In the 80s and 90s I was in a band with my wife, and as many as 7 other people on stage performing at private parties, weddings etc. Around 2k, and a bit before, noise regs came in and then in more recent years pubs moved away from music to more food and other entertainments taking up the same spaces. Dunno where it's gonna go, but I'm looking to form a local band where we can just play for ourselves and audiences in my small town.
I have a group of comrades, about 70 people. we live in Moscow. Amateurs. And we get together about once or twice a week in clubs and play covers. Excel table is open in Google, everyone can offer a song, and if there is a willing guitarist, bassist, vocalist, etc. for this song , then this song is played in the club. From The Beatles to Limp Bizkit and everything in between. Of course, most are vocalists, but so that the bass guitar is replaced by synthesizers at the club level - there is nothing like that. There are already very few keyboard players, and there are almost no good ones, so as long as there are live drummers, there will be live bassists. I play this way myself, I like it, its my way to not only learn covers with my headphones on, sitting in my kitchen, but also to get emotions from live communication and performance, because this is the most interesting part. Cheers.
I first started playing bass in 1969 at the age of 14. I have played in orchestras, jazz bands and half a dozen garage bands. I still play with 2 bands and can't imagine any music without bass. The first time I recall not hearing no bass was The Doors. Bass notes in Light My Fire were first done on Ray Manzerek's keyboard but session musician Larry Knechtel later was brought in to overdub a Fender P bass to double the keyboard bass line. I'm sure that other people can point out many other similar examples. Some pop music and hip hop bass sounds like friggin 60 cycle hum or some other idiotic noise not resembling a bass guitar. That's my rant. Thanks for the subject and lengthy discussion.
I've just discovered you, guys. Definitely looking forward to more podcast-style videos on bass-related topics. I really enjoyed this one. Now I'm checking out the earlier stuff you did on your channels. All the best from a late bass starter from Poland! (Have been playing guitar for thirty years or so, though. )
Hey there. Been watching your channel since you started. I'm a younger bass player. I started clicking your content when I was getting my feet wet as a working musician. I like your content a lot, but I haven't been clicking lately because recently they tended to be bass reviews and I'm not in a position to buy basses right now (I would, however, be interested in you talking us through your personal collection, telling stories about em [I'm half sure you haven't done that yet], or talking more about the evolution of working bassist's life over the 80s and 90s since I find that era of bass history is underrepresented). Still, I'm rooting for you and I'd love to see your content take off more. I definitely see value in you and your collaborators telling stories and sharing your wisdom. Your humor and editing are top notch. I'm not sure what kind of content you could produce to get a wider audience (and to get them to participate more), but I do know that if you keep making content to please yourself, you'll always have admirers, even if they are few. Good luck and I hope this helped. I am a lurker generally, and prefer not to participate on YT too much, but I feel like this community could be pretty cool and I can see that you need more thorough feedback from the audience. I get the feeling I'm not the biggest demographic in your audience, but I think that could change in the future. Yours truly, 4-string bass player P.S. I have a 1983 Peavey t-20 my grandfather gave me. Frets are worn, but it kicks ass. Loved those Peavey bass reviews you did. My favorite bass is my 1973 fretless grass-green precision bass. I also love 12 string guitar. If you play a little guitar that would be cool to see too. Don't be afraid to show us your other talents.
Im beside myself! This is some of the most valuable constructive criticism I have ever gotten about my channel since I started it. Thank you SO much for taking the time to write and express this.....You already have the gears in my mind kicking into Overdrive for future content...PS: I had a T20 back when I was about 16. Its a bass I wish I still had. Yes I defintely have a soft spot for USA Peavey. I have a 5 String Dyna Bass I havent reviewed yet.....Im guessing the '73 is the one in your avatar and the one video thumbnail
I think it's much harder to do it full time than it used to be, but i think the more "Hobby" oriented bassist is in pretty great demand. It's the most sought after instrument in my particular town (St Louis) a lot of the time and I think there's more people that recognize the bass and an integral part of the music than ever. It's not just musicians that come up to me and chat about bass anymore, it's quite nice!
Hey man this was cool. Good topic. Technology has replaced a lot of instruments. You could have the same discussion about drums. How many new tunes do we hear without recorded acoustic drums? It’s all sampled with drum tracks. You can never replace a real rhythm section.
Hey bud! Just wanted to let you know I really dig this format of video you did here! It’s like a cool hang with friends discussing their shared interest. Good information, fun, the sharing of ideas and viewpoints AND entertaining. Love it!
