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I agree Not to mention her dad was a famous athlete. It she stayed involved in thr karate war and word got out, that might have given him some bad rep.
And it's kinda blurry when it shows those girls, but if I'm thinking about it right, those were all of.the new girls who join Cobra Kai. That's pretty interesting, that Piper and 3 other women join because they're all in their own friend circle..
After seeing everyone's reaction to Sam standing up to Tory at the end being the same here for the umpteenth time, I feel like the show should've put more emphasis on the fact that the lesson she learned from Aisha was "it's okay to do things Johnny's way", which she did here.
Yeah problem is striking first doesn't always mean negatively, Johnny used the striking first lesson multiple times to do positive things, aggressive friendship is a thing XD
Tory uses deadly weapons and breaks into peoples houses by throwing kids through windows but shows character development. Sam was a victim who cant get over trauma which is the source of her anger. It's especially hard to get over the trauma when everyone's forgiving the aggressor
Yeah, I'm a STRONG believer that people can change and everyone deserves forgiveness. But I also believe it's foolish to think that everyone will just accept an apology and move on THAT easily. After Tory scarred Sam with the spikes, we saw Sam struggling with PTSD for a whole season, and then she got ambushed by Tory AGAIN with ANOTHER weapon! Tory wasn't just trying to get revenge, she was willing to kill her
Plus if I'm thinking this correctly, it was two attempts to kill Sam in only 5 months, one at the end of August for school returns, and one before Christmas. These 4 seasons take place in little over a year. THAT sort of trauma, and the possibility of Sam forgiving Tory? Of course it's gonna need MORE time than that. But at least now that concept is POSSIBLE compared to before
@@brevonmckinney2537 Honestly, I think the was Kyler who threw Bert. He's like the tallest guy who was in that fight and he easily seems like THAT kind of a bully
Season 1 finale: Tori takes over the school speaker. "I'm coming for you bitch" just before the she started the all out war. season 4 : Sam. "I'm coming for you, bitch". She's taking control. She may be scared but is fronting Tori and striking first, she's not going to feel threatened anymore, and Tori's presence in her home and now her school is a threat to her. The girl who left scars on her is now in her home. I rewatched that S1 fight today and it's crazy. I don't know where Tori would have stopped, there was no off switch that I could see, I felt Sam was in real danger of being killed because Tori was just out for revenge and blinded. I love that Amanda is helping her, being shown a kindest by someone who isn't out to use her in some adults weird grudge match must feel very different. Having already watched it, I'm intrigued to see where she goes from here
Sam is a person who was assaulted with a deadly weapon that left her bleeding and scarred, causing her severe PTSD, then had the same person lead a home invasion of her house and attacked her with nunchucks. Now everyone is insisting she forgive her and go to school with her. She feels powerless, so she is trying to take control of their dynamic. Her last line to Tony is what Tory said to her before she first attacked her.
Yeah I get all of that but what still doesn't make sense to me is how can Daniel and Amanda talk about Sam having scars for the rest of her life but doesn't even decide to least take her to a therapist but when Tory comes to Amanda she quickly recommends Tory going to a therapist like I honestly don't understand like you're complaining about you're daughter being traumatized but don't even try to take her to therapy that alone just makes me annoyed with Sam's whole PTSD story like if Amanda sees that Tory is the way she is because of the stress and pressure that she has of taking care of her whole family then she never thought that Sam might be that way at all yeah no doesn't seem legit there's plot hole in my opinion
@@Billyregin isn't 'like' a word or are those you kinda people that have nothing to say towards the actual comment so try and make a conversation about the person grammar, vocabulary and typing errors people like you are so annoying gosh you could have said anything but that but I guess you didn't so wanted try and seem relevant by making an unnecessary comment but I hope me replying actually made you feel relevant
I feel like at some point they said he's dead meat and it may have gone from there. Then the whole dick cast thing happened and he gets a reputation for being hung like bull. 😂
It takes a lot of equivocating to conclude that Johnny and Tory are not the bullies. Johnny was trying to force a girl to speak to him, was withholding her property and Daniel tried to talk him down. Johnny shoved him into the sand by bashing a radio into his chest. Daniel jabbed him and then Daniel tried to squash it. Johnny kicked him repeatedly and that’s how that started. Then the Cobra Kai’s run him off the road and destroy his bike. And I honestly think it’s hysterical that Daniel gets called the bad guy for dousing them with water, but we NEVER bring up that even Johnny’s other Cobra’s were telling him enough when he was beating Daniel for it. We’re just equalizing physical violence with dousing of water, and this is the crap that leads to ppl being unironic fans of Homelander. Tory attacked Sam with weapons, broke into her home with a karate gang. I don’t care if Sam shows up and heckles her at every job she ever has. Tory is the aggressor. Was it right for Sam to accuse her of stealing the wallet just cause she stole some vodka? Nope. Was it right that she kissed Miguel? Nope. Still not an excuse for assault with a deadly weapon. Danny and Sam are dumb teenagers who make mistakes. Johnny and Tory were/are bullies. My apologies to Bernie, cuz I think he’s funny, but just no.
I'm not saying Sam is in the right, but I don't think her reactions are unjustified. Sure, many things in life would be so much better if people thought about things purely using logic rather than emotions, but I imagine it would make for a rather shit tv show.
And realistically, if you go through the same trauma that Sam went through because of Tory, it's gonna take some.time to get over that. But ALSO, Sam went through an entire season of struggling with her fear and trauma rather than confronting Tory and asserting herself, not until.the season finale. And now when she's finding the strength to do that, Tory's on another arc of redemption.
18:03 Close! Daniel did get in the fighting pose and then Johnny was like “oh you want to fight”, not verbatim, and Johnny ended up kicking Daniel. Then when Daniel was down Johnny walked up to him saying he was done and then said “how about you hero?”, not verbatim, and that’s when Daniel sucker punched him. So technically, Johnny started that fight. Daniel getting between Ali and Johnny isn’t starting a fight, it’s just butting into other peoples business.
I really liked that movie “Sidekick”! Sad that the main actor died years ago. We don’t really see Johnny teaching the kids anything new here, same with Daniel; while we see Cobra Kai learning multiple new things. This is the season of Cobra Kai from what we see
I think since we're the viewers we get to see the context behind everything and everyone's lives where as Sam only has known Tory as a very dangerous and unstable person who assaulted her with a weapon, broke into her home, etc. It's easy for us to sympathize with Tory because we know her story, but why should Sam care regardless? She's a teenager who's been assaulted and traumatized by someone, her behavior is pretty justified imo.
Here’s the thing about Sam that I understand. Tory started a karate riot in the school and straight up attacked her and injured her…even though Robby was the one that kicked Miguel off the balcony, Tory started the fight that led to that.
I don't understand why Eric doesn't support Sam, Tory literally tried to KILL her more than once, broke into her house, etc. and expect them to be friends after that?
She literally did exactly what Johnny taught. Strike First. She set the terms with Tory after months and months of taking shit from her. Neither are completely in the right but seeing Sam get shat on constantly for being just as flawed as everyone else on this show is baffling.
@@Billyregin and if I'm thinking this correctly, those two attempts happened within 4 or 5 months. The end of August for school returns, and the end of December, before Christmas day
I'm genuinely curious, was that last scene with Sam supposed to represent her listening to Aishas advice and confronting her problems (Tory coming back to school) head on or was it supposed to be how I took it as Sam just waiting for Tory to screw up while she instigates things?
I took it as Sam was still scared about Tory coming back to school. That's why she feels she didn't have control. Aisha told her how she took back control by being kind. Sam compromised between that idea and lashing out with violence. She wants Tory to be scared of her, that's how she gets control. I honestly don't get all the Sam hate this season. She is over aggressive for sure, and the ideas aren't executed perfectly. But sometimes it feels like she can't get away with nearly as much as Hawk got away with and still have the love of the audience.
@@mlgnerd13 I see. I like the compromise idea, makes sense with Sams character this season. I felt that by this season people want to watch the story progress even more than before. So every time we see Sam in a similar confrontation to Hawk we want her to come to some common ground with someone like Tory for the sake of the story progression, not necesarilly a resolution between them. I think with Hawk, his actions were a change to whatever was before so it moved the story at that point but now they expect the same from Sam even though her character growth seems to be starting more this season. I like what they did with their characters this season overall. A fun season.
