Listening to the 10s right now, specifically The Velvet Underground's Pale Blue Eyes, tears in my eyes. Spent 1 hour repositioning the 10s, now I have a HUGE soundstage, Lou Reed right smack dab in the middle speaking just to me.
@@michaelmityok1001 That's awesome. 🙂 Yes, as Ron said, vocal coherency and realism are generally one of the standout attributes of a properly implemented concentric driver design...all of the vocal range emanating from a single point instead of being divided between two separate/different origins on the baffle. I use my own 3-way DIY concentric studio monitor design in my home studio for this very reason. I'm using the BMS 5CN162HE 5" midrange/1" HF compression concentric drivers paired with 10" Ciare HW251N midbass/bass drivers in my design. The concentric driver design improves the overall coherency and the use of the HF compression driver results in stunning dynamic transients that few speakers can match. The Ciare are also quite dynamically capable and provide for incredibly realistic drums (I'm a drummer & saxophonist). These replaced my previous ATC SCM25A active studio monitors for about 1/3 the cost. The spectral balance and clarity was similar with the ATCs, but the coherency, imaging/soundstage, and dynamics are on a different level with the DIY design. :)
Sound clips in this are phenomenal, even though a pair of speakers I did notice a little loss in clarity/presence in the speaker recordings, especially with some of the backing instruments, as though they were a little veiled compared to the reference recording, but overall, a really well-balanced speaker. I also really appreciate the in-room measurements from different speaker locations, as it really illustrates how even in a well-treated room, the differences distances can create. Keep up the great work, Ron!
I have the Sourcepoint 10 paired with my Yamaha as2200. Great sounds. If this makes sense, it’s a very dynamic powerful vintage sound that you usually do not get these days for that price. My sub has been turned off since I purchased the sourcepoints. Just a powerful rich sound. Great video sir!!!
@@Newrecordday2013hello my dear. I no you try you’re best you’re branes but no kindness four say Andrew jones spy and no good mans. He working very hardly and xcelently four everyone enjoi and make Xcelent sound machine four dancing and Xcelent party four all humanitarians. But you are good mans most of the days but today you are little bit disgrace four your speech.
Let me add my experience about big paper cones with fabric suspensions. My DIY 3way speakers got a Ciare 8" PM200N as a mid speaker. It's a paper cone with pressed paper and fabric texture suspension. All the magic come from this mid. It's super fast, transparent and clear, gives realism to voices and instruments. Tweeter is just some inches above but still, everything sounds natural and beauty. Imho the magic comes from the big mid speaker. Coaxial gives for sure some plus but it's not the reason of this success. I would say that the great ATC midrange domes have similarities in sound characteristics with this kind of speakers.. Cheers
Those are cool. Listening nearfield sounds like mids and lows are spot on to reference. Highs a little vailed and not quite as wide. They sound dang good. They are deep cabinet wise
The first track only, had a little bite in the treble but these sound very nice, I'm impressed and the measurements are just as impressive and correlates to what we are hearing
I heard these at Capital Audiofest when they first came out and loved their sound. My son and I both agreed these were some of our favorite speakers at the show. If I were in the market for new speakers, these would be at the top of my list.
These are everything i have wanted. I ended up making my own speakers that are concentric with eminence drivers 5 years ago, but the tweeter is recessed so its not quite the same as these. You really have to start from the driver up to create something like this.
I heard these a few months ago at a demo with Andrew present. Loved them and Andrew is a very nice gentleman. My only slight complaint would be lack of extreme low bass but that's what subs are for. Otherwise, I was very impressed.b
From the recordings you played, very dynamic! For me almost hard sounding in the vocals an edge to the sound. To be fair I would have to hear them live. I would like to hear them in my system.Love open baffle speakers had a pair of Hawthorne OB speakers, had to sell them after renovations to my house. Went from very nice to very bright after. Great review!!!
You can't tell what a speaker sounds like through another speaker. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's literally pointless for reviewers to play demos.
Not sure you used the word unironic in the right context. Ironic (or its opposite) does not mean the same as sarcastic (or its opposite), and does not fit this sentence.
Great review! I have the Source Point 8's and run them with dual Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X subs. I absolutely love the 8's...overall sound quality is stunning. If I didn't have the subs, I would have likely opted for the SP 10's for more bass. Needless to say, I'm a very happy listener with these speakers!
I have the 8s with a sub running chord electronic Hugo TT2, m-scaler and BerTTi (75x2) and about 3 1/2 feet from wall and couldn’t be happier. Been through 4 speakers in 3 years and these are my favorites to date.
I heard these driven by a Hegel integrated amp and they were amazing. Big room-filling sound and very dynamic. I wonder how these compare to the Brute.
I can remember attending the Newport Show in 2015 and walking in the ELAC room for the Debut speaker…debut and being blown away. It was all the buzz in the hallways. It’s really the only thing I can recall from that show that made a significant impression on me. Unfortunately when I got a pair I couldn’t replicate what Andrew did in that hotel room. 😅
Can't wait for the new towers with 3 8"s, since bass aside by all accounts the 8"s sound/perform better overall (see Erin's audio corner reviews), so to get the 8"s but with REAL bass capability, that would be so awesome.
I have the 8’s with a HSU sub in my second more movie oriented listening system and I have found myself listening to them over my main system more and more recently. I didn’t tend for that to happen but man they are nice!
I was ready to dismiss any rave review on the Pount 10 as I had heard them in person as Andrew, himself, did the presentation back in early 2022, and again at a dealer. To me, the bass could sound boomy, depending on the track. After, listening and watching Ron's set up, I now realize that the set up of the speakers were too close to the rear wall, on the two rooms I had my listening sessions. Dah! As with most rear ported speakers, they need room to breath. Thanks Ron for reminding me that the room and the setup of the speakers can make or destroy our sonic perceptions of said speakers.
@davidrivera2165 This is probably where just using a single band of Parametric EQ with a Q of between 1-5 could help optimize the in-room bass response due to your room's boundaries and the speaker placement in relation to them. A boomy or bloated/exaggerated bass response also has the effect of masking midrange and treble detail and clarity and the imaging/soundstage.
Busted out my open back planars and WOW! Those sounded awesome. An upgrade? Bi-amped with my quad paper 15s handling 100 hz and down, yes (subs set at 50 hz, of course).
The sound clips blew my mind. Listening IEM and no difference. Maybe the speakers are 'open' sounding more so? If that makes sense... like there is an air to it. Anyway, these are killer. Very exited to see your Aegir 2 / Sourcepoint 10 video.
