂
Whatever you have in your trailer is your own business.
The guy on the clip is just trying to school all of the self taught, or taught by the clueless,how to do things right.
This is just one of many examples.
We use copper stub outs and connect them to the pex in the wall, then mount the copper stub out with a pipe mount, so it doesn’t move around when installing shutoffs.
Drop ears are way too pricey for this. Just do PEX to copper stub outs
Or just make it a standard and charge accordingly
@@RabWorks_LLC I have never done, or seen anyone stub pex out if a wall. Always used copper stub outs myself and that's all I've ever seen anyone else use. Screw using a brass drop ear, that's bananas. Just burning money.
@@RabWorks_LLC adds extra work when you can get bullets. Lmfao keep wasting your money.
The drop ear is a great idea, it nice to be able to use a valve with threads very professional.
@@petem6291 there’s no need for it.
Good idea. Was at Home Depot and had to shit and left my stuff outside the bathroom and when i got done, they had already picked it up and put it all back. Saw this and went this way.
Haha glad we could help!
Whatever you do DON'T BUY 1/4 BALL VALVES FROM HD! The "1/4 valves" they sell are NOT ball valves, they just have a crappy plastic insert instead of a ss ball. Complete garbage! Buy your 1/4 turns from McGuire or Dahl or another reputable brand.
I think that is why old country buffet went broke.
Musta been a HUGE 💩...
@@kyrebanorg9897 oh my god such an absolute tool bro who cares. It does the job.
Completely agree. Was helping a friend redo a bathroom last year, and when he asked for help, some of the sheet rock was up and the plumbing for the toilet was already set, and pex was coming out of the wall. So I found these chrome (plated) covers to go over pex tubing. So one day when he had another obligation I fixed it. Also replaced the old rusty line going to the toilet and a few other details he said were "good enough". Yea, if I am helping its gets done right.
They make chrome sleeves that just slide on to the pex after drywall is done to make it look exactly like that without buying a dedicated drop ear 90
Yup but then you have to cut them off and possibly tear into the wall to replace or change later.
Yeah, this is what I have...but also, I used white pex in the event that I ever have to cut the chrome cover off.
That's what I use as well. It has the advantage of allowing all the PEX crimps to be outside the drywall.
Classic example of the one plumber guy we all know
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I totally agree if your rehabbing or even building a house but if it's already built and you're just trying to take out the old and put in the new before it penetrates either comes up from the bottom or down from the top it's easier just to connect at that point.
As a diy and handyman, I've been doing this for years. This is the first time I've seen someone suggest it. I made my own copper stub outs and they were never as solid as this. I do it for sinks too. It makes it so easy to replace a valve if you need to.
That’s great!
That’s all fine and dandy but unless you are just all about making a profit you also have to cater to different clients not all of them are in a position to afford the xtra nice perks. A lot of times plumbers are doing this for a less fortunate family and the plumber is barley making anything or nothing at all. So I use the PEX out of the wall all the time on that type of job. However if they can afford the upgrade and have a much nicer quality finish then that is fine. But by no means does it make you look like a hack unless you are not providing what the client payed for. Everyone that owns a business needs to take on a certain amount of charity work pay back to others when GOD has been good to you!
Amen❤
How much does it cost to install a drop ear pex 90 ? Stop being lazy , that floppy pex pipe going through the finished wall looks like sh*t
Amen.
I was building 200 homes a year priced between $400000 - $3.2 million and none of the builder or individual owners are willing to pay extra for that
100% agree. I offer customers the option and always get whatever is cheap. Most don't care if a pex is out of the wall.
Fantastic! Thank you, I was getting so disappointed in PEX with valves dangling out in the air with no support, this is the solution I was looking for.
I always use the copper stubouts with the plate
The best way in my opinion. Solder on a male for IPS or Compression Stop.
Do you videos?
@manuelgarciap5536 no but if you ever have a question I would be more then happy to give you an answer
Leave drop ears for shower assembies, use pex to copper stubout mounts! Also, if you go that route make sure all three items (drop ear, nipple and angle stop) are all made of the same material. e.g. brass, stainless or copper, or you'll look like a hack and be sorry later.
