At around 10:00 i think Paul meant it more like a dude created a great picture of something BUT also yeeted a kid off a bridge on a different occasion. Not as in "he made a great picture of a kid being yeeted of a bridge". Basically like having 2 stances: 1. saying Leni Riefenstahl was part of nazi propaganda, therefore everything associated with Riefenstahl is automatically and unconditionally tainted forever and can not or should not be used in any context, except in a bad context. or 2. Yes Riefenstahl did nazi propaganda and this film was part of it, BUT she single-handedly revolutionized visuals in films and developed groundbreaking methods. We can appreciate the pure aesthetics in the context of art and incorporate it into our own art. All without forgetting about or downplaying her part nazi propaganda. These were the 2 "fronts".
I would just like to say that "yeet" is my favorite new word ever. "Yeeted a kid off a bridge" LoL! :D On more serious business... I know exactly what you're saying and I agree. I mean... it's unfortunate to say but technology advances the most during time of war. Some of the stuff we use everyday was developed for war to begin with. The computer I'm writing this on as an example. Should we all give up computers? Everyone driving a Volkswagen should give up their car because in WW2 they were producing weapons for the Nazis, right? I don't see anyone doing it. As always, everyone talks, until it comes to their own personal life, then they act like it's different. Human hypocrisy.
@@keinelinkenlumpeninmeinemv922 Also wenn ich an Videos wie "Pussy" denke, welches in der unzensierten Version nichts anderes als ein Hardcore Porno ist, oder Videos zu "Deutschland" und "Ausländer".
Depeche Mode is one of those 80's bands that you don't realize you know. Two summers ago my daughter and I saw The Cure in Boston and I knew every song in their 3 hr show without ever owning any of their albums. Wicked awesome concert though! 💥🎟️🎶 She told me the Herzelied CD came from Germany in a matter of days. I acted surprised when she gave it to me but I did see it on my porch! 😁
I remember hearing of Depeche Mode when I was a kid... but that's all I remember. Who knows, maybe when I'll hear some of their songs it will all come back. :) Yeah, I remember your gift. You "guessed" it right on it being a CD. :D Congrats!
@@xsezz Really surprised you're not very familiar with Depeche Mode. I bet if you listen to their greatest hits you'll remember: Just Can't Get Enough (1981), Everything Counts (1983), People are People (1985), Shake the Disease (1985), A Question of Lust (1986), A Question of Time (1986), Stripped (1986), Never Let Me Down Again (1988), Strangelove (1988), Enjoy the Silence (1990), Personal Jesus (1990), Policy of Truth (1990), World in My Eyes (1990), I Feel You (1993), Walking in My Shoes (1993), It's No Good (1997), Precious (2005)
I was waiting for this reaction. I'm so agree with what you said - everything in the world depends on our personal perception. We see what we want to see. And I believe that there are two main functions of art - aesthetic and provocative, but provocative in a way "it made me think about this problem". And I love that Rammstein always combines both - they can create an interesting picture, make a theatrical live shows etc., but they always give some deeper sense to it. If some piece of art doesn't make you THINK, then it's just a picture.
Thank you so much! :) I really do enjoy what you said about a piece of art making you think and I completely agree. However, I would like to play the Devil's Advocate and get even more philosophical than possible. :) What if... the picture means nothing to you, but it makes someone else think? :) You know what I'm saying? The rabbit hole never ends. I love philosophy... it's literal questions to questions to questions to questions times infinitum. :D
Yeah, I know what you mean. But if the picture makes you think then something IS behind it. Well, in general, what I mean (if we are talking about musicians now) is that it's great if the song/video/performance touches something inside you. Today we have a lot of actually good music which we enjoy, but it should have something deep cause otherwise you won't even remember it In a few months. But that's another question...
I've heard from different interviews how bad it got. Like newspapers headlining: "Hitler directed the new Rammstein video", or Till's daughter getting asked at school if her father played in a nazi band. No matter how much they denied having nazi ties or sympathies, the media still wouldn't belive them. I don't think it really calmed down before they released the song Links-2-3-4, really making a statement. And yeah, they've been accused of nazism ever since their first album, where they got accused of portraying themselves as the arien, or "master", race. So no wonder they've had a complicated relationship with the media! As Oliver (I think) says in one interview is that the fans understand them, but unfortunately it's not them writing about the band. Flake seems very relaxed and at ease in the later years, but in earlier interviews he's always on the defense during interviews.
