Bipolar Disorder vs Borderline Personality Disorder [Differences & How to Spot Them]
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The signs of bipolar disorder vs borderline personality disorder (BPD) often look similar. Discover their differences and how to spot them.
In this video, MedCircle host Kyle Kittleson and double board certified child and adolescent psychiatrist Dr. Domenick Sportelli answer...
Why is borderline personality disorder so commonly misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder?
What symptoms overlap between bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder?
What are the key differences between bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder
What are the signs someone may have been misdiagnosed with bipolar disorder OR BPD?
Have you seen this misdiagnosis in your own practice? If so, what made you realize it was the wrong diagnosis?
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Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)
Histrionic personality disorder (HPD)
Schizoid personality disorder (SPD)
Avoidant personality disorder (AVPD)
Paranoid personality disorder (PPD)
Schizotypal personality disorder (STPD)
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)
Obsessive compulsive personality disorder (OCPD)
Borderline personality disorder (BPD)
Dependent personality disorder (DPD)
Related: dissociative identity disorder (DID) formerly known as multiple personality disorder
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I've heard it's possible to have both. Is there a video on what that could look like? Great video by the way.
Can you do a talk on BPD, bipolar and cptsd. I was misdiagnosed on and off for decades. I'm female with ASD and have cptsd. Now that I have done my own research with my husband we see the difference. Cptsd is more like a cat, you want to leave great. I need alone time. I would rather be alone than have people abuse me mental or physical anymore. Where as, BPD is more like a dog where they cling to people for fear of abandonment, they are very needy. I came up with that. I was not trying to upset anyone just trying to make it easier to understand for my husband and why I was not BPD or bipolar. Just female with lots of severe early childhood trauma that has ASD which is mild but add in all the trauma on top of trauma as a child and you can see how I was badly misdiagnosed.
My daughter has Autonomic dysfunction, epilepsy. She has battled epstein barr virus, lyme disease, battled cancer twice. Diagnosed with BPD. She went for therapy and has made such progress. She has her honours in psychology and holds down a job. It was a long hard road and still is. But do not give up, you can get better and improve your quality of life. Respect to everyone who is struggling.
Your daughter is an inspiration. I hope she is well today and for the future!
Wow, she really deserves respect!
I'm happy she is doing very well.
You’re one of this amazing parents
I.suffer from biplor disorder I take my medicine I'm ok
I've been diagnosed with PTSD, BPD and type 2 bipolar disorder. Turns out I had these when I was younger and didn't know it. I mean I had all the symptoms but never knew what it was I. I was just thought to be moody, over sensitive, a worrywart and irritable. As I got older things got worse. I began to panic at and about the silliest things. I had anxiety issues around a lot of people. I'm glad I now know that there was an underlying reason for my behavior because i seriously thought I was losing myself. I just couldn't help myself not to mention I got in trouble a lot.
Same I’ve gone and tatted most of my face because of it
I understand the tat thing. When I got my first tattoo I was immediately addicted. It was a release, almost euphoric. I feel each one, it's a moment in time for me. I even got in on a few piercings. My mania was pretty extreme at times but there were times I just was angry at the world. Usually for no reason sprinkled with no tolerance people.
Cont.
The depression is horrible. I try to focus on daily activities and try to do something different at least once a day or find a project to throw myself into
The beginning of your story is just like mine, but I still haven’t gotten a proper confirmation of the diagnosis. It might be schizophrenia (negative symptoms and some positive ones rarely) and I don’t know what else, but doctors suspect that it’s bipolar disorder, yet after listening to the video, The trigger thing goes with me, there has to be triggers that cause me to feel the negative emotions ( I rarely become happy but it happened for two weeks a month ago and my family are still shocked and they associate it to the pills that another doctor changed them for me. I feel so lost and don’t know if I’ll ever get a correct reliable diagnosis and receive the right treatment. I don’t even know how to speak. I was envious of how fluent the doctor was.
@@gennipherlot2055 exactly and my family don’t understand look at me in disgust
I have BPD and very easily am triggered to split and instantly "disown" or no longer care about a girlfriend if she even mentions an ex... its exhausting and has clearly led to incapability to maintain a relationship.
Well. I have Bipolar, but for what I've been feeling and reading for 12 years. It does relate to trauma. In my case I was sexual abused when I was 4 and now with 29, I wasn't able to maintain a stable relationship. I have no idea what happened in your life, but it's required to serch for therapy to learn how better manege the emotions.