Stub outs are fine and work too. Yup, don’t want dissimilar metals 👍🏼
One solid argument for a drop ear is a problem I encountered in an old federal building (I only work in old federal buildings, or on them, around them, and in places they serve). 3/8" chromed brass pipe broke off in the wall at the slightest provocation. With PEX, or hard copper, etc I'd have had to knock the wall out for an in-wall break, which is fun in buildings with more asbestos containing materials stickers than electrical outlets. Instead, an internal pipe wrench removed the 1/2" of threaded pipe, and the pipe was able to be replaced without damage.
Remember, all new construction will eventually become old, and possibly very old, construction. Some of the places I go were built in the 19th century. Most are 1920s-1960s. PCBs, lead, asbestos, and people who will do scary crap like cheat a motor into an AC and tap into the plug but stuff a 5 ųF 460 volt capacitor into the non-rainproof cableway above an A coil condenser so that you can be glad you removed it before it killed someone. Not every job has time for the level of quality that I'd like, but I don't cheat with gas, water, electricity, or power transmission.
I use gate valves. When they get a leak you can just rebuild it and it’s pretty much as good as new, most of the time.
Same here, just put new stem and seals in it, done. I’m not going to shorten the PEX every time. They sell brass stems as well. I just got one but haven’t put it in yet.
I do like the method in the video too tho.
We use copper stub els sweated into a hold-rite, then compression stops during set outs. Sits a lot closer to the wall and looks great!✌
We typically use copper stub outs nobody ever complains around here about them and they are easy to get ahold of in case of a repair and won’t ever rust like your nipple will… but I do like this idea!
That’s good. Stub outs would be our second options, but we don’t love compressions and not as many trims easy to find. We’ve never had a brass drop ear to brass nipple have issues corroding
Yeah this is like high end aesthetic work, I’d do something like this only if a customers asks for it. Otherwise copper stub outs is the way to go for sure. Keep things standard and uniform, I’m a service person I loveee when things are “normal”
You get get chromed plastic sleeves and p traps at Ferguson around my area. Other then then I try to use mom and pop supply houses
Brass nipples won't rust
I DGAF if the supply lines are INSIDE of a cabinet or vanity. But on exposed lines like a toilet, and wall mounted sinks, I have done a drop ear with a 1/2" nipple. I've done copper stub-outs as well.
I totaly agree with you.
Youre way looks way nicer.
Some contractors don't care how it looks as long as it works, and well when we present this solution it gets shut down quickly because of the over head. So what they ask for is this since its cheaper. Thats why they leave it out a few inches, so it can be fixed a few time before you have to tear into that wall.
Its never upto the person doing the installation in new construction 🤷♂️
I like the drop ear as it is just secured better and when done right, your supply lines won't be flopping in and out of the wall. Plus its only like 10$ or something more.
Thank you for spreading the good word my brother!
Our pleasure!
Had my pluming replaced with pex b the plumber used copper out of every wall.
That’s great to hear. PEX hanging out looks tacky
They only use pex stub outs in my complex. The pex is stubbed out using a formed plastic, long-sweep support 90, complete with a stud bracket. No connections hidden inside the wall either. I'm not huge on the look, but it works and doesn't leak.
We get it, we are usually doing high end bath remodels and that look doesn’t really fit with everything else
This is a great idea. I'm doing this for my whole house plumbing reno. Thanks.
I use copper stubouts that are made for pex. Only one crimp connection right there behind the drywall instead of a crimped connection and then a threaded connection as well. Every connection is a potential leak. Your idea is much much better than just pex and talon hangers with some sharkbites and white plastic scussion
"escutcheon"
@@superdupert6 lol I threw that in there to see if anyone would catch it. You are the winner
I always stub out with copper, I stated plumbing with copper for almost 15 years before I went with pex, and still used copper to my stub outs, and for my shower valves.
