It was my understanding that Jesus went into Abraham’s bosom to bring up the saints from Old Testament to paradise. Not exactly him descending to “hell” as in the place of torment, but he’s rescuing the captives in the sense of saved souls waiting on Christ’s atonement
In the original language there were three words for what we call hell. I can remember how to spell them but you can look it up. One was a place of torment, one a place of punishment, and one paradise aka Abraham’s bosom. Remember when the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus with a drop of water for his tongue. But there’s a great divide that neither can cross. Lazarus was in the air conditioned side of hell called Abraham’s bosom or paradise. Jesus Christ was in paradise and brought the people there out and they are now in heaven. Nobody went to heaven before Jesus death and resurrection. They were in either the bad side or good side of hell. Animals were sacrificed before Jesus but Jesus Christ is the final sacrifice. Think of it like this, if your carpet has a stain, or sin, the animal sacrifice would be like throwing a rug over it to cover it but Jesus sacrifice washes the rug cleaner than new. The RUclips channel The Door explains where hell is pretty well cause it is inside the earth. Hope this helps. I’ll try and spell the 3 words for hell but I’ll have to sound it out lol. 2 bad are Haitis & Geina, Sheol which was the good one.
Jesus descended to Hades. You may remember in Luke 16 that Hades was split into two parts: Sheol (torment) and Abraham’s bosom (paradise). Up until that point though, no one had entered the true heaven, where God’s throne is. Jesus went to Hades, took the Old Testament saints to Heaven, and while he did it, proclaimed his victory over death to all in Sheol, including the demons in gloomy chains (1 Peter 3:19, 2 Peter 2:4). Old Testament saint could not enter the true Heaven until Jesus died because up until that point, their sins were only covered by animal sacrifice, not truly paid for by Christ yet.
The problem with this statement is that in Luke 16, Jesus was talking in parables. He wasn’t being literal. He used know concepts like Sheol because he was speaking to Jews. But the central point of the the rich and Lazarus is to establish the realness of hell and how salvation is personal and not by works. That parable is NOT actual account of how heaven and hell were structure. God Bless you.
Amen. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
That's not what the Apostles Creed (or any Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglican) is saying though. In fact, believing Jesus went to hell to suffer is heretical according to the church fathers.
Hell is not the Lake of Fire. Jesus went to "prison" 1Peter, or the "belly of the Earth" Matthew 12. You could infer Jesus went to hell to preach to the imprisoned souls. He wasn't cast into the lake of fire. The word hell is used very loosely and hades is a Greek word I believe, so I'm open to hearing some word studies on hell if anyone has any input.
We have to differentiate between the three compartments of Sheol (the land of the dead). Was it Abraham's bosom (paradise for the Old Covenant righteous), or was it Hades (Hell)? The other compartment was Tartarus which is a prison for the demons. All three compartments were there and I believe Jesus visited Abraham's Bosom
You got it right!! Consider these verses with regard to the location of Hell (hades) and Paradise then and now. In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said he would spend three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth. In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus identifies a place called "Abraham's bosom" within eyesight of a place of torment called "hell" separated by a "great gulf." In Luke 23:43 Jesus tells the thief that got saved that today he would join him in "paradise," not Heaven. In I Peter 3:19 Peter says that Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison." In Ephesians 4:8-10 Paul says that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth after his crucifixion and led "captivity captive" i.e. "a band of captives" when he ascended. In John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary not to touch him because he has not yet ascended to "my Father." In Matthew 27:52-54 we see that after the resurrection of Jesus, "many" of the resurrected saints wandered into Jerusalem and appeared to many. So, let's compile the incidents on this issue based upon these passages. Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be in the "heart of the earth" for three days and three nights. He told the dying man next to him on the cross that he would join him there "this day." Jesus identified such a place (paradise) in Luke 16:19-31 within eyesight of hades. Peter tells us in I Peter 3:19 that Jesus preached to these captives ("spirits in prison"). When Jesus appeared to Mary in John 20, Jesus notified her in verse 17 that he had resurrected, but not yet ascended to Heaven. Paul said that Jesus led a band of captives when he descended (to receive them) and ascended in Ephesians 4:8-10. While leading this "band of captives" from "paradise" to Heaven, Jesus visited with Mary on earth prior to delivering these saints to their final destination. Some of these captives apparently had already taken an excursion into Jerusalem while Jesus was talking to Mary, according to Matthew 27:52-54. If all of this seems to fit to you, then consider the following: Paradise in the center of the earth has been evacuated. Only the place of torments (Hell, hades) remains there. Hell will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14. Those saints who died prior to the resurrection are now in Heaven, not paradise. The rapture of I Thessalonians 4:15-18 and I Corinthians 15:51-53 will include only those in Christ since the resurrection. Why was it necessary for the Old Testament saints to be held in "paradise" prior to the resurrection of Jesus? The answer is found in Hebrews 11:39-40: Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Notice the condition of the Believer since the sacrifice of the cross: I Corinthians 2:6, "Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:" Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. II Tim. 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. In other words, our faith makes us "perfect" (Greek: telios - complete) in Christ Jesus, but that was not possible until the atoning sacrifice had been made on the cross. The Old Testament saints were made "perfect," but not until after the sacrifice that makes Believers today "perfect" also. Perfect here is used in the context of righteousness. Believers are made "righteous" or "perfect" in Christ as a result of his sacrificial death. That is why Hebrews 11:40 says that they (Old Testament saints) could not be made perfect "without us" or apart from us. At the point of the resurrection, all Believers (Old and New Testament) were perfected (regarded as righteous before God) through the sacrificial death of Jesus on the cross. In other words, our spiritual relationship with God is perfect
This was everything I wanted to write and more and I appreciate it. I think Mr Friel would also benefit from reading your comment at length as I think some of his points would disagree but I agree with your summation.
It would be helpful to make a distinction between Hell and Sheol. In the OT Sheol was the place of the dead. It had two compartments. Hades, where nonbelievers were, and paradise where Abraham's bosom was. So when Jesus says "today you will be with me in paradise" to the thief he was referring to Paradise in Sheol. When Jesus dies he did go into Hades not to continue his atoning work but to proclaim victory over the Spirits as in Noah's Day(Not human Spirits) but the demonic. When Jesus is resurrected he has defeated Sin, Death and Satan. He ascends to the Father where he is given a Kingdom by the Father and all those who trust in Him will be with Him in Paradise(Heaven). Hell refers to the Lake of Fire not Hades. Remember Hades is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation.
Todd is looking at this issue from a modern context and he doesnt understand what the terms even mean. People think the apostles creed teaches jesus went to hell and was burning. This is patently ridiculous and the reason early christians confessed christ descended to hades is because it is an important part of the historical context
For those who don't know where in the Bible Doug Dozier found the description of Sheol as having two compartments (Hades (hell) and Abraham's bosom (paradise)) just go to Luke 16 : 19 - 31. Jesus describes Sheol as two areas divided by a great chasm so no one can cross over from one side to the other.
I'm so glad you talked about this! At the back of my study bible theres a bunch of creeds and confessions and I was REALLY bothered by the "he descended into hell" line and have been struggling to justify it or figure it out for ages
Jesus did not take people out of Hell where the rich man was just the part where Abrahams part, where Lazarus was, this was what was known as paradise. everything fits unlike he went to hell to surfer or went to be with the father both of which Denys scripture for the sake of mans doctrine, let scripture flow with scripture
@@seanthompson5077 Jesus went to go preach to the souls in prison in SHEOL, in the Old Testament the righteous and the wicked both went to SHEOL, until Jesus paid the full penalty of our sins.
My understanding: The thief on the cross would be with Christ in Paradise, yes. That does not mean Christ was not capable of going elsewhere afterwards. "Today" does not mean that tomorrow Jesus was not capable of traveling. He was dead for 3 days, after all. Also, my understanding was Jesus went to the place of torment to proclaim to fallen angels that death had been defeated, NOT to preach the gospel in terms of saving new converts. He absolutely did not go and be tortured, but I believe those verses mean he went to proclaim victory over those that rebelled against God.
What about this verse? What did Jesus mean? “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Matthew 12:40
Was taught at Youth With A Mission by a speaker that Jesus went to hell to pay for our sins there. Also same person said this “Did you know Jesus was the first born-again believer? No seriously.” Yeah…I left there about a month into it and came home. Shortly after that, I left the charismatic/NAR movement. I shared that with my grandmother and she just gasped and said “You mean to tell me they were teaching you that? Oh how horrible.” Needless to say, I don’t believe that He paid for our sins in hell.
I appreciate your teaching and your interpretation of scripture. However, I am not 100 % with you on this issue. I will need to do my own deep dive into this because most of what you said would be contrary to my current understanding. Thanks so muck for challenging me to know the Whole Scripture.
I learned about it like this, I wanna know what your opinion is. So, Jesus suffered hell on earth. He paid for our sins through experiencing God's wrath, which was meant for us. On the cross, He said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” So, is it okay to think Separation from God is hell? Complete disconnection from God should be hell. As Jesus is an infinite being, he could experience an eternity of hell in 1 second if needed so I don't think the issue of the time he has suffered on earth is relevant.
I was literally just talking to my wife about this very subject, then I opened RUclips and this video was at the top of my recommendations. Providence can be downright spooky sometimes.
