I TRIED TO PLAY CAS AT TOP TIER... IT DIDN'T GO WELL! (SALTY) - F-14B in War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2023
- The F-14B in War Thunder is broken right now. The Radar Missiles won't lock so I decided it would be a good idea to take the F-14B into Ground Battles! :)
This turned out to be one of my biggest mistakes in War Thunder. As a CAS plane in Top Tier War Thunder you're subjected to all sorts of painful torture. Such as the Pantsir, Tor and many other SAM's. What's worse is, Helicopters have an insane ability to shoot you down.
In this video, I played 5 games back to back and just show you what happened! As raw as it gets! OddBawZ gets Salty.
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WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? LOL
Playing Warthunder 😂😂
Dying
Playing highteir
I ask myself that very question every day
Chair?
My guy. The pod is on the right wing. You keep losing lock because you roll right which puts the fuselage between you and your target. Roll left so that way you can evade and keep the pod in sight of your target
the problem isn't him rolling left or right, its when he goes inverted which you need to do to dodge the incoming
@@12733severy pod has a gimbal limit. Pods also can’t illuminate a target through the aircraft it’s on. Going inverted will at some point cause the laser to reach the gimbal limit and lose lock, but he’s also lost lock without going inverted as well because he’s always putting the plane between the pod and the target
they really need to add anti-radiation missile in the game, or the spaa player experience is so stupid, just lock and shot, they should be punished.
@@user-qs4cg4vx8k HARM missiles will be absolutely useless against anyone but the SPAA player that doesnt have the "turn on/off radar" key bound. Literally all you have to do is shut off radar, switch to IRST and move about 50m and you're safe all while still shooting at the aircraft.
@@user-qs4cg4vx8k Anti-Radiation missiles can be shot down by current top spaa
The "Deadly peek-a-boo" at top tier is actually somewhat reflective of real-world defensive armor tactics, known as "berm drills"
Yup. In Abrams gunnery, whether you pass/fail has a lot to do with how much time you spend exposed above the berm. The whole ideal engagement is supposed to be be turret-down observation -> advance to hull-down to fire -> reverse back to turret-down observation.
@@pandovian_ 19K all the way hooah
@@pandovian_ the series "valley of tears" showed this in the Israel's centurions
Nerd
No way you survived the first 5 seconds of spawning in a plane, which is on the russian side.
Just don’t spawn when there’s SPAA up/don’t act dumb
Either way get owned play a tank lmao
@@CatsAreAmazing8187you’re right my bad, lemme just use my spidey senses to find out of there is a pantsir lying around somewhere
@@CatsAreAmazing8187 how can you even know, the SPAAs models dont load in until your well within range 😂
just spawn tank and kill SPAA lol ez
CAS garbage doesnt like "just spawn SPAA/own plane" argument turned on them huh?
I find it funny seeing the audio bugs and the fact that even you didn't hear the round that hit you at 8:28 which almost ammo racked you.
Ikr, it's new for this update. "Not being able to hear when you're shot at"
a couple days ago I was driving around and when I tried to fire I noticed half my crew was gone along with my breach even though I didnt hear a shell hit me
"Y R stuff flying off ma tank?!?" moments.
@@yordobelps sometimes i can’t hear or see anything. I just see my breech go red or whatever
Keybind your Laser Designator to something that's easy to press.
Whenever you roll out of gimbal limit it will automatically turn off but if you have it bought u can just turn it back on and the bomb will reacquire. A lot of those bomb drops were more than enough to be kills.
Hey Odd you should play the Strv m/42 EH, it has a 75mm gun with more explosive filler then an IS-2, at a BR of 2.7. It also has -15 degrees of depression so I think it would be a fun little vehicle to play.
Pssst Swedish meat
@@Lanny.M Pssst Sweedish meat
the spicy swedish meatball
Explosiv köttbulle
It got a APHE round now? Last I remember was that it's only good rounds were the solid shots
I love how you actually put Spookston's decal all over the HSTVL
@OddBawZ 10:05 the green point is your laser bro... all you had to do was turn the laser back on. Because your optics with the red square were still focused on the point. That's why there's a shortcut for the laser. You could have done kills very easily in your video just turne the laser back on. 🤣
PS: 31:28 Unlike the D Maverick, the A and B Maverick do not lock with IR but with black and white contrast. That's why they don't work in heavy rain or at night. However, the A Maverick only locks and tracks at about 3.5km. More or less depending on the size of the object to be locked. The B Maverick has a lock and tracking range of approximately 7km and the D has approximately 12km. Since the A-7D only has A Mavericks, it's no wonder you can't track on a 9km range like at 26:10
He doesn’t play enough top tier so he has no idea how to do any of this lmao
Yeah that happens sometimes when the laser goes off and you got to fly horizontally against SPAA so that they can’t easily train their missile on you. Flying Mach 1.1 or 1.2 with flare and chaff will make it harder for them to get you
Actually underrated comment. Where'd you get the numbers from?
