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NIGHTWISH :The Phantom Of The Opera (1ST TIME HEARING): Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2021
- Tonight we visit Nightwish and the Phantom Of The Opera with TARJA TURUNEN. First Song we have seen with her
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The drama behind Tarja leaving makes for interesting reading, but I wouldn't get too bogged down with trying to figure out the "truth". It was over a decade ago and pretty much everyone involved has said they've moved on and are happy doing what they're doing now. The only people still obsessed with the incident are some extreme fans who have their own interpretation of the facts and still get mad if someone posts a disagreeing opinion. Personally I think every singer has had an important part in making Nightwish what it is today and it's perfectly okay to like more than one of them. Anette gets a lot of hate, but even though her vocal style is not quite to my taste I still think she was good for the band and helped them explore different types of sounds than what they'd done before.
Agreed. For a view from one of the band, there is documentation in Marko's book, Stainless. But I wouldn't recommend it firsthand, ([edit: I would recommend it as a firsthand account is what I meant to type before predictive text took a typing error and completely changed my meaning]) it's an interesting insight into Marko.
You forget that Tuomas' music wouldn't exist that way without that "drama" as media named it. There was a time when Tuomas needs to have utterly adored Tarja, so all those emotions from an unrequited love theme were able to evaporate to the surface through his songs. Without Tarja Tuomas' "Ghost Love Score" era music would probably never came into existence. The good thing about it is that things turned into a happy end. Tarja got a man more manly than that shy, introvert dreamer, she felt sympathy but not love for. After burying his emotions in songs like "Poet & Pendulum" Tuomas found his luck in classic singer Johanna Kurkela who loves Tuomas as what he is and in Floor Jansen who made Nightwish to what it is today.
@@MacZussie the music they made is wrapped in their history and that makes it authentic
It's an open letter available on RUclips, she was a diva, just read the letter yourselves. The whole band signed it with Marco even saying "Either she goes or I go"...... The people spreading drama are the Tarja fans who just can't believe she could possibly be less than perfect & they really should stop with their delusional storytelling!!!! (After all these years it's become really pathetic)
@@TheThamesmen As a man, just watch that footage from 1996-2005 and tell me that Tuomas wasn't attracted by Tarja in one kind or another: ruclips.net/video/z2FwdgZqhyg/видео.html .Consider that Tuomas met Tarja at school and it was him who invited her to sing in his band.
Quotes from Ghost Love score: "We used to swim the same moonlit waters...a siren from the sea came to me...forgive the adoring beast". Tuomas wouldn't be the first poet who developed feelings to his muse. Or "I wish I wouldn't feel for you anymore" (Dead Boy's Poem). If you listen carefully to the lyrics there are far more songs where he was sending messages through his lyrics at that time.
From 2000 on, Tarja started to date Marcelo, a blowhard, roughneck worshipper, rather the opposite of what Tuomas is representing. Through Marcelo's influence Tarja eventually began to separate herself from the band.
In 2003 Tuomas learned about Floor Jansen, when her band "After Forever" acted as Nightwish' support band on tour. To Tuomas disadvantage their two singers started "socializing" (became friends) for obvious reasons. So when Nightwish were releasing their employment ad for the new singer in 2006, Floor did not apply, unlike many other like e.g. Elize Ryd from Amaranthe/Kamelot, who openly admitted that she would have loved to be become the next singer. Things changed when Floor's primal band "After Forever" which she joined by the age of 16, suddenly disbanded in 2009, after loosing its record contract. Watch how Nightwish still kept in contact with her favorite singer: ruclips.net/video/hHtJsiLAkM4/видео.html !!
So it's no surprise for me that Nightwish became less benign when Anette was calling for a hiatus due to a maternity break. Instead the band told her that they intend to continue the tour with a replacement. The story escalated quickly when Anette was told that they want to ask Floor Jansen: "Why her of all people?"...somehow Anette seemed to know that she couldn't hit the stage anymore, after Floor did her job. So their argument was short and severe.
There's a documentation about those days on RUclips called: "Please learn the setlist in 48 hours".
Tarja is simply the Goddess of symphonic metal and music in general. She's perfect, she's queen.
As a Finn i still prefer Floor best option at NW. Tarja is a shadow what she was without NW.
Each person has their own tastes and opinions.
I prefer Tarja, both in the NW days and in her solo career. For me she was, she is, and she will continue to be perfect.
@@DennyMalerba such statements are material for psychologists and maybe for psychiatrists, you have problems here, my friend, there are fixation and frustration and infantilism and just oldfag's butthurt...
@@DennyMalerba everyone has their own tastes, said the cannibal, frying a human liver
Keep in mind that Floor wasn't hired as soon as they fired Tarja (pronounced Tarya ). After Tarja left the band, they hired Anette and she was with the band for several years. It has been said that Tuomas had wanted to hire Floor right away but she had her own band at the time and he didn't want to mess that up for her - and the rest is history. And about the romantic thing - Tuomas and Tarja were good friends for many years but not romantically involved (according to Tuomas, anyway).
Hell of a story and journey
@@TheThamesmen To elaborate a bit on Johns statements, they also didn't hire Anette right away. Tuomas wrote the whole "Dark Passion Play" album without a specific singer in mind. In fact there is a demo version around where all songs are sung by Marco. When Anette was hired, as a mezzo soprano she couldn't go as high as Tarja so some songs had to be changed a bit to accomodate her voice. I suspect some were restored to the original when Floor came along (like Poet and the Pendulum).
@@deeteenw they also had in mind a singer from Austria, she was a singer on a heavy band. She was suppose to come to Finlan but she died of cancer only 27 years old, don't remember her name. When Floor was not available they did go for an open competition. They got around 2000 demos from around the world.
@@TheThamesmen Here' a history, just to find the juicy parts - unless u want to read whole thing? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightwish
@@deeteenw Poet may not have been restored as he simply used a choirboy to do the high classical singing. When Floor performed the Poet she simply replaced the choirboy for the one section but Tuomas wanted the choirboy retained in the first section and it makes sense to me as the purity of the sound is something that a choirboy has exclusivity to now we no longer castrate men :D the Tarja era songs though for sure were changed and even now I think some remain changed as a lot of the old songs were in a different key. You can here it if you play a Tarja version and Floor version back to back and it does make sense as Floor (backed by Tuomas) prefers to belt and it would be impossible to belt the really high notes (she talks about how difficult Everdream is for her) I like these discussions as I always find out little bits of info and learning more is interesting.
And now you just have to check out Floor's version of the Phantom with Henk Poort from the "Best Zangers" program :-)
Will do for sure
It´s an amazing performance... Marco is without a doubt a trained singer with lots of passion - he has his own band "Tarot" - check it out :)
No doubt. Amazing
I suggest the song Tides - Live, to start with Tarot and get a taste of how really good of a singer Marko is.
Thanks for that tip!!
Yes! Do Tarot with Tides 🔥🔥🔥
@@TheThamesmen
or The Voice of My Father from his last solo album, Pyre Of The Black Heart.
The only evidence out there that she was a 'diva' comes from Thoumas' letter. That's it. She seems like one of the more humble people out there to me. I've only been a NW fan for a few years, but I've only ever seen her be kind and gracious.
Only saying This : Tarja was my introduction to symphonic metal, but Floor made me love it !!!
looking forward to what comes next
NWSU
Both hugely talented in their own right
@@TheThamesmen TARJA !!!!!
@@larryzigler6812 FLOOR!!!! 😁
@@cvb6089 Not for the artistically inclined !!!!!!
@@larryzigler6812 Marco! 😊
This is the one that drew me down the rabbit hole to Nightwish . Great presentation of a Broadway show tune .Pure Genius Great reaction
If you are interested in more of Tarja's Songs i request the offical versions of sleeping Sun and nemo.