Hmmm, interesting stories. You also have to realize that the media is out there to make money. The more they can exaggerate and shock people, the better. There's a reason they always place drama and bad news first, front and center of their newscasts. It's what attracts people to follow the news. I also think that Flake loosened up with age. :)
Yes, in fact Till stated in an interview that he had never really cared what the press said about what Rammstein did, but that when his daughter told him that it was a shock for him and they made the decision to make things clear with the Links song 2 3 4.
@@xsezz hehe, Flake is a guy with few words but with very strong ideas and sometimes they can be aggressive. I think of all, he is the one with the most different ideas of the 6 🤭
@@elide_mc_fly9601 Yeah I think they kept waiting for it to blow over, like it had with earlier claims/accusations, but at that point they realized they'd crossed a line. As Xsezz said, how affected you get depends on your history with the subject. In their case, most or none of them didn't know about that film until they saw it used as an example for what the director had in mind, and so they all, rather naively, as Schneider said, just went with the original clips from the movie.
There are several things about this, and the first one, honestly, Rammstein doesn't do something without planning it, Germans are not like that 😂. The other thing is that in Germany even today it is difficult to talk about the Nazis and Hitler, imagine before. . Sometimes it happens with Rammstein that his fans make a thousand theories, looking for the hidden message and in reality the band is quite simple and honest, they throw things at your face, they yell at you, but we are always looking for a background to everything, it can be so simple as the title of the song which is "stripped", the Olympics were played like this in the nude and German history is something that cannot be forgotten or hidden, that is, they are reminding you of that part of their history like this, naked . From that point on, it is up to each person and each mind to understand what they please and give their judgments to their liking. That's what I think. Greetings and thanks for your video 👌🏼🔥
Yeah, everyone has their own opinions on Rammstein videos and what they mean. That's the beauty of it. Perhaps it has a super deep meaning, perhaps it should be taken at face value. Either way, it's fun to analyze. :) Thank you for watching! :D
Great reaction. About the social media part, I know it might sound a bit pathetic, since I'm commenting here right now, but I'm getting so tired of people commenting/ judging on everything. Everybody has an opinion on everything and they have to spill it. I'm not cool with a lot of stuff happening nowadays,or what people say or write, but it doesn't mean I have to express it in public all the times. It seems like people are not even taking that in consideration, not to publicly comment. At times it appears, people are just looking for attention. Have their 15 Minuntes of fame. You know what I mean? I'm not talking about you, since reactions are exactly about that. Thoughts and feelings on a certain matter. As before, with love from Germany🤘❤
Oh, I hear you completely. My best advice that has worked greatly for me: Stop caring about what others say or think or critique. Just ignore them. That's what I'm doing with A LOT of social media. It's better for my sanity.
this piece with all those Leni Riefenstahl parts was the most provocative thing they could get away with those days. Rammstein suffers till today from the backfire of this video.
For me I think the subject of separating the art from the artist is very difficult. I love this video because it is so surreal and artsy, but it is very complicated. For me it both depends on what I know of the subject, and how I interpret the intension of the use of that material. In this case I didn't know about the background of the clips before after I'd fallen for the video, and I know that however provocative Rammstein try to be, they never want to be associated with nazis or any actual harm or hate. The original film was meant as a propoganda film, but that was never obvious to me in the beginning. I saw Olympic performances by people, and not only by white men. Still, after having learned about the original, it does muddle the waters a bit, and I wasn't sure at first where I stood regarding the video. I have however decided to fully embrace it. It's like you said, hate the person, not the art, and rather use the knowledge of it to have interesting discussions like these 😁 It's the same with a couple of their other songs with tough lyrics, like Weißes Fleisch, Spiel mit Mir, Hallelujah and especially Rammstein and Wiener Blut, as it's based on actual events and people.
Yeah, I hear you. Technically, if we were able to think like robots, art should have no limits. Creations should have no limit. While it looks good on paper, life is way more complicated and it is not always possible. As I mention in this video... for me everything goes, but I can see how some people affected by the "art" could be against it. I guess it's all about each person's limits. I have no involvement with original video. I'm not affected by it in anyway, so I don't care. People who are part of those events are affected by it. If I knew any of personally, I would have a different response to the source out of respect. Artistic freedom is a whole can of worms... literally everything can be offensive to someone, so you have to draw a line at some point... but just like the offensive material the line to be drawn is different for everyone. It's complicated.