@@Ana-uy1ck
bipolar is genetic it doesn't relate to any kind of trauma .😒😒
@@letshangout6359 Incorrect, bipolar isn't only formed because of genes
@@misstigerbubbles according to what study ??? it is pure genetic my friend
That's a good boundary to have. Yes its exhausting and a bit much, but a neurotypical person would also count that as time to leave. It means they aren't over them either or worse, still friends with them. Don't beat yourself up for this one, lots of relationship podcasts say this is a major red flag anyways. I believe you though, I have BPD as well. It's so hard seeing whats red flags and whats paranoia.
Would love a video on having both of the disorders. :(
Yes, I have Bipolar with Borderline traits, so it would definitely be interesting to me.
@@rachelm79 that's ironic ,im looking for answer cause im pretty damn sure i have BPD with bipolar traits lol
@@Amused_Comfort_Inc don’t self diagnosis
@@user-li7gm7gv3v they’re not self diagnosing 😐 if you’re feeling this way all the mf time then you’re gonna want to look for answers? like how else are people going to know they need help 💀 obviously in some cases people self diagnose and harm the community but thats like 5% ............ yall are so annoying just
mind ur business .. ur the reason so many people doubt themselves and their thoughts and think that theyre all okay because theyre scared of self diagnosing 😐 but anyways ...
@@user-li7gm7gv3v it’s always ok to see how you feel and research for yourself. They aren’t self diagnosing unless they actively say I have...don’t twist people’s words.
I’d love to hear more about mixed episodes in bipolar disorder.
It’s hard when no one understands especially your family
Seems at times the families have given up, but often are either uneducated or unwilling to understand the issue.
Not even family. I am all alone. Trying to find what am I diagnosed with..
I have borderline. I know that’s what I have. I know I am not bipolar.
It took years to figure it out. But once I heard about borderline, I instantly knew it’s what I have.
It was amazing to finally figure it out. But equally sad to have to accept it.
Is have to write a novel to explain things in detail.
And a lot of professionals that give out a diagnosis have no clue what they are talking about.
It’s dangerous.
And when your support group and family abandon you, it’s basically a death sentence.
CAnt go on... simply tired of being misunderstood.
And mostly tired of the life sucking power of a mental disorder.
Doesn’t matter what anyone gets or believes.
Borderlines are ALWAYS miserable in some way.
EXTREME LOWS AND EXTREME HIGHS ARE MY EXISTENCE
You are right about that...someone can say something slightly negative and it affects you deeply and it triggers a reaction and makes you so defensive of yourself. Never realized having a chronic illness since 6 really affected me even though I had a loving family. I have finally found a physician, psychiatrist, and therapist (that team) that helps. Sadly, I do need meds because I do have major depressive disorder as well as BPD: Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Seroquel, Lamictal and Klonopin as needed. It’s a lot but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I hope you find the balance you need though so it can be tolerable to live with.
I am the same way. It hurts so bad to know I won't have a good life.
I will be praying for you Jennifer! My daughter was on the streets for over 2 years a living nightmare and I believed all this time that she had borderline. She is in prison for not showing up to probation so she got violation of probation and went to prison. I could write a book. I'm raising her kid(s) currently and I'm very frustrated how there was no help for her. She fell through the cracks as I stated to the courts that I needed help for her. But, due to Covid no one was seeing or taking patients. I believe she will come through this and she will have a testimony to help others as she has always done. Lisa. 🌻
It’s possible to recover from BPD, which no one talks about. For me, miserable episodes with my BPD are now (after years of behavioral therapy) outweighed by how elated, happy, and loving extremes feel with my disorders. us BPDs feel miserable in a moment and it overwrites all good memories and moments. With therapy one can achieve mindfulness to the positive sides of being neurodivergent, I promise. BPD makes you an amazing deeply feeling person and with professional help you can outweigh the shit with being present and observing the good emotional moments and episodes too.
@@kated1268 im praying for you :)
I've been diagnosed as bipolar but was misdiagnosed as borderline recently by a new psychiatrist who noted that I was triggered by an end of a friendship and marital stress. What I know about myself is that prolonged periods of stress cause interrupted sleep or insomnia, which might lead to mixed episodes. I had also been put on an antidepressant which is another trigger for me. It was the perfect storm.
I think it's important to note that these episodes rarely happen for me (once ever few years) and feel very distinct, like being dosed with a powerful drug and not knowing when I'll feel normal again, and they typically last for at least a month and take many more months to fully recover. I might appear as borderline during mixed episodes but that's not my normal way of responding to my environment/interactions. I'm not at all myself during episodes and it's terrifying.
My bipolar disorder presents very similarly to yours. I think it's considered "classic bipolar". Stress and lack of sleep are my two main triggers for having a moderate - severe depressive or manic episode. I've had a few years of stability, now, for which I am very grateful. Peace and love to you. 💚
Severe PMS can share many of these characteristics even very severe forms then very suddenly lifts with the onset of a period leaving the woman with relief but severe guilt and “omg I did it again” along with a shell-shocked family where everyone needs counseling.
