I'm sorry for the background noise 😅 There was a crazy typhoon, and a lot of rain and wind was splattering on my window! Also, let's remain respectful in the comments and allow the police to continue with the investigations quickly and smoothly! Hopefully justice will be served ASAP. ❤
They never learn they make innocent people who have a minor involved in a case, like the real offender or make the involvement as the same level. It's wild and if you try to correct it you just get blocked or a bunch of insults and gaslighting their views it's the only right one
Keep their mouths shut about a serious crime like this. Fine OK... But why didn't yall do the same and kept throwing hate and dragging it for weeks for a mistake where no body was harmed and that person clearly apologised and paid the necessary fines even before the news came out.
FINALLY THE TRUTH, I'm so tired of all these rumors and fake accusations. I feel so bad for the real victim seeing everyone make Taeil's crimes about themselves. Please don't trust what is online, especially social media!!
I think it’s perfectly reasonable for us to feel personally impacted. It’s strange but, so disappointing. We know nothing about the victim. So it’s difficult to think of her first. But, my sympathy is definitely for her, not him.
Nowadays everything is weird . On every corner there seems to be an accusation against whoever of everything and nothing, which is dangerous because it hurts real victims of real s****x crime
@@kelli35but y other nct fan,especially TAEIL BIAS IS SUPPORTING HIMM?SO DISGUSTING,🤮🤮🤮WHAT IF ITS THEIR FAMILY NVOLVED?ARE THEY GONNA SUPPORT THIS BITCH 3VIL PERSON🤣
Hard to trust anything here. Korean police have been shown to lie or coerce for the outcome they want. Idols have done crappy things and lie, netizens have been proven to lie for attention. It’s a whole cluster.
There's too many spaces IRL or online that are passive. Add to that netzeiens being so passive on these kinds of things, no matter country of origin or where they live... it's truly shows how emotionally devoid so many people are in this world.
some nct fans are voicing concern for the group's future and disregarding the fact that someone's life was disturbed and this person is traumatized. it really is disgusting.
Exactly!! I got into an argument with someone who was making up rumours regarding Taeil's case and claiming it had been confirmed the victim was a minor and he was a part of the nth rooms just because I said people shouldn't believe anything that hasn't been proven by police, even if it's from someone who's claiming to be a victim because many people just pretend to be victims for clout and it actually hurts real victims more. They then accused me of being the one hurting victims because "you're always supposed to believe victims no matter what" to which I was like "unfortunately no you can't blindly believe anything anyone claiming to be a victim says because you don't know what the truth is and people like to make up lies just to hurt people.". Then I said something that really infuriated the person I was arguing with. I said, "People should remain impartial and unbiased because, until it is proven he is guilty in a court of law, Taeil is innocent.". I swear it was as if I'd said the worst thing imaginable, when that's literally how the justice system works. Lol.
For me, when I heard we should just believe the victims, it meant to take them seriously. It did not mean you convict someone in the court of public opinion without evidence. The alternative is to assume everyone is lying, which is worse and discourages people from coming forward. We've seen it happen too many times that a victim makes an accusation and is not believed and they continue to be victimized. What needs to happen is when someone says they have been hurt by someone else, we take them seriously and investigate. We don't spread unfounded rumors and we don't automatically assume folks are lying.
@@kickrockspleze not only is it not wrong, it is exactly what everyone should do. You always wait until you have all the facts before making a judgement.
BRO FINALLY THE TRUTH!!! I keep seeing so many people spreading rumors and fake stuff and everyone actually believes it. It's genuinely so annoying. Thank you ploopy!!
The problem is people believe anything they read online... the "truth" was there from the start: the official statement the SM published and the korean police clarification on the victim's age. As for the real full truth I doubt we ever get the details. Personally I think it's the police duty to properly release a statement just to clarify what's the confirmed crime without details (out of respect for the victim). Society deserves to know which crime this man committed and the punishment they're giving him (hoping it's fair, unlike the punishment the BSS dudes got).
we seriously need to do something about the lack of media literacy in fandom spheres. it is INSANE to me as a pr major that people blindly believe things without even checking for a source??? i hope the victim gets the justice she deserves and while i can understand the frustration and curiosity to find out what happened, we have to come to terms with the fact that we might never know. for now, we have to stay vigilant and report any misinformation as such!
I just spent 2 days trying to explain language intricacies and slang meanings. In the end it was completely pointless as this person was not going to deviate from their perceived interpretation. It was pretty discouraging actually. It wasn’t about T but I do agree it’s a problem. No good is going to come from this fan trajectory.
Cuando una mentira se dice tantas veces la hacen parecer verdad. la gente es muy descuidada con lo que consume en redes sociales. que inventen cosas solo hace que se pierda el foco del caso real, y desestiman a la víctima.
@@seok437 I tried so hard to read your comment but alas I had to translate. You are so right. I agree. I also follow other topics and they do the same thing.
You're a p.r major, so i'm suprised you're shocked when people hire p.r companies to help distort the truth. Like c'mon. 😂 Misinformation/Disinformation is a part of your industry.
Isn’t the idea of a beloved idol assaulting a woman bad enough? Why do people need to sensationalize things even further? Don’t get me wrong, I usually want to know about the drama, but this stuff is serious.
If they don't, it won't be taken seriously. If people didn't speak about it and blow it up into a big thing, very little would've happened to him. Online rage mobs get a LOT more done than you might think.
i hate those people who turn something so serious into a fanwar. we don't really know those people, we only know their public persona and what they let us know. we shouldn't blindly say such things.
Now why are you brining up false information about taeyong in a video taeil?? This is literally defamation yall weird one sided beef with taeyong is pathetic
I've been an NCTZEN since 2018, I even watched their vlives before when vlive was still a thing before, and I always see Taeil as someone who's quiet, but not at the point that he won't talk to anyone, he also looks out and takes care of his younger members, so to know all these things about him today, it is beyond shocking.
This just shows you that you don’t really know someone on camera a lot of us have parasocial relationships towards our idols or groups and it makes us actually feel like we are “close” to them and we relate to them and they are approachable but in reality we do not know them personally their personality not on cameras because believe or not, we will only see them on cameras or fan meetings or short interactions unless you know them personally in reality they are really different from us a different level many are millionaires in actuality there is a big difference in millionaires than ordinary folks a lot of things ordinary folks go through kpop idols can never relate because they never experienced it this is just something completely foreign to them same as them to us riding planes just like cars, dying hair every month, is normal to them performing in front of millions, we will never experience and also you have to know in kpop industries idols being “relatable” is a big selling point in fact feeling parasocial towards idols thinking about them almost everyday thinking we really know them is the main target in fact companies likes that that way there is fans buying thousands of albums or more just to meet idols etc but we need to know that we actually don’t know “them” just “them” on camera. I also love stannning idols and I do but we should still remember we don’t really “know” them as much as it seems like we do
You know damn well putting Taeyong's allegation which was proven FALSE is not the right move. You said you will edit out his part according to Taeyong fanbase but you haven't. JUST SHOWS YOUR REAL INTENTIONS
I just hope we can eventually find out the truth on this. I love NCT. I will not stop loving them. I support them. But if he's guilty, he needs to be punished. I'm just saddened by this. He has an amazing voice. He's ruined his life. He's ruined this woman's life. But stop assuming things. They are still investigating.
That's absolutely her prerogative.She's well within her right to want to carry it out as privately as possible. I can only imagine the h@te and har@ssment she'd get online and irl from just random people bc Taeil is super well known. You wouldn't believe how many ppl still ride for Seungri even after the burning sun thing. Even as a VIP, I can't let all that slide.
Hahhahahaha,coming from nct stan ,bout suga?spreading misinfo Creating bad reputation of him Making him feel CRIMINALL THATS CALLED KARMAA WHAT GOES AROUND,COMES AROUND,BITCH😜😜
@@Miori_the_cat23407not just victims. It is straight up a lie to make a person a perpetrator. We dont even know if Taeil has done anything at all. It's just investigated. People act like he is guilty
You’re doing a good job educating. A lot of K-pop fans are young and don’t realize what they say online does indeed have an impact. I hope all the victims in this terrible case receive justice.
Putting a literal CHILD’s selling his TOY misunderstanding with the buyer along with literal adult rape crimes in the same video? Obviously you are trying to generate hate towards him and equate them as if they are same level of accusations. Irresponsible and hateful.
