Patagonia Fleece Comparison: R1 Air, R2 Techface, Better Sweater, Synchilla
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Patagonia fleeces compared. If you have questions about any of the fleeces covered or experience with other patagonia fleece leave a comment. Thanks for watching!
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I don't comment often but this review is very good, straight to the point, with the alternatives presented in one review. I like this format.
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This is very good information. I was so confused by Patagonia's numerous offerings before watching this video. Thanks.
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Excellent review. I wish more reviewers had personal insight in their reviews.
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Great video. Love the details you provided especially on the R1 Air. Thanks
Thank you for watching. Glad you liked the video.
Found this review very helpful, thanks for the comparisons.
Awesome. Thanks for watching!
Nice work Don, keep up the great work!!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
All Patagonia “tech” full sleeve jackets have sleeve lengths super long so that when you bring your arms up the sleeves still cover your arms. Its apparently by design
Fantastic video. Ordered myself a Better Sweater yesterday. Thanks!
Glad you liked the video. Enjoy your better sweater. Thanks for watching.
@@Lonefyre1980 Thank you pal. Arrived a few days back and I love it.
Love the R1 Air and the R2. My only complaint with the R1 Air is I wish it was as long as the R1 or R2 Tech. I'm a pretty tall person and it's just slightly short, especially in the crew. The hoodie is good for me though.
You've actually got a huge pocket in that Better Sweater on the other side. The access for it is on the top of the jacket. It is huge and goes all the way down to the bottom.
Top vid Thx for overview
I've been looking for something more technical, that I can wear in wind + light rain conditions, but I've never been able to find something from Patagonia that I like. The R2 seems sort of what I've been looking for, but not quite.
Thanks for the video
Decent review, thanks.
great review
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Great vid
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i find it hard to understand the whole patagonia products/offering. this video really help me to understand better.
some western youtuber said a R2 with a simple base layer can cover you below 10c or even below 5c, I really can’t do that.
anyway, my point it, having an asian body type to feel and share all the combination really help. thanks.
Thanks for watching. Glad the video was helpful.
Their sizing and material for better sweater is anything but better. I have early better sweater that fits perfect, and last year I want a black one and the same large is spacious. The material is also different and started to pill immediately
Thanks for watching! When I bought my better sweater I tried one on from the previous season in a different color in the store. I did notice a difference in the fit, particularly in the forearms and wrists (previous season was more fitted). However I didn't like the color so I bought the one I have in the video. As for pilling, I've actually had pretty good luck with mine.
@@Lonefyre1980 yes, that’s exactly my finding also. The newer one is made for gorilla arms.
nice review! its crazy that they made the breast pocket so small.
Nice video!
Have u noticed any pilling on the R2 techface jacket?
Hi. No piling on the R2 Techface. The techface material is sttetchy and very abrasion/snag/wind/ fairly water resistant at the cost of some breathability. Thanks for watching!
Ordered R1 air as a more breathable fleece for hiking. My other fleeces were too hot to use. I’ll let u know what I think.
Cool! Hope the R1 air works well for your hikes. Thanks for watching!
Hi, Great review! Your watch also seems really cool, may I ask the watch brand and which product? Thanks a lot!
Hi. Thanks for watching. Watch is a G Shock GW-A1000FC. I don't know if it's made anymore because I bought it about 8 years ago.
Great review! Where did you get that R2 colorway?
Thanks for watching! I bought my R2 almost 3 years ago directly from Patagonia's website. I don't think they make it in this colorway anymore.
I wish on the r1 and r2 for example the the chest pocket was on the inside instead of out. Would look cleaner and also more professional for someone who wants to dress it up and / or use it for the office.
The R1 Everyday Jacket has a chest pocket that is more subtle than the R1 Air. It's still on the outside, but all you see is the zipper (similar to a better sweater). You may want to check it out. Thanks for watching.
I have to wonder whether the r2 techface might be a bit cooler if it were a size larger.