One thing to note, Jesus cries out "My God my God, why have you forsaken me?" Hell is God's judgement being poured out, Jesus did undergo a kind of separation that sinners would feel in hell
Even for Wretched this is more wronger than usual. Paradise is not Heaven. Paradise was a region in Hades where the OT righteous went after death awaiting the Messiah to come. The word Hell doesn’t always mean the place of eternal damnation. It was originally the English word that translated the Greek word “Hades” which, like Hebrew “Sheol” meant simply the “realm of the dead” where both the good & bad would end up. In the Creed the word “Hell” has this older, more expansive meaning. The creedal statements of later Church councils are important because in fulfillment of Christ’s promise the Holy Spirit always guides His (true) Church into truth - and the Ecumenical Councils are historical iterations of the Spirit’s action. They never conflict with Scripture but rightly interpret Scripture. When read in context (which Mr Friel fails to do), the verse is about Jesus descending in His soul into Hades/Sheol to preach to those who had died during the Flood: “For Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit. In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water (1 Peter 3:18-20).” The “he” who preached to the spirits is unambiguously the same “he” that was “put to death in the flesh” but “was brought to life in the spirit.” Jesus. If “It is Finished” meant “Paid in full” as Friel claims, then it was finished while Christ was on the cross but before He had actually died! So here Friel shoots himself and his whole PSA soteriology in the foot 🦶 and makes Christ’s death superfluous. But Christ did not die to save “His sheep from God’s wrath.” He came to save us from sin. Big difference. What Christ finished was doing all that the Father had sent Him to do - John 4:34. Friel is correct when he says it’s a heresy to say Jesus went to hell to suffer. Jesus did not go to Gehenna - the Hell of fire. He went to Hades/Sheol - the realm of the dead. So fortunately Friel isn’t completely wrong, just mostly wrong.
It is my understanding that “hell” is a translation of the word “hades” which is a translation of “Sheol”…Sheol has two sections, reference Luke 16, the rich man and Lazarus…the rich man is in the torment section of hell, hades, Sheol and Lazarus is in the section of Paradise or “Abrahams bosom” where I suspect all Old Testament saints resided until the resurrection of Christ. So when Jesus told the thief that he would see him in Paradise that adds up, he would see him Paradise which is Abraham’s bosom. I hold to the belief that is where Christ descended, to minister to the Old Testament saints and to bring them with him to the father at the resurrection. I didn’t realize there was some debate on this…Am I missing something on this? This video didn’t mention the verses I had seen where these links are made. Example Matthew 12 when Jesus refers to being in the belly of the fish and how Jonah describes his experience in the belly of the fish as being in Sheol…
Abraham's bosom is just that, Abraham's bosom. If you hold someone in your bosom, it means you're holding them close to your chest. All of the Old Testament saints are spiritually in heaven. The scripture is saying that Lazurus ascended to heaven to be with Abraham.
@@cc3775 thank you for your comment, can you give us some references on why you believe this? I’ve always leaned on the verse from Paul’s letter to the church in Corinth, 2 Cor 6-8.
The way I always took it was that Christ went into Sheol, not hell the lake of fire, to bring the Old Testament saints with Him, while proclaiming His victory to the spirits who rebelled with against Him.
I have no major disagreement with your observations and their interpretation. On the contrary, I totally agree with the premise and your Scriptural application in general. The only adjustment I would make is that the ideas of paradise and hell were a little different. We had the existence of Sheol, which we assume is in three divisions, i.e. Paradise, Hades, and the great gulf between the two. The paradise the thief descended into may have been the Paradise of Sheol and Jesus' visitation to this part of Sheol was to remove the righteous to a heavenly Paradise. This would still allow for His spiritual return to heaven before the physical return in Acts 1:8-9 . He preached to no unrighteous persons given another chance before being dumped into the lake of Fire, the second death, eternal fire. If I am correct hell is further divided into degrees (not Fahrenheit or celsius) but greater and lesser. The lesser is the place for all unjudged and unrepentant sinners called hades, and the greater suffering, into which hades is cast after the White Throne Judgment, is Gehenna, the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, the eternal place of eternal death. Sheol would compromise all the segments mentioned above. I have surmised that the great gulf may be synonymous with the abyss or bottomless pit wherein the fallen angels go and Satan is detained for a millennium. I agree, when He screamed out tetelestai from the cross the plan and payment of salvation were indeed finished. I have no disagreement with what you said in a very brief period of time. Keep up your good work and keep these videos coming.
In my mother tongue of Vietnamese, the word "hell" in the Apostle's creed was translated as "âm phủ", the place for all dead people (an Oriential idea similar to the idea of Hades, where the dead go and in some specific conditions, can return to the land of the living as in a spirit form known as soul or ghosts. Vietnamese has other words for "a final place of judgement for those who did evil" (the severity and types of punishment depending of the weight of sins and rhe specific deeds). It was quite helpful to grow up with Oriental culture as it makes understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity easier, like the idea of obedience to those in authorities, disadvantages of women in a broken world and the importance of the first born son.
1Pe 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. 1Pe 3:19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison- 1Pe 3:20 those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
Thank you, Todd. That clears things up for me. As you always say, "Let's let scripture interpret scripture". That's all we need for spiritual wisdom and discernment.
I don't have a Biblical opinion on this, but I've heard reformed preachers preach that Jesus went to minister to the lost souls in hell, but they still rejected Him. As they will in the millennium. Where do we stand on that?
Being “devil’s advocate” here; The “today” part could’ve been more like “I’m telling you TODAY, that you will be with me in Paradise”. Not “I tell you that you will be in Paradise with me TODAY”. The placement makes a difference.
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Luke 23:46
I would for sure run from someone who teaches that Jesus atoned for sin in hell, but I don’t think someone is necessarily a heretic for believing that. It is mistaken and false, but it doesn’t seem to undo the gospel. The essential fact that a believer is trusting in the completed work of Christ, not their own work, remains unchanged. It is still finished, though they need to understand WHEN it was finished. Anyone disagree? I’ll hear you out.
Some scholars contend Paradise and Heaven are different. Paradise is being in the presence of the glorified God who is Jesus upon his death on the cross.
at 1:00 ...I was listening to a pastor who had Greek as his minor in seminary and he said "There are no commas in Greek" and that what Jesus said was I tell you this today...You will be with me in paradise. If that's true then it's not crystal clear.
Non calvanist, non arminian here. I really appreciate that you have the comments section open. Many of the most influential calvanists (james white, macarthur,etc) have their comments section closed and it hard to aid in correction when they are wrong.
You bring up some great points, Good job! but what about the verse in Matthew 12:40? It is definitely a verse to consider but for the most part i think i’m on the side where Jesus didn’t descend to hell, and that’s mainly due to the verse where Jesus said “today, we shall be in paradise”. Anyways, whether you believe one side or not, it ultimately doesn’t really matter, just live your life in a way that pleases our Lord and Savior and trust and believe in him fully. Have a great day
"I'll be better prepared the next time this comes up." Make sure you also study what Todd here is calling paradise. What I picked up was that Todd was saying that paradise is heaven, where God's throne is. Go look up Luke 16:19-31. Jesus is telling us some aspects, of paradise, of Abraham's bosom, of Sheol. If Todd was in error on this what else was he in error of?
It was my understanding after hearing a sermon from rc sproul that Jesus paid for the sin of all those who believed when he was in the 3 hours of darkness on the cross. This is why he cried out “Father why have you forsaken me”. At that moment he was separated from the Father and in a terrible punishment for our sins. There in those 3 hours of darkness he paid for and suffered the eternal punishment for all those who believed. I could be wrong but that is my understanding of this topic.
I hate listening to something Good and then seeing all self righteous and "Im the authority on this subject matter" comments and disagreements below the video. I wish they would just shut the comments down and let people go to Scripture and earnestly seek God's wisdom in these matters!
Truly I say to to you,(coma) today you will be with me in paradise… Truly I say to today,(coma) you will be with me in paradise All depends on that coma that actually doesn’t exist in old languages 🤷🏼♂️
Atheists who think they are smart will see during the judgement day. Not because we Christians are good. NO. but because We have repented and trusted IN Jesus' finished work at the cross.
What about the fact that there is a possibility that the comma has been misplaced in Luke 23:43 as some teaches? And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you *,* today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today *,* you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43
I think where the confusion comes in, is there were 2 parts of hell. Hell as we think of it and paradise, where the old testimemt saints went. We can see this in psalms where David says "leave my soul not in hell O' Lord." The 2 parts of hell are also alluded to in the parable of the rich man in hell, where we see paradise and hell, with a great gulf between them. Now did Jesus physically go to the paradise part of hell to get the old testiment saints or did he just bring them to heaven with a waive of his hand? This I cant say for sure, but my guess is he went there physically and the reason I say this are a few other versus in Psalms and a few more in the new testament. Either way, this isnt a hill Im willing to die on, I think we'll only know for sure, when we Jesus us tells us about it one day.
Yes, everything must be held to scripture. That’s the idea behind the church’s confessions which have been around since a whole lot longer than any of our “personal interpretations” which mean nothing. I’m not sure why I should trust this man’s interpretation of scripture (in spite of the plain words) over the Apostle’s Creed which was in fact upheld by scripture…
Jesus descended into Sheol, in Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise, where the Penitent Thief would have gone) and ministered to all the souls there, and brought them to Heaven.
3:04 As sometimes in writing out Scripture, things were inserted, such as punctuation, in translation. So is it really, "I tell you truly TODAY, you will be with Me in Paradise," or "I tell you truly, TODAY you will be with Me in Paradise"? In other words, is the "today" the day Jesus is telling the man or is it the day the man will be with Jesus in Paradise?