@@xsezz I totally agree. That's probably why I can endorse it even though it's pretty complicated. I think being able to have discussions about problematic subjects is way better than cancel culture however, cause if you just cancel something you just hide the problem, you don't deal with it. I also think that there should not be a limit to art, as long as no one got hurt in the making of it. A great example of this is the film Cannibal Holocaust. When I first saw it I was really impressed. I'd heard a lot of crazy things about it, but when I saw it it was very different than what I'd expected. Basically, for those who haven't seen it, it's about this horrible documentary crew that goes missing after setting out to film a tribe of cannibals in the South American jungle, and surprise, surprise - they get eaten. Looking at the retrieved footage we see that they were horrible people, with no regards to neither the tribe or animals. I found the movie and the message really good, and even made a video of it myself. Then later on I learned how it was backstage - and how both people and animals were mistreated (or brutally killed in the animals' case) in real life for the sake of showing how terrible the CHARACTERS were. How ironic. Anyways, now I am really conflicted. I really hate how the movie was made, and I do in no way endorse it. I will never recommend it to anyone and if the subject comes up I will be sure to share what I know about it. Yet I can't just forget about it either, as the initial impact still lingers in the background. I have decided for the time being keeping my video up, even though I know I shouldn't. So I'm really conflicted. This is when I struggle to draw the line, and I just get stuck in this land of "I'm uncomfortable, but I don't know what to do with it". On the other hand, I can still enjoy The Shining, even though I later heard that Stanley Kubrick gave actress Shelley Duval a nervous breakdown during filming, being so horrible towards her. So I'm super hypocritical 😂 I guess it comes down to that on the Shining it is hidden in behind the scenes, while in Cannibal Holocaust it's right up in your face.
@@StineFL I don't agree with cancel culture either. It's so... self righteous. People become judge, jury and executioners all in one go just because they decided to do so, no matter the subject. Anyways, about the movie Cannibal Holocaust, I have not seen it but I heard about the behind the scenes stories. Like you said you appreciate it and are conflicted at the same time. But... that's alright. Not everything has to go our way. Not everything has to please us. There are things out there that we don't like for different reasons. That's ok, that's life. Not everything is perfect. It's ok to be conflicted. It's alright to disagree with certain subjects. It's ok to feel these emotions... it builds us stronger, I believe. Also, Stanley Kubrick was insane in achieving perfection but his movies certainly are special. Again, art vs artist. :)
@@xsezz hehe, yeah, he certainly is 😅 But you have little respect for other people when you deliberately bully people to the point of them starting to lose chunks of hair because of the stress 😶 It's good to know that it's OK to be conflicted! 😂 I've seen that with a few other reactors, and that's certainly been my process with discovering Rammstein! I'm like the meme of people listening to Rammstein before and after they learned German! 🤣
I am watching your older reactions and you should really check Deutchland, that video will blow your mind, I can not wait for your reaction, it is like multiple Rammstein videos combined in one
Yay, I just found this one I was looking for! Don't know if there are more versions, but here's one where Till actually sings "down to the bone" - so I guess he was able to sing it, but they couldn't make it fit into their version of the song, I guess? ruclips.net/video/NcmNlu4FX_E/видео.html
A little note about the strong German accent. The band members come from East Germany, where you didn't learn English at school, but Russian. They probably taught themselves that later through music.
It's all good. I enjoy "ze" German accent. :) It has its charm. It's also a running joke I had going for years. It started in Snatch, if you ever saw that movie. Great movie btw.
@@xsezz Of course. "Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels" from Guy Ritchie too. Two of my favored. Same topic but I think it's even funnier and more iconic. ruclips.net/video/14HerspIb_U/видео.html&start_radio=1
@@PropperNaughtyGeezer I, surprisingly enough, didn't watch "Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels..." I really have to! Talking about these kind of movies did you watch Layer Cake? It kinda has the same tones as the other movies previously mentioned.