I just want to say that I am seeing a lot of understanding and positivity in the comments, people opening up, people asking advice, others trying to help and understand eachother. Keep it up guys. Love yourselves and eachother, and remember your illness/es do not define you. You are a worthy person and I am proud of you for seeking knowledge and help for yourselves and for other people!
🙏 sending good vibes
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Thank you for the encouraging words. 🌻
I’m currently dealing with this exact situation. Constantly changing medication and treating the symptoms, but still labeled as bpd. Thanks for confirming my thinking and confirming I’m not going crazy.
Did you get sorted with a medication? I’m going through the exact same thing!
that’s because there is no fda approved medication for the treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder.
Good job! This one was really well done and informative. More people should talk about topics like this.
Finally more focus on this. Less labelling . I have had Massive financial pressure and have always tried to remain responsible.
yo nice pfp, you a umineko fan?
@@handsomelyditto4215 Yes. I think a lot of Umineko fans have borderline personality disorder, autism or other disorders. Personally, I also like researching these topics.
Thanks for talking about this! It’s so hard to tell between to two for many reasons. Also bc a lot of times of a BPD person has a trigger you might not even know what it is or ever find out what it was. So it can seem like their moods are random too. :/
Yup! I was misdiagnosed with BPD because of self harm and chronic suicidal ideation. For me, those are the result of cptsd (I know it’s still a controversial diagnosis). Meds for my
Bipolar disorder and therapy focused on managing the bipolar disorder and healing the cptsd has helped.
Everything being done over zoom is depressing :(
at least you didn’t die of COVID
@@cristenaaa how do you know that? I could be a zombie
Thanks for such great information.
I was seeing a psyciatrist for about 10 years and in the last 2 years I was telling him I wasen't doing well and he kept on saying your seem to be okay and we don't want to rock the boat .I landed up really sick and was admitted and was given another doctor who I have been seeing for almost 3 years . He changed my meds and I did classes and wow it has been life changing.I have to agree that misdiagnosis can happen and now I always let my friends know If you aren't doing well don't be scared to look for help elsewere.
I have one daughter with bipolar and one with BPD. It has been a tough road for us as a family. There has been a lot of tears, fights, accusations of favouritism, bailing out of debts, fear and guilt. Thank Jesus Christ for helping us get through this journey. It’s still a daily battle and we are supporting our daughters the best we can. Great video thank you.
I always like listening to Dr. Domenick’s descriptive and passionate way of teaching about different MH d/o. I appreciate not only understanding how to distinguish between dx but how critical it is to do a thorough H&P. We need to be reminded we are still dealing with humans not just disorder or diseases
Great session, thanks so much for the info guys
The moment when you can relate to both and still confused
Wonderfully clear. More of this please.
Thank you Dr Dom for this video!
Thanks guys! Great video!
Honestly i feel i have both. Ive been depressed snd manix for extended periods but also have triggers that make me irrationally angry and incredibly violent or mean
I feel the exact same way!!
same :/
Me too and I want to live normal but it seems impossible
I feel the same way… I’m going to bring a close family member to my next appointment (never did this before) so the therapist can get someone else’s perspective. Either he’s not listening to me, or I’m not doing a good job of explaining my feelings and actions.
and the abandonment is REAL. I am diagnosed with BPD but I think I have both also. It's debilitating.
I'm so happy to hear your words I'm waiting to be accessed again
Loved this explanation of the two disorders...so informational
I work in mental health and it is refreshing to see professional people in the field acknowledge the difficulties in diagnosing these kinds of problems. Grief and trauma can look a lot like Bipolar and BPD and vice versa. If you suffer from mental health issues do not be afraid to go ask a professional person (therapist, psychologist, chaplain, priest, LCSW) for some help. Also do not be afraid to ask some tough questions. Being able to raise these questions can help. You are going to get yourself sorted out. The therapist is only there to show you a firm path to tread on.
Thank you for this video!
Some powerful learning curves here, thank you.
Excellent video, very concise.
the ancient Greeks used to consider bipolar disorder as a divine gift from the gods! A divine gift! Wow! That’s WAY different than how we are looked at today. How fascinating. “Mania” and “melancholia” were among the first two diseases ever categorized. Even Socrates and Plato understood that mania was a divine state with various characteristics such as “erotic inspiration” sent from the god of love or “proteptic inspiration” derived from the Muses. They even go on to say that the god Apollo is the source of this divine inspiration!
This has been my reality. I have a massive history of sexual, physical and emotional violence , homelessness etc from family and domestic narcissistic tribes etc and have been diagnosed with bipolar, borderline personality skitzophernia and generalised anxiety. The only thing I explained to the doctor's is my violence and homeless history.