The biggest issue is the heresy inherent in the punishment theory. If Jesus was punished you either need to split the trinity or you need to separate the naures of Christ. Either option leads to heresy.
While I agree with your position. Something that bothers me is that there is more than one verse and another that troubles me about preaching to those in prison... What about "baptism for the dead" in 1 Cor 15:29?
Jesus told the thief he would be with Him today in paradise. He didn’t say Hell. Beyond that, Jesus is Lord. He is omnipresent. He is everywhere. To say he is in one place or went to one place when he left his earthy body isn’t saying enough of His Glory and Power.
i’m not convinced he went to hell, but i could see someone arguing that his saying “it is finished” was more of a “the fatal wounds are here, so now i will die and then go to hell”. in other words, he hadn’t technically died yet when he said “it is finished”. any thoughts?
"It is finished" is translated from the Greek "tetelestai". The word was specifically used by creditors when they were completely repaid a debt by their debtors. Jesus was proclaiming that the debt was paid and judgement upon Satan was cast. Thereby, salvation was made manifest by the blood of Christ (and sealed for eternity by the resurrection).
Since I was a kid, I was told that Jesus went to hell to take the keys to hell. I still don't know exactly what that means or where in the Bible this is found.
I think "descended into the Earth" is like Ecclesiastes asking whether the spirit of an animal ascends to Heaven and the spirit of a man descends into the Earth.
The claim is that Jesus went to Hades( ᾍδης) not the eternal place of punishment. And it is discussed in the gospels at the Transfiguration. Christ speaks to Moses and Elijah about the exodus Ἔξοδος he is about to accomplish. Meaning he is about to lead the righteous dead out of Death.
Just thinking here… We often say that Jesus took the punishment that was due us. The punishment that was due us is hell. Hell is often understood as “eternal separation from God”. Does it not stand to reason, then, that when we say “Christ took the punishment that was due us”, we are saying “Christ suffered eternal separation from God (I understand the complexities of the Trinity here…)? If Jesus was just dying a physical death on the cross, why would He be sweating blood in anticipation? No one wants to die, of course, but He KNEW He would be resurrected. I’ve thought deeply about this…and still haven’t settled it.
I have been taught that "I tell you today," is like a figure of speech similar to when Jesus said "verily verily I say to you" and that the thief on the cross as well as everyone else who is in the death Jesus calls "sleep" on this earth will wait until the resurrection to join Him in paradise. Thoughts?
Jesus was saying TODAY the thief would be with him in paradise. Paul also said he wished to "depart and be with Christ" in Philipians 1:23-24. There are some good vids on RUclips explaining all the verses that show soul sleep is unbiblical.
The object of verse 20 is verse 19’s “spirits” - the fact remains, that Christ still descended into the heart of the earth, which the verse describes as containing (at least) a prison for spirits. Now, when you account for the story Jesus gave of the Rich man and Lazarus, you understand more about the layout of the heart of the earth: two sides affixed between a chasm. One side is a place of reservation for the damned unto the day of judgement (hell, hades, etc), the other is paradise (Abraham’s bosom) in which OT faithful were held in reserve waiting for the shedding of the blood of Jesus and the power of His Resurrection. “Today you will be with me in paradise” That same day (and leading up to the third day) Christ journeyed DOWNWARD to the heart of the earth - AFTER Christ arose from the heart of the earth he went to his own for a short time and told them not to touch him because he had NOT gone to the Father yet. Coincidentally, graves were opened up and those resurrected saints walked the holy city before going up to heaven (NOT “paradise”). Dismas did not go to where the Father is (Heaven) the same day Jesus went down - Jesus HIMSELF hadn’t gone to the Father for at LEAST three days later. Christ the Spirit descended while His body lay in the tomb - he (his spirit) descended, his body lay in the tomb. When the spirit returned to the earth it went back into his body, and then short after that his whole being returned to the Father. As did the others who were separated from their bodies due to DEATH, and then followed suit in their resurrection. Stop being a Papist.
Perhaps the captives were those whose souls reposed in Abraham's Bosom (Paradise), which was adjacent to Hell and in the lower parts of the Earth (Luke 16:19-31)? And, perhaps when Jesus' preaching for three days was completed, at His resurrection, there followed those OT saints whose faith was accounted unto them as righteousness were then freed from captivity in Abraham's Bosom (Matthew 27:52-53)? Just asking.
Remember also on the cross, there was a separation. Jesus said he was forsaken. So there's no way he could have gone to heaven after being forsaken. He died the death of a sinner so his punishment was hell. When a person commits a great offense, he goes to prison, in essence Jesus went to hell. So the three-day event was his mission of rescue to the old time saints who believed in a promissory note which included: Abraham, Noah, Abel, Enoch, e.t.c because they were in hell (the place of the dead). Remember in the book of John, Jesus said: John 3:13 [13]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. No one was in heaven prior to the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus made a way out not just for the old time saints but also for us. Jesus communicating in a parable also gives us a glimpse into where Abraham was: Luke 16:19-31 [19]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [20]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [21]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [26]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. [27]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: [28]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. [29]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [30]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [31]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Abraham was in Hell Hell here was referring to the place of the dead. So Jesus sacrifice brought a way for man to access heaven. Also to add that to say Jesus went heaven straightaway is not consistent because what would have he been doing three days in paradise? Ask yourself this question. Was he chilling? What exactly was he doing?
7:30 What he says here does not follow what He told Mary at the tomb, "do not touch me, for I have yet to ascend." If it was fully finished *AT* *THAT* *SPECIFIC* *POINT* on the cross the why was there need for Him to hold back Mary right after coming out of the grave. He still had *ONE* more work to do, and think about the actual Levitical priesthood ritual of atonement. He had yet to ascend to apply the blood of The Spotless Lamb on the mercy seat of God.
When Jesus said to the thief in Luke 23:43 'verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in paradise', it can be read in one of two ways. The first is that paradise would be entered that same day. The second is that whatever Jesus was saying about paradise he was saying it unto him that day or today. The thief had asked 'remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom' which the thief would assume was at a future time. So when Jesus said 'today' he might have meant: 'I don't need to wait until I come into my kingdom to remember you, I'll tell you right now, today, that you will be with me at that time. This second understanding fits in with Jesus not ascending to his father until after his resurrection, and also accords with Bible teaching that the person has no consciousness after death (Ecc 9:5, Ps 6:5, Ps 115:17). In John 11 when Lazarus died, Mary acknowledged that he would rise again at the last day, and not that he was in heaven. If he had gone to heaven he would have been disappointed to have to return again to mortality four days later when Jesus raised him from the dead.
@@mariabean1786 Well, Maria Bean, there is no way we could possibly know for sure that that didn't happen now (descended into Hell either on that DAY or the NEXT), could we?
@@jessszabo5049 Certainly. Even so, that does not take us very far now, does it Jess? I readily confess the question admits of two interpretations. My only concern is that the preacher seems to enjoy the kind of confidence in his interpretation of the question which is clearly not justified by the text of the Bible...
What about these verses 1Pe 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. 1Pe 3:19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison- 1Pe 3:20 those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
No mentions of Origen or Chrysostem debating over this very stuff? This is nothing new, but does edify the thoughts of those trying to comprehend Jesus in their contextual world.
My studies lead me to believe Jesus went to paradise which is where the saints were to testify to them and bring them out of there to be with Him in heaven. The story of the beggar and Lazarus Is helpful for me. Lazarus was in hell and the beggar was in paradise also known as Abrahams bosom.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40 some preachers claim that paradise was a part of hell where believers went before the Cross, Jesus descended their to lii oh liberate them and bring them to heaven
I used to be so small, Smaller than a flea's flea. Then my parents fell in love, And made me be me. Then I lived the life, The life of me, With sometimes happiness and boredom, With sometimes sadness and glee. One day I grew too old to play. And then one day I went away. Don't visit my grave. I'm not there. That's not me. I've gone back to being so small. Smaller than a flea's flea.
After my grave, I will not be identified as a flea. Nor be as busy as a bee. Nor struggle with strife and lust, For Christ will have satisfied my thirst! I will look back at my sadness and boredom, Then look ahead with happiness and glee. For then I will see, That my presence in my past life was not small, For a soul is immortal, And that gold was being refined with fire. Now I will have a new body, And be identified as a new creation. For corruption has past away, And I will have put on Christ's robe of righteousness. Paid by an infinite value on the cross. All this, gifted freely by grace. Behold, eternal life awaits!
Just wondering. Is Paradise the same as Heaven? Or is it a peaceful place of preparation before joining the Lord God in Heaven. Also I read in Revelation that Hell and Death are cast into the lake of fire. Yet many people seem to believe that Hell is the lake of fire! I’m ready to be enlightened please. 🇬🇧
Am not certain why the description of Paradise given by Jesus in Luke !6:19-31( adjacent to hell ) was ignored here but , others on here have commented on this at length so I shouldn't have to elaborate much . Either Todd is unaware of this view or is merely leaving it out since he finds it somehow unacceptable .