That's exactly what we do! Whitehouse Plumbing, Roane County, Tennessee!✌
Depends where you're at. Not everyone putting in plumbing in million dollar homes. There's neighborhoods where if you're there after dark you might not be doing plumbing the next day.
So dramatic. Bahahaha what takes longer here? "million $ homes" have city building rules that you can't build after 6pm or sundown anyways. So...
@@djaa7 I was referring to the hood homes where they start shooting after dark. Maybe you didn't grow up in same areas I did. We saw people get shot in broad daylight working in some places. Some houses going be ruined by the first tenant anyway so it's just get it working so the slum Lord can start getting rent again or start evicting them.
@djaa7 that comment was about working to a low price point, not the time of day.
They make sleeves to go over your pex stems. Just fixed a whole house full of those in a size that isn’t used or made anymore. People shocked the well and used way too much chemical. Then left it sit in the pipes for 8 months instead of flushing the system. Same place had the original toilet in the basement bath. Switched that out. Here they wet set the toilet on the flange while the concrete was setting. Literally see the indent in the concrete.
Thank you! We recently went and looked at a model home in a new subdivision being built. We noticed all the supply lines sticking out the walls were pex. It just looks cheap! We walked out...
Hey Picasso, one could argue and say by using a pex bend support you have zero connections in the wall that could potentially leak. So people are not concerned with the cosmetics of a 2” inch pipe sticking out of the wall.
You could try to argue that, but we’ll just save you the trouble. A bend support and short piece of pex. Great now crimp or expansion fitting your trim/valve on. Ope, now it’s time to change the valve. Lucky plumber gets to tear into the wall now just to put a coupling (leak point, due to connections, like you said you wanted to avoid). Some clients are more conscious and want everything to present nice, even the small details.
Ok Hotshot. How many angle stops have you replaced on pex stub outs?? When installed properly you have enough slack to pull enough pipe to connect a new angle stop 🤡
@@tacklebox6239 thanks for all the nicknames, at least you recognize quality and use quality names to refer to us. If it’s in a bend support and properly connected to the stud, there likely isn’t play to do as you say. You do you, tackle box.
It’s okay. They have little sleeve to hide the blue pex pipe if it doesn’t match the color of your purse.
@@tacklebox6239 so cut that sleeve and the pex to change an angle stop? Seems like a waste.
As a man who just replaced all of his polybutylene after 34 years.
I am proud to see the pec sticking up and showing. 😎
Things like this separate you and your work from everyone else. QUALITY is ALWAYS job one in plumbing.
😎💪🏼🔥👊🏼 you get it
I am a plumber and I've come across those drop eared ells in the wall with nipples coming out. Does look better but the nipple carodes where it goes into the brass and leeks after time. Have run into that problem several times.
This should be the standard. Great video, thanks
We agree. Thanks, Scott.
To be completely honest. Every re-pipe I’ve done I insisted this. People don’t want to pay the extra cost my brother
Use Holdright brackets and stub out in copper.
Karen california we have prevent copper ninety, Already narrowed doand capped, With a propressed adapter at the other end. That way you just use a hold right like conventional old school plumbing. And everything stays rigid and pretty.
Get the Dahl angle stop with built in bell escutcheon. No extra fittings and looks great. Is a little pricey but worth it.
The real hack job is an escutchen plate that just dances off the wall because it has no backside for double sided tape, or is not caulked, or doesnt have a captive retention device to be affixed to a fastened backer.
They have metal teeth in the inner diameter that grab the pipe.
@@Valient6 For about 2 months.
Hate seeing PEX looks so cheap and unfinished
We concur
Only last 50+75 years as well
We just use white pex instead of blue for cold so it looks better sticking out of walls
Better, but not great
I do the same. 😂
This is a great solution. Looks way better. I hate copper stub outs as they are usually really thin anyway.
This is always our go to 💪🏼
In Australia we use a lugged or backplate elbow, pex doesn’t come out the wall
We usually use a copper ell that stubs out copper and attaches to pex in the wall.
