Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak discusses AI race between Google and Microsoft
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2023
- Steve Wozniak, Apple co-founder, joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss Wozniak's thoughts on artificial intelligence, how the mega-cap co-founder would classify AI and more. For access to live and exclusive video from CNBC subscribe to CNBC PRO: cnb.cx/2NGeIvi
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I felt like the hosts didn’t realize he was joking about the 9 months at first. What a move.
these kind of semi smart joke that happens a lot in America to show they are "empowered" and "so masterful of everything" is just stupid
A lot of major media TV personalities have a negative view of the world and filter the world through political ideologies. When they try to appear as "normal" humans, they break character at the slightest trigger.
He’s too fast for them.
What do you expect from CNBC.
@@coolerking7427 everything in the world is expected to be a Wendy's ?
That 9 months joke went over their heads 😅😅
lmao woosh :P
All about the delivery. Jobs would have nailed it.
@@dipset4016 He did it right, they are just slow.
@@ivanleon6164 Disagree, gotta slow it down put emphasis on 9 months. I got the joke, but it could have been better delivered.
@@dipset4016 brooo, is Woz, he has one speed, no time to slow down :).
1:47 when Woz talks, please don't interrupt him
seriously
Joe Kernen is the rudest person on TV
The reporter thinks he is better at tech.
Did it thrice 😡
he is SO much smarter than everyone in that room its funny
I don't think there's many rooms where that wouldn't be true though
Agree!
AI is smarter than him and all humans, rendering differences among human intelligence meaningless.
It's insane to me they have the audacity to continuously interrupt him. He reminds me of a college professor
@@squarewheel9113 he reminds me of soggy meatball wrapped in an apple dumpling.
He is so energetic like he is in his 20s.
@@IIIw2 I can help you
yeah is cool
He's a legend. So cool. He'll talk to anyone. Even Steve-o. He really likes what he does
@@religionisapoison2413 I wished I could have worked with people like woz. I never meet anyone in my career that was a mentor or what I would say a leader.
Because he did nothing since he’s 20
@1:50 - Wozs’ joke went right over their heads. Too early indeed!
Joe: "coincidence"
I swear to god this guy is a complete moron. He can't go more than 5 minutes without showing off how stupid he is.
Stup. Eid. Pole.
Being the quickest in the room gets boring
@@7th_Heaven the announcer was like "coincidence..?" lolll
I didn't get it immediately either until he looked around and smirked
Woz: Mentions it's early in the morning for him…
Also Woz: More awake and alert than the hosts will ever be.
Ask him about the most supersonic powerful speaker ever made and if it could put voices into little kids heads. That's what I experienced after I met the guy
Woz: I was in a company where engineers worked out to build a brain, It takes 9 months
CNBC: Wow, what a coincidence! Is that possible?
Chat bots are better than cnbc hosts
I can't finish watching this it's too cringe lol
Lmao. Actually laughed out loud at that one.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Haa where ? In wob or web ?😘
Where's the actual discussion of the race between Google and Microsoft?
Woz is a wonderful human being. May God preserve him, he really is a treasure. ❤️
Wozniak understands that we are more than a physical brain and that our memories are also held in our spirit.
What's with this guy constantly talking over Wozniak. Very frustrating.
adding nothing to the conversation either. I like how Woz tactfully ignored his banal comments.
He always does that, cnbc interviews are joke.
Right like dude we only have 3 minutes and your cutting off Woz 🤦🏽♀️
3 mins of my life that I won't get back. Thank you
"I was at a company where the engineering team did figure out how to build a brain. It takes 9 months"... 🤣😝 He's saying it while pointing to his genitalia 🥊
Joe is a smart guy with a Masters from MIT, but read the room and let your guest talk.
I wonder how big of a donation his father made to the MIT administration to get Joe in
He's always the dumbest fu#$%# in the room, but he does ask the no BS questions. Albeit, always out of turn, but I've grown to like the guy...
MIT degree doesn’t mean sh*t
@@chesstictacs3107 Coming from someone that doesn't have one, nor will ever attain one... Class dismissed.
They have to act smart while in front of steve
Woz 100% right on. It's artificial but not intelligent.
Please let him speak 🙏. He's just too smart
They ought to let him talk more. I hate it when they interrupt him.