Thanks so much for the video! It’s quite difficult to find a comparison between r1 and r2. Highly appreciated! I was wondering if r2 would be a better match when hiking at the temp. around 55 degrees and just having a windproof shell on…but at the same time I might do some downhill skiing at 8f. Would it work well for both cases? What do you think? I’m looking for some kind of universal midlayer to replace my 5-years old the north face summit fleece.
The R2 Techface is a lot warmer and more wind resistant than the R1 but at the cost of some breathability. At 55 degrees with hiking or doing anything physical, I personally would probably get hot in the R2 and would prefer the R1 air. Skiing downhill in the lower temps you describe would be better for the R2. Depending on how warm/cool you personally run, you may even want to consider the down sweater as your insulated layer for single digit temps or negative temps. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
@@Lonefyre1980 thanks a lot! How would you compare R1 Daily with these tech options? Have you had any chance to test it or hear something from others? Btw, what’s you opinion on Arc’teryx Kyanite AR?
@Alexander Ionkin the R2 is always warmer than any R1. The techface material (both on the R2 and R1 techface variant) are going to be more durable and abrasion resistant than the R1 Daily which is a little more casual vs. technical. I have no experience with the Arc'teryx, so unfortunately can't give you a solid answer about that. From what I've read, it seems to have a similar function to Patagonia's techface offerings.
@@Lonefyre1980 thanks a lot for your reply and sharing your opinion! Appreciate that!
The R2 is a great piece. I think pound for pound it should be considered as their best jacket yet. Warmth to weight ratio is great, doesn't pill much like the better sweater and it doesn't look too techy that you couldn't wear it to the pub or around the office.
On another note I think patagonia should consider discontinuing the better sweater as it pills so much and all that over time contributes to a lot of pollution...if we are all trying to do our bit for the planet. The synchilla material is awesome as that also does not pill as much.
The R2 Techface's combination of warmth, relatively light weight and wind/abrasion resistance are definitely a pretty sweet combination. I do wear mine both in the office and doing outdoor activities. As much as I like my better sweater I just don't wear it quite as much to prevent it from pilling/snagging.
Why would they discontinue the Better Sweater!?. Its one of the best selling items and the most iconic along with other casual classics. Mine does great as a casual wear sweater. Of course i am not mountain biking with it because its not that breathable and technical but it has excellent build quality and is a very good mid layer. It could be a bit more windproof but that's not what it's intended for
Thanks for the video! I’m currently trying to decide between the synchilla vest and the better sweater vest as a mid layer between my wind breaker and sweaters. Why did you get the synchilla vest over the better sweater vest?
Hi. Glad you liked the video. Honestly it came down to looks. I already had the better sweater jacket and did not want it as a vest. I prefer the more casual look of the synchilla for a vest. The synchilla also is less prone to snagging. Both are equally good as mid layers and will keep your core warm. Thanks for watching.
I own the better sweater and synchilla and as @DonX80 says, the better sweater pils more easily, so if you'll be more active with it I'd go with the synchilla. I just hate the piling look after a while and I'm strongly considering selling my better sweater and just get synchilla pieces. I think they will last longer if you generally lead an outdoor active lifestyle. I feel better sweater material is for the house and office. I have young kids at the moment and my better sweater looks ruined already after a few months just with the hustle and bustle that your clothes go thru with kiddos.
I have 2 Better Sweater Vests. Worth the cost comfortable,resilient to wear and tear and very warm!
I really like the shade of blue that your better sweater is in! Can you share the color?
Dark Borealis Green. Not sure if they have that color now. It's more of a Blue-green or dark teal shade. Depends on the lighting. Thanks for watching.
Very helpful. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and hang out in both San Francisco and San Jose, two extremes of bay are weather. I am looking for a jacket I can wear in both locations and walk my dog. The R1 Air with hoodie sounds like a good fit. I tend to heat up easily so I need something that breaths. Thanks again
Glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Great review!! 1 question tho, can u fit an iphone pro max in R2’s chest pocket? Or the chest pocket is too small like the r1
Glad you liked the video. You probably will not be able to fit an iPhone pro max in the R2 chest pocket. My regular Galaxy s22 is a tight fit ( I have to put it in at an angle for it to fit). Thanks for watching.
