[Analysis] Are Celestia and Luna natural-born Alicorns?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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There's two reasons why celestia said what she said
1. They were born before equestria existed
Or
2. They didn't live in equestria
I'm sorry if I screwed something up I'm not good at canon and theory stuff but good job on the video =3
I also wrote this in the middle of the video so if you I said something you said I wasn't finished with the video XD
Yeah they were born before Equestria existed
YKTV RH theres nothing that backs that up
Husbandpumpkin they said it is even beyond their own understanding
Techno Dark idk dude I made this comment 4 years ago lol
all i have to say is Lauren Faust said they were natural alicorns
fr lol.
yes, but as Sawtooth waves said, Lauren cant just comment something into canon. Since the princesses said that the birth of an alicorn has never been seen in the show, that means this fact is canon.
@@galaxythedragonshifter did you watch the video 💀
@@nebbynebula3744 I did watch the video. Altho that comment I wrote a whole month ago, so I don't remember it that well. Bit from my understanding, the books are sometimes canon and sometimes aren't. It's really iffy. Like in one episode, it mentioned that the Ponypalooza party actually happened, so "Pinkie pie and the Rockin Ponypalooza party" is canon. In the show, as I said, Celestia and Luna said that the birth of an alicorn had never been seen let alone heard of. And Sawtooth waves said that Lauren can't just "comment" something into canon.
If I can think of one more thing to add to this theory is maybe the reason why the "two sisters" said those things about Flurry Heart is maybe because they've been away from their own kind for a really long time and probably don't remember much about there kind.
well duh.Fandom didn't call First Generation of Equestria "Dark Ages" for no purpose.Logic.
The book also proves canon that Zecora is not the only zebra! Ahhh!!!
i still like the theory that flurry heart isn't an alicorn and is missing the earth pony side of the trio since cadence was a pegasus gifted with both and shining armour had unicorn magic those traits would show through strongest.
if you noticed Luna looked at celestia at celestia looked at Luna they were both frowning probably not trying to spoil a secret. I didn't watch the whole thing yet.
This video desperately needs to get out to the Bronies who hate the S6 premiere because of this controversy, because it describes the situation perfectly.
That was pretty much my goal with this. :D
Excellent analysis! Assuming _The Journal of the Two Sisters_ to be not just canon, but show-canon, then you've nicely summarized the issue. Further, I would love it if they did make in-show references to further support idea of the information from the _Journal_ being show-canon ... but, even without an explicit in-show reference, I don't see any reason to discount it's information when it so nicely resolves the questions raised by the premier.
Also, on the subject of Alicorns, I also loved how in the premier the thousand-plus year old decorative Amphora which Spike and Twilight had been using to research what was involved with a Crystalling clearly showed that both the mother and the Crystaller were Alicorns. I wonder who these ancient Alicorns were. Perhaps they were some of the Alicorns who raised Celestia and Luna, as mentioned in the _Journal?_ It would be interesting if it were!
Ah, this show has so much interesting lore and lore-possibilities! I always like it when they explore such things. It'd be great to get a couple of "ancient history" episodes! At least, I know I'd enjoy it.
+Loquacious of Herd You mean that Greek-looking urn? Yeah, I just briefly commented on that in my reaction. The engravings on it showed what were clearly Cadance, Shining Armor, Twilight, Flurry Heart, etc., so if it was an ancient relic, it basically amounted to a prophecy. However, it didn't actually come true, because the urn showed Twilight fulfilling that role, but Sunburst ended up being the crystaller.
But yeah, I kinda wish I had at least voiced the question of what the heck happened to all the rest of the Alicorns, just seemed like that would go too off-topic for this video. It's interesting to note that Luna and Celestia played in the hills of Canterlot (which was apparently named as such prior to Equestria's founding), but doesn't say that that's actually where they or any of the other Alicorns lived. Also, given that they were unfamiliar with Unicorn magic, it seems like the Alicorns were a rather isolated race. Perhaps they mostly lived in some far off land, or at least have since moved there following the founding of Equestria.
Ooh, I actually JUST had a new thought. There is information in the journal that suggests that Alicorns are not immortal, but just age differently, which I believe essentially means that they have longer life spans. What just connected with that in my mind is another bit of information which states that Luna and Celestia actually receive power from the sun and moon as they raise and lower them, as opposed to being drained of magical power like Star Swirl and the other unicorns that used to perform the task. Based on that, I now believe that the acts of moving the sun and moon are providing them with energy that is effectively making them immortal. If they were to pass on those tasks to other Alicorns (and we know other Alicorns can do it, since Twilight did it in the S4 finale), Celestia and Luna may very well resume aging, and eventually pass away.
+Applegeek interesting. hadn't thought about that.
+Applegeek While the engravings on the urn were _very much like_ Cadence, Shining Armor, Twilight, and Flurry Heart, I am not inclined to believe it was some sort of prophecy -- rather I believe it likelier that, as is sometimes the case in such urns, the artist went with figures that were more symbolically representative than actual portraits of the -people- ponies involved. So not Cadence, but some other Alicorn princess of love and beauty; not Shining Armor but some other Unicorn prince of might and heroism, not Princess Twilight but some other Alicorn princess of magic and friendship -- so it's natural that on seeing that trio, our first thought is "that looks rather like Cadence, so it must be her!" and so on.