@@goodsound4756 If a bit of off-axis toe-out or acoustic absorbtion panels at the first side-wall reflection points don't remedy this, using just a single basic band of Parametric EQ with the proper Q or a Shelf Filter would completely fix this and shape the response even more to your personal preference. The audio recording, mixing, and mastering engineers that actually produce the music you listen to use multiple instances of these types of EQ filters all day/every day in order to "shape" the response of the final recording. But for some reason audiophiles consider using any type of EQ in their playback systems as voodoo and detrimental. A similar band of Parametric EQ could help optimize the in-room bass response due to your room's specific boundaries and the speaker placement in relation to them. A boomy or bloated/exaggerated bass response also has the effect of masking midrange and treble detail and clarity as well as the imaging/soundstage, and not enough midbass or bass obviously leads to an unexciting listening experience.
I loved the sound of this speaker. It is a very Fun sound. The only thing that kept me from getting them is that I can't really shove them up against the wall. They pretty much have it all. Not the speaker's fault It's mine. I just have limited space at this time.
WOW! Well I never got around to reading or hearing any other reviews of these speakers yet, though I do recall watching John Darko interview Andrew Jones about the development of these speakers - I think that was either just before or as they were being released (but don’t recall seeing any images or hearing them - so maybe right first time). Anywho, it perked my interest as always been a HUGE fan of the dual concentric type design since I bought a pair of Tannoy Sixes 611’s back in the early 1990’s. Oh boy, I can still remember the jaw dropping moment I first heard them (and still have the same pair to this day). But these are taking the principle yet further still with a single driver covering the bass as well - kinda a triple or 3-way concentric driver! Now I read a few comments suggesting they thought they heard them slightly veil the sound, but the principle reason for commenting was how AMAZED I was by the sound demo/comparison section - Loved the first test track BTW (who was it?) - as even just listening on some modestly priced but decent IEM’s via my Chord Mojo I actually PREFERRED the sound of the speakers to the original recording !????! It was almost as if the upper mids and top end had MORE clarity, sparkle and air - really sounded great - but it was hands down the best sounding in room mic recording I’ve yet to hear on RUclips 🙌 🙌 🙌 So can only imagine how fab these sound in real life. I don’t even need any new speakers, but am now seriously tempted to find a reason to buy them 😉
So was I...... I was at KEF when the Uni-Q was first designed. I have been designing concentric drivers ever since, close to 40 years now. KEF released concentric drivers before SEAS. And Tannoy, although concentric, uses a compression driver mounted behind the woofer magnet, rather than a regular tweeter mounted at the apex of the cone. Not the same concept.
0:30 I did it to a pair of 8" bass med drivers and 10" bass med drivers. I also highly modify wide band single drivers for better voice sound and more highs, by slitting the cone right near the center for easier cone vibrations in the highs. And cutouts near the outside of the cone to make the cone act like a free edge cone. I ran the single drivers open on top of the box and a woofer in the box (best sounding speakers I made). I might use my 10" coaxials on high power handling speakers, or open baffle on the woofer with the open coaxial outright. And also a boxed woofer facing straight down onto the floor (like my FR + woofer lounge speakers woofer mounting). 😅 My friend has a set of speakers I built with 8" coaxials + woofer (firing onto the floor). But now (cos of the mod) the modified single drivers are at least as good as the coaxials, more cohesion in the meds to the highs!. And still enough power handling for lounge speakers.
When you record speakers in a room, the treble rolls off on the reflected treble from the walls. That treble will roll off, combined with the direct treble, still results in a roll off right up top. But this is really minimal with your recordings. On the chart, the Source Point speaker treble looks like it peakes at 20 khz (excellent for compensating the reflected treble). And why the roll off is so minimal. In fact you might even get a gain in top treble if you did the same comparisons outside (when it's really quiet). 😅
I hope one day you will get a chance to review the Source Point 8, Ron. Erin is not the only reviewer that has noted their preference of the ‘8’ over the ‘10’s’.
AJ is a genius. Thanks for that great demo. Those SP10's sound soooo close to the source on my Elac DBR6.2's, which also go down to 30htz in my room. Me OK with no sub as I dont play loud. Saving my ears... Great video. But those 888's might fit in my studio...
@peterbaugh51 most speakers need subs. Let's be honest. There's a LOT of data down low. It's the part that adds air and space and... low frequency music. If you're telling me this and you don't have monstrous towers, let alone bookshelves..
@@Audfile It is preference even for trolls. Lowest E on bass guitar is 41 htz. 30 htz is low enough for my taste. With no subs. Understand? Pipe organs can go to 8 htz. Do your subs do that? I know the answer. I have played real pipe organs. But not in my house.... No need.
@@Audfile I forgot to mention, I use Tube Preamps with clean 200 watt power into two speakers. Tubes seem to do something to deep bass and the signal in general. This may be part of the reason I do not use subs. Solid state alone never gave me the realistic sound I know from live performances. Always used tube amps for live performances. You get spoiled by tubes I guess...
Source points look quite great for the price but for my room i would only need the 8s with a pair of subs. Can’t wait for the review of the bully’s though as your prior sound impression they easily won for me over Caladans and source point.
Love the review... but something you said confused me a bit. You said to never listen to the coaxial speaker head on... But in your graph the green line (10 degrees off axis) looked amazingly flat. (Or am I imagining that?) If so... would it make sense to do a 10 degree toe in or out? And yes you're nuts for leaving these things 8 feet into the room. On a side note... ABX just released a new video where they demoed a 10" coaxial open baffle 'mini'. You should check it out...
I have my sourcepoint 10s over 1 year now. They do not drive the low super well. I am looking at the 888. I do love these speakers but they can be harsh if you don’t have em set up properly with toe in etc. all in all I love these speakers…but I do use a sub frequently especially for rock. I use a Rega Brio integrated to drive em and they get really loud! Wonder how they sound with a tube integrated. Not sure if the 888 will resolve the issue…need to check em out. What did you use to drive em?
Nice review... I like your take on these. On another topic ...it would be great to hear what you think of the new Maco open baffles that are only now hitting the market. (A great shootout with the Caledons and the wooden baffle version of the Macos. Quite a price difference ...I know but the quality differences might be less than one expects.)
