Steve, I bought a pair at Axpona and received a significant discount for doing so from the dealer downstairs. I agree they are terrific. They throw a huge, deep, and high stage. There is also great instrument separation. I actually was a vintage ADS speaker enthusiast but these were compelling to me.
Here a recap of my systems: HIFI SYSTEM Turntable: Technics SL 1200 mk5 by Mr.1200 (rewired arm, rca socket, external power supply) + Ortofon RS-309D 12" tonearm on an Acoustand plinth. Cartridge: Ortofon SPU #1E, Nagaoka MP-110 MC step up transformer: Auditorium23 MM phono preamp: Fezz Audio Gaia Mini CD player: Technics SL-P1200 Streamer: Primare NP5 Prisma DAC: Audio Exklusiv P0.8 Cassette tape: Braun C301M Preamplifier: Shindo Mazeris Bellevus Model 454 Power Amp: Decware Zen Triode SE84UFO On the bench: Amp Camp Amp and Reisong A10 SPEAKERS: Altec horn/Onken system: - Altec 414-16C woofer - Altec 802 mid driver on Altec 511B horn - JBL 2404 tweeter - Werner Jagusch crossovers TV SYSTEM Preamp: Rotel RC-972 DAC: Rotel rdp-980 CD player: Rotel rdd-980 Power amps: Rotel RMB-100 monoblocks Speakers: Jbl 4530 + JBL 2426J on 2370A horn DJ CONSOLLE - Technics SL-1200 mk2 - Technics SL-DZ1200 cd player - Allen & Heath Xone 23 mixer
Steve, I would to thank you for all that you do for the average Audiophile, you give honest and experienced opinions that are very helpful to me in my journey. Jeff
The one crux of Steve's reviews appears to be just what sounded best with his stuff. Now ... that ... is telling. The Source Point 8 sounded bigger with my stuff. But if you change and input source you know, everything changes. But what we needs is the best possible electrical match for each speaker and then comparing them side by side with not the same source, but the same CD or record played on ideal source equipment and then ... say well, that system was not as good as this system.
Interesting review Steve! If I wasn't retired and on Social Security I'd buy a pair. However, being relegated to DIY at this stage of my life, I'm more inclined to spend my money on a pair of 10" RADIAN 5210Be coaxials and build my own cabinets using the Nelson Pass designed 6-24 crossover from the diyaudio store. The hardest decision will be which amp to use to power them, a J2 or SIT2!
@@keplermission I started diy'ing hifi because a lot of commercial components don't deliver, break, and/or offer terrible value for money. Like if Coyote stopped buying acme crap and built his own traps:)
@@peterlarkin762 The Douk Audio ST-01 is Amazon's take on the Dayton Audio HTA 100 BTA. In the movie Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood, they mention 'The Duck of Death', Douk, Douk of death.
Without taking anything away from your reviews, I do think that your music recommendations are absolutely on point I discovered so much quality music following this channel 🙏🏻
Thank you Steve! Another excellent review. I learn a lot from all of your reviews, but just have to tell you what I love most about your channel is the music you share that you’re using to compare/evaluate different components. I find myself snapping a pic of the album cover so I can go back and listen later. I have expanded my playlist dramatically thanks to your reviews. Look forward to you next one!
@@seanb3303 You know ... I have two systems I've compared for years and you know, I mean you really you should buy all these things and just compare them yourself with different sources and in different systems. A speaker might take years to sound good because you have the wrong source or amplifier. Now what good is there of Steve reviewing your choice of affordable dainties?
There is something about the 8" size for monitors , mids , thats why spendor, harbeth....choose it ...even in high efficiency..its the lowther size...fane studio 8m....❤
I really don't get these comparisons, specially the Elac's one. The price difference is huge! They're both Andrew Jone's designs but very different speakers. If the elacs were even close to the mofis, now that would be something to report.
@@1Hiprascal i also have them and am happy with them. I just think the comparison doesn't maky any sense and it doesn't add anything. The one with the bigger model within the same brand and range does for example, specially because Steve thinks this one's better and that's something one's not expecting.
The real determining factor for all of these is the size of room you will be using them in. Interesting that Steve never really touches on this - for e.g., the Metas in a small room would be the better choice over either of the Point Source speakers. The Point Source 10 would be the better choice over the Source Point 8 in a large room. Also, the KEF R3 Meta would be the logical competitor to the Source Point 8, so why no comparison? Agree though that those stands are hideous.
No the smaller diameter of any speaker the wider the dispersion and the Source Point 10 is going to have poorer dispersion but you know, is the 10's x-over point lower? You know ... how good a designer is Old Bones?
You mentioned that the Mofi Sourcepoint 8 (2way with 8 inch nominal diameter midwoofer) are $3.0k/pair with stands, which is pricing very similar to KEF R3 Meta (3way with 6.5 inch nominal diameter woofer) priced at $2.2k/pair and matching KEF S3 stands priced at $0.7k/pair (S3 stands seem overpriced to me, for what they are), for $2.9k total. That may be a better comparison than the significantly smaller and less expensive KEF LS50 Meta (2way with 5.25 inch nominal diameter midwoofer) priced at $1.6k/pair plus the matching KEF S2 stands priced at $0.45k/pair, for $2.05k total.
@@hopje01 there is no country that uses a decimal based system for every 1000 of a currency. We switch to 1k, 2k, etc *because the number becomes larger and larger to write* . $0.7k is longer than $700.
