The promotions in BSG made me chuckle a bit. Apollo went from Lieutenant up to Battlestar Commander and everything in between but seemed to finish as a Major. Helo also went from Lieutenant, to XO of Galactica, even held CAG at one point but seemed to stabilise as a Captain. Hotdog steadily worked his way up, same with Hoshi who ended up as Admiral at one point!
@@Negativvv Senior ranks in BSG went lieutenant - captain - major - colonel - commander - admiral (with a few inbetween that are not used) Apollo went Lt to Captain to Major. Adama sr went from Commander to Admiral, promoted by the president. Helo went from Lt to Captain, as did Starbuck Hoshi was always a Lt, as was Hotdog and Gaeta 'XO of Galactica', and 'CAG' were positions not ranks. You could hold these positions at any rank. Tigh held Galactica XO throughout most of the series, but his rank was still Colonel - he was the only colonel during the whole show. CAG was held by numerous people of Lt., Captain and Major rank. Apollo and Hoshi were given 'temporary' or 'brevet' promotions to ensure they had rank over their command (Pegasus and the fleet respectively), hence why they were referred to as 'commander' and 'admiral' - Gaeta technically has this too during his time of command during the mutiny. This practice is common in present-day militaries. When they had finished their command, they returned to their permanent rank - Major for Adama and Lt. for Hoshi - Hoshi never actually gets promoted above Lt!
@@charlesneely7995 Yes but the backstory is that Starbuck got Adama's son killed by not flunking him out of flight school because she was frakking him. She admits it to Adama when he asks why she failed all the nuggets immediately. He orders her to reinstate them, go train them properly and to get lost. Tigh innocently blunders into it and gets the look. Lovely tight bit of acting.
@@Ergamenes1 Frakking him is selling it short. They were Engaged. Like this wasn't some fling, this was the Guy she thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with. And as she puts it, Didn't want to be the one to take it away from him as it was his dream. She also didn't want to tell him it, Lee Adama had let slip that Kara didn't want to be a trainer because of what had happened with His brother, thinking he already knew. She admitted it to him when he asked about it after Lee refused to explain any further. And not only did Adama order her to train them, this is pretty much straight after they had a falling out. And now hes thinking man is the last thing i said to the girl who i consider as a daughter going to be hateful and hurtful things about something that is obviously still haunting her.
I know this is late, but... I have to point our her situational awareness. She was going head-on with multiple Raiders, he was directly behind her... but she still saw his turn instantly.
Simulators can only do so much: actual flight gives a far better experience. Although it *IS* much easier to train for war during peacetime than during the actual conflict; more so, if, during the latter, your training area is in the enemy's backyard!
While I agree that simulators are very useful, they're not by any means a replacement for real practice. Their main advantage is saving in operational costs.
@@moteroargentino7944 you tart them with simulators and the better students advance to flight training. That's what we do now for airline pilots, now even driving a car in some areas you start on simulators. I could have used that when I was learning to drive in the 70's.
It's a feature on Mk 2 and Mk 3 vipers only. Mk 7s use conventional RCS ports instead. I have a theory that the brake thruster might actually be a cold-gas thruster using exhaust ducted from the main engines rather than hydrazine or some other monoprop. Also, you'll see this feature being used again in the battle for the tylium asteroid
Thorch weave is a nod to the Thatch weave developed by John Thach a US Navy fighter pilot during WW2. He developed the tactic to overcome the early advantage that the Japanese Zero fighter had early in the war. And it was extremely successful as well .
Still is an effective maneuver. While the need for support was especially crucial with the advantages the Zero had over the Wildcat, it's still a need in any dogfight.
@@slewone4905 And because changing would be hugely expensive, and also because sometimes old tech is more reliable than new - cue the Navy replacing touch screens with physical controls on their destroyers after one of them crashed
Those are Mk. II's not III's and it's a call back to how our aircraft today are designed and built, both civilian & military aircraft have backup gauges for all the primary flight systems and even if the mains are digital glass MFD's the backups are mechanical steam gauges that have a guaranteed reliability.
