Discussion of Dresden Files through Dead Beat (book 7): non-spoiler and spoiler, with Ben and Josh
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Josh from @RedFuryBooks and Ben from @BooksWithBenghisKahn join me to discuss The Dresden Files! We start with non-spoiler thoughts on the series up to and including book seven, Dead Beat, and then move on to a non-spoiler assessment of Dead Beat before diving into spoilers.
What a blast of a time for me to chat about such a fun book in a favorite series! Thanks for having me on and can’t wait for some more Dresden chats!
It was awesome to finally get back to Dresden Files and have the chance to chat about it with you, Ben! I look forward to more!
I loved every minute of this conversation. The Dresden Files is a Top 10 series for me, so to see 3 of my favorite booktubers talking about it, just wow. A+ conversation for sure! Can't wait for you and Josh to find out the events to come. The books absolutely keep getting better.
@@BrianBell7 Thank you, Brian! I look forward to progressing in the series and having more Dresden Files discussions with more friends around here!
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HOORAY!! Three of my favourite gentlemen, talking about one of my favourite series, who could ask for more?
I wanted desperately to like Dresden, because it seemed so beloved, but I *really* struggled with Storm Front, and it took me YEARS to work my way through the first couple - by then I'd discovered book-tube, and with eternal gratitude to Jake Bishop, the perfection of the audio books narrated by James Marsters. With that shift, my experience did also, and I read books 3-6 in about a month.
Dead Beat was the entry that tipped my reading rollercoaster into gear and I RACED through the next dozen books in only two weeks. I've re-read the series multiple times since that exciting September of 2022, and am delighted that you've hit what I think is the point the series becomes amazing.
**Spoilery comments from here**
BUTTERS!! ❤ Who doesn't love Waldo? I loved that we get a character who is intelligent enough to be truly frightened about what he discovers, but brave enough to stand his ground when he's told he 'didn't see that'. Butters *does* have a courage to him, and seeing a different kind of bravery brought a wonderful charm to the story.
Thomas finding a way to explain his torment to Harry was incredible writing, and the connection between them is clear in how they attempt to rein in their power so not to hurt those around them. Their relationship makes both of them more open to us as the readers.
Mouse - best boy ever. He's second only to Nighteyes as best 'animal companion' I've ever met. I think Mouse is less sarcastic, and much more tolerant of cats than Nighteyes.
Bob. When something worries Bob, stop talking Harry!! Bob gains an actual personality in this one, more than a simple lecherous voyeur.
Murphy. I actually love that Harry values her presence in his life so much that he's terrified he might lose it by wishing for more. Plus, him being jealous of Kincaid is hilarious.
Sheila/Laschiel. The first time I read Dead Beat the reveal *blew me away*, SO incredibly well done. The inclusion of the Harry Id is fantastic.
I could keep gushing but it's 1am.
This whole thing has ended my day on a wonderful note. Thank you fine friends!
I'm so glad you enjoyed the discussion, Derri, and also that you have found so much to love in The Dresden Files! I look forward to following in your footsteps as I continue with the series, though I'm pretty sure I'll take much longer than you did. All the best!
This was such fun to talk about - thanks again for having me!
Thank you, Josh! The discussion definitely helped me to appreciate Dead Beat even more. All the best!
ANIMATED T-REX!!! 🤪😂 Sliding into cars!! ❤ Butters❤
You all make this sound fun in the non-spoiler section! Glad you and Josh are enjoying the experience so far. No denying that Ben loves this series!
Thank you, Johanna! I anticipate that, from here on out, the series will get bigger and more serious, but that the fun spirit of it will remain as well. All the best!
What an awesome Dresden gush fest! ❤ Loved every moment of it, Philip! Thanks to everybody for this wonderful and engaging chat!
Yes, you're right the Erlking is an evil elvenking who hunts children and is able to kill them with one touch. It seems to be a mistranslation from Danish elverkonge into German Erlkönig (literally Alder king) and it then stuck. Franz Schubert wrote his music for a poem by Goethe Der Erlkönig. In it a father tries to save his sick child from the Erlking and fails to do so. While the Erlking promises all the riches, power, and even his daughters to the boy. It's another nice layer in Deadbeat where Harry's father is a bit more prominent and Harry is encountering different temptations. I'm not surprised that the lure of maybe overcoming mortality resonated with you, Philip. It's basically the dilemma of Joruman.