Hey Steve. How about a show where you go back and revisit some of the people you've interviewed? Like Joe the cop for instance. Any system updates? And that sorta thing. Could even just have them film it themselves, instead of you having to go to each place. Just a thought. ✌️
Why your my favorite. Never a bad word. But insight. 😊 I've been so happy with the SL 1200 and it's paid for now....next.... I kept a old SLQ 300 for the basement and also got rid of the beloved TD 160
It’s interesting how much reviewers like the KEF Metas. I really disliked them. I ended up with Revel Performa 3 106s, which don’t get a lot of attention from reviewers.
Steve, love all your reviews. I like the SourcePoint 8 comparison with other speakers, especially the ELAC, but was wondering why not compare with a larger ELAC, Andrew Jones-designed speaker, specifically the Carina line, for which there are inexplicably few reviews? Also, would you use a subwoofer with the SourcePoint 8? Thanks!
Given these are made in China of not terribly exotic materials, I think there is an “Andrew Jones tax” of about $1k on each pair, a point you bring out in your compare to the lintons. I’m personally suspicious of Mofi who made its rep in another area, proceeded to squander that rep, and then moved into outsourced manufacturing with hired gun “name” designers. The whole idea seems like more a of a business proposition than a passion for audio.
When I heard the 8's at Axpona this April my immediate impression was that it was a better listen than the 10. Did AJ use better XO parts or improve the bracing? Or use a different supplier for his woofer?
I wonder whether the Mofi 8 stands would look better in black? At least there are plenty of other stands that would work with the 8 as they are a fairly conventional size.
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Black definitely would be nicer. And on top of that, Steven, if you turn them right side up, they'll be even better looking. Seriously, I just checked their website, seems to me that you have them facing the wrong way forward :D
Wish you would compare to the Hsu CCB-8 point source speaker. I will be willing to bet money this high price speaker is not any better. I'm sure it looks better; but it doesn't look $2000.00 more better. People will pay all that money because if you price something high it's got to be better.
No seeing the SourcePoint 10 or 8. Gym equipment stand, so not premium. At my dealer the 10 was picky on placement, toe-in, etc and passed on the 8. Not impressed with this line.
Nice to get a great view on the source point 8 , thanks!! The woofer size changes things a lot. Our illustrious designer must have felt the 8 was special to have offered it. Less mass, probably, so it can render sound a bit faster and more accurately?! And it’s friendlier to purchase🙏 not easy perhaps, but for the sound quality seems like a great value. Stand’s don’t bug me, but maybe you can wrap a nice skirt around the base 😂 Not too nice tho, or the speaker will look less pleasing 😂 Great review!
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Higher sensitivity in the larger diameter but smoke and mirrors because the inertia point is lower in the smaller diameter. What does it mean? Well the Damping Factor and power of the three amplifiers Steve used for the Mo-Fi 8 probably suit it better than what he'd used for the Mo-Fi 10. The question would be whether the 10 is capable of sounding as good as the 8? That' questionable, it has 40 watts more handling than the 8 and despite higher sensitivity its inertia point is higher. Steve is not really being exhaustive in testing.
@@keplermission No he’s doing subjective listening tests. The way most people buy speakers. Some of us actually only care about how they sound, and not how great the measurements are. And not everyone is going to go through the process of learning the acoustics of their room, and learning loudspeaker design, etc. In fact most are not. So you’re basically asking him to cater to a much smaller audience of measurement inclined people. Which is horrible advice for his career. There’s already people on here that do that sort of thing anyway. Erin’s Audio Corner is where you should check out for that type of content. ✌️
@@amb3cog You know NEC of Japan put the IFCAT system in their amplifiers to cope with higher speaker sensitivity's extra big back e.m.f. and that was with a 91.5db SPL, 8 ohm. You see higher sensitivity speakers need amplifiers designed to cope with back emf and medium sensitivity speakers despite their lower inertia still need more current and usually have a round transformer to supply it. I mean subjective listening tests you know, has to be qualified into classes of speaker and amplifier because what sound bad with your connected stuff may in fact be good with the manufacturer's intended equipment. You know?
I'll just say this, the S 400 is a better, more complete sounding speaker. Or another way of saying it the reference sounds undernourished by comparison.
No ... no ... it's smoke and mirrors, it's best to measure with your own Sound Pressure Level meter just exactly what each speaker is giving at a certain volume. No.
@@keplermission What’s smoke and mirrors? General guidelines? Are you high? They’re called “general” for a reason. You haven’t found some source of information the rest of us don’t have friend. You’re simply just failing to understand how things actually work, and are full of hubris. ✌️
Can someone here help me with the organ album? By Anna von Who...? Album title? Thanks. Not Anna Lapwood, the TicToc organist who does the midnight concerts at Royal Albert Hall. It would be great if Steve could list albums in print in video details. BTW, Reference Recordings has at least three dynamite organ recordings by Kraybill (2) and Draagen.
I just don't "get" purchasing 'well-reviewed' speakers and then needing to purchase a sub-woofer to have quality fidelity? It makes no sense to me. When I assess a speaker, I want its bass response to be sufficient and deeply pleasing. It's doable! Currently I love the full-bodied sound from my Tannoy Revolution XT-8F towers. You can purchase for $2400, don't need to make additional purchases of stands and sub.
Because we’re not all in the same size room. I can’t do big towers for instance. They’ll boom. And because stand mounts and subs have better bass overall. Which means better everything. Except for scale and dynamics. But they’re much better at imaging, and soundstage. And just present the music in a much tighter way. Pick your poison. ✌️
@@amb3cog Thanks for the reply. I guess...pick your poison? My Tannoy's (in combination with my Rogue Audio Sphinx V3 hybrid tube/integrated) amp have great imaging and soundstage. Although, I believe you're correct about the room. I'm blessed to have a nice big rectangular room. I believe that the room is actually the most significant part of a "sound system".