"Starbuck, fall back. You cant take on 8 Cylon ships on your own." "Negative Galactica. My Viper is the only one in the entire fleet with Mark X Plot Armor. I can handle it." "Understandable. Fire on sight."
i always thought "roll a hard six" was slang for starbuck's manuever where she rolls 180 and shoots at the cylon she can't shake until one or the other dies, but ron moore said in a commentary it was just a made up phrase thatmeant nothing.
Rolling 180 wouldn't do much good. Her guns would still be pointed in the wrong direction. Her viper would be upside down. A yaw or pitch maneuver would work. Unless Galactic had better G suits, she also would be able to handle more G forces than a male.
@@rpersen Season 3, reporting in. Specifically the second half. The episode where they escaped New Caprica was strong as hell but it went down fast after that.
Remember...this was the episode where she told Lee about Zack's Flight School report. Crazy thing is...Starbuck had the same conversation with Lee in the pilot miniseries.
@@WarGrowlmon18 -- I could be wrong, yet I am pretty sure that is what the OP is saying. She kind of confessed, once they know SHTF and it was the end of their Worlds. Her confession to Commander Adama would a little more difficult.
starbuck says holy frak and everyone starts panicking even before she can explain xD this shouldve been "HOLY FRACK..... *everyone reacts* ...cylons are human now sooo... can they have babies?!"
3:07 : Viper loses left wing and engine (pretty sure they just recycled the footage of Lee's Viper getting shot during the pilot movie judging by the amount of Raiders in the background) 3:20 : Viper has left wing and engine again
I've watched the series several times now. It just occured to me that an altimeter doesn't make any sense on a space fighter. Not even on an atmosphere rated one as atmospheric pressure would change for every planet visited.
@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds - We don't know that. 150,000 years is a very long time to forget stuff. The Cylon god could be the Zoroastrian god, Mazda, for all we know.
@@conroypaw -- Mazda*? Zoom, Zoom! * - Void where prohibited. Your mileage will vary, inversely with the amount of fun you have driving on an open road!
Yea well it would help, but also its guite hard to anticipate how far something is in space becose you don’t have reference. It would make little difference, since they had tracer bullets that they could have as a refernce point
Julia [nWo] Let us pray that does not happen! Ironically some considered this show to be bad but it is actually pretty good. I would say the best attribute to to this show is that it has a more military atmosphere compared to the original.
@Douglas Pantera BSG75 had exceptionally strong, CREDIBLE female characters - unlike the crappy Mary Sues that are being shoved down our throats these days. If the new Battlestar show will remotely be like Star Trek Discovery or Picard it's gonna be a total disaster ... for the fans AND the producers.
@@mort-m5b -- Really. They haven't indicated whether it's a prequel or a different group of survivors, but it's definitely going to be set in RDM's universe.
Cylon tech is overall more hardy and tough than colonial tech. Also, since their vessels seem to be "grown" using a nanite composite rather than bolted together, it would produce fewer stress/weak points for the shear of the atmosphere to attack and break apart.
@@astronomybrainiac Sounds good,..but it seems like there is no way it would be able to negate the heat of reentry,..and that heat would kill any biological component of the ship, unless it had some tech that was never really introduced into the story.
How do they even see anything in those cockpits? There is no visibility to the rear whatsoever. Is there a HUD somewhere? And why do the raiders keep missing. They‘re machines, they should be much better at aiming, let alone pulling high Gs.
this was always one of the weirdest viper/raider dogfights in the show. it felt sluggish and just overall not as dynamic as they normally are. something weird was going on with the cinematography on this one.
The Raider was still piloted by an organic brain. I think they established later that the idea was the Raiders would be expendable in the sense that they would just download into a new one after they were shot down, thereby gaining experience after every battle. It could very well be that these raiders were just as green as Kara’s trainees.
Cylons were just slightly more advanced machines in the first Colonia vs Cylon war - say around 40 years prior to the time of BSG's scheduled decommissioning (and the last meeting at the Armistice Station). The main trick they acquired since then were the "skin jobs" - so they had to be more human, than the humans - to infiltrate and disable about 90% + of the Colonial defenses. The raiders are probably as good or better than the average trained Colonial Viper pilot - yet not nearly as good as one of the better or best Viper pilots in all the Colonies. Also, hot dog scored a hit, yet was lucky Starbuck was doing so well vs 7. And also, as someone already mentioned, they can learn, die and come back to be a better version of themselves ... that is also a tricky bit of tech right there.