Thank you for clearing this up. I've been believing just this for a Loong time now due to some teachers I've listened to 💀 I didn't even know I've been committing heresy this whole time-
Believing that Jesus descended into this prison, whether or not its hell, as I do, is not heresy. It IS a controversial subject but it is not heresy. The heresy would be what Copeland, Meyers and others teach, and that would be that Jesus was tortured in Hell. Todd is misrepresenting/misunderstanding this subject. How could Jesus go to the prison where spirits who were disobedient in the time of Noah dwelt, during the time of Noah? If that's the case, those spirits would not yet be in prison. The context of that verse is pretty clearly after his death and before his resurrection. It's also entirely possible that Jesus could go to this prison and be in paradise that day with the thief as Jesus, being God, is not exactly bound by our rules of time and space. When reading scripture let the text speak. When we subject scripture to our reason and only believe what we can explain, we are putting God to the test by saying that his words can only be accepted if they always make sense, and that is dangerous. There are mysteries in scripture, and we are not given to know those things. This piece of doctrine is not salvific, true, so it's of less import than, say, the Deity of Jesus. Still, we need to be careful and let scripture stand as it is, and not try to force confusing passages into something we can understand. I'm not one for throwing out historic creeds, even though Todd is right that the creeds are under scripture, not the other way. These creeds have stood for a very long time, and are a very succinct way of explaining the major points of Orthodox Christian Doctrine, these creeds being, specifically, the Nicene Creed, the one he is referring to, the Apostles Creed and the Athanasian Creed. Don't be afraid of them.
To say Christ went to hell is completely idiotic to believe, if you believe that the price for sin is everlasting torment then Christ should be there right now suffering eternal hellfire
As scripture tells us plainly, Jesus descended down into Paradise to preach to all the OT people who followed God so they could/could not receive Him.... He NEVER descended into Hell!!
Wait he descended to paradise? Scripture doesn’t say that at all. Jesus was dead for 3 days. In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return" Genesis 3:19 Thou (God) takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust" Psalms 104:29 “The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence.” Psalm 115:17 ESV “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do. Let your garments be always white. Let not oil be lacking on your head. Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vain life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.” Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 ESV “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2 ESV “Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” John 5:28-29 ESV ““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have eternal life.” John 3:16 ESV “yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.” James 4:14 ESV “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 ESV
I think it is a stretch to say this verse in Peter 3:18-19 is talking about Jesus going to the people in Noah's day. As you always say, "context, context, context" "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" This is obviously talking about the crucifixion. It does not say anything about going back to the days in Noah, and made proclamation to the "people" who where once disobedient, but to the spirits in prison, who were once disobedient in the days of Noah. Jesus having giving His human form on the cross, now in the Spirit, capable of being anywhere all at once, if He so chooses. Love you brother, but God is super, supernatural and goes where ever He wants.
Hades, which is Greek, or Sheol, which is Hebrew, have two different parts which are known as Paradise and hell. When Jesus was crucified, he died, went to Hades, which has two sides to it, and then was risen from the dead. Heaven was not available to anyone that had died before Christ resurrection. That is the reason why they went to Paradise and then after Jesus was resurrected, everyone was transferred to heaven. The reason for this is because Jesus has not died yet for anyone sins; therefore, no one was allowed into heaven before Jesus was resurrected. God would not allow anyone from earth to enter heaven until their sins were paid for by Jesus the Christ.
It is a problem for calvanism but is it for simple, biblical christianity. Romans 10:14How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
Help my confusion here.. why would christ have to die if Gods wrath was satisfied at the moment he says "it is finished" I'm thinking that's the moment the Father had completely turned on the Son and imputted all the sins onto him, but the punishment hadn't been given out yet. So why wouldn't he be sent to hades after that?
I don’t know if He was in hell or not, but just because He was in paradise that day He was crucified has no bearing on whether He was in hell at all during those three days and nights between His crucifixion and resurrection. He could easily be in two different places on any day. Even I can do that.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 Amen. the Bible says Thou shalt not kill. Or hate. However would it not be most loving for both your family and an "attacker"(im really tired) to physically ambush the attacker without badly hurting him physically? Like I'm totally for nonresistance but I don't wanna prioritize a technicality over protecting someone's life. Seems insane for example to not break up a fight where someone is being killed because you don't want to physically harm or fight anyone. Just wondering what you think I don't have a strongly formulated opinion. Hopefully this makes sense im descending into post-chanceofgettingdecentamountofsleep right now
@@Vitamortis. Luke 22:36. Jesus tells his disciples to s3ll thier cloaks and buy a sword...why tell them that if not for self defense? I will not stand idly by and watch if someone needs help especially my family. Do what you want friend but protection of life is important and necessary at times.
@@Vitamortis. "Love worketh no ill to his neighbor;" and no philosophy can ever make it appear that it does a man any good to kill him. When the soldiers asked John the Baptist what they should do, as followers of the Lamb of God to whom he pointed, he replied, "Do violence to no man." Luke 3:14. These soldiers were soldiers in service as seen from the margin of the Revised Version, and the margin also gives as the alternative rendering of John's answer, "Put no man in fear." Love never does any harm to anybody; but love is active since it is the life of God; therefore love is always doing good. Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, "went about doing good." So how is it possible for anybody to fulfil the law? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Therefore this love is possible to man only as God dwells in the heart. "The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." Rom. 3:5. Love is of God, and that is why love is the fulfilling of the law of God. The Holy Spirit puts God's own life of love into the heart, and because it is His life, it flows back to Him in love. We must be mindful that it is love to our neighbor which is spoken of in this text; but since love is of God, and one cannot love at all unless the love of God is in the heart, it follows that whoever loves his fellow-men must necessarily love God. If one does not love his fellowmen, it is an evidence that the love of God does not dwell in him. 1 John 3:17,18. “He that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" 1 John 4:20. The practical doctrine for all Christians was given to us by Jesus when he rebuked Peter; saying: "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matt. 26:52. Those who take the sword will not only die in this life, for all die; but those who take the sword which is carnal in nature, will perish by the second death spoken of in Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8. God Bless
The phrase in the Apostle's Creed is often translated as "He descended to the dead." The more common: "He descended into hell," is an unfortunate translation. In modern English, the word "hell" comes from the Danish "Hel." Hell, as we think about it today, is closer to the biblical concept of Gehenna or the Lake of Fire. The Creed indicates Jesus descended into Hades in the Greek, which is closely related to the Hebrew concept of Sheol. Biblically it's closely related to "the grave" or a place of holding pending the resurrection and judgement, rather than the place of eternal torment implied by the meaning of the modern English word, "hell." This distinction would go a long way to clarifying the misinterpretation of that creedal passage.
Give unto GOD what is GODs. Be humble and Yield to HIS understanding and DO NOT TAKE THE CLEAR TO DEFINE THE UNCLEAR but yield unto GOD what is GODs Business and NOT ours. You do NOT need to Know Everything. GOD will give us understanding in TIME not our time but in HIS time. Yield Yourself to GOD and JESUS.
Meant to add that He also took Paradise to Heaven with Him (and the saints). So now Hades is just Torment and where unbelievers go when they die and they and Hades will eventually be cast into Hell or the Lake of Fire.
From the cross Jesus said, “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.” Not into Hell.
YOU HAVE A VALID RESPONSE HERE. JESUS COULD NEVER HAVE COMMITTED HIMSELF TO THE FATHER AND THEN NOT SHOW UP.
It was my understanding that Jesus went into Abraham’s bosom to bring up the saints from Old Testament to paradise. Not exactly him descending to “hell” as in the place of torment, but he’s rescuing the captives in the sense of saved souls waiting on Christ’s atonement
This makes far more sense
That’s what I’ve always been taught.
Well the bosom was a place of shelter in hell. So he technically went to hell and preached to the soul’s because heaven wasn’t prepared yet
In the original language there were three words for what we call hell. I can remember how to spell them but you can look it up. One was a place of torment, one a place of punishment, and one paradise aka Abraham’s bosom. Remember when the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus with a drop of water for his tongue. But there’s a great divide that neither can cross. Lazarus was in the air conditioned side of hell called Abraham’s bosom or paradise. Jesus Christ was in paradise and brought the people there out and they are now in heaven. Nobody went to heaven before Jesus death and resurrection. They were in either the bad side or good side of hell. Animals were sacrificed before Jesus but Jesus Christ is the final sacrifice. Think of it like this, if your carpet has a stain, or sin, the animal sacrifice would be like throwing a rug over it to cover it but Jesus sacrifice washes the rug cleaner than new. The RUclips channel The Door explains where hell is pretty well cause it is inside the earth. Hope this helps. I’ll try and spell the 3 words for hell but I’ll have to sound it out lol. 2 bad are Haitis & Geina, Sheol which was the good one.
@@ualreadyknoitsyaboiremember the story of lazarus though
Jesus descended to Hades. You may remember in Luke 16 that Hades was split into two parts: Sheol (torment) and Abraham’s bosom (paradise). Up until that point though, no one had entered the true heaven, where God’s throne is. Jesus went to Hades, took the Old Testament saints to Heaven, and while he did it, proclaimed his victory over death to all in Sheol, including the demons in gloomy chains (1 Peter 3:19, 2 Peter 2:4). Old Testament saint could not enter the true Heaven until Jesus died because up until that point, their sins were only covered by animal sacrifice, not truly paid for by Christ yet.
Excellent explanation. Kudos
That is the way I was taught.
The problem with this statement is that in Luke 16, Jesus was talking in parables. He wasn’t being literal. He used know concepts like Sheol because he was speaking to Jews. But the central point of the the rich and Lazarus is to establish the realness of hell and how salvation is personal and not by works.
That parable is NOT actual account of how heaven and hell were structure.
God Bless you.
It's almost like it could be true that there was a place between Heaven and Hell. Sounds almost..Catholic! Hmmm!
@@glowlikejesus Jesus never gave people names in parables
When he said, "It is finished". Atonement for sin was paid.