However feel that I have massive complex trauma. I actually developed a pyschosis from anti - pyschotics .
I believe you should tell your doctors everything
You may want to look into CPTSD. It can cause similar behaviors and be misdiagnosed as these (and other) disorders by well-meaning professionals who are not fully educated on PTSD and, particularly, the effect that multiple traumatic experiences experienced as a young person will have on that person later and thoughout their life. If you can access such specialized trauma-recovery therapy - see if you can connect with someone specializing in CPTSD and recovery from these kinds of childhood traumas. Though there are many factors that make these specialists difficult to connect with in-person, access to telehealth and insurance coverage for such treatment has increased a lot since the pandemic, thankfully. There are many excellenbt books on the topic, as well. You have my deepest sympathy for all you went through and survived. I do hope my comment is applicable to your situation and, mostly, that it is helpful.
Not to mention that having BPD or Bipolar can lead to one being put in situations or getting themselves into situations that cause PTSD. It really is a mess.
with all these misdiagnosis, it would be great for therapists to humble themselves more
I've been diagnosed with and in this order: severe depression and anxiety, Bipolar 1, ADHD, and then when I brought up that i think it's BPD my psychiatrist mentioned that i could have both bipolar and bpd, but just kind of brushed it off.
My therapist believes me that bpd is what im dealing with. The extreme mood disregulation really affects my day to day life. The more i learn about it, the more i find that i align with bpd.
Good morning, med circle team.
Thank you for sharing this and breaking the stigma for people with Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder! I have Bipolar Disorder Type I and understood the difference between the two. Yes, both mood disorders may portray the same symptoms, but they have their own distinct characteristics. I’m relieved that you guys had mentioned that. For the longest, I remember when I was in the 5th grade, I told my mom that I could possibly develop Bipolar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. She was in shock how I knew so much from a young age, but when I got my diagnosis. At first I was like, ‘there’s no way!’ My judgment, thinking, and memory was still not in good shape. But eventually, I realized how accurate my knowledge was at just the age of 10 1/2 years old. Throughout my childhood, I had extremely high and very low mood swings. They weren’t just normal, but would last a full day, sometimes even longer like for a week or months. I wasn’t diagnosed with Bipolar I until I was about 15 1/2, so in theory, I predicted my chances of getting diagnosed with a mood disorder, before anyone had told me about the history that we had in our family. Turns out, I had an overlap with Bipolar Type I and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder now. I was currently diagnosed with PTSD at age 17, so that was a slight shocker for me, but I figured I would have some other type of anxiety or depressive disorder. I am currently working with the PTSD, but the Bipolar, I’m able to cope and manage it well! As well as my anxiety and depression. I think you guys did a great job at acing the 2 mood disorders, I really enjoy learning more about mental health in the future! ❤
your comment inspires me honestly!! i’m 17 now and it’s so awkward i haven’t watch the video yet, but i’m proud you and you’re worthy, and i know i don’t know you but i love you for this comment seriously
i just joined(subscribe ) to your website!! man i learned so much from your website!!
How often do you see both? I have these two plus CPTSD
Thanks guys
I have both BD1 and BPD, I'm on medication for my bipolar, and am in therapy for both. I know I've not been misdiagnosed. And while both have been helpful, it can really be overwhelming sometimes too.
very helpful
Excellent interviewer
Nice explanation:,I’ve also noticed 4-5 subtypes of bipolar that can also be present in Borderline disordered clients, something I didn’t hear mentioned specifically: in Bipolar: pressured speech, racing thoughts, severe delusions of grandeur
What do you think is a severe delusion? My Mum was never diagnosed, but when I was a baby she said she thought "I was the second coming". Thisis probably the weirdest thing I ever heard her say. She also had a persistent idea that she was a great singer, who could've been professional if she had'nt had children. Truthfully, she was a very mediocre singer, who hardly ever sung but when she did- expected unearned, undeserved praise or she would get angry!
great video!
Important to note: Self injury is often indicative of self regulation issues ... yes not necessarily borderline , however , features can be there !! Trauma often related & overlooked !! Also developmental , environment influences brain !! Bipolar depression etc disorders can be created !! Not necessarily genetic !
Completely agree and was thinking the same. There has been more research of late linking Bipolar Disorder with trauma, as well as BPD.
@@rachelm79 which research
@@franky2347 one example: journalbipolardisorders.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40345-015-0042-0 but I’m sure you know how to use Google too.
He can be my doctor anyday he is perfect 🤗✌️❤️
Better acoustics and microphone on medcircle side pls
Tysm
OMG I had this question for such a long time! Thanks for discussing it.