@@xsezz I've just read the description and it sounds interesting. I'll have a look at it as soon as it's available. Daniel Craig is a good actor and I think Tom Hardy is even better. He was wonderful in "Taboo" (Amazon Prime). Another kind of this movie is "Rock N Rolla". Also Guy Ritchie but this time with Gerard Butler, Mark Strong and also Tom Hardy. Here is the scene of how the famos "Archie slap" is professionally executed. ruclips.net/video/2N7NTHSdquw/видео.html
leni riefenstahl's movie was very artistic and way ahead of its time. e.g. she was (afaik) the first one to use camera dollies, to emphasize the movements; the camera angle from below she used, while filming some of the athletes was a novelty; and showing nudity in 1936 wasn't considered 'normal' yet - not even in germany. _but_ unfortunately she made the movie(s) for the wrong guys. although she always claimed after the third reich, that she was 'just an artist', her movies in fact were an important instrument in the nazi's propaganda (e.g. some of the embarrassing moments for germany of olympie '36 were just not included; they couldn't avoid showing jesse owens though). when you make a deal with the devil, you're likely to end up on the wrong side.
btw there is an awesome parody of the olympia-intro on vimeo: vimeo.com/6114816 a completely different approach to the perfection of the human body. maybe rammstein should have used that instead. :P
If you have played San Andreas then you probably heard Depeche Mode probably. Personal Jesus is one of their songs. Good reaction. Great video and I think its underrated.
Depeche Mode was in San Andreas? Now you're speaking my language! I'm proud to say I beat and 100% all GTAs! I haven't played San Andreas in forever but if that song was in the game, then I most likely know it! LoL! Aaaah you gotta love when music combines with video games. :) Thanks for the heads up! :D
@@xsezz No problem. Video games are a great way to get into music! I got into metal mostly cause of video games and this one great song from this great band called B.Y.O.B from System of a Down. That song shook me as a kid and since then I was changed. Video games rock man!
Older germans, and perhaps those not growing up in east Germany, immediatelly know that it is Nazi propaganda. Also many already know the video from school as an example for Nazi propaganda. So, for us , we watch the video with the knowledge who made it and we do not simply enjoy it naively. You might compare it with clips of north korean soldiers marching and have catchy music on it.
The Pictures are only one part of the Video. Another part is the Music, another part is the Cut, the Color, the Special effects and so on. If you dam one tiny Part of it, do you dam the whole Package? Or in other Words: Tomorrow a random guy appears and finds out, the Sesame Street intro has the exact same Cutting pattern like lets say a Northkorean Soap about the Kim Family, did it make the Sesame Street a Nothkorean Propagandavideo? Some has inconvenient feelings about it. Ok, his Problem. But should he poisoned all other Views of all other People onto this Video with his Paranoia?
I agree 100% with you. What you're saying is logical. But believe you me, there's people out there thinking exactly like in your example. There's people out there who would "cancel" Sesame Street because of a NK soap intro. It makes no sense, it has no base in logic but they would still do it. Human stupidity has no limits. Thankfully, most of these people seem to live on the internet and are a vocal minority only. Still annoying though.
@@xsezz It's a 2 parts movie ^^ I don't remember exactly how many hours of material there was, but it was more than 100 hours of film for sure, and it takes 2 years to make the "final cut" (1938). Needless to say it was a massive work.
@Xsezz They had 400 000 meter of film to cut (the Olympia Film) I am writing an assignment(?) about it, I am from germany so i am sorry for my english :D your vid and comment section is very interesting for my work... to hear what others think about this topic... it is very nice that youre answering everyone :)
I really appreciate the fact that your video is basically a one taker without random jump cuts all over the place.
Thanks bro. It's on purpose. I want it to be real and my first take on the issue. Mistakes and all. Nobody's perfect! :D
Ysezz - I love that you react to the "Making Of" ......and you tell us about it ♥
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoy it! :D
At around 10:00 i think Paul meant it more like a dude created a great picture of something BUT also yeeted a kid off a bridge on a different occasion. Not as in "he made a great picture of a kid being yeeted of a bridge".
Basically like having 2 stances:
1. saying Leni Riefenstahl was part of nazi propaganda, therefore everything associated with Riefenstahl is automatically and unconditionally tainted forever and can not or should not be used in any context, except in a bad context.
or
2. Yes Riefenstahl did nazi propaganda and this film was part of it, BUT she single-handedly revolutionized visuals in films and developed groundbreaking methods. We can appreciate the pure aesthetics in the context of art and incorporate it into our own art. All without forgetting about or downplaying her part nazi propaganda.
These were the 2 "fronts".
I would just like to say that "yeet" is my favorite new word ever. "Yeeted a kid off a bridge" LoL! :D
On more serious business... I know exactly what you're saying and I agree.
I mean... it's unfortunate to say but technology advances the most during time of war. Some of the stuff we use everyday was developed for war to begin with. The computer I'm writing this on as an example. Should we all give up computers? Everyone driving a Volkswagen should give up their car because in WW2 they were producing weapons for the Nazis, right? I don't see anyone doing it. As always, everyone talks, until it comes to their own personal life, then they act like it's different. Human hypocrisy.
