Ignoring A Professional Model During A Photoshoot
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This goes not just for professional models, but any models. Any model needs feedback and encouragement.
Any person needs feedback and encouragement, regardless of what they do
Agreed. We all need feedback and encouragement. Sometimes all it takes is a few positive words to let us know we're on the right track with whatever it is we're doing!
yassss
@@denalihedgehog Only if you are an insecure nutjob....I suppose that is 95% of young people today. I don't need that, I will do my job to the best of my ability and I need the pay in my packet. If I am doing my job wrong or something tell me, I don't need someone patronising me saying good job or anything like that. I get suspicious when people say that anyway.
I would even say that a not professional model or a model without experience would need more. Not only for encouragement, but to interpret the photographer artistic view for the shoot, otherwise both parties can end up frustrated with the end result.
omg i didn't realise how uncomfortable it feels without any background music or talking
@William Howe hahah originally I meant Jessica, but then I realised it was also kind of generally uncomfortable when it's like total silence?
I can visualise all those unacceptable interactions between ANTM models and all the unhelpful script performing photographers, "the unbiased Judges" and Mr Jay.
Imagine how awkward and traumatic those experiences were in a raw realistic format... without the "glamour" and distractions.
Yikes is a understatement.
I had to hide behind the comments
That model is a professional though.. talking or not, she rocked it.
I kinda liked more the ignored session pictures to be honest.
Same could be said about the photographer
@@jd6331 yeah but she knew what was going on, unlike the model.
That second shoot felt much shorter and less anxiety inducing with you talking and telling her to pose and walk and move!
It always feels like time drags when you feel uncomfortable and unsettled. Where as if you are having fun and enjoying spending time with someone, time really flies by. 🥰
Dude i had to skip bc i felt like it was going for so long and the second shoot went by so fast thats actually crazy and interesting to know
This challenge explains why every season of ANTM could have been 100 times better, also far less awkward and uncomfortable. The models could actually learn so much more if they are treated with respect and as a equal, within a work environment. Both the Model and the Photographer have ideas and input that is valid, which makes things flow in a natural way.
Thank you for sharing this.
The second shoot was far superior. 🌸 gorgeous pictures with the lighting and angles 🌸
Edit: never expected to have so many people agreeing with my comment. 😬 lol. Thank you for all the likes and the conversations.
They can untreat in world of business u may never know.
@Daniel P. Watching interviews of former contestants sheds light on how the show impacted their lives, most have gone to therapy.
It's reality for them, even though the shows version of events are edited to create a narrative.
They are still having human experiences and deserve to have a healthy work environment.
Idk I don't watch reality tv anymore, but I hope across the world there are reasonable contracts in place to protect contestants.
Exactly that!!! Mr J would complain 'you're just posing'. This shows the difference between posing and engagement.. and it's not about the model alone! No wonder those poor girls struggled!
@@rayaqueen9657 exactly.
They gave the models no chance for real world model opportunities except for the exposure of the show.
Many contestants became actors too, straight after the show.
I disagree, models earn a lot, and they should also know what they are doing... Is not all on the photographer
You should do this again with a prof model that isn't a close friend, who doesn't know your session style as well and see if the difference is more striking. The first session is more stagnant, and the second more dynamic because the model was having to come up with stuff on her own as opposed to getting direction. A model probably wouldn't just start walking away from the photographer on their own, so that was the main difference I could see between the two sessions. The first was just a little more stale, stiff, and stagnant, but she still looks amazing because you're a great photographer, still catching good angles and lighting, and she's a stunning woman.
We need to force the ANTM judges to see this. Pronto.
Right. This just feels like shade to them and I love it.
Oh they know! That's the point!
ANTM is not abt the fashion industry or models in general, it's abt cheap show.
ANTM isn’t about making the models famous. It’s all about promoting the judges. They do it on purpose to create drama.
I mean the show is over but, like, better late than never lol
My friends: *Oblivious to anything that isn't about them*
Jessica's friends: *Within 3 seconds* "What's wrong?? Why aren't you talking to me!"
Get you a Jessica's friend
Me friends : * saying there problems or other stuff *
Me : Oh no u * acting nice and sweet * , Later: but listen to my problems which are not as bad but i just wanna tell my stuff too
My friends : Bruh ..