Further if the ancient urn was intended to be a prophecy it was wrong on two important points: Twilight wasn't the Crystaler and (more importantly) the Urn shows the baby as Unicorn, not as an Alicorn. The Urn-baby is never shown with wings, only wrapped in cloth. More to the point, if it was intended to be some sort of prophecy, it's quite odd that neither Twilight nor Spike spoke of it as such -- all we know for sure is that they turned it up when they were doing research on Crystallings.
As a result, I'm inclined to believe that, rather than some sort of "prophecy of events to come," the urn was exactly what it appeared to be: a _historical record_ of a time in the Crystal Empire when an Alicorn Princess (depicted as "classically beautiful") and her Unicorn husband (depicted as "classically handsome") had a Unicorn baby (depicted as "classically cute") and got another Alicorn (depicted as "classically scholarly") to be the Crystaler. Which leads me to be quite curious as to who those two ancient Alicorns were!
+Loquacious of Herd Hmm, I actually hadn't studied the urn that closely, so that's interesting. Oh, another interesting piece of historical information from the journal is that there were many smaller kingdoms ruled by kings, queens, and princesses within the three tribes (races) around what is now Equestria, and they all had to agree to unite under the Alicorn princesses' rule. That included Princess Amore, the first ruler of the Crystal Empire, who was in power when Celestia and Luna were crowned. Based on what you said, I wondered if that was who was on the urn, but she was only a Unicorn, not an Alicorn, unless she became an Alicorn later on, which there is no record of to my knowledge.
Oh, and of course we still don't know if there are male Alicorns or not. If there aren't, then that would mean that Alicorns were indeed originally either born from parents of the other races, or ascended in some fashion. Thinking about it from that perspective, and knowing they had their own unique magic and culture, that brings to mind an image of a society similar to that of the Amazons from Greek mythology, which is a rather interesting possibility, especially given the appearance of that urn. ^_~
I don't really think that the fact about Alicorns being not immortal is cannon.Because Luna and Amore didn't use power of the sun to become immortal.
As it is all fan theory for a lot on this, i have come across a fan who had found evidence in one of the books stating that Cadence was born a pegasus, and at some point confronted a changeling with a necklace that amplified its hate, but when Cadence went near it, it amplied her love which was so powerful it caught Celestia's attention, hence forth meeting and adopting Cadence as her niece. So there is a possibility that the royal sisters could possibly have been born Pegasi, but because they were born from alicorn parents, they could have gone to an alicorn school to reach the point of earning their horns, especially if it was a school specifically for alicorn foals.
While I have to say that I doubted your theory at first - you know, "but mah headcanon!" - you convinced me at the 5:40 Journal entry. The previous ones were a bit vague and could be reasonably doubted if one thinks Celestia and Luna are ascended Pegasi, thus explaining their wings; this would also explain why they aren't familiar with Unicorn magic as stated in the aforementioned Journal entry. However, in the same entry, the statement about them having learned _Alicorn magic_ and referring to it as "our ways" is pretty strong evidence. So you got me there.
My Theory: Like the Elements,Celestia and Luna were born from the Tree of Harmony. This wouldn't make them born Alicorns (which they've never seen til recent) or Transitioned into alicorns.It would also explain their seeming immortality. Question is...Where did the Tree of Harmony come from?popular theory on fanfiction....is that it's a portion of the power of a fanon Alicorn called Harmony...aka,their mother. Basically think Creation Goddess even Discord would be careful around.
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I personally believe that Celestia and Luna's immortality comes from the power they receive from the sun and moon, as noted in the journal. As for the origin of the Tree of Harmony, yeah, that's a tough one. There's literally nothing to go on for that in terms of canon material, be it the show, the books, anything.
ACTUALLY- the two young unicorn sister that raised the sin and the moon and took the weight of the power from the other unicorns. They were then, like Twilight, were surrounded by the unicorns, Pegasus, and earth ponies and their love for the two sisters. This is how they earned their wings and their cutie marks.
Starswirl disappeared to limbo but left a seed that grew into the tree of harmony if celestia and Luna were born out of the tree starswirl would never have met them and it states in the journal that he trained them to become rulers of equestria I think sometime after the coronation the pillars banished the pony of shadows and disappeared
I love this video. I don't know if the journal is cannon, but I like how you still explained it even without the journal. You're really good at citing evidence and using previous established cannon to state a theory. Keep up the good work! :)
Brilliant Sir! And I believe the show will directly address the origins of Alicorns, perhaps in the Season Finale, as it was stated by the staff that the decision to even make Flurry Heart born an Alicorn was "from a storytelling perspective". So, the decision didn't come from Hasbro but from the team. So I fully anticipate that we will get some more information on Celestia' and Luna's history and Alicorn origins supplemental to what is already revealed about them in The Journal of the Two Sisters.