I have a BD2 diagnosis, but I'm really clear that I also have BPD (the "quiet" kind)-- what I've found (happily) is that treatment for BD2 has also quieted a lot of the "bananas" emotional stuff. Gabapentin stops triggers, and Lithium treats the mood. I've been very stable vis-a-vis the BD2, but I am still dealing with the other symptoms of BPD (most-notably, "tumbling" identity, and splitting on everything in my life).
I live in middle east .. and in my country it is still a taboo to talk about your mental illness specially if you are a man , I went to a few doctors and after I have talked about what I feel after 5 minutes they stopped me talking and writes down some different kind of depression and BIPOLAR drugs and other types of drugs 😂😂🥲🥲... can I diagnosis myself ?? is there any websites helps me for diagnosis??
from what I read so far I think I am more related to bipolar disorder .
Gabapentin makes it impossible to sleep
@@letshangout6359 go to a different doctor
@@TheBakingGirlShow I actually don't know what to do , most of the worst is that I am homosexual and its forbidden in my country . this is one of the things that make me depressed specifically when I fall in love from one side and I can't handle with it everything messed up ... I feel that every door are closed in my face , nothing interesting me anymore .. I have had cancer 2 years ago , and at some point I wished my life to be end . I was just fine couple of months ago until I felt in love with a colleague from one side .. I cry every day
Thank you. Very informative, I greatly appreciate it.
I have BPD & I did not know that strong emotions can come out because I get triggered & having that be BPD. I thought my triggers were just from my past team?
I should say I really appreciate your videos. I explore myself and learn mire..
I was looking for audio files of your videos on podcast apps. I hope you stream your videos in audio formats there. I asked because in Iran we don't access RUclips easily 😞
Thanks indeed 😊
I definitely hear that phone vibrating in the background. Thought it was mine.
Oh my god, I needa get a diagnosis for BPD like yesterday
I'd love it if you did an episode on hyperacusis, phonophobia and misophonia. So little is known about it and on terms of treatment too, would love more guidance after 10 years of suffering and failed CBT.
Misophonia does not get talked about enough
I agree. My mom didn’t even know what misophonia is, I had to tell her I have it. My mom triggers me the most because she’s always chewing loudly, sighing loudly, clearing her throat, slurping her soup (which is freaking rude if you ask me) have some manners! It enrages me I can’t be around her for too long and it sucks because I love my mom!
I actually cry about it because I am pushing her away because of it and I don’t want to but I can’t deal with these noises.
This is absolutely the case with my ex. She's absolutely borderline and has highly narcissistic traits, so the minimization of her behavior and omission of any facts that would make her look responsible for ANYTHING in her life is exactly what is going on in her therapy sessions I can guarantee, so she's being medicated for Bipolar 2...and it has created a person that had a low level of empathy and remorse and was prone to fits of rage over anything or nothing to begin with into SOMETHING ELSE that's scary. It's as if she's reveling in her inability to care who she's destroying and enjoying it. I feel as long as it continues it's going to end in her total destruction. She was diagnosed only after a couple sessions, which is RIDICULOUS. I wish there was something I could do, but at this point cutting her completely out of my life and tossing the last 7 years in the trash can feels like my only option. Any suggestion on an alternative? I've tried to explain what she's doing, and of course it's taken as an attack on her ego, flipped around, and deflected at me without an iota of ownership.
I'm just like her. I wish I could tell you ways for you to help her, but I can't. I destroyed my last relationship, and really wish it could've gone longer. Although she loves and wants you, she must help herself and do for herself in order to go about life without destroying the bond you guys had.
@@gloriaarollo5526 ??? She's already destroyed that. She had a psychotic break in January, obviously had another "splitting" episode where I was GHOSTED...IN A 7 YEAR ENGAGEMENT...this wasn't dating. We lived together. This was my best friend as well. It's the 3rd cycle of narcissistic abuse I've gone through with her. The physical abuse from her was ATROCIOUS at times, and the emotional abuse WORSE. She's once again gone back to her mentally challenged, illiterate ex husband's house to drain his finances until she disgusts herself enough to actually take a realistic, real world look at her behavior and the literal SCORES of living corpses(her 2 children that I also love included) that she has left behind in her wake of self centered, childish, remorseless, dysfunctional, wrecking-ball like cycles of unimaginably abusive cruelty. "Loving her like a fairytale"(her words, not mine) and the impact it left on me is as follows:
After almost 7 years of believing I was just too defective to love the “soul mate" or "Twin Flame" God gave me and that's why she discarded me every 2 years, I found out what “it"(Narcissistic Abuse) was…too late. Since my 3rd discard in February, I am now in psychotherapy 2 to 3 days a week. I'm recovering from my second stress induced cardiomyopathy in the relationship from the heartbreak. It's a type of heart attack brought in by sudden severe emotional trauma. My heart is probably malformed for life. I'm still at risk for cardiac arrest. I have NAS, bipolar depression with suicidal ideation, attempted suicide 4 times, actually being successful on the second but lived ultimately, and had a near/post death experience that will shape the rest of my life, CPTSD, and generalized anxiety disorder. I lost 44 lbs in 4 months. Her response to learning of my second suicide attempt was that she's the happiest she's been in YEARS.