Spoiler: Rammsteins newer videos are still very risky and provocative. That never changed.
You have a point.
Welches war denn 'risky'?
@@keinelinkenlumpeninmeinemv922 Also wenn ich an Videos wie "Pussy" denke, welches in der unzensierten Version nichts anderes als ein Hardcore Porno ist, oder Videos zu "Deutschland" und "Ausländer".
Depeche Mode is one of those 80's bands that you don't realize you know.
Two summers ago my daughter and I saw The Cure in Boston and I knew every song in their 3 hr show without ever owning any of their albums. Wicked awesome concert though! 💥🎟️🎶
She told me the Herzelied CD came from Germany in a matter of days. I acted surprised when she gave it to me but I did see it on my porch! 😁
I remember hearing of Depeche Mode when I was a kid... but that's all I remember. Who knows, maybe when I'll hear some of their songs it will all come back. :) Yeah, I remember your gift. You "guessed" it right on it being a CD. :D Congrats!
@@xsezz Really surprised you're not very familiar with Depeche Mode. I bet if you listen to their greatest hits you'll remember:
Just Can't Get Enough (1981), Everything Counts (1983), People are People (1985), Shake the Disease (1985), A Question of Lust (1986), A Question of Time (1986), Stripped (1986), Never Let Me Down Again (1988), Strangelove (1988), Enjoy the Silence (1990), Personal Jesus (1990), Policy of Truth (1990), World in My Eyes (1990), I Feel You (1993), Walking in My Shoes (1993), It's No Good (1997), Precious (2005)
@@berlindude75 That's a huge list, LoL! I'll add it. We'll check it out! :D
I was waiting for this reaction. I'm so agree with what you said - everything in the world depends on our personal perception. We see what we want to see. And I believe that there are two main functions of art - aesthetic and provocative, but provocative in a way "it made me think about this problem". And I love that Rammstein always combines both - they can create an interesting picture, make a theatrical live shows etc., but they always give some deeper sense to it. If some piece of art doesn't make you THINK, then it's just a picture.
Thank you so much! :) I really do enjoy what you said about a piece of art making you think and I completely agree. However, I would like to play the Devil's Advocate and get even more philosophical than possible. :) What if... the picture means nothing to you, but it makes someone else think? :) You know what I'm saying? The rabbit hole never ends. I love philosophy... it's literal questions to questions to questions to questions times infinitum. :D
Yeah, I know what you mean. But if the picture makes you think then something IS behind it. Well, in general, what I mean (if we are talking about musicians now) is that it's great if the song/video/performance touches something inside you. Today we have a lot of actually good music which we enjoy, but it should have something deep cause otherwise you won't even remember it In a few months. But that's another question...
@@lenaquarius5395 I understand what you're saying. It is true about forgetting today's music in a couple of months, never to be heard of again.
I've heard from different interviews how bad it got. Like newspapers headlining: "Hitler directed the new Rammstein video", or Till's daughter getting asked at school if her father played in a nazi band. No matter how much they denied having nazi ties or sympathies, the media still wouldn't belive them. I don't think it really calmed down before they released the song Links-2-3-4, really making a statement.
And yeah, they've been accused of nazism ever since their first album, where they got accused of portraying themselves as the arien, or "master", race. So no wonder they've had a complicated relationship with the media! As Oliver (I think) says in one interview is that the fans understand them, but unfortunately it's not them writing about the band. Flake seems very relaxed and at ease in the later years, but in earlier interviews he's always on the defense during interviews.
Hmmm, interesting stories. You also have to realize that the media is out there to make money. The more they can exaggerate and shock people, the better. There's a reason they always place drama and bad news first, front and center of their newscasts. It's what attracts people to follow the news. I also think that Flake loosened up with age. :)
Yes, in fact Till stated in an interview that he had never really cared what the press said about what Rammstein did, but that when his daughter told him that it was a shock for him and they made the decision to make things clear with the Links song 2 3 4.
@@xsezz hehe, Flake is a guy with few words but with very strong ideas and sometimes they can be aggressive. I think of all, he is the one with the most different ideas of the 6 🤭
@@elide_mc_fly9601 Yeah I think they kept waiting for it to blow over, like it had with earlier claims/accusations, but at that point they realized they'd crossed a line.
