LITERALLY DOUBLE THE WEIGHT!!! Frontier vs Tar River Loader Snow Plows For Your John Deere Tractor!
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- I had the opportunity to compare two different loader mounted snow plows recently. One is a Tar River Loader Plow that I represent and the other is a very nice Frontier AF10F loader mounted snow plow that came in as part of a tractor package I purchased. Both of the snow plows will be a perfect fit for a John Deere 1 Series or 2 Series such as a 1025r or 2025r. They are both 60" wide, manual angle, have John Deere Quick Attach for the mount.
However, there are some significant differences as well between these two plows and that's what we'll take a look at in this video. Cost, weight, and quality of features seem to vary greatly. Sometimes spending more isn't always better. So, take a look and let me know which snow plow you'd prefer for your John Deere 1025r or 2025r. Thanks for watching!
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You correctly pointed out the mounting brackets on the frontier, which comes with (2) 1-3/8" diameter cylinders
for around a $650 option. Also the skid shoes shown are an option as well. No snow in the NW as of yet so I
can't report on how well the unit works. Keep up the excellent videos.
Good info, thank you Liff!
Big diameter dish shoes are best for gravel driveways . I would never be without a loader mounted blade for snow . You can knock banks over and reach farther and no messing around install . Also keeps tractor front wheels away farther from drop offs etc . Nice units your selling . Gives buyers there needed requirements . Going heavy duty you can use the blade for other things beside snow . 👍
Some valid points for sure!
Looks as the Tar River blade can be used as dirt/snow plow. The Frontier plow has a classic design garden tractor dirt/snow blade.
The old (318) 54 blade had a single hydraulic cylinder with a locking pin which is a problem when mounted to a FEL. I have mine mounted to a 2305 FEL. You can use a 3rd function for the cylinder but the pin release/engage still has to be manual unless you get REALLY fancy with your hydraulic circuit. I would guess the duel cylinders eliminated the need for a pin.
Very nice look at both plows. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
I bought the frontier as part of my package when buying a 1025r. Not sure if i need front wheel weights as the front end would pick up when plowing. The Tar being heavier might be the answer to keeping the front tires on the ground.
The frontier with the duel cylinder angel kit with the 3rd function works great on my 1025R.
Looks like you would need a lot of weight on the back of the tractor to compensate the weight difference between the two plows.
Possibly, but the Tar River plow weighs about as much as a 54" pusher. So, I wouldn't be too concerned about that. Thanks for watching Garry!
they make a cylinder angle kit? I have the Gen2 2025R
@@randalmiddleton8068 Yes. 2 good size hydraulic cylinders angel the blade.
They are controlled by the 3rd function valve.
It angles no problem with a full blade of snow.
Now all we need is snow! Lol
@@GoodWorksTractors Weight would be more of a factor since it is extended out on the FEL versus the 54 blade which is attached to the frame.
A 54" snow pusher (reference my many snow pusher videos) connects to the loader arms the same way the plow does. I'm not talking about a frame mounted blade. The weight of a frame mounted blade is significantly less anyways.
I may be wrong but I would like to assume that Frontier have a close relationship with JD and have access to their engineering department. I'm guessing that the lighter (flimsier?) plow they offer takes into account the possible loads transmitted to the JD tractor and loader assembly. It should in fact be the weak link that gives before damaging your tractor. The other plow, which is impressively stout, will not give at all and the tractor is likely to suffer first. It could probably be used for clearing more of the Amazon Rain Forest!
Then again as I said at the outset, I could be wrong and they just cheaped out!
With the other attachments you are lifting other things (dirt, logs, etc) with it... with a plow you aren't lifting anything else... and as someone that has been plowing with a truck for about 30 years I can tell you go with the heavier plow. The TR will last much longer than the JD plow. The heavier plow will also scrap better. I do see a difference in attack angles on the cutting edge. And the JD seems to have smother finish. Should be that the snow doesn't stick to it. Spray should help both with any sticking. The JD will not hold up for anything heavy. The TR is how a plow should be built. It looks like something is missing on the TR shoes but - Many, many guys don't run shoes anyway and just take them off. Most don't know how to adjust them correctly. Id give you $500 for the JD if there was no other option. The TR is worth more anyday.
I got the snowway plow off my truck that is going to be made to fit our 4120 john Deere with power angle over all wiat will be bout 425 when done
Nice!
Hi and happy Saturday, I would have thought the John Deere brand (Frontier) would have been the better made blade. There is a definite difference between the two manufacturers. Enjoyed this vs video presentation🚜🇺🇸👍
Thanks as always Mark!