Me : Lmao
@@CrimsonAkato I mean, I am not judging since I dont know your frienfs but even if your problems arent as big as theirs, you still deserve to rant now and again. Even small problems have to be let out sometimes
It’s cause Jessica is great
Omg I love this comment so much!! I need a Jessica's friend here in Orlando. Mine is in TX lol
I had both kinds now I only have jesicas friends. And I’m happier
As a psychological researcher, I must commend you for your due diligence in setting up and following through with this experiment. You controlled as many variables as you could. So the results of this are actually noteworthy. I can see heaps of improvement in the “talking” category compared to being silent. I never fully grasped the importance of communication between photographer and model. I’ll need to remember this when I’m taking photos. Granted, I am no pro nor amateur. It’s just a small hobby for me. But this will improve my pictures for sure. I’m loving your channel!!
The no talking ones were beautiful and her poses were great, plus she's absolutely stunning! But somehow they looked too posed..like idk how to describe it, but they were very still.
On the other hand, the second ones were interactive and felt in the moment. It felt like she was taking us through the city and we were with her. I definitely loved the 2nd ones more.
I totally agree, stunning photos both but the first ones feel like we are spying on her or something and the second feels like we are with her, talking with her, walking with her
Shes gorgeous in both but the first ones do definitely look more uncomfortable to me too
Tbh out of all the photos, I liked the first no talking picture the most. Upper left corner at 6:54.
@@gummy5862 my favourite is the middle one of the talking photos! I feel like she's having a conversation with me, it's it's interactive photo and the way the shadow and sun blend together is so cool!
The posing. You can add the feeling of movement to a photo depending on the pose and the light angle.
the “ignoring” photos look a liiiiittle bit awkward if you have the comparison…
i love how all of them came out though especially the lighting 😍
Agreed, she looked almost uncomfortable in them.
Awkward and dark
I think the video of the shoot was super awkward, but I liked those pictures better. I also felt they were more natural and less "staged". But I'm only a "looker" not a "taker" and definitely not a professional photographer.
Matter of taste. I prefer the first set of pics.
As soon as you revealed the reason for not talking the model seemed so releaved and happy. Like she was actually insecure of herself because you weren't talking but still did her job.
She's clearly a great model, knows her angles (as Tyra would say). So the first set were great. But you got a much more dynamic range in the second set. And you were able to play with the natural lighting more by directing her.
the one of her looking back while walking was insane. you're both so talented, it's hard to get a "bad picture," but she was right, the extra variety took it over the top.
RIGHT HER FACE LOOKED PERFECT LOOKING BACK MID SPIN
I agree. But really the model did great even on her own👌
A professional model might know how to pose and their best angles, but the photographer sees the light differently, gets to see the images instantly and can say what would improve it. Short of running behind the camera all the time, the model can't do it alone!
I'm not a model or anything but with good communication and a "Honey you're doing great!!" I'll definitely feel like a model! 💫
🤣🤣🤣👍
She’s also clearly a very good model because those no talking ones were still fire 🔥 but the second ones were interesting because you obviously knew where the light was etc. so were able to get much better shots that were dynamic with those technical aspects. Also that one shot which was front on, messy hair (directed) was gorgeous. You didn’t have it in the final example/comparison shots but I loved that one.
You should do it again (maybe with a less experienced model) and then just show us the pics and see if we can guess which ones are directed and which are not!!
I love this idea! Models need feedback so the photographer can take the best picture possible. It's a working relationship and not just one sided, like how it is in ANTM. I don't think Jessica would ever do this, but if you try this concept again instead of ignoring the model you should do 3mins of giving conflicting unconstructive feedback (ala Mr. Jay) and the next 3mins you give them encouragement and help the model.
yessss
It's literally not an idea. It's what any of us professional do.
@@marazampariolo3200 Ignoring the model and giving conflicting unconstructive feedback? I don't think so.
@@milatorri i think you did not understand my comment at ALL. I am a professional photographer with twenty-one years of experience working for brands like Givenchy, YSL and Dior. And all I said is that it's not an *idea* to speak to a model. It's what ANY professional photographer does. And I find it so ridiculous people here think Antm's shooting have anything to do with the real industry. I always speak to my models and yes, if you want a model to perform well, you need to be positive . I just find it mind boggling a lot of people would be surprised
@@marazampariolo3200 the "idea" is the 3 minute challenge. Just to show the difference between no feedback (as in ANTM) and giving feedback (as a real photographer would do). So yeah... the whole challenge (both parts) is the idea, not just one part.