@@jaze877 It's fair to expect growth from the characters. The thing is, the show has been completely focused on this Karate war since the season 2 finale. Without it, I don't know what the story would be. If we resolved the strongest rivalry from that fight now, there wouldn't be much reason for the fight
@@mlgnerd13 Totally agree, I just wrote what I believe others who hate Sam right now are thinking. I still believe there's a lot more that needs to happen between characters like Sam and Tory for it to be a satisfying resolution, if one even happens. I mean we're still working with Johnny and Daniels relationship lol.
17:11 What are you talking about Aaron? Johnny instigated most of the fights with Larusso in karate kid. Larusso instigates 1 confrontation and then suddenly Larusso the bad guy? That makes no sense
I feel like people misremember a lot of the Karate Kid lmao. Johnny and his friends got Daniel kicked out of soccer tryouts and then ran him of a hill before the Halloween incident. The water hose thing was Daniel trying to get them back, which was a bad idea, but just because they hadn’t messed with him in a while doesn’t mean they never would again.
I even have reservations that Daniel started any of them. The hose he was getting back for the beach. Johnny pushed him before Johnny got sucker punched. Which is never mentioned.
I mean I'll tell you something. As a woman if my ex boyfriend started harassing me and breaking my stuff, someone better step in and help if they think I'm gonna show interest in them. Daniel defending Ali made me love him even more. He's the hero.
@@filmfangirls9163 Yes but no one is the bad guy in their life’s story. He was trying to make up with his girlfriend (he failed) and then some kid you don’t know steps up to you. He knows karate and held back literally saying sit down kid after pushing him down in the sand. And then Daniel hit him! He more than struck back but in his mind he was defending his honor in front of his friends. Mike Barnes is a bully. Johnny was a young boy taught by a maniac. He was good at heart which Ali even talked about. He let his trauma mold who he became for better and for worse his whole life. But that’s just my opinion I guess. I don’t really view either as the bad guy. They were young boys fighting over a girl neither would keep. It was dumb and so were they. And sometimes they still are a bit thick headed. It was good Daniel was able to stand up for himself but that was his issue. It wasn’t about Johnny. It was about life and being new and fitting in. It was all that wrapped in karate. And to prove he was never a bully he eventually turns into a victim needing to be saved both physically and mentally but Myiagi only defends the boys physical. I think THATS what Karate Kid 2 should have been. Having them train Johnny but then that would erase this whole show which I couldn’t bear. But hey some alt universe lol 😝
Am I the only one who’s been on sams side basically the entire time. IMO Sam Robby Miguel and Demetri are the characters that have basically never been wrong Robby and Miguel both fucked up once tho. I don’t blame robby for the accident cuz it wasn’t on purpose but he should’ve apologized and made sure Miguel was okay. Also it doesn’t really make sense why he hates Daniel. Yeah he should hate Sam she cheated on him (guess that’s the one time I disagreed with Sam) Yeah he should hate Johnny he was an absent father, maybe he should hate Miguel idk. I guess drunk Miguel was his first impression of him and since he hit Sam he prolly thought Miguel was an asshole for a long time and prolly still does think that. And also I think part of it is pent up anger over feeling like he’s been replaced by his father. But Daniel literally chose the best option for Robby. Tf did Robby think he was gonna do be a fugitive for the rest of his life? He was only in “jail” for like less than a month prolly. And Miguel was really rude to robby in the tournament in season 1 but he’s changed a lot since then so yeah. But I can’t remember a single time I disagreed with Demetri. Hawk was really my last favorite character in every season except this one. He was honestly maybe my favorite.
Alfred is pretty badass, cleans the huge mansion is like a sidekick to batman. Knows what's going on to give Bruce heads up. Is like a doctor that man wears many hats and gets so much work done. Is he related to the flash he has to be fast as hell for an older man. Fast as hell for a kid too.
Ahem. This thing on? Hem hem: TORY TRIED TO KILL HER. TWICE. Victims of violent crimes DO NOT OWE THEIR ATTACKERS Jack shit. Sam allowed her to go back to school, then said "I'm not scared of you" and "stay away from me." What is cringey about that? Did you want her to throw her a fucking tea party? I get what the show is trying to do, but the show went too far in what it allowed Tory to get away with for this "both sides" bullshit to land completely. Which is fine; I like that they humanize Tory and showcase all of the LaRusso's faults, but to take that to mean that Sam is in the wrong for her reaction here is insane. Everyone discussing this keeps conflating "who started it?" and "what is a proportionate or acceptable response?" Sam absolutely started it with Tory, and kept antagonizing instead of mending fences, sure. Literally none of what she has done, however, even remotely excuses Tory doing a karate school-shooting, taking a bladed weapon with the intent to strike her face, or leading a home invasion that culminated in assault with a deadly weapon. Daniel "started it" with the water hose in that instance, fine, but is an acceptable response to that giving him a 5-on-1 beating that even Tommy was trying to stop after it got excessive? Daniel may or may not have started it on the beach, if you want to be generous to Johnny, but is a proportionate response to that RUNNING HIM OFF OF A CLIFF? If you want to say that she should learn to move on for her own spiritual well-being or whatever, fine, but arguing that Sam is wrong for not making peace with someone who traumatized her is some absolute bullshit.
Except that's not what Sam meant. Sam is gonna be gunning for Tory and is gonna actively looking for anyway to put her down. She instigates with Tory even after this episode. Nobody is excusing Tory's behavior, they just aren't gonna tolerate Sam's either. At least Tory faces meaningful consequences for her actions and learns from them. Sam got PTSD from the school fight, but she got over it and STILL wants to cause problems. For someone who doesn't want to go to school with Tory and risk getting hurt, she sure does like to make fun of her and threaten her.
@@6ixur541 No sam doesn't antagonize her much after this... And just as much as people are ok with kenny beating his bullies actively, sam being antagonizing to Tory isn't something that is cringe or undeserve. Also if you have seen the whole thing you know sam still has PTSD and it's the main reason the finale fight goes the way it does lol. So yeah each character has flaws but a lot of things that are happening are not unwarranted.
Bruh..., this is Cobra Kai and not real life. And i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, but that scene was cringey AF, i mean i get that Sam is supposed to be a traumatized teen who tried to look badass but she really just looked like a little child pretending to be tough there(and that's even with the context just cringey).
@@christophekanaa1104 PTSD has pretty much nothing to do with the Season 4 finale, and i'm not sure from where you're even getting that? SPOILER: Hell we literally had a Tory who was trying not to hurt Sam too much and avoiding any illegal moves in the finale, while Sam's biggest psychological battle was combining Miyagi Do with Cobra Kai/Eagle Fang, where exactly did you see PTSD playing much into anything there? And btw Sam straight up surprise attacked Tory at the party, i would say that's pretty antagonizing.
The scoring system of the boys and girls team versus the overall best team with the most points is the same thing in high school wrestling and Judo from me. I could be state champ in my weight class but another school might get more points and win overall best team.
I have had critiques of Tory in the past but man the story does so much to make us side with Tory. Alsi I'm glad Eli had that talk with Demetri, I finally see Eli becoming a better person finally.
@@Suowooo I think Tory has a problem with seeing the consequences of her actions and doesn't see how her actions can come back to bite her later. I also think she's too quick to anger even when someone hasn't even been really mean to her.
@Yafet Kibrom Oh, so we can throw reason out the window, except when it comes to specifically Sam's actions. Then apply all the reason we want. I wonder why you're ok with that. Even if I pretend that the giant cuts in her arm are "three little scratches", you saying that completely misses the point. What do you think would have happened to Sam if Tory landed that hit to her face? Just three little face scars? And she broke into her home. Tory has done everything in her power to make Sam feel unsafe. Also, the fact that you think Sam saying "I'm in control here, not you" is going apeshit says a lot about you. Where's the complaint about Robby cutting off Hawk's hair to break him down? Nothing to say to that? I guess some people can react in a certain way
I really enjoyed this season overall, but I will blame both director and writer for Sam's reception by the audience. I don't think they managed to make us understand her quite well; I think what they did with Daniel was better, because we trace his hot-headedness back to the movies, and his flaws are quite consistent. Although she is a teenager, and teenagers are dumb, some of the heels turns feel non-sensical, because we as the audience have some expectations in how the characters should be acting, or we have an "acceptable range" for it. I still like her tho, but I guess I'm in the minority. I think they did much better with Miguel in season 1 (and in this season as well), and they did better with Hawk. Anyway, hopefully, they get the hang of her next season. Edit: I also think they should have made at least one of Daniel's kids "better", with both of them acting badly thorough the season we just cannot believe that the household has been nurturing good lessons... Again, take Miguel as an example, even as a heel in season 1 we don't doubt he has a good heart, he is just misguided.
Yeah I agree, they should have focused a bit more on the fact that she's trying to regain control after her trauma, and that's why she keeps targeting Tory.