@@zizendorf It’s just an expression. I think you’re looking too far into it. There was no alternative meaning or anything other than pick what works for you. They’re choices. And they’re designed to be appealing to all customers. Which one product has trouble doing. Even Apple had to break down and admit that themselves. So they released different size phones. These companies are trying to make money. So they give the consumers what they want, and many people prefer stand mounted speakers. While many prefer floor mounted. Hence both. Take your pick. ✌️
I would love subs and large bookshelves, but I don't have the space or the budget... Towers are excellent value in this regard, and it really depends on the room. Boomy towers are often helped by cushions against the back wall, distance from wall and placing them on pucks, granite or thick MDF.
@@peterlarkin762 Agreed! With my room's size and configuration, I love that I've got the space to have my towers a full 3 feet away from the back and side walls. It makes a huge difference. As a result, my Tannoy's don't need a sub-woofer.
Huh? He has to have the speaker to compare it. Heck he has to hear it to compare it. Has he even heard that speaker? And if so when? Two years ago? Our acoustic memory is horrible. He can’t compare everything basically. Simple as that really. ✌️
@@joeldavis4766 Not trying to be rude. But, are you intellectually challenged? This isn't rocket surgery. It's very simple. To compare two things he has to hear them both, and he hasn't. So he can't possibly compare them. End of story. ✌️
All concentric driver speakers are designed to be listened off axis. I forget the exact reason. But it’s due to the design. Erin from Erin’s Audio Corner explains this in his videos. I recommend you have a look. You’ll understand this all a lot better after doing so. ✌️
Steve, I love most of your reviews but not so much this speaker review. The comparison speakers didn't seem all that equal (eq. woofer and box size) and you mostly focused on bottom end not considering highs and midrange and most of all how easy they are to listen to for a long session (admission: I have the Buchardts MKII which I love). Rest assured, you have not lost me as a fan, I just didn't get too much from this review.
Hi, Steve. A question. What is the difference between Tannoy, Kef Uni Q and MoFi? All have a treble in the middle of the bass/mid register. There are probably a few more that have the same construction. Shouldn't they all sound about the same?
Good question. I will pose one answer on behalf of a small percentage of the population. I have KEF LS50 and Tannoy Cheviots. I never liked the sound of any 3-way tower speaker I ever heard (except my old Allison Three's) -- I owned 4 and listened to dozens. They sound disjointed, abrasive. My ear doc said I am probably one of the few people who are ultra-sensitive to timing and phase errors inherent in 3-way towers. As soon as I listened to point source (or dual concentric), my problem was immediately solved. It made a HUGE difference to my ears. Point source speakers eliminate certain frequency interference problems near the crossover point, because regular speakers have different drivers playing the same frequencies but are different distances from your ears.. There are more and more concentric speakers being developed. Zu in Utah. Spatial Audio. Cabasse, etc, etc. For floor standers, Tannoy are the best followed by Zu. KEF is good for stand speakers.
Differences in crossover and cabinet design will produce different sound. And the drivers may be similar in type doesn't mean they sound the same. After all, not all 6 inch cone woofers sound alike!
Designer Andrew Jones explains that he went for 8" or 10" to be able to reduce excursion (which was important because the woofer is behaving as a waveguide for the tweeter in the middle).
@@syr1964 In my setup the LS50W's sound brutally honest, they reveal every detail and imperfection, so you need good sources. They also image like banshees. The Cheviots are my faves -- dynamic, warmish, lush, detailed -- like playing a good analog system. I have really good sources and electronics for it -- Sonore and PS Audio.This setup sounds as good as any TT system I've heard. I play both speakers with subwoofer -- KC62 for the LS50W's and REL T/7i for the Cheviots -- they make a big diff.
I didn't have any speakers that would directly compare. Please understand, that other manufacturers will not spend a lot of money to send me speakers for comparison purposes.
Almost nothing sounds good near a wall. Have a male friend talk with his back up against the wall, and then have them move two feet away from the wall and continue talking, then 3 feet away from the wall. The wall is a gigantic reflector that's interfering with the direct sound of the male voice. Same problem with audio speakers.
i want bigger speakers not smaller speakers. Now if someone could invent a driver that's say 15" or larger that can somehow operate full range like a scaled up headphone driver, THAT would be sick! unfortunately I don't think physics is our friend here :(
why would you want a tiny pathetic speaker, no thanks. even crossing at 80hz to a sub, that thing is going to have a lot of excursion at only 6" if you like to turn it up even a bit or listen to bass heavy music. you'll lose efficiency and have to pad the tweeter more. just all around an inferior idea.
@@Artcore103 They are called desktop speakers, and they are used by millions of people. There's virtually no excursion to speak of at the volume levels I tend to listen to. Small speakers are perfectly capable of good mid, and high range.
Well, that your choice. But since people bought German and Japanese cars after the Second World War I figured it was OK for folks to judge the SourcePoint 8 on its own merits.
Lol.... the stands are pretty ugly🤢 Reminds me of watching a renovation (competition) show when the contestants have run out of money and are looking in thrift shops and verge throughouts...... Look honey, we can use those plant pot stands for the speakers🙄
I dont use so called banana connections to The The speakers. Its to risky to first connet The speaker cable with bananas to The RECIEVER but but not banana conectors in the other end och The speakercable because of The risk that those ananas may Touch each other and BURN The recievers. That deadly risk is NOT ACC3PTABLE. So The so called bandana plugs neeeds to be redesigned so there is a kind of tube ober The metall sticks that makes is IMPOSSIBLE to Touch each other and that The sludes back and expose The metall tips when you slide them into The The conectors. Should have been done maaany years ago.