As Xsezz said, how affected you get depends on your history with the subject. In their case, most or none of them didn't know about that film until they saw it used as an example for what the director had in mind, and so they all, rather naively, as Schneider said, just went with the original clips from the movie.
@@elide_mc_fly9601 Interesting. It is different when they are coming at your family or even worse your kids.
Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus 👍
Alright, I'll add it to the list!
@@xsezz Jonny Cash dropped this Song too, unplugged Version 👌.
Rammstein is really a journey.have a good Ride and happy new year
@@petersteele5181 Thank you! Hope to see you along for the ride, as well. Happy new year! :D
Hi there. I'm did a search but I'm not sure I'm looking at the right thing. Do you have a link?
Jonny Cash
ruclips.net/video/qpYW3qng78E/видео.html
Depeche Mode
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Hahaha, you sounded so pleased that you remembered the subtitles 😂😎
I was, LoL! Until I forget about them in the next video, LoL!
@@xsezz 😂
There are several things about this, and the first one, honestly, Rammstein doesn't do something without planning it, Germans are not like that 😂. The other thing is that in Germany even today it is difficult to talk about the Nazis and Hitler, imagine before.
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Sometimes it happens with Rammstein that his fans make a thousand theories, looking for the hidden message and in reality the band is quite simple and honest, they throw things at your face, they yell at you, but we are always looking for a background to everything, it can be so simple as the title of the song which is "stripped", the Olympics were played like this in the nude and German history is something that cannot be forgotten or hidden, that is, they are reminding you of that part of their history like this, naked . From that point on, it is up to each person and each mind to understand what they please and give their judgments to their liking. That's what I think. Greetings and thanks for your video 👌🏼🔥
Yeah, everyone has their own opinions on Rammstein videos and what they mean. That's the beauty of it. Perhaps it has a super deep meaning, perhaps it should be taken at face value. Either way, it's fun to analyze. :) Thank you for watching! :D
Great reaction. About the social media part, I know it might sound a bit pathetic, since I'm commenting here right now, but I'm getting so tired of people commenting/ judging on everything. Everybody has an opinion on everything and they have to spill it. I'm not cool with a lot of stuff happening nowadays,or what people say or write, but it doesn't mean I have to express it in public all the times. It seems like people are not even taking that in consideration, not to publicly comment. At times it appears, people are just looking for attention. Have their 15 Minuntes of fame. You know what I mean? I'm not talking about you, since reactions are exactly about that. Thoughts and feelings on a certain matter. As before, with love from Germany🤘❤
Oh, I hear you completely. My best advice that has worked greatly for me: Stop caring about what others say or think or critique. Just ignore them. That's what I'm doing with A LOT of social media. It's better for my sanity.
@@xsezz Oh absolutely. I never really cared about other people's opinion, besides the ones, that are important to me. Just an observation. Peace. 🤘❤
@@spring_in_paris That's exactly it. A lot of the Internet "life" is fake and should be treated as such.
I really enjoy your little history serie about all Rammstein songs
So do I! Thank you so much for following along! :D
this piece with all those Leni Riefenstahl parts was the most provocative thing they could get away with those days. Rammstein suffers till today from the backfire of this video.
Crazy. People really need to learn how to let go, especially with Rammstein's current views.
For me I think the subject of separating the art from the artist is very difficult. I love this video because it is so surreal and artsy, but it is very complicated. For me it both depends on what I know of the subject, and how I interpret the intension of the use of that material. In this case I didn't know about the background of the clips before after I'd fallen for the video, and I know that however provocative Rammstein try to be, they never want to be associated with nazis or any actual harm or hate. The original film was meant as a propoganda film, but that was never obvious to me in the beginning. I saw Olympic performances by people, and not only by white men.
Still, after having learned about the original, it does muddle the waters a bit, and I wasn't sure at first where I stood regarding the video. I have however decided to fully embrace it. It's like you said, hate the person, not the art, and rather use the knowledge of it to have interesting discussions like these 😁
It's the same with a couple of their other songs with tough lyrics, like Weißes Fleisch, Spiel mit Mir, Hallelujah and especially Rammstein and Wiener Blut, as it's based on actual events and people.
Yeah, I hear you.
Technically, if we were able to think like robots, art should have no limits. Creations should have no limit. While it looks good on paper, life is way more complicated and it is not always possible. As I mention in this video... for me everything goes, but I can see how some people affected by the "art" could be against it. I guess it's all about each person's limits.