This is too expensive but I like it
In europe we dont have the nippel, we just make it flush with the wall and the valve screws directly in
Nice
The simplicity of european design, love it
This is how it's done properly, good shit man.
You know it! 👊🏼👍🏼😎
In Florida, leaving the pex out of the wall is the way to prove you have a pex house, as the inspector has to take a picture of your piping under a toilet. This is for insurance inspections.
Additionally, there are no connections in the wall to leak with the pex 90'd out.
1/2 drop ear itself is like 14 bucks. The nipple 5-10 depending on finish x2 for every fixture.
Charge $350 then that $30 part means nothing
Do you pay for the parts or the customer?
I prefer pex stub outs. And i don't mess with crimp pex. Only expansion pex.
Not bad! Never thought of that. Nice job. I will suggest that next time i come across that.
You should!
Electrician here. From now on when I dabble in plumbing I shall follow your lead.
We love this setup!
I completely agree with you. Pex out of the wall or floor looks terrible and when used it turns a serviceable joint into a plumber only service joint. I do think that the pricing from plumbers needs to start decreasing. Due to the fact new technology has cut down half the labor time. I give it five years to offset the cost of the new tools, after that there’s no excuse for the price to stay the same.
there are sleeves of preferred color to cover the pex.. ive never changed a 1/4 turn pex stop 22 years in the business btw.. i get it some clients are neat freaks but the 50 bucks added cost for threaded connections inside walls behind each toilet is not ideal imo..
Thanks for sharing
didnt know there were sleeves, thanks for the info.
So many of these so-called plumbers should know that wouldn't you think?
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If money wasn't your only concern.
Let me understand. Pex is a pipe of choice where freezing conditions don't destroy the plumbing in the wall when the house freezes. Now if my stubouts are metal and will freeze and bust behind the wall but it will look better till the house freezes.
Looks great! Thank you for the tip.
Well damn he's a plumber I wouldn't mind hiring
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Only have done that once but I used chrome sleeves. And Oddly enough it was in a 3 million dollar home lol. Now I strictly use copper stub outs or if it real high end and depending on the fixture wings ells that accept brass nipples.
Am a plumber/pipefitter but I have never worked on pex pipe before
I get paranoid that the threads in the wall will leak over time
Prolly will…. Guess what won’t tho… pex
@wilsonwallace8755 Taking advice from someone who says "prolly" would be the last thing someone should do.
Do the job properly and you'll have no leaks a hundred years from now.
@@ricos4700 what you have against the word prolly, it’s just probably abbreviated…
Sounds like a way to charge the customer more than necessary
Of course the guy with the name rosenstein is upset about the money you aint even charged 😂
Here in New Mexico i see the plumbers use a copper stub out with a crimp end for the pex no nipple like this only for the tub spout
I've been doing HVAC for 20 years. Been in thousands of new construction. Never once seen pex sticking out of the walls. 🤯
See it all the time where I am. Most of it’s the white PEX so it actually doesn’t look bad.
It looks better but some folks don't want to pay for anything extra 😂 but you get what you pay for
True!
If you're a plumber using PEX, you're a HACK! 😂
Literally. Cpvc looks so much better
Don’t matter pex does the job
Drop eat plus nipple plus threaded valve good chance of leak
Pex easy to repair or replace
Slip covers available too
, you forgot to show my favorite PEX stub out option where they don't even have a shut-off or angle stop, just a direct pipe right to the device. A foot and a half of blue PEX pipe is gorgeous going to a toilet.
Yep, add another completely unnecessary point of failure to the plumbing line for purely and subjective aesthetic reasons. Makes total sense.
Only a point of failure if you don’t know how to seal threaded joint haha
I am SHOCKED at what you guys allow as standard over there. I’m not saying it doesn’t work, but if ya gonna have pex sticking out that wall, why even bother with cornice or other finishes.
Since my company doesn't provide these, I'm stubbing out pex. If the client will pay for it, then yes.