It's funny how folks forget Sam judged Tory as soon as she saw her and hated her every since. Then when Tory got street with her, "hey thats enough". I also find it funny that in real life there are folks who truly believe in hating wealthy people, like sam, who are watching this show and agreeing with her, knowing in real life they would be Tory, cause 'f the rich" right?. Not sam was always looking for a fight every time she saw her, oh yeah she was, even when she wasn't provoked.
Absolutely agree with you here. Every time Sam and Tory have their teenager drama face off, it just goes back to the first time they saw each other and how quickly Sam judged Tory at the moment...neither of them are being reasonable tho, I guess they are just being teenagers
@@sigmadonnie6081 I think it's reasonable to feel affronted by seeing your own mother helping a girl who, in the past *few months* has assaulted you with a weapon at your own school, leaving permanent scars and sending you to hospital, then invades your home and attacks you *again* with a weapon, and on top of that has yet to show a single scrap of remorse for her actions. But no, Tori's life at home sucks, she's excused from being held accountable for her traumatization of other children. Let's cut *her* some slack, while holding her victim to a much higher standard.
It's funny how people say that Sam "acted like Tory was a thief the minute she saw her". ...yeah, Tory WAS a thief, she had literally just shown them something she had just stolen, which was why Sam accused her of stealing.
@@Sesharon sure, Tory has no excuse for her behavior and scared another girl so deeply by her assault, Sam has every right to be angry at Tory and Amanda for helping this girl that has done so many terrible things to her, it’s understandable. It’s just very funny to see how a lot of people also use this as an excuse to condone Sam’s other behavior such as accusing someone for stealing something without having any actual proof of it. Her accusations at the time were based on her quick judgement and prejudice towards girl like Tory. I’m not saying Tory is not the one to blame for other things she has done, but it’s just funny to me that a lot of ppl clearly thinks the same way Sam does without even seeing Tory is definitely the one that stole Amanda’s wallet on screen. This is the incident that started the whole drama between them and happened way before Tory’s multiple assault on Sam, but audience see what they choose to see, so I think it’s funny.
Daniel and Johnny need a 3rd party to sit down and mediate them. Miguel and Sam could easily do this but we don’t see them talking about this at all like we did last season.
I'm honestly shocked by a lot of these comments. Yes, Sam is not the most amazing person. But if someone scarred me, tried to punch me in the face with a spiked bracelet, encouraged someone to break my friend's arm, and then broke into my house to attack me and my friends, I think I would have problems with them coming back to school. I'd be pissed, and I'd be scared. Especially since up until literally this episode, Tory has NEVER tried to take responsibility for her actions to Sam's face. She doesn't come to Amanda because she wants to make amends, she only does it because she needs their permission to get what she wants. I'm not even trying to say that this is what Tory deserves, but to make someone out to be the bad guy for doing whatever it takes to protect herself from someone who has proven to be a lethal threat is complete nonsense
@@samatar6852 Yes Tory is a proper psychopath, it frustrates me how people just easily forget that because of a nice redemption story. But like what Eric, me and a bunch of other people are saying, Sam's dialogue was cringe from a viewing perspective. It's not an issue within the show just the way she is like "IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT ME FUNNY", don't understand how you couldn't find it beyond cringe
@@krishcharan i don't really see what so "cringy" about her confronting her fear/bully after they return and telling her she's gonna kick her ass if she even thinks of trying something. Far more cornier things have been said in this show. Hawk has said way cringier shit in the past and he's a fan favorite lol.
@@samatar6852 Once again you're not paying attention to what I'm saying and you're just trying to reword the situation to invalidate someone else's opinion. Her confronting her fear/bully is not cringy, that is awesome. Her delivery and dialogue is cringey. Yes other corny things have been said in the show, no one is saying or acting like there hasn't.
Its weird...I see what they are trying to do with Sam, but for some reason it doesn't stick. My main problem is how she is written and not her character. It could have been an empowering scene, showing her stand up to her bully/abuser after the PTSD she felt last season, but it just falls flat. I would have preferred she came off as indifferent to Tori, while throwing in a line about how they weren't going to continue their back and forth because Sam is making her own rules as she said. Really hope they do better with her
dude she's been acting like that since forever with tory lol even episodes ago. I totally expected her to do something like this but she went way too far lol so i have no respect left for her
@@Takezo72 Way too far lmfao. By making an angry comment at school? But somehow you don't think Tory didn't go to far assaulting her twice? You have respect for Tory still? How about Robbie? He tried to attack Miguel last season knowing his back was just broken. You still have respect for him? Sam can be annoying, but the way some of you pathetic haters twist things to justify it while giving someone like Tory a pass is hilarious.
@@Billyregin People don't like Sam because she is a spoiled, rich kid. That is the lens most people view her through. "She has everything so she just get over it already" seems to be the general vibe I get from other fans.
So for everyone that tries to say Daniel should have accepted Silver's apology....still think that after this episode? Because Silver justifies everything he did to Daniel in their scene together. Not one ounce of regret.
Well he did that cause he thinks Daniel is a “arrogant prick” so of course he’s gonna try and be a dick but at that moment, I think he does still regret the way he was. Like he tells Kreese that he is only there to turn “kids into champions”. Only in later episodes does he start to slip imo.
@@joecyr5836 I mean, can be blame Daniel for his initial response? Maybe if Silver showed more remorse in the scene in this episode Daniel would have believed it was genuine. Instead Silver came off as mocking
@@Billyregin True but I think that’s the beauty of the show, that these characters are actual people and neither of them are necessarily wrong or necessarily right either. They’re flawed and even the heroes aren’t perfect or the villains aren’t completely bad. It’s just such great story telling imo. I can see where both characters are coming from.
@@joecyr5836 You can see where Silvers coming from? Really? 30 years later he struts onto Daniel's property, claims he's sorry, blames Daniel for not accepting it even though it's 100% understandable why he wouldn't trust anything Silver says, and then at their next meeting justifies what he did? Silver is a 3 dimensional character whos written superbly, but i don't see how you can think he in any is the right one in this situation.
@@Billyregin I disagree. In his altercation with Daniel in the store, he’s just pointing out that he’s a hot head, and that he liked the power he felt in the 80s (which is both true) and yea cause in Silver’s mind, he changed which obviously Daniel didn’t know but that’s Daniel’s flaw too. That he jumps to conclusions and always says “I should have known, people like you never change”. He’s said it to Jonny and a lot of other people as if in his mind, he thinks he’s above everyone. I don’t think Silver is a good guy by any means, I said I could see where he was coming from in his own mind. (And I can also see where Daniel is coming from) Again, life isn’t so black and white/good or bad. It’s gray.
I’m a Danny apologist, if I saw where Johnny’s teachings have gotten him (an alcoholic deadbeat) I wouldn’t want my child following those teachings either
@@filmfangirls9163 that’s the point though, it isn’t teams or sides. Reality isn’t black and white. That’s why both do things well and both do things poorly. Neither have balance which is what a lot of martial arts are about, yin and yang.
@@joecyr5836 oh I know lol I just mean when it comes to the "whose the bully" argument I'm on Daniel's side 100%. But I'm all in for Johnny and Daniel to team up!! Can't wait for next season!!
Or KK2 or KK3. He's presented as Johnny's antagonist early in Cobra Kai but if people actually think Daniel is the villain then I don't know what show they're watching.
@@josephsloop8865 same, she was super arrogant and a little annoying imo. Aisha had to struggle and build herself up where the new girl already thinks in her own mind that she’s great (which from experience in martial arts is the WORST mindset you can have in any competition. Especially martial arts imo)
@@joecyr5836 Exactly. It could also have created drama if she faced Tory or Sam. She had to match against her friend who is now her rival. In Tory's case, Aisha has always supported her, so it could be really emotional for Tory to not pull her punches, but also not injure Aisha. In the meantime, it could've also provided an opportunity to see Aisha grow and face off against an opponent who is superior in martial arts ability.
The discourse, if you can even call it that, surrounding the "who is the bully in KK1" stuff is so dumb. It's pretty clear that Daniel was both in the right, and trying to do the right thing all throughout. And it's even more clear that Johnny was bullshitting through his side of the story when he told it to Miguel in Season 1. I miss when this show was about Johnny trying to be a better person, rather than everything bending over backwards to justify his more trashy behaviors.