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Good video, was wondering do you know what the thickest fleece is that Patagonia offers? Thank you
Hi. Thanks for watching. I'm not 100% sure which fleece is the thickest, but my guess would be the Retro Pile or Retro-X fleece.
Thanks for the video! How does the R2 Techface compare to the Arc'teryx Fortrez?
Thanks for watching! Honestly I have not tried out the Fortrez. From the descriptions I've read online it looks like a similar concept to the R2 techface. I'm not sure what the outer material feels like compared to Patagonia's techface but it seems to serve the same purposes: abrasion resistance and some water resistance at the cost of some breathability. I don't think you can go wrong with the Arc'teryx or the Patagonia. It may simply come down to fit, price, and personal style/color preference.
@@Lonefyre1980 Gotcha, thanks! I love my Fortrez for winter running in the 20s, but unfortunately, Arc'teryx doesn't make them anymore. I am down to the R1 Air vs R2 techface (I think R1 techface is probably to thin).
What's your thoughts On the R2 Tech face or any other fleece mid/outer layer for fishing in 40-55 down by the river. I often hike down a couple miles to spots come in contact with some brush etc so want durability and probably get the sleeves wet occasionally. Once fishing a little stationary but still moving up and down a river worried the r1 lineup might not be warm enough, but the r2 maybe a little hot hiking in. Want something to wear alone over a base layer. Cant get both atm lol
Hi. Thanks for watching. For what you described, between the R2 Techface vs R1 Air, I would go R2 Techface. The DWR finish will keep it somewhat dry(er) if you get it a little wet, plus it is definitely more abrasion resistant and far less likely to snag on anything. The only (sort of) drawback is it may get a bit hot if you are moving and hiking a lot. It is a very warm technical fleece. On the flipside, the R2 Techface is also better against wind, so if you're dealing with wind as well, it is still the better choice IMHO for what you described.
Always wondered what was warmer and cut the wind better, the r2 techface or the nano air.
Good question. I don't own nor have I tried the nano air. My guess is the nano air insulation would be warmer, but it touts breathability as well...So if it's more breathable than the R2 Techface, then The R2 techface would be better at cutting wind... Like I said, just a guess though. Thanks for watching.
What would you recommend for a 30-50 degree weather? I’m debating on getting the nano puff, r2, and a down sweater. I have the aconcagua 2 jacket from north face and it’s not cutting it.
Hi. Depends on if you run colder or hotter, what type of conditions, activity level, and what you layer underneath. The Patagonia down sweater is 800 fill power. It is definitely warmer than the nanopuff without being much bulkier or heavier and of course warmer than the R2. That being said, in slightly wetter conditions, since the nanopuff uses synthetic insulation, it will hold up a bit better. All have a DWR finish. In a downpour, it's best to have a shell over all these jacket. All are great choices in sunny, dry and somewhat windy conditions (nanopuff and down sweater better against wind than the R2). In my experience, ( and I tend to run hot) with proper layering underneath, the nanopuff is adequate down to around 30-35 degrees. It gets kind of warm (for me) when the temps are closer to and above the 50s. At that point I reach for the R2. The down sweater will keep you warmer in below freezing conditions. The R2 is awesome and is almost as warm as the nanopuff. In my experience if you are doing something active like running or hiking, the R2 with a good base layer will probably keep you warm down to the upper 30s or low 40s. It's also more breathable than the nanopuff. So in short, down sweater is warmest overall, nanopuff is a little warmer than R2 if you are not being active but it is less breathable, R2 is breathable and very warm if you are being active but not as warm as nanopuff or down sweater if you are not moving around much. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
At 40 deg, I take that you are located inland. Just saying, I’ve starting to notice how much humidity does to feeling warm. In more humid climate, lean towards breathability.