Pex in cabinets, copper for toilets is how we do it, however I do wish we went back to our bullet stubs for the cabinets, makes for an easier install and looks much cleaner
Fair enough
The blue pex sticking out the wall has never bothered me. The least amount of fittings is less chance of a leak.
I been plumbing 5 - 10 million dollar houses and we stub out pex. Its cut at 3 to 4 inches from the wall and we use brackets.
Depends on the quality of home. if it's a high end custom I'll just cpnvert to copper in the wall.
I have had problems with the valve cracking there made cheap with thin walls at the threads so I would rather use Pex just keep it short and neat no leaks
I couldn't agree more now if we could stop professionals from using pex b also.
Copper stub outs are our preference. Rigid, clean, repairable.
It looks great, but you just spent an extra $18 for a nipple and drop ear instead of two dollars for a pex 90 per valve.
You can also get a preformed copper L for eight dollars
My supply house also sells copper stubouts with pex adapters already attached to em
If you like those, that is great
As a plumber I love your work.
Thank you! We love to hear that!
Copper stub outs are king the only drop ears I’m using are the shower heads but for kitchen faucet, lavatory faucets, and toilets are copper stub outs. There cheaper. Compression fittings work just as good as IPS fittings
Most people dont give a shit as long as the toilet works and dont leak.
The important thing is that it runs water. If you buy a house to impress others than you’ll never have enough
I do agree I just brought a new house bunch of pecan sticking out of the wall hose attached to things. I was even scared to attach a spray we in my kitchen sink, because the pecks was so flimsy made out of plastic with a plastic nipple cutoff. I was afraid that me moving the sprayer hose and nozzle in and out of his hole would snapped at pics, and I will have water running all over my house.
Yikes 😳
I usually use solid gold stub outs. Don’t have to worry about corrosion. Not a whole lot of meat left of the bones after the job is finished though.
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It’s also three more joints yeah may not be pretty but you run manifolds and home runs so you don have a bunch of joints joints leak cause problems and call back or one run one fitting one joint less likely to leak its function over form
I wish they would just make toilet and sink boxes like they do for ice makers and washing machines. That wold be far better.
I might need to double check in to what sizes those ice machine ones are as they might work for toilets if you use the matching hose end.
Your absolutely RIGHT, but people don't care about looks anymore????
I'm right there with you.
Run pex to a drop ear for days, but stub out with brass.... coated however.
The only thing you left out that would have really made everything pop is the finish work with the corresponding riser.
I am less preferential to it, but I'm not opposed to the gray pex for risers. I tend to lose my composure if someone *else* went to the trouble to run a chrome nipple to a chrome shut off with a chrome riser.
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The point is that it is _intentional_ and although you purchase them in bulk at the same length and cut them to size, bending them as necessary, they are properly sized and fitted to your application.
It's almost like someone cares.
The stainless steel braided supply lines come in different lengths but it seems that people rarely size them and everyone winds up getting a 20-in supply line whether the actual distance is only 6 inches or 10.
The pex-a escutcheon i use sits flush with no visible tubing.
Yeah they look alright, but sucks you have to cut it all off and are then likely short when you go to replace a valve
We run pex all through the house we use a copper stub out for sinks and toliets.
Thank you I have most of the parts I’ll make the changes.
Right on!
It's a good aesthetic suggestion but the smugness with which he's saying it makes me roll my eyes
The photos show PEX installed incorrectly. You dont see the pex pipe at all. Pex to copper stub out with a compression fitting it all you need.
I connect PEX to copper pipe and 90. Always secure to a piece of backing. I prefer compression angle stops
Thank you for saying escutcheon correctly. I can sleep now. 😴
Sleep well, friend!
My builder used galvanized pipe, yup rusty water every morning. At least pec doesn’t rust.
Now the problem is the drywaller comes in drywall’s over top of it and you have a leak in the back on that plastic tube and you can’t reach it. Oh boy.
Thanks Rob!
And is only 9x more expensive for functionally the EXACT same thing.