@@louiesipes2257 thats NOT The anser. Its risk asses ment. Accidents will allways appen. Of course everybody Would do to turn The power of normally but accidents happends 3veryday when People for some reason forget best PRAXIS. I am talking about risks. A risk has Two parts. Part 1 is The probability that an accidents happends and part 2 is The concequence of The defined accident. So Risk = probability that The accident happends * (* stands for combined). So a Risk can become to High to accept in three ways 1. The probability for The accident shall happends are verry High and The consequences is not low. 2. The probability is not low and The consequences is High. 3. Both the probability for The accident are High and The consequence is High. And in this case The consquence are almost maximal (even death of The operator!). So there are EVERY REASON to redesign The plug and make safe. The way you argue can be fatal. So even if mostly there are a way for The user to operate to make The operation safe has NEVER stoped The engineer to build in safety function in electronics if any such function is possible to create. And without them many thousand operators during histiry Would have died totally in vain.
Well you know, Steve didn't try wrapping them with a sheet and telling us if the speakers sounded any different. I mean if you have to shift a product ... give it a helping hand and I thought Steve never gave negative reviews? Well there you are.
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Steve, I bought a pair at Axpona and received a significant discount for doing so from the dealer downstairs. I agree they are terrific. They throw a huge, deep, and high stage. There is also great instrument separation. I actually was a vintage ADS speaker enthusiast but these were compelling to me.
honored to be featured as the Audiophiliac Viewer System Of The Day. Thanks Steve!
Here a recap of my systems:
HIFI SYSTEM
Turntable: Technics SL 1200 mk5 by Mr.1200 (rewired arm, rca socket, external power supply) + Ortofon RS-309D 12" tonearm on an Acoustand plinth.
Cartridge: Ortofon SPU #1E, Nagaoka MP-110
MC step up transformer: Auditorium23
MM phono preamp: Fezz Audio Gaia Mini
CD player: Technics SL-P1200
Streamer: Primare NP5 Prisma
DAC: Audio Exklusiv P0.8
Cassette tape: Braun C301M
Preamplifier: Shindo Mazeris Bellevus Model 454
Power Amp: Decware Zen Triode SE84UFO
On the bench: Amp Camp Amp and Reisong A10
SPEAKERS:
Altec horn/Onken system:
- Altec 414-16C woofer
- Altec 802 mid driver on Altec 511B horn
- JBL 2404 tweeter
- Werner Jagusch crossovers
TV SYSTEM
Preamp: Rotel RC-972
DAC: Rotel rdp-980
CD player: Rotel rdd-980
Power amps: Rotel RMB-100 monoblocks
Speakers: Jbl 4530 + JBL 2426J on 2370A horn
DJ CONSOLLE
- Technics SL-1200 mk2
- Technics SL-DZ1200 cd player
- Allen & Heath Xone 23 mixer
Complimenti davvero! 😄🇮🇹
Great system! What are you collecting/listening too/Dj’ing?
Sick ass system!!
Stunning mate... You've created a very special room..thanks for sharing :D
Steve,
I would to thank you for all that you do for the average Audiophile, you give honest and experienced opinions that are very helpful to me in my journey.
Jeff
The one crux of Steve's reviews appears to be just what sounded best with his stuff. Now ... that ... is telling. The Source Point 8 sounded bigger with my stuff. But if you change and input source you know, everything changes. But what we needs is the best possible electrical match for each speaker and then comparing them side by side with not the same source, but the same CD or record played on ideal source equipment and then ... say well, that system was not as good as this system.
@@keplermissionI'd argue it's more room difference than anything
The Audiophiliac system of the day.. Holy S**t. I love that room. So much good audio gear.
That cd deck alone is killer
Interesting review Steve! If I wasn't retired and on Social Security I'd buy a pair. However, being relegated to DIY at this stage of my life, I'm more inclined to spend my money on a pair of 10" RADIAN 5210Be coaxials and build my own cabinets using the Nelson Pass designed 6-24 crossover from the diyaudio store. The hardest decision will be which amp to use to power them, a J2 or SIT2!
I like your plan!
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner comes to mind. The mail order contraptions that never work as hoped
@@keplermission I started diy'ing hifi because a lot of commercial components don't deliver, break, and/or offer terrible value for money. Like if Coyote stopped buying acme crap and built his own traps:)
@@peterlarkin762 The Douk Audio ST-01 is Amazon's take on the Dayton Audio HTA 100 BTA. In the movie Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood, they mention 'The Duck of Death', Douk, Douk of death.
Without taking anything away from your reviews, I do think that your music recommendations are absolutely on point I discovered so much quality music following this channel 🙏🏻
Thank you Steve! Another excellent review. I learn a lot from all of your reviews, but just have to tell you what I love most about your channel is the music you share that you’re using to compare/evaluate different components. I find myself snapping a pic of the album cover so I can go back and listen later. I have expanded my playlist dramatically thanks to your reviews. Look forward to you next one!
Will be interesting to compare SP 8 with Zu DW6 and on the same price range Klipsch Heresy IV
Thanks for the review
2 of the other speakers Steve runs the comparison against are half the price of the SourcePoint 8's.
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I know right. Been a Patreon for years
I have the s400. You mentioned the bass, but what about comparisons between the highs and midrange?
Thanks steve
Excellent! I was wondering if that was the SP8 behind you, recently!