What are some of you favorite high sensitive monitors? I need to pair speakers with a SET amp. I will probably pair these speakers with OB servo subs. I am looking for 92db or above, above +96 is preferred. I like effortless midrange, this will be an analogue system. BTW, great job on your room!
thanks for the insights. i remember you had very good words of the buchardt s400 mk2. they are my current speakers and i like them quite a lot. but i do want an upgrade, without breaking the bank. and the sourcepoint 8 (not 10) is roughly at the same price right now as the buchardts (2000 usd). so i wonder if these would make a good upgrade to the buchardts. what do you think? how would you compare those two sets? cheers
I own a pair, and they are absolutely amazing I have so many other speakers from Børresen, Sonus Faber, Klipsch, and nothing hits harder and sounds better period….
May I ask which Borresen speakers you are comparing against? I’m looking to upgrade and have been considering the Borresen X2’s on a Axxess Forte 2 Amp, but obviously some $ there. Maybe these could be a speaker to carry m over a little longer?
@@Lovehandles2024 I have the x1 I went back to the store to exchange them for the x6 and realized even those don’t play loud they are very afraid to push them loud
@midnightrider8105 Erin at Erin's Audio Corner has a pair on order to keep in his main system and will obviously provide measurements and a review for them, but I hope Ron does as well.
Totally agree! Listened to the samples with Hifiman Ananda's. Had a hard time discerning between the reference and the Source Points. Usually there is an IMMEDIATE notice of difference for me. Did your mic setup change? That was so close that I thought you may be pulling the wool over our eyes. I know you to have integrity though so these sound pretty incredible!
Great review. Probably physically too large for my space, unfortunately, but might check out the 8's. You mentioned the Schiit Aegir 2 being a potentially good fit but that that was for another day. Is that review coming soon? I heard a rumor that you'll have a review up for the AudioCraftsmen Laval soon too. If that's true, would love to hear your take on how they might fit with the Aegir 2's in stereo and monoblock set ups.
@@Newrecordday2013just review the 888, as they are suppose to be better. The crossovers are 3-4 times the quality/price than the one in the sourcepoint 8, according to designer Andrew Jones.
Ron, I had a helluva lotta fun with your building of the acoustic treatment of the sound shed series- out of curiosity, are the Earthwork mics in a dummy head configuration? After falling in love with what I heard from the OBs - something I’m sure I share with a lot of your regulars - I’m relieved to hear there’s hope for us folks with a history of rooms constraining us to monkey coffins. 🤭 Would be interesting to get your take on the Triple8s. Cheers.
I'm obviously not Ron, but I use the nearly identical Earthworks QTC30 mics in my home studio, and I'm fairly certain that Ron is using his QTC40 mics as a stereo "spaced pair" with each mic placed on-axis at the reference axis height of the speakers and somewhere between 12"-36" out in front of each speaker. So basically, one mic is positioned at ear level and on-axis directly in front of each speaker. The microphones distance from the front baffle of the speakers controls the ratio or mixture of the direct sound (speaker sound only) vs the room's reflections or "echo/reverb". The closer the microphones are placed to the front baffle of the speakers, the less room interaction they will pick up. It's analogous to listening to speakers in the near-field as opposed to mid- or far-field, the latter of which is more typical in our HiFi listening rooms. Binaural Head recordings work extremely well for actual live single point musical instrument or vocal sources combined with listening to these recordings using headphones or IEMs/earbuds, but binaural head microphones are not quite ideal when trying to accurately capture the sound of a separate pair of loudspeakers which are reproducing that sound via 2 separate sources in a stereo field. IOW, when we hear a live instrument or vocal with our own ears in real life, we are hearing those sounds emanate from a single point in space, whereas binaural head microphones that are recording a PAIR of Stereo Speakers are trying to replicate that experience but are having to record the facsimile of a single point source that is psychoacoustically created from two separate speakers with some distance between them. HTH
The compromise with the coaxial is lack of excursion because he didn't want it to interfere with the tweeter and cause diffraction so the x max is limited and so isn't the lower frequencies, that's why he used a 10 woofer. To make up for the excursion. My speakers that I made for myself are a 2 way with a 10" paper kevlar fiberglass cone woofer but the trade off is I don't have a coaxial but I get excursion and lower bass frequency. But I kept the tweeter as close as possible . But I love a 10" woofer if you can pull it off in a 2 way even better
The issue with using a 10" midwoofer to reproduce both the midrange and midbass/bass is that the directivity will suffer due to beaming of the 10" diameter driver, and as you stated, the center-to-center spacing between the tweeter and midwoofer is greater which causes vertical lobing effects. You would need to use a "tweeter" that has a very low Fs and low crossover center frequency capability so as to avoid crossing over the 10" midwoofer at a point where beaming is evident. This is why most pro audio or other larger speakers that use 10" or larger midwoofers typically use a horn-loaded HF driver which helps to extend the crossover between the HF and midwoofer driver to a much lower crossover point. Any type of speaker configuration and combination of drivers and driver sizes is an exercise of compromises and trade-offs, and a "balancing act". I think that Andrew did very well with this design in order to minimize those compromises. FYI, I use a 5"/1" concentric midrange/HF drive unit in my own DIY 3-way studio monitor design with the BMS 5CN162HE + 10" Ciare HW251N midbass/bass drivers. The advantage of the BMS concentric driver is that it uses a high-efficiency compression driver for the tweeter which provides for incredible dynamics that typical dome tweeters simply aren't capable of.
@@bbfoto7248 I'm just repeating what Andrew himself said about his speaker design. I watched him in a interview about it. I designed a successful 2 way with a 10" woofer. I used a tweeter with a rf of 620 and I used a 18 db slope third order crossover. Which you can crossover around 1400 before you have serious beaming issues. I took a long time trying to find the right woofer and I used one that can be used a decaded mid and can be used up to 7000 without breaking up of course you you will have beaming. Which has nothing to do with lobbing. I have ran distortion and took on and off axis measurements and everything is beautiful for what I wanted in my listening room I'm happy with it. Could I do better if course. But I get really good bass and dynamics. I have heard a lot of three ways that just didn't crossover to the mid and woofer right. It just didn't blend in to my ears. I would like to try what you described with a professional driver and compression drivers. But I pulled off the 2 way with a 10" and it sounds awesome. Like I said I heard Andrew describe the compromises he faced with that challenge, I didn't just know all that information out of my head. He's a rockstar of speaker design.