+XyKP1fan If that will be their season finale, I'm gonna flip and bawl with joy!
I really wish they had done that.
You know the real problem with figuring out the truth of it all is that all the information we have is written by a dozen different people. Writers that work on the show, writers that work on the books. writers that work on the comics, etcetera. And all of them have a slightly different view or different ideas. The only way to get one definitive answer without plotholes and other blank spots is for one single person to write all the lore. And since that wont ever happen we will always be stuck without a difinitive answer. And no amount of fancy theories and analisys is gonna fix that. >_>
Well, I don't know about never getting a definitive answer, but you're right in that it's challenging to maintain consistency and continuity when multiple writers are involved. The same can be said for any TV series though, not just this show, and it's even challenging for long-running stories written by the same person, because there are so many bits of trivia that have to be kept track of in order to not mix up the details.
I LOVE the mystery behind these two sisters! That's why Celestia and Luna are my favourite characters, them and Twilight of course.
so maybe they weren't born in aquestria!
THANK YOU for putting this out there. I never got why people insisted on being confused about it, but this should help clear things up once and for all.
Heh, well one could hope, but there will always be wild theories. Oh well, makes for fan fic material I guess.
It's something EQUESTRIA has never seen before. They were NOT from equestria. They were born alicorns that's why start swirl chose them. They were born alicorns.
ya they never said i or we
No they aren't. They clearly said that it was beyond their OWN KNOWLEDGE.
They have never seen it either.
Annalei Jobson they are not from EQUESTRIA, and never seen alicorn birth that didn't happen between two alicorn.
I Think Your RIght!
Did U Even Watch The Video!?
I believe its safe to say that from Equestria point of view there was never a birth of an Alicorn considering that the land was separated into 3 tribes. So it would be a mystery to how Alicorns will be born outside there Stat of Origin. Its possible that as Celestia and Luna were growing up there may have encountered Alicorns being born naturally within there own race. All the Tv series writers have to do now is explain the Origin of Alicorns, and how it is possible to have a Alicorn Baby in the Land of Equestria.
Also, isn't it cool how that alicorn cutie mark tidbit implies that natural-born alicorns have inherently more complex destinies? Since being more mature gives you a chance to take interest in more complex things.
Flurry heart first alicorn with alicorn mom and aunt
Uh maybe it's not to their understanding because they've never seen an natural born alicorn because of when they were born they didn't see themself being born the parents and doctors did? Maybe?!
omg finally someone understands that they were
Apparently they volunteered to raise the moon and sun every day and the ponies appreciated that and because of that Celestia and Luna became alicorns
you're good at analysis videos
+Lilith Booth Thanks! I know it's not perfect, but I figured what the heck, might as well give it a shot. ^_^
Applegeek Fandom already proved that Celestia,Luna and Starswirl the bearded are the only members of first generation of equestria.Twilight made bunch of references to first generation.She mentioned that Starswirl was father of Omniomorphic spell and prophet of pre classical era in Season 2 episode 5 or 7 i think.And then Twilight mentioned about some Queen in season 3 premiere.I'm not really trying to say what i want.Because the myth about "Dark ages" is fandom's legend.And... About Alicorns.It's already proved that Alicorns were race of royal ponies.Because only Alicorns were able to deffend equestria.Fandom is not sure from who,but it has a big and suspicious theory that it's Tartarus.
i agree
Yes! Finally, I don't have to stress myself with these questions that kept on hammering onto my head. Thank you so much, Applegeek! Let this be watched by the rest of the bronies! ^_^
+Ghenesa Paulma I'm glad I was able to relieve some stress for you. Many points could still be argued, so this is still arguably just my own head canon, but it seems to make sense. I definitely recommend that you buy and read the whole journal, as there's lots of very interesting information in there beyond what's covered in this video.
That's right kiddies now please calm down great analysis applegeek I enjoy it a lot :D
+Tsuria Dragon Thanks!
I’m sorta confused on when Luna said they would run around in Canterlot? Cause this is what I’ve assumed for a while is that after Luna was banished celestia had made canterlot cause it seemed like canterlot came after the castle of the two sisters, so I’m kinda confused now oof
i agree 100% the part where princess celestia and luna where born before the founding of the equestria cause in season 2 episode 11 they reenact the founding of equestria where unicorn are the one who are raising the sun and moon.... so it means that when the 3 generals whent to search a new land not only they found the land they want they found celestia and luna there, and it is said they where raised by alicorn and they played near the hills of canterlot ... so it means that equestria is the land of the alicorns not the unicorn,earth pony and pegasi ... but my question now what happened to the alicorns who lived there??
it never said the ponies invaded the land and drives the alicorns away... eccept the part where they attracted the windighost there cause a power ful blizzard... what happen to the alicorns??? did celestia and luna got left behind by their family when that happen??? are they still to young when got left behind, thats why they know little about alicorn being born exept the part the only way is by 2 pure alicorn love?? thts why star swirl the beard is the one who guide them to become a princess to rule cause their the only 2 alicorn there left?? what happen to the alicorns??? T_T T_T so many question.... -_-
I never had any doubts on this subject, I mean even if you are born an alicorn it doesn't mean that you have to understand how it works.
natural born Alicorns are not the same as artificial alicorns. the biggest difference is that natural Alicorns live much longer than artificial ones. they are not Immortal but like Celestia as stated they live probably for centuries.