Ms Pang, I suggest you edit your video if you want to keep an ounce of integrity in your work. There are plenty of other SM artists accused of actual crimes while they are active idols. But you chose to mention something that was accused 15 years ago that was not a crime? Your bias and hidden agenda is showing.
People outside of Korea don’t seem to understand just how strict Korea’s defamation and libel laws are. You can still be rightfully sued even if you’re telling the truth. If they consider it “not in public interest” you’re going to jail and paying a hefty fine
Thank you for making this video, the (mis)information going around internet was so contradictory that I was really confused. I hope this case is addressed with the respect and sensibleness it deserves
Hello, Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation.
I simply commented that he was accused (which he was) but I never said he was guilty of anything. This isn't considered defamation nor is it false to state that he faced an accusation.
@@ploopy678maybe add some remarks in your comments section that Taeyong case has been debunked & the accusation is not true to avoid more CONFUSION to your viewers. We're asking for your help.
@@ploopy678and what exactly does any of that have to do with taeil’s case ?? exactly nothing. so instead of arguing with ppl asking you nicely to take it down maybe be a decent human being and listen. If not, have fun with the legal action taken against you
@@ploopy678 are you okay? You literally said he SM stand with him but they never did and you used his video with taeil along with caption he apologized crying that says everything about your intentions you clearly spreading misinformation and comparing 13 years old teenager having argument with customer over toy that got damaged in the process of delivery who got proved innocent with actual serious crimes it's a defamation
@@ploopy678but that has nothing to do with the subject at matter from your video? the accusations on his name were debunked too, if you are talking about a case where the accusations were true and the ex idol faces punishment you dont have to include taeyong's situation which is wholly different and another nature seeing as he was also a victim of fake claims.
Please remove and edit out Taeyong's name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion to your high engagement viewers. Putting a false case along side actual crimes are wrong things to do. Kindly do the needful. edit: creator has fixed her mistake, thank you
This hurts, especially because I am an NCTzen. While Taeil is not my bias (thankfully), the impact he has on the group's structure especially in 127 was undeniable. I mean, great vocals, but this whole situation about him is truly hurting me a lot, like WHY TAEIL, WHYYYYY? The only thing I wish for this is justice for the victims and that the other members heal from this huge heartbreak. EDIT: I really just hate that ppl actually starts false rumors and make this about themselves or use it for fanwars like.. that is just next level stupid and highly disrespectful for the victims of these crimes. Like, THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. SHUT UP. STOP MAKING THIS AS A "GOTCHA" MOMENT FOR YOU TO PULL UP YOUR FAVES. YOU ARE PATHETIC TO EVEN THINK OF STARTING UP FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO DUG DEEP AND ACTUALLY PROVIDED WITH HELPFUL FACTS I actually honour you so much for this and I agree with everything you said. All this really hit all of the members and fans like a truck and no one was expecting it. I honestly feel so bad for the members since they just have felt so betrayed by their, now ex member. They didn’t deserve it. Also just seeing how they react is just so heartbreaking. All the members who were at the airport for the Thailand fan sign were hiding there face and doyoung was spotted with tears in his eyes, haechan writing his letter to indirectly tell his views on this situation, Taeyong deleting all the pictures with Taeil on his Instagram, etc. I really hope they are okay and that the fans will support them always. They don’t deserve any hate they might get due to this because they severed ties with him as soon as they got to know. NCT FIGHTING💚💚
All I can say is I HOPE HOPE HOPE they found out the moment it happened and not the other scenario where they knew for awhile but didn’t say anything Cause once again we don’t know how they are once the cameras stop rolling and the doors are closed.
@@AstarionWifey you are right. I hope for it too. But I have faith that it’s true because seeing the members it really feels like they are genuinely taken aback by the sudden changes. Also the video from Doyoungs Tokyo concert really just breaks my heart my heart😭. He was so upset and when he said that we may take a break from being an NCTzen but he will always be there was the end of me. I cried buckets and my heart aches for him. We will always be there to support you NCT💚
The only thing that has been confirmed is that he was charged and the case has been handed over to the prosecutors and he has not been detained. Anything else is speculation and rumors.
Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation.
Mentioning a scamming allegation as an example,which is not even a registered case /issue as the other mentioned things (or as bad )as SA and DUI allegation is definitely a choice.... If it's by mistake then ,No clarification given in the video neither the description
Pathetic n embarrassing! Defamation towards Taeyong! We are reporting your channel bcoz of this! Remove his name now! Are you sick? "Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation!"
I love NCT (not a Taeil bias) but I never put the members on a pedestal or get parasocial with them because I was a big stan of Kris Wu in EXO. I used to thirst over him, think he was the perfect bf, used to be delulu cause I have the female version of his chinese name and we have the same birthday. Like how ppl had comfort anime chatacters he was my comfort Kpop fantasy. When he left EXO that shit was painful and I over ate for 5 days to deal with that pain. And look how that turned out. I learnt my lesson and never looked back.
I hate how people are so quick to judge and grab an opportunity to make accusations. And when you try and tell them it’s false suddenly you’re worse than the criminal. But all of my support to the REAL victim(s) ❤
As someone who has actually had to report someone for abuse, these people spreading misinformation make it worse for the victim. Let the investigation run its course, speculating can totally ruin or damage a case. You really care about the victim stop spreading anything that can’t be verified.
@@brittanys505 You are a troll who supports this stupid video and all those who support abusive idols. What you have said is really stupid. If someone claims, like the propagandist of this video, that another person is spreading misinformation, they have to prove that they are spreading misinformation. Otherwise, they can prove that they can claim whatever they want as long as it suits them and their interests. The only ones who are spreading misinformation are those who support the criminal Taeil or abusive idols, the problem with those who do not support him is that they are telling the truth
@@Mariajbh2 Did you not watch the video? Police has said that the alleged victim he's being investigated for is an adult female (19+ by Korean law) but people are spreading rumors about minors and grooming and relying on posts made by someone whose case was dismissed and who's probably not even talking about Taeil. Also, the "new Nth room" and unproven celebrity rumors. Whether in Kpop, Hollywood, or especially politics, y'all about to learn sooner rather than later that a lot of the famous people on TV you look up to are pigs, but it ain't all the ones you think. And in order to properly discern WHO did WHAT, you need to value the truth over your bias (both in Kpop and regular terms).
I feel like I keep seeing people talk about the situation like they know all the details about it and I kept trying to find an official source that would confirm anything and I never could. We really need to stop all the insane rumors. It's okay to let the investigation happen and learn the details another time. Thank you for speaking against all of the insane rumors. Spreading rumors is the single worst way to actually help out the victim.
That's why I never get personally attached to any idols anymore. It's okay if you support them for their work. You love the persona they created on the internet. But in reality, you truly don't know them. I learned my lesson from the Seungri scandal. Taeil is just another example.
@@Atinywithsocailanxiety well this content creator is also doing the same thing - spreading misinformation to hurt Taeyong by bringing up old accusation from 15 years ago when he was still a child and sold a toy that was damaged during shipping.
Honestly, after what the police did to Lee Sun Kyung, and what the internet and SM did to Lucas, I have no idea what to believe. I’m waiting until there is something proven. Not because I trust Taeil, but just because most people who make accusations have proven that they also cannot be trusted. Just sucks all around. And if there is another Nth room nonsense, then send all those users to jail too.
Very true, I still get odd comments for wanting to wait for more information, but it's definitely better than gobbeling up every stupid rumour that's flying around. In this particular case some of the rumours were so outrageous I'm kind of surprised people believed them without questioning (like the molka for 6 years thing, how would he even manage to do that?), but that's humans for you.
I agree and with so many illegitimate sources and everything going around, it is very hard to know the truth. We as outsiders may never know the truth. Accusers also are not trustworthy and not saying Taeil is innocent for sure, but we honestly just don’t know.
No matter who the victim(s) is/are (Unsure if it is just Agnes, or multiple adult women, even if there were minors involved), if what Taeil did is true, he should be treated the same as other sex offenders and be made to register for life. There is way too little information on who the victim(s) are and the extent of his crimes as of Sept 9th, but for SM to kick Taeil out so quickly means this must be serious. Justice for the victims regardless.
@@POP-nm1ix I actually need to find a way to see if Seungri is on SK's Sex Offender registry because I don't recall Seungri getting sentenced to register for the Sex Offender's registry. But for Taeil, it means that he must stay away a certain distance from the victim, and if serious enough, from Children and he won't be able to get jobs that deal with vulnerable people (like teachers, doctors, etc.). Hopefully, that's the case...