@@bbfoto7248 the speakers I am talking about is right in my profile picture. It's MDF covered with solid 75 oak it's a heavy duty cabinet with a 3" bottom and top. I wanted an old school style speaker and for under a grand I built a nice speaker for myself. I did a lot of homework and testing over and over different versions of crossovers that I originally simulated then got the clips and ran sweeps. It would have cost me another at least $300 to make it a 3 way and I am on a budget so I went for it and it covers the bass and mids fine but I use a diy subwoofer for under 80 Hz so it doesn't have to reproduce the real low frequencies
@newrecordday2013 Ron, for something a bit different and IMO a "torture test" for everything other than male & female vocals, try listening to "Dub Colossus - Dub In A Time Of Cholera". You won't be able to use it in your sound clips due to copyright, but it's one of the first tracks I cue up when demo'ing and evaluating any system...and I'm primarily a jazz saxophonist and drummer/percussionist. 😛
There’s some loss of fidelity and kick up of mid highs, I’d choose the referent track every time. There’s a loss of presence. I’d like to hear lots more of these sample methodology samples ref vs actual with other speakers. Thanks Ron.
One of those speakers that's underrated in high-end audio (brand name, design, and cost aren't "impressive" enough). Don't listen to the snobs and trust your own ears.
To be honest i could not hear much of a difference with the reference track which is mind blowing , what i also did not heard (but i guess that can be from my headphones) was a top end that was bright , i did find it very well balanced , (once more i am not hearing it life, and via headphones ,...so , relative of course)
Great review, as usual! I found the SourcePoint 10 speakers on sale for $3000. Would you still purchase the Caladan open baffle speakers over these? I’ve been eyeing both.
These are not bad speakers but I’m not into vintage looking speakers. I’m more into modern which is the main reason I did not get them when I were shopping for new speakers.
So many options. They are easy to drive and cooperate with both tubes and solid state. I’d imagine it’s much more challenging to find a bad amp to pair than it is to find a good one.
nice looking speaker, solid design choices, 10" paper cone is a beautiful thing :) not as speaker for me tho, even with ports it has not deep bass, last sound click lost all the dep bass from the refence. if andrew designed a sealed box version i could add subwoofers and make it full range.
@@Pete.across.the.street you can, but a ported speaker is designed to try to work without it, ported is a comprise to get more bass extension. it adds cost and lowers sound quality. sometimes ports also conflicts with the subwoofer integration, plugging them can help but then you have a hybrid box with none of the benefits and all the drawbacks. best is to buy a speaker designed for the purpose you need.
It is fixed. You can't make it move with the woofer cone because the mass of the tweeter is far too high. You would severely reduce the efficiency of the woofer. Also, I use the magnets in such a way that both woofer and tweeter magnets combined their flux to improve the field in both the woofer and the tweeter magnet gaps. This couldn't happen if the tweeter were moving.
TADS they ain't. Like old Tannoys.. similar to the Fynes. Upward tilt from mids upward...these would be wearing over long term for me..but obviously YMMV.
No toe in will get you a very linear response. As we can see in Ron's room measurements, these are in no way bright or even show a hint of brightness. In a treated room, it should be just fine, in a bare room with reflections all over, the PIR as seen Erin's measurements should be more telling.
Bugging houses has become the norm. 🤔🤔
Source Point 10 and Andrew Jones new Source Point 888 are really good.
Listening to the 10s right now, specifically The Velvet Underground's Pale Blue Eyes, tears in my eyes. Spent 1 hour repositioning the 10s, now I have a HUGE soundstage, Lou Reed right smack dab in the middle speaking just to me.
That’s it - that’s exactly it!
@Newrecordday2013 dude, now I HEAR Lou smiling on Sweet Jane as he belts out "...and Jaaannnnne, she is a CLERK!" 😆
@@michaelmityok1001
That's awesome. 🙂 Yes, as Ron said, vocal coherency and realism are generally one of the standout attributes of a properly implemented concentric driver design...all of the vocal range emanating from a single point instead of being divided between two separate/different origins on the baffle.
I use my own 3-way DIY concentric studio monitor design in my home studio for this very reason. I'm using the BMS 5CN162HE 5" midrange/1" HF compression concentric drivers paired with 10" Ciare HW251N midbass/bass drivers in my design.
The concentric driver design improves the overall coherency and the use of the HF compression driver results in stunning dynamic transients that few speakers can match. The Ciare are also quite dynamically capable and provide for incredibly realistic drums (I'm a drummer & saxophonist). These replaced my previous ATC SCM25A active studio monitors for about 1/3 the cost. The spectral balance and clarity was similar with the ATCs, but the coherency, imaging/soundstage, and dynamics are on a different level with the DIY design. :)
Sound clips in this are phenomenal, even though a pair of speakers I did notice a little loss in clarity/presence in the speaker recordings, especially with some of the backing instruments, as though they were a little veiled compared to the reference recording, but overall, a really well-balanced speaker.
I also really appreciate the in-room measurements from different speaker locations, as it really illustrates how even in a well-treated room, the differences distances can create.
Keep up the great work, Ron!
Same takeaway here in regards to the sound clips vs reference.
How do they rate in this mid price category compared to the likes of Sonus Faber, Harbeth, etc.?
I have the Sourcepoint 10 paired with my Yamaha as2200. Great sounds. If this makes sense, it’s a very dynamic powerful vintage sound that you usually do not get these days for that price. My sub has been turned off since I purchased the sourcepoints. Just a powerful rich sound. Great video sir!!!
Couldn't agree more!
like that description ,..... huuuuuummmmm ! nice
That’s exactly what I have done when I got mine,, nobody understands how hard these things hit
would like to see this ones compared with the revival audio atalante 5 which are about the same price i think!
@@Newrecordday2013hello my dear. I no you try you’re best you’re branes but no kindness four say Andrew jones spy and no good mans. He working very hardly and xcelently four everyone enjoi and make Xcelent sound machine four dancing and Xcelent party four all humanitarians. But you are good mans most of the days but today you are little bit disgrace four your speech.
Let me add my experience about big paper cones with fabric suspensions. My DIY 3way speakers got a Ciare 8" PM200N as a mid speaker. It's a paper cone with pressed paper and fabric texture suspension. All the magic come from this mid. It's super fast, transparent and clear, gives realism to voices and instruments. Tweeter is just some inches above but still, everything sounds natural and beauty. Imho the magic comes from the big mid speaker. Coaxial gives for sure some plus but it's not the reason of this success. I would say that the great ATC midrange domes have similarities in sound characteristics with this kind of speakers.. Cheers
The Source Point 888 is a thing of beauty. I can't afford 'em, but sure wish I could.