Tar-ja, pronounced in English Tar-ya. - You can read the open letter that the band gave Tarja after this concert, in which they explained the reasons for firing her, and Tarja’s open letter in which she shared her own views on what happened. They both can be found in the Internet.
Heck, I'd never heard of Nightwish until tonight and I'm hooked. Marco really is an accomplished singer and Tarja well, amazing. Both together are off the scale. Floor is phenomenal. Never heard of her before tonight either. Plenty of catching up to do. Thank you gents.
it is a wild ride with not one bad track yet. Also really cool fan base who have great info and helped us on our journey
All hale THE REAL TRUE QUEEN of Nightwish!!!!!!, the very beautiful looking and unique and enchanting TARJA!!!!!!!!😊👍👍👍👍👍
She has a way for sure
Wow…… you’re still carrying that torch. It’s been awhile.
@@helenespaulding7562 amazing passions around here!
@@TheThamesmen dont pay attention to this guy R.E. he says the same thing on every reaction it's kind of a neurosis
End OF An Era konsert in Helsinki :)
Thanks
I'm sure WEBBER imagined this song like THIS in his head, when he composed it - unfortunately nobody performed it like Nightwish did! They nailed it!
Nothing would surprise me!
Great reaction again! What stands out to me most with this is Marco's crazy singing and it's a shame that he recently decided to leave the band. This was the same show as High Hopes but there was no issues for them performing together on stage. As for the reasons of the band sacking her, it was more about Tarja and her husband focusing more on money, her coming solo career (she already did plan to leave after one more album) , etc. According to the band that is. The romantic feeling part is more some fan speculation and nothing I'd put much stock in, especially since the entire band were behind the firing.
Tuomas did go through a depression from all the backlash and issues that came from firing Tarja and he did put all of that into a song called The Poet and the Pendulum. A song in which he kills himself instead of doing it in real life, as he has put it (although he's also said that he was never actually thinking of physically harming himself). It's absolutely one of Nightwish's best songs in my view and certainly very emotional. A song that's worth reading up a bit more on beforehand, and watching version of the Wembley show performance that includes lyrics, if you decide to get onto that one down the line.
We will for sure. Thanks for info and being here
@@TheThamesmen If you haven't seen it already then you have to watch Beste Zangers, a Dutch singing contest, with Floor singing this with a fellow Dutch theatrical singer Henk Poort who had actually sung the Phantom in the official Dutch version. Tuomas was quite happy after Tarja was fired as he didn't like performing Phantom anyway. Whilst Tarja does a great job here unfortunately it's knocked into a proverbial cocked hat by Floor's version.
Hi guys, great reaction as always. This was recorded in Helsinki in 2005. At the end of this concert Nightwish handed Tarja a letter informing her that she was being fired from the band. They also published it on their website for all to see at the same time. The DVD of this concert was appropriately entitled End Of An Era. The letter as well as Tarja's response and her husband Marcela's response are all online and available to view. They are essential reading before reacting to The Poet And The Pendulum as well as watching an interview with Tuomas were he talks about the meaning behind that song. He actually commits suicide in the song. There is a line in the spoken part of the song which says "now I only have 3 minutes and counting" and exactly 3 minutes later Tuomas commits the suicide! Worth remembering this when you get around to reacting to it and check the time stamps in the video at the appropriate moments. Stay safe 🤘✌
Thanks for background. Heading towards that track for sure.
Maybe not spoil the music and experience before hand?
I haven't listened to the whole "Dark Passion Play" album (I know, shame on me! But in my defense I've been spending my free time watching reaction videos, so what can you do🤷♂️), but from what I know there are at least three songs related to the breakup on the album: "The Poet and the Pendulum"; "Bye Bye Beautiful"; and "Master Passion Greed" are the ones I know of.
"Master Passion Greed" was a total dig at Tarja's husband, which is why the band has never (and will never) play(ed) it live. From what I understand, the other band members never liked him from when they first met him (which was quite a bit of time before Tarja was romantically involved with him, although I don't know how long or the exact details), so they felt it was a betrayal on her part when she (apparently) suddenly married him without informing them beforehand. Add onto that the apparent urging of him to have Tarja take more time off from the band to perform solo, coupled with him (apparently) urging her to essentially build up her own presence more during shows (at the expense of the other banc nembers and the harmony of the band as a whole), and you can see what set the stage for the band firing her.
Now this is all from the perspective of the other band members; from what I've heard, Tarja replied back to them that she didn't know what they were talking about, and didn't understand why they fired her.
Another item that I've heard is that she and the band had agreed to split up after the end of the tour, but the band preemptively fired her via an open letter after this concert (not sure if this was the planned end of the tour at the time, or if they had other concerts planned that they ended up cancelling and/or scrapping because of this).
I wasn't a fan at the time (and hadn't even heard of them until I got three songs from a buddy back in 2011 - which happened to be "Gethsemanie", "She is My Sin", and "Forever Yours" - first two are some of their best IMO, third is good), but I've heard that a huge amount of Nightwish fans were disgruntled (and a lot stopped listening to the band) not just because of the fact that Tarja was fired, but because they were displeased with the way the band handled it.
It's also my understanding that there were no actual romantic feelings from Tuomas (the keyboard player who is also the primary composer and main band founder) to Tarja, but that he considered her his muse and kindred spirit in making music (which is where a lot of the early songs came from).
From what I've heard, both "Ghost Love Score" and "Romanticide" (both from the album "Once", released in 2004) were intended as wake-up calls from the band to Tarja, to try to get her to turn back from the "path of no return" and correct her ways so she could stay with the band (none of this is official, but from what I've seen, read, and know of the band this seems far more plausible to me then Tuomas having an unrequited love for Tarja).
Take it for what you will, just thought I would pass along my (admittedly second hand) knowledge of the band.
Thanks for all of your reactions so far! They gave been great!
@@KristiinaBerg
It's not like he's the only one. Almost everyone tells the reacters to research the song before you react to it, as you won't understand the deeper meanings and purpose of it without that knowledge, which reduces the impact quite a bit.
I can understand why everyone thinks that way, as someone most likely won't catch either the lyrics, nor what's happening to the narrater in the song (i.e., the "Dead Boy" if you will, as I think it's the same person who provided tge voice narrative in bith "Dead Boys Poem" and "Beauty OF the Beast") if you haven't looked into the background and history of the song.
Althiugh it's still a good song without that foreknowledge, most Nightwish fans want to see how the reactirs process the song (hearing/seeing it for the first time) while knowing what it's supposed to be about.
I personally would be interested in watching a reaction of the song going into it blind (i.e., no beforehand knowledge of the song), and then a follow up reaction ( i.e., watch it again) after studying and learning about the song (and then seeing the difference in perspective the reacter has after knowing what the song is about).
Tarja had already informed the band that she wanted to do only one more album and one more tour, and then she was out. The rest of the band already considered her husband's omnipresence and influence toxic, and decided to go ahead and end it because they weren't interested in continuing under those circumstances. She was replaced by Swedish singer Anette Olzon, who I hope you guys can react to soon. There isn't much high quality live stuff of her available of her on RUclips, but the official video of "Amaranth" is a great place to start, followed by the official video of "Bye Bye Beautiful".
"Storytime" official video with Annette is also good, as is "The Islander" official video. A really unique song with Annette is "Slow Love Slow", which was designed for her as she had experience with jazz music.
And for a comparison (not to see who is better, but just to see both similarities and contrasts between the singers), I would recommend listening to the studio (album) version of "Song of Myself" as sung by Annette. I had already listened many times (and fallen in love with) the Wacken 2013 version of it before I heard the original, and I was amazed at how good Annette's version was (especially compared to Floor - not saying she was better than Floor, but I felt that the way she sang it was about on par with Floor's version, which shocked me)!