It all comes down to design. Everything is now designed on computer with; Computer Aided Design or CAD. You design the individual parts and then assemble them together. The next step is complicated and called "Finite Element Analysis". In this process you evaluate the structural capability of the assembly and individual components. Design can be optimized for strength, weight, durabilit and cost. This is why some things, such as the D series tractors now look so "cheaply" made to some people. They didn't have this capability when they built the older tractors such as the 317 which is built like a tank. You cannot be competitive in today's market without optimizing your design.
actually frankly, i’d say the frontier is designed very similar to a professional grade truck plow like from fisher, western, meyer, etc. it’s simple but the weight distribution on the parts makes up for it. it has a wider more evenly distributed frame which creates less stress points. the y frame is a super common plow frame design. having that wider frame stance also means when actually pushing snow, it’ll be stronger on either end where you actually want it. i think they’re both interesting but frankly i would say the frontier takes the cake in simplicity and sticking with a proven effective design.
Very interesting comparison! It looks like the tar River has a rubber edge-- definite plus to me (for snow). The extra weight of the Tar River would also be nice if you run in float position. I *do not like* the two pin setup of the Tar River. Those types of pins are a hassle, especially when you're gloved, cold and buried in snow. JD wins on this point.
Thanks for watching!
PL-84-HDJDLM is the loader mount plow C.T.A makes
Thing you missed is the jd is strictly snow . That tar river is a dozer/snow plow
I have that frontier plow one thing I don’t think was mentioned is the steel cutting edge on the frontier vs rubber on the other I find the steel is very loud and doesn’t do a great job
True, but edges can be changed out pretty easily with either one.
0:33. That looks like hard work. Too bad you didn't have a tractor or something to help move those pallets. :D.
😂
Know what I know now I would got the snow pusher
The heavier one's gonna have better bite in compacted snow/ice.
Good point.
Can the Tar River be pinned to prevent spring activation for moving dirt?
Wow that 4066r picked up tha frontier snowplow like it was nothing? 🤫
I like that Frontier blade, too bad it didn't have a cylinder attached for L/R, I could hook up my 3rd function hoses and ready to go...
Could always add it on.
@@GoodWorksTractors What I really need is a hydraulic snow/gravel blade for the front of my 2025R... you have any ideas?
One of these will work if you add the hydraulic angle kit. Otherwise, JD's OEM frame mounted blade.
What country were they built in should be one of the primary points of comparison
I believe Tar River is sourcing these from China. No idea about the Frontier. It depends which supplier they are using and I did not see a label on this blade. I've seen third party manufacturer information on several Frontier attachments from the US, Canada, and Italy. John Deere uses many, many globally sourced parts. I've got John Deere tractors at my shop with MADE IN CHINA cast right into the part. Same as almost every other major manufacturer out there.
@@GoodWorksTractors Thanks, I always try to buy in order of American, European, Japanese if possible, but that's not always possible (obviously)
I hear ya. I try as much as possible as well. Unfortunately, many USA made products are priced unreasonably high. There's still a small amount of folks that will fork out the extra dough, but price is very high on the priority list for most folks. So, I try to offer quality products at an excellent value.
To me the tar river looks over complicated, the frontier looks good but if it's less than 200lbs it's probably built a bit too light. I've been looking at the HLA blades, we run them on our larger equipment. The SB100060 is similar in design to the frontier but it's about the same weight or slightly heavier than the tar river, so it's obviously built strong.
I guess I don't see what's complicated about it. There's not a bunch of additional moving parts, mainly more channeling/bracing and thicker beefier construction. You can't have it both ways. I sell the HLA blades as well. Very few of them as they are very pricey compared to the Tar River or even Frontier. Not really sure why though. Their pushers are priced well and I sell a ton of those attachments.
@@GoodWorksTractors Maybe over complicated is a bit of poor wording on my part. I mean really any snow plow is pretty simple in it's function. But, just the way the trip mechanism works, not that I don't find it interesting, it's certainly a different take on it outside the norm. Looking at it sitting on the pallet at first glance you'd think it was upside down, which kind of threw me off a bit, hence the need to add a parking stand, I assume the frontier doesn't have one because it sits flat on the ground without it. The 2 pin pivot on the Tar river seems like a good idea but I'm not sure if there is any advantage to it, I think it would get old fast having to angle it much so a hydraulic angle kit would be a must. The 2 pin system would be stronger but you have to realize it's a small sub compact or compact pushing it not a D8 Cat haha. I'm not sure what the prices are like for HLA stuff for you guys, I'm up here on the east coast of Canada so I guess if nothing else it won't have to cross the border. I think the SB100060 up here is around $1500-1800 CAD, off the top of my head. So that would be $1100-1400 USD around there.