Yeah, I don’t get the “two sides to every story” thing the show is trying to do with the events of Karate Kid . It works better for Cobra Kai because Johnny and Daniel have both been in the right and and in the wrong make a ton of mistakes throughout the show at different points and a lot of that comes from different perspectives and miscommunication. But in Kk1, it’s not that complicated. We now know why Johnny turned out the way he did back then (mostly Sid and Kreese), but that doesn’t change the fact that he went out of his way to bully Daniel for most of the movie. Daniel was a hot head from Jersey and didn’t back down even when it probably would have been smarter if he did, but that doesn’t make him the bully back then
The same shit happened with The Walking Dead and its fans trying to act like Negan and Rick are somehow on the same level in terms of morality and how justified their actions were. The protagonist doesn't have to be a saint, or even a good person, for the antagonist to be clearly worse, and the antagonist can be likable while still being unjustified. You can have a nuanced perspective without resorting to "enlightened centrism", or supporting the villain.
Johnny and Daniel first meeting: Johnny sees from afar that Daniel and Ali are having fun and Daniel having no clue of the history of Johnny and Ali. After Johnny and the Cobras get close Ali and Johnny start fighting and Daniel sees the fight from the sideline. Johnny takes Ali's boombox and doesn't give it back. Daniel approaches requesting Johnny to give the boombox back to Ali. Johnny says "Do you want the boombox? Go get it!" And pushes Daniel down "giving" him the boombox. Daniel gets up and takes a defensive stance. Johnny attacks Daniel and lands kicks on him and Daniel falls down. Ali tries to stop Johnny, Johnny then gets closer to Daniel saying "Yoy want some more?" to which Daniel responds with a punch and then Daniel finishes him off. So no it wasn't Daniel's fault and it's not always Daniel's fault. Yes there are moments when Daniel instigates the fight but it didn't start that way. It's always back and forth after their first meeting.
I don't think you can bring in 100 students I have a feeling its your best blank number its not a endless number because not all Cobra Kai students are in the tourney it might be max of 10 students pure dojo I am pretty sure there is a limit to how many fighters you can bring the point is when Silver said there are two divisions boy and girl well he has a champion level fighter in both Robbie and Tory when he compares it to Miyagi do he is thinking they don't have a male at all because in there mind Hawk and Miguel are with Eagle fang but they have no girl champ because Sam is with Daniel so there odds are better with Tory and Robbie and I blame that on Sam because if Sam didn't break up Miguel and Tory the odds are Tory would be with Eagle fang lets not forget Robbie would be with Sam in Miyagi do so basically Cobra Kai wouldn't have any good fighters left Then the strongest Dojo would be a toss up because Miguel is equal to Hawk and Robbie then Tory is equal to Sam its a coin flip in all them fights. Its kind of why I wish there was no spilt in sex because i really really want to see a TORY VS HAWK FIGHT AND SAM VS MIGUEL , both girls are bad arse so I would give them even money on winning vs the guys !
Yeah, THIS was a theory I had. Thay maybe the tournament was gonna have dojo capacity limits, and Eagle Fang and Miyagi Do.would have to split up and enter the tournament separately, because their combined dojo would have been WAY TOO BIG compared to all the others. They could've had better chances of.winning as two separate teams yet still united. But I guess I was HALF RIGHT since that came into play at the last match and for a different purpose
When this show first started up until last season I was rooting for Sam over Tory. This season changed that, Tory is the underdog that can't seem to get a break while Sam is just being a brat. Sam didn't grasp what Aisha told her and took the whole "Strike First" too literally. It would make sense if they reveal that Tory's Father is Mike Barnes, she definitely has the same tamper and would explain her initial interset in Cobra Kai. Neil Patrick Harris needs to have a cameo on this show before it ends.
Folks love talking about Sam's emotional scars, Tori has emotional scars of life. And to quote sam in a previous episode, 'just because you have a sob story doesn't give you the right to be a bully', hmm, she's having anxiety attacks and emotional scars, looks like sam has a sob story now, of course tory has much more emotional scars due to her situation is nowhere near sam's. sam's a spoiled kid that got in to it with someone who felt she had nothing to lose and oh how folks forget she went looking for trouble at the 'laser tag' place and played her part to escalate things. Sam break the cycle, no, but why can't Tori make the step. And to what point will Sam move on, enemies for life or to the grave.
Sam's emotional and psychological scars come directly from Tory though. It easy to see why Sam took the stance she did in dealing with Tory. After months of trying to use Miyagi Do to defend herself and naturally getting tired of it not working, she finally leans in to Johnny's way and strikes first. But yeah, fuck Sam. Wordt character of all time. She can't have any flaws or be in anyway self contradictory. Not like any other character on this show is ever like that.
Man, the writing has really gone downhill this season especially when it comes to the LaRussos, specifically Sam. It feels so forced and doesn’t match the quality of the writing of previous seasons. It feels like they are trying so desperately to make you feel sorry for Tori, that they are throwing Sam’s character under the bus. There is no balance to the show anymore.
Thank you! I really thought this season had some really crappy moments, and it was pretty awful. The moment the two dojos separated and Lawrence and Larusso were fighting AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE RESOLVING THEIR ISSUES, felt simply forced and stupid. It threw all logic out the window
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It’s funny how Aisha’s parents are the smartest characters in this show.
“Oh, there’s a karate war? Let’s just move.”
richest characters in this show*
I agree
Not to mention her dad was a famous athlete. It she stayed involved in thr karate war and word got out, that might have given him some bad rep.
Solves the problem but also very cowardly for just running away
@@dx-dragon4399 cowardly? Why tf would they want their daughter to go to a fuqing teenage school karate war.
@@azrael_pendragon not the parents that are the cowards there daughter is
When they recruited the girl, as she walked away and re-joined her friends you can see them opening the black cobra kai boxes, a nice touch.
And it's kinda blurry when it shows those girls, but if I'm thinking about it right, those were all of.the new girls who join Cobra Kai.
That's pretty interesting, that Piper and 3 other women join because they're all in their own friend circle..
22:52 I love that Rick speculated that Terry straight up murdered his girlfriend. :D
I guess he finally kicked her in the head then
After seeing everyone's reaction to Sam standing up to Tory at the end being the same here for the umpteenth time, I feel like the show should've put more emphasis on the fact that the lesson she learned from Aisha was "it's okay to do things Johnny's way", which she did here.
Yeah problem is striking first doesn't always mean negatively, Johnny used the striking first lesson multiple times to do positive things, aggressive friendship is a thing XD
Tory uses deadly weapons and breaks into peoples houses by throwing kids through windows but shows character development.
Sam was a victim who cant get over trauma which is the source of her anger. It's especially hard to get over the trauma when everyone's forgiving the aggressor
Yeah, I'm a STRONG believer that people can change and everyone deserves forgiveness. But I also believe it's foolish to think that everyone will just accept an apology and move on THAT easily.
After Tory scarred Sam with the spikes, we saw Sam struggling with PTSD for a whole season, and then she got ambushed by Tory AGAIN with ANOTHER weapon!
Tory wasn't just trying to get revenge, she was willing to kill her
Plus if I'm thinking this correctly, it was two attempts to kill Sam in only 5 months, one at the end of August for school returns, and one before Christmas. These 4 seasons take place in little over a year.
THAT sort of trauma, and the possibility of Sam forgiving Tory? Of course it's gonna need MORE time than that. But at least now that concept is POSSIBLE compared to before
Yeah but Tory didn't throw Bert through a window, I'm sure it was Hawk
@@brevonmckinney2537 Honestly, I think the was Kyler who threw Bert.
He's like the tallest guy who was in that fight and he easily seems like THAT kind of a bully
@@isaactheworshipwarrior6687 I think it was a group effort
I love how Erik took a moment to remind himself that sam’s a teenager before he lost it
Johnny us probably the funniest person in this show
Definitely
Season 1 finale: Tori takes over the school speaker. "I'm coming for you bitch" just before the she started the all out war.
season 4 : Sam. "I'm coming for you, bitch".
She's taking control. She may be scared but is fronting Tori and striking first, she's not going to feel threatened anymore, and Tori's presence in her home and now her school is a threat to her. The girl who left scars on her is now in her home. I rewatched that S1 fight today and it's crazy. I don't know where Tori would have stopped, there was no off switch that I could see, I felt Sam was in real danger of being killed because Tori was just out for revenge and blinded.
I love that Amanda is helping her, being shown a kindest by someone who isn't out to use her in some adults weird grudge match must feel very different. Having already watched it, I'm intrigued to see where she goes from here
isn't that the season 2 finale?
Nah if someone literally scarred me then continued to terrorise me for weeks then broke into my house to attack me I wouldn't forgive them.