A fascinating standout viewer system!
The Technics broadcast CD player is just superb ...
Late 80's Tour de force!
Thanks Steve, love you man. Enjoyed this one. It's always cool to see what Andrew is up to. Thanks for the heads up on scammers.
Great review - thank you, Steve! Fantastic T-shirt, by the way!
Always a mature review................. thanks
Waiting for the Point 6.......excellent review.......Aloha
I wish you told us why you preferred the 8" over the 10" model.
If you could do a video comparing Elac uni-fi Reference, LS-50 Meta, and Buchart…that would be a good one.
Nope. Just buy them and compare them yourself.
@@keplermission thanks Steve
@@seanb3303 You know ... I have two systems I've compared for years and you know, I mean you really you should buy all these things and just compare them yourself with different sources and in different systems. A speaker might take years to sound good because you have the wrong source or amplifier. Now what good is there of Steve reviewing your choice of affordable dainties?
@@keplermission I definitely have zero interest in your opinion my friend 😉
@@seanb3303 Zero funds too. Very sad. 🤕
Awesome speaker comparison, Steve!!
There is something about the 8" size for monitors , mids , thats why spendor, harbeth....choose it ...even in high efficiency..its the lowther size...fane studio 8m....❤
Nice review, thank you. And fantastic t-shirt! I’d be curious to know what they had to pay in licensing fees!?!
I really don't get these comparisons, specially the Elac's one. The price difference is huge! They're both Andrew Jone's designs but very different speakers. If the elacs were even close to the mofis, now that would be something to report.
Steve wanted to congratulate Andrew I guess. I have the Uni-Fi Reference, less than 1/2 in price. Very happy with these for my room and needs.
@@1Hiprascal i also have them and am happy with them. I just think the comparison doesn't maky any sense and it doesn't add anything. The one with the bigger model within the same brand and range does for example, specially because Steve thinks this one's better and that's something one's not expecting.
The real determining factor for all of these is the size of room you will be using them in. Interesting that Steve never really touches on this - for e.g., the Metas in a small room would be the better choice over either of the Point Source speakers. The Point Source 10 would be the better choice over the Source Point 8 in a large room. Also, the KEF R3 Meta would be the logical competitor to the Source Point 8, so why no comparison? Agree though that those stands are hideous.
No the smaller diameter of any speaker the wider the dispersion and the Source Point 10 is going to have poorer dispersion but you know, is the 10's x-over point lower? You know ... how good a designer is Old Bones?
Peep the Prince Sign O The Times box set in the VSotD!
You mentioned that the Mofi Sourcepoint 8 (2way with 8 inch nominal diameter midwoofer) are $3.0k/pair with stands, which is pricing very similar to KEF R3 Meta (3way with 6.5 inch nominal diameter woofer) priced at $2.2k/pair and matching KEF S3 stands priced at $0.7k/pair (S3 stands seem overpriced to me, for what they are), for $2.9k total. That may be a better comparison than the significantly smaller and less expensive KEF LS50 Meta (2way with 5.25 inch nominal diameter midwoofer) priced at $1.6k/pair plus the matching KEF S2 stands priced at $0.45k/pair, for $2.05k total.
Why uses decimals for 1000's? Type $700 like a normal functioning adult.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775Maybe in your country. Everything in his comment is using 1000 as reference. Looks logical to me.
@@hopje01 there is no country that uses a decimal based system for every 1000 of a currency. We switch to 1k, 2k, etc *because the number becomes larger and larger to write* . $0.7k is longer than $700.
@@hopje01 nobody types something like $0.7k unless they are deeply autistic.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 Yes because individuality is completely verboten in a Fascist society right?
Grow up pal. Let it go. And MYOB! ✌️
Great recording. Anna has a Kate Bush-esq sound to her vocals.
Hey Steve. How about a show where you go back and revisit some of the people you've interviewed? Like Joe the cop for instance. Any system updates? And that sorta thing. Could even just have them film it themselves, instead of you having to go to each place.
Just a thought. ✌️
Love the look of the thing.
Why your my favorite. Never a bad word. But insight. 😊
I've been so happy with the SL 1200 and it's paid for now....next.... I kept a old SLQ 300 for the basement and also got rid of the beloved TD 160
Saying any bad word against any product would be like shooting yourself in the foot.
New to the channel! Feel im about to fall into audio event horizon!
Welcome!
It’s interesting how much reviewers like the KEF Metas. I really disliked them. I ended up with Revel Performa 3 106s, which don’t get a lot of attention from reviewers.
Steve, love all your reviews. I like the SourcePoint 8 comparison with other speakers, especially the ELAC, but was wondering why not compare with a larger ELAC, Andrew Jones-designed speaker, specifically the Carina line, for which there are inexplicably few reviews? Also, would you use a subwoofer with the SourcePoint 8? Thanks!
Daniele's system (that I confused with Daniella) calls for an interview. It's too cool
It's Daniele 😂
Next level innit!
@@sitomdd then Daniele
@@EMP698 You can edit your OP you know? Also in case you aren’t aware. Daniele and @sitopiazza are the same guy.
HIFI Klubben in Sweden sell MoFi. I think i have to listen to these speakers.
SourcePoint 10’s are remarkable!
I have the stands for that speaker. It would be great to have also the speakers.
Given these are made in China of not terribly exotic materials, I think there is an “Andrew Jones tax” of about $1k on each pair, a point you bring out in your compare to the lintons. I’m personally suspicious of Mofi who made its rep in another area, proceeded to squander that rep, and then moved into outsourced manufacturing with hired gun “name” designers. The whole idea seems like more a of a business proposition than a passion for audio.