Before you consider coming to Florida, PM me first lol......there's a lot of work here but the musician market is also flooded here.....you have to be well networked to be our age and gig regularly and you know how long it takes to establish a proper network
I think one thing bassists will do is adapt. And by that, I don't mean compete with AI and modern pop, but step back, and take back the small gig scene. I believe this is gonna be the only way to succeed in music and art, on a local level. I don't think this will be a bad thing. If you can make good music, there will always be a market, even if it's a very small market. We are about to be humbled
All well and good but as a 67 yr.old gigging bassist, the local scene near me has dried up since lockdown.I can hardly find people to jam with nevermind gigs.
I've thought about this myself. I play in my family band, The Electricfiers. Our crowd is mostly older, 40 to 60 year olds, and not much interest from the younger generation. My kid's friends have little to no interest in the style of music that we play, but the parents do. I don't think you can replace the rhythm section relationship between the bass and drums live. I know it's cheaper to record without a bass player if a keyboard or a computer suffices, but live gigs are a different matter. Hopefully this resurgence of 1980s rock will help.
Had I thought about it, I should have asked you for a FaceTime session and included your actual hands on experience in this video ( with permission, of course). I think your experience here would have been valuable........as always, thank you for watching and commenting
I don't think it's dead at all. Certainly much more alive than guitar at least in the pop scene. Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, and a few others have some great bass lines in their songs right now. Hip hop always makes great use of bass as well. Indie rock is also still very popular as well. Check out Kero Kero Bonito or Beabadoobe. Still guitar/bass driven with live bands playing real instruments. Hope was never lost!
Like I mentioned in a different comment, some of those you mentioned- like Dua Lipa - aren't bass guitar: its a bass guitar VSTi...I noticed this and when I saw the BassBuzz video, he noticed it as well, and is one of the factors that started the idea to make this video. A lot of real bass on HipHop wasnt an actual guy recording the track for that specific project: its a loop, stem, or construction kit wav sample.....i think you are correct though, overall: real organic bass tone - whether played by an actual player, a loop/sample, or programmed on a VSTi, is definitely creeping back in.....thank you for watching and commenting
I'd say I hear more real instruments on the charts nowadays than in the 2000s-10's, I've heard real bass lines in tracks by Harry Styles, Dua Lipa, even new hip hop, I mean Kendrick Lamar's has full jazz orchestrations full of real instruments, (bitch don't kill my vibe is a killer bass line) not to mention the countless bass lines that have been laid down by the immensely popular Thundercat, samples are even usually doubled over by musicians, the human feeling is definitely still a sought after thing, silk sonic is a semi recent record full of soul and real instruments. Also I'd say with younger musicians in general most aren't trying to go into big studios anyway because home recording tech is infinity better in this day and age, music usually cycles around anyways, didn't people say synth tech was gonna kill off real instruments like 30 years ago? Anyways I'm a 25yo bass player and that's part of my perspective 😅
I believe most of those cool bass guitar parts on Dua Lipa songs are actually a bass VSTi - the Bass buzz video also mentions this and was part of the reason why I got started on this video after discovering somebody else noticed it besides me lol.....theres a LOT of 'real' basses on modern pop songs that I think are programmed. Companies like Solemn Tones and AmpleSound both make very impressive bass VSTi instruments...Still, I agree with you totally about the human feel thing and that is going to be the key for bass - and all organic instruments - to survive...Thanks for commenting and watching
I sold my original (sunburst, mother of pearl inlay) Jazz bass like 35 years ago and i still regret it. lol P.S. I must admit that i just used bass sounds in a tracker when I made my flat earth parody songs while I could easily play a bass track.
I have a couple of Bass VSTi instruments. I have the Solemn Tones Kraken and the AmpleSound P (the 32 bit version they had as a Free download a long time ago)....because I have been a programmer since the 80s, I can usually program (via scroll and mouse) very fast and, often, using a Bass VSTi on a part is a great way to audition a bassline in my head to hear. Theres been a handful of times where I just left the programmed bass....Thanks for coming by and commenting
Thanks for the feedback Chris....this was kind of an experiment......in the description, I wrote that I will address the audio if I ever do this podcast style video again.....if I do, I will just setup mics and record audio separate
In the 80s and 90s I was in a band with my wife, and as many as 7 other people on stage performing at private parties, weddings etc. Around 2k, and a bit before, noise regs came in and then in more recent years pubs moved away from music to more food and other entertainments taking up the same spaces.
Dunno where it's gonna go, but I'm looking to form a local band where we can just play for ourselves and audiences in my small town.