Sam is a person who was assaulted with a deadly weapon that left her bleeding and scarred, causing her severe PTSD, then had the same person lead a home invasion of her house and attacked her with nunchucks. Now everyone is insisting she forgive her and go to school with her. She feels powerless, so she is trying to take control of their dynamic. Her last line to Tony is what Tory said to her before she first attacked her.
Yeah I get all of that but what still doesn't make sense to me is how can Daniel and Amanda talk about Sam having scars for the rest of her life but doesn't even decide to least take her to a therapist but when Tory comes to Amanda she quickly recommends Tory going to a therapist like I honestly don't understand like you're complaining about you're daughter being traumatized but don't even try to take her to therapy that alone just makes me annoyed with Sam's whole PTSD story like if Amanda sees that Tory is the way she is because of the stress and pressure that she has of taking care of her whole family then she never thought that Sam might be that way at all yeah no doesn't seem legit there's plot hole in my opinion
@@gabriellehughes1788 Jesus you use the word "like" way too many god damn times
@@Billyregin Ok. Your comment was so unnecessary lol
@@gabriellehughes1788 I'm just saying, it was ridiculous. You sound like a 12 year old, saying like every other sentence.
@@Billyregin isn't 'like' a word or are those you kinda people that have nothing to say towards the actual comment so try and make a conversation about the person grammar, vocabulary and typing errors people like you are so annoying gosh you could have said anything but that but I guess you didn't so wanted try and seem relevant by making an unnecessary comment but I hope me replying actually made you feel relevant
"Why's he called Meat?" It's a nickname some people use for people named Demitri.
De meat ri
I feel like at some point they said he's dead meat and it may have gone from there. Then the whole dick cast thing happened and he gets a reputation for being hung like bull. 😂
Meat could be an ironic nickname for Demetri since there's not much meat on those bones, but i think it's actually 'Met', DeMETri.
no they call him meat because thats what he is, hes skinny and got no meat, geeze.
Chris came up with the name in earlier season
It takes a lot of equivocating to conclude that Johnny and Tory are not the bullies. Johnny was trying to force a girl to speak to him, was withholding her property and Daniel tried to talk him down. Johnny shoved him into the sand by bashing a radio into his chest. Daniel jabbed him and then Daniel tried to squash it. Johnny kicked him repeatedly and that’s how that started. Then the Cobra Kai’s run him off the road and destroy his bike. And I honestly think it’s hysterical that Daniel gets called the bad guy for dousing them with water, but we NEVER bring up that even Johnny’s other Cobra’s were telling him enough when he was beating Daniel for it. We’re just equalizing physical violence with dousing of water, and this is the crap that leads to ppl being unironic fans of Homelander. Tory attacked Sam with weapons, broke into her home with a karate gang. I don’t care if Sam shows up and heckles her at every job she ever has. Tory is the aggressor. Was it right for Sam to accuse her of stealing the wallet just cause she stole some vodka? Nope. Was it right that she kissed Miguel? Nope. Still not an excuse for assault with a deadly weapon. Danny and Sam are dumb teenagers who make mistakes. Johnny and Tory were/are bullies. My apologies to Bernie, cuz I think he’s funny, but just no.
8:19 I felt that Eric. I felt that.
Seeing Aisha come back in this season just for one episode was awesome.
Maybe we’ll see her again in further seasons
@@MrStyro might be nice, but seeing as she’s moved out of town and has since become emotionally healthier, she’s probably not 😆…
She needs to come back.
I'm not saying Sam is in the right, but I don't think her reactions are unjustified. Sure, many things in life would be so much better if people thought about things purely using logic rather than emotions, but I imagine it would make for a rather shit tv show.
And realistically, if you go through the same trauma that Sam went through because of Tory, it's gonna take some.time to get over that.
But ALSO, Sam went through an entire season of struggling with her fear and trauma rather than confronting Tory and asserting herself, not until.the season finale. And now when she's finding the strength to do that, Tory's on another arc of redemption.
And cmon, the way she jumps to conclusions and misinterprets the lesson from Aisha, she's DEFINITELY Daniel's daughter. 🤣
She's also a spoiled teenager that doesn't realize that not everything is about her
18:03 Close! Daniel did get in the fighting pose and then Johnny was like “oh you want to fight”, not verbatim, and Johnny ended up kicking Daniel. Then when Daniel was down Johnny walked up to him saying he was done and then said “how about you hero?”, not verbatim, and that’s when Daniel sucker punched him. So technically, Johnny started that fight. Daniel getting between Ali and Johnny isn’t starting a fight, it’s just butting into other peoples business.
Eric’s face watching the Binary Bros video 😨
I really liked that movie “Sidekick”! Sad that the main actor died years ago. We don’t really see Johnny teaching the kids anything new here, same with Daniel; while we see Cobra Kai learning multiple new things. This is the season of Cobra Kai from what we see
Funny that he’s the same actor from the movie Ladybugs that they referenced in the show.
I think since we're the viewers we get to see the context behind everything and everyone's lives where as Sam only has known Tory as a very dangerous and unstable person who assaulted her with a weapon, broke into her home, etc. It's easy for us to sympathize with Tory because we know her story, but why should Sam care regardless? She's a teenager who's been assaulted and traumatized by someone, her behavior is pretty justified imo.
Here’s the thing about Sam that I understand. Tory started a karate riot in the school and straight up attacked her and injured her…even though Robby was the one that kicked Miguel off the balcony, Tory started the fight that led to that.
Aaron is the voice of reason when it comes to how Sam is feeling. He understands 😌👍🏾❤️
I don't understand why Eric doesn't support Sam, Tory literally tried to KILL her more than once, broke into her house, etc. and expect them to be friends after that?
How Sam managed to hear Aisha’s words and twisted it to what she did at the end is mind boggling
Probably because Tory has now twice attacked her with literal weapons. Its mind boggling people forget that
She literally did exactly what Johnny taught. Strike First. She set the terms with Tory after months and months of taking shit from her. Neither are completely in the right but seeing Sam get shat on constantly for being just as flawed as everyone else on this show is baffling.
@@Billyregin and if I'm thinking this correctly, those two attempts happened within 4 or 5 months. The end of August for school returns, and the end of December, before Christmas day
Spoilers
I love that Terry is running his scam so well that Aaron actually thinks Terry would give a shit about Hawk's hair
Blue mat guy is low key my favourite character
15:39 the thing about this show is that the cycle never breaks
Chozen.
What's fun is realizing that Anthony and Sam don't stand a chance with the two crazy bullies, Danny and Amanda, as parents. :D
I love anytime you guys upload. You're conversations are so fun!! Of course I'm 100% Team Daniel but I'm all for the two working together.
I'm genuinely curious, was that last scene with Sam supposed to represent her listening to Aishas advice and confronting her problems (Tory coming back to school) head on or was it supposed to be how I took it as Sam just waiting for Tory to screw up while she instigates things?
The latter.
I took it as Sam was still scared about Tory coming back to school. That's why she feels she didn't have control. Aisha told her how she took back control by being kind. Sam compromised between that idea and lashing out with violence. She wants Tory to be scared of her, that's how she gets control.
I honestly don't get all the Sam hate this season. She is over aggressive for sure, and the ideas aren't executed perfectly. But sometimes it feels like she can't get away with nearly as much as Hawk got away with and still have the love of the audience.
@@mlgnerd13 I see. I like the compromise idea, makes sense with Sams character this season. I felt that by this season people want to watch the story progress even more than before. So every time we see Sam in a similar confrontation to Hawk we want her to come to some common ground with someone like Tory for the sake of the story progression, not necesarilly a resolution between them. I think with Hawk, his actions were a change to whatever was before so it moved the story at that point but now they expect the same from Sam even though her character growth seems to be starting more this season. I like what they did with their characters this season overall. A fun season.
@@jaze877 It's fair to expect growth from the characters. The thing is, the show has been completely focused on this Karate war since the season 2 finale. Without it, I don't know what the story would be. If we resolved the strongest rivalry from that fight now, there wouldn't be much reason for the fight
@@mlgnerd13 Totally agree, I just wrote what I believe others who hate Sam right now are thinking. I still believe there's a lot more that needs to happen between characters like Sam and Tory for it to be a satisfying resolution, if one even happens. I mean we're still working with Johnny and Daniels relationship lol.
17:11 What are you talking about Aaron? Johnny instigated most of the fights with Larusso in karate kid. Larusso instigates 1 confrontation and then suddenly Larusso the bad guy? That makes no sense
A hero has more distance to fall down. Johnny was already at the bottom so it’s easier to see when he does well and easier to see when Daniel doesn’t!