Amen.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Another wonderul video as always, Mr. Friel! Keep up the good work!
I believe Jesus bore hell or more generally the wrath of God on the cross. Not after the cross.
I agree.
I also agree.
That's not what the Apostles Creed (or any Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglican) is saying though. In fact, believing Jesus went to hell to suffer is heretical according to the church fathers.
Jesus went to Hades, not hell.
Hades, or sheol in hebrew, is the realm of the dead.
Hell is not the Lake of Fire. Jesus went to "prison" 1Peter, or the "belly of the Earth" Matthew 12. You could infer Jesus went to hell to preach to the imprisoned souls. He wasn't cast into the lake of fire. The word hell is used very loosely and hades is a Greek word I believe, so I'm open to hearing some word studies on hell if anyone has any input.
The story Jesus tells about Lazarus and the rich man clearly shows paradise and heaven are not the same place.
We have to differentiate between the three compartments of Sheol (the land of the dead). Was it Abraham's bosom (paradise for the Old Covenant righteous), or was it Hades (Hell)? The other compartment was Tartarus which is a prison for the demons. All three compartments were there and I believe Jesus visited Abraham's Bosom
You got it right!!
Consider these verses with regard to the location of Hell (hades) and Paradise then and now.
In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said he would spend three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth.
In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus identifies a place called "Abraham's bosom" within eyesight of a place of torment called "hell" separated by a "great gulf."
In Luke 23:43 Jesus tells the thief that got saved that today he would join him in "paradise," not Heaven.
In I Peter 3:19 Peter says that Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison."
In Ephesians 4:8-10 Paul says that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth after his crucifixion and led "captivity captive" i.e. "a band of captives" when he ascended.
In John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary not to touch him because he has not yet ascended to "my Father."
In Matthew 27:52-54 we see that after the resurrection of Jesus, "many" of the resurrected saints wandered into Jerusalem and appeared to many.
So, let's compile the incidents on this issue based upon these passages. Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be in the "heart of the earth" for three days and three nights. He told the dying man next to him on the cross that he would join him there "this day." Jesus identified such a place (paradise) in Luke 16:19-31 within eyesight of hades. Peter tells us in I Peter 3:19 that Jesus preached to these captives ("spirits in prison"). When Jesus appeared to Mary in John 20, Jesus notified her in verse 17 that he had resurrected, but not yet ascended to Heaven. Paul said that Jesus led a band of captives when he descended (to receive them) and ascended in Ephesians 4:8-10. While leading this "band of captives" from "paradise" to Heaven, Jesus visited with Mary on earth prior to delivering these saints to their final destination. Some of these captives apparently had already taken an excursion into Jerusalem while Jesus was talking to Mary, according to Matthew 27:52-54.
If all of this seems to fit to you, then consider the following:
Paradise in the center of the earth has been evacuated.
Only the place of torments (Hell, hades) remains there. Hell will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14.
Those saints who died prior to the resurrection are now in Heaven, not paradise.
The rapture of I Thessalonians 4:15-18 and I Corinthians 15:51-53 will include only those in Christ since the resurrection.
Why was it necessary for the Old Testament saints to be held in "paradise" prior to the resurrection of Jesus?
The answer is found in Hebrews 11:39-40:
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Notice the condition of the Believer since the sacrifice of the cross:
I Corinthians 2:6, "Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:"
Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
II Tim. 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
In other words, our faith makes us "perfect" (Greek: telios - complete) in Christ Jesus, but that was not possible until the atoning sacrifice had been made on the cross. The Old Testament saints were made "perfect," but not until after the sacrifice that makes Believers today "perfect" also. Perfect here is used in the context of righteousness. Believers are made "righteous" or "perfect" in Christ as a result of his sacrificial death. That is why Hebrews 11:40 says that they (Old Testament saints) could not be made perfect "without us" or apart from us. At the point of the resurrection, all Believers (Old and New Testament) were perfected (regarded as righteous before God) through the sacrificial death of Jesus on the cross. In other words, our spiritual relationship with God is perfect
This was everything I wanted to write and more and I appreciate it. I think Mr Friel would also benefit from reading your comment at length as I think some of his points would disagree but I agree with your summation.
@@g.j.dutoit4447 excellent scripture references!
@@g.j.dutoit4447 thank you for the bible study. I knew this but didn't have all the SCRIPTURES .the Lord preached on hell 28 times Amen
@@SpiritLife Amen!
It would be helpful to make a distinction between Hell and Sheol. In the OT Sheol was the place of the dead. It had two compartments. Hades, where nonbelievers were, and paradise where Abraham's bosom was. So when Jesus says "today you will be with me in paradise" to the thief he was referring to Paradise in Sheol. When Jesus dies he did go into Hades not to continue his atoning work but to proclaim victory over the Spirits as in Noah's Day(Not human Spirits) but the demonic. When Jesus is resurrected he has defeated Sin, Death and Satan. He ascends to the Father where he is given a Kingdom by the Father and all those who trust in Him will be with Him in Paradise(Heaven). Hell refers to the Lake of Fire not Hades. Remember Hades is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation.
This is my take aswell
Todd is looking at this issue from a modern context and he doesnt understand what the terms even mean. People think the apostles creed teaches jesus went to hell and was burning. This is patently ridiculous and the reason early christians confessed christ descended to hades is because it is an important part of the historical context
@@pamphilus3652
You should always capitalize Jesus and Christ.
Well said.
For those who don't know where in the Bible Doug Dozier found the description of Sheol as
having two compartments (Hades (hell) and Abraham's bosom (paradise)) just go to Luke 16 : 19 - 31.
Jesus describes Sheol as two areas divided by a great chasm so no one can cross over from one side to the other.
I'm so glad you talked about this! At the back of my study bible theres a bunch of creeds and confessions and I was REALLY bothered by the "he descended into hell" line and have been struggling to justify it or figure it out for ages
I think that's the Apostle's Creed and, yeah, it's always bothered me, too.
What is “the lower parts of the earth” that He descended into, according to scripture? He did not answer that.
Jesus did not take people out of Hell where the rich man was just the part where Abrahams part, where Lazarus was, this was what was known as paradise. everything fits unlike he went to hell to surfer or went to be with the father both of which Denys scripture for the sake of mans doctrine, let scripture flow with scripture
@@seanthompson5077 Jesus went to go preach to the souls in prison in SHEOL, in the Old Testament the righteous and the wicked both went to SHEOL, until Jesus paid the full penalty of our sins.
I mean you read a Catholic book lol
My understanding: The thief on the cross would be with Christ in Paradise, yes. That does not mean Christ was not capable of going elsewhere afterwards. "Today" does not mean that tomorrow Jesus was not capable of traveling. He was dead for 3 days, after all.
Also, my understanding was Jesus went to the place of torment to proclaim to fallen angels that death had been defeated, NOT to preach the gospel in terms of saving new converts. He absolutely did not go and be tortured, but I believe those verses mean he went to proclaim victory over those that rebelled against God.
Paradise is apart of hades
@@Bigchickens do you have scripture to support that comment?
What about this verse? What did Jesus mean?
“For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”
Matthew 12:40
It could just mean, burial in the grave, heart of the earth lower earthly regions
Was taught at Youth With A Mission by a speaker that Jesus went to hell to pay for our sins there. Also same person said this “Did you know Jesus was the first born-again believer? No seriously.” Yeah…I left there about a month into it and came home. Shortly after that, I left the charismatic/NAR movement. I shared that with my grandmother and she just gasped and said “You mean to tell me they were teaching you that? Oh how horrible.” Needless to say, I don’t believe that He paid for our sins in hell.
"I tell you, this day you will be with me in paradise"
That kinda says it all.
“You will be with me in paradise today”
Or “I say to you today, you will be with Me in paradise”
@@PHILHAMILT0N Comma after the first you, not before today, in esv, niv, kjv etc,.
@@funnyNiel1217 no commas in Greek text :)
I totally love watching you man, your style is out of this world, keep doing it please and thank you Jesus for you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate your teaching and your interpretation of scripture. However, I am not 100 % with you on this issue. I will need to do my own deep dive into this because most of what you said would be contrary to my current understanding. Thanks so muck for challenging me to know the Whole Scripture.
I learned about it like this, I wanna know what your opinion is. So, Jesus suffered hell on earth. He paid for our sins through experiencing God's wrath, which was meant for us. On the cross, He said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” So, is it okay to think Separation from God is hell? Complete disconnection from God should be hell. As Jesus is an infinite being, he could experience an eternity of hell in 1 second if needed so I don't think the issue of the time he has suffered on earth is relevant.
To be clear, Jesus experienced hell? Yes. Did Jesus go to hell after death? No. That's all that I know as of now
@kermitiscool can you help me countering the reasons I have given?
@kermitiscool I've read psalm 22, what you've said made sense, that Jesus was telling everyone that the prophecies have been fulfilled.
@kermitiscool facts
I was literally just talking to my wife about this very subject, then I opened RUclips and this video was at the top of my recommendations. Providence can be downright spooky sometimes.
One thing to note, Jesus cries out "My God my God, why have you forsaken me?" Hell is God's judgement being poured out, Jesus did undergo a kind of separation that sinners would feel in hell
Even for Wretched this is more wronger than usual.
Paradise is not Heaven. Paradise was a region in Hades where the OT righteous went after death awaiting the Messiah to come.
The word Hell doesn’t always mean the place of eternal damnation. It was originally the English word that translated the Greek word “Hades” which, like Hebrew “Sheol” meant simply the “realm of the dead” where both the good & bad would end up. In the Creed the word “Hell” has this older, more expansive meaning.