I can’t help but be curious about what taeil has been accused of exactly, but at the same time it is definitely for the best this case is kept as un-sensationalized as possible for the victims sake.
Thank you for debunking these rumors. I love NCT and these accusations are devastating. It kills me how people will readily believe any bad thing folks say about someone. The truth is that all we know is that he is under investigation and the person making the allegation is an adult woman. Folks need to calm down and wait for more information.
Having dealt with the rumors and BS with WONHO in Monsta X, I know that clout chasers will make up rumors to get attention. Wonho was innocent yet to this day his ex members can’t speak his name in public, SSE has scrubbed all evidence of Wonho ever being in the group, and Wonho had to start over as a solo artist. I wish people could just wait until info comes out and not spread misinformation
I am super confused with how SM handles their artists scandals because they were quick to act on Lucas’ scandal even when media was able to find evidence of his innocence. SM took him off of their stuff so quickly, which was heartbreaking. Til this day, I am STILL waiting for the release of “Jalapeño” with Hendery 😭.
When I searched for Tail's alleged crimes online, I saw disgruntled 'fans' spreading baseless rumors. This right here is what makes it hard to believe anything anyone says resulting in actual victim's voices being drowned in the masses. Also, I feel bad for Taeil cause when the police's investigation is over and these alleged crimes are proven true his life and career are over. And if he's proven innocent his life and career are still over. Because let's face it South Korean fans are brutal and known for how vengeful and vindictive they can be. Nothing's been proven yet and there's already fake articles about it. The entire situation is disheartening
I understand feeling bad for him if the allegations were proven false, but why pity him if they're true? Sure, the misinformation being spread everywhere is making everything worse, but he's an adult man and he should be held responsible for his actions. If he didn't want his life to be ruined and his career to end, then he shouldn't have committed SA!!
@@shigetora2196 what I meant to say was I pity him if he’s proven innocent. As of right now I still pity him since nothing definitive has been released yet. These feelings are bound to change as the case progresses and police results are released. I’m basically moving on innocent until proven guy. Yes he’s a grown ass adult man, who’s capable of knowing what he should and shouldn’t do. But as of right now nothing’s been released confirming or denying anything. We’re all entitled to feel how we feel.
@@BlessinginBloomI agree and many are jumping the gun too fast over just allegations so far. Honestly, even if he was innocent, his career and reputation are over. But his life would not be over because he can still live a peaceful and low key life away from all this mess. If he is guilty, I hope he pays for it, learns and becomes a better person.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj Exactly! If he’s innocent this allegations have already done the damage to his career. And hopefully he can live a peaceful life away from the preying eyes of people. But the scary part is there are some “fans” who won’t let go and will still bother him then. However if he’s guilty of what he’s accused then let him pay greatly cause that’s unacceptable. Also these so called fans need to stop already fake news it’s hard to find what’s true or not
You are so pro!! 😄thank you for explaining these FACTS so clearly - I was unaware of some of it. I side with Taeil - I don't believe he would abuse anything....💗
oml be safe in the typhoon! but fr this situation is so shocking. he always seemed to be so sweet and the fact that it probably aided him in doing horrible things is so horrifying. i hope the victim is able to recover as much as they can soon ❤️
why would you even include TY in this video when he has nothing to do with the topic, i don’t know why you thought that a baseless rumor (that was proven to be a misunderstanding YEARS ago) should be on a video about rape, SA and DUI. This is defamation, leave ty alone
this is one of those things where people will look back and remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when the news broke out. it still doesn't feel real. i hope taeil is punished to the fullest extent (but knowing korean laws he'd probably only serve a few years), and may justice be served for those hurt by taeil. taeil is a scumbag through and through, he deserves nothing more than to be shunned.
I'm actually devastated and really disappointed because NCT is my ult group and I have so many of their songs on my playlist many of which are my favorite songs. I can't listen to them anymore without bitter feelings after knowing what he did. I hope SM would consider rerecording because NCT127 has an abundance of skilled vocalists but I'm not too hopeful for that...
as an NCTzen i honestly was conflicted if i continue to listen to nct songs with him at 1st. Still, then after some thoughts it hit me that by doing that it would be like punishing the other members. they did nothing wrong, so I decided to respect the members' efforts and talent so I'll keep listening to those songs, as sad as i am, i will not let him ruin my love for NCT's songs, he already made enough damage to the victim and for the group !! bad ppl should hold no power...
Look you are entitled to feel like this, but his behaviour should no affect the rest of the members. I would continue to listen to their music and supporting NCT . And if someone thinks is not right, I am sorry but this is how I believe is right. Sorry for the victim not for the perpetrator, and the companie and other members should not be affected by it.
It’s actually so annoying that kids on Tik tok or chronically online twitter kpop stans spread these rumors as if it’s the truth and that they know everything that’s going on like can we just wait until there’s actual information? 😭💀
clout chaser and deliberately use taeyong as bait for your content about a REAL CRIME. How do you need to use a rumor circulating on pann when you are supposed to talk about a sex crime under the police investigation? DON'T FORGET TO REPORT THIS ACC ON RUclips TOO FOR COPYRIGHT ISSUE
Not literally the kpop fans still going on in the comments about how “devastated” they are from learning how their fav is a trashy human. Instead of sympathizing with the victim they make it about themselves and how “unexpected” everything is. The truth is nobody really knows their favs, it’s only their stage image
There are many young fans and this may be the first time that someone they look up to is accused of something like this. Even adults struggle to sympathize with victims of such an unimaginably awful crime. Overwhelmingly I see people ready to believe the victim rather than denying the possibility altogether. Fans don’t express everything perfectly but I think that the intention is still there.
@@bunnihanni replying to all three of you. Did I say their feelings were not allowed? Yeah they can weep over the fact that their oppas aren’t innocent angels who can do no harm. But they can try to be a little more less selfish and stop posting about their woes everywhere online when the actual victim and her family/friends who was literally SA’d is probably watching this video and reading the comments about how her rapist’s former friends are acting like their whole world collapsed because they thought her rapist was an angel before and it seems like no body even cares that she got SA’d and they only care because their fav committed SA. These fans can express their feelings maybe in private to their friends or families and not blading their grief all over social media. a chunk of those fans here actually cares about the girl that got SA’d they only care about their fav committing the sa. Yes they might be young but that does not mean they should all blindly puts their trust into someone who doesn’t even know that they exist. Hopefully some people can take this case with a grain of salt and realize not everyone of their favs can do no wrong. And also I agree that some fans are being logical but it’s still a delusional portion that’s acting like their world just fell apart.
i had to do a triple-take when i saw the first headlines, even now it hasn't fully clicked with me yet. there's a lot of misinformation out there, so i'm happy this gives much-needed context to the whole situation
Thank you Ploopy for debunking a bunch of these theories and reminding people at this point that we just do not have any facts. Spreading rumours isn't going to help the case in any way, so people unfortunately just need to sit tight and wait for the legal proceedings. Also from following this case it's super obvious that people just don't understand what SA crimes are. People think that it's all violent or blackmail or super obvious. But there are so many subtle and insidious ways that perpetrators can abuse their victims. My ex was so good at hiding it with almost everyone I knew, and it wasn't until way after that some close male friends told me about the bad vibes they got off of him. He was so so charming and most people are still to this day absolutely gobsmacked when I tell them what he did. Someone who's still a good friend of mine carries so much guilt that he was a big part of us getting together and it led to years of my torture. I don't blame my friend at all. My ex was an expert at charming people and making them believe whatever he wanted. I didn't even realise how bad of a spot I was in until years later. Everything that I went through was manipualtion, cooersion I didn't even ralise was coorsion at the time, and verbal abuse. And my ex got away with it because ultimately I have no proof and I don't want to retraumatize myself by going through something that will ultimately probably just end in nothing. I am in no way saying that this has any relation to Taeil's case, other than the fact that sometimes you just don't know a person as well as you think you do. He definitely was never even on my radar as someone that could be a perpetrator but the fact that SM removed him so quickly does not give me a good feeling about it.
Thanks for making this video.. I remember when the news first came out that I thought it was fake or something because it was so wild to me.. Taeil had been one of my favourite members of the group so I just felt betrayed and kind of dumb and since I don’t have Twitter or anything it’s hard to get info so Thankyou!