Luna and Celestia are immortal, but if I remember well it's because they rise the Sun and Moon and that makes them younger.
I forgot: great analysis
+Bill Erak Dragón Dorado Yeah, I actually just figured out that it's most likely raising the sun and moon that give them energy and keep them living for eons. If they were to pass on the duties of the sun and moon to other alicorns, I'm guessing they themselves would eventually grow old and die. Assuming that to be true, I don't believe there's actually much of a difference between natural-born alicorns and ascended ones. The only question is whether or not they (Twilight and Cadance) inherit the longer-than-average life span that Alicorns have even without the life-extending power of the sun and moon.
+Applegeek meghan already confirmed that Twilight is not going to have a Life longer than her Friend's Lifes. Cadence has obviously grown up since he was twilight's caretaker. so I'm guessing no, they are not long livers.
+Bill Erak Dragón Dorado I'm aware that Meghan McCarthy stated that, and her word carries a lot of weight. It's a bit academic though, because the show will never run long enough for us to find out.
I have both Journals the one thing from it is interesting is that Luna is able to understand manticorn which in the second part of season one the name of the manticorn is Manny which is the same one that fluttershy interacts with
+Peppermint presents YES! Believe me, I wanted to talk about the whole journal, but I just couldn't do it in this one video, too much off topic stuff. Here's what's really cool about that. I personally think it's the same manticore as the one we saw in the series premiere (mythological beast, who knows how long they live?). Since Luna had befriended it, Nightmare Moon would have known about him and where to find him to use for her evil plan. Oh, also, journal confirms Luna as a prankster! All the trap doors and secret passages and the organ and such in their original palace were here idea!
+Applegeek yeah I remember that I think Luna could have a youthful personally being around with the cmc
Still not convinced. Rarity could be going by unreliable legends, but Twilight at least would know that Celestia and Luna come from a race of born alicorns, and thus should not be surprised at all that it is possible.
And Luna would not use such strong words "beyond even our understanding" and look that worried if she simply meant "I've never have had the opportunity to see it in my lifetime (but it is nevertheless known to be normal)".
It could be however that something has caused the extinction of the race of alicorns, excepted the possibility of becoming one. Celestia and Luna think they know why and have accepted that no alicorn will be born ever again; but the new birth shows that don't really understand what's going on as well as they thought.
I don't think they are as it says in the new episodes that just came out princess flurry heart is the first born alicorn. But yea before those episodes came out I would of said yes they are!
Just now saw this video and I agree with the theory that they had simply been born before Equestria was founded, so indeed Equestria never saw an Alicorn birth. To paraphrase the great Obi-Wan Kenobi (lol Star wars) What she said was true, from a certain point of view.
It has an episode that speaks pones that Everfree forest and Equestria limit that is not part of Equestria ...... it is a mystery and. .. Recapping that Celestia and Luna will grow in the castle of the two sisters is in the middle of the forest ....... and Celestia clearly speak that. ..... "Equestria never saw" .. she clearly referred to Equestria itself ......... it did not refer the whole planet ...... and what I saw and Celestia Luna will live in the castle in the mysterious forest Everfree .... who does not guarantee that it had not source it ...... it is not Equestria .... no one was it ... no One of Equestria I witness the birth of them. ....... ja's daughter was born in Equestria Cadensa .........
The two unicorns raised the sun and the moon and the spirit of harmony blasted them with magic after accomplishing this wonderful thing, the spirit of harmony has been waiting for this opportunity and it finally came. Except their elements weren’t the ones we have now, they were different elements. The sun and the moon. As their crowns. Just like twilight. The elements were later regrown for new ponies by the sisters, but the sisters split them since they knew later that it would take more than just 2 ponies to rule equestria for 1000 years. The spirit of harmony rewarded them with its kindness and decided to show them to Starswirl the bearded to continue their studies of magic. But that is all they were ever taught. They became official princesses when princess Luna’s generosity, loyalty, and kindness guided her, and princess Celestia’s honesty, magic, and laughter guided her as well and they both showed these elements in their elements so rightfully so, they were rewarded to be princesses, they earned it. It was after them that alicorns became a true sign of magic. It takes a pony to create a new type of magic that makes them an alicorn. They then get blasted with pieces of that magic and they will forever let it shine. Each generation showed elements of harmony, princess Celestia and Luna showed it through their differences that brought them together like yin and yang. The pillars showed it through their virtues that they shared together that brought them together like heroes. The mane 6 showed it through their intertwined soulmate connection that brought them together like friends. And the student 6 showed it through their inspirational voice that reigned on them all overall bringing them together as leaders. More to come. And flurry hearts alicorn magic wasn’t from dna, it was instead from her connection to the ponies and the crystal heart that was so strong that brought her together like love. The new magic is the magic of the warmth of the crystal heart and the fire of friendship. She holds everyone’s magic. This is why her love is so strong. That’s why she was born an alicorn. I wrote this before watching the video. Also, the sisters had been training ever since they found out about the unicorn council’s fatigue. They were some determined fillies that didn’t want their kingdom to fall into shackles and through their excessive training and their elements that have been inside them since they were born, they were able to just barely do it. Still, people were eternally grateful and then that’s when the spirit of harmony found them.