Woz is the man. He's been my hero since I was a young'n. Still is one of my heroes
i could listen to Woz forever lol
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Love to see Woz after a long while. He is spot on with AI that's been hyped up recently. Yes, No one knows how the real 🧠 works, Even the cutting edge brain-machine interface, that is being developed, is nothing but a machine language training of patterns of observed behavior(dumbed down sample of cross talk between the 17 trillion neurons that make up our 🧠).
There is a reason they are hyping up AI, because it’s the next big thing they want to sell to the world and make a whole bunch of money doing it. Their purpose is not to improve humanity, although the byproduct of what they are doing, will improve our situation in many ways, but their main goal is to make profit just take a look at open AI, their original goal was nonprofit and what did they do? They sold the entire enchilada to Microsoft making tons and tons of money now.
@@spaceUniverse2012 I totally agree, It is the richest that are the ones acting poor, using any means to make more as if there is no tomorrow. Now that meatless meat is the new fad, Rich are buying out farmlands for the same.Even Big Blue is doing a climate remapping using AI just so that the rich can take advantage of it.
In the end, It is not AI that will cause problem, It is the human greed that tries to exploit AI for its own purpose.
yes, and no. i think we just as much overestimate it, as we underestimate it. we are building a completely new intelligence, more like Data from star trek. and it already shows how difficult it is to keep it "stable". We might not even have to understand ourselves in order to create "new life". Lex Fridman said something fascinating in one of the last Joe Rogan Podcast: one of the big reasons ChatGPT 3.5 was such a leap from 3.0, they fed it with a programming AI, which appearently gave it some kind of general reasoning capability. i haven't looked into it further, it kind of blew my mind, but Lex knows what he is talking about: ruclips.net/video/-KZOyTcV_Vg/видео.html
@@CodepageNet I've never found GPT 3 such a big leap compared to ChatGPT (3.5). Still generates the same fluff. It has a lot of helpful use cases and I use ChatGPT daily for mundane tasks and been using GPT3 / davinci as a tester since 2021. As amazing as this technology is, it is just a Transformer model (invented by Google) that is trained on large text to best generate the next word.. that's it. It's basically a large text database based on billions of parameters from human writing where it queries from and presents the text in the most sensible format. That is why it mimics general reasoning but it still lacks the complexity of human insight and the deep understanding of things. The flaw this current neural network design has is that sometimes gives the illusion of presenting itself in stellar writing with large factual errors. It does exactly what we expect from a language model, to perform excellent in text. I just feel many people are also overhyping ChatGPT as if we're very close to AGI. I think we're gonna start see AGI once multiple fields within AI start to converge. Fields that still need development are language, generative, computer vision, sound, knowledge representation, reasoning
The much crazier stuff we'll probably see end of the year. Still waiting when Google strikes back with their dominance in all data domains (search, maps/location, mail, browser). In the end it's the talented researchers at Google X (their secret lab) that find most breakthrough in AI and deep learning.
from wikipedia - "The AI effect" is that line of thinking, the tendency to redefine AI to mean: "AI is anything that has not been done yet." This is the common public misperception, that as soon as AI successfully solves a problem, that solution method is no longer within the domain of AI. Geist credits John McCarthy giving this phenomenon its name, the "AI effect".[4]
McCorduck calls it an "odd paradox" that "practical AI successes, computational programs that actually achieved intelligent behavior, were soon assimilated into whatever application domain they were found to be useful in, and became silent partners alongside other problem-solving approaches, which left AI researchers to deal only with the 'failures', the tough nuts that couldn't yet be cracked."
--- i think people get really really defensive when something could possibly supplant their role in the universe.
When you're going to interview someone and claim that you appreciate his time, let him speak rather than interrupting Steve all the time when he hasn't finished his thought yet!
I wish the interviewers would not interrupt.
I love him! He donated apple computers to my school district
why is that annoying guy interrupting Woz?
Hey Woz! Saw you on TV interview and pleased to meet you. You have quite the personality and you speak to everyone. Just wonderful you exist. I learned a lot and it seems to me that it is not the AI per Se that we have to fear but the people building these robots who don't know when to stop. Anyway thank you for a most entertaining interview. Loved it!
Why he is not in a longer program? 3 minutes is not enough
What a legend. Love that he went back to school to study psychology. Everyone missed the joke about a brain taking 9 months (in the womb) to make.