The creedal statements of later Church councils are important because in fulfillment of Christ’s promise the Holy Spirit always guides His (true) Church into truth - and the Ecumenical Councils are historical iterations of the Spirit’s action. They never conflict with Scripture but rightly interpret Scripture.
When read in context (which Mr Friel fails to do), the verse is about Jesus descending in His soul into Hades/Sheol to preach to those who had died during the Flood: “For Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit. In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water (1 Peter 3:18-20).” The “he” who preached to the spirits is unambiguously the same “he” that was “put to death in the flesh” but “was brought to life in the spirit.” Jesus.
If “It is Finished” meant “Paid in full” as Friel claims, then it was finished while Christ was on the cross but before He had actually died! So here Friel shoots himself and his whole PSA soteriology in the foot 🦶 and makes Christ’s death superfluous. But Christ did not die to save “His sheep from God’s wrath.” He came to save us from sin. Big difference. What Christ finished was doing all that the Father had sent Him to do - John 4:34.
Friel is correct when he says it’s a heresy to say Jesus went to hell to suffer. Jesus did not go to Gehenna - the Hell of fire. He went to Hades/Sheol - the realm of the dead. So fortunately Friel isn’t completely wrong, just mostly wrong.
It is my understanding that “hell” is a translation of the word “hades” which is a translation of “Sheol”…Sheol has two sections, reference Luke 16, the rich man and Lazarus…the rich man is in the torment section of hell, hades, Sheol and Lazarus is in the section of Paradise or “Abrahams bosom” where I suspect all Old Testament saints resided until the resurrection of Christ. So when Jesus told the thief that he would see him in Paradise that adds up, he would see him Paradise which is Abraham’s bosom. I hold to the belief that is where Christ descended, to minister to the Old Testament saints and to bring them with him to the father at the resurrection. I didn’t realize there was some debate on this…Am I missing something on this? This video didn’t mention the verses I had seen where these links are made. Example Matthew 12 when Jesus refers to being in the belly of the fish and how Jonah describes his experience in the belly of the fish as being in Sheol…
I am reluctant to contradict the words of The creeds.
Everyone is dead until Jesus returns. There’s no going somewhere in between until that time.
Abraham's bosom is just that, Abraham's bosom. If you hold someone in your bosom, it means you're holding them close to your chest. All of the Old Testament saints are spiritually in heaven. The scripture is saying that Lazurus ascended to heaven to be with Abraham.
@@MikeCheckBiloxi wrong. They are awaiting the second resurrection as well.
@@cc3775 thank you for your comment, can you give us some references on why you believe this? I’ve always leaned on the verse from Paul’s letter to the church in Corinth, 2 Cor 6-8.
The way I always took it was that Christ went into Sheol, not hell the lake of fire, to bring the Old Testament saints with Him, while proclaiming His victory to the spirits who rebelled with against Him.
This makes far more sense
You are correct! Very correct. Be mindful of wrong doctrines out there!
I have no major disagreement with your observations and their interpretation. On the contrary, I totally agree with the premise and your Scriptural application in general. The only adjustment I would make is that the ideas of paradise and hell were a little different. We had the existence of Sheol, which we assume is in three divisions, i.e. Paradise, Hades, and the great gulf between the two. The paradise the thief descended into may have been the Paradise of Sheol and Jesus' visitation to this part of Sheol was to remove the righteous to a heavenly Paradise. This would still allow for His spiritual return to heaven before the physical return in Acts 1:8-9
. He preached to no unrighteous persons given another chance before being dumped into the lake of Fire, the second death, eternal fire. If I am correct hell is further divided into degrees (not Fahrenheit or celsius) but greater and lesser. The lesser is the place for all unjudged and unrepentant sinners called hades, and the greater suffering, into which hades is cast after the White Throne Judgment, is Gehenna, the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, the eternal place of eternal death. Sheol would compromise all the segments mentioned above. I have surmised that the great gulf may be synonymous with the abyss or bottomless pit wherein the fallen angels go and Satan is detained for a millennium. I agree, when He screamed out tetelestai from the cross the plan and payment of salvation were indeed finished. I have no disagreement with what you said in a very brief period of time. Keep up your good work and keep these videos coming.
In my mother tongue of Vietnamese, the word "hell" in the Apostle's creed was translated as "âm phủ", the place for all dead people (an Oriential idea similar to the idea of Hades, where the dead go and in some specific conditions, can return to the land of the living as in a spirit form known as soul or ghosts. Vietnamese has other words for "a final place of judgement for those who did evil" (the severity and types of punishment depending of the weight of sins and rhe specific deeds). It was quite helpful to grow up with Oriental culture as it makes understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity easier, like the idea of obedience to those in authorities, disadvantages of women in a broken world and the importance of the first born son.
1Pe 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
1Pe 3:19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison-
1Pe 3:20 those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
Thank you, Todd. That clears things up for me. As you always say, "Let's let scripture interpret scripture". That's all we need for spiritual wisdom and discernment.
Earth is THE HELL
MAYBE EARTH IS THE HEAVEN AFTER WE DIE AND EVAPORATE
@@alicewyborny6974 go sit in a church and eat the meat of the Word
I don't have a Biblical opinion on this, but I've heard reformed preachers preach that Jesus went to minister to the lost souls in hell, but they still rejected Him. As they will in the millennium. Where do we stand on that?
Being “devil’s advocate” here;
The “today” part could’ve been more like “I’m telling you TODAY, that you will be with me in Paradise”. Not “I tell you that you will be in Paradise with me TODAY”. The placement makes a difference.
Finished on the cross. This is a great conversation.
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Luke 23:46
I would for sure run from someone who teaches that Jesus atoned for sin in hell, but I don’t think someone is necessarily a heretic for believing that. It is mistaken and false, but it doesn’t seem to undo the gospel. The essential fact that a believer is trusting in the completed work of Christ, not their own work, remains unchanged. It is still finished, though they need to understand WHEN it was finished. Anyone disagree? I’ll hear you out.
Some scholars contend Paradise and Heaven are different. Paradise is being in the presence of the glorified God who is Jesus upon his death on the cross.
at 1:00 ...I was listening to a pastor who had Greek as his minor in seminary and he said "There are no commas in Greek" and that what Jesus said was I tell you this today...You will be with me in paradise. If that's true then it's not crystal clear.
Non calvanist, non arminian here. I really appreciate that you have the comments section open. Many of the most influential calvanists (james white, macarthur,etc) have their comments section closed and it hard to aid in correction when they are wrong.
And who is going to aid in their correction?
You bring up some great points, Good job! but what about the verse in Matthew 12:40? It is definitely a verse to consider but for the most part i think i’m on the side where Jesus didn’t descend to hell, and that’s mainly due to the verse where Jesus said “today, we shall be in paradise”. Anyways, whether you believe one side or not, it ultimately doesn’t really matter, just live your life in a way that pleases our Lord and Savior and trust and believe in him fully. Have a great day
Thank-you for this righteous teaching!!! Absolutely awesome!!!
Jesus didn't say after he was resurrected: "It is paid!", no He said it on cross. Therefore there is no reason for Jesus going to hell.
I had a person in my adult Bible study claim this just a few weeks ago. I was like, "wait..what?" I'll be better prepared the next time this comes up.
"I'll be better prepared the next time this comes up."
Make sure you also study what Todd here is calling paradise. What I picked up was that Todd was saying that paradise is heaven, where God's throne is. Go look up Luke 16:19-31. Jesus is telling us some aspects, of paradise, of Abraham's bosom, of Sheol. If Todd was in error on this what else was he in error of?
Many thanks for uploading this video.
It was my understanding after hearing a sermon from rc sproul that Jesus paid for the sin of all those who believed when he was in the 3 hours of darkness on the cross. This is why he cried out “Father why have you forsaken me”. At that moment he was separated from the Father and in a terrible punishment for our sins. There in those 3 hours of darkness he paid for and suffered the eternal punishment for all those who believed. I could be wrong but that is my understanding of this topic.
I hate listening to something Good and then seeing all self righteous and "Im the authority on this subject matter" comments and disagreements below the video. I wish they would just shut the comments down and let people go to Scripture and earnestly seek God's wisdom in these matters!
Truly I say to to you,(coma) today you will be with me in paradise…
Truly I say to today,(coma) you will be with me in paradise
All depends on that coma that actually doesn’t exist in old languages 🤷🏼♂️
Thank you for this video, I got the clarity I needed! Keep up the good work ! I thank the Lord for you!
Atheists who think they are smart will see during the judgement day.
Not because we Christians are good.
NO.
but because We have repented and trusted IN Jesus' finished work at the cross.
What about the fact that there is a possibility that the comma has been misplaced in Luke 23:43 as some teaches?
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you *,* today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you today *,* you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Luke 23:43
I think where the confusion comes in, is there were 2 parts of hell. Hell as we think of it and paradise, where the old testimemt saints went. We can see this in psalms where David says "leave my soul not in hell O' Lord." The 2 parts of hell are also alluded to in the parable of the rich man in hell, where we see paradise and hell, with a great gulf between them. Now did Jesus physically go to the paradise part of hell to get the old testiment saints or did he just bring them to heaven with a waive of his hand? This I cant say for sure, but my guess is he went there physically and the reason I say this are a few other versus in Psalms and a few more in the new testament. Either way, this isnt a hill Im willing to die on, I think we'll only know for sure, when we Jesus us tells us about it one day.