The same reason WWII fighters that had rear mounted or turreted guns were withdrawn from combat and spent the rest of their career as target tugs. And can you name one modern fighter that has rear facing weapons?
And Hot Dog would go on to be Galactica's leading ace by the end. Rarely flashy, but did his job and stayed alive.
He'd even end up as essentially the Viper Squadron Commander in the colony battle
The promotions in BSG made me chuckle a bit. Apollo went from Lieutenant up to Battlestar Commander and everything in between but seemed to finish as a Major. Helo also went from Lieutenant, to XO of Galactica, even held CAG at one point but seemed to stabilise as a Captain. Hotdog steadily worked his way up, same with Hoshi who ended up as Admiral at one point!
That’s what happens when you’re literally the CO’s son 😂
@@Negativvv Senior ranks in BSG went lieutenant - captain - major - colonel - commander - admiral (with a few inbetween that are not used)
Apollo went Lt to Captain to Major.
Adama sr went from Commander to Admiral, promoted by the president.
Helo went from Lt to Captain, as did Starbuck
Hoshi was always a Lt, as was Hotdog and Gaeta
'XO of Galactica', and 'CAG' were positions not ranks. You could hold these positions at any rank. Tigh held Galactica XO throughout most of the series, but his rank was still Colonel - he was the only colonel during the whole show. CAG was held by numerous people of Lt., Captain and Major rank.
Apollo and Hoshi were given 'temporary' or 'brevet' promotions to ensure they had rank over their command (Pegasus and the fleet respectively), hence why they were referred to as 'commander' and 'admiral' - Gaeta technically has this too during his time of command during the mutiny. This practice is common in present-day militaries. When they had finished their command, they returned to their permanent rank - Major for Adama and Lt. for Hoshi - Hoshi never actually gets promoted above Lt!
Lee was already a Captain (Reserve) in the Miniseries
That look adama gives tigh when he asks what's wrong with starbuck
Well he did raise her it's unofficially adopted daughter
Some people can cut you down with just a glance.
@@charlesneely7995 Yes but the backstory is that Starbuck got Adama's son killed by not flunking him out of flight school because she was frakking him. She admits it to Adama when he asks why she failed all the nuggets immediately. He orders her to reinstate them, go train them properly and to get lost. Tigh innocently blunders into it and gets the look. Lovely tight bit of acting.
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@@Ergamenes1 Frakking him is selling it short. They were Engaged. Like this wasn't some fling, this was the Guy she thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with. And as she puts it, Didn't want to be the one to take it away from him as it was his dream. She also didn't want to tell him it, Lee Adama had let slip that Kara didn't want to be a trainer because of what had happened with His brother, thinking he already knew. She admitted it to him when he asked about it after Lee refused to explain any further.
And not only did Adama order her to train them, this is pretty much straight after they had a falling out. And now hes thinking man is the last thing i said to the girl who i consider as a daughter going to be hateful and hurtful things about something that is obviously still haunting her.
I like the detail of experienced Starbuck's flip turn and the newbie Nugget's U-turn
I know this is late, but... I have to point our her situational awareness. She was going head-on with multiple Raiders, he was directly behind her... but she still saw his turn instantly.
Fun fact. The person playing the hot dog is actually the biological son of edward olmos (bodie olmos)
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And this is why they needed Pegasus and her VR pods. Then they don't have to worry about training being interrupted by enemies.
sometikes though, you cant beat the real thing.
Simulators can only do so much: actual flight gives a far better experience. Although it *IS* much easier to train for war during peacetime than during the actual conflict; more so, if, during the latter, your training area is in the enemy's backyard!
While I agree that simulators are very useful, they're not by any means a replacement for real practice. Their main advantage is saving in operational costs.
@@moteroargentino7944
you tart them with simulators and the better students advance to flight training. That's what we do now for airline pilots, now even driving a car in some areas you start on simulators. I could have used that when I was learning to drive in the 70's.