You now need to watch Floor and Henk Poort singing Phantom of the Opera on the show "Beste Zangers".
Will do. Thanks
First singer was Tarja, fired after this Show in 2005. She was replaced 2 years later with Annett Olzon. Tuomas wrote the song "The Poet and the Pendulum" to deal with his depression. In TPATP he then kills himself (in the song). That's why this song is so special for every NW fan. The ultimative version is with Floor 2015 live from Wembley. Annett was replaced during the 2012 US Tour with Floor. There is a great documentary on YT about that "Please learn the Setlist in 48 hours". If you wanna discover Annett react to the official video "Bye bye beautyful'. And there are two fantastic songs which Floor left untouched: "Eva" "Maedows of Heaven" 😊
Love Floor. Tarja was the foundation for the Nightwish sound. She was the beacon for Tuomas compositions.
Interesting. Do you think his compositions changed after she left?
@@TheThamesmen They changed completely after she left. His music is much less personal and more folk/pop.
Okay. Will have to listen to more pre and post to get better feel ourselves
@@TheThamesmen I need to correct myself. The first album after Tarja left was very personal. He wrote three songs about the firing on that album. After that, it was a completely different sound.
@@TheThamesmen IMO they are perhaps less angsty and dark. But then again so is he!
Gentlemen……before you go to the concert in October, you should watch the documentary of when Floor joined Nightwish. It’s really fascinating, and let’s you get to know the band members more personally.
Would be fascinating and I agree we should. Have a bit more time as show now postponed to 2022. Not exactly sure why though, probably COVID I guess.
@@TheThamesmen Floor explained in her latest interview that there were Visa problems, and that was the reason for changing the dates.
@@TheThamesmen In last week’s interview, Floor was frustrated with how Covid-19 was handled by politicians and mentioned that they would not get the necessary visas to get to perform. They don’t promise anything happening right now until they’re on stage, they’re trying to do their best to let them perform.
Floor talks about this topic in Peter Orullia’s 1.5-hour talk show. Peter is from Seattle. Seattle always stays in Floor's mind.
ruclips.net/video/JbiTuE3rxW8/видео.html
@@casualinnordicnature will check it out thank you
@@silvia4809 how annoying
Marco Hietala💪🇫🇮😍!!
He is a amazing
Welcome to the first era of Nightwish! 😁 Tarja, the woman you just heard, is the first vocalist and one of the founding members of the group, who was born in 1996. Of the band's 9 studio albums, 5 were recorded with her, 2 with Anette and 2 with Floor, the current singer. Most of the songs people suggest in Floor's voice were not originally recorded by her, so it would be nice if in addition to the newer versions you also heard the originals. Each song sounds completely different depending on who is singing. The band also went through other member changes. Drummer Jukka was replaced by Kai and bassist Sami was replaced by Marko, the man singing in this video. In turn, Marko recently announced his departure and, so far, Nightwish has a temporary bass player.Tarja left the band in 2005, before RUclips existed. Most of the live performances from her time were posted by fans. This video you just watched is from the DVD "End of an era". This entire DVD is incredible. A curiosity about this show is that Tarja hardly did it. She was sick that day and recorded this show on medication. You can usually find good videos with Tarja on the "Nightwish Arena" channel. As for Anette, I advise you to always listen to the studio versions of her. Live videos are not usually very good with Anette, but she has a beautiful voice. Floor joined Nightwish in 2012 as a temporary member and became permanent in 2013. It is easy to find good live performances with her. Many of these videos were posted by the band itself. In general the Nightwish live performances are magical, but the studio versions are also excellent. In addition, there are some iconic songs that you will not find live version or, when you do, the quality of the recording is terrible. An example of this is "Beauty of the beast". This is a song from Nightwish's fourth album, "Century Child". So far only Tarja has sung it. There is a live version, but the quality of the existing videos is very bad, even in the remastered ones. This can ruin your experience. Because of that, I strongly suggest the studio version. If you like to enjoy the lyrics of the songs, "Beauty of the beast" has a romantic gothic style. Nightwish had a different style in Tarja's time. Originally the band was a mix of Gothic metal, power metal, symphonic music and folk music. From Anette on, the influences of power metal and gothic metal are almost nonexistent. It is important not to confuse "Beauty OF the beast" with "Beauty AND the beast". Nightwish has these two songs. In case you want to know, there is a good live version of "Beauty AND the beast" recorded on the dvd "From wishes to eternity". This is the band's first DVD. It was recorded in 2000 and released in 2001, before Marko joined the group. It is a much simpler DVD than the ones Nightwish makes today, but it is excellent. At the beginning of their career the band did not have many financial or technical resources. This is a 20-year-old recording. At the time the group was on their third album, "Wishmaster", and they had done their first world tour. Tarja has a solo career with many iconic performances and partnerships. I would like to suggest "Victim of ritual", a live performance recorded at Woodstock in 2016. If you prefer something quieter, I suggest the song "The Living End", a live performance recorded in a church in Wacken. In this performance, Tarja is accompanied only by a piano, a violin and a cello. It's beautiful. There is a video of this performance on Wacken TV channel. It's a video with 6 songs, but in the description there is their name for you to click and be taken to the one you want. Thank you!
I think most of the people already told you everything about Tarja departure from the band. Maybe you want to read the opening letter that the band wrote to her and also her response. After that you just need to react to "The poet and the pendulum", the song where Thomas commited suicide to avoid do it in real life. He was inspired by the poem "The pit and the pendulum" by Edgar Allen Poe.
Tarja, Annette then Floor came in mid tour 2012 in Denver. That was six months prior to the 2013 Wacken show. Also check out Floor with Dutch vocalist Henk Poort doing Phantom. Find it on the show Besteszangers. I think that's how it's spelled.
Correction, Floor joined AFTER the Salt Lake City, Utah show (which was Annette's last show with the band, approximately 28 Sep 2012) which is where she joined the band and traveled with them by bus to the Seattle, Washington show two days after she arrived in SLC (hence the documentary "Please Learn the Setlist in 48 Hours").
Denver was the show that Annette missed due to illness, and the band informed the crowd asking if they would rather have the show canceled, or if they wanted the band to play the concert without Annette (which the crowd almost unanimously wanted). The band had the singers from the band "Kamelot" (who was their opening act during this part of the tour) help out with singing the songs, with Marko singing some by himself that would have normally been sung by Annette.
Annette returned to the lineup a couple of days later for the SLC show (which apparently she wasn't 100% healthy for; I've heard that it was partially due to flu, and partially due to pregnancy, but the only thing I know is that she wasn't looking particularly healthy around this time of the tour...at least, not to me). The band ended up firing her right after the SLC show ended (flashbacks of 2005, anyone?)
I heard there were issues leading up to this (friction happening before she got sick and hospitalized in Denver with fever and flu-like symptoms), but I don't know the details.
Interesting fact: when Tuomas called Floor to have her join the band for the rest of the tour, she apparently was at a wedding, and so didn't get the message right away; when she found out, she rushed to get on a flight to SLC, and as they say, the rest is history!
Correction, Floor joined AFTER the Salt Lake City, Utah show (which was Annette's last show with the band, approximately 28 Sep 2012) which is where she joined the band and traveled with them by bus to the Seattle, Washington show two days after she arrived in SLC (hence the documentary "Please Learn the Setlist in 48 Hours").
Denver was the show that Annette missed due to illness, and the band informed the crowd asking if they would rather have the show canceled, or if they wanted the band to play the concert without Annette (which the crowd almost unanimously wanted). The band had the singers from the band "Kamelot" (who was their opening act during this part of the tour) help out with singing the songs, with Marko singing some by himself that would have normally been sung by Annette.