my problem with going by this book is that the show tends not to adhere to written comics and material but are instead inspired by the show itself. As in not regulated by the creators of the show. Seriously, the show is king when it comes to anything cannon. So far the show's rule were, alicorns were an ascension form when a deed worthy of a princess was made. Thus they couldn't have been born alicorns but had to have done something tremendous to be charged a cosmic responsibility as making the day turn to night. Their story simply hasn't been fleshed out.
Yea. This confused lots of folks. When u think it through like this, leaves some open mystery about the Alicorn race, before Equestria was founded. The show may explore this it may not, and they may even contradict the book if they want. The books aren't 100% cannon with the show, and the current writers can contradict it when ever they want. I think I saw a tweet somewhere where MA Larson, or someone had replied about the books...and they said basically that they will try to stay close to its ideals.....i could be wrong.
+Nate W Thibodeau I know some people won't consider the book canon, but if you don't, then there's just that much less information to go by (and thus no reason to even be upset as there aren't any discrepancies then), because until this premiere, nothing about the history of the Alicorn race has ever been mentioned in the show, at least not that I can recall. This book was written by Amy Keating Rogers, one of the original writers for the show, and published directly by Hasbro, so I'm quite comfortable calling it true canon at this point.
+Applegeek I consider that book 99% cannon. They have contradicted their own cannon before. The other story books....side cannon i supose. The IDW comics on the other hand, arnt official cannon to the show. Although, I really like them.
I’m not trying to debunk, but this is no longer canon with season 7. At 5:28 it says Starswirl has scrolls on the tree of Harmony. Starswirl had no knowledge of the tree until AFTER he came out of limbo.
Actually, it still sorta works, a couple different ways actually. I talked about this in the commentary at the end of my S7 finale reaction. The show strongly implied that the tree came entirely from that seed, but they never stated that specifically. They only said that the map and castle came from the seed, not the tree. Star Swirl didn't seem at all surprised by the tree, but rather by the map and castle, and of course the elements.
My theory is that they planted the crystal seed at the base of the existing tree of harmony, and it fused with the tree (which I believe to be a living entity in and of itself), turning it to crystal and creating the elements from the combined magic power. This allows for Star Swirl to have knowledge of the tree itself beforehand. He just didn't know about the other things the tree spawned, as those came after they went into the void.
And even if you don't buy that, and believe that the tree itself came from the seed, don't forget that Star Swirl's own journal showed a representation of the crystal tree, so either way, he definitely had at least some knowledge of the tree before entering the void. It's highly unlikely that they planted the seed immediately before the incident with the Pony of Shadows. As it is, we don't even have a timeline on when exactly this pillars got together, though I'm guessing the comics will address that. If they were together before Celestia and Luna even began their rule, that means they were around for quite some time, because the point they entered the void showed a fully built Castle of the Two Sisters in pristine condition. They could have planted the seed long ago, and it could have already started growing into the tree before Star Swirl approached Celestia and Luna about becoming princesses.
And yes, I do admit that all this is a bit shaky, but hey, I'm doing my best to maintain the journal as canon, because it's just too awesome to throw away. XD
Ok. I see how that works. Thanks for explaining!
Ok so in one of Mlp episode (the gala ). Rarity said princess cessa's niece(prince blue blood) will Mary her but prince blue blood is a unicorn and not a alicorn if they are related then he should be a alicorn .also I'm bad at spelling;(
in my opinion celestia and luna were born alicorns before equestria was founded
united will be more correctly.And i agree.Because there was bunch of facts in fandom that Celestia and Luna are the last members of "Dark Ages".
I’m sure someone has pointed this out in the nearly six years this video has been up but when Rarity said “I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great princess-worthy deed?” she wasn’t entirely correct. I can’t remember which episode it was but don’t we discover that Cadence was a Pegasus before she became an Alicorn?
here flurry heart gene a unicorn horn from shining armor or her father and cadence was born a pegasus with a DASH of her magic you get baby princess flurry heart
Actually that does make sense, but Sawtooth waves has an actually made a very interesting video
Thank you so much for this video.
I might just be salty, but nothing really adds up. They grew up in Canterlot, which is the Capitol of Equestria, and where did all of the Alicorns go? And Celestia DID witness the birth of an Alicorn, her sister. I understand the bias too... but they could have saved the trouble of finding alicorn pricesses by putting in a democracy, and learning how to function as a country, just like any other country on planet earth, other then just finding an easy way to understanding friendship by seeking out alicorns to rule.
And since evidence does point at them growing up in Canterlot, the capitol city, wouldn't that mean that Alicorns lived within Equestria, before and after its creation? Where did they all go??