Topic begins at 4:50
I have a group of comrades, about 70 people. we live in Moscow. Amateurs. And we get together about once or twice a week in clubs and play covers. Excel table is open in Google, everyone can offer a song, and if there is a willing guitarist, bassist, vocalist, etc. for this song , then this song is played in the club. From The Beatles to Limp Bizkit and everything in between. Of course, most are vocalists, but so that the bass guitar is replaced by synthesizers at the club level - there is nothing like that. There are already very few keyboard players, and there are almost no good ones, so as long as there are live drummers, there will be live bassists. I play this way myself, I like it, its my way to not only learn covers with my headphones on, sitting in my kitchen, but also to get emotions from live communication and performance, because this is the most interesting part. Cheers.
I first started playing bass in 1969 at the age of 14. I have played in orchestras, jazz bands and half a dozen garage bands. I still play with 2 bands and can't imagine any music without bass. The first time I recall not hearing no bass was The Doors. Bass notes in Light My Fire were first done on Ray Manzerek's keyboard but session musician Larry Knechtel later was brought in to overdub a Fender P bass to double the keyboard bass line. I'm sure that other people can point out many other similar examples. Some pop music and hip hop bass sounds like friggin 60 cycle hum or some other idiotic noise not resembling a bass guitar. That's my rant. Thanks for the subject and lengthy discussion.
I've just discovered you, guys. Definitely looking forward to more podcast-style videos on bass-related topics. I really enjoyed this one. Now I'm checking out the earlier stuff you did on your channels. All the best from a late bass starter from Poland! (Have been playing guitar for thirty years or so, though. )
Love you guys! Please do more of these!
Hey there. Been watching your channel since you started. I'm a younger bass player. I started clicking your content when I was getting my feet wet as a working musician. I like your content a lot, but I haven't been clicking lately because recently they tended to be bass reviews and I'm not in a position to buy basses right now (I would, however, be interested in you talking us through your personal collection, telling stories about em [I'm half sure you haven't done that yet], or talking more about the evolution of working bassist's life over the 80s and 90s since I find that era of bass history is underrepresented). Still, I'm rooting for you and I'd love to see your content take off more. I definitely see value in you and your collaborators telling stories and sharing your wisdom. Your humor and editing are top notch. I'm not sure what kind of content you could produce to get a wider audience (and to get them to participate more), but I do know that if you keep making content to please yourself, you'll always have admirers, even if they are few. Good luck and I hope this helped. I am a lurker generally, and prefer not to participate on YT too much, but I feel like this community could be pretty cool and I can see that you need more thorough feedback from the audience. I get the feeling I'm not the biggest demographic in your audience, but I think that could change in the future. Yours truly,
4-string bass player
P.S. I have a 1983 Peavey t-20 my grandfather gave me. Frets are worn, but it kicks ass. Loved those Peavey bass reviews you did. My favorite bass is my 1973 fretless grass-green precision bass. I also love 12 string guitar. If you play a little guitar that would be cool to see too. Don't be afraid to show us your other talents.
Im beside myself! This is some of the most valuable constructive criticism I have ever gotten about my channel since I started it. Thank you SO much for taking the time to write and express this.....You already have the gears in my mind kicking into Overdrive for future content...PS: I had a T20 back when I was about 16. Its a bass I wish I still had. Yes I defintely have a soft spot for USA Peavey. I have a 5 String Dyna Bass I havent reviewed yet.....Im guessing the '73 is the one in your avatar and the one video thumbnail
Great discussion! i Like!
I enjoyed your video . I subscribe to both your channel’s and value what you guys have to say
I think it's much harder to do it full time than it used to be, but i think the more "Hobby" oriented bassist is in pretty great demand. It's the most sought after instrument in my particular town (St Louis) a lot of the time and I think there's more people that recognize the bass and an integral part of the music than ever. It's not just musicians that come up to me and chat about bass anymore, it's quite nice!
I loved of this talk! I expect more of this. Thanks
Hey man this was cool. Good topic. Technology has replaced a lot of instruments. You could have the same discussion about drums. How many new tunes do we hear without recorded acoustic drums? It’s all sampled with drum tracks. You can never replace a real rhythm section.
Hey bud! Just wanted to let you know I really dig this format of video you did here! It’s like a cool hang with friends discussing their shared interest. Good information, fun, the sharing of ideas and viewpoints AND entertaining. Love it!
If I need a guitar perspective, Im coming to you!
@@Rib13Bass I’d be honored and excited to join the fun! Thank you for even considering me! 😎
I am following this with great interest! As you know, I am still dumb enough to think I can make a living at this! 🤣
Before you consider coming to Florida, PM me first lol......there's a lot of work here but the musician market is also flooded here.....you have to be well networked to be our age and gig regularly and you know how long it takes to establish a proper network
I think one thing bassists will do is adapt. And by that, I don't mean compete with AI and modern pop, but step back, and take back the small gig scene. I believe this is gonna be the only way to succeed in music and art, on a local level. I don't think this will be a bad thing. If you can make good music, there will always be a market, even if it's a very small market. We are about to be humbled
Hmmmmm...Interesting!!!