I have no involvement with original video. I'm not affected by it in anyway, so I don't care. People who are part of those events are affected by it. If I knew any of personally, I would have a different response to the source out of respect.
Artistic freedom is a whole can of worms... literally everything can be offensive to someone, so you have to draw a line at some point... but just like the offensive material the line to be drawn is different for everyone. It's complicated.
@@xsezz I totally agree. That's probably why I can endorse it even though it's pretty complicated.
I think being able to have discussions about problematic subjects is way better than cancel culture however, cause if you just cancel something you just hide the problem, you don't deal with it. I also think that there should not be a limit to art, as long as no one got hurt in the making of it. A great example of this is the film Cannibal Holocaust. When I first saw it I was really impressed. I'd heard a lot of crazy things about it, but when I saw it it was very different than what I'd expected. Basically, for those who haven't seen it, it's about this horrible documentary crew that goes missing after setting out to film a tribe of cannibals in the South American jungle, and surprise, surprise - they get eaten. Looking at the retrieved footage we see that they were horrible people, with no regards to neither the tribe or animals. I found the movie and the message really good, and even made a video of it myself. Then later on I learned how it was backstage - and how both people and animals were mistreated (or brutally killed in the animals' case) in real life for the sake of showing how terrible the CHARACTERS were. How ironic. Anyways, now I am really conflicted. I really hate how the movie was made, and I do in no way endorse it. I will never recommend it to anyone and if the subject comes up I will be sure to share what I know about it.
Yet I can't just forget about it either, as the initial impact still lingers in the background. I have decided for the time being keeping my video up, even though I know I shouldn't. So I'm really conflicted. This is when I struggle to draw the line, and I just get stuck in this land of "I'm uncomfortable, but I don't know what to do with it".
On the other hand, I can still enjoy The Shining, even though I later heard that Stanley Kubrick gave actress Shelley Duval a nervous breakdown during filming, being so horrible towards her. So I'm super hypocritical 😂 I guess it comes down to that on the Shining it is hidden in behind the scenes, while in Cannibal Holocaust it's right up in your face.
@@StineFL I don't agree with cancel culture either. It's so... self righteous. People become judge, jury and executioners all in one go just because they decided to do so, no matter the subject.
Anyways, about the movie Cannibal Holocaust, I have not seen it but I heard about the behind the scenes stories. Like you said you appreciate it and are conflicted at the same time. But... that's alright. Not everything has to go our way. Not everything has to please us. There are things out there that we don't like for different reasons. That's ok, that's life. Not everything is perfect. It's ok to be conflicted. It's alright to disagree with certain subjects. It's ok to feel these emotions... it builds us stronger, I believe.
Also, Stanley Kubrick was insane in achieving perfection but his movies certainly are special. Again, art vs artist. :)
@@xsezz hehe, yeah, he certainly is 😅 But you have little respect for other people when you deliberately bully people to the point of them starting to lose chunks of hair because of the stress 😶
It's good to know that it's OK to be conflicted! 😂 I've seen that with a few other reactors, and that's certainly been my process with discovering Rammstein! I'm like the meme of people listening to Rammstein before and after they learned German! 🤣
@@StineFL No idea there was such a meme, LoL!
I am watching your older reactions and you should really check Deutchland, that video will blow your mind, I can not wait for your reaction, it is like multiple Rammstein videos combined in one
I definitely will. I'm checking out the Rammstein Official Videos in chronological order. Next week were doing Haifisch. Please, stay tuned. :)
Yay, I just found this one I was looking for! Don't know if there are more versions, but here's one where Till actually sings "down to the bone" - so I guess he was able to sing it, but they couldn't make it fit into their version of the song, I guess? ruclips.net/video/NcmNlu4FX_E/видео.html
Cool, thank you!
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Thank you so much! Happy new year to you as well! :D
A little note about the strong German accent. The band members come from East Germany, where you didn't learn English at school, but Russian. They probably taught themselves that later through music.
It's all good. I enjoy "ze" German accent. :) It has its charm. It's also a running joke I had going for years. It started in Snatch, if you ever saw that movie. Great movie btw.
@@xsezz Of course. "Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels" from Guy Ritchie too. Two of my favored. Same topic but I think it's even funnier and more iconic.
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@@PropperNaughtyGeezer I, surprisingly enough, didn't watch "Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels..." I really have to!
Talking about these kind of movies did you watch Layer Cake? It kinda has the same tones as the other movies previously mentioned.