Those are cool. Listening nearfield sounds like mids and lows are spot on to reference. Highs a little vailed and not quite as wide. They sound dang good. They are deep cabinet wise
The first track only, had a little bite in the treble but these sound very nice, I'm impressed and the measurements are just as impressive and correlates to what we are hearing
I heard these at Capital Audiofest when they first came out and loved their sound. My son and I both agreed these were some of our favorite speakers at the show. If I were in the market for new speakers, these would be at the top of my list.
Good afternoon from a rainy Toronto.
Simplicity and quality construction..without breaking the bank.
I think 2024 is looking up😎
I agree man.
These are everything i have wanted. I ended up making my own speakers that are concentric with eminence drivers 5 years ago, but the tweeter is recessed so its not quite the same as these. You really have to start from the driver up to create something like this.
I heard these a few months ago at a demo with Andrew present. Loved them and Andrew is a very nice gentleman. My only slight complaint would be lack of extreme low bass but that's what subs are for. Otherwise, I was very impressed.b
Andrew, take the challenge!!
From the recordings you played, very dynamic! For me almost hard sounding in the vocals an edge to the sound. To be fair I would have to hear them live.
I would like to hear them in my system.Love open baffle speakers had a pair of Hawthorne OB speakers, had to sell them after renovations to my house. Went from very nice to very bright after.
Great review!!!
You can't tell what a speaker sounds like through another speaker. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's literally pointless for reviewers to play demos.
Unironically the best review videos on RUclips.
Not sure you used the word unironic in the right context. Ironic (or its opposite) does not mean the same as sarcastic (or its opposite), and does not fit this sentence.
Great review! I have the Source Point 8's and run them with dual Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X subs. I absolutely love the 8's...overall sound quality is stunning. If I didn't have the subs, I would have likely opted for the SP 10's for more bass. Needless to say, I'm a very happy listener with these speakers!
I think the 888 is a great solution to my needs. These oversized bookshelves are an odd compromise and form factor.
I have the 8s with a sub running chord electronic Hugo TT2, m-scaler and BerTTi (75x2) and about 3 1/2 feet from wall and couldn’t be happier. Been through 4 speakers in 3 years and these are my favorites to date.
I heard these driven by a Hegel integrated amp and they were amazing. Big room-filling sound and very dynamic. I wonder how these compare to the Brute.
I can remember attending the Newport Show in 2015 and walking in the ELAC room for the Debut speaker…debut and being blown away. It was all the buzz in the hallways. It’s really the only thing I can recall from that show that made a significant impression on me. Unfortunately when I got a pair I couldn’t replicate what Andrew did in that hotel room. 😅
Can't wait for the new towers with 3 8"s, since bass aside by all accounts the 8"s sound/perform better overall (see Erin's audio corner reviews), so to get the 8"s but with REAL bass capability, that would be so awesome.
I have the 8’s with a HSU sub in my second more movie oriented listening system and I have found myself listening to them over my main system more and more recently. I didn’t tend for that to happen but man they are nice!
Great to hear. The HSU subwoofers also offer great performance, especially for the price. Cheers
I was ready to dismiss any rave review on the Pount 10 as I had heard them in person as Andrew, himself, did the presentation back in early 2022, and again at a dealer. To me, the bass could sound boomy, depending on the track. After, listening and watching Ron's set up, I now realize that the set up of the speakers were too close to the rear wall, on the two rooms I had my listening sessions. Dah! As with most rear ported speakers, they need room to breath. Thanks Ron for reminding me that the room and the setup of the speakers can make or destroy our sonic perceptions of said speakers.
@davidrivera2165
This is probably where just using a single band of Parametric EQ with a Q of between 1-5 could help optimize the in-room bass response due to your room's boundaries and the speaker placement in relation to them. A boomy or bloated/exaggerated bass response also has the effect of masking midrange and treble detail and clarity and the imaging/soundstage.
Time Stamps:
00:00 Start
03:38 Listening Impressions
04:46 Bass Impressions
06:52 Midbass Impressions
08:15 Midrange Impressions
10:14 Treble Impressions
11:43 Sound Stage Impressions
13:38 Dynamics impressions
15:11 Vertical Placement
16:23 Sound Clips
19:18 Speaker Measurements
23:40 Final Thoughts
Damn..... The 30 degrees off axis looks real linear. No toe in would be great, 'expands' the soundstage too!
Viewers would benefit from this being pinned to the top of the post list.
Busted out my open back planars and WOW! Those sounded awesome. An upgrade? Bi-amped with my quad paper 15s handling 100 hz and down, yes (subs set at 50 hz, of course).
The sound clips blew my mind. Listening IEM and no difference. Maybe the speakers are 'open' sounding more so? If that makes sense... like there is an air to it. Anyway, these are killer. Very exited to see your Aegir 2 / Sourcepoint 10 video.
The treble boost is there by design and I know some reviewers did have some problems with it.
And that's why they are not on top of my list, I am not into bright speakers.
Designed to be listened to off axis.
@@goodsound4756
If a bit of off-axis toe-out or acoustic absorbtion panels at the first side-wall reflection points don't remedy this, using just a single basic band of Parametric EQ with the proper Q or a Shelf Filter would completely fix this and shape the response even more to your personal preference.
The audio recording, mixing, and mastering engineers that actually produce the music you listen to use multiple instances of these types of EQ filters all day/every day in order to "shape" the response of the final recording. But for some reason audiophiles consider using any type of EQ in their playback systems as voodoo and detrimental.
A similar band of Parametric EQ could help optimize the in-room bass response due to your room's specific boundaries and the speaker placement in relation to them. A boomy or bloated/exaggerated bass response also has the effect of masking midrange and treble detail and clarity as well as the imaging/soundstage, and not enough midbass or bass obviously leads to an unexciting listening experience.
I loved the sound of this speaker. It is a very Fun sound. The only thing that kept me from getting them is that I can't really shove them up against the wall. They pretty much have it all. Not the speaker's fault It's mine. I just have limited space at this time.
WOW! Well I never got around to reading or hearing any other reviews of these speakers yet, though I do recall watching John Darko interview Andrew Jones about the development of these speakers - I think that was either just before or as they were being released (but don’t recall seeing any images or hearing them - so maybe right first time). Anywho, it perked my interest as always been a HUGE fan of the dual concentric type design since I bought a pair of Tannoy Sixes 611’s back in the early 1990’s. Oh boy, I can still remember the jaw dropping moment I first heard them (and still have the same pair to this day). But these are taking the principle yet further still with a single driver covering the bass as well - kinda a triple or 3-way concentric driver!