@@Lonefyre1980 thank you! I bought the nano puff from REI, ended up returning it because my current jacket is warmer than the nano. Looking forward at buying the down one.
Do you own any of their puff jackets? Would this be suited to be worn under one in winter? I wear one of their uprisal hoodies under the nano puff jacket, but this setup struggles to keep warmth below zero celsius.
I own a nano puff and the down sweater. The down sweater is definitely warmer than the nanopuff. I have used a base layer ( I actually use an Under Armour Cold Gear) plus the R1 or R2 techface under the down sweater depending on activity level/windchill and find it is plenty warm. I add the Patagonia Ascensionist shell if there is precipitation and a decent amount of wind. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Hi man! Do you know something about fit in R1 techface? Is it like R2? I have body parameters like you, like 5,8 and 150. Do you reccomend take R1 Techface Xsmall size?
Hi. Thanks for watching. The R1 techface fits pretty much the same as the r2 techface in the chest in my experience. The sleeves may be just a tiny bit longer on R1 techface. You may be in between an XS and S for sizing depending on how you want it to fit. Both are meant to be pretty form fitting. I only usually wear a t-shirt or thinner long sleeve baselayer under my R2 techface. It's best to try it on at a store. If you can't do that, you can always order both a S and an XS and return the one you don't want. I've done that before and Patagonia's customer service is awesome. Hope this helps.
very good video ! thxs . I like your T shirt too and I wanted to know the brand . Bye :) !
Thanks for watching. T shirt is an Eddie Bauer Legend Wash.
i am looking for a patagonia fleece to golf in, thinking about the R1 Air Zip-Neck, any reccomendations?
Hi. Thanks for watching. The R1 air is a great option as it is very breathable and you are unlikely to overheat. That being said, if it is very windy, you will feel it. Another option to look into would be the R1 Daily jacket which also has a half zip variant. I prefer a jacket over a pullover but that's just me.
So for x-country skiing R1 and for alpine mid layer R2 - is that a fair comment ?
Hi. Yes, that's probably pretty accurate. Thanks for watching.
r2 warmer than r1, is it also warmer than the better sweater? or better wind proof?
Hi. R2 techface is definitely more wind resistant than the better sweater and in my opinion, about equal in warmth. Better Sweater is more of a casual piece where the R2 techface is a more technical piece. Thanks for watching.
would you consider the R2 a soft shell?
Yes. The R2 Techface could definitely be used as a softshell. I think Patagonia now makes a hooded version as well. Thanks for watching!
Hi, which one do you consider warmer between R2 TF and Better Sweater (consider no wind)
I was thinking about getting a Better Sweater (for warmth) then I saw R2 TF and thought it might be better because I can use it also for mountain activities.
Hi. R2 TF is warmer in my opinion and also less bulky. Because of the techface it's also less prone to snags. Better Sweater is definitely less technical looking and a bit "dressier" though therefore may be more "office appropriate" if that is even a factor. I reach for the R2 TF more often than my better sweater. Thanks for watching.
@@Lonefyre1980 thank you for you reply!!
Its interesting you went for the Medium in R1. I am taller than you at 5 11 and I wear S and its supertight but not short or uncomfortable. I find the athletic fit to be great for outdoor activities as it doesnt get in the way and doesnt allow any air to get between my base layer and the hoodie. I have measured out the length and sleeve length of the R1 against better sweater and its literally the same down to milimiters, so its just tighter, as it should be. I think its a waste of money buying a technical fleece piece that fits loosely since you loose some of the capabilities that the fabric offers.
Thank you for watching. Right, I probably could have done the small, but for what I wear underneath, the medium was just more comfortable in the chest, shoulders, and upper arms. The small also rode up a bit in the arms when I raised them (okay when my arms were down). The medium sleeves are a bit longer but the cuff is small enough that it stays in place, does not droop over my fingers, and still holds warmth in. Basically it came down to what was more comfortable to me. For the weight, warmth, and breathability the R1 is pretty awesome- technical and casual use.