Imagine if one of the ANTM contestants told Mr. Jay or the photographer, "You're not talking to me. Give me something." They'd be accused of trying to direct the shoot and get booted.
Also, that very last "Talking" one of her walking away from you is stunning. They're all great, but that one is wow.
Lovis - "We're both sided. I love you." 🥺 So wholesome.
WAIT… so there is more to modeling than “smizing” and “ booty tooching!?!” Models do better with feedback and continue to grow and learn?!?
And "speaking up" but yet also "dont complain"! Ah Yes, Tyrant is such a kind and supportive "super model"!!!
It would also help if they didn’t use made up words. WHAT DOES “SMIZING” AND “BOOTY TOOCHING” EVEN REALLY MEAN!
“maybe it’s because we’re both libras” 😂😂 hahaha felt that
Honestly they were the two most libra-ish women ever. Libras can't stand to make other people uncomfortable. Jessica really struggled to do something that would upset the model, and the model struggled without knowing if Jessica was happy with her poses or not.
@@katiehorneshaw995 I'm not libra and still can't do that. How should stars tell your personality? Like honestly, so we only have one dozen of different people walking around earth?
The best way I can word the difference is the “ignoring” ones are more * *stiff* * ... the “talking” ones are more fluid, flowing... natural? Goes to show the energy flow between the photographer and the model IS tangible in the resulting photos! U can feel the energy; the interaction and movement, the back and forth...
**edit: just realized: speaking of “flow”, it seems that bc modeling/ photography of people involves both parties, the collaboration and connection between them is KEY to achieving and working from the “flow state”... flow state is when a person becomes fully immersed and focused on the activity they’re doing, almost a meditative state, forgetting the world around u- usually something creative/ a passion...
So, while a painter can achieve flow state alone, bc it’s just you and your paints; a model (& photographer) need eachother to get to that state- because of the collaborative nature of their art form! Both people need to be in that zone, by being on the same wavelength, understanding the vision, and working together to fulfill it... then when they get into that state, it’s probably even more magical since it’s shared!
this pretty much shows the importance of communication while shooting. makes me happy to know that the model isn't really at fault when photos don't look the way everybody wants to
“We’re both libras but her rising is scorpio, maybe that’s why” damn ily
It’s true, I am the same. We observe.
She is so gorgeous and a natural model. She’s was born to model. I could stare at her forever
She's very professional so both shots look great, but you can tell how great is the second one. She looks relaxed, having more fun. I wish photographs understand this.
I can't help but think you're Top Model commentaries inspired this. Biggest difference was how much light was in 2nd set of pics ( on some of the face shots when you showed them during the 2nd shoot I literally when "Wow")
It's noticeable how her energy changed from the first to the second moment. Nice video to learn!
Wow.. such a difference!! The second set are so more interactive, there's a story in them, I feel connection, engagement. The first set are good but just poses.
Jess you’re so gorgeous. You should do a swap with a model one day. You become the model and they become the photographer
I think the photos from both shoots turned out amazing! I think the major difference that I noticed (besides the awkward silence in the first one), is that the photos from the second shoot felt more cohesive as a whole, since you as the photographer had a clear artistic direction, where the photos from the first shoot had more variety from the different poses the model was doing.
Even when I took photo of a friend of mine, I'd ask them to pose or to stand in a certain position that I thought would look the best in frame. Because the person behind the lense is the one who can really see how the pictures will turn out. Sadly I rarely get great pictures because none of people that I know of really gives a sh*t about that when I ask them to take pictures for me.
Ughhh I know right?! I really wish I had the kind of photos that I feel out for when I’m trying to get good ones of anything I photograph or video, but it’s like you can never get that quality back for yourself, cause a bunch of people don’t care so much -even with lesser knowledge about photography and like actually try to enjoy it? So I don’t have to feel like photos of me are a nuisance? And aren’t working cause you don’t want to do them for me? And you might get me some good photos back like how I do for you?