All well and good but as a 67 yr.old gigging bassist, the local scene near me has dried up since lockdown.I can hardly find people to jam with nevermind gigs.
Ever Heard of "ROYAL BLOOD"
BASSIST AND DRUMMER ONLY
They Friggin' ROCK!!!
Yes they do! I like them a lot! But Im thinking bass/drum duos are more of an exception to the generality rule.....thanks for watching and commenting
I've thought about this myself. I play in my family band, The Electricfiers. Our crowd is mostly older, 40 to 60 year olds, and not much interest from the younger generation. My kid's friends have little to no interest in the style of music that we play, but the parents do. I don't think you can replace the rhythm section relationship between the bass and drums live. I know it's cheaper to record without a bass player if a keyboard or a computer suffices, but live gigs are a different matter. Hopefully this resurgence of 1980s rock will help.
Had I thought about it, I should have asked you for a FaceTime session and included your actual hands on experience in this video ( with permission, of course). I think your experience here would have been valuable........as always, thank you for watching and commenting
Thanks Rib, always glad to see your vids pop!
Good discussion gents.
I don't think it's dead at all. Certainly much more alive than guitar at least in the pop scene. Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, and a few others have some great bass lines in their songs right now. Hip hop always makes great use of bass as well. Indie rock is also still very popular as well. Check out Kero Kero Bonito or Beabadoobe. Still guitar/bass driven with live bands playing real instruments. Hope was never lost!
Like I mentioned in a different comment, some of those you mentioned- like Dua Lipa - aren't bass guitar: its a bass guitar VSTi...I noticed this and when I saw the BassBuzz video, he noticed it as well, and is one of the factors that started the idea to make this video. A lot of real bass on HipHop wasnt an actual guy recording the track for that specific project: its a loop, stem, or construction kit wav sample.....i think you are correct though, overall: real organic bass tone - whether played by an actual player, a loop/sample, or programmed on a VSTi, is definitely creeping back in.....thank you for watching and commenting
I'm curious if you've heard of the metal band "The Omnific". Just 1 drum 2 basses. No guitar!
I will check them out! Thanks
I'd say I hear more real instruments on the charts nowadays than in the 2000s-10's, I've heard real bass lines in tracks by Harry Styles, Dua Lipa, even new hip hop, I mean Kendrick Lamar's has full jazz orchestrations full of real instruments, (bitch don't kill my vibe is a killer bass line) not to mention the countless bass lines that have been laid down by the immensely popular Thundercat, samples are even usually doubled over by musicians, the human feeling is definitely still a sought after thing, silk sonic is a semi recent record full of soul and real instruments. Also I'd say with younger musicians in general most aren't trying to go into big studios anyway because home recording tech is infinity better in this day and age, music usually cycles around anyways, didn't people say synth tech was gonna kill off real instruments like 30 years ago? Anyways I'm a 25yo bass player and that's part of my perspective 😅
I believe most of those cool bass guitar parts on Dua Lipa songs are actually a bass VSTi - the Bass buzz video also mentions this and was part of the reason why I got started on this video after discovering somebody else noticed it besides me lol.....theres a LOT of 'real' basses on modern pop songs that I think are programmed. Companies like Solemn Tones and AmpleSound both make very impressive bass VSTi instruments...Still, I agree with you totally about the human feel thing and that is going to be the key for bass - and all organic instruments - to survive...Thanks for commenting and watching
I sold my original (sunburst, mother of pearl inlay) Jazz bass like 35 years ago and i still regret it. lol
P.S. I must admit that i just used bass sounds in a tracker when I made my flat earth parody songs while I could easily play a bass track.
I have a couple of Bass VSTi instruments. I have the Solemn Tones Kraken and the AmpleSound P (the 32 bit version they had as a Free download a long time ago)....because I have been a programmer since the 80s, I can usually program (via scroll and mouse) very fast and, often, using a Bass VSTi on a part is a great way to audition a bassline in my head to hear. Theres been a handful of times where I just left the programmed bass....Thanks for coming by and commenting
Is bass playing dead?
… well, yeah, the way some people play it.
De-reverb. The room is a bit much. The content is good - the recording is too hard to listen to.
Thanks for the feedback Chris....this was kind of an experiment......in the description, I wrote that I will address the audio if I ever do this podcast style video again.....if I do, I will just setup mics and record audio separate