I feel like people misremember a lot of the Karate Kid lmao. Johnny and his friends got Daniel kicked out of soccer tryouts and then ran him of a hill before the Halloween incident. The water hose thing was Daniel trying to get them back, which was a bad idea, but just because they hadn’t messed with him in a while doesn’t mean they never would again.
I even have reservations that Daniel started any of them. The hose he was getting back for the beach. Johnny pushed him before Johnny got sucker punched. Which is never mentioned.
I mean I'll tell you something. As a woman if my ex boyfriend started harassing me and breaking my stuff, someone better step in and help if they think I'm gonna show interest in them. Daniel defending Ali made me love him even more. He's the hero.
@@filmfangirls9163
Yes but no one is the bad guy in their life’s story. He was trying to make up with his girlfriend (he failed) and then some kid you don’t know steps up to you. He knows karate and held back literally saying sit down kid after pushing him down in the sand. And then Daniel hit him! He more than struck back but in his mind he was defending his honor in front of his friends. Mike Barnes is a bully. Johnny was a young boy taught by a maniac. He was good at heart which Ali even talked about. He let his trauma mold who he became for better and for worse his whole life. But that’s just my opinion I guess. I don’t really view either as the bad guy. They were young boys fighting over a girl neither would keep. It was dumb and so were they. And sometimes they still are a bit thick headed. It was good Daniel was able to stand up for himself but that was his issue. It wasn’t about Johnny. It was about life and being new and fitting in. It was all that wrapped in karate. And to prove he was never a bully he eventually turns into a victim needing to be saved both physically and mentally but Myiagi only defends the boys physical. I think THATS what Karate Kid 2 should have been. Having them train Johnny but then that would erase this whole show which I couldn’t bear. But hey some alt universe lol 😝
Sam is a queen
Am I the only one who’s been on sams side basically the entire time.
IMO Sam Robby Miguel and Demetri are the characters that have basically never been wrong
Robby and Miguel both fucked up once tho.
I don’t blame robby for the accident cuz it wasn’t on purpose but he should’ve apologized and made sure Miguel was okay. Also it doesn’t really make sense why he hates Daniel. Yeah he should hate Sam she cheated on him (guess that’s the one time I disagreed with Sam) Yeah he should hate Johnny he was an absent father, maybe he should hate Miguel idk. I guess drunk Miguel was his first impression of him and since he hit Sam he prolly thought Miguel was an asshole for a long time and prolly still does think that. And also I think part of it is pent up anger over feeling like he’s been replaced by his father. But Daniel literally chose the best option for Robby. Tf did Robby think he was gonna do be a fugitive for the rest of his life? He was only in “jail” for like less than a month prolly.
And Miguel was really rude to robby in the tournament in season 1 but he’s changed a lot since then so yeah.
But I can’t remember a single time I disagreed with Demetri.
Hawk was really my last favorite character in every season except this one. He was honestly maybe my favorite.
"Meet" is what Chris calls Demetri.
I'm from Brazil and I love watching your videos reacting to series I've watched ❤️🇧🇷
Jonathan brandes was the actor who starred in sidekick with Chuck Norris, rest in peace sad ending.
8:18: eric 😆
RIP Louie Anderson. Forgot about that joke.
Alfred is pretty badass, cleans the huge mansion is like a sidekick to batman. Knows what's going on to give Bruce heads up. Is like a doctor that man wears many hats and gets so much work done. Is he related to the flash he has to be fast as hell for an older man. Fast as hell for a kid too.
Ahem. This thing on? Hem hem: TORY TRIED TO KILL HER. TWICE. Victims of violent crimes DO NOT OWE THEIR ATTACKERS Jack shit.
Sam allowed her to go back to school, then said "I'm not scared of you" and "stay away from me." What is cringey about that? Did you want her to throw her a fucking tea party? I get what the show is trying to do, but the show went too far in what it allowed Tory to get away with for this "both sides" bullshit to land completely. Which is fine; I like that they humanize Tory and showcase all of the LaRusso's faults, but to take that to mean that Sam is in the wrong for her reaction here is insane.
Everyone discussing this keeps conflating "who started it?" and "what is a proportionate or acceptable response?" Sam absolutely started it with Tory, and kept antagonizing instead of mending fences, sure. Literally none of what she has done, however, even remotely excuses Tory doing a karate school-shooting, taking a bladed weapon with the intent to strike her face, or leading a home invasion that culminated in assault with a deadly weapon. Daniel "started it" with the water hose in that instance, fine, but is an acceptable response to that giving him a 5-on-1 beating that even Tommy was trying to stop after it got excessive? Daniel may or may not have started it on the beach, if you want to be generous to Johnny, but is a proportionate response to that RUNNING HIM OFF OF A CLIFF?
If you want to say that she should learn to move on for her own spiritual well-being or whatever, fine, but arguing that Sam is wrong for not making peace with someone who traumatized her is some absolute bullshit.
lol
Except that's not what Sam meant. Sam is gonna be gunning for Tory and is gonna actively looking for anyway to put her down. She instigates with Tory even after this episode. Nobody is excusing Tory's behavior, they just aren't gonna tolerate Sam's either. At least Tory faces meaningful consequences for her actions and learns from them. Sam got PTSD from the school fight, but she got over it and STILL wants to cause problems. For someone who doesn't want to go to school with Tory and risk getting hurt, she sure does like to make fun of her and threaten her.
@@6ixur541 No sam doesn't antagonize her much after this... And just as much as people are ok with kenny beating his bullies actively, sam being antagonizing to Tory isn't something that is cringe or undeserve. Also if you have seen the whole thing you know sam still has PTSD and it's the main reason the finale fight goes the way it does lol. So yeah each character has flaws but a lot of things that are happening are not unwarranted.
Bruh..., this is Cobra Kai and not real life. And i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, but that scene was cringey AF, i mean i get that Sam is supposed to be a traumatized teen who tried to look badass but she really just looked like a little child pretending to be tough there(and that's even with the context just cringey).
@@christophekanaa1104 PTSD has pretty much nothing to do with the Season 4 finale, and i'm not sure from where you're even getting that? SPOILER:
Hell we literally had a Tory who was trying not to hurt Sam too much and avoiding any illegal moves in the finale, while Sam's biggest psychological battle was combining Miyagi Do with Cobra Kai/Eagle Fang, where exactly did you see PTSD playing much into anything there?
And btw Sam straight up surprise attacked Tory at the party, i would say that's pretty antagonizing.
The scoring system of the boys and girls team versus the overall best team with the most points is the same thing in high school wrestling and Judo from me. I could be state champ in my weight class but another school might get more points and win overall best team.
You all gotta check out "My Name", it's a Korean show on Netflix. It's pretty awesome.
Its decent but theres a lot of better korean shows if they are to venture into korean shows.
I have had critiques of Tory in the past but man the story does so much to make us side with Tory. Alsi I'm glad Eli had that talk with Demetri, I finally see Eli becoming a better person finally.
What critiques
@@Suowooo I think Tory has a problem with seeing the consequences of her actions and doesn't see how her actions can come back to bite her later. I also think she's too quick to anger even when someone hasn't even been really mean to her.
The story feels like it is trying way too hard for us to side with Tory. None of the writing of the Sam and Tori matches stuff from previous seasons.
@Yafet Kibrom Not sure why some of you are so easy to forgive a home invasion that happened for no good reason
@Yafet Kibrom Oh, so we can throw reason out the window, except when it comes to specifically Sam's actions. Then apply all the reason we want. I wonder why you're ok with that.
Even if I pretend that the giant cuts in her arm are "three little scratches", you saying that completely misses the point. What do you think would have happened to Sam if Tory landed that hit to her face? Just three little face scars? And she broke into her home. Tory has done everything in her power to make Sam feel unsafe.
Also, the fact that you think Sam saying "I'm in control here, not you" is going apeshit says a lot about you. Where's the complaint about Robby cutting off Hawk's hair to break him down? Nothing to say to that? I guess some people can react in a certain way
WHERES YALL REACTION TO BOOK OF BOBA FETT???!!!!!
Sam’s 100% right
Sam set her own terms, just like Aisha tell her.
Hashed it out like gentlemen...😅🤣😆
The new system is like a track meet. Which is why they want as many people possible to compete in every event to get the most points
If Johnny ever got somebody else pregnant in the past and that person had a daughter, it WOULD'VE been Devon. I guarantee it.
I think.. Season 1 was 2018... Which followed through season 3 (set at Christmas). Season 4 ends in May 2019 I believe.
"Meet" is a nickname for Dimitri.
Quite right, Eric. "Cringe" is a terrible word that is massively overused.
it just works tho. what other words do you use instead of cringe?