Annette returned to the lineup a couple of days later for the SLC show (which apparently she wasn't 100% healthy for; I've heard that it was partially due to flu, and partially due to pregnancy, but the only thing I know is that she wasn't looking particularly healthy around this time of the tour...at least, not to me). The band ended up firing her right after the SLC show ended (flashbacks of 2005, anyone?)
I heard there were issues leading up to this (friction happening before she got sick and hospitalized in Denver with fever and flu-like symptoms), but I don't know the details.
Interesting fact: when Tuomas called Floor to have her join the band for the rest of the tour, she apparently was at a wedding, and so didn't get the message right away; when she found out, she rushed to get on a flight to SLC, and as they say, the rest is history!
I know I might get flamed for this comment, but I didn't like the Beste Zangers version as much as Nightwish's version.
Floor did an excellent job with her part, but I think that it didn't quite match up to Tarja's (I give Floor an A- or A to Tarja's A+). Although Floor is an amazing singer and has unmatched versatility, on the purely classical or operatic songs I feel she's just that bit behind a pure specialist like Tarja.
And even though he tried to copy Marko, Henk Poort is no Marko Hietala. He did a better job than any contemporary opera singer (although I'm about 95% sure that was due to Floor coaching him up on how Marko sang his parts with Nightwish), but there's no way he could come close to the passion, energy, and personality Marko put into his rendition(s) back in 2004 and 2005. I give him props for going outside his comfort zone (and the traditional portrayal of the Phantom), but at best it's a B to Marko's A+.
No disrespect intended for Floor, as there are also quite lot of songs that Tarja can't quite match up to Floor (particularly anything with contemporary rock or pop sounds).
Was working in that gig, we don’t have clue what’s gonna after concert, but if you look at the guys you see that something is goin on.. After all everything goes right 🙏🏻 Tarja’s husband was Yoko Ono of Nightwish and now we have Floor ❤️❤️❤️🇫🇮
Wow you were there? Historic really
@The Thamesmen Jep. Was working 20 years in business. Stage crew kind of..nothing special. But that was emotional rollercoaster night..
@@bocatampere to be a fly on the wall as they say!
Enjoyed the reaction, thank you. Three singers with three styles, please don't compare....It could turn into a major dust up. In MY opinion Tarja is operatic, Anette is pop and Floor is a bridge between the two plus rock. Look forward to your next post. Be well.
Thanks for the info!
I imagine that for many people, their favorite singer would be whoever they heard first and most. I like both Tarja and Floor for slightly different reasons. If/when you do some songs during Annette's era, I'd recommend Amaranth, the Islander, or Bye Bye Beautiful.
Although The Islander is best live at Tampere to really hear Marco. Annette doesn't feature much so try the other two suggested, but not live.
Annette had quite a few really good songs with Nightwish ("Storytime", "Song of Myself", and "Slow Love Slow" are three other fantastic songs not mentioned), but she really struggled with live performances. I haven't seen enough to guess what the actual issues are, but what I have seen she seems to have problems with her breath control (particularly farther into the concert). It could be illness, physical fitness, poor technique, mental, emotional, or a plethora of other possible causes or combinations thereof.
Whatever the reason, she was a great studio artist who struggled at long concerts.
"The Islander" official video is well worth the watch (even if not for a reaction) just due to the emotional impact from the visuals (song spoiler alert ahead):
Especially when you understand that the song is about an old sailor/lighthouse operator who is going to commit suicide because his wife and children gave all died vefire him, and he's tired of this life by himself😥 (not sure if there were ever any grandchildren, or if they had also died).
My family has had a few impacts from suicide/suicide attempts, so this song hits very deep.
Next wishmaster, a tarja song 😊
So this gig is from the live DVD (End of an Era) which was their last gig with Tarja. I was in sixth form (at Lord Williams's) when this came out and they broke the news of her firing. She told her story, they told there's but the truth I think is somewhere in the middle. I remember being a devasted angst ridden teen over this 😂
She was accused of diva like antics, but it also seems that maybe they weren't accomodating for her needs and requests - but that was so long ago and I'm sure they've all moved in. In fact Marko and Tarja had a sort of reunion in stage a few years ago which was sweet, and in fact Tarja and Floor are good friends.
Good to know. They all seem to be doing okay now!
So fun to watch you two
thank you. We do this because we love music and like hanging out and trying to make each other laugh.
@@TheThamesmen I also listen much music and looks reaction who have openmind - good music is good regardless what genre so you two have right attitude for reaction - thank you
Hope you had great time here Alex ☺️ 🇬🇷
Greetings from a greek fan of yours guys! Great reaction videos on the most amazing band 🤘
Awesome! Thank you!
Great as always chaps, yeah that performance was from the same concert as High Hopes so her final gig. One aspect from the situation was that Tarja (most often pronounced "Tar'ya")had said to the band that she would record one more album with them then go solo, which ofc the band were not happy with. And they fired her via "open letter", which meant the world found out the same time she did basically, she also responded with an open letter which is worth reading too. But yeah Floor is the 3rd singer, Anette Olson is the singer between Tarja and Floor. But yeah focus on the music chaps, the whole Tarja / Anette / Floor debate can bog you down and the chat can get toxic over it, but I view all three as having their place in Nightwish history, but for me personally after 21 years listening to them and going to their concerts, they struck gold with Floor.
Thanks for anything with divine precious TARJA.
Her 16 year solo career is vast brilliant and diverse.
Besides the exquisite vocals she's a brilliant song writer, collaborator, producer, musician and more.
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Floor’s version, shortened due toTV show.... Beste Zangers 2019! She can match the operatic, plus ROCK! The second version was of the break up is documented in the letter from the band. The original band members were originally friends back to school years.
Nightwish has had 3 Queens; Tarja, Annette, and Floor. All three of them have a dedicated fan base, and then the rest of us who love them all. haha.
Well done Thamesmen. Well done. This was the last stop on a tour which they typically end in Finland. This last stop was unique for a couple of reasons. They chose to film a DVD/CD from this concert as well as this being Tarja's final performance. Of course, she was unaware when she took the stage this would be her last performance with Nightwish. The rest of the band knew and you can catch glimpses of the emotions on their faces throughout, particularly Tuomas. Jukka reportedly had a migraine headache. You can see him here and in High Hopes slumping over his drum kit at times.
As an OG Nightwish fan, watching this DVD brings back fond memories. We loved the operatic Tarja next to distorted/melodic Metal. And our hearts were heavy when we read the "open letter" that she was officially gone. A few more years of turmoil and drama until we arrived at Ms. Floor Jansen. And now we live in a state of pure bliss. She immediately transformed them and there was an energy and vitality that was missing before. Nightwish started smiling at one another. The camaraderie was apparent. Floor's powers of seduction are real.
A great story and great music from it
What reaction! Greetings from Finland. 😷🌹
What a band! Thank you for being here and greetings from the USA
This was filmed at Hartwall Arena, Helsinki Finland. Their last show of World Tour. Btw, "High Hopes" was from this concert too...
So a tense time then. Interesting
Great reaction as always boys !
Floor does a version of this song with Henk Port on the dutch tv show Beste Zangers !
Check it out 👍
Will do. Thank you
Awesome, thanks for the reaction fellas. I've just binge watched all of your Nightwish videos! Subbed for more Nightwish :D Can highly recommend doing 'Dark Chest of Wonders' live from Wacken 2013 (pronounced as Vuck-en), which is the concert opener and an absolute BANGER, or 'Wish I had an Angel'. Also, 'Nemo' and 'Everdream' from the same concert are equally as amazing! Honestly... anything from Wacken 2013 will give you goosebumps ;)
Many many thanks. Be well.