There’s no hope for someone who doesnt want to help themselves & u holding on would drain the life outta u
@@TheBakingGirlShow this is true and this is exactly what therapists say. I separated from my husband due to his toxicity causing my health and emotional well-being to decline. I had to block him in order to heal. He thinks he does nothing wrong. So I don’t engage and don’t explain.
It’s hard when you’re perfect and you’re married to a BPD 😆
Namaste CLAIR🧐🙏🏽
So clear. (Alas, your clarity renders me more confused than ever). Psychiatrist believes Im not pwBPD, but rather pwBipolar 2. I MIGHT buy mixed state Bipolar 2 because depression comes out of nowhere but anger/agitation/irritability always is triggered -in the midst of depression.
Medscape should do a lecture on the difference between Cyclothymia (technically also an emotional dysregulation disorder that is milder than hypomania) and Borderline.
My life sucks so much I have Bipolar Disorder 2, ADHD & BPD
I don’t stand a chance
I'm totally sure my bpd diagnosis is wrong, I only have a few traits but identify much more with other disorders.
My psych team will not listen to me though..I know they find me difficult but that's because I challenge them. I don't believe a couple of questionnaires during a time of crisis is a reasonable diagnosis method.. I felt my 1st diagnosis was made during a time I was frantic with anxiety and frustration with all the meds that were given me that not only didn't calm me but made me feel infinitely worse and I was angry about that.
Then the next psychiatrist I saw some yrs later just looked at my notes from the first doctor and because I said I wasn't happy with that diagnosis, I think that compounded their belief that bpd was the correct label for me..I also think there was a certain amount of laziness involved here they simply didn't want to be bothered taking the time and doing the investigation to look for other possible disorders.
I will say having this, along with other issues, sure gets real tiring mentally, physically and emotionally. Not having any energy for anything or anyone else bc all of it is spent trying to feel ok and then into isolation to try and regain control..
Psychiatrists and other mental health professionals in the United States are paid using diagnosis codes from the DSM-5 that lists each mental health disorder and the criteria to meet them. Currently, complex post-traumatic stress disorder is not in the DSM-5 so mental health professionals are left in a quandary, they cannot diagnose their patients with CPTSD and get paid for treating them. This leaves doctors and therapists no choice but to choose bipolar disorder or some other mental health challenge as their client’s diagnosis.
The DSM boxes both patient and clinician into a too narrow mindset. For example, the COMMAND that a pwEUPD tick at least 5 boxes of symptoms is arbitrary. I’m 72; I used to qualify but in later years, isolation has replaced some obvious BPD-ish behaviors which i believe threw a new (very good) psychiatrist’s diagnosis off. The manual is necessarily strict but its objective virtue also works to its detriment-or ours.
i have BPD but i don't always have a trigger for my depressive mood. but i also have major depressive disorder, so that might be why
I have a family member that is always emotionally stressed and spends money he doesnt have and is unable to sleep , all symptoms described. It's heartbreaking because we try to help him and give advice even referred him for professional help but he hears us but doesn't at the same time as he goes back into doing things that we advised him not to do. This video is helpful and gives us insight , just wish we could have a solution to help people recover or become mentally strong enough to overcome
Family or friends or partners should be present if the patient feels like they can be trusted.
As a person with bipolar disorder, I was under a lot of stress before my first episode, and my psychiatrist said that I was triggered by all that stress. I had a genetic predisposition to being bipolar, but that doesn’t mean my episode wasn’t triggered by anything.
I hv tremendous amount of mood swings
What about medication? For e.g lithium , especially concerned about its interaction with alcohol.
Since I was diagnosed with ADHD my psychiatrist has hardly engaged with me this is over 6 years. He said that he thinks I may have Bipolar type 2 but says he can’t treat me for that only the ADHD as the NHS won’t pay for both. He follows me up about 6monthly appointments and he does it at random so I never know exactly when he is going to call.