Imagine being in VR training and not realizing a real battle was happening outside.
Already watched the series, already knew what would happen, still on the edge of my seat the whole scene. This series is incredible!
2:15 i never noticed that retractable brake thruster before
It's a feature on Mk 2 and Mk 3 vipers only. Mk 7s use conventional RCS ports instead. I have a theory that the brake thruster might actually be a cold-gas thruster using exhaust ducted from the main engines rather than hydrazine or some other monoprop. Also, you'll see this feature being used again in the battle for the tylium asteroid
I love this mother frakkin show!! "Walk out of this room, while you still can..." -Adama
Thorch weave is a nod to the Thatch weave developed by John Thach a US Navy fighter pilot during WW2. He developed the tactic to overcome the early advantage that the Japanese Zero fighter had early in the war. And it was extremely successful as well .
Successful to the point that it's still used by Navy fighter pilots on occasion.
I just noticed it’s the manoeuvre that Starbucks has Hotdog pull after he gets hit lol
Still is an effective maneuver. While the need for support was especially crucial with the advantages the Zero had over the Wildcat, it's still a need in any dogfight.
@roughrider6129 Even Today?
I love how there’s still an analog gauge to show just how old and classic the vipers mark ones were 😍😍😍
Our government is still using obsolete technology, and they won't change, because it's unhackable. That is why galactica still exist as well.
@@slewone4905 And because changing would be hugely expensive, and also because sometimes old tech is more reliable than new - cue the Navy replacing touch screens with physical controls on their destroyers after one of them crashed
Actually thats a Mark 3 Viper
But yeah they are very old since its like... from the First Cylon War
If it was a Mark 1 Viper the other Starbuck would be flying it.
Those are Mk. II's not III's and it's a call back to how our aircraft today are designed and built, both civilian & military aircraft have backup gauges for all the primary flight systems and even if the mains are digital glass MFD's the backups are mechanical steam gauges that have a guaranteed reliability.
the images of those two crippled fighters slowly falling into the planets gravity well has stuck with me all these years.
Was cool to see kat and hotdog be nuggets to top pilots also scar was born here
Hogan is so good. I wish him a speedy recovery.
So do we all......
@@arnoldsherrill6305 so say we all
@@riechjoverzala9087 SO SAY WE ALL!
So say we all
So say we all!
Thorch Weave, ha ha, good reference to the Thatch Weave. Someone's been brushing up on their Naval Aviation history.
This shows attention to military structure and details was awesome.
This two episode arc was one of the best of the series.
Hands downone of the best air battle scenes of the whole series
Is it just me who noticed the reused clip from the miniseries from when Lee lost his wing? And then it shows hotdog's wing still perfectly intact.
What about it
4:33 to 4:34 /35
8 vs 1. Damn Starbuck is a badass.
Starbuck when she found that dead raider: Thanks, God. I owe you one.
I believe you mean "gods".
So many TOS episodes, and even a G80 (sorta), represented in this little clip.
You started this war! Plunged Skyrim into chaos! Now the Empire is going to put you down and restore the peace!
2:15 - Perfection!
Damnit now I have to watch the whole series again!
By far my favorite episode of this show. He confessing her sin to Adama… My god.
My favorite episode of the whole series “Act of Contrition”
Hotdog certainly relished the chance to save his leader.
He's played by Edward James Olmos' (William Adama) son you know.
He was late getting back to the battle, so he had to play ketchup? Put a little extra mustard on his shots? Bet he thinks Starbuck has nice buns.
In a deadly encounter with Hotdog, there can only be one wiener.
SPICY MUSTARD
That hit she landed before her Viper went down took out the Raider's brain.
"Starbuck, fall back. You cant take on 8 Cylon ships on your own."
"Negative Galactica. My Viper is the only one in the entire fleet with Mark X Plot Armor. I can handle it."
"Understandable. Fire on sight."
But she gets shot down here
I never realized before that Hotdog had been a part of the show all the way back to season 1!
I think a lot of people don't realize that the actor is Edward James Olmos' son too.
@@WarGrowlmon18 NO WAY
@@Ueberdoziz Bodie Olmos 👍
There are indications that the last Raider which she downs and later takes over is actually Scar.