I’m going to be honest rn, but we don’t even know if the accusations are true. So I don’t get why people are already blaming him for doing it. Like what if he is innocent? Then what? Will people still hate on him for something fake? Now, I’m not saying this because I think he didn’t do it or I don’t care. But I’m just trying to tell people that we should be praying for him. Praying that all of it is fake. If he is innocent maybe the victim was assaulted but not by him? But she could be making it up for all we know! Don’t hate on me for saying that I’m just listing options. Maybe someone who had similar features to Taeil did it and she mixed it up. Or it was all planned? The reason I’m saying this is because I get the people that are shocked and upset with him , but honestly we have no answers to wether this is true or not so I’m going to pray that everything goes well and the accusations are false. If they are true then that doesn’t mean I will still support him. So please don’t hate on me because I’m saying this.
In the official statement by SM, they have specifically mentioned the word "indicted" which means formally charged by a grand jury, which usually means that they have quite strong evidence against him. And we know SM, they usually do not go to the extreme lengths of kicking a member out unless it's actually very serious. The worst they do is give a hiatus. So if the company is taking such measures, then it must be that severe and damming.
Please remove Taeyong name from ur video, the rumors proven wrong and defamation for Taeyong. Please be more careful with this kind of thing coz it can be bad for him. If u wanna talk about taeil then talk about him all u want but don't include Taeyong false rumors! It's harm him a lot!
As an infrequent listener to NCT. This definitely came out of the left field because I don't think anyone expected it. But it shouldn't be surprising because idols only show a better side. A favourable side. They are still human and it doesn't make them any better than the rest of us. They can still cause inhumane acts. Just hope NCT fans and Taeil fans are able to get pass this.
As a infrequent listener to nct I don’t like any nct members But him being the one rlly shocked me He’s literally the only one I wouldn’t expect bcuz his persona is simple person it didn’t seem like a persona at all
Honestly idk who to believe anymore and I’m still an Nctzens at the end of the day but I will make sure to stay aware because we don’t know which kpop idol could be next
I remember reading a blind item from I think NatePann a year or so again discussing male idols and delusional female fans thinking they were 'better' than other men, and it specifically referenced a member of NCT that has an 'innocent' image that fans would be shocked to know the truth about. I've never followed NCT and didn't know anything about the members so I didn't think much more of it, but since this situation broke out I haven't been able to get it out of my head.
The problem is there is no information. All we know is that there was an adult woman who filed a legal complaint for unknown sex crimes and he was accused of being involved. That is the only fact that is indisputable. We don't know what the actual crime was nor the extent of his involvement and that bothers people. Others see a way to capitalize off people's need for information and they make up scenarios that get them the attention they want and give others the information they crave. When people have already made up in their minds about someone's guilt, then it is easy for them to believe all the negative things they read and hear.
The first one is was proven fake, also apparently there are other accounts linked to this person and they have been posting such things about multiple idols. There is another channel that dived into this person and posted all her internet accounts that they found, also she deleted some of them.
@@hellothere1381 considering the earlier evidence of his charges pointing that the victim was an underage woman and it was now said that she’s an adult woman, I wouldn’t say my statement had no basis and meaningless. The point of my comment is to say ‘hey, it might be like this’ without spreading misinformation because I’m not involved in the case.
I appreciate your intention to spread information about this man's case but I think it is unnecessary to include other people's name from a whole different case. You're only adding fuel to the hate towards Taeyong who didn't do something wrong. Please delete that part or delete the video if you will still insist that you did not do something that affects Taeyong's image just by mentioning that he was "accused" of scamming. You're already old, please do better.
When I saw the title of the video, I got immediately annoyed, but thankfuly you're one of the quality content creators that does their own research and doesn't blindly believe eveerything that anybody posts on the internet. Thank you for that! Let's just wait a bit more, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough what happened and what Taeil really deserves.
Oh I'm so grateful. I've been saying so many of these things since the start and people refusing to believe. I was going to make a video with all the actual facts, but you have done it. Instead, I'm just going to share and recommend your video. Thank you so much
LEAVE TAEYONG OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY. Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is defamation.
are y'all in a group chat where you chatgptd a response with a tone of a lawyer that you copied? ❤ You slipped up with the paragraph in all caps at least the others tried to make it sound serious🤭😂❤
I'm sorry for the background noise 😅 There was a crazy typhoon, and a lot of rain and wind was splattering on my window!
Also, let's remain respectful in the comments and allow the police to continue with the investigations quickly and smoothly! Hopefully justice will be served ASAP. ❤
its fine❤❤from hk as well lmao
wait ploopy you're from hk? same!
@@abbieie287 Hk ganggg
@@yourlocalkpopfan_0 yasss
Well back here in the Philippines we are under a typhoon under a heavy circumstances of rain under six days but we're fine now
Netizens should really learn how to keep their mouths shut when a crime as serious as SA is involved, but I guess they'll never learn
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They never learn they make innocent people who have a minor involved in a case, like the real offender or make the involvement as the same level. It's wild and if you try to correct it you just get blocked or a bunch of insults and gaslighting their views it's the only right one
Unfortunately, I think the nature of Kpop fandoms has promoted (or at least facilitated) this kind of behavior for so long
Keep their mouths shut about a serious crime like this. Fine OK... But why didn't yall do the same and kept throwing hate and dragging it for weeks for a mistake where no body was harmed and that person clearly apologised and paid the necessary fines even before the news came out.
FINALLY THE TRUTH, I'm so tired of all these rumors and fake accusations. I feel so bad for the real victim seeing everyone make Taeil's crimes about themselves.
Please don't trust what is online, especially social media!!
I think it’s perfectly reasonable for us to feel personally impacted. It’s strange but, so disappointing. We know nothing about the victim. So it’s difficult to think of her first. But, my sympathy is definitely for her, not him.
Nowadays everything is weird . On every corner there seems to be an accusation against whoever of everything and nothing, which is dangerous because it hurts real victims of real s****x crime
@@kelli35but y other nct fan,especially TAEIL BIAS IS SUPPORTING HIMM?SO DISGUSTING,🤮🤮🤮WHAT IF ITS THEIR FAMILY NVOLVED?ARE THEY GONNA SUPPORT THIS BITCH 3VIL PERSON🤣
I don’t think anyone will ever know the full truth. Everything we hear are rumors and speculations.
Hard to trust anything here. Korean police have been shown to lie or coerce for the outcome they want. Idols have done crappy things and lie, netizens have been proven to lie for attention. It’s a whole cluster.
i hate how i’ve seen so many people making jokes and using this situation for fan wars it’s disgusting
There's too many spaces IRL or online that are passive. Add to that netzeiens being so passive on these kinds of things, no matter country of origin or where they live... it's truly shows how emotionally devoid so many people are in this world.
No potem si zamislite, kaj so delali v primeru Suge! Mesec dni so ga dobesedno trgali z napadi ter grozili s smrtjo! Največ laži pa so trosili mediji!
The only joke I appreciated was when I saw someone say "Jaeil." Cause c'mon, that's pretty good. And likely appropriate.
some nct fans are voicing concern for the group's future and disregarding the fact that someone's life was disturbed and this person is traumatized. it really is disgusting.
That what we call immaturity
These people spreading lies are exactly why people can't "just believe" others
Yes, these people are doing real victims a huge disservice!
Exactly!! I got into an argument with someone who was making up rumours regarding Taeil's case and claiming it had been confirmed the victim was a minor and he was a part of the nth rooms just because I said people shouldn't believe anything that hasn't been proven by police, even if it's from someone who's claiming to be a victim because many people just pretend to be victims for clout and it actually hurts real victims more. They then accused me of being the one hurting victims because "you're always supposed to believe victims no matter what" to which I was like "unfortunately no you can't blindly believe anything anyone claiming to be a victim says because you don't know what the truth is and people like to make up lies just to hurt people.". Then I said something that really infuriated the person I was arguing with. I said, "People should remain impartial and unbiased because, until it is proven he is guilty in a court of law, Taeil is innocent.". I swear it was as if I'd said the worst thing imaginable, when that's literally how the justice system works. Lol.
For me, when I heard we should just believe the victims, it meant to take them seriously. It did not mean you convict someone in the court of public opinion without evidence. The alternative is to assume everyone is lying, which is worse and discourages people from coming forward. We've seen it happen too many times that a victim makes an accusation and is not believed and they continue to be victimized.