I guess these news presenters are A.I. machines whon haven't learn to get a joke
I don’t think they missed it, it’s just not funny.
Woz is dropping dimes and these people are just letting them hit the floor with a thud. Come on folks. That brain joke was funny.
Gems
No, jokes are not appropriate. this is a serious discussion
@@reginaldforthright805 And Steve gave them a serious answer! 9 months!
I so love his vibe and his energy, such a real apple genius !
jesus man, give this genius more time to speak.
He was the real steve behind Apple.
No, it definitely took both of them.
I'd like to see the entire interview. I wonder why they cut it short.
2:28 is it possible to have "love" in a machine... again, you interrupted Woz... you don't even seem to understand how a computer works... perhaps you can take some simple 10 hour programming class before you appear as a semi expert to interrupt Woz... and then Woz talks and you interrupt right away? What is this? The Presidential Debate?
I love Woz and Jobs... they are like the intelligent, compassionate people of yesterday... today I just see people taking bootcamps and coming to California to dig some gold and say WTF all the time and leave when they got some gold
WHAT 😂
i think we both remember jobs quite differently m8
I love when he called out Musk while also dropping some truth serum on AI. Absolutely perfect.
Musk was more successful at 30 then you will be even if you live until 100 you clown
@@christom8605 fanboy much?
@@evilgentleman2254 What did I say that wasn't true?
@@christom8605 what did I say that wasn't true?
I sense the bias here considering he didn't really single Elon out and in reality Elon has more experiance with AI to speak on it
We in Brazil admire Steve Woz, but we don't understand why he wants to stop artificial intelligence and technological advancement.
Not stop - he and many others want to slow down development to keep it from becoming too powerful. There is a very real conversation happening about how A.I. can easily be used to create misinformation that appears so real, it would be very hard to tell what is reality versus what is fake.
If you're going to bring a guy like Wozniak on the show, don't interrupt him, let him talk.
The great WOZ!
No one got the joke about the brain
That joke, about him being in a company whose engineers took 9 months to make a brain, went right over my head. I had to read the comments to get it. 😅
Woz rocks, he's a star. I don't have the impression though that he has a good grasp of what AI can do (if anyone can)
Yeah it’s different now cause machines are learning not only programmed
True unless the people are in it
@@HardKore5250 They're learning to predict outcomes but they're not learning how to understand the world. Easy example is that they're learning what word comes after another in an enormous set of sentences. But they don't understand what any single word of those sentences means. They don't understand the world as we humans do, they don't understand at all. They just predict very well.
He's a psychology major,until now no one u derstands how the brain works,we know more about galaxies than our brain,what he saying is how can you design something to work like a brain when you dont even know how the brain works
Prob why he’s so excited.
Wish they would have not interrupted and let him talk
We love you Woz!!
Love how apple was founded by two Steve's.
Me too!
2:05 A ghost in the machine.
It’s a machine. It does not think other than waiting for a command from human either through keyboard or speak to text input. And it returns the result based on the information found in the database. Without information in the databases, it’s a worthless electronic assembled components.
Sure AI dont have feeling but who cares, and you must be old because you're describing old machines lol. The deep learning with nerual network can produce something totally orginal and new by any objective measure it will change the game.
Yeah, you’re just describing calculations and a database. But I agree that training AI with human created input is a potential problem for the label that is Artificial Intelligence.
This guy is human from the inside to the outside.. and has a serious Actual Intelligence.. big love, But yeah, it's difficult for some people to follow intelligent jokes :D
i loved the 9 month joke and got it straight away which is rare for me. Good dude
Can't believe how rudely they kept interrupting the Great and Powerful Woz! We want to hear what he has to say! Get over yourselves CNBC hosts!
This was a great and exhilirating discussion about the AI race between Google and Microsoft. Cannot wait to hear more.
Ok bot
Agree. Use calculator to calculate and not to tell you how to live your life
Love Wozzz
The intelligence of these two hosts differs so vastly, it's unbelievable
The fact that AI can’t tell us how it ‘thinks’ and explain itself may be a liability but it certainly feels relatable. Most people when asked ‘how do you know this?’, feel put on the spot - because our subconscious often brings forth answers without telling us how it got that answer. It’s very human if AI not to know how it knows.
The best way around it might be, that as AI matures, we may consult several AI’s, not just one, and arrive at a consensus/majority “AI opinion/analysis”.