OMG poeple are running amok !!!! (in the comments) hahaha 😂
Much Love
Sorry if we stirred something up. No idea!!
Aboout shooting to the air in weddings , still happens at some weddings in specific areas like Crete that has a gun culture.. And Tarja is pronounced "Tar-ya" as in " *YA* -rd"
Thankyou! I knew it!
i liked this
It was quite something!
I love Tarja so much
She's an amazing voice
Well, you could just read the letter and find out for yourselves why band fired her. And please, dont believe those silly rumors about romance..
Yes, Tuomas and Tarya is hearsay and should be ignored. There's no evidence I've ever seen.
OK.
For one more time everybody compare the singers and speake bad for tarja or floor . What a shame for nightwish to have so few true fans.
yes, Tarja leaving the band was quite the story; Tuomas wrote "the Poet and the Pendulum" about it....when you react to it, use the Wembly 2015 version.....BTW, notice Captain Jack Sparrow on the front of the keyboard.....
Now you gotta see the operatic capabilities of Floor as well: I recommend "O mio Babbino Caro" or " The phantom of the opera" duet with Henk Port
Will check out though am not sure it is a competition!
@@TheThamesmen For sure it isn't, you're right. We have to always praise each artist's talent with the knowledge that each singer gave/gives her best.
Those suggestions are just geared towards the discovery of Floor's versatility and the joy in doing so.
This is the from the same concert as High Hopes. End of an Era, Oct 21, 2005. Helsinki, Finland.
Tarjas husband was the biggest reason for letting her go, they just couldn't go on anymore. I think before you give anything to this song...you have to listen to the original, or to the whole musical Phantom Of The Opera, and I can only wish and hope Tuomas would write one too. :) but great to see you with Nightwish again.
George here, see Phantom many years ago in London. Amazing show
Floor and Tarja had a long Instagram chat in december of 2020. The J in Tarja is NOT silent think of a Y.
I still love Tarja’s voice and that era of Nightwish.
She sure has a great voice. Isn’t music also linked with the time in our lives we hear it? Does that not add the factor of nostalgia to our assessment of something?
As always, of course, a great reaction 😁.
Next time, however, you should be careful that you run the video at the right speed. That was clearly too fast. Here the Smurfs sang. 😁
Really? Sorry for that. Completely unintentional. Must have picked a bad version to watch. How annoying. Damn it!
@@TheThamesmen
Not so wild. 😁
You should listen to Floor's version of PotO now. She sings with Henk Poort the original dutch phantom.
ruclips.net/video/plCScjvDOJM/видео.html
Will do. Thanks
@@TheThamesmen
Tarja was with Tuomas Friends since childhood. They were like siblings. Her husband/manager has changed everything. There were never romantic feelings. He was all about money and he insinuated romantic feelings and poisoned the atmosphere. Tuomas was also with another woman and still is.
@@TomTomson81 nothing like a bit of gossip!
Floor/Henk in "Beste Zangers" Phantom !!!! is Brilliant !!
Will do. Thank you
@@TheThamesmen guys just keep in mind with all the comments here you see that many NW fans still have issues with 16 yrs ago, but neither Tarja or Anette are going to sell tickets and fill venues for NW only Floor can do that she is NOW & the future of NW and 80% of the fan base on YT is in that arena,she deserves to be the focus and as you have barely touched upon her diverse and amazing talents you will understand the passion the fans have for her to get the recognition she deserves.
The second singer, Anette Olzon did some lovely songs too. I have only recently gone back and listened to the albums she recorded with Nightwish just to get a feel for all of their material. I especially enjoyed Eva and Meadows of Heaven, though I believe Bye Bye Beautiful was the big hit when she was singing with them.
Would be interesting to hear for sure. Guessing would be a less controversial post than a Tarja video seems to be!
This song and 'High Hopes' are from the same gig (2005), and yes, Tarja was fired just after by an open letter.... The backlash put Tuomas, the leader, songwriter and keyboardist into a deep depression, which - luckily for us all - made him create 'The poet and the Pendulum', maybe his greatest work. It was his catharsis, and kept him sane.
The band had a second singer, Anette Olzon, from 2006 to 2012. Almost the direct opposite of Tarja vocally. More poppy, no opera diva. Although perfectly adequate she didn't have the power in her voice to do the big live performances well. The best I've seen her is from the studio recording of 'Scaretale' (2011), check that out. The chemistry in the band seems to have soured over time, and when she got sick on tour in the US in 2012, the had to find a replacement. 'Learn the setlist in 24 hours, Floor'. And so history was made.
Look up "Beste Zangers" with Floor and Henke Poort doing Pantom as well. Same song but still different :)
According to the band, the issue was that Tarja's husband was injecting himself more into the band and Tarja was pushing for that. The band was not interested in that path and Tarja had become less involved--except for the shows. "Master Passion Greed" was written about that, and "Poet and the Pendulum" is about Tuomas's feelings on the breakup and the fans painting him as the "bad guy". Technically, Tarja is an incredible singer, but in the end, Tuomas is the one that puts the music and words into her mouth. My feeling was that she probably got a little diva-ish and the band finally had enough.
Sounds likely. Tough when people loose sight of the big picture
This version is so much better
That's what the band said it happened. You should hear the other version. That version is that Tuomas was in love of Tarja for many years and couldn't bear that she married somebody else. So that would change everything. Nobody knows because every part decided not to talk about anymore and stayed like that since then. We just have the best era of Nightwish to remember.
@@andresweiland3714- Tarja wanted to be the centre of attention, and she wanted more money. She even suggested that the ticket prices be increased so the band members get paid more. Just look at her in this video. All the guys are wearing neutral colours, while Tarja is there in a gold dress, with a gold microphone stand, as if to say, "look at me, look at me." She looks like an out of place Christmas decoration. She thought she was bigger than the band. In the end, the band proved otherwise.
@@erwinzyx I dont think so. Tarja only asked to less concerts to prepare classical concerts, and later said to the band that she was going to make just one more album and then is going to be out. And Tuomas decided to avoid the problems fired her right after concert in a bad way as he recognized later.
She didn't have to call attention, everybody looked at her. Custom changes was something admitted and promoted by the band. Doesn't have Floor her own outfits, they don't call attention? of course! she is beautiful, how not to look to Floor or to Tarja? Tuomas lucky boy to have this singers in his band. Anyway, I won't believe this rumors by people who don't know a shit about it. Believe what you want. They are happy just the way they are.
Tarja is a lyrical soprano. Without Tarja, there wouldn`t be Nightwish, as we know it. She is one of the founders of the band and her voice gave Tuomas the direction into sinfonic metal. She was going to leave the band even if not being fired.
Please react to End of all hope and I wish I had an angel with Nightwish and Supremacy and Victim of ritual with Tarja solo in Woodstock 2016.
Thanks for info and guidance. Will take a look forward sure
I’m just gonna throw my vote in for Floor and Henk Phantom version because I can only guess you have a shite tonne of requests already 😂
Edit: It’s pronounced Tar-E-Ya
I agree with you guys! Generally I prefer Floor because of range, versatility and stage presence, but for this one (and a couple of others) Tarja does it better in my opinion. It suits her voice. BUT - no one is better than Marko 🔥 He is my favourite Nightwish vocalist 😀 His notes in Everdream are killer! You should do that one!
Thanks for the tip
Great reactioon!
Thank you and thank you for being here
The gig was NW's last with Tarja ever in Helsinki. A few minutes later she was publicly fired.
:( Poor gal
If you like operatic duets from another Finnish symphonic Prog band try Dark Sarah - Dance With The Dragon. The Bass player from Dark Sarah replaced Marco in Nightwish.