Andrew Jones has no loyalty to any company. Offer any kind of money and he'll jump ship gladly.
Then don’t buy it
Jog on
@@fakeklg An intent to buy the product under review is not a prerequisite for commenting.
@@edd2771 fantastic
That’s nice
👍
@@fakeklg No worries there.
very nice speaker indeed
they should think to a bass box to make a 2 boxes system really full range and very dynamic 😮❤
When I heard the 8's at Axpona this April my immediate impression was that it was a better listen than the 10. Did AJ use better XO parts
or improve the bracing? Or use a different supplier for his woofer?
Not that I know of, of course everything else makes a difference: the room, the electronics, your listening position, your mood, etc.
I never thought I would experience the day when Steve would wear a t-shirt with Misfits and Discharge.
The time has come today!
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac ^ The Chambers Brothers ( 👏👏)
I wonder whether the Mofi 8 stands would look better in black? At least there are plenty of other stands that would work with the 8 as they are a fairly conventional size.
White was all they had in stock when the speakers were shipped to me. I'm sure black would be nicer.
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Black definitely would be nicer. And on top of that, Steven, if you turn them right side up, they'll be even better looking. Seriously, I just checked their website, seems to me that you have them facing the wrong way forward :D
Why not compare the KEF R3 Meta to the source point 8. Don't you think it would be more fair?
It would be, if I had one here to compare!
that was a very wide grin when posing with the speaker!
who was taking the picture, inquisitive minds ask :D
Mrs Audiophiliac
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac ❤
Steve: Minor criticism: "Va-Va-Voom" should actually be "Va-Va-Va-Voom. Beyond that, nothing else to say.
Joel
But what about to the 1.7i? Less money!
OMG you finally pronounced Buchardt correctly in the beginning 🥹 and then wrong again at the end 😆
i don't believe how they sounded using different amplifiers, was curious how they sounds using the Schiit Vidar II.
Wish you would compare to the Hsu CCB-8 point source speaker. I will be willing to bet money this high price speaker is not any better. I'm sure it looks better; but it doesn't look $2000.00 more better. People will pay all that money because if you price something high it's got to be better.
No seeing the SourcePoint 10 or 8. Gym equipment stand, so not premium. At my dealer the 10 was picky on placement, toe-in, etc and passed on the 8. Not impressed with this line.
How about comparing to the Tannoy 8 inch
Nice to get a great view on the source point 8 , thanks!!
The woofer size changes things a lot.
Our illustrious designer must have felt the 8 was special to have offered it. Less mass, probably, so it can render sound a bit faster and more accurately?!
And it’s friendlier to purchase🙏 not easy perhaps, but for the sound quality seems like a great value.
Stand’s don’t bug me, but maybe you can wrap a nice skirt around the base 😂
Not too nice tho, or the speaker will look less pleasing 😂
Great review!
I bet the stands look much better in black vs white. The white makes them stand out more.
Are you using a Pass Preamp with the Vidar?
Pass HPA 1
Call me crazy, but I'd like a 3-way tower version with a 8" woofer to do the heavy lifting.
The Sourcepoint 888 has been announced, questioned and answered lol.
Arcade Fire is awesome🎉
Yeah, those stands are horrid. I'd just get some other stands, honestly. But I think I'll stick with Dirty Weekend DW6.
Any thoughts on why such a big difference in the sensitivity? The crossover?
Smaller speakers are usually lower sensitivity than larger speakers.
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Higher sensitivity in the larger diameter but smoke and mirrors because the inertia point is lower in the smaller diameter. What does it mean? Well the Damping Factor and power of the three amplifiers Steve used for the Mo-Fi 8 probably suit it better than what he'd used for the Mo-Fi 10. The question would be whether the 10 is capable of sounding as good as the 8? That' questionable, it has 40 watts more handling than the 8 and despite higher sensitivity its inertia point is higher. Steve is not really being exhaustive in testing.
@@keplermission No he’s doing subjective listening tests. The way most people buy speakers. Some of us actually only care about how they sound, and not how great the measurements are.
And not everyone is going to go through the process of learning the acoustics of their room, and learning loudspeaker design, etc. In fact most are not.
So you’re basically asking him to cater to a much smaller audience of measurement inclined people. Which is horrible advice for his career. There’s already people on here that do that sort of thing anyway. Erin’s Audio Corner is where you should check out for that type of content. ✌️
@@amb3cog You know NEC of Japan put the IFCAT system in their amplifiers to cope with higher speaker sensitivity's extra big back e.m.f. and that was with a 91.5db SPL, 8 ohm. You see higher sensitivity speakers need amplifiers designed to cope with back emf and medium sensitivity speakers despite their lower inertia still need more current and usually have a round transformer to supply it. I mean subjective listening tests you know, has to be qualified into classes of speaker and amplifier because what sound bad with your connected stuff may in fact be good with the manufacturer's intended equipment. You know?
Can the Unifi Reference be compared to the S400 or it would be an apples to oranges situation?
I'll just say this, the S 400 is a better, more complete sounding speaker. Or another way of saying it the reference sounds undernourished by comparison.
4dB is more than double loud. dB is logarithmic scale. 3dB is approximately double.
to be accurate 3db is twice as loud in the bass, especially the deep bass and the tactile part. 10 db is double the other part of the frequency range.
No ... no ... it's smoke and mirrors, it's best to measure with your own Sound Pressure Level meter just exactly what each speaker is giving at a certain volume. No.