His staff know or understand nothing about my conditions I feel. For example I had an appointment which I mixed up for 12am I stood of 1pm and when I pressed the buzzer no one answered … believing I was late I pressed the buzzer again, no response so I remembered something I’d seen on TV a and the guy leant his head on the buzzer and I did the same as someone was watching and I guess this made me feel empowered. Anyway after about 20 seconds someone answered … turns out they were having a meeting and one of the reception staff was really rude in turn (I realised in retrospective that I was rude also) saying they were having a meeting… what doesn’t help us that they put a sign on the front door saying that rude or offensive behaviour will not be tolerated and may result in the patient being removed from treatment … what a flaming trigger to me this is…!!! To really add insult to injury, I once was given a phone follow up and the guy was different and this guy kept triggering me, it was like he had no idea and kept judging me rather than suggesting … anyway I reported him saying his manner was abrasive, judgemental and was like he couldn’t get off the call quick enough. I suggested to my psychiatrist that he may have similar issues to me and guess what, my psychiatrist said he had … well surely that’s not very professional as that’s surely a breach of the other guys medical conditions…
Overall this just is rubbish… my meds don’t seem to have any effect and over here in the U.K. z it’s almost impossible to get any help as there is just no money it seems in mental health … some people can wait 3, 4, 5 years just to get a diagnosis …
am bipolar, had an ex-wife who is BPD. She still doesn't know it as she destroys every relationship around her
OMG I have been thinking my aunt has bipolar disorder, but now I realized it might be BPD! I know what to ask the psychiatrist
Very informative, seems like my husband has both 🥺
He should check it out and talk to professionals about his symptoms
Have a professional do it
I was diagnosed.Had from younger days. OMG wish I knew earlier. Cost my finances, job, reputation and all. Its a horrible condition. Wish everyone has proper diagnose.
Diet is huge. Clean diet helped all my symptoms
Pointing out the ignorance in the mental health realm is great! But, where does one go to seek accurate and competent diagnosis?
My best guess is talking to your pcp the next time you go for an appt. They have a list of people you can call for mental health resources. My doctor did that for me, I just need to call
I've been trying to get a diagnosis for years, but in the UK you're entitled to a maximum of 6 therapy sessions - not exactly enough to help me untangle everything 😅 I would love a video on ways to help yourself when you know something is wrong but you can't work out what?
Does that mean you're not allowed to continue therapy after 6 sessions? Or just that you have to pay for any sessions after 6 of them? Just a curious person from the United States :) good luck on your journey my friend
Wow how good looking is the psychologist 🔥… I get so distracted from the content by just being mesmerised by him.
Me too
What happens if you can relate to both but your not professionaly diagnosed yet and you don’t wanna tell your family because you know their not going to believe you which is my situation.
People who have bipolar disorder can have periods in which they feel overly happy and energized and other periods of feeling very sad, hopeless, and sluggish.👍
J Rose - No, it’s different.
J rose bipolar 1 depression is not at all like typical ups and downs. It kills a person.
It’s not always happy
And nervous and down, fatigue, and sleepless...
I’ve heard on MedCircle BPD presents as someone being on the border or neurosis and psychosis. What does that mean in depth?
In case no one answers you, I thought I would help out. Psychosis means a break from reality, so that could mean having delusions, seeing/hearing things that aren’t there, paranoia, distorted beliefs about reality. So being on the brink of psychosis would mean experiencing things similar to those listed but not fully. Though they don’t really use this definition to diagnose BPD nowaways but some (when they feel their worst) do present with symptoms that are similar to psychosis, at least in small part. I hope that was helpful.
@@m.l3483 thanks - yes Ramani was the one who gave this introductory of the borderline of neurotic and psychosis. So we kind of walk that line. I don’t think most BPD patients like myself have a break in reality but our perception is distorted emotionally. Thanks!
Psychosis means u cant tell the difference between your internal & external environment- they are merged together-
I feel I've been missed diagnosed whilst I was in Scotland with EUPD never asked my back ground just with what was happening there and now and after 3 years did there say I even had EUPD
Question I have is, when does one convey to the therapist that a person does indeed have a personality disorder? My view is that if something exterior has actively or has consistently done something to effect that person, then it would only make some sense that at some point that person will act in a manner that would be off course or in otherwise unusual. Could this be manifested as appearing hostile, depressed, anxious, or suicidal as means to cope with an exterior difficulty? If so, would it be a misdiagnosis should exterior factors not be explored first; as the primary labeling of this diagnosis is almost purely based on the most recent actions of the subject. Should those avenues not have been evaluated or explored first, it could appear as though there isn’t a cause and effect, thus establishing the diagnosis. Should this be true, then this diagnosis would be even more damaging, as the much needed exploration into the client’s root cause for the change isn’t manifested.