So true, Angela! I actually did think of Joruman for a moment there. Thank you also for the Schubert reference -- I love it!
Well I’ve got to tap out at the spoiler warning since I’m only at Death Masks, but I’ve been really enjoying the series and this has been my favorite entry so far!
I enjoyed Death Masks too, but I will say that Dead Beat beat it out for my favorite in the series so far. All the best!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy I suppose it had to. It’s in the name. I suppose I must MASK my amusement.
@@iSamwise 😂😂😂
Such a great chat! I could only stick around for the non-spoiler part, but it was a great summary of the series so far!
Thank you, Zammar! I hope you'll enjoy the series if you pick it up/continue in it!
You have homework 🤪
Lol at Josh thinking he has left false peak when he's actually just starting false peak 🤣 glad you guys liked Dead Beat so much!
@@readbykyle3082 Ha! You have piqued my interest with this peek at the peak, Kyle. How many false peaks before true peak?
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy haha it's Jake's theory but it works pretty well. False peak leads to the next phase, loud screaming. And loud screaming is generally book 12, but some people hit it a bit early 🤣
@@readbykyle3082 I look forward to all of it!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy😂
I think one of the things that is important to realize about Harry Dresden is that he, like all of us, has no control over how he thinks. I suspect most people have thoughts that they would prefer no one else would ever find out about, but in the first person narration here, we see all of those things. For me, at least, Butcher's unflinching willingness to show those darker parts of Harry's personality is a part of what makes his character so relatable.
What Harry does have control over is the things he actually does, and from that viewpoint, he is a truly admirable hero. He makes choices that go against his darker urges, he makes sacrifices because they're the right thing to do, and he steps forward to be a shield to those without power in the way that all the best superheroes do.
@@dougsundseth6904 Well said, Doug!
Dead beat has one of the best lines in all of literature. “Anyone who lets me ride their dinosaur can call me Carlos”
@@captnsquashypant82 An instant classic!
What a great conversation! I think it was Josh that called out there's stuff people know about Harry that he doesn't know. I didn't catch that about him until later in the series, and honestly you get trickles of that information throughout the series. I can't wait until you hit the small favor, because, for me, that starts Butcher at his best with this character and world and storytelling.
@@adamborst Cheers, Adam!
Great video! Ben & Josh are so cool, and their respective book tube channels are awesome!
Thanks again, doc! 🎉
Sebastian
@@sleepevenbetter Thank you for watching, Sebastian!
This was a great chat! Dead Beat is my favorite early Dresden novel.
@@JosephReadsBooks Thank you, Joseph! It’s my favorite of the first seven for sure.
Awesome talk! I really hope we get another talk once you all get through Changes!
Thank you, Michael! I'm confident we'll be having more of these discussions. All the best!
Yes...
This is the most convincing video so far to get me to read the series.
@@DrL_Reads If you decide to give it a try, I hope you’ll enjoy it!
Just got to finish this and I can't wait for you guys to do chats on the future books. Great team here.
@@andrewlavigne44 Cheers, Andrew!
This discussion brings me joy
@@jakebishop7822 Yay! I thought you might approve!
oh my caught this 3 weeks late, cant wait to see what you guys thing, glad you guys are enjoying dresden files
Thank you for watching!
Love this!!!! Finally you're to the good books!
@@nolangarrett3440 Dead Beat was a blast!
I hope we will still get, even if brief, your thoughts video. This is fun and I can't wait for more but I have always enjoyed your, for want of a better phrase, scholarly take on Dresden.
I thought that Lashiel visited him as his father as a warning that he would hopefully follow. She had to be sneaky to avoid Nicodemus.
Dead Beat was Butcher's first hardback book so Butters was put in this story partially to be able to ask questions that would help readers new to the series understand what was going on in the Dresdenverse.
@@tacorrific Good to know!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy A popular fan theory for Cowl's identity is that he is actually Simon Petrovitch a wizard who was said have been killed in the attack that started the war with the vampires mentioned in Summer Knight I think. A big reason is some silly word play where Simon-Cowl sounds like Simon Cowell the judge from American Idol/America's Got Talent. And Jim Butcher is not above some silliness.