Mavericks in general are complete garbage. the IR mavericks are slightly more usable but its still a 50/50 if they even do damage. B mavericks are supposedly missing the low zoom lens from what i understand, and in general they need to remove the 6km limit on target tracking for them. Theyre practically useless until you're well within gun range or stinger range.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 As I already said, the B track from almost exactly 7km and the D at about 12km. But the D are useless unless you have a Laser optik because they dont have zoom whatsoever. But if you have a Zoom like on the Harrier GR 7 you can do lots of dmg. The only reason they sometimes don't do much damage is because they don't have a tandem charge or because the HEAT beam is swallowed by modules like the breech. But if that doesn't happen, they do very good dmg.
Just today I had visited one F-14 A on display in Kansas with my father who worked on those aircraft for 15 years. It seems fitting to me to watch a video right after that on the same aircraft. Great video Odd!
What city in Kansas is this at?
been waiting for this video:)
I love these vids Odd, when you show all the details and the games it’s always unexpected and a lot entertaining.
I’m waiting you to try the German Tornado IDS, hopefully you will 👏🖤.
I've honestly found that drag bombs are far more worthwhile than the regular or guided bombs. You get to come in low and fast, usually the enemy radar can't ping you.
Dumb bombs are always fire-and-forget. 😅
Love you're videos mate keep up the good work
Hi Odd, sorry if this is patronising but you can set a key bind that toggles the laser designator, so you can re-enable it after you’ve had to roll and the bomb can still guide in
Love your stuff odd. I wish I was at top tier but mid tier is the best, most fun and decent games
I feel a lot better knowing that even an extremely experienced player goes through all the same anger and suffering as I do at lower tiers. This game is never beating the Russian bias allegations if they don't make changes. Anyways, thanks for the video. Like always, I'm looking forward to seeing your channel pop up in my feed!
tbf to the game about 50% of his issues in this one are that he has no idea how to use the tomcats weapon systems.
I chalk the Russian Bias up to Russian Nationalism and a desire to portray Russian vehicles as something they're not: Reliable, Effective, and not deathtraps.
wonder if they will eventually add jamming aircraft and make it work in game
Vulcan time ❤
unfortunately it would have zero effect on optical/IR missiles...so even more Russian bias.
@@martindinner3621You are aware that IR misssiles are used by NATO as well, right? And the most feared russian missile, the R-27ER, isn't even an IR missile.
Love this guy, 30 min vids to watch while im eating
cas when they're unable to space bomb.
Love your vids man!!! Keep them up!! Could you do a video on China.... Mid tier tanks would be nice! Thanks...
why.........
top tier needs even larger maps, more players in a match and longer matches pretty much. and artillery players need a better long range mechanic, so they can take potshots at spaa at 5 km +, 30v 30 or larger matches with 3 central caps and two on each side that turn into spawn points when you get ab or ac and a nuke at 4000. would be more kool ja, maybe just throw in a couple of gamemode spesific universal backups for extra spawns and make them sp free for one type of ground vehicle each. maybe it would be more fun then for all types of players.
problem is tho, that it clashes with realism, because if you have contested air spaces with anti air its a bit fucked to be flying like a gunslinger.
No it doesn’t, it needs more players, not larger maps
All ways a good day when oddbawz uploads
BOMBCAT TIME
You have to use the GBU-24 Paveway III's that have IOG (Internal Optical Guidance) which allows you to drop them like a standard GBU. But they have their own onboard guidance system that work the same way mavericks do by using their own laser and tracker.
GBUs don't have their own laser.
No laser guided weapon has its own laser.
@@ChristianNelsonn yeah and mavericks don't use lasers either
@@_invencible_ The E model does.
it's inertial orientation guidance, it doesn't have it's own laser. all it does is try to keep going roughly where it was last pointed, it's not accurate to hit a target, just to keep the bomb on it's course
@@ChristianNelsonn The E model isnt in game..
6:48 Spookston decal on the HSTVL, love it
8:28 mark, same bug I'm getting: getting hit and damaged and no sound to it....look at the ammo/crew. No sound, parts fly off, ammo and crew turn yellow/black.