@@keplermission What’s smoke and mirrors? General guidelines? Are you high? They’re called “general” for a reason. You haven’t found some source of information the rest of us don’t have friend. You’re simply just failing to understand how things actually work, and are full of hubris. ✌️
Can someone here help me with the organ album? By Anna von Who...? Album title? Thanks.
Not Anna Lapwood, the TicToc organist who does the midnight concerts at Royal Albert Hall.
It would be great if Steve could list albums in print in video details.
BTW, Reference Recordings has at least three dynamite organ recordings by Kraybill (2) and Draagen.
Anna Von Hausswolff Ceremony
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Quick service, Thanks Steve.
I just don't "get" purchasing 'well-reviewed' speakers and then needing to purchase a sub-woofer to have quality fidelity? It makes no sense to me. When I assess a speaker, I want its bass response to be sufficient and deeply pleasing. It's doable! Currently I love the full-bodied sound from my Tannoy Revolution XT-8F towers. You can purchase for $2400, don't need to make additional purchases of stands and sub.
Because we’re not all in the same size room. I can’t do big towers for instance. They’ll boom. And because stand mounts and subs have better bass overall. Which means better everything. Except for scale and dynamics. But they’re much better at imaging, and soundstage. And just present the music in a much tighter way. Pick your poison. ✌️
@@amb3cog Thanks for the reply. I guess...pick your poison? My Tannoy's (in combination with my Rogue Audio Sphinx V3 hybrid tube/integrated) amp have great imaging and soundstage. Although, I believe you're correct about the room. I'm blessed to have a nice big rectangular room. I believe that the room is actually the most significant part of a "sound system".
@@zizendorf It’s just an expression. I think you’re looking too far into it. There was no alternative meaning or anything other than pick what works for you. They’re choices. And they’re designed to be appealing to all customers. Which one product has trouble doing. Even Apple had to break down and admit that themselves. So they released different size phones. These companies are trying to make money. So they give the consumers what they want, and many people prefer stand mounted speakers. While many prefer floor mounted. Hence both. Take your pick. ✌️
I would love subs and large bookshelves, but I don't have the space or the budget... Towers are excellent value in this regard, and it really depends on the room. Boomy towers are often helped by cushions against the back wall, distance from wall and placing them on pucks, granite or thick MDF.
@@peterlarkin762 Agreed! With my room's size and configuration, I love that I've got the space to have my towers a full 3 feet away from the back and side walls. It makes a huge difference. As a result, my Tannoy's don't need a sub-woofer.
Stand would look better black.
I'd be curious to hear these but yes, aesthetically speaking, everything about these speakers (and stands) are fugly.
They do. I have the speakers and stands. They aren’t beautiful but the white is hideous.
What preamp/s did you use?
Pass HPA 1 and LTA ZOTL
What about the ELAC Vela BS 403 comparison?
Huh? He has to have the speaker to compare it. Heck he has to hear it to compare it. Has he even heard that speaker? And if so when? Two years ago? Our acoustic memory is horrible. He can’t compare everything basically. Simple as that really. ✌️
@@amb3cog an Andrew Jones design wirh similar pricing...oh well
@@joeldavis4766 Not trying to be rude. But, are you intellectually challenged? This isn't rocket surgery. It's very simple. To compare two things he has to hear them both, and he hasn't. So he can't possibly compare them. End of story. ✌️
Almost 3x price of ELAC, thus not really a fair comparison.
Differentiate loud by db?
90 dB
Again with the LS50?
It's a super popular speaker, so it's relatable by a lot of my viewers. .
Im guessing these suffer similar issues as the duel concentric tannoys? I.e. a tad bright when on axis.
All concentric driver speakers are designed to be listened off axis. I forget the exact reason. But it’s due to the design. Erin from Erin’s Audio Corner explains this in his videos. I recommend you have a look. You’ll understand this all a lot better after doing so. ✌️
@@amb3cog diffraction where the tweeter waveguide meets the woofer. 10 degrees off axis is perfect for these, as per Erin's measurements.
If you had the select one speaker.. which would it be among what you have compared out of the group.
Steve, I love most of your reviews but not so much this speaker review. The comparison speakers didn't seem all that equal (eq. woofer and box size) and you mostly focused on bottom end not considering highs and midrange and most of all how easy they are to listen to for a long session (admission: I have the Buchardts MKII which I love). Rest assured, you have not lost me as a fan, I just didn't get too much from this review.
Sorry you feel that way! I did not have any other $3000 speakers of the same size as the sourcepoint 8.
amazing video...thanks!
Hi, Steve.
A question. What is the difference between Tannoy, Kef Uni Q and MoFi?
All have a treble in the middle of the bass/mid register. There are probably a few more that have the same construction. Shouldn't they all sound about the same?
Good question. I will pose one answer on behalf of a small percentage of the population. I have KEF LS50 and Tannoy Cheviots. I never liked the sound of any 3-way tower speaker I ever heard (except my old Allison Three's) -- I owned 4 and listened to dozens. They sound disjointed, abrasive. My ear doc said I am probably one of the few people who are ultra-sensitive to timing and phase errors inherent in 3-way towers. As soon as I listened to point source (or dual concentric), my problem was immediately solved. It made a HUGE difference to my ears. Point source speakers eliminate certain frequency interference problems near the crossover point, because regular speakers have different drivers playing the same frequencies but are different distances from your ears.. There are more and more concentric speakers being developed. Zu in Utah. Spatial Audio. Cabasse, etc, etc. For floor standers, Tannoy are the best followed by Zu. KEF is good for stand speakers.