Again, I'm probably just being salty.... but nothing really adds up for me.
Maybe Canterlot was founded as a city before Equestria as a nation. Then Equestria was founded, Canterlot decided to be a part of it, and government officials let it be the capitol. Also, we don't know just how far apart in age Celestia and Luna are. My sister is almost two years younger than me, and I didn't witness her birth. I don't even really remember it. I don't know where the other alicorns went though. Maybe they flew off to form other nations or something, or maybe alicorns aren't immortal after all and they all died. Celestia and Luna could have been the last two natural born alicorns until Flurry Heart came along.
Cool video!
what i think is that because princess luna is the yonger sister princess celestia must of witnessed her birth but was possibly to yong to remember due to her being over 1000 years old. human kids who were at a young age whalst seeing the birth of their yonger sibling would be very unlikaly to remember. coming back to the alicorn school it is most likaly they never tought them about that thus causing them to not know. it is possible that what celestia and luna were saying thta they themselfes have never witnessed a birth of an alicorn or simply celestia could remember the birth of luna and luna had acctually never witnesses one. i hope this helps. by the way my nam eis karolina. i hope this is usseful and sorry if any spelling errors were made my computer likes to change my words :) hhahah
What are your thoughts regarding the destiny of Flurry Heart as an alicorn? And is she a princess due to being the daughter of a princess?
I have no idea what her destiny is, far too soon to tell. Clearly she's a powerful magic user and flyer, that's all we know. And no, she's not a princess, not in my book anyway. That's a title that has to be earned. Yes, Twilight was coronated practically right after she transformed, BUT she had earned the title. Don't forget that Princess Amore and Princess Platinum were both Unicorns.
Technically, she's a princess by title, like Prince Blueblood, as Shining Armor is a Prince by marriage.
also, if they were born alicorns, im pretty sure they cant witness their own births.
so why did the princess turn Twilight into an Alicorn if the two sisters lived forever, even in the time of the windagos
But the thing is when flurry heart was born celestia said they haven’t seen anything like it
wacht the mlp, brony notion theorys. That explains EVERYTHING
This is my first time watching this channel
so princess celestia and luna have mentors too of their own huh?
Who knows, well Luna and celestia maybe they became alicorns when they were like twilight age unicorn and cadence I think pegasus became alicorns but celestia, coroneted twilight and cadence whrn they became alicorns maybe the same happened with her in the beginning says unicorn Sisters so they born unicorns became an alicorn and stars weel corenated princesses
mmm or they were not born as alicorn and they just had wings only and flurryheart was the only one
You should have more subscribers ;p
Aw, well thanks! :D I'm honestly surprised I have as many as I do though, never dreamed the count would grow as quickly as it has. I don't really believe in begging people for likes and subs either. I think people are smart enough to figure out where the buttons are at if they actually like my stuff. ^_^
Hello! I don't know if have you done a video about this already but it could be about Princess Luna MIGHT become queen someday? I was just wondering and this is the first video i have seen so i don't really know if you have done a video on that before!
The reason they're not queens is because of the stigma that queens are often portrayed as evil in children's animation, largely thanks to Disney. In terms of an in-universe explanation for why they're not queens, there are tons of possibilities on that, but none that have any basis in canon, as the topic simply has never been touched on directly, so it's all basically just head canon and fan fiction stuff.
Applegeek Agreed!
I do belive Celestia & Luna were born as alicorns and i thought possibly they’re parents would have told them about that. I also don’t entirely get Rarity’s line of “I thought alicorn wings were supposed to be earned by accomplishing some princess worthy deed”, when that can apply to alicorn horns as well as i heard Cadance was born a Pegasus. Also I personally believe Shining Armor should have been Equestia’s first male alicorn, maybe in the end of the season 3 premiere after he becomes the new prince of the Crystal Empire alongside Princess Cadence. I dont care what pepole say i do like that Flurry’s an alicorn as her mom and aunt are alicorns, most likely genetics and she’s also in royalty like Cadance, Twilight, Luna, & Celestia and i do like her as a character and i feel she’s one of the shows most underrated and possibly one of the most misunderstood in the series.
it never happened in Equestria
And it's true
Celestia and luna are not from equestria they are also a different kind of pony.
Ruby Sapphire333 what do you mean? Can you tell me more?
Just so y’all know they were born before Equestria was established
Applegeek, you should watch the StarSwirl the Bearded/Alicorn theory video on Sawtooth Waves's channel.
@Saini Surendren Same here!
I'm just coming down to the thought process that before all other Alicorns just fucked off to nowhere, no one taught Celestia and Luna the birds and the bees about Alicorns. Somewhat of an oversight, I would think.
+NumbingDisasterAnon That more or less echos one of my points. I kind of regret not at least mentioning the question of "where the heck is the rest of the Alicorn race now" but I didn't want to go too far off topic.