Very nicely explained. Thanks for that.
Yes, everything must be held to scripture. That’s the idea behind the church’s confessions which have been around since a whole lot longer than any of our “personal interpretations” which mean nothing. I’m not sure why I should trust this man’s interpretation of scripture (in spite of the plain words) over the Apostle’s Creed which was in fact upheld by scripture…
The comma in Luke 23 makes all the difference: “I say to you, today you will be with Me” vs “I say to you today, you we’ll be with Me”
Jesus descended into Sheol, in Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise, where the Penitent Thief would have gone) and ministered to all the souls there, and brought them to Heaven.
This just crossed my mind today, thanks for posting Todd and wretched
3:04 As sometimes in writing out Scripture, things were inserted, such as punctuation, in translation. So is it really, "I tell you truly TODAY, you will be with Me in Paradise," or "I tell you truly, TODAY you will be with Me in Paradise"? In other words, is the "today" the day Jesus is telling the man or is it the day the man will be with Jesus in Paradise?
The biggest issue is the heresy inherent in the punishment theory. If Jesus was punished you either need to split the trinity or you need to separate the naures of Christ. Either option leads to heresy.
While I agree with your position. Something that bothers me is that there is more than one verse and another that troubles me about preaching to those in prison... What about "baptism for the dead" in 1 Cor 15:29?
Jesus told the thief he would be with Him today in paradise. He didn’t say Hell. Beyond that, Jesus is Lord. He is omnipresent. He is everywhere. To say he is in one place or went to one place when he left his earthy body isn’t saying enough of His Glory and Power.
i’m not convinced he went to hell, but i could see someone arguing that his saying “it is finished” was more of a “the fatal wounds are here, so now i will die and then go to hell”. in other words, he hadn’t technically died yet when he said “it is finished”. any thoughts?
"It is finished" is translated from the Greek "tetelestai". The word was specifically used by creditors when they were completely repaid a debt by their debtors. Jesus was proclaiming that the debt was paid and judgement upon Satan was cast. Thereby, salvation was made manifest by the blood of Christ (and sealed for eternity by the resurrection).
Since I was a kid, I was told that Jesus went to hell to take the keys to hell. I still don't know exactly what that means or where in the Bible this is found.
I think "descended into the Earth" is like Ecclesiastes asking whether the spirit of an animal ascends to Heaven and the spirit of a man descends into the Earth.
The claim is that Jesus went to Hades( ᾍδης) not the eternal place of punishment. And it is discussed in the gospels at the Transfiguration. Christ speaks to Moses and Elijah about the exodus Ἔξοδος he is about to accomplish. Meaning he is about to lead the righteous dead out of Death.
Beautiful this
I wonder how the people who were raised from the dead when He died and proclaimed Jesus as God fit into this?
John MacArthur explained that Jesus DID descend into hell.
Just thinking here…
We often say that Jesus took the punishment that was due us. The punishment that was due us is hell. Hell is often understood as “eternal separation from God”. Does it not stand to reason, then, that when we say “Christ took the punishment that was due us”, we are saying “Christ suffered eternal separation from God (I understand the complexities of the Trinity here…)? If Jesus was just dying a physical death on the cross, why would He be sweating blood in anticipation? No one wants to die, of course, but He KNEW He would be resurrected. I’ve thought deeply about this…and still haven’t settled it.
It honestly makes sense that everything got paid on the cross, Jesus didn’t pay for our sins in hell. It really is that simple!
I have been taught that "I tell you today," is like a figure of speech similar to when Jesus said "verily verily I say to you" and that the thief on the cross as well as everyone else who is in the death Jesus calls "sleep" on this earth will wait until the resurrection to join Him in paradise. Thoughts?
Jesus was saying TODAY the thief would be with him in paradise. Paul also said he wished to "depart and be with Christ" in Philipians 1:23-24. There are some good vids on RUclips explaining all the verses that show soul sleep is unbiblical.
@@tiptupjr.9073 Could you share a link?
Well done, Todd. I much prefer the Nicene Creed.
The object of verse 20 is verse 19’s “spirits” - the fact remains, that Christ still descended into the heart of the earth, which the verse describes as containing (at least) a prison for spirits.
Now, when you account for the story Jesus gave of the Rich man and Lazarus, you understand more about the layout of the heart of the earth: two sides affixed between a chasm. One side is a place of reservation for the damned unto the day of judgement (hell, hades, etc), the other is paradise (Abraham’s bosom) in which OT faithful were held in reserve waiting for the shedding of the blood of Jesus and the power of His Resurrection.
“Today you will be with me in paradise”
That same day (and leading up to the third day) Christ journeyed DOWNWARD to the heart of the earth - AFTER Christ arose from the heart of the earth he went to his own for a short time and told them not to touch him because he had NOT gone to the Father yet. Coincidentally, graves were opened up and those resurrected saints walked the holy city before going up to heaven (NOT “paradise”). Dismas did not go to where the Father is (Heaven) the same day Jesus went down - Jesus HIMSELF hadn’t gone to the Father for at LEAST three days later.
Christ the Spirit descended while His body lay in the tomb - he (his spirit) descended, his body lay in the tomb. When the spirit returned to the earth it went back into his body, and then short after that his whole being returned to the Father. As did the others who were separated from their bodies due to DEATH, and then followed suit in their resurrection.
Stop being a Papist.
Perhaps the captives were those whose souls reposed in Abraham's Bosom (Paradise), which was adjacent to Hell and in the lower parts of the Earth (Luke 16:19-31)? And, perhaps when Jesus' preaching for three days was completed, at His resurrection, there followed those OT saints whose faith was accounted unto them as righteousness were then freed from captivity in Abraham's Bosom (Matthew 27:52-53)? Just asking.
Remember also on the cross, there was a separation. Jesus said he was forsaken. So there's no way he could have gone to heaven after being forsaken. He died the death of a sinner so his punishment was hell. When a person commits a great offense, he goes to prison, in essence Jesus went to hell. So the three-day event was his mission of rescue to the old time saints who believed in a promissory note which included: Abraham, Noah, Abel, Enoch, e.t.c because they were in hell (the place of the dead). Remember in the book of John, Jesus said:
John 3:13
[13]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
No one was in heaven prior to the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus made a way out not just for the old time saints but also for us.
Jesus communicating in a parable also gives us a glimpse into where Abraham was:
Luke 16:19-31
[19]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Abraham was in Hell
Hell here was referring to the place of the dead. So Jesus sacrifice brought a way for man to access heaven.
Also to add that to say Jesus went heaven straightaway is not consistent because what would have he been doing three days in paradise?
Ask yourself this question. Was he chilling?
What exactly was he doing?
I gotta love shout outs to Ken Ham!
7:30 What he says here does not follow what He told Mary at the tomb, "do not touch me, for I have yet to ascend." If it was fully finished *AT* *THAT* *SPECIFIC* *POINT* on the cross the why was there need for Him to hold back Mary right after coming out of the grave. He still had *ONE* more work to do, and think about the actual Levitical priesthood ritual of atonement. He had yet to ascend to apply the blood of The Spotless Lamb on the mercy seat of God.
This was so informative. Never seen it like this
1 Peter 3 : 19 says that Jesus preached to those who were in prison because they formerly did not obey when God's patience Waited in the days of Noah
Our LORD was not in hell (hades is the realm of the dead), HE said to the thief: today you will be with me in paradise!
When Jesus said to the thief in Luke 23:43 'verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in paradise', it can be read in one of two ways. The first is that paradise would be entered that same day. The second is that whatever Jesus was saying about paradise he was saying it unto him that day or today. The thief had asked 'remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom' which the thief would assume was at a future time. So when Jesus said 'today' he might have meant: 'I don't need to wait until I come into my kingdom to remember you, I'll tell you right now, today, that you will be with me at that time.
This second understanding fits in with Jesus not ascending to his father until after his resurrection, and also accords with Bible teaching that the person has no consciousness after death (Ecc 9:5, Ps 6:5, Ps 115:17). In John 11 when Lazarus died, Mary acknowledged that he would rise again at the last day, and not that he was in heaven. If he had gone to heaven he would have been disappointed to have to return again to mortality four days later when Jesus raised him from the dead.
An eye opening teaching.
Thank you.
He said TODAY you will be with me in paradise! :)
Interestingly, TODAY might very well have meant just a DAY, and so one would still have to account for the two remaining DAYS. Just saying...
Yeah... but time in Heaven doesn't exactly work like time on earth...
@@kanekane1805 Jesus wouldn’t have said today you’ll be with me in paradise then disappear the next day into hell 😂
@@mariabean1786 Well, Maria Bean, there is no way we could possibly know for sure that that didn't happen now (descended into Hell either on that DAY or the NEXT), could we?
@@jessszabo5049 Certainly. Even so, that does not take us very far now, does it Jess? I readily confess the question admits of two interpretations. My only concern is that the preacher seems to enjoy the kind of confidence in his interpretation of the question which is clearly not justified by the text of the Bible...
What about these verses 1Pe 3:18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
1Pe 3:19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison-
1Pe 3:20 those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
No mentions of Origen or Chrysostem debating over this very stuff? This is nothing new, but does edify the thoughts of those trying to comprehend Jesus in their contextual world.
My studies lead me to believe Jesus went to paradise which is where the saints were to testify to them and bring them out of there to be with Him in heaven. The story of the beggar and Lazarus Is helpful for me. Lazarus was in hell and the beggar was in paradise also known as Abrahams bosom.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40
some preachers claim that paradise was a part of hell where believers went before the Cross, Jesus descended their to lii oh liberate them and bring them to heaven
I used to be so small,
Smaller than a flea's flea.