Ayo I caught a baws vid within the minute of its upload? Nice
Great content like always :D! Sucks you just get Pantsir'ed in CAS alll the time in modern WT
Good old VF-74, I chocked and chained their aircraft on deck thousands of times.
I totally agree. I immediately got hunted by R27ERs and AIM7s, not to mention Chinese Heli AA missiles. No counter-play against the latter, I just died A LOT. SPAAs are dead, and so is CAS, lol.
Age of AA jets is upon us!
Hey oddbawz, a really fun and interesting game would be a milk truck and the yak 2 kabb. Thanks for all your amazing videos!
I get you man! Anything higher in 8.0 ground RB is a nightmare atm
atm?!?! has been for years. at least since they added helicopters.
I'm just waiting for SEAD and anti-radiation missiles to be added
F-4G!
to make the game fair they should just add a tactical nuke or a moab or a fucking tomahawk missile to every country except russia
I would totally just take sead missiles to shit on aa.
gaijin already said sead is useless against spaag, it's meant for bigger aa systems
They didn't even add fire and forget missile to Apache, imagine anti radiation missiles.
it might be great to see a vid about french top tier with Leclerc and mirage 2000 for cas
This video made me inexplicably happy tbh
i use the new ballute bombs on the bombcat, i get amazing results. They’re perfect for avoiding most missile spaas and flying in near mach and flying out.
I actually had the opposite experience. Yes it is ridiculously slow, however that's its advantage as by the time I got to the battlefield I was able to take out 2.5 bases, and maybe kill a straddling plane. In about 50% of my games I was either number 1, or in the top 3.
This plane allowed me to unlock, F4C, F4F, F100D, F105, F104 and currently working on the F5E. Bear in mind that I really only started using this plane during this summer extreme event as I was planning on getting both the tank and the jet, which I did.
I had this plane fully spaded after a week, and that's only because I started using the 105 to speed up my mission score.
I spaded the A-7k because I wanted the TV-guided munitions to use in GRB games.
Top tier is a complete mess, and I have no intention of ever playing up there even if I reach it.
I son't know much about top tier but I've always wondered if you could use teamwork by equiping a plane like the A6e with 8 flare/chaff pods to spawn before the plane with the bombs and juat deny locks to allow safe bombing
It would work against newer players but against a seasoned player it wouldn't! :(
Unfortunately locks aren't required. They can be very helpful but very good players not only won't lock you they won't even have their radar on. It is entirely possible for a SAM to kill you with literally 0 warning.
I wonder if you can get the boyz together and just lag the server to death by everyone mass spamming crazy amount of flares
a6e is too slow anyway unless you just perpetually notch i guess? but then half decent players just launch it manually and it wont matter
when the target gets out of the pod's line of sight it stops lasing but it stays locked on it's last known location. when you get the target back in the pod's line of sight you need to re-enable lasing for the bomb to start guiding again which is a keybind you have to set
Amazing video lol!
Just take like a biplane to top tier.
Who needs jets?
Biplanes and the good old bomb.
They'll never know.
thank you so much for using the f14b
I can never see tanks or other aircraft when I'm in a plane, it's the most annoying thing ever
boy, top tier looks SO fun!
Would be great if the panstir and tor weren't the only working aa
The Z19 is hands down the best all around helicopter, decent anti ground missiles, insane anti air missiles and is insanely agile. Those TY-90s are so good you can literally just play as a airborne SAMS system for your team. 10/10 😂
Gaijin should portray Russian and CCP vehicles as what they are: useless deathtraps that don't function half the time or are manned by horrible crew the other half of the time.
how do you make that aim distance thing go with the rangefinder
This is honestly why I avoid these tiers. So much of it is the vehicle doing things for you. You’re just a solenoid trigger that needs to breathe
You tried the F-4S with the zunis? Actually works pretty well if you keep your eyes peeled and play cautiously.
The rockets overpressure MBTs and there's none of the guided bomb screwing around with them needing to be babysat.
This is honestly why the drag bombs are relatively okay. Just flying low and fast and carpet bombing a cap that’s being captured and leaving before spaa’s can get a lock. Or being careful and bombing the enemy spawn to hopefully pick off a Pantsir
You should use unguided bombs and lob them in at the spaa. Most of the time they are clueless. Always fun with the il28 and the 3000lb bombs
Il28 doesent face pantsirs
gotta love the spookston decals on the HSTV-L
I swear, Z-19's / KA-50/52 pilots just somehow either get 100% ignored or killed instantly on spawn.