@@xsezz I've just read the description and it sounds interesting. I'll have a look at it as soon as it's available. Daniel Craig is a good actor and I think Tom Hardy is even better. He was wonderful in "Taboo" (Amazon Prime).
Another kind of this movie is "Rock N Rolla". Also Guy Ritchie but this time with Gerard Butler, Mark Strong and also Tom Hardy. Here is the scene of how the famos "Archie slap" is professionally executed.
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@@PropperNaughtyGeezer LoL! Pure Guy Ritchie. I have to check both films now! Thank you for the suggestions. :)
leni riefenstahl's movie was very artistic and way ahead of its time. e.g. she was (afaik) the first one to use camera dollies, to emphasize the movements; the camera angle from below she used, while filming some of the athletes was a novelty; and showing nudity in 1936 wasn't considered 'normal' yet - not even in germany.
_but_ unfortunately she made the movie(s) for the wrong guys. although she always claimed after the third reich, that she was 'just an artist', her movies in fact were an important instrument in the nazi's propaganda (e.g. some of the embarrassing moments for germany of olympie '36 were just not included; they couldn't avoid showing jesse owens though). when you make a deal with the devil, you're likely to end up on the wrong side.
btw there is an awesome parody of the olympia-intro on vimeo: vimeo.com/6114816
a completely different approach to the perfection of the human body. maybe rammstein should have used that instead. :P
Yup, yup. Commenters shared their opinions on this subject. Interesting stuff.
@@montanus777 Thank you for the link.
Great answer, sad she wasnt born in our time, what movies she would have made.
If you have played San Andreas then you probably heard Depeche Mode probably. Personal Jesus is one of their songs. Good reaction. Great video and I think its underrated.
Depeche Mode was in San Andreas? Now you're speaking my language! I'm proud to say I beat and 100% all GTAs! I haven't played San Andreas in forever but if that song was in the game, then I most likely know it! LoL! Aaaah you gotta love when music combines with video games. :) Thanks for the heads up! :D
@@xsezz No problem. Video games are a great way to get into music! I got into metal mostly cause of video games and this one great song from this great band called B.Y.O.B from System of a Down. That song shook me as a kid and since then I was changed. Video games rock man!
@@famineinfernal1 Hell yeah, man!
#welcometorammsteinarmy
Thank you! :D
You should do I feel you from depeche mode
Sounds good, I'll add it to the list!
Rammenstahl👌🏻
Older germans, and perhaps those not growing up in east Germany, immediatelly know that it is Nazi propaganda. Also many already know the video from school as an example for Nazi propaganda. So, for us , we watch the video with the knowledge who made it and we do not simply enjoy it naively. You might compare it with clips of north korean soldiers marching and have catchy music on it.
I understand your point of view. Thank you for sharing it. Like I mentioned in the video, it's all about how affected we are by the subject at hand.
The Pictures are only one part of the Video. Another part is the Music, another part is the Cut, the Color, the Special effects and so on. If you dam one tiny Part of it, do you dam the whole Package?
Or in other Words: Tomorrow a random guy appears and finds out, the Sesame Street intro has the exact same Cutting pattern like lets say a Northkorean Soap about the Kim Family, did it make the Sesame Street a Nothkorean Propagandavideo?
Some has inconvenient feelings about it. Ok, his Problem. But should he poisoned all other Views of all other People onto this Video with his Paranoia?
I agree 100% with you. What you're saying is logical. But believe you me, there's people out there thinking exactly like in your example. There's people out there who would "cancel" Sesame Street because of a NK soap intro. It makes no sense, it has no base in logic but they would still do it. Human stupidity has no limits. Thankfully, most of these people seem to live on the internet and are a vocal minority only. Still annoying though.
Olympia is an incredible 4 hours long piece of art
Dayum 4 hours...
@@xsezz It's a 2 parts movie ^^ I don't remember exactly how many hours of material there was, but it was more than 100 hours of film for sure, and it takes 2 years to make the "final cut" (1938). Needless to say it was a massive work.
@@lacrichat Wow! 100 hours! Dayum... they didn't mess around back in the day! Then again if it is Olympics footage, it makes sense.
@Xsezz They had 400 000 meter of film to cut (the Olympia Film) I am writing an assignment(?) about it, I am from germany so i am sorry for my english :D your vid and comment section is very interesting for my work... to hear what others think about this topic... it is very nice that youre answering everyone :)