Differences in crossover and cabinet design will produce different sound. And the drivers may be similar in type doesn't mean they sound the same. After all, not all 6 inch cone woofers sound alike!
@@HAL9007how do you like the Cheviots? How do they compare to the LS50? Warmer?
Designer Andrew Jones explains that he went for 8" or 10" to be able to reduce excursion (which was important because the woofer is behaving as a waveguide for the tweeter in the middle).
@@syr1964 In my setup the LS50W's sound brutally honest, they reveal every detail and imperfection, so you need good sources. They also image like banshees. The Cheviots are my faves -- dynamic, warmish, lush, detailed -- like playing a good analog system. I have really good sources and electronics for it -- Sonore and PS Audio.This setup sounds as good as any TT system I've heard. I play both speakers with subwoofer -- KC62 for the LS50W's and REL T/7i for the Cheviots -- they make a big diff.
Anna Von Hausswolff Ceremony Crazy Babylon Mamon children of darkness
You are not comparing apple to apple
I didn't have any speakers that would directly compare. Please understand, that other manufacturers will not spend a lot of money to send me speakers for comparison purposes.
I'd like to see Andrew bring out a slightly smaller speaker that won't be compromised closer to the wall and fully active. 🙂
Almost nothing sounds good near a wall. Have a male friend talk with his back up against the wall, and then have them move two feet away from the wall and continue talking, then 3 feet away from the wall. The wall is a gigantic reflector that's interfering with the direct sound of the male voice. Same problem with audio speakers.
i want bigger speakers not smaller speakers. Now if someone could invent a driver that's say 15" or larger that can somehow operate full range like a scaled up headphone driver, THAT would be sick! unfortunately I don't think physics is our friend here :(
Sturdy Steel Stand
Sturdy Steel Stand
Etc 😂
4g+ to bring it into Canada lmao! That`s hard no.
So the speaker that cost twice as much is better,
Shocker
I hope they come out with a 6".
why would you want a tiny pathetic speaker, no thanks. even crossing at 80hz to a sub, that thing is going to have a lot of excursion at only 6" if you like to turn it up even a bit or listen to bass heavy music. you'll lose efficiency and have to pad the tweeter more. just all around an inferior idea.
@@Artcore103 They are called desktop speakers, and they are used by millions of people. There's virtually no excursion to speak of at the volume levels I tend to listen to. Small speakers are perfectly capable of good mid, and high range.
@@dieselphiend desktop/near-field use, sure. Living room nah, which is how most are using small bookshelf speakers, foolishly.
The ugly white stands look like they were made from gym equipment.
I would not consider anything from MoFi no matter where it came from or how good, why would anyone associate with this company.
Well, that your choice. But since people bought German and Japanese cars after the Second World War I figured it was OK for folks to judge the SourcePoint 8 on its own merits.
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac I'm not judging the speaker only joining Mo-Fi company
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac And that went right over his head it seems. Oh well. ✌️
Lol.... the stands are pretty ugly🤢
Reminds me of watching a renovation (competition) show when the contestants have run out of money and are looking in thrift shops and verge throughouts......
Look honey, we can use those plant pot stands for the speakers🙄
SCAM! - if in doubt, simply ask for a picture of their closet... you'll have no doubt whether or not it's the REAL Steve 👕 😄
I dont use so called banana connections to The The speakers. Its to risky to first connet The speaker cable with bananas to The RECIEVER but but not banana conectors in the other end och The speakercable because of The risk that those ananas may Touch each other and BURN The recievers. That deadly risk is NOT ACC3PTABLE. So The so called bandana plugs neeeds to be redesigned so there is a kind of tube ober The metall sticks that makes is IMPOSSIBLE to Touch each other and that The sludes back and expose The metall tips when you slide them into The The conectors. Should have been done maaany years ago.
Maybe leave the power off until things are connected?
@@louiesipes2257 thats NOT The anser. Its risk asses ment. Accidents will allways appen. Of course everybody Would do to turn The power of normally but accidents happends 3veryday when People for some reason forget best PRAXIS. I am talking about risks. A risk has Two parts. Part 1 is The probability that an accidents happends and part 2 is The concequence of The defined accident. So Risk = probability that The accident happends * (* stands for combined). So a Risk can become to High to accept in three ways 1. The probability for The accident shall happends are verry High and The consequences is not low. 2. The probability is not low and The consequences is High. 3. Both the probability for The accident are High and The consequence is High. And in this case The consquence are almost maximal (even death of The operator!). So there are EVERY REASON to redesign The plug and make safe. The way you argue can be fatal. So even if mostly there are a way for The user to operate to make The operation safe has NEVER stoped The engineer to build in safety function in electronics if any such function is possible to create. And without them many thousand operators during histiry Would have died totally in vain.
@@per-henrikpersson1884 A book to describe stupidity.
Louie! I bought these at Axpona. Steve’s right. They’re really good.
@@stevezeidman7224 Hi Steve! I knew you did…..so you’re tickled with them? I’m looking sideways at them😊 I may end up witha pair
those have to be ugliest speaker stands I have seen this year
Last year's ugly winner?
Do a 12"
those stands are an odd choice, maybe they had a pile of them in the warehouse that needed to be unloaded. at least they only value them at $250 😀
Well you know, Steve didn't try wrapping them with a sheet and telling us if the speakers sounded any different. I mean if you have to shift a product ... give it a helping hand and I thought Steve never gave negative reviews? Well there you are.
@@keplermission Thanks for watching!
I'd paint those stands black ASAP.
@@pnichols6500Agree…I’m sure the black versions would look a bit better.