Hell of a fight.
I'd love to be out there alone...even better Starbuck's Navigator.im sure I could squeeze in.
"Order the flight leader to destroy the targets!" "***** Strike 1, tear 'em up!" (sorry wrong episode...thats from The Hand of God)
i always thought "roll a hard six" was slang for starbuck's manuever where she rolls 180 and shoots at the cylon she can't shake until one or the other dies, but ron moore said in a commentary it was just a made up phrase thatmeant nothing.
Rolling 180 wouldn't do much good. Her guns would still be pointed in the wrong direction. Her viper would be upside down. A yaw or pitch maneuver would work. Unless Galactic had better G suits, she also would be able to handle more G forces than a male.
Starbuck: "...Then it's a dogfight..."
Hotdog: "A Mk2 Viper? Against 20th generation Cylon Raiders?"
Starbuck: "It's not the plane. It's the pilot" :D
Gods, BSG was so strong then.
Was it ever weak?
@@rpersen Season 3, reporting in. Specifically the second half. The episode where they escaped New Caprica was strong as hell but it went down fast after that.
Remember...this was the episode where she told Lee about Zack's Flight School report.
Crazy thing is...Starbuck had the same conversation with Lee in the pilot miniseries.
No he already knew. Adama didn't.
@@WarGrowlmon18 -- I could be wrong, yet I am pretty sure that is what the OP is saying. She kind of confessed, once they know SHTF and it was the end of their Worlds. Her confession to Commander Adama would a little more difficult.
...maydaymayday...starbuck's in a flat spin , she's headed out to sea...
Shoulda been Duck, Goose, Duck!
"Eject! Eject! Eject! Watch the canopy!"
OOF that green wash
Holy frak we've got incoming, launch the alert fighters, Galactica we're going to need you to send the calvary, nuggets punch it for home
Thanks a lot for this program, Please Could some one send us the Return of Starbuck to watch again this episode please.
2:25 Sorry, I have to do this...
That’s what she said!
starbuck says holy frak and everyone starts panicking even before she can explain xD
this shouldve been "HOLY FRACK..... *everyone reacts*
...cylons are human now sooo... can they have babies?!"
Anyone know the name of the song playing as she’s going down in flames?
And then Starbuck died and never became a weird agent of God thing...The end!
We wish.
wrong episode THis one is when she takes a cylon ship and fly it back home.
Slew One they were being sarcastic
@kobeno1 You don't know me, cause then you'd know I prefer 2010!
2010 was an ok flick, but Jupiter turning into a star was dumb at the end. Earth would have been fried instantly.
Still gets me.
3:07 : Viper loses left wing and engine (pretty sure they just recycled the footage of Lee's Viper getting shot during the pilot movie judging by the amount of Raiders in the background)
3:20 : Viper has left wing and engine again
Yeah, reused footage makes me cringe a bit each time when saw it in Deep space 9 and Babylon 5 first, and here in BSG again
@@darkleome5409 Then there's the original Battlestar Galactica (1978). That show was the king of recycled footage.
I've watched the series several times now. It just occured to me that an altimeter doesn't make any sense on a space fighter. Not even on an atmosphere rated one as atmospheric pressure would change for every planet visited.
Starbuck....that was a stunt worthy of Warner Voss....
Season 1, top Shelf.
Sooo this all happened 150,000 years ago... cool . At least we know where the names of the Greek gods came from
@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds - We don't know that. 150,000 years is a very long time to forget stuff. The Cylon god could be the Zoroastrian god, Mazda, for all we know.
@@conroypaw -- Mazda*? Zoom, Zoom!
* - Void where prohibited. Your mileage will vary, inversely with the amount of fun you have driving on an open road!
Heh Kat goofed. She called Hotdog Chuckles.
What season/episode was this one? I'd like to see how it started and how it ends. Thanks.
Season 1, Episode 4
A Cylon protecting humans. Isn't that something?
Where did that occur in this scene?
Starbuck and Hotdog both bled blood, not engine oil like several of the crew.
While the 2000s BSG was amazing, I never understood why the Vipers didn't seem to have any sort of Gunsight whatsoever.