HLA prices in Canada are much cheaper. I can't even buy them that cheap as a dealer. They also won't let Canadian dealers sell in the USA.
@@GoodWorksTractors I hear ya on that. There is always some give and take with that though, lots of stuff up here coming from the US we pay a premium for.
That Tar River is a "steel" compaired to the Frontier....
😂🤣👍
also the price on a tar river 6' quick switch snow plow for the same tractor price delivered to Maine 04579
I’d go with the frontier version. I just wish it wasn’t equal to or even more than the tar River model. That’s branding for you. Which is kinda silly cause it doesn’t even say John Deere on it
Which one would be better on a gravel dirt drive?
A lot of the attachments you sell aren’t available here. Or no one sells them. I wonder what the cost would be to become a distributor where I am.
Wow what a difference... As much as I like the quality of frontier products, I would need the extra weight & strength. Not much snow down here next to the red River, so it would see duty as a dozer blade moving driveway gravel and such.....
Yeah, could definitely stand up to other uses besides pushing snow...Happy New Year Belinda!
I'm surprised if it's sourced from China and built that heavy it can be so cheap with tariffs and the extra weight to ship. As often as I would want to change the angle those 2 pins would be a pain. So Untill they come out with a Hydraulic kit would have to go with frontier.. But otherwise Tar River with that extra weight is good if pushing and starts spinning just lift up a little and get more traction.
I don't see why you couldn't either just run one pin or get one longer pin to go through both holes? They have a hydraulic angle kit available already. Thanks for watching!
Either way. They need hydrologic angling
Not everyone has a third function or diverter kit so having a manual angle option is important as well.
Are you still selling the Tar River Snow plows? What size would fit a Deere 3025E?
Likely an unfair comparison, the AF11 is much more substantially built and not dissimilar to the TR you have there. The AF10 is meant for the smaller units as you state, and they likely couldn’t handle much more. I have a 7’ AF11 and it weighs over 400 lbs and every component is but heavy duty. The TR is a nicely made unit no doubt.
Both models are designed for subcompacts and smaller compacts. Both manufacturers have a larger, beefier series for bigger machines. It is not unfair. This is comparing models that are designed to operate on the same size of equipment. Each manufacturer has gone about that in a different way. Thanks for watching!
The frontier snow plow is to my liking the tire river is complicated over built unnecessary bunch of iron are
Always good to have options.
Does tar river have a hydrolics kit or you just have to come up with one
Good question. Yes, they do have an optional hydraulic angling kit. Just be aware that you need a 3rd scv or diverter kit to operate it.
does tar river make a 7' for a 440R loader on a 4052R what is the price on a quick switch green delivered to Maine
Do you make blades for full size tractors? Any dealers in Canada?
Hi, I'm just a dealer. I can get you blades, pushers, wings, from HLA which is based out of Canada. However, I'm in Michigan.
@@GoodWorksTractors ...Just wondering. On Dealer finder it doesn't take postal codes only zip codes
Check out C.T.A Attachments for John Deere compact tractors. Best plows for tractors.
They have very nice plows, but I don't think they make a loader mounted plow last time I checked.
@@GoodWorksTractors C.T.A has up to an 84in for 4 series loader mount, really nice plow! A truly commercial plow.
at 6:11 the weld on the tar river skid pad is pretty - - - umm well - - umm - - sketchy.
Just bought a 1025R. I would buy the frontier blade if it were half that price. Way too much for what you're getting. If it had the hydraulic cylinders for that price I would buy it.
First! It seems tar river is a better value for the money
Seems like it to me!
Still selling the Tar River?
If your going to pay more money for the Frontier,why in the world would you want it??.
It's as bad as only buying half a 🍕 pizza for $30.00 bucks,but a whole pizza is only $25.00 bucks.
Sorry,the Tar-River destroys the Frontier.
15th
Everyone has off days 🤣
@@GoodWorksTractors mine are few and far between....lol
Agreed!
@@GoodWorksTractors having said that if it doesnt snow....im going to have to find a part time job lol
I gotta imagine it'll break loose sometime soon...however, I may need a little part time help at the shop :)
Check out the listings!
www.goodworkstractors.com/product/tar-river-loader-mounted-snow-plow-blade-for-sale/
www.goodworkstractors.com/product/frontier-af10f-60-loader-mounted-snow-plow-for-sale/
Frontier is a joke.