What needs to happen is when someone says they have been hurt by someone else, we take them seriously and investigate. We don't spread unfounded rumors and we don't automatically assume folks are lying.
@@angiee1603 I agree. There is nothing wrong with waiting for more information before forming an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence.
@@kickrockspleze not only is it not wrong, it is exactly what everyone should do. You always wait until you have all the facts before making a judgement.
BRO FINALLY THE TRUTH!!! I keep seeing so many people spreading rumors and fake stuff and everyone actually believes it. It's genuinely so annoying. Thank you ploopy!!
The problem is people believe anything they read online... the "truth" was there from the start: the official statement the SM published and the korean police clarification on the victim's age. As for the real full truth I doubt we ever get the details. Personally I think it's the police duty to properly release a statement just to clarify what's the confirmed crime without details (out of respect for the victim). Society deserves to know which crime this man committed and the punishment they're giving him (hoping it's fair, unlike the punishment the BSS dudes got).
@@kao1613 seems unlikely he'll get a fair punishment considering that normal citizens' "punishment" are just a slap in the wrist
She hasn't say the truth. Prove that is THE TRUTH.
we seriously need to do something about the lack of media literacy in fandom spheres. it is INSANE to me as a pr major that people blindly believe things without even checking for a source???
i hope the victim gets the justice she deserves and while i can understand the frustration and curiosity to find out what happened, we have to come to terms with the fact that we might never know. for now, we have to stay vigilant and report any misinformation as such!
I just spent 2 days trying to explain language intricacies and slang meanings. In the end it was completely pointless as this person was not going to deviate from their perceived interpretation. It was pretty discouraging actually. It wasn’t about T but I do agree it’s a problem. No good is going to come from this fan trajectory.
Cuando una mentira se dice tantas veces la hacen parecer verdad. la gente es muy descuidada con lo que consume en redes sociales.
que inventen cosas solo hace que se pierda el foco del caso real, y desestiman a la víctima.
@@seok437 I tried so hard to read your comment but alas I had to translate. You are so right. I agree. I also follow other topics and they do the same thing.
That’s what I’ve been saying, like damn, let the investigation run it’s course by LEGAL professional investigators
You're a p.r major, so i'm suprised you're shocked when people hire p.r companies to help distort the truth. Like c'mon. 😂 Misinformation/Disinformation is a part of your industry.
Damn, girl really whipped out a video fast.
Isn’t the idea of a beloved idol assaulting a woman bad enough? Why do people need to sensationalize things even further? Don’t get me wrong, I usually want to know about the drama, but this stuff is serious.
If they don't, it won't be taken seriously. If people didn't speak about it and blow it up into a big thing, very little would've happened to him. Online rage mobs get a LOT more done than you might think.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS HOW IT ACTUALLY IS!!! I HATE PEOPLE LIKE: 'MY BIAS WOULD NEVER'…. BUT SOMEONE’S BIAS DID….
i hate those people who turn something so serious into a fanwar. we don't really know those people, we only know their public persona and what they let us know. we shouldn't blindly say such things.
@@skyferrari EXACTLY!!!!! 🙁
I hate this kind of behavior, this is a big disappointment to the community
KPop fantard keep defending Korean males after many case(burning sun, Mickey DBSK, Taeil NTC, etc). Even Korean female don't want Korean males.
People also should not try to lump all idols together like they are all bad because of the actions of one man. I've seen this a lot.
Why you are bringing taeyong???he has nothing to do with him and the you cant even compare!!!! Delete taeyong name
Now why are you brining up false information about taeyong in a video taeil?? This is literally defamation yall weird one sided beef with taeyong is pathetic
Thank you for talking about this. I was very confused about the whole situation so thank you for giving some context
Girl you have no idea how badly I was waiting for this.
Remove taeyong name from this ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
I've been an NCTZEN since 2018, I even watched their vlives before when vlive was still a thing before, and I always see Taeil as someone who's quiet, but not at the point that he won't talk to anyone, he also looks out and takes care of his younger members, so to know all these things about him today, it is beyond shocking.
This just shows you that you don’t really know someone on camera a lot of us have parasocial relationships towards our idols or groups and it makes us actually feel like we are “close” to them and we relate to them and they are approachable but in reality we do not know them personally their personality not on cameras because believe or not, we will only see them on cameras or fan meetings or short interactions unless you know them personally in reality they are really different from us a different level many are millionaires in actuality there is a big difference in millionaires than ordinary folks a lot of things ordinary folks go through kpop idols can never relate because they never experienced it this is just something completely foreign to them same as them to us riding planes just like cars, dying hair every month, is normal to them performing in front of millions, we will never experience and also you have to know in kpop industries idols being “relatable” is a big selling point in fact feeling parasocial towards idols thinking about them almost everyday thinking we really know them is the main target in fact companies likes that that way there is fans buying thousands of albums or more just to meet idols etc but we need to know that we actually don’t know “them” just “them” on camera. I also love stannning idols and I do but we should still remember we don’t really “know” them as much as it seems like we do
The reserve quiet seerms nice person is someone could be the most nortorious criminal. No scary persona needed/A former us secret agent.
You know damn well putting Taeyong's allegation which was proven FALSE is not the right move. You said you will edit out his part according to Taeyong fanbase but you haven't. JUST SHOWS YOUR REAL INTENTIONS
I just hope we can eventually find out the truth on this. I love NCT. I will not stop loving them. I support them. But if he's guilty, he needs to be punished. I'm just saddened by this. He has an amazing voice. He's ruined his life. He's ruined this woman's life. But stop assuming things. They are still investigating.
I agree and I doubt we as outsiders will ever know the truth.
Racist NTC kick out Lucas first. Turn out Korean Taeil is monster.
I guess the victim want this case to be investigated privately because she doesn't want SM or media dramatized this case
More like SM is one blocked issue not the victim.
K media don’t really care much about victim, they want a sensational.
That's absolutely her prerogative.She's well within her right to want to carry it out as privately as possible. I can only imagine the h@te and har@ssment she'd get online and irl from just random people bc Taeil is super well known. You wouldn't believe how many ppl still ride for Seungri even after the burning sun thing. Even as a VIP, I can't let all that slide.
08:26 people spreading rumors like this should go to jail, even if they are stupid kids...
Fr that's injustice to the actual victim💢
Hahhahahaha,coming from nct stan ,bout suga?spreading misinfo
Creating bad reputation of him
Making him feel CRIMINALL
THATS CALLED KARMAA
WHAT GOES AROUND,COMES AROUND,BITCH😜😜
@@Miori_the_cat23407not just victims. It is straight up a lie to make a person a perpetrator. We dont even know if Taeil has done anything at all. It's just investigated. People act like he is guilty
@@hiragy1842
True, Thanks for the info. While the whole fiasco was going down on 127 Weverse I saw some jokes on the situation I was baffled
@@hiragy1842 while I somewhat agree, he wouldn't have been cast out of SM so quickly if something weren't true about this entire situation.
You’re doing a good job educating. A lot of K-pop fans are young and don’t realize what they say online does indeed have an impact. I hope all the victims in this terrible case receive justice.
Putting a literal CHILD’s selling his TOY misunderstanding with the buyer along with literal adult rape crimes in the same video? Obviously you are trying to generate hate towards him and equate them as if they are same level of accusations. Irresponsible and hateful.
Ms Pang, I suggest you edit your video if you want to keep an ounce of integrity in your work. There are plenty of other SM artists accused of actual crimes while they are active idols. But you chose to mention something that was accused 15 years ago that was not a crime? Your bias and hidden agenda is showing.
I won't let this man's voice destroying my enjoyment for NCT songs. I want safety and justice for the victims always.
Thank you for saying that. It may be hard to listen now, but it will fade. But I love NCT and will not stop listening to them.
ngl I visibly frown when I hear that man's voice in the songs now
What is wrong with you? Why did you use taeyong's name? Please remove his name
I legit dont understand why people make "new nth room" lists yall do know your going to get sued right tf??
I genuinely don't know what people get out of making speculative lists or especially making up lies/spreading disinformation...
Ikr! 💀
Fr. These companies don’t play about defamation 😭
People outside of Korea don’t seem to understand just how strict Korea’s defamation and libel laws are. You can still be rightfully sued even if you’re telling the truth. If they consider it “not in public interest” you’re going to jail and paying a hefty fine
Exactly and some have no shame at all.