More the former for me in my experience, just bad teammates not paying attention or refusing to play a "support role" or go in CAS and destroy them.
Ty-90 and 9M39 are almost impossible to dodge as they have this NACK to fly thought flares and hit you anyway.
AAMs with ECCM are completely flare resistant. The thing is that majority of these missiles have fairly short guidance time and around 10G overload so it's not uncommon for supersonic jets to dodge them by accident.
@@kostab92 in game, yea they are completely unflareable. IRL though they can be flared, its just a really shoddy mechanic in WT
6:55 the spookston decals 💀
Helicopters and anti-air systems from the 90s onward facing off against planes 20 years older. Fair and balanced, as per Gaijin's usual.
I haven't used them yet but the A1-H has the snake eye on it now. They are the 250 and 500 lb versions
It is crazy how broken the wt sound system is... 8:26 he got shot at but it made no sound at all... wow
The thing is that the Pantsir is now super op because the Roland’s and MIMs have been nerfed to the ground leaving Russia to be the only team with a good spaa
Can you do a revisit of the Object 248? It's been 10 months and it has a slightly higher BR now but I'm interested to see if it still slaps
8:28 you were hit with no noise whatsoever and that shit keeps happening to me it’s pretty annoying when you have no idea that you were hit and shoot then you find out your loaders dead 😂
yeah same, or when the game just knows its bullshit and doesnt actually show the killcam/death cam and just instantly sends you to the respawn screen
Would love to see you top tier russia since the pantsir will be on your side while having better atgms
When u turn your tank your crosshair stays locked at one point. Is it a setting thing or a tank tier thing?
I dont mind OP AA on top tier, but they have to give the opposite nation the equal one too.
You assume the opposite nation *has* equivalently good AA.
Bros is so good he could fire his tank his eyes closed and get a one shot.
11 km aa missle fire forget thats really balanced XD
thanks for giving the jets a good college try as they say Prayge
oh what, things work perfectly in test but not in a live match * shocked pikachu face * ^^
Anyone know how he can lock and track targets without scoping on with the laser Pod? Trying to learn laser bombs
lol, i love your Russian impression of the vikers missiles not being nerfed!
Why it should be?
@OddBawz. TrainToilet here, I still do watch your videos and love em. I was an Tier 3 on your channel since April, until I managed to get myself banned.. It's regretfull indeed and I'm so sorry for my lack of responsibility over that matter. The tier 3 got cancelled due to the ban oh well.
P.S: Love your vids keep it coming ^^
What audio mod do you use?
I'm already struggling in 9.7 with constant uptiers. 💀
7:25 that, sir, is the 9m123 (550 m/s) , fired by the khrizantema, which is the fastest ground fired atgm in the game, which is also faster than some SAMs, like the roland 1 (500 m/s)
TY ODD
"Nice" to see the even Jamie has the typical WarThunder game play experience sometimes too.
As a CAS enthusiast myself, who is yet to reach top tier, I can't say this video is making me feel like I'm missing out on much 😅
CAS above 7.3 is just pure aids IMO.
@@ideadlift20kg83no it’s still useable there, at 8.0 it gets rough and 8.3 it becomes impossible
^bs comments, top tier cas is busted
@@darkstonefire 8.7 works well, but once you fight SACLOS missile SAMs, its joever.
@@magnum6763 8.7 works well for aircraft with atgm which isn’t many. gun runs, bombing, and other ground attack methods all have a cutoff I just feel there’s a serious drop in usable aircraft at that br
CAS in top tier demands A LOT of strategy and skills
AHAHAHAHHA 20:45 that timing is perfect xD
Finally cas has to work for kills
When I play the F14B in ground RB. I instantly turn around and CLIMB try to get 15+ km away and 20-30k ft high than turn back and find a target. The even the pantsir rockets struggle getting that high that fast so you can sometimes outrun them typically I’ll get 2 bomb kills in a good match 4+. But the Russian bias is strong
I tried this precisely, only to get immediately smashed by R27ER.
Next match the same thing happened, as I got locked up by a spawning Russian jet. So I zoomed to the deck and immediately ate a YT missile from a Chinese Heli.
I can’t. I just can’t. It takes the GBU a million years to fall on target from that range, even if you have some speed. MiG27K is still king of top tier CAS, just because it’s munition flies incredibly fast and packs enough explosive.