Applegeek Eh, it's fair enough. I don't think this was a point studio wise that was thought of well enough ahead time. Like the whole tease with the horse statues. Hints at greater lore that more than likely won't really be expanded upon. I'm still waiting for my Everfree ancient tree pones
The only thing I have to add is that since Celestia and Luna were playing with gems they'd found... wouldn't that mean that they were more than just pegasi? Because wouldn't that hint toward them finding the gems with their horns like Rareity?
+sakura hanuro I wouldn't call that definitive proof by any means, but you're right in that it's yet another hint that they had their horns already.
Cool! Thanks for clearing that up! ;)
Maybe there was some kind of prophecy preventing natural alicorns from producing alicorns themselves as long as Equestria existed. If Luna and Celestia thought this meant no more natural born alicorns, period, that might explain their confusion a little.
maybe celestia and Luna were both Pegasus' but were then turned into alicorns by Star Swirl. And remember when twilight became an alicorn she didn't remember or at least mention the celestial realm (where twilight became an alicorn) but star swirl (or another unicorn/alicorn) could have brought celestia and Luna to that realm. And their destinies could have taken it's course. Cause celestia did NOTHING when twilight became a princess. in fact she just stood there beside twilight. I also think that the unicorn/alicorn was the princess who ruled equestria the day, of what would be, hearts and hooves day. And then she fell cause of the love poison and then discord took over equestria and then when Luna and celestia were old enough, they defeated discord. who was possibly Star Swirl the Bearded. omg I talk too much.
Princess flurry hearts wings and horn are way!!!!!!!! To big for her body it is unbelievable
Perhaps, though this is the first baby Alicorn we've ever seen.
but princes cadence wasn't born already alicorn? cause when she was twilight's babysitter she has already wings.. Im right?
+Bertha Cezara According to one of the other MLP:FiM books published by Hasbro, she was originally a pegasus from birth, and later transformed into an Alicorn.
+Applegeek oh really? i didn't know that! Thanks! ;)
Is the picture in the first part from an episode PLZ TELL ME
They were born as unicorn I just think so because like it just like how country is the sun it's like so like awesome and I think they were born as a alicorn and then the wizard don't mention they don't know his name what is the name okay so I think the wizard turned into alicorns okay that's all I think
XD that is what I said, also they say in the show (in several episodes) that they are not from equestria originally :)
I don't recall ever hearing them make that claim. Please provide specific episodes where they have made such statements.
Okay I'm going to have to find the episodes again give me s few days (too many episodes)
is that Possible?!?
There's also the theory that Celestia and Luna are immortal Goddesses. And how did Cadance become alicorn, she was obviously and Alicorn when she was young a foalsitting Twi.
+Nate W Thibodeau I'm aware many think that Celestia and Luna are immortal, but after reading this journal, I both see no evidence to support that claim, and actually see information that suggests they are NOT immortal, but just have very long life spans. That was too off-topic to go into in this video though. As for Cadance, I need to dig into that one more, but from what I've heard, there's a printed story somewhere that tells how she became an Alicorn (was originally a pegasus).
+Applegeek Hey, actually just had a new thought on the immortality thing. See my reply to Loquacious of Herd in the comments!
+Applegeek Cadance's story is in G.M. Berrow's first chapter book, "Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell." It's in Chapter 4:
*SPOILERS*
Cadance was found in a forest as a baby Pegasus, and raised by Earth Ponies in a nearby village. After using her incredible gift of compassion to defeat and reform an evil pony enchantress named Prismia, she became "surrounded by magical energy and transported to a strange place--a place that nopony except Princess Celestia had ever been." Celestia discovered Cadance in this mysterious location, and brought her to Canterlot to raise as a niece, "Princess" Cadance. Presumably this is the same mysterious location where Twi got her wings (this book was released a few weeks after MMC aired), and Cadance probably got her horn here although the text doesn't specifically mention that detail.
(Great video btw!)
+Lets Eat Hay Thanks, I really need to pick up that book as well. Assuming you consider the G.M. Berrow books canon, that definitely confirms that Cadance is an ascended Alicorn, as I had heard.
Very good review though!
So you do you say They were alicorn's?!?
wow
I'm confused?!?
Wasn't Celestia born before Luna? Didn't Celestia witness Lunas birth? Hmmm
We don't know just how far apart in age Celestia and Luna are. My sister is almost two years younger than me, and I didn't witness her birth. I don't even really remember it.
tia said, EQUESTRIA has ever seen,
maybe they just werent born in equestria
equestria means all of the lands, not a specific place. Where Luna and Celestia lives is called Cancerlot, where Cadence and Shining Armor lives is at the Crystal Kingdom, meaning not one single pony in any place have ever seen anything like it.
+lori valley lol Cancerlot??
Hey, don't blame me, it's been a while since I wrote things about My Little Pony, so I forgot how to write some things like names and things like that. Basically, I just wrote it how I heard it, and if you would like to amuse me, then please tell me how it's written instead of laughing at a pity mistake.
Canterlot
Pastel Thunder Paints another alicorn for me to come back and fight with them
Great analysis! Keep up the good work!
Random: If you haven't found it through watching Watchpony.com, check out FritzyBeat - Fluttershys (Owl City Ponified). The song is freakin catchy.