Oh interesting on bassist front. Would be worth checking out to see what is coming
well now you have to react to Floor's version of Phantom of the Opera (not with Nightwish, but with Henk Poort, the original Phantom in the Netherlands production). It was during a Dutch TV show, Beste Zangers 2019, and it's to be found here on RUclips. In case you don't anticipate it, she nailed it even better than Tarja did - though some may crucify me for this comment. :)
I won't crucify you, but I will disagree. I think Floor did an excellent job, but in my opinion not quite as good as the pure operatic voice and singing style of Tarja.
And do you seriously think that Henk Poort's (slightly awkward) mimicking of Marko is actually as good (or even near as good) as what Marko did? I give Mr. Poort props for his attempt (and stepping outside his training/comfort zone), but in no way does he come anywhere close to Marko's sound, style, passion, energy, or personality as the Phantom!
I've said it before, but I'm 95% percent sure Mr. Poort only attempted this particular rendition after Floor coached him up on how Marko sang it. Although some parts sound pretty good, his character (and stage presence) doesn't match up anywhere close to the raw, unbridled touch of madness Marko brought to his version of the Phantom! Mr. Poort's version came across to me as more of a somewhat angry, somewhat stern (and very slightly domineering) distinguished gentleman trying to get somone to do his bidding without losing his composure.
Whereas Marko brought full on somewhat insane villain, domineering and seducing poor young lass into doing anything he wants, and her full on being brainwashed into it (and here I will make another comparison: to me, Tarja played up and that aspect with Stockholm syndrome, whereas Floor was still a genteel lady cooperating with a gentleman to sing a song, but not much of the insane or villainous aspect of the actual characters or reason for what they did).
The Phantom is supposed to be that passionate, charismatic villain who is at least partly insane and good at brainwashing others into following his ideology, even if somewhere deep inside they know it's wrong. I believe the Nightwish rendition fully captured this aspect of the song (and probably far better than any other performance of this song/play than anyone else has ever attempted), while the Beste Zangers version was at most a slightly domineering (but still polite) CEO browbeating his workers into working harder on a project (maybe with unpaid overtime). And that's the difference vetween the two.
I disagree 😉 I stopped crucifying people when it became illegal 😁😁😁 seriously, This performance is way above Floors and Henks. This is my opinion.
Impossible to compare. This version is great if you visit Nightwish concert and expect loud music. Audience watching a tv show on a Thursday evening on national broadcast channel during prime time, might zap that away, the version of Floor and Henk was in that case a better showcase, and at least that Beste Zangers show with Floor led me to buy some Nightwish Albums... I love the music.
Thanks again guys
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You are welcome
Hi guys - Alex is getting closer to here in England is see- like you I am a Floor fan but best to enjoy Tarja as a great singer , and don’t forget Annette was leading vocals for some years in between (2007-2102) - fun fact did you notice yellow microphone with yellow dress , she would change colour of microphone to match outfit through show .
I see people have mentioned the floor/ Henk version of phantom on Beste Zengers show def worth checking out and the band on show are A1 in fact so good Floor has them on her solo show and she performed live with them in Amsterdam only this week .( and they did some Nightwish numbers ! ) Finally please do move towards Poet and Pendulum ( Wembley version ) and Greatest Show On earth ( Tampere in Finland , version with fireworks please🙏 ) in the near future , I know it’s over 20 minutes but I’d love to see your reaction and the Nightwish army would stay with you for a reaction of this length ; keep well .
Be well!!
both stories have some truth alex, there was speculation that tuomas had feelings for tarja for years and when you read the lyrics of some of the songs it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they were about her. but by far the more likely story was about tarja's husband marcelo, they wrote the angriest song i've ever heard from nightwish called master passion greed about him. he was pushing tarja to demand majority of the profits, convinced her nightwish was nothing without her and that she should go solo, which she was planning to do. so the band took matters into their own hands and unanimously agreed the time had come to part ways with her, even though it was a unanimous decision tuomas recieved all of the hate and flak from fans and media and even the prime minister of finland stepped in to comment on the situation, it drove tuomas into a deep depression fearing he had killed his dream (nightwish) and in that depresssion he wrote his lyrical suicide in poet and the pendulum, to avoid doing it in real life
Wow. It is an epic drama/tragedy
@@TheThamesmen that is a recipe for great music🤓
@@TheThamesmen actually the ultimatum came from Marko who said: either she goes or I go .
Tarja4Evr ❤️❤️❤️
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I love Tarja but in my mind Floor is another lvl!
Nothing heard like Foor!
Both great. Just different. Example. Love a good German Bratwurst sausage but also can love a Cumberland. Very different, both sausages and love both.
Tarja i find has a really technically precise and pure voice whereas Floor is more versatile and she puts a lot more emotion in her voice that really grabs a person on the emotional level
Spot on! Emotions
Yeh, but the Phantom isn't written as an opera, it is a musical.
@@Paul_C did not comment on what type of music phantom was i was giving my thoughts on the differences in their voices and as performers and that is why i don't compare them as one being better than the other
This was at Hartwall Arena in Finland, their home country and the first time they got to play there, so it was a big deal for the whole band. This was also the night they fired Tarja (Tar-yah) after the show through an open letter. They did a group hug after the show, handed her the letter, and asked her to not open it until the next day. The reason they fired her, that is actually supported by evidence, is that she went diva on them, fueled by her husband's greed and interjecting himself between her and the band. The rumors that Tuomas was in love with her and because she married someone else, so he fired her, is BS. It makes for a great romantic tragedy, but there is no evidence to support this. Tuomas and Tarja went to the same music school and were close friends. He very much loved her in that way, but the decision to fire her was the entire band's and the record label's. Tuomas as leader took responsibility for the firing, as a good leader should, and he received extremely harsh backlash for it. Almost to the point that he was suicidal. Instead of taking his life, he committed suicide in song form in "The Poet and the Pendulum" so that he wouldn't do it for real.
Lots of info. Many thanks. Be well a s more NW soon.
My world suddenly speed up two thousand times :D
It’s from the same concert as High Hopes. This is (usually) in my Top 5 NW songs. Tarja is also a phenomenal singer but, yes, different from Floor. Still loving your fun-filled reactions. You need to understand the back story to Tarja’s departure before you react to the Poet and the Pendulum and Master Passion Greed.
Heard some of the back story. What an epic tale
@@TheThamesmen guys you really should also do Floor's amazing version from the "pivotal" Beste Zangers 2019 with Henk Poort the original Dutch phantom and a favorite of ALW.
Floor Jansen & Henk Poort - Phantom Of The Opera | Beste Zangers 2019 :
ruclips.net/video/plCScjvDOJM/видео.html
@@TheThamesmen Nobody will know for sure the real story of what happened. It is most likely a bit of both. As far as romantic feelings, again, nobody knows for sure but at this point I think people just want to see that, in reality Tuomas and Tarja were childhood friends, and they started the band together. Having to fire her was a painful choice for him. It doesn't have to be romantic, if you are having to do that to a dear friend, for the sake of the thing you made together.
The truth, however, is that Tarja was planning to leave anyway. This was a known thing, stated by herself to further her solo career, but it was not supposed to be for a couple albums later. However, the tension between her husband/manager and the feeling that she was putting herself before the band as a family is what really drove things to where they were by that point.
As far as Tarja's singing, yes she is a remarkable singer and many prefer her style of singing, however, it was for the most part classical/operatic which gave Nightwish at the time a distinct flavor, but to me it also pigeonholed Tuomas into composing a certain way because that was the style of his singer. Now Tarja did change up her style to a slightly more contemporary sound as the years went on, and you can hear that greatly in the "Once" album which their most popular album with Tarja (according to sales).