@@tacorrific If the theory proves correct, I can say that the reference went completely over my head, but I like it when authors have fun like that.
I never noticed that the number of letters in the title words match.
Mind . . . blown.
@@jcmberne A pretty clever touch, though I imagine it stretched Butcher’s imagination at times!
Getting close to White Night. That's where I came into the series.
@@TruePerception I look forward to it!
White Knight is so good.
I remember reading book 7 and thinking “HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY UP THE STAKES *MORE*??”
And then I caught up to the series and was like “… ah.”😂
I look forward to that revelation when I progress in the series! Cheers!
Started re-reading (listening) to this series this month, thinking I'd get to one book a month. I've already finished the first three and have Summer Knight from Libby already.
@@roylandrum863 Sounds like the series is working its magic on you!
Funny enough I just finished Proven Guilty and now I'm working through the Prophet of Edan.
@@MichaelWayne13 Well, you have excellent taste! 😁 Cheers, Michael!
I really need to revisit Dresden Files now.
@@MetalGildarts I hope you’ll enjoy the experience, Marco!
The pop culture references are brilliant 😜
Yes! They add fun as well.
Death Masks used to have a much better and funnier name which did not get past the censors: Holy Sheet
@@ilesalmo7724 Ha! That’s too bad about the censors!
I can't believe I missed this 🤦♀️ Ive burned through Dresden about 10 times 🤪
@@ithrahmunchswallow468 Wow! It’s probably fair to say you enjoyed it, then! 😁
I got to near the end death masks when I dropped the series maybe I'll pick it up again seems people really love it. when i read a sex scene with Susan it seemed waaay too close to r*ping someone who was high on drugs and didn't truly have a choice, I'm sure that wasn't what it was supposed to be but stopped in the middle of the scene and haven't started back up in months just felt too uncomfortable when our MC was the on doing it
@@DefinitelyNotAnUndercoverCop That is an issue with Dresden Files that I’ve wrestled with, and it’s what I meant about rooting for Harry despite Harry’s flaws. I didn’t experience that particular scene in quite the same way, but it’s totally understandable that people would. Total respect to anyone who decides the series is not for them on the basis of the sexual aspects of Harry’s thoughts and actions.
I didn't realise that Beat was also being used to refer to territory.
It's very specific to the territory that a police officer covers during regular patrols. "His beat was the down and out part of the lower eastside." Sort of like that. Cheers!
Also, it's American slang. I see by the way you spell "realise" that you're probably not American. We have mangled the English language in so many delightful ways!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy Actually, I am American. That was just a typing goof.
@@TruePerception Ha ha! Well, it's not incorrect if you're British!
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Thank you, Mr. Rorosuri!
Dead Beat is a blast 😂😮🤪
@@ithrahmunchswallow468 It definitely is!
Thanks!
@@ithrahmunchswallow468 Thank YOU! Much appreciated! 😊🙏
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy too much fun!! If you want a lady on the next chat just let me know 🤪
Oh Lashiel 😬😲🤯
Scary!
Quick question but very seriously need to know this, how familiar are you with Journey to the West?
@@PurpleHaki I haven’t read it yet - I’ve only read about it. It’s on my TBR!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy you know it's from like the 1500's and has inspired a majority of eastern fiction that reaches us, son wukong the monkey king and his silly adventures which explore philosophies of Buddhism and Taoism are ever present in eastern fiction
@@PurpleHaki A must read for me now!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy it's not even a must read it's a must know about kind of, Journey to the West is like Asia's Odyssey.
Journey to the west : eastern fiction :: Shakespeare : western fiction
I hate to say this to someone far more educated than myself but you should know the 6 panel storyboard of Journey to the West the same way an Asian professor of literature in Asia should know the 6 panel storyboard of Odyssey or MacBeth. It's just a sort of... foundational lens half of the world is engrained with when it comes to fiction and mythos itself
Oh no laughing at Changes as a title. Just you wait... 😬😉😘
I look forward to it!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy you say that now 😬😉
Did you guys listen?
I actually never listen to audiobooks.😬 I’ve tried them, and I simply enjoy reading the physical book much more. Just a personal preference. But all respect to the audiobook lovers out there!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy Marsters is so good. I can't even see Spike, he is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden 🤪
I love the vampire hierarchy 🤍🖤❤