Thank you for making this video, the (mis)information going around internet was so contradictory that I was really confused. I hope this case is addressed with the respect and sensibleness it deserves
sickening that people are taking advantage of the victim's story. like how gross. how immoral. this generation is doomed.
8:41 LMAO the person imitating Korea Times just going "Sorry to announce this list. Nth Room Celebrity List" 😭😭 like who is gonna believe that HAHAHAH
Also they couldn't even get the idols names or ages correct 😭
What journalist would write like that? 😂
Hello,
Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation.
I simply commented that he was accused (which he was) but I never said he was guilty of anything. This isn't considered defamation nor is it false to state that he faced an accusation.
@@ploopy678maybe add some remarks in your comments section that Taeyong case has been debunked & the accusation is not true to avoid more CONFUSION to your viewers. We're asking for your help.
@@ploopy678and what exactly does any of that have to do with taeil’s case ?? exactly nothing. so instead of arguing with ppl asking you nicely to take it down maybe be a decent human being and listen. If not, have fun with the legal action taken against you
@@ploopy678 are you okay? You literally said he SM stand with him but they never did and you used his video with taeil along with caption he apologized crying that says everything about your intentions you clearly spreading misinformation and comparing 13 years old teenager having argument with customer over toy that got damaged in the process of delivery who got proved innocent with actual serious crimes it's a defamation
@@ploopy678but that has nothing to do with the subject at matter from your video? the accusations on his name were debunked too, if you are talking about a case where the accusations were true and the ex idol faces punishment you dont have to include taeyong's situation which is wholly different and another nature seeing as he was also a victim of fake claims.
Please remove and edit out Taeyong's name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion to your high engagement viewers. Putting a false case along side actual crimes are wrong things to do. Kindly do the needful.
edit: creator has fixed her mistake, thank you
This hurts, especially because I am an NCTzen. While Taeil is not my bias (thankfully), the impact he has on the group's structure especially in 127 was undeniable. I mean, great vocals, but this whole situation about him is truly hurting me a lot, like WHY TAEIL, WHYYYYY?
The only thing I wish for this is justice for the victims and that the other members heal from this huge heartbreak.
EDIT: I really just hate that ppl actually starts false rumors and make this about themselves or use it for fanwars like.. that is just next level stupid and highly disrespectful for the victims of these crimes. Like, THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. SHUT UP. STOP MAKING THIS AS A "GOTCHA" MOMENT FOR YOU TO PULL UP YOUR FAVES. YOU ARE PATHETIC TO EVEN THINK OF STARTING UP FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
why you bring taeyong name in this situation? He has nothing to do with this man STOP mentioning his name for god’s sake and leave him alone
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO DUG DEEP AND ACTUALLY PROVIDED WITH HELPFUL FACTS
I actually honour you so much for this and I agree with everything you said.
All this really hit all of the members and fans like a truck and no one was expecting it. I honestly feel so bad for the members since they just have felt so betrayed by their, now ex member. They didn’t deserve it. Also just seeing how they react is just so heartbreaking. All the members who were at the airport for the Thailand fan sign were hiding there face and doyoung was spotted with tears in his eyes, haechan writing his letter to indirectly tell his views on this situation, Taeyong deleting all the pictures with Taeil on his Instagram, etc. I really hope they are okay and that the fans will support them always. They don’t deserve any hate they might get due to this because they severed ties with him as soon as they got to know. NCT FIGHTING💚💚
All I can say is
I HOPE HOPE HOPE they found out the moment it happened and not the other scenario where they knew for awhile but didn’t say anything
Cause once again we don’t know how they are once the cameras stop rolling and the doors are closed.
@@AstarionWifey you are right. I hope for it too. But I have faith that it’s true because seeing the members it really feels like they are genuinely taken aback by the sudden changes. Also the video from Doyoungs Tokyo concert really just breaks my heart my heart😭. He was so upset and when he said that we may take a break from being an NCTzen but he will always be there was the end of me. I cried buckets and my heart aches for him. We will always be there to support you NCT💚
The only thing that has been confirmed is that he was charged and the case has been handed over to the prosecutors and he has not been detained. Anything else is speculation and rumors.
Thank you, because I've been hearing so many different things, i hope he aint do anything too bad. Bro was my favorite in the group.
He has been accused but I am sure if he was charged yet or not.
Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation.
Mentioning a scamming allegation as an example,which is not even a registered case /issue as the other mentioned things (or as bad )as SA and DUI allegation is definitely a choice.... If it's by mistake then ,No clarification given in the video neither the description
I hope Taeyong sues you for defamation, future sojang
Pathetic n embarrassing! Defamation towards Taeyong! We are reporting your channel bcoz of this! Remove his name now! Are you sick?
"Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is a defamation!"
I love NCT (not a Taeil bias) but I never put the members on a pedestal or get parasocial with them because I was a big stan of Kris Wu in EXO.
I used to thirst over him, think he was the perfect bf, used to be delulu cause I have the female version of his chinese name and we have the same birthday. Like how ppl had comfort anime chatacters he was my comfort Kpop fantasy. When he left EXO that shit was painful and I over ate for 5 days to deal with that pain.
And look how that turned out.
I learnt my lesson and never looked back.
I hate how people are so quick to judge and grab an opportunity to make accusations. And when you try and tell them it’s false suddenly you’re worse than the criminal. But all of my support to the REAL victim(s) ❤
Ploopy being such a queen bringing us a video during a literal TYPHOON. she ate and left no crumbs
As someone who has actually had to report someone for abuse, these people spreading misinformation make it worse for the victim.
Let the investigation run its course, speculating can totally ruin or damage a case.
You really care about the victim stop spreading anything that can’t be verified.
What is the "misinformation"? Show the proofs!
@@Mariajbh2 fans don't deserve proof of shit, mind yall's own business
@@brittanys505 You are a troll who supports this stupid video and all those who support abusive idols. What you have said is really stupid. If someone claims, like the propagandist of this video, that another person is spreading misinformation, they have to prove that they are spreading misinformation. Otherwise, they can prove that they can claim whatever they want as long as it suits them and their interests. The only ones who are spreading misinformation are those who support the criminal Taeil or abusive idols, the problem with those who do not support him is that they are telling the truth
@@Mariajbh2 Did you not watch the video?
Police has said that the alleged victim he's being investigated for is an adult female (19+ by Korean law) but people are spreading rumors about minors and grooming and relying on posts made by someone whose case was dismissed and who's probably not even talking about Taeil.
Also, the "new Nth room" and unproven celebrity rumors.
Whether in Kpop, Hollywood, or especially politics, y'all about to learn sooner rather than later that a lot of the famous people on TV you look up to are pigs, but it ain't all the ones you think. And in order to properly discern WHO did WHAT, you need to value the truth over your bias (both in Kpop and regular terms).
@@g-coalitionbrother1729 Did you watch it?!
This is the clearest video about Taeil so far! ❤
I feel like I keep seeing people talk about the situation like they know all the details about it and I kept trying to find an official source that would confirm anything and I never could. We really need to stop all the insane rumors. It's okay to let the investigation happen and learn the details another time. Thank you for speaking against all of the insane rumors. Spreading rumors is the single worst way to actually help out the victim.
That's why I never get personally attached to any idols anymore. It's okay if you support them for their work. You love the persona they created on the internet. But in reality, you truly don't know them. I learned my lesson from the Seungri scandal. Taeil is just another example.
The amount of people trying to use this situation to try and hurt other idols and spreading misinformation is a headache
@@Atinywithsocailanxiety well this content creator is also doing the same thing - spreading misinformation to hurt Taeyong by bringing up old accusation from 15 years ago when he was still a child and sold a toy that was damaged during shipping.
@@98765KSC I don't think she was trying to say weather taeyong is guilty or not
Honestly, after what the police did to Lee Sun Kyung, and what the internet and SM did to Lucas, I have no idea what to believe. I’m waiting until there is something proven. Not because I trust Taeil, but just because most people who make accusations have proven that they also cannot be trusted. Just sucks all around. And if there is another Nth room nonsense, then send all those users to jail too.
Very true, I still get odd comments for wanting to wait for more information, but it's definitely better than gobbeling up every stupid rumour that's flying around. In this particular case some of the rumours were so outrageous I'm kind of surprised people believed them without questioning (like the molka for 6 years thing, how would he even manage to do that?), but that's humans for you.