Yea well it would help, but also its guite hard to anticipate how far something is in space becose you don’t have reference. It would make little difference, since they had tracer bullets that they could have as a refernce point
Why didn't the Raider burn up as the Viper did?
Repeat, please.
If you look at what Hollywood has done to Star Wars and Star Trek, I tremble with fear thinking about the upcoming reboot of the show ...
Julia [nWo] Let us pray that does not happen! Ironically some considered this show to be bad but it is actually pretty good. I would say the best attribute to to this show is that it has a more military atmosphere compared to the original.
@Douglas Pantera
BSG75 had exceptionally strong, CREDIBLE female characters - unlike the crappy Mary Sues that are being shoved down our throats these days. If the new Battlestar show will remotely be like Star Trek Discovery or Picard it's gonna be a total disaster ... for the fans AND the producers.
They aren't rebooting it, keeping it the same universe thank the gods!
@@SaraK_69 Really?
@@mort-m5b -- Really. They haven't indicated whether it's a prequel or a different group of survivors, but it's definitely going to be set in RDM's universe.
How did the raider survive re-entry but the viper did not?
The raider didn’t have 40 years of wear and tear on it. Besides I think they recovered Starbuck’s fighter
Cylon tech is overall more hardy and tough than colonial tech. Also, since their vessels seem to be "grown" using a nanite composite rather than bolted together, it would produce fewer stress/weak points for the shear of the atmosphere to attack and break apart.
@@astronomybrainiac Sounds good,..but it seems like there is no way it would be able to negate the heat of reentry,..and that heat would kill any biological component of the ship, unless it had some tech that was never really introduced into the story.
Starbuck is hot then.... she is still hot today!
How do they even see anything in those cockpits? There is no visibility to the rear whatsoever. Is there a HUD somewhere? And why do the raiders keep missing. They‘re machines, they should be much better at aiming, let alone pulling high Gs.
You see that glow in their helmets?
Some eight idiots are going to take on a whole Starbuck.
this was always one of the weirdest viper/raider dogfights in the show. it felt sluggish and just overall not as dynamic as they normally are. something weird was going on with the cinematography on this one.
Starbuck taking on all 8 is just all kinds of wrong. 🤣
Starbuck needs some starbuck coffee to calm her down lol.
I've always been amused that the hyper-advanced Cylon robots miss their targets 99.999% of the time.
Yes but that's always the same for any show, at least until GOT
The Raider was still piloted by an organic brain. I think they established later that the idea was the Raiders would be expendable in the sense that they would just download into a new one after they were shot down, thereby gaining experience after every battle. It could very well be that these raiders were just as green as Kara’s trainees.
Cylons were just slightly more advanced machines in the first Colonia vs Cylon war - say around 40 years prior to the time of BSG's scheduled decommissioning (and the last meeting at the Armistice Station).
The main trick they acquired since then were the "skin jobs" - so they had to be more human, than the humans - to infiltrate and disable about 90% + of the Colonial defenses.
The raiders are probably as good or better than the average trained Colonial Viper pilot - yet not nearly as good as one of the better or best Viper pilots in all the Colonies. Also, hot dog scored a hit, yet was lucky Starbuck was doing so well vs 7. And also, as someone already mentioned, they can learn, die and come back to be a better version of themselves ... that is also a tricky bit of tech right there.
And Joe Biden has said "No fraking way" to fracking...
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Why they never had guns pointing backward????
The same reason WWII fighters that had rear mounted or turreted guns were withdrawn from combat and spent the rest of their career as target tugs.
And can you name one modern fighter that has rear facing weapons?
The hammerheads in space above and beyond. Long live the 5 8. Shuffle up the wild cards and deal em!!!
@@merrt034th8 You line up the rear facing gun, and the Bandit also has a straight shot on You.
@@linusa2996 Russian aircraft with R-73E and F-35 with DAS/AIM-9X
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The actor playing Hot Dog was a terrible performer
Idiotic writing - "why didn't we see them coming", "where the hell did they come from" - well, they have just JUMPED IN.
This is cheesy
to much swearing Frak thumbs down
I'm reporting this video for profanity in the title.
I loved this episode!