Now I read a few comments suggesting they thought they heard them slightly veil the sound, but the principle reason for commenting was how AMAZED I was by the sound demo/comparison section - Loved the first test track BTW (who was it?) - as even just listening on some modestly priced but decent IEM’s via my Chord Mojo I actually PREFERRED the sound of the speakers to the original recording !????! It was almost as if the upper mids and top end had MORE clarity, sparkle and air - really sounded great - but it was hands down the best sounding in room mic recording I’ve yet to hear on RUclips 🙌 🙌 🙌 So can only imagine how fab these sound in real life. I don’t even need any new speakers, but am now seriously tempted to find a reason to buy them 😉
+1 like for mentioning Supertramp! :)
KEF and Tannoy (and driver manufacturer SEAS) were doing concentric drivers decades before Elac ever did.
So was I...... I was at KEF when the Uni-Q was first designed. I have been designing concentric drivers ever since, close to 40 years now. KEF released concentric drivers before SEAS. And Tannoy, although concentric, uses a compression driver mounted behind the woofer magnet, rather than a regular tweeter mounted at the apex of the cone. Not the same concept.
@@andrewjones6161thank you for all your contributions!
0:30 I did it to a pair of 8" bass med drivers and 10" bass med drivers. I also highly modify wide band single drivers for better voice sound and more highs, by slitting the cone right near the center for easier cone vibrations in the highs. And cutouts near the outside of the cone to make the cone act like a free edge cone. I ran the single drivers open on top of the box and a woofer in the box (best sounding speakers I made). I might use my 10" coaxials on high power handling speakers, or open baffle on the woofer with the open coaxial outright. And also a boxed woofer facing straight down onto the floor (like my FR + woofer lounge speakers woofer mounting). 😅 My friend has a set of speakers I built with 8" coaxials + woofer (firing onto the floor). But now (cos of the mod) the modified single drivers are at least as good as the coaxials, more cohesion in the meds to the highs!. And still enough power handling for lounge speakers.
When you record speakers in a room, the treble rolls off on the reflected treble from the walls. That treble will roll off, combined with the direct treble, still results in a roll off right up top. But this is really minimal with your recordings. On the chart, the Source Point speaker treble looks like it peakes at 20 khz (excellent for compensating the reflected treble). And why the roll off is so minimal. In fact you might even get a gain in top treble if you did the same comparisons outside (when it's really quiet). 😅
I wonder what you might think were you to have a large Harbeth speaker in your room. Especially the 40. 🤔
I hope one day you will get a chance to review the Source Point 8, Ron. Erin is not the only reviewer that has noted their preference of the ‘8’ over the ‘10’s’.
AJ is a genius. Thanks for that great demo. Those SP10's sound soooo close to the source on my Elac DBR6.2's, which also go down to 30htz in my room. Me OK with no sub as I dont play loud. Saving my ears... Great video. But those 888's might fit in my studio...
I have subs and I don't listen loud.
@@Audfile And good that subs helped your sound. Some speakers don't need subs. Just personal choice.
@peterbaugh51 most speakers need subs. Let's be honest. There's a LOT of data down low. It's the part that adds air and space and... low frequency music. If you're telling me this and you don't have monstrous towers, let alone bookshelves..
@@Audfile It is preference even for trolls. Lowest E on bass guitar is 41 htz. 30 htz is low enough for my taste. With no subs. Understand? Pipe organs can go to 8 htz. Do your subs do that? I know the answer. I have played real pipe organs. But not in my house.... No need.
@@Audfile I forgot to mention, I use Tube Preamps with clean 200 watt power into two speakers. Tubes seem to do something to deep bass and the signal in general. This may be part of the reason I do not use subs. Solid state alone never gave me the realistic sound I know from live performances. Always used tube amps for live performances. You get spoiled by tubes I guess...
Andrew should use this driver in an open baffle for sure!
Enjoyed your take on these
How does it sound for classical orchestral music, dense recordings and rock?
Source points look quite great for the price but for my room i would only need the 8s with a pair of subs. Can’t wait for the review of the bully’s though as your prior sound impression they easily won for me over Caladans and source point.
I believe the 8s would be just my cup of tea.
Like a grown up version of my ls50s.
The stands however, look like they were beaten with an ugly stick!
Love the review... but something you said confused me a bit.
You said to never listen to the coaxial speaker head on... But in your graph the green line (10 degrees off axis) looked amazingly flat.
(Or am I imagining that?)
If so... would it make sense to do a 10 degree toe in or out?
And yes you're nuts for leaving these things 8 feet into the room.
On a side note... ABX just released a new video where they demoed a 10" coaxial open baffle 'mini'.
You should check it out...
Thanks!
Whoa! Thanks!
@@Newrecordday2013 you do a fabulous job
I have my sourcepoint 10s over 1 year now. They do not drive the low super well. I am looking at the 888. I do love these speakers but they can be harsh if you don’t have em set up properly with toe in etc. all in all I love these speakers…but I do use a sub frequently especially for rock. I use a Rega Brio integrated to drive em and they get really loud! Wonder how they sound with a tube integrated. Not sure if the 888 will resolve the issue…need to check em out. What did you use to drive em?
Nice review... I like your take on these. On another topic ...it would be great to hear what you think of the new Maco open baffles that are only now hitting the market. (A great shootout with the Caledons and the wooden baffle version of the Macos. Quite a price difference ...I know but the quality differences might be less than one expects.)
Great stuff 👍
What are some of you favorite high sensitive monitors? I need to pair speakers with a SET amp. I will probably pair these speakers with OB servo subs. I am looking for 92db or above, above +96 is preferred. I like effortless midrange, this will be an analogue system. BTW, great job on your room!
thanks for the insights. i remember you had very good words of the buchardt s400 mk2. they are my current speakers and i like them quite a lot. but i do want an upgrade, without breaking the bank. and the sourcepoint 8 (not 10) is roughly at the same price right now as the buchardts (2000 usd). so i wonder if these would make a good upgrade to the buchardts. what do you think? how would you compare those two sets? cheers
Bet with a sub, taking that duty off them, even less distortion…. Great design.
I own a pair, and they are absolutely amazing I have so many other speakers from Børresen, Sonus Faber, Klipsch, and nothing hits harder and sounds better period….
May I ask which Borresen speakers you are comparing against?
I’m looking to upgrade and have been considering the Borresen X2’s on a Axxess Forte 2 Amp, but obviously some $ there.