Ugh I know it’s not just me who’s like this but I do want some good photos that compliment how I am as a person, not bad blurred and angled photos😭
Edit: I swear I feel like I can hear the “Ughh!” sound from Cher in Clueless because of the weird frustration that I want to emphasize in my personal frustration that I sympathize with you😅😂
Get a tripod, maybe? If your friends won't shoot good pictures of you, do it yourself
I basically stoped asking for photos because I see they are not really into trying to get a reasonable shot. On the other hand I am not the person who naturally looks good on photos anyway. One day I may buy myself a professional photoshoot. But I don't trust myself as a "model" and don't want to waste my money just because I am not talented enough in front of a lense. So maybe it's too much to ask for. On the other hand. When paying the photographer I also want to have one who's style I really like. I mean, it's art everyone has its personal style one may likes or not. ... Still, when people ask me to make photos I try my best to get them into a good frame and light.
@@MathieuDeVinois I think you should totally go for a professional photoshoot one day if you have the chance. I understand the fear of the photos not turning out great, but good photographers know how to find the best angles/light and work with you to show your best sides.
@@rkah6187 thank you for your encouragement. Let's see if I find the right photographer one day. maybe not even in my town. Somwere abroad so I can connect it to a journey and therefore lower my own anxieties or better said worries. (Change of surrounding resulting in a change of mindset. Like a daydream only in reality 😂)
In ANTM they give feedback to the models that they’re always coming up with the same poses and that they want to see something new.. but they never give them directions to learn from 😅
The alternative title: Acting Like Mr Jay During A Photoshoot 🤭🤭
Not really.
No insults
“Wait what do you mean….I was just confused”. Good one..still good photos but I def. understand the necessity of feedback. Session two gave her the “umph”. Those were some magazine shots. Good stuff
as a model , having the photographer hype you up means the world
I think when she asked “you’re not talking to me are you?” She was just confirming it was a part of the challenge. Not accusing you haha
This whole thing is such an art. Both the model and photographer has to have a lot of skill so that the photos come out nice. I cannot pose to save my life. I’ve watched so many videos on how to pose and I still can’t pick it up 😂 super awkward in front of the camera
I love this honestly, maybe just an opinion (cuz i literally know nothing about photography or modeling) but like i honestly prefer the talking part. Cuz like the ignoring part is amazing but its more like something u took yourself and posted on ig. the object or the piece or whatever u call the subject, gave me a "very still" vibe. Like it had no movement or smthn like that. It was just a pose. Meanwhile the talking part looks like what you'd see in magazines. Those awesome sunkissed shots and they looked like a video ad rather than a photo shot. Like it felt livelier or smthing like "that's right!" click to it. It became an instagram story but within one picture rather than a video.
I really love the model and her casual poses, but you can clearly feel the dynamic vibes of the talking shoot ☺️ I think you can tell a difference, even if the model is as beautiful and professional as she is ❤️
Those shots were GORGEOUS and she seems like a PHENOMENAL model! Wonderful job to you both 😁🤗🤩💖
since you're both amazing and pros, i feel like the first session is a success. but what would happen if you shoot with a non-model without feedback? 😃
We love an educational prank 💀😂❤️ Your content is spectacular!!
Communication in ANY relationship is important!! Great video!!!
Oh my goodness I was dying when she called you out after like 3 seconds. 😂😂😂. Love your content! 🥰
I actually loved the shots where it was silent shooting! Then again, Jessica has a lot of experience and initiative to think fast in the moment so I don’t doubt that she’s able to get stunning shots regardless. But this is so good for novice or experienced models alike, even ones we’ve shot with multiple times. Despite the challenge, this just goes to show that good model/photog chemistry exists and *can* go unspoken if necessary. Super cool video (:
When I do photos with people, I always make sure to be positive and have funny conversations, sometimes talking about life itself.
It's the simpler things in life.
It’s crazy how much of a difference that makes… it goes to show how important good communication is.
Honestly, I did suffer on the first three minutes and I wasn't even part of it haha. This show how important is the communication between the photographer and the model. Great video.