I really enjoyed this season overall, but I will blame both director and writer for Sam's reception by the audience. I don't think they managed to make us understand her quite well; I think what they did with Daniel was better, because we trace his hot-headedness back to the movies, and his flaws are quite consistent. Although she is a teenager, and teenagers are dumb, some of the heels turns feel non-sensical, because we as the audience have some expectations in how the characters should be acting, or we have an "acceptable range" for it. I still like her tho, but I guess I'm in the minority. I think they did much better with Miguel in season 1 (and in this season as well), and they did better with Hawk. Anyway, hopefully, they get the hang of her next season. Edit: I also think they should have made at least one of Daniel's kids "better", with both of them acting badly thorough the season we just cannot believe that the household has been nurturing good lessons... Again, take Miguel as an example, even as a heel in season 1 we don't doubt he has a good heart, he is just misguided.
Yeah I agree, they should have focused a bit more on the fact that she's trying to regain control after her trauma, and that's why she keeps targeting Tory.
First they mention Betty white and she dies, now Louie Anderson? I’m seeing a trend here
It's funny how folks forget Sam judged Tory as soon as she saw her and hated her every since. Then when Tory got street with her, "hey thats enough". I also find it funny that in real life there are folks who truly believe in hating wealthy people, like sam, who are watching this show and agreeing with her, knowing in real life they would be Tory, cause 'f the rich" right?. Not sam was always looking for a fight every time she saw her, oh yeah she was, even when she wasn't provoked.
Absolutely agree with you here. Every time Sam and Tory have their teenager drama face off, it just goes back to the first time they saw each other and how quickly Sam judged Tory at the moment...neither of them are being reasonable tho, I guess they are just being teenagers
@@sigmadonnie6081 I think it's reasonable to feel affronted by seeing your own mother helping a girl who, in the past *few months* has assaulted you with a weapon at your own school, leaving permanent scars and sending you to hospital, then invades your home and attacks you *again* with a weapon, and on top of that has yet to show a single scrap of remorse for her actions. But no, Tori's life at home sucks, she's excused from being held accountable for her traumatization of other children. Let's cut *her* some slack, while holding her victim to a much higher standard.
It's funny how people say that Sam "acted like Tory was a thief the minute she saw her".
...yeah, Tory WAS a thief, she had literally just shown them something she had just stolen, which was why Sam accused her of stealing.
@@Sesharon sure, Tory has no excuse for her behavior and scared another girl so deeply by her assault, Sam has every right to be angry at Tory and Amanda for helping this girl that has done so many terrible things to her, it’s understandable. It’s just very funny to see how a lot of people also use this as an excuse to condone Sam’s other behavior such as accusing someone for stealing something without having any actual proof of it. Her accusations at the time were based on her quick judgement and prejudice towards girl like Tory. I’m not saying Tory is not the one to blame for other things she has done, but it’s just funny to me that a lot of ppl clearly thinks the same way Sam does without even seeing Tory is definitely the one that stole Amanda’s wallet on screen. This is the incident that started the whole drama between them and happened way before Tory’s multiple assault on Sam, but audience see what they choose to see, so I think it’s funny.
You’re right. Sam is totally in the wrong for not forgiving the girl who tried to kill her and her paralyzed boyfriend twice. It’s Sams duty!
Daniel and Johnny need a 3rd party to sit down and mediate them. Miguel and Sam could easily do this but we don’t see them talking about this at all like we did last season.
Just me waiting for the book of boba fett episode reaction? ok just me great.
Nah cobra kai is better
Cobra who?
Patience!
Mary Mouser for Rogue, she's too cool 15:20
You guys really need to rewatch Karate Kid.
Nout wrong with Bing 🤣🤣
I'm honestly shocked by a lot of these comments. Yes, Sam is not the most amazing person. But if someone scarred me, tried to punch me in the face with a spiked bracelet, encouraged someone to break my friend's arm, and then broke into my house to attack me and my friends, I think I would have problems with them coming back to school. I'd be pissed, and I'd be scared. Especially since up until literally this episode, Tory has NEVER tried to take responsibility for her actions to Sam's face. She doesn't come to Amanda because she wants to make amends, she only does it because she needs their permission to get what she wants.
I'm not even trying to say that this is what Tory deserves, but to make someone out to be the bad guy for doing whatever it takes to protect herself from someone who has proven to be a lethal threat is complete nonsense
Yeah i have no idea what everyone is on about. It's like everyone just completely forgot about how truly psychotic tory was towards sam lmao
@@samatar6852 Yes Tory is a proper psychopath, it frustrates me how people just easily forget that because of a nice redemption story. But like what Eric, me and a bunch of other people are saying, Sam's dialogue was cringe from a viewing perspective. It's not an issue within the show just the way she is like "IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT ME FUNNY", don't understand how you couldn't find it beyond cringe
@@krishcharan i don't really see what so "cringy" about her confronting her fear/bully after they return and telling her she's gonna kick her ass if she even thinks of trying something. Far more cornier things have been said in this show. Hawk has said way cringier shit in the past and he's a fan favorite lol.
@@samatar6852 Once again you're not paying attention to what I'm saying and you're just trying to reword the situation to invalidate someone else's opinion. Her confronting her fear/bully is not cringy, that is awesome. Her delivery and dialogue is cringey. Yes other corny things have been said in the show, no one is saying or acting like there hasn't.
@@samatar6852 My guy if that aint cringe i dont know what is. im guessing you gave some crush on the girl
Kinda fucked up how Stingray got arrested. He was awesome.
Its weird...I see what they are trying to do with Sam, but for some reason it doesn't stick. My main problem is how she is written and not her character. It could have been an empowering scene, showing her stand up to her bully/abuser after the PTSD she felt last season, but it just falls flat. I would have preferred she came off as indifferent to Tori, while throwing in a line about how they weren't going to continue their back and forth because Sam is making her own rules as she said. Really hope they do better with her
dude she's been acting like that since forever with tory lol even episodes ago. I totally expected her to do something like this but she went way too far lol so i have no respect left for her
@@Takezo72 Way too far lmfao. By making an angry comment at school? But somehow you don't think Tory didn't go to far assaulting her twice? You have respect for Tory still? How about Robbie? He tried to attack Miguel last season knowing his back was just broken. You still have respect for him?
Sam can be annoying, but the way some of you pathetic haters twist things to justify it while giving someone like Tory a pass is hilarious.
@@Billyregin People don't like Sam because she is a spoiled, rich kid. That is the lens most people view her through. "She has everything so she just get over it already" seems to be the general vibe I get from other fans.
Can it, Bert!
RIP LOUIE ANDERSON
So for everyone that tries to say Daniel should have accepted Silver's apology....still think that after this episode? Because Silver justifies everything he did to Daniel in their scene together. Not one ounce of regret.
Well he did that cause he thinks Daniel is a “arrogant prick” so of course he’s gonna try and be a dick but at that moment, I think he does still regret the way he was. Like he tells Kreese that he is only there to turn “kids into champions”. Only in later episodes does he start to slip imo.
@@joecyr5836 I mean, can be blame Daniel for his initial response? Maybe if Silver showed more remorse in the scene in this episode Daniel would have believed it was genuine. Instead Silver came off as mocking
@@Billyregin True but I think that’s the beauty of the show, that these characters are actual people and neither of them are necessarily wrong or necessarily right either. They’re flawed and even the heroes aren’t perfect or the villains aren’t completely bad. It’s just such great story telling imo. I can see where both characters are coming from.
@@joecyr5836 You can see where Silvers coming from? Really? 30 years later he struts onto Daniel's property, claims he's sorry, blames Daniel for not accepting it even though it's 100% understandable why he wouldn't trust anything Silver says, and then at their next meeting justifies what he did? Silver is a 3 dimensional character whos written superbly, but i don't see how you can think he in any is the right one in this situation.
@@Billyregin I disagree. In his altercation with Daniel in the store, he’s just pointing out that he’s a hot head, and that he liked the power he felt in the 80s (which is both true) and yea cause in Silver’s mind, he changed which obviously Daniel didn’t know but that’s Daniel’s flaw too. That he jumps to conclusions and always says “I should have known, people like you never change”. He’s said it to Jonny and a lot of other people as if in his mind, he thinks he’s above everyone. I don’t think Silver is a good guy by any means, I said I could see where he was coming from in his own mind. (And I can also see where Daniel is coming from) Again, life isn’t so black and white/good or bad. It’s gray.