She still had that classical/operatic vibe though which to me always formed a disconnect with the feelings and emotions of the music.
Now take Floor. Which she isn't as trained classically as Tarja, she does have that training. She is also a technical vocal professional, in that she is always trying to perfect her techniques. I think, one of the things that makes her fit so well with Nightwish is that she can adapt her style to whatever composition Tuomas would write. He isn't pigeonholed like he was with Tarja or Anette and that really shows in the two albums he has done with Floor and also the way he has changed the older songs to a different style when Floor sings them. It's not that she can't sing like Tarja or Anette but she can do anything, so why not play with that amazing versatility if given the chance?
Edit: Also want to point out the style change because of the addition of Troy to the band which was not there in the earlier albums and adding more Marko's vocals into the songs as well as Troy's.
Anyway, what I am saying is, yes both Tarja and Anette were amazing singers for their time in the band but Floor just adds that extra something that was always missing to this dynamic group of musicians.
@@dyingbreed1951 Well said, you put into words what i was feeling with Tarja: while she has a beautifull rounded and warm voice, for me the operatic style disconnects with the feelings and emotions of the music.
Planet Hell, Wishmaster, Sleeping Sun, and Wish I Had An Angel from the same End of an Era concert are much better representations of Tarja's voice from that era of time. However, Tarja's voice and style has shifted and developed a bit since then. She somewhat forced the soprano sound back then when she's more of a mezzo type. She has a rich lower register and she makes use of it in her newer works. Examples of modern Tarja would be her live cover of Muse's Supremacy, and the acoustic live performance of I Walk Alone Live in Milan (From Act II).
Tarja was 1996 - 2005 she was replace with Annette 2006 - 2012. Floor is 2012 - Current
If you hear this one and the other one with FLoor / Henk Poort - you never can go back to poppy presentations with Sarah Brightman and Antonio Banderas (sorry for those last 2 ..)
Great reaction guys ! Floor did the Phantom with Hank Poort on the Dutch TV show Beste Zangers, maybe you would be interested to listen to it (that's not the Nightwish version even if it's heavier than the original Phantom of the Opera).
ruclips.net/video/plCScjvDOJM/видео.html
Thanks for link. Will check it out
@@TheThamesmen Do it! Trust me, you don't want to miss it.
@@TheThamesmen second that!
@@TheThamesmen that whole show Beste Zangers 2019 is a MUST for reactions ! that show is a pivotal moment for Floor & NW !
well, you do know that ghost love score was written for Tarja :-) Named my daughter after her. Though I also love Floor, I won't compare them because they each have their own style
Love that!
Read the open letter & her reply to get the facts. The romance angle is merely fan fiction. Definitely broken hearts due to damaged friendships though of course.
Must have been a tough time. Glad they survived it.
The only other major band I know of to obtain Fleetwood Mac level drama and still keep it together.
Not sure Fleetwood Mac kept it together!
@@TheThamesmen They continued working together and made decent music years after they destroyed each others personal relationships.
PS, on some songs I prefer Tarja. Nemo, Sleeping Sun, the early stuff that was written for her.
Concert in Helsinki Finland Hartwall Arena 2005.
Perfect thank you
Hey, you guys should check out Floor Jansen and Henk Poort duet the phantom of the opera Beste zangers Dutch reality show 2019, awesome thanks 😀
@The Thamesmen, you've got to give The Islander by Nightwish a listen. You won't be sorry.
NOTED. Thanks for being here and have a great weekend.
Webbers favorite cover ;)
Nightwish's 3 singers:
1. Tarja (original singer): 1995 to 2005
2. Annette: 2006 to 2012
3. Floor (current singer): 2013 to 2020+
everyone knows Floor, she's super popular with everyone, especially right now, and is a really good singer, having a huge variety of singing capability (pop, classical/opera, belting, growling/raspy), able to sing nightwish's old songs that were for Tarja's classical/opera singing, as well as new songs for her own variety/range of singing abilities
Unfortunately for Annette, she's a pop/rock singer, and a very good singer too, but her pop/rock singing just didn't go that well with nightwish's music, which was made for Tarja's dark classical/opera singing. So, usually, she gets left out.
so, it comes down to "Targasm” (Tarja) vs “Floorgasm” (Floor) in terms of the Nightwish singers in who you like most, if you like classical/opera singing better, Tarja is better at it, but that's all she does while with nightwish, as nightwish was created for tarja's unique dark operatic singing/voice, (now with her own band, or solo, she does a greater range of singing), but she does it really well, she's really got a beautiful voice, if you like more pop singing, belting and growling/raspy, with or without classical/opera singing, than you like Floor better
I knew nightwish from the early 2000s, so Nightwish will always be with Tarja, but Nightwish with Floor is really good too, but it's Tarja, who's my favorite singer with nightwish
(many others will help you out with Floor's songs, so I'll just stick to Tarja's songs here)
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if you do like Tarja with nightwish, here's some good ones:
(NOT ranked, just listed)
1. End of an Era (her last concert with nightwish, hard to find good quality and the entire concert, as it gets taken down)
2. Phantom of the Opera (her duet with Marco, really good, both of them together, this song was actually used in the Phantom of the Opera remake movie in 2004)
3. Wishmaster
4. Planet Hell (marco sings in this song as well)
5. End of All Hope
6. Dead Boy's Poem
7. Nemo (watch the official music video and also her live performance of it)
8. Kinslayer
9. she is my sin
10. wish I had an angel
11. slaying the dreamer
12. the siren
13. dead to the world
14. 10th man down
15. walking in the air
and many more too
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Tarja has her own stage performance/presence, but the focus is on the entire band (much more respectful), unlike with floor, where the focus is almost entirely on her, and also, Phantom of the Opera isn't about that much showmanship, so you're not seeing more of Tarja's performance/presence (love how the camera work and Tarja worked together, with her ducking down, seeing Marcus as he delivered his singing, and then Tarja stands back up, seeing her face back in the camera as Marco's part ends and hers begins again, Tarja is really such a team player, as she could have had all the focus upon herself, like Floor gets, but instead she chooses to give the entire band the respect and focus that they too deserve, it's not all about Tarja, like it is with Floor, despite how good Tarja is and thus how she could be the entire focus with nightwish, as is Floor with nightwish)
there's other songs, where Tarja was way way way more stage performance/presence/showmanship, including hair windmills, rocking an invisible guitar along with empuu rocking his guitar, along with her doing her squatting too as she sings and taps her foot/leg to it, as she's swinging those hips too, along with her getting the crowd involved as well too, and etc stuff, you got to watch way more songs, to really see her amazing stage presence/performance and showmanship, as Phantom of the Opera is likely the one song with the least of that stuff, due to the nature of the song itself, being about their singing (contrasting and then cacophonous harmonous duet, nothing can compete with Tarja and Marco voices duet'ing), though Marco and Tarja had a bit of showmanship and fun snuck into it, with Marco pointing to his face and Tarja's facial expression reactions, while both song their parts
Great info and thanks for sharing and taking time. Alex and I are on a journey so we are building our picture. By chance we started with Floor and this track was first with Tara. Would be good to see more. No question they are both amazingly talented.
Nightwish without Tarja just isn't Nightwish to me. Her and Marco together are just amazing.
It probably depends on which end of the story you come from we started with floor and so we have a soft touch on that
This is a great version of Phantom, but you NEED to watch the video of Floor singing it with Henk Poort on Beste Zangers from a couple of years ago, Floor really plays up to Henk
Will try to get to it as been recommended a few times. Thanks
Thank You. Kiitos. Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala.
Thank you!
Tarja and Marko were outstanding on this strange evening but try Floor with the real Phantom .
Floor Jansen with Henk Poort
Have fun in Greece man.