Maybe these could be a speaker to carry m over a little longer?
@@Lovehandles2024 I have the x1 I went back to the store to exchange them for the x6 and realized even those don’t play loud they are very afraid to push them loud
@@Lovehandles2024 I have the Borresen x1 but I have heard all of them at a demo and still my mofi hit harder than even the x6
@@Lovehandles2024 if you buy them get them from Europe much cheaper
Personal preference, wish there's a Source Points 6. Like small bookshelf speaker.
The Source Point 888 sounds amazing!! Hopefully a review soon.
@midnightrider8105
Erin at Erin's Audio Corner has a pair on order to keep in his main system and will obviously provide measurements and a review for them, but I hope Ron does as well.
It’s funny they don’t get a lot of press. Looking at Shaw’s open baffle, but I just may go right into Focal Kanta No2 or No3.
Totally agree! Listened to the samples with Hifiman Ananda's. Had a hard time discerning between the reference and the Source Points. Usually there is an IMMEDIATE notice of difference for me. Did your mic setup change? That was so close that I thought you may be pulling the wool over our eyes. I know you to have integrity though so these sound pretty incredible!
Thanks Craig! Yeah man - same technique and no funny business! Those things just recorded up really nicely!
Great review! How do you think these will be with the Hegel H190?
Love your reviews, need higher frequency! 😊
Looks a lot like the Tannoy Dual Concentric or Altec 604 drivers.
Great review. Probably physically too large for my space, unfortunately, but might check out the 8's. You mentioned the Schiit Aegir 2 being a potentially good fit but that that was for another day. Is that review coming soon? I heard a rumor that you'll have a review up for the AudioCraftsmen Laval soon too. If that's true, would love to hear your take on how they might fit with the Aegir 2's in stereo and monoblock set ups.
What can i say... I hope one Day.... And then i woke up.😮😊
Can you review Source Point 8 next?
I can ask, sure.
@@Newrecordday2013just review the 888, as they are suppose to be better. The crossovers are 3-4 times the quality/price than the one in the sourcepoint 8, according to designer Andrew Jones.
‘Lucky day for you, good sir.’ 😆😆
I hope a version with 2 10" woofers are coming
They is.
Ron, I had a helluva lotta fun with your building of the acoustic treatment of the sound shed series- out of curiosity, are the Earthwork mics in a dummy head configuration? After falling in love with what I heard from the OBs - something I’m sure I share with a lot of your regulars - I’m relieved to hear there’s hope for us folks with a history of rooms constraining us to monkey coffins. 🤭
Would be interesting to get your take on the Triple8s.
Cheers.
I'm obviously not Ron, but I use the nearly identical Earthworks QTC30 mics in my home studio, and I'm fairly certain that Ron is using his QTC40 mics as a stereo "spaced pair" with each mic placed on-axis at the reference axis height of the speakers and somewhere between 12"-36" out in front of each speaker. So basically, one mic is positioned at ear level and on-axis directly in front of each speaker.
The microphones distance from the front baffle of the speakers controls the ratio or mixture of the direct sound (speaker sound only) vs the room's reflections or "echo/reverb". The closer the microphones are placed to the front baffle of the speakers, the less room interaction they will pick up. It's analogous to listening to speakers in the near-field as opposed to mid- or far-field, the latter of which is more typical in our HiFi listening rooms.
Binaural Head recordings work extremely well for actual live single point musical instrument or vocal sources combined with listening to these recordings using headphones or IEMs/earbuds, but binaural head microphones are not quite ideal when trying to accurately capture the sound of a separate pair of loudspeakers which are reproducing that sound via 2 separate sources in a stereo field.
IOW, when we hear a live instrument or vocal with our own ears in real life, we are hearing those sounds emanate from a single point in space, whereas binaural head microphones that are recording a PAIR of Stereo Speakers are trying to replicate that experience but are having to record the facsimile of a single point source that is psychoacoustically created from two separate speakers with some distance between them.
HTH
The compromise with the coaxial is lack of excursion because he didn't want it to interfere with the tweeter and cause diffraction so the x max is limited and so isn't the lower frequencies, that's why he used a 10 woofer. To make up for the excursion. My speakers that I made for myself are a 2 way with a 10" paper kevlar fiberglass cone woofer but the trade off is I don't have a coaxial but I get excursion and lower bass frequency. But I kept the tweeter as close as possible . But I love a 10" woofer if you can pull it off in a 2 way even better
The issue with using a 10" midwoofer to reproduce both the midrange and midbass/bass is that the directivity will suffer due to beaming of the 10" diameter driver, and as you stated, the center-to-center spacing between the tweeter and midwoofer is greater which causes vertical lobing effects.
You would need to use a "tweeter" that has a very low Fs and low crossover center frequency capability so as to avoid crossing over the 10" midwoofer at a point where beaming is evident.
This is why most pro audio or other larger speakers that use 10" or larger midwoofers typically use a horn-loaded HF driver which helps to extend the crossover between the HF and midwoofer driver to a much lower crossover point.
Any type of speaker configuration and combination of drivers and driver sizes is an exercise of compromises and trade-offs, and a "balancing act". I think that Andrew did very well with this design in order to minimize those compromises.
FYI, I use a 5"/1" concentric midrange/HF drive unit in my own DIY 3-way studio monitor design with the BMS 5CN162HE + 10" Ciare HW251N midbass/bass drivers. The advantage of the BMS concentric driver is that it uses a high-efficiency compression driver for the tweeter which provides for incredible dynamics that typical dome tweeters simply aren't capable of.
@@bbfoto7248 if you crossover before 1400 Hz you not going to have any serious issues with beaming
@@bbfoto7248 I'm just repeating what Andrew himself said about his speaker design. I watched him in a interview about it. I designed a successful 2 way with a 10" woofer. I used a tweeter with a rf of 620 and I used a 18 db slope third order crossover. Which you can crossover around 1400 before you have serious beaming issues. I took a long time trying to find the right woofer and I used one that can be used a decaded mid and can be used up to 7000 without breaking up of course you you will have beaming. Which has nothing to do with lobbing. I have ran distortion and took on and off axis measurements and everything is beautiful for what I wanted in my listening room I'm happy with it. Could I do better if course. But I get really good bass and dynamics. I have heard a lot of three ways that just didn't crossover to the mid and woofer right. It just didn't blend in to my ears. I would like to try what you described with a professional driver and compression drivers. But I pulled off the 2 way with a 10" and it sounds awesome. Like I said I heard Andrew describe the compromises he faced with that challenge, I didn't just know all that information out of my head. He's a rockstar of speaker design.