Dammit Sam that was NOT the lesson
Wouldn't Sam need to learn to strike first before doing it that's how I saw it
the im asexual bit always kills me
Da-MEAT-tree
I’m a Danny apologist, if I saw where Johnny’s teachings have gotten him (an alcoholic deadbeat) I wouldn’t want my child following those teachings either
Same lol I'm Team Daniel all the time.
@@filmfangirls9163 that’s the point though, it isn’t teams or sides. Reality isn’t black and white. That’s why both do things well and both do things poorly. Neither have balance which is what a lot of martial arts are about, yin and yang.
@@joecyr5836 oh I know lol I just mean when it comes to the "whose the bully" argument I'm on Daniel's side 100%. But I'm all in for Johnny and Daniel to team up!! Can't wait for next season!!
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meat is short for demetri aaron, come on!
Daniel is not the bad guy at least in KK1
Or KK2 or KK3.
He's presented as Johnny's antagonist early in Cobra Kai but if people actually think Daniel is the villain then I don't know what show they're watching.
I'm with Eric, I liked the epsiode but the ending was not my favorite, honestly it's the final line I think that is the biggest problem
@@ItsMeBarnaby I'm not talking about story it's the delivery of the line that makes me cringe
It was really cruel of them to tease Aisha as Eagle Fang's girl champion just to pull the rug out and introduce someone else. They got me.
And it should've been Aisha. I didn't care for Devon.
@@josephsloop8865 same, she was super arrogant and a little annoying imo. Aisha had to struggle and build herself up where the new girl already thinks in her own mind that she’s great (which from experience in martial arts is the WORST mindset you can have in any competition. Especially martial arts imo)
@@joecyr5836 Exactly. It could also have created drama if she faced Tory or Sam. She had to match against her friend who is now her rival. In Tory's case, Aisha has always supported her, so it could be really emotional for Tory to not pull her punches, but also not injure Aisha. In the meantime, it could've also provided an opportunity to see Aisha grow and face off against an opponent who is superior in martial arts ability.
The discourse, if you can even call it that, surrounding the "who is the bully in KK1" stuff is so dumb. It's pretty clear that Daniel was both in the right, and trying to do the right thing all throughout. And it's even more clear that Johnny was bullshitting through his side of the story when he told it to Miguel in Season 1.
I miss when this show was about Johnny trying to be a better person, rather than everything bending over backwards to justify his more trashy behaviors.
Yeah, I don’t get the “two sides to every story” thing the show is trying to do with the events of Karate Kid . It works better for Cobra Kai because Johnny and Daniel have both been in the right and and in the wrong make a ton of mistakes throughout the show at different points and a lot of that comes from different perspectives and miscommunication.
But in Kk1, it’s not that complicated. We now know why Johnny turned out the way he did back then (mostly Sid and Kreese), but that doesn’t change the fact that he went out of his way to bully Daniel for most of the movie. Daniel was a hot head from Jersey and didn’t back down even when it probably would have been smarter if he did, but that doesn’t make him the bully back then
The same shit happened with The Walking Dead and its fans trying to act like Negan and Rick are somehow on the same level in terms of morality and how justified their actions were. The protagonist doesn't have to be a saint, or even a good person, for the antagonist to be clearly worse, and the antagonist can be likable while still being unjustified. You can have a nuanced perspective without resorting to "enlightened centrism", or supporting the villain.
Johnny and Daniel first meeting: Johnny sees from afar that Daniel and Ali are having fun and Daniel having no clue of the history of Johnny and Ali. After Johnny and the Cobras get close Ali and Johnny start fighting and Daniel sees the fight from the sideline. Johnny takes Ali's boombox and doesn't give it back. Daniel approaches requesting Johnny to give the boombox back to Ali. Johnny says "Do you want the boombox? Go get it!" And pushes Daniel down "giving" him the boombox. Daniel gets up and takes a defensive stance. Johnny attacks Daniel and lands kicks on him and Daniel falls down. Ali tries to stop Johnny, Johnny then gets closer to Daniel saying "Yoy want some more?" to which Daniel responds with a punch and then Daniel finishes him off.
So no it wasn't Daniel's fault and it's not always Daniel's fault. Yes there are moments when Daniel instigates the fight but it didn't start that way. It's always back and forth after their first meeting.
Terry Silver and Tory nickel
Hey Sam you wanted to stop this have Tory arrested. What you didn't okay don't act surprised no more
Ayyy
I don't think you can bring in 100 students I have a feeling its your best blank number its not a endless number because not all Cobra Kai students are in the tourney it might be max of 10 students pure dojo I am pretty sure there is a limit to how many fighters you can bring the point is when Silver said there are two divisions boy and girl well he has a champion level fighter in both Robbie and Tory when he compares it to Miyagi do he is thinking they don't have a male at all because in there mind Hawk and Miguel are with Eagle fang but they have no girl champ because Sam is with Daniel so there odds are better with Tory and Robbie and I blame that on Sam because if Sam didn't break up Miguel and Tory the odds are Tory would be with Eagle fang lets not forget Robbie would be with Sam in Miyagi do so basically Cobra Kai wouldn't have any good fighters left Then the strongest Dojo would be a toss up because Miguel is equal to Hawk and Robbie then Tory is equal to Sam its a coin flip in all them fights. Its kind of why I wish there was no spilt in sex because i really really want to see a TORY VS HAWK FIGHT AND SAM VS MIGUEL , both girls are bad arse so I would give them even money on winning vs the guys !
Yeah, THIS was a theory I had. Thay maybe the tournament was gonna have dojo capacity limits, and Eagle Fang and Miyagi Do.would have to split up and enter the tournament separately, because their combined dojo would have been WAY TOO BIG compared to all the others. They could've had better chances of.winning as two separate teams yet still united.
But I guess I was HALF RIGHT since that came into play at the last match and for a different purpose
Also, "bad arse?"
Never heard that one before
@@isaactheworshipwarrior6687 Its swearing without swearing lol.
@@dalelapointe9289 I see.
It also makes u sound irish
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When this show first started up until last season I was rooting for Sam over Tory. This season changed that, Tory is the underdog that can't seem to get a break while Sam is just being a brat. Sam didn't grasp what Aisha told her and took the whole "Strike First" too literally. It would make sense if they reveal that Tory's Father is Mike Barnes, she definitely has the same tamper and would explain her initial interset in Cobra Kai. Neil Patrick Harris needs to have a cameo on this show before it ends.
16:18 Shut up Aaron, it is definitely cringe, beyond cringe even
Very solid argument, you've convince me
@@mlgnerd13 I have no desire to convince anyone and don't think I would need to convince a normal human being if I wanted to
@@krishcharan I was way more cringed by her and Tory at the kid's birthday party. This was totally fine for me. Guess I'm not normal, good for me
This comment is cringe.
@@samatar6852 Must be a rough life for you lad
Folks love talking about Sam's emotional scars, Tori has emotional scars of life. And to quote sam in a previous episode, 'just because you have a sob story doesn't give you the right to be a bully', hmm, she's having anxiety attacks and emotional scars, looks like sam has a sob story now, of course tory has much more emotional scars due to her situation is nowhere near sam's. sam's a spoiled kid that got in to it with someone who felt she had nothing to lose and oh how folks forget she went looking for trouble at the 'laser tag' place and played her part to escalate things. Sam break the cycle, no, but why can't Tori make the step. And to what point will Sam move on, enemies for life or to the grave.
Sam's emotional and psychological scars come directly from Tory though. It easy to see why Sam took the stance she did in dealing with Tory. After months of trying to use Miyagi Do to defend herself and naturally getting tired of it not working, she finally leans in to Johnny's way and strikes first. But yeah, fuck Sam. Wordt character of all time. She can't have any flaws or be in anyway self contradictory. Not like any other character on this show is ever like that.
But Sam didn’t kill anyone. Or even attempt to. That’s the point.
Sam trying act tough is so funny and pathetic
Man, the writing has really gone downhill this season especially when it comes to the LaRussos, specifically Sam. It feels so forced and doesn’t match the quality of the writing of previous seasons. It feels like they are trying so desperately to make you feel sorry for Tori, that they are throwing Sam’s character under the bus. There is no balance to the show anymore.
Thank you! I really thought this season had some really crappy moments, and it was pretty awful. The moment the two dojos separated and Lawrence and Larusso were fighting AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE RESOLVING THEIR ISSUES, felt simply forced and stupid. It threw all logic out the window
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Tory tried to kill/brutally hurt sam twice tf u want her to feel lol
@@RAZERX5 have her start trying at least. Rather than be absolutely stubborn and do nothing like she always does
@@RAZERX5 right
Samantha Larusso is literally, the most annoying character on the show. Eric's reactions to her are funny asf