The undirected photos look sexier or more like it could go in a fashion or sales catalog. The one in the lower left corner looks like it's selling high end perfume imo. The directed ones are more demure and feminine with an artistic direction. They tell a story. I think it's interesting. She's a good model with a lot of experience, you can tell
OMG not even a question! there’s a noticeable difference + it’s mostly in the vibe of the shots, her energy; way more confidence + self-assuredness comes through in the second set of shots.
sometimes that’s all directing is - giving your subject feedback, communicating w| them, letting ‘em know that they’re on the right track, doing the right thing, that what they’re giving is working; it’s something subjects need to continue to excel.
that’s easily my least fav thing about being in front of the camera - not knowing if what i’m doing, what i’m giving in my head is coming through on screen, looks how i imagine it does in the frame, etc.
feedback, direction, is so vital + so necessary to bring out the very best. great challenge + video.
Just casually tearing apart ANTM's whole MO in a 9 minute video
I felt so bad for the model 😭 It was so awkward the first session
Btw she's gourgeous and it's crazy how the first session looks more distant and the second looks so much more connected, like the face is looking at the camera more idk how to explain it but they look different
PROPER communication is so important! One time, someone was taking photos for me and my friends, and didn’t direct us for the longest time. Let me tell you, saying “you guys just look awkward” is not a good way to direct people
This was really awesome. I've been a model for about 10 years and it is astonishing how infrequent photographers actually talk, communicate and direct. I always tell them ahead of time, please do this with me, it's very helpful because it can look good to me, doesn't mean it looks good on the camera so please let's work together.
They always agree and then they just start shooting and it becomes a really awkward silent experience. I wish that wasn't the case and that people really understood how to work with people to have collaborative artistic creations!
Now you just need people in the background randomly criticizing her forehead size or arm movements or lack of pose diversity or whatever and you'd have an ANTM photoshoot right there.
Such a good model!! The way that she creates interesting and dynamic shapes even when no one is directing at all. She did a great job. But it is amazing to see how much more comfortable and free a shoot is when there is direction. The jobs of both a model and Photographer and both so important and this was such a good video.
This was great. Both you and the model were so nice. She looks stunning and those pictures are brilliant especially with the light!
Love this so much! It really highlights the humanity that's present in all artforms and how it's needed to bring everything to life, including photography and modelling. Without the human touch, everything feels different.
This is like the funniest video ever! Love all the pictures Jessica, your talent is just out of this world. And Lovis is amazing!
For real! Even if it's a stellar model, they can't see what the photographer sees and it's a collaboration between two artists that will create the best photos
I love their conversation reflecting on what they’ve learnt from this as well and how they demonstrated the importance of teamwork even in a photoshoot
Even me knowing you were doing the challenge, I felt so awkward just watching. The tension was weird af!
Made me wonder what kind of photographers would shoot quiet (with a model), and if they're successful at all? 🤔
For me, before a shoot i almost always have coffee or something where I meet the model and we talk, exhange ideas, etc so we are both on the same page, and then let them do their thing with MINOR adjustments. I wanna be surprised with what they do, and I want them to be surprised with what I got, and how i make them look in the end.
So for the most part, there's barely talking, just little "yes, wow, that's incredible, can we do that again? Wow, what was that? Unreal." Etc. For the most part i have music playing to set the mood.
If I'm working with someone I picked, I know I can trust them with what to do because of the conversations I've had with them earlier, the references I've shown them, and their work that I've seen before. We both come out with something we didn't quite expect.
Yes models need encouragement, but still I liked the no talking session way better, she's definitely a pro
"Its like a one sided relationship"
That lighting tho 😍
The first part is giving me anxiety 😫
same 😂 now we know what the models in antm must feel like ..awkwaaard
Honestly the first ones felt more her and the second round felt like you and your style, both GORGEOUS
My favorite one is from the “talking” batch but my overall fave is the “ignoring” batch.
Same. I love the bottom left walking away shot from talking batch that's my favourite 😍
Totally agree! There should be an open communication between the photographer and the model for a better output! Good concept! Enjoyed your video 😊
It was great seeing how you direct your models. Yes. It makes a HUGE difference!! I always directed in my photo shoots and my clients always looked like models. I saw lots of tears of happiness afterwards.
I found that everyone (even those who modeled as a career) appreciated and loved the direction, because it made a huge difference in their outcome. I can see what they look like in camera and can make even the littlest adjustment change the whole image. Most people don’t know what to do with themselves (I wouldn’t know what to do if/when I’m photographed) because you have no idea what you look like, what the camera sees. Lol. I’d always start the session with “follow my direction, you may feel like this can’t POSSIBLY look cute because you feel awkward but trust yourself and me!” The results were amazing with so much connection in their eyes! I loved it!! (Thanks for this! Makes me want to shoot again…)
The talking ones looked more dynamic. The silence would make me feel so insecure.