@@bbfoto7248 the speakers I am talking about is right in my profile picture. It's MDF covered with solid 75 oak it's a heavy duty cabinet with a 3" bottom and top. I wanted an old school style speaker and for under a grand I built a nice speaker for myself. I did a lot of homework and testing over and over different versions of crossovers that I originally simulated then got the clips and ran sweeps. It would have cost me another at least $300 to make it a 3 way and I am on a budget so I went for it and it covers the bass and mids fine but I use a diy subwoofer for under 80 Hz so it doesn't have to reproduce the real low frequencies
@@BostonMike68
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Plenty of distance around these speakers and a warm up like McIntosh needed- from my listening experience
@newrecordday2013
Ron, for something a bit different and IMO a "torture test" for everything other than male & female vocals, try listening to "Dub Colossus - Dub In A Time Of Cholera".
You won't be able to use it in your sound clips due to copyright, but it's one of the first tracks I cue up when demo'ing and evaluating any system...and I'm primarily a jazz saxophonist and drummer/percussionist. 😛
There’s some loss of fidelity and kick up of mid highs, I’d choose the referent track every time. There’s a loss of presence. I’d like to hear lots more of these sample methodology samples ref vs actual with other speakers. Thanks Ron.
Thanks man
Can it last if using it in 70% above humility area.
As I dropped the needle on... Scott Farkus... I cried, baby. I cried.
Hey Ron, is it a "walnut cabinet" or is it pressed glued sawdust (mdf) with a paper thin walnut sheet glued on it (veneer) ?
Hey Mikey, I’m pretty certain it’s veneer over mdf. I should have been more careful with my words. Thanks!
I'll trade you a kidney for the speakers. 😊
The most epic of Catholic vibes doth emanate from this video good broski.
Would a schiit tyr pair be good with pointsource
Absolutely
I want a 3-way tower version of these.
One of those speakers that's underrated in high-end audio (brand name, design, and cost aren't "impressive" enough). Don't listen to the snobs and trust your own ears.
anyone know if these would be too much for a 10x12 room?
8 feet of real estate is no problem, I have a dining room and a kitchen.
To be honest i could not hear much of a difference with the reference track which is mind blowing , what i also did not heard (but i guess that can be from my headphones) was a top end that was bright , i did find it very well balanced , (once more i am not hearing it life, and via headphones ,...so , relative of course)
Yeah, hey, @Andrew Jones: make an open baffle speaker, will you? Ta.
I'm going from Klipsch heresy Iv to either the 8 or 10s. Decisions.
Great review, as usual! I found the SourcePoint 10 speakers on sale for $3000. Would you still purchase the Caladan open baffle speakers over these? I’ve been eyeing both.
Same question
"Enjoyed more than most"......that is what I told my ex-husband.
These are not bad speakers but I’m not into vintage looking speakers. I’m more into modern which is the main reason I did not get them when I were shopping for new speakers.
Thank you for explaining 👍
Please a comparison of the SP10 and SP888.....
How do they compare to the GR research XL-S Encores?
Bigger sound - more dynamic - more bold - less wide and deep. Less brilliance on top. Pick your poison.
are you going to review the 888's
ruclips.net/video/ZosrEhT5LfY/видео.htmlsi=n3BLYOrugqewoL8f
Which amp is Good for the sourcepoint 10 ?
So many options. They are easy to drive and cooperate with both tubes and solid state. I’d imagine it’s much more challenging to find a bad amp to pair than it is to find a good one.
@@Newrecordday2013 Thanks, i Know. But where Have Heard the „Perfect“ Match :))?
How do they compare to the Brute/Bully aside from deep bass?
We will find our soon. Real soon.
@@Newrecordday2013 Thanks and keep up the great work!!
Those aren't big. My speakers are 6' x 2' x 1' deep (dual 15" woofers). I agree that paper woofer are best.
nice looking speaker, solid design choices, 10" paper cone is a beautiful thing :)
not as speaker for me tho, even with ports it has not deep bass, last sound click lost all the dep bass from the refence.
if andrew designed a sealed box version i could add subwoofers and make it full range.
Please remember those clips were taken 8 feet into the room. At 4 feet, you would have heard linear bass down to 30hz.
I have these about a foot from the wall and these things thump really well.
@@Pete.across.the.street you can, but a ported speaker is designed to try to work without it, ported is a comprise to get more bass extension. it adds cost and lowers sound quality.
sometimes ports also conflicts with the subwoofer integration, plugging them can help but then you have a hybrid box with none of the benefits and all the drawbacks.
best is to buy a speaker designed for the purpose you need.
Peder af Ugglas never heard of him. Checking his rather extensive discography on Qobuz as I write this. How could I have missed him? He’s the bomb!
So damn good!
@@Newrecordday2013 I sampled a few of his albums so far and I have yet to detect any “filler” pieces. Absolutely love all of it.
That intro SLAYED!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Haha glad you liked it.
Holly Moses it sounds similar
Pretty crazy right?
@@Newrecordday2013 indeed... Can't wait to hear the 888.
accordion surround
Audiophile is a label, label are dangerously close to a antihero it’s complicated 😂
It’s a shame that these are not made in America! At this price point, it is simply unacceptable!
If you are an open baffle guy you should checkout the ABX Audiophile.
Does the tweeter move with the mid woofer, or is it "fixed" like with my KEF LS50s?
The tweeter doesn’t move with the woofer. It is fixed.
@@Newrecordday2013 I figured that it had to be "fixed" but no one was addressing the issue...lol. Great channel!
It is fixed. You can't make it move with the woofer cone because the mass of the tweeter is far too high. You would severely reduce the efficiency of the woofer. Also, I use the magnets in such a way that both woofer and tweeter magnets combined their flux to improve the field in both the woofer and the tweeter magnet gaps. This couldn't happen if the tweeter were moving.
There's a fly on your head
Damn was hoping he had the triple 8's
TADS they ain't.
Like old Tannoys.. similar to the Fynes.
Upward tilt from mids upward...these would be wearing over long term for me..but obviously YMMV.
U havnt listened to them! Neither have I so I will make an informed opinion when I have..
No toe in will get you a very linear response. As we can see in Ron's room measurements, these are in no way bright or even show a hint of brightness. In a treated room, it should be just fine, in a bare room with reflections all over, the PIR as seen Erin's measurements should be more telling.