Then my parents fell in love,
And made me be me.
Then I lived the life,
The life of me,
With sometimes happiness and boredom,
With sometimes sadness
and glee.
One day I grew too old to play.
And then one day I went away.
Don't visit my grave.
I'm not there.
That's not me.
I've gone back to being so small.
Smaller than a flea's flea.
After my grave,
I will not be identified as a flea.
Nor be as busy as a bee.
Nor struggle with strife and lust,
For Christ will have satisfied my thirst!
I will look back at my sadness and boredom,
Then look ahead with happiness and glee.
For then I will see,
That my presence in my past life was not small,
For a soul is immortal,
And that gold was being refined with fire.
Now I will have a new body,
And be identified as a new creation.
For corruption has past away,
And I will have put on Christ's robe of righteousness.
Paid by an infinite value on the cross.
All this, gifted freely by grace.
Behold, eternal life awaits!
Just wondering. Is Paradise the same as Heaven? Or is it a peaceful place of preparation before joining the Lord God in Heaven.
Also I read in Revelation that Hell and Death are cast into the lake of fire. Yet many people seem to believe that Hell is the lake of fire!
I’m ready to be enlightened please. 🇬🇧
Am not certain why the description of Paradise given by Jesus in Luke !6:19-31( adjacent to hell ) was ignored here but , others on here have commented on this at length so I shouldn't have to elaborate much . Either Todd is unaware of this view or is merely leaving it out since he finds it somehow unacceptable .
Thank you for clearing this up. I've been believing just this for a Loong time now due to some teachers I've listened to 💀 I didn't even know I've been committing heresy this whole time-
He left out Luke 16:22 and Mathew 12: 39.
Believing that Jesus descended into this prison, whether or not its hell, as I do, is not heresy. It IS a controversial subject but it is not heresy. The heresy would be what Copeland, Meyers and others teach, and that would be that Jesus was tortured in Hell. Todd is misrepresenting/misunderstanding this subject. How could Jesus go to the prison where spirits who were disobedient in the time of Noah dwelt, during the time of Noah? If that's the case, those spirits would not yet be in prison. The context of that verse is pretty clearly after his death and before his resurrection. It's also entirely possible that Jesus could go to this prison and be in paradise that day with the thief as Jesus, being God, is not exactly bound by our rules of time and space. When reading scripture let the text speak. When we subject scripture to our reason and only believe what we can explain, we are putting God to the test by saying that his words can only be accepted if they always make sense, and that is dangerous. There are mysteries in scripture, and we are not given to know those things.
This piece of doctrine is not salvific, true, so it's of less import than, say, the Deity of Jesus. Still, we need to be careful and let scripture stand as it is, and not try to force confusing passages into something we can understand. I'm not one for throwing out historic creeds, even though Todd is right that the creeds are under scripture, not the other way. These creeds have stood for a very long time, and are a very succinct way of explaining the major points of Orthodox Christian Doctrine, these creeds being, specifically, the Nicene Creed, the one he is referring to, the Apostles Creed and the Athanasian Creed. Don't be afraid of them.
To say Christ went to hell is completely idiotic to believe, if you believe that the price for sin is everlasting torment then Christ should be there right now suffering eternal hellfire
As scripture tells us plainly, Jesus descended down into Paradise to preach to all the OT people who followed God so they could/could not receive Him.... He NEVER descended into Hell!!
Wait he descended to paradise? Scripture doesn’t say that at all. Jesus was dead for 3 days.
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return" Genesis 3:19
Thou (God) takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust" Psalms 104:29
“The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence.”
Psalm 115:17 ESV
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do. Let your garments be always white. Let not oil be lacking on your head. Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vain life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”
Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 ESV
“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
Daniel 12:2 ESV
“Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”
John 5:28-29 ESV
““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have eternal life.”
John 3:16 ESV
“yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.”
James 4:14 ESV
“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16 ESV
Serious question...is Jesus no longer omnipresent in His resurrection? Why could He not be in both places whether hell or elsewhere?
I think it is a stretch to say this verse in Peter 3:18-19 is talking about Jesus going to the people in Noah's day. As you always say, "context, context, context" "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" This is obviously talking about the crucifixion. It does not say anything about going back to the days in Noah, and made proclamation to the "people" who where once disobedient, but to the spirits in prison, who were once disobedient in the days of Noah. Jesus having giving His human form on the cross, now in the Spirit, capable of being anywhere all at once, if He so chooses. Love you brother, but God is super, supernatural and goes where ever He wants.
Hades, which is Greek, or Sheol, which is Hebrew, have two different parts which are known as Paradise and hell. When Jesus was crucified, he died, went to Hades, which has two sides to it, and then was risen from the dead.
Heaven was not available to anyone that had died before Christ resurrection. That is the reason why they went to Paradise and then after Jesus was resurrected, everyone was transferred to heaven. The reason for this is because Jesus has not died yet for anyone sins; therefore, no one was allowed into heaven before Jesus was resurrected. God would not allow anyone from earth to enter heaven until their sins were paid for by Jesus the Christ.
if the payment for our sin is hell , did not Jesus pay the entire price, then ?
It is a problem for calvanism but is it for simple, biblical christianity. Romans 10:14How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
Help my confusion here.. why would christ have to die if Gods wrath was satisfied at the moment he says "it is finished"
I'm thinking that's the moment the Father had completely turned on the Son and imputted all the sins onto him, but the punishment hadn't been given out yet. So why wouldn't he be sent to hades after that?
I don’t know if He was in hell or not, but just because He was in paradise that day He was crucified has no bearing on whether He was in hell at all during those three days and nights between His crucifixion and resurrection. He could easily be in two different places on any day. Even I can do that.
Is it OK for Christians to have weapons to protect his family??
Yes.
To protect from animals yes, but we are to harm no man.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 Amen. the Bible says Thou shalt not kill. Or hate. However would it not be most loving for both your family and an "attacker"(im really tired) to physically ambush the attacker without badly hurting him physically? Like I'm totally for nonresistance but I don't wanna prioritize a technicality over protecting someone's life. Seems insane for example to not break up a fight where someone is being killed because you don't want to physically harm or fight anyone. Just wondering what you think I don't have a strongly formulated opinion. Hopefully this makes sense im descending into post-chanceofgettingdecentamountofsleep right now
@@Vitamortis. Luke 22:36. Jesus tells his disciples to s3ll thier cloaks and buy a sword...why tell them that if not for self defense? I will not stand idly by and watch if someone needs help especially my family. Do what you want friend but protection of life is important and necessary at times.
@@Vitamortis. "Love worketh no ill to his neighbor;" and no philosophy can ever make it appear that it does a man any good to kill him.
When the soldiers asked John the Baptist what they should do, as followers of the Lamb of God to whom he pointed, he replied, "Do violence to no man." Luke 3:14.
These soldiers were soldiers in service as seen from the margin of the Revised Version, and the margin also gives as the alternative rendering of John's answer, "Put no man in fear."
Love never does any harm to anybody; but love is active since it is the life of God; therefore love is always doing good.
Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, "went about doing good."
So how is it possible for anybody to fulfil the law? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Therefore this love is possible to man only as God dwells in the heart. "The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." Rom. 3:5.
Love is of God, and that is why love is the fulfilling of the law of God. The Holy Spirit puts God's own life of love into the heart, and because it is His life, it flows back to Him in love.
We must be mindful that it is love to our neighbor which is spoken of in this text; but since love is of God, and one
cannot love at all unless the love of God is in the heart, it follows that whoever loves his fellow-men must necessarily love God.
If one does not love his fellowmen, it is an evidence that the love of God does not dwell in him. 1 John 3:17,18.
“He that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" 1 John 4:20.
The practical doctrine for all Christians was given to us by Jesus when he rebuked Peter; saying: "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matt. 26:52.
Those who take the sword will not only die in this life, for all die; but those who take the sword which is carnal in nature, will perish by the second death spoken of in Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8.
God Bless
Good Friday was on Thursday?
I think you’re wrong on this 😅 The verses are very clear.
The phrase in the Apostle's Creed is often translated as "He descended to the dead." The more common: "He descended into hell," is an unfortunate translation. In modern English, the word "hell" comes from the Danish "Hel." Hell, as we think about it today, is closer to the biblical concept of Gehenna or the Lake of Fire. The Creed indicates Jesus descended into Hades in the Greek, which is closely related to the Hebrew concept of Sheol. Biblically it's closely related to "the grave" or a place of holding pending the resurrection and judgement, rather than the place of eternal torment implied by the meaning of the modern English word, "hell." This distinction would go a long way to clarifying the misinterpretation of that creedal passage.
They say Jesus was burning in hell for 3 days? 🤦🤦🤦🤦🙄
Give unto GOD what is GODs. Be humble and Yield to HIS understanding and DO NOT TAKE THE CLEAR TO DEFINE THE UNCLEAR but yield unto GOD what is GODs Business and NOT ours. You do NOT need to Know Everything. GOD will give us understanding in TIME not our time but in HIS time. Yield Yourself to GOD and JESUS.
Question, when Jesus says Today you will be with me in Paradise that Paradise was not Heaven? Maybe a lower level?
Meant to add that He also took Paradise to Heaven with Him (and the saints). So now Hades is just Torment and where unbelievers go when they die and they and Hades will eventually be cast into Hell or the Lake of Fire.