+Haylox Thanks! And yes, I have had that song in my fan music folder/playlist for a while now. :D
but why dus Celestia and Luna's Hair float?!?
Simple. Because of the power.
I personally think that raising the sun and moon boosts their power, and gives them their immortality, and has the side effect of causing the flowing manes. Remember that when Luna was first freed from Nightmare Moon, she did not have a flowing mane, but after she recovered and began raising the moon again, then her flowing mane was restored.
Luna was a unicorn celestia was an earth pony they randomly became alicorns it’s a theory
Theyr born as alicorns
also, I doubt we will get an episode mid season on real lore...
the writers...or the new ones anyway dont even seem to think the show has such a rich fantasy back story and will continue to make entertaining slice of life episodes
which, while the episodes are usually great, destroys the mountains of potential this show has
not even Josh Haber recognizes lore in mlp it seems
+Ryan Mahaffey Well, the whole point of this was to address the confusion created by Josh Haber, but as revealed in my analysis, I don't think he actually broke anything. The dialogue was just a bit lacking in context. Oh, and regarding the slice of life episodes, I think those are important for character development, and Big Jim recently noted that they have to make those. The more action-packed adventure type episodes put a much larger strain on production resources, so there has to be a balance. Knowing that every episode of this show takes about a year to put together, I can respect that they have limits on what they can do.
+Applegeek I don't think expanding the lore means action packed, they could have episodes that show us more of ancient times while still using the same recourses as a slice of life. And I love Sol episodes and I would never want them to go away.
but while I do feel every season is better then the
last, I also feel the writers just don't care about the lore because "kids show"
Haber is one of my favorite writers now but he can be accused of this as well
my point was in relation to when you said maybe we would get an episode on alicorns, I desperately want that, but I would guess it won't be happening anytime soon
+Ryan Mahaffey Ahh, thanks for clarifying. You raise an excellent point that the lore could be expanded without lots of action. For the record though, I was actually floored by the amount of world-building that was actually done in the premiere. It wasn't a single major thing, rather several little things that add up.
Regardless of whether you love it or hate it, this is the first time in the whole series that the nature of the Alicorn race has started to get some meaningful attention. Cadance was already an Alicorn by the time she appeared in the show, and even though Twilight's transformation shocked everyone, there really wasn't any time spent on the background of the race, or what it meant to become an Alicorn.
And yeah, I get that they invented Flurry Heart basically for the sole reason of selling toys, and thus had to chuck a bit of dialogue in around that for it to make sense in the story, so maybe that's all it will amount to. I guess I'm just hoping that because of the fact that they actually went there, they'll decide to keep going. Having them deal with the challenges of raising a baby Alicorn could lead to a lot of questions (and hopefully) about how Alicorns were raised in the past.
Oh, and don't forget that they gave us the actual canon backstory of Celestia's fight with Nightmare Moon in season 4, so the writers really can give us backstory if they want to bad enough. Only time will tell I guess.
Applegeek finales and premieres will always someway expand the lore, bit I wish more new writers who mostly do things mid season would... Idk research some of the back story so they can contribute to the back story.
I am thankful for the back story and lore we do get, just wish there would be more
Here's hoping the writers of s6 prove me wrong
Hey cadence could have been born a alicorn
This is all true 🤨I wish they would give us the whole story about the two of them
THEY ARE BORN AS ALICORN'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually I think you guys are too smart cause the movie IS THE MOVIE, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THIS MOVIE guys this is not a fact but this is “fake” cause he’s not the writter
there nature born alicorns
NO THEYRE NOT!!!!! They are not born alicorns, ITS OBVIOUS. Watch the video where is says "flurry heart is not true alicorn."
damn, i would love to have that book :(
+Phantom Brony Link to it is in the video description (which btw was broken, just fixed it), less than $10 on Amazon!
+Applegeek Yeah, i know, but, well there is the problem of not having money and living away from where there are brony groups :/
Say what
Amy Keating Rogers also said in a tweet they were natural born. Even if she is not on the show anymore, she only left recently
+Ryan Mahaffey I am aware of her tweets, but things that writers and other Hasbro staff say can be sketchy at times. I wanted to base my facts and theories on something that's acceptable as true canon, namely this book, which BTW was written by Amy Keating Rogers, and published by Hasbro.
you calm me so much i send so many emails to hasbro but they didnt respond i was about to send a nother one but I click on this vid
+Cristofer Solis You're welcome!
Celestia and luna are born of alicorns
They are natural alicorns because maybe they got there wings or horn around the age of 1,2,or 3 and they earned it by being natural born princesses and born with a very strong magic
Lol just saying flurry heart is a Mary Sue lolololol im sorry😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😄😄😄😄😃😃😃😀😀😀😐😐😐😑😑😑😐😐😐😑😑😑😐😐👋
Celestial and Luna were NOT born alicorns another theory it’s just a theory.In the show in horse play it said celestia was a student of stars swirl.So she must have been a unicorn.same with Luna.
The journal of the two sisters says otherwise. They were alicorns when they were aproched by Starwirl