Those walking photos, looking back at you, were GORGEOUS!. Love the light, the movement... so pretty!
So much more character when she talked to the model , wow amazing.
I've recently become obsessed with photography and also live in Michigan! Just got a Nikon D5600.
She rocked it! You rocked it! Honestly the ignoring ones gives posed, studio vibes meanwhile the talking ones gives street vibe
But this may be more about relationships than communication. You should repeat this with a model you don't know.
LOOKIN AT YOU JAY FROM ANTM!
was curious to see both sets since a lot of comments seem to prefer the non-talking set as a whole but their favorite is in the talking set. For me it‘s the talking set through and through. The lighting is captured so much nicer because you could advice her where to go and where to look. So even if some poses are similar they just look softer and less tense because the shadow feels more controlled and doesn‘t cut into the poses as sharply. (english isn‘t my mothetounge so I hope that makes sense)
She‘s clearly a pro though but so are you! The results speak for themselves :D
As a model I believe that communication between the photographer and the model is really important. Cause you don't see yourself when you're posing so you don't really know how your body is positioned and if it's looking good. That's why the feedback from the photographer is so important. Cause they will say things like "move your head a little bit" and that's what makes the perfect shot!
communication between client and photographer is really important. I think it helps the model project too. Thanks for the comparison. cool video
You both did so well and you can tell the confidence in the second one. She’s gorgeous and you captured her in the best light. Amazing job!
i have been freelance modelling for a couple of years now in the ph and i remember one shoot i did with a photographer that left with me not being as content or fulfilled at the end of the day bc the photographer who invited me was barely talking, not even directing me much. while it gave me a lot of freedom, it was quite stressful bc i didnt know if how i imagined the shots to look actually came out the same from the photographer's pov. so this is really great, i hope more people in the community get to see this!
It's very clear from this experiment that you need 100 from the model and 100 from the photographer! And not just rely one one for a successful shoot. It's a collaboration, always. It's so important for the photographer to direct as even though the models can pose, the photographers are the one who can see what it actually looks like on camera and know what would look good realistically.
The proof that the constant "She only has one look" comment on ANTM is the photographer's and director's fault.
gosh the talking pics were honestly mesmerizing i loved the ones where she walked back 😍
Omg you both are such beautiful talented human beings!! I LOVED how you photographed her, great video!!
Thank you for showing how important photographers feedbacks are!!
Great idea, great chemistry and overall, great result! Love the natural light and her outfit! You did an amazing job!
They both are so polite and professional at the same time . Both are really mature and respectful. This world should be like this
Really enjoyed this video and thought it was cool to see how and why a model and photographer need to work together. The second 3 minutes felt way shorter from the needed communication. Can definitely see how the talking helps. Also, really enjoyed seeing the friendship and how kind they are towards each other.
There is a lot more movement and fluidity in the second session.
She loves you. Beautiful to see women supporting one another and the loving friendship
2 amazing ladies even with tension during the process the photos are still great
Obviously everyone else has already commented on it. But it shows how much of a difference there is in between photographs when the photographer gives direction and when they don’t. That a model should know how to model, style, direct, and light her self like America’s next top model promotes is a fallacy. Frankly the second set of photos were immensely better. Though she’s an excellent model communication really helped. And the second set I feel like you could pull a couple of those photos and they could’ve been an ad campaign for Dolce and Gabbana, Gucci or another high-end brand. They look very editorial.
Jessica, you're such a sweet person and the model is so beautiful and the photos are gorgeous, the lightning was stunning and I love everything about it ❤️
Both sets are killer. She's a great model with or without direction imo!
Herro, Jessica!
She was amazing with her poses, I loved your final photos, so fabulous the two of you are amazing at your jobs, keep up the good work 🙌🙌
A really great concept and an eye opener. What a great lady this model is for having taken it so graciously 👍🏾
These photos give me sunset in France. Its such a vibe.
Same I’m French and even I’m wondering where this is
@@Heevvyy Zurich, Switzerland