I agree and with so many illegitimate sources and everything going around, it is very hard to know the truth. We as outsiders may never know the truth. Accusers also are not trustworthy and not saying Taeil is innocent for sure, but we honestly just don’t know.
No matter who the victim(s) is/are (Unsure if it is just Agnes, or multiple adult women, even if there were minors involved), if what Taeil did is true, he should be treated the same as other sex offenders and be made to register for life. There is way too little information on who the victim(s) are and the extent of his crimes as of Sept 9th, but for SM to kick Taeil out so quickly means this must be serious. Justice for the victims regardless.
If he got treated the same way as other sex offenders, you know that he'd just get a slap on the wrist and go home. Just look at Seungri.
Omg I fucking hate seungri. He even has a girlfriend and dates around like wtf@@POP-nm1ix
@@POP-nm1ix I actually need to find a way to see if Seungri is on SK's Sex Offender registry because I don't recall Seungri getting sentenced to register for the Sex Offender's registry. But for Taeil, it means that he must stay away a certain distance from the victim, and if serious enough, from Children and he won't be able to get jobs that deal with vulnerable people (like teachers, doctors, etc.). Hopefully, that's the case...
It is not Agnes, and it did not involve any minors.
@@OneProudBBC I don't think hiring prostitutes would land you on a sex offender registry, but every country is different.
Kpop fans: I wanna marry a korean man
Korean men:
I can’t help but be curious about what taeil has been accused of exactly, but at the same time it is definitely for the best this case is kept as un-sensationalized as possible for the victims sake.
Just a guess: Illegal recording of sexual acts and distribution.
That's men favorite activity and korean men are pros.
Thanks for clearing up the rumors!
Thank you for debunking these rumors. I love NCT and these accusations are devastating. It kills me how people will readily believe any bad thing folks say about someone. The truth is that all we know is that he is under investigation and the person making the allegation is an adult woman. Folks need to calm down and wait for more information.
Having dealt with the rumors and BS with WONHO in Monsta X, I know that clout chasers will make up rumors to get attention. Wonho was innocent yet to this day his ex members can’t speak his name in public, SSE has scrubbed all evidence of Wonho ever being in the group, and Wonho had to start over as a solo artist. I wish people could just wait until info comes out and not spread misinformation
I am super confused with how SM handles their artists scandals because they were quick to act on Lucas’ scandal even when media was able to find evidence of his innocence. SM took him off of their stuff so quickly, which was heartbreaking. Til this day, I am STILL waiting for the release of “Jalapeño” with Hendery 😭.
When I searched for Tail's alleged crimes online, I saw disgruntled 'fans' spreading baseless rumors. This right here is what makes it hard to believe anything anyone says resulting in actual victim's voices being drowned in the masses.
Also, I feel bad for Taeil cause when the police's investigation is over and these alleged crimes are proven true his life and career are over. And if he's proven innocent his life and career are still over. Because let's face it South Korean fans are brutal and known for how vengeful and vindictive they can be. Nothing's been proven yet and there's already fake articles about it. The entire situation is disheartening
I understand feeling bad for him if the allegations were proven false, but why pity him if they're true? Sure, the misinformation being spread everywhere is making everything worse, but he's an adult man and he should be held responsible for his actions. If he didn't want his life to be ruined and his career to end, then he shouldn't have committed SA!!
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what I meant to say was I pity him if he’s proven innocent. As of right now I still pity him since nothing definitive has been released yet. These feelings are bound to change as the case progresses and police results are released. I’m basically moving on innocent until proven guy. Yes he’s a grown ass adult man, who’s capable of knowing what he should and shouldn’t do. But as of right now nothing’s been released confirming or denying anything. We’re all entitled to feel how we feel.
@@BlessinginBloomI agree and many are jumping the gun too fast over just allegations so far. Honestly, even if he was innocent, his career and reputation are over. But his life would not be over because he can still live a peaceful and low key life away from all this mess. If he is guilty, I hope he pays for it, learns and becomes a better person.
@@BlessinginBloomI agree and IF he is innocent then all of these haters better eat their words.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj Exactly!
If he’s innocent this allegations have already done the damage to his career. And hopefully he can live a peaceful life away from the preying eyes of people. But the scary part is there are some “fans” who won’t let go and will still bother him then. However if he’s guilty of what he’s accused then let him pay greatly cause that’s unacceptable. Also these so called fans need to stop already fake news it’s hard to find what’s true or not
I will take background typhoon noises over AI voiceovers any day
You are so pro!! 😄thank you for explaining these FACTS so clearly - I was unaware of some of it. I side with Taeil - I don't believe he would abuse anything....💗
oml be safe in the typhoon! but fr this situation is so shocking. he always seemed to be so sweet and the fact that it probably aided him in doing horrible things is so horrifying. i hope the victim is able to recover as much as they can soon ❤️
so glad you made a vid!! i wasn't sure if the other vids were credible
Thank you for covering this topic. Stay safe everyone. ❤️
👏 👏 👏 I was waiting for Ploopy and Kpop Junkee to talk about what’s going on. Unsubstantiated rumors and hearsay does real harm.
SM doing damage control faster than my internet
This is what I have been saying since the news came out, DON’T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION HAS ITS CLOSURE
why would you even include TY in this video when he has nothing to do with the topic, i don’t know why you thought that a baseless rumor (that was proven to be a misunderstanding YEARS ago) should be on a video about rape, SA and DUI. This is defamation, leave ty alone
Finally a video that separates facts from fiction! Thank you for your great work as always 🙏
What happens in the dark always comes to light.
this is one of those things where people will look back and remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when the news broke out. it still doesn't feel real. i hope taeil is punished to the fullest extent (but knowing korean laws he'd probably only serve a few years), and may justice be served for those hurt by taeil. taeil is a scumbag through and through, he deserves nothing more than to be shunned.
I'm actually devastated and really disappointed because NCT is my ult group and I have so many of their songs on my playlist many of which are my favorite songs. I can't listen to them anymore without bitter feelings after knowing what he did. I hope SM would consider rerecording because NCT127 has an abundance of skilled vocalists but I'm not too hopeful for that...
omg same ever since taeil's case i literally banned myself from listening to any nct songs, it might take a while but i just feel so bad...
i feel so bad for the other members
as an NCTzen i honestly was conflicted if i continue to listen to nct songs with him at 1st. Still, then after some thoughts it hit me that by doing that it would be like punishing the other members. they did nothing wrong, so I decided to respect the members' efforts and talent so I'll keep listening to those songs, as sad as i am, i will not let him ruin my love for NCT's songs, he already made enough damage to the victim and for the group !! bad ppl should hold no power...
Look you are entitled to feel like this, but his behaviour should no affect the rest of the members. I would continue to listen to their music and supporting NCT . And if someone thinks is not right, I am sorry but this is how I believe is right. Sorry for the victim not for the perpetrator, and the companie and other members should not be affected by it.
What he did??? She just told us that we don't know anything. So wait with your complains until the investigation is done.
When things like this come out, I know exactly who to wait for for the truth and Ploops is one of them
It’s actually so annoying that kids on Tik tok or chronically online twitter kpop stans spread these rumors as if it’s the truth and that they know everything that’s going on like can we just wait until there’s actual information? 😭💀
clout chaser and deliberately use taeyong as bait for your content about a REAL CRIME. How do you need to use a rumor circulating on pann when you are supposed to talk about a sex crime under the police investigation?
DON'T FORGET TO REPORT THIS ACC ON RUclips TOO FOR COPYRIGHT ISSUE
This was before all the claims were drop, at this point I doubt she can even edit them out, check the timeline everyone is chronically online
Thank you for this, this whole thing just had me so confused. Never wanted to believe this, I won't till the truth come out
Not literally the kpop fans still going on in the comments about how “devastated” they are from learning how their fav is a trashy human. Instead of sympathizing with the victim they make it about themselves and how “unexpected” everything is. The truth is nobody really knows their favs, it’s only their stage image
They are allowed to have their own feelings. It does not take away from the victim. Remember that everyone processes things differently.
There are many young fans and this may be the first time that someone they look up to is accused of something like this. Even adults struggle to sympathize with victims of such an unimaginably awful crime. Overwhelmingly I see people ready to believe the victim rather than denying the possibility altogether. Fans don’t express everything perfectly but I think that the intention is still there.
So their feelings aren't allowed? You policing other people's feelings as well? How does that take away from feeling bad for the victim?