We really don't smash plates since the 80s... :P
Although in Crete there is shooting in weddings...!
Knew they fired shotguns!
My wife’s Greek and my in-laws. I haven’t seen a plate smashed in years but did see a donkey today.
Tried to understand why I’d never listened to Nightwish. Found them about 2-3 years back…after listening to all their stuff, I realised that I may have heard them but just didn’t feel the buzz with Tarja, her vocal style just didn’t do it for me. With Floor, it was instant. Over the last couple of years, Tarja, and Annette, have grown on me a fair bit, but I think Floor was the missing part of the machine that made them perfect for me.
About Tarja's resignation, it really was a dramatic episode. The relationship between her and the band had not been good for some years. Because of this, Tarja decided to leave and communicated her decision to the group. Tarja wanted to make her decision public and prepare fans for the change of vocalist, but Tuomas convinced her not to make it public until the recording of a next album after "Once". It turns out that, unlike agreed, the group planned and wrote a letter of resignation to Tarja without her knowing it. At the end of the show "End of an Era", the band delivered the letter to Tarja, with the recommendation that she should not read it at that time. The following day that same letter was published on the band's website. In short, the band accused Tarja of being a diva and also attacked her husband, Marcelo. After the accusations made by the band, Tarja's husband came out in defense of her. He received, answered and made available on the internet more than 140 answers to questions sent by fans from all over the world. By the way, Marcelo talks about Tuomas' unrequited love for Tarja in one of these answers. Tarja also wrote a public letter responding to the group. In it, she did not attack the band. In short she said she was shocked and sad, and said that she did not recognize herself in the description that the band made of her. In this letter Tarja doesn't explain much. She gives more details at a press conference. You can find this interview here on RUclips. Tarja's dismissal was completely unnecessary. She had already told the group, approximately 2,5 years in advance, that she would leave the band. It seems to me that the group tried to punish her for that decision by launching a public letter with attacks on her and her husband. If any differences were unbearable, it would be enough to end the contract in a civilized manner, as any mature person does. Because of the way the things went the band lost a lot of fans. Many of my friends, for example, stopped listening to Nightwish at the time. For me, the letter says more about the band than about Tarja. Nightwish's fan base was reconfigured with the change of style and the entry of Anette and then Floor. Many of the original fans no longer follow the band and neither Tarja, because the style she adopted in her solo career is different. Some former dissident fans returned to listening to Nightwish after Floor joined. Many longtime Nightwish fans know and like Floor since her original band After Forever. The dismissal episode was not the first time that the band acted in a bad manner. For example, Tarja was attacked once, in the middle of a show in Guadalajara, and the band did nothing. At the ocasion, a crazy guy invaded the stage and tried to sexual abuse Tarja, but the band continued playing as if nothing was happening. They also did nothing in the backstage. Tarja was conforted by Marcelo at the time, a person the group just had known. Incidentally, Anette, the second vocalist, was also fired. She was pregnant, fell ill during the tour and had to go to the hospital. At the time, the group decided to replace her with Floor. Here are some sources:
A snippet from the book "Once Upon a Nightwish" detailing the abuse incident -
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The video of the abuse incident: ruclips.net/video/3bj4h1807kY/видео.html
Tarja's press conference after the dismissal, in full:
ruclips.net/video/ATDFinGZ8D8/видео.html
@kivikunnas Not true really Once has surpassed DPP as the most selling album. The band was hyped due to the drama of an End of an Era, but when Imaginaerum came out, it flopped sales-wise because now fans knew how the new singer sounded - even though Imaginaerum was praised 1000x more. The band keeps re-releasing Tarja era records because they know those will bring in the money after they sold themselves o the Saudi-owned Live Nation.
Wow what a complex story crazy times
I guess this means that you need to do a song with the second vocalist Anette. She is a pixie pop princess - best songs Amaranth or Scaretale. She was fired because her live performances weren't anywhere near as good as her studio work.
We should check her out for complete trajectory
@@TheThamesmen Anette wasn't fired, she left herself. They were on American tour and Anette was very sick. She was early pregnant, and it wasn't public yet. Anette became so sick, she had to go to hospital. The band didn't cancel the concert, they played it, Marco was singing and lady singers from their warming band were singing too, reading the lyrics from the notes. Anette was very angry the show wasn't cancelled and she wasn't so important. She left the band and they had to call Floor to help. I understood Floor was already agreed to substitute Anette during her maternity leave, so she was just asked to start earlier.
To be honest I felt a little bad for Anette during the live shows, all the band members, especially Tuomas would get cringy looks on their faces, but I definitely understood why they were making the faces. When Anette got sick during the tour, Tuomas approached Anette with the idea of a replacement singer for the remainder of the tour, she was fine with it, until Tuomas said yes we want to ask Floor. Anette freaked out and No, not Floor! 😂
@@alleninfinity6730 I guess she would have also freaked out if they just took Elize instead, who had also already auditioned for the position after Tarja, but at that time they thought she was too young.
But seriously, she was not really good (often horrible) live. When i saw the first concert with her at the time on TV i was shocked because she even dragged the whole band down and they sounded as if they all unlearned to play correctly. That was the point i lost interest in them until i heared that Floor joined them.
@@TheThamesmen pleease dont ,it's a bitter disappointment,she is a studio singer who cannot pull it off Live,her previous band to NW was an ABBA tribute band
This was 2005 in Finland. Tarja sing…
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They did it three times, they kicked Tarja, Anette and the first base player. The way they did it is the problem here. Tarja was leaving soon, but Annete didnt want to leave.
Tarja is the reason why Nightwish went into symphonic metal with THAT female VOICE.She actually was THE voice. Nightwish was meant to be different kind of band but when Tuomas heard Tarja sing the way she did, Nightwish got their sound.Comparing her to Floor is a no go for me.This is not a competition but ofcourse it's the very basic thing to do.Both women stand their ground in music and are actually friends.Also don't read too much into a fanfic about unrequited love.That is actually a fanfic that has existed ages in the Nightwish fandom.Nightwish screw it up BIG TIME with the way they back stabbed and fired Tarja with an open letter back in the day.Everyone in the band knew but her.And it backfired on them.But that is long time ago.History has a lots of twist and turns but Nightwish keeps going, thanks for Tuomas and his talented band mates.
It makes for a depth of story and maybe why have survived and developed such a loyal Following?
I love your channel!! I am wondering if you would consider Making the music videos larger on the screen so we can really get a good look and a better feel of the presentation? Idk if this is a good idea, but I am curious on how it would look and feel. Of course we want to see your handsome faces and reactions just as they are!! Thanks!!
Ok good idea. We can experiment and see what works. Will take a while to see results as Alex in Greece for two more weeks
A Chicken Sausage?!!! As an honorary Thamesman I object in the strongest terms - I believe I might be the one pushing the Cumberland - so many thanks for that!
Loved the reaction as always, it was a great performance but I would like to point you in the direction of a Dutch TV show called 'Beste Zangers' (not a Sausage btw!) where you can hear Floor taking on the same tune to compare and contrast as it were! Btw, didn't get to walk along the Thames today - to hot - around 28 with no wind, apart from my own of course. Look forward to the next one!
We all object to Chicken Sausages! Crazy to hear about weather in UK and then see the flooding in Germany. Mad. What a mess. Hope everyone okay out there
@@TheThamesmen I think most people who had flash flood problems are probably receiving the usual paying out avoidance from their insurance companies! But it has subsided I think!
A bit of friendly advice, in a lot of European countries, especially Scandinavian, and German speaking countries, "J" in a word is pronounced "Y" so, "Tarja" is pronounced "Tarya".
We try. Just fail often! Being English we just expect everyone to speak like us!