If you stop lasing the target for the bomb you can begin lasing the target again using a key bind called "Toggle laser designator" it won't work 100% but give you a quite decent chance of delivering the bomb, I am also not sure if this works on the f-14b as I don't have it, but you can try it out. (The green circle in the red square shows you that you are lasing the target)
War Thunder is a game literally designed for about max 8.0 br (no thermals, no homing missiles, no laser rangefinders, no guided bombs etc.) I have quit my main country which I made to top br and just decided to have fun and do other countries up to and including tier 5.
When you have the laser on your target you have to make sure you drop that bomb inside that circle
Odd, try to make a collab with @hunter , he is a master on cas on top tier and how to defeat pantisir and tor-M1s
hey oddbawz can you do a video playing the t95e1 and f-86A-5 they are my favourites
I am in the same boat with not bringing any planes to top tier. It's just not fun anymore.
hey odd you said you were gonna play the xm803 and never did, you should take it out spookston has been asking for the vid
honestly i love to see this, finally ,as a ground only (with only ground vehicles) realistic player i despise CAS above all, seeing both planes and helis to be unplayable removes a big headache for me
I’m convinced, don’t spawn a plane in top tier!😹
I was deployed with the last 2 active Tomcat squadrons going to Iraq back in 2005-06.
Amazing machines.
I was with one of our FA-18C Squadrons.
Fake news
@@sanmiguel4774 hi troll, here's your attention, have a nice day.
massive tip for top tier CAS, just use fire and forget missiles like the K29T/TD and AGM65s (D variant is the best), or fire and forget bombs at least then use the laser guided things after you destroyed all the SPAA, if you don't have any fire and forget weapons at least use laser guided missiles because they will reach the target faster, but at that point honestly i prefer just using dumb rockets or guns to clear the SPAA.
at 16:26 I don't know much about GBUs in the game but I am pretty sure you have to look and see it if it says "point" next to your bombs on the display before you drop them in order for them to track.
hence why the bomb didn't track here
It is sad to see that the people who make this game cannot make the aircraft behave like they should or do. But I guess they need to maybe ask more about how these aircraft handled in real combat.
We’ll a real life f14 can pick up to 30 aircraft on radar and launch a missile at several targets while maintaining locks, that would just break the game as American nation is superior in real life but Russian bias is a thing and game balance.
You can reaquire laser lock, just set leaser activation buttin in controlls
Man u got to play with m1 kvt i want to see that
Why it has bombing reticle but not the others?
And the OTOMATIC for gaijin is 0.4 lower than the pantsir?daaaamn
I think you should go to a lower BR for CAS, and i would really want to see the Japanese B7A2 Ryuusei which is 3.7, sure it got the bad pen of Japanese guns but as a dive/torpedo bomber is got 2 20mm as main armament & basically a .50 cal as rear gunner. on top of that aside from the 800kg bomb it got the 4x60hg & 2 250kg loadout so lots of bombs and as a cherry on the cake it's even fairly maneuverable at medium speed so you can even dogfight in it
Why? There's absolutely nothing special about the thing, I use it all the time as a torpedo bomber, and it's definitely not manouverable, that thing locks up at 300, the roll rate is absolutely horrendous, I fly the Pyorremyrsky and it has a similar problem but the difference is that thing can sustain energy, the b7a2 can't, I tried dogfighting in it before, it doesn't do well, it's best used as a bomber interceptor imo, because of it's fairly good guns. The plane is the very definition of "You could, but doesn't mean you should".
@@toopink4death492 it feels more sluggish recently yes, ever since they introduced the Homare 12 version, it used to get more maneuverable from 300 to 400 and i could reliable dogfight some fighters in it, which is kinda impressive for a navy based level/dive/torpedo bomber. the low energy retention is something most japanese planes have anyways. but as said i think they changed something and it feels sluggish than before so it probably lost it's dogfight capability anyways
*Not a very likable* opinion, but I would like to say that as a Korean playing the Japanese tech tree, they should have a South Korean sub tree in Japan. (Ik ik)
Ofc I would absolutely *love a South Korean tech tree* like Israel, I just doubt it’ll happen, and Ik the other Korean players would be *livid* if it was added to Japan, for reasons that I understand. I would love my nation to be in game, and also want the tech tree I play to be more flavorful.
I think it would be awesome to have a dedicated Korean tech tree. When you think about it it would be a great addition to the game :)
@@Chad_Thundernuts I would be so happy :>
we should have tech trees for regions rather than countries (except the big 3 ofc, and maybe some ww2 heavy countries)
@@Chad_Thundernuts it would basically be another China or Israel copypaste tree until top tier
I do great in the f14b the only aa you have to worry about is the tor