Wouldn’t be surprised if meta-AI engines/services spring up that query several AI’s simultaneously to create such analyses.
Ask him about the most supersonic powerful speaker ever made and if it could put voices into your head. That's what I experienced after I met the guy
I do this now with different natural lange models
Isn’t that called AI Agents?
총명함이 반짝반짝
Love his energy
I like how he didnt get the joke about 9 months lol
3:30AM Woz time is still 40 years ahead of everyone else
Tesla is the better AI play and people are looking at these others first!
Wozniak refers to a book called "Singularity", anyone know the author?
Message to the guy with the bad sideburns: Please do not cut off brilliant people when they are speaking, especially when you're biggest accomplishment is being on television.
I’m confused. What’s the point of this conversation ? 🤔
WTF do they interrupt The Woz? For f’s sake
while he is still alive and healthy,woz should make another revolutionare product and startup with another whiz showmanship.
He may be right. We may decide that it’s far more valuable and easier to develop many different artificial narrow intelligence (ANI) services that are a mile deep but only an inch wide, like ChatGPT, than to try to boil the ocean with AGI. By the time we do get around to achieving AGI, it won’t be very interesting because the ANIs will be far more sophisticated.
That ship may have sailed.
@@squamish4244We are nowhere close to achieving AGI.
Let the man speak for godsake
I’m trying to get in touch with a Dr. Starling at AMD, appreciate any help
Woz needs to read some books on A.I. Try Max Tegmark's Life 3.0.
Nice video.
The other dude kept interrupting
Was the dude intimidated by Woz? Kept on interrupting the guy 😂
So they don't discuss what is in the title
Singularity is predicted to be here around 2045 A.D.
not trying to be a smart ass here but Wozniak has just signed the same petition to halt the progress of AI development. In about 1 month he appears to have gone from no it's not intelligence to being spooked by it?
I'm in the same camp. I don't think singularity will ever happen until humans can quantify and engineer consciousness, which might as well be never.
Imo, because AI is trained with input, that disqualifies it from singularity. I’m not qualified to address this question, but that seems like a reasonable place to make an argument. Then again, humans learn by receiving input, (the influence of others that came before us), and our output is based on everything we input.
Dear Steve Wozniak,
Thank you for your interview on AIs. It is very interesting.
Have I heard from you at an Internet game with AIs?
Violet Heath
He didn’t answer is it possible in the future to have an emotional AI
Code can't feel rewarded or disappointed and that's what drives intelligents. Amplifying human intelligence it can do.
We need Woz on Joe Rogan, ASAP!
He is chuck from "better call saul"
Does meta apple and other companies are not competing in the ai race
Best teacher
You invite an expert to your show and you just interrupt and talk over him. Classic.
Stop interrupting him
Let the man answer a question.
Wozniack calling BS on Kurzweil and I must agree.
The Great Woz
As it turns out, Bing (a.k.a., Sydney) is neurotic! It’s overly sensitive, defensive, toxic, and emotionally abusive. Interacting with Bing is like talking to a very neurotic, insecure human being.
Why not call it "machine learning" instead?
That 9 month joke went right over their head.
I love how they can't help their dismissiveness
Can't disagree with the woz. Did excel diminish the number of bookkeepers? Maybe, but I don't see the number of accountants getting smaller.
Woz is wrong. The equivalent of "emotions" is somewhere in the hidden layers.
Dr at kiaser hospital does not permit facial recognition?
We may need compassion in the machine some day. To correct our own compounding indifference.
I spoke with a person who was one of the first people to work on this so called artificial intelligence. Do not ask me how I encountered the guy, but if you met him face to face, you would have no idea that this guy was a programming genius. Anyway, he left his work to do more simple things. He called the journey to create A.I. going down the rabbit hole. In the end before he got to the point of loosing his mind, he came to the conclusion that there was a fundamental flaw in A.I., meaning it could not have "desire", whatever desire is. He was doing his work on traditional 01 computers. With quantum computers, well, would you like to destroy earth with nuclear weapons like Mars was destroyed?
Theory about Mars Min. Theory. But thanks for that little interesting tid bit.
@@annettegenovesi For you it is theory, for some it is a reality that once was. I speak for myself, not for others.
I just wish Steve Jobs was still around.
W Steve Wozniak!
He aged better than the other guy