Mfw you have both
Every other time I go back to treatment and I see a new doctor my diagnosis is switched Back and forth
I feel like I have both of them I’m going crazy I never have talked to a doctor or therapist about it
I wonder can you make a correct diagnosis with someone that also is adhd ? For either one
I’m here because my therapist recently just diagnosed me with BPD but I’m not believing it.
It’s our second session. How is she so sure.
I’m not believing it.
As someone who works in mental health, it can be very obvious from the get go if a person has BPD. Perhaps your psychologist was a little quick but it's totally normal for them to at least know with 99% certainty within 2 sessions for some clients.
I truly believe that patients should have a food allergy testing first before treating a patient with any types of disorder. This I know to be true.
Why do you think that ?
Hello my name is Mike Dingman and I would really like a copy of this particular VIDEO and the other's that are included in this Particular diagnosis, and the explanation of it, aswell as the other's in this series. I would Sincerely like to know more about me, and if I really have one or the other, all of this makes perfect sense for what I am currently going through. I have Depression and anxiety disorder and have MAJOR Seizures + I am basically not eating much at all, because I have suffered many traumas.!!
I spoke with my GP about the hideous sexual abuse I suffered from someone I've initially considered a narcissist/anti social personality disordered person. When my GP talked about her clinical experience in mental health wards with people suffering schizophrenia, she spoke directly about the person I experienced, yet I uttered only 2 sentences to describe his behavior.....my GP filled in all those gaps. Incredible, the 2nd person to be described by him as mental, yet he was the perpetrator. Makes me sick how they rob us of years of our lives trying to overcome their abuse and brainwashing....I have no sympathy
I was diagnosed with BPD. Was treated weekly, then monthly for 7 yrs. My mother even came to 2 of my appointments with me…..I am 52😂 Recently I moved back to my home province and have a new doctor who says no, I’m bipolar but none of it fits except for my mania and all of the bpd fits except the way I handle abandonment. I met this new psychiatrist once before, in 2014, in the ER. He gave me bipolar at our first appointment this past month based on his notes from my visit to the ER. Where do I go from here with him?
Did you come up with the idea of the Werewolf I watching me. Because Like the moon I will go through Phases; They can leave you feeling like the crazy one?
It sucks asking someone why are you telling me goodbye. And they drop to the knees and say I just can’t take it anymore.
I have ASD PSTD ADHD bipolar 2 boarder line disorder
I can say life is hell with any
I was abused and was constantly gaslighted and my pediatrician and psychologist covered up abuse and called me crazy to cover up for abuse. They would trigger me and also torture me if I reported abuse. Both my brother and I have bipolar disorder, but it is more Complex PTSD with TBI and traumatic amnesia.
i am so sorry for this terrible wrong that was done to you.
@@judilouwho Thanks.
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Hi ... I live in Iraq and it is still a taboo to talk about mental illness specially if you are a man (my case) ... about a few years a go I went to a few many doctors .and after 5 minutes they told me that I have no mental illness but they gave me pills or some kind of drugs that are for depression and anxiety and bipolar disorder ... I take it for two days and then I quite taking it .. I don't know what to do right now .my life is getting more complicated since I am a gay man and living in Meddle East where in my age I should get married and that just make me more depressed and not doing any kind of progress at work and also my mood is always upside down ..I had thyroid cancer I rid of some depression and kind of better after I removed my thyroid but I still have that mood of upside down I am not sure but I think I have bipolar disorder and the doctors here are not helping me for diagnosis...
@@letshangout6359 Hopefully you can find the right medicine and treatment to help with your depression.
My wife has to have borderline personality disorder. Her therapist said she was there and she refused to believe her, but I've researched and it's gotta be right. One day I'm the best husband and the next she says "I wish I never married you" to best husband ever all in the same week. When I hit her trigger which is sexual rejection, she breaks up with me everytime. No discussion, and she changes to a different person that pretty much hates me. 1st time lasted 3 months. This is the 2nd time. Didnt even matter much that we are married. Back to hating me. I really hope somehow I can get her back. She isn't easy, but she is worth it. Especially if it's something that can be dealt with. She changes jobs alot too. We been together 6yrs and this happens about every 2yrs or so that we split. I hope at 3 months again will be the longest ill be without her.
I'm sorry that sounds really difficult. As someone with borderline though, if she does not change her ways or try to get help, I wouldn't put yourself through all of that. I don't know your situation but that sounds very hurtful
The book "30 Days to Reduce Depression" by Harper Daniels uses a mindfulness approach. Share it! It can really help someone. Mindfulness is like a personal trainer for the mind.
That is a really ignorant thing to post on this video. Mindfulness doesn't cure bipolar or treat BPD.
I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, bi-polar, OCD, major depression, PTSD, anxiety. I don't think I have borderline personality disorder. I believe I have bi-polar because it runs in my family.