@@bunnihanni replying to all three of you. Did I say their feelings were not allowed? Yeah they can weep over the fact that their oppas aren’t innocent angels who can do no harm. But they can try to be a little more less selfish and stop posting about their woes everywhere online when the actual victim and her family/friends who was literally SA’d is probably watching this video and reading the comments about how her rapist’s former friends are acting like their whole world collapsed because they thought her rapist was an angel before and it seems like no body even cares that she got SA’d and they only care because their fav committed SA. These fans can express their feelings maybe in private to their friends or families and not blading their grief all over social media. a chunk of those fans here actually cares about the girl that got SA’d they only care about their fav committing the sa. Yes they might be young but that does not mean they should all blindly puts their trust into someone who doesn’t even know that they exist. Hopefully some people can take this case with a grain of salt and realize not everyone of their favs can do no wrong. And also I agree that some fans are being logical but it’s still a delusional portion that’s acting like their world just fell apart.
Fr 🤦🏾♀️
Kindly refrain from using other artist allegations which hasn't been proved. It's Defamation. Those two examples aren't same. Stop the clout chasing
i had to do a triple-take when i saw the first headlines, even now it hasn't fully clicked with me yet. there's a lot of misinformation out there, so i'm happy this gives much-needed context to the whole situation
Thank you Ploopy for debunking a bunch of these theories and reminding people at this point that we just do not have any facts. Spreading rumours isn't going to help the case in any way, so people unfortunately just need to sit tight and wait for the legal proceedings.
Also from following this case it's super obvious that people just don't understand what SA crimes are. People think that it's all violent or blackmail or super obvious. But there are so many subtle and insidious ways that perpetrators can abuse their victims. My ex was so good at hiding it with almost everyone I knew, and it wasn't until way after that some close male friends told me about the bad vibes they got off of him. He was so so charming and most people are still to this day absolutely gobsmacked when I tell them what he did. Someone who's still a good friend of mine carries so much guilt that he was a big part of us getting together and it led to years of my torture. I don't blame my friend at all. My ex was an expert at charming people and making them believe whatever he wanted. I didn't even realise how bad of a spot I was in until years later. Everything that I went through was manipualtion, cooersion I didn't even ralise was coorsion at the time, and verbal abuse. And my ex got away with it because ultimately I have no proof and I don't want to retraumatize myself by going through something that will ultimately probably just end in nothing.
I am in no way saying that this has any relation to Taeil's case, other than the fact that sometimes you just don't know a person as well as you think you do. He definitely was never even on my radar as someone that could be a perpetrator but the fact that SM removed him so quickly does not give me a good feeling about it.
Thanks for making this video.. I remember when the news first came out that I thought it was fake or something because it was so wild to me.. Taeil had been one of my favourite members of the group so I just felt betrayed and kind of dumb and since I don’t have Twitter or anything it’s hard to get info so Thankyou!
Never use Twitter as information ❤
I’m going to be honest rn, but we don’t even know if the accusations are true. So I don’t get why people are already blaming him for doing it. Like what if he is innocent? Then what? Will people still hate on him for something fake? Now, I’m not saying this because I think he didn’t do it or I don’t care. But I’m just trying to tell people that we should be praying for him. Praying that all of it is fake. If he is innocent maybe the victim was assaulted but not by him? But she could be making it up for all we know! Don’t hate on me for saying that I’m just listing options. Maybe someone who had similar features to Taeil did it and she mixed it up. Or it was all planned? The reason I’m saying this is because I get the people that are shocked and upset with him , but honestly we have no answers to wether this is true or not so I’m going to pray that everything goes well and the accusations are false. If they are true then that doesn’t mean I will still support him. So please don’t hate on me because I’m saying this.
In the official statement by SM, they have specifically mentioned the word "indicted" which means formally charged by a grand jury, which usually means that they have quite strong evidence against him. And we know SM, they usually do not go to the extreme lengths of kicking a member out unless it's actually very serious. The worst they do is give a hiatus. So if the company is taking such measures, then it must be that severe and damming.
thank you for posting this since there’s been so much misinformation lately
please cover the riize seunghan situation, sm deserves to be held accountable once again!!
Yes
now agnes’s account is private
Been waiting for your video on this. Thank you for your well researched and super entertaining content! ❤
Thanks for your support! 😊
Please remove Taeyong name from ur video, the rumors proven wrong and defamation for Taeyong. Please be more careful with this kind of thing coz it can be bad for him. If u wanna talk about taeil then talk about him all u want but don't include Taeyong false rumors! It's harm him a lot!
As an infrequent listener to NCT. This definitely came out of the left field because I don't think anyone expected it. But it shouldn't be surprising because idols only show a better side. A favourable side. They are still human and it doesn't make them any better than the rest of us. They can still cause inhumane acts.
Just hope NCT fans and Taeil fans are able to get pass this.
As a infrequent listener to nct
I don’t like any nct members
But him being the one rlly shocked me
He’s literally the only one I wouldn’t expect bcuz his persona is simple person it didn’t seem like a persona at all
Honestly idk who to believe anymore and I’m still an Nctzens at the end of the day but I will make sure to stay aware because we don’t know which kpop idol could be next
I remember reading a blind item from I think NatePann a year or so again discussing male idols and delusional female fans thinking they were 'better' than other men, and it specifically referenced a member of NCT that has an 'innocent' image that fans would be shocked to know the truth about. I've never followed NCT and didn't know anything about the members so I didn't think much more of it, but since this situation broke out I haven't been able to get it out of my head.
Omfg. I could not remember what that website was called. Thank you 😭
The problem is there is no information. All we know is that there was an adult woman who filed a legal complaint for unknown sex crimes and he was accused of being involved. That is the only fact that is indisputable. We don't know what the actual crime was nor the extent of his involvement and that bothers people. Others see a way to capitalize off people's need for information and they make up scenarios that get them the attention they want and give others the information they crave. When people have already made up in their minds about someone's guilt, then it is easy for them to believe all the negative things they read and hear.
The first one is was proven fake, also apparently there are other accounts linked to this person and they have been posting such things about multiple idols. There is another channel that dived into this person and posted all her internet accounts that they found, also she deleted some of them.
not female idols getting more hate than him for "being cringe"
Remove Taeyong's name at once from your vid! You are spreading misinformation!
We don’t know what happened yet
We know. He is CHARGED by the police por s3xual crimes. He is guilty for the police
I’m not sure, but from what I know, taeil did what he did when the girl was underage, but it was just now she’s turned adult.
There is no info about the victim's age, just that the person is adult woman. If you are not sure, what was the point of writing your comment?
@@hellothere1381 considering the earlier evidence of his charges pointing that the victim was an underage woman and it was now said that she’s an adult woman, I wouldn’t say my statement had no basis and meaningless. The point of my comment is to say ‘hey, it might be like this’ without spreading misinformation because I’m not involved in the case.
@@Pale3110it's still spreading misinformation since there's no evidence backing up your claims
one thing about some kpop stans is that they LOVE to spread misinformation and unreliable accusations while still being media illiterate 💀😭
I felt so bad for nct fans and members, some of them unstaning nct:(
I appreciate your intention to spread information about this man's case but I think it is unnecessary to include other people's name from a whole different case. You're only adding fuel to the hate towards Taeyong who didn't do something wrong. Please delete that part or delete the video if you will still insist that you did not do something that affects Taeyong's image just by mentioning that he was "accused" of scamming. You're already old, please do better.
When I saw the title of the video, I got immediately annoyed, but thankfuly you're one of the quality content creators that does their own research and doesn't blindly believe eveerything that anybody posts on the internet. Thank you for that! Let's just wait a bit more, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough what happened and what Taeil really deserves.
I kept hearing about the new nth room rumors. Glad you cleared it up!
Oh I'm so grateful. I've been saying so many of these things since the start and people refusing to believe. I was going to make a video with all the actual facts, but you have done it. Instead, I'm just going to share and recommend your video. Thank you so much
Cases like these make me lose faith in idols 😢
LEAVE TAEYONG OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY.
Please remove and edit out Taeyong’s name from this video as this is completely false information and defamation, without explanation it can cause further confusion. This is defamation.
are y'all in a group chat where you chatgptd a response with a tone of a lawyer that you copied? ❤
You slipped up with the paragraph in all caps at least the others tried to make it sound serious🤭😂❤