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Hey, Izzy and MJ! Thanks for all of your content! Our first class A, like Terry 3193 was a 36' gasser. It was on a Ford Chassis with a V10 Triton engine. It served us extremely well for our 14yrs of ownership. We recently gave our gasser to a friend for him and his family to enjoy. After a few years of owning our gasser, my dream was to own a 45' DP someday. My wife & I would marvel over the beautiful DP's in the campgrounds! Having previously owned a small trucking company, the cost of maintaining a diesel was never a concern and I knew the benefits of a diesel. One day, with prayer, I decided to fulfill my dream and bought a 45' Luxury DP! We are SO happy we did!! The ride, the space, the luxury, the power, and the pride of ownership can't be beat! It's a true pleasure to drive as well. We are very thankful and humble, but we always enjoy the compliments we get on our rig when we're at the resorts and campgrounds. We're looking forward to the day we retire so that we can hit the road full time! We are TEAM DIESEL ALL THE WAY!!
We traveled for 10 years full time in a 35 ft gas coach, super reliable, maintenance cost were low. now we travel in a Tiffin. I would say maintenance cost is about 5 times more annually, so you will pay for the comfort and convenience of a diesel.
Went from a 31 ft gasser to 40 ft dp. A world of difference. DP, better ride. Loads of power. Jake brakes for steep grades. Aquahot heater endless hot water. Better range. Ability to carry more water and fuel. I have 1000 mile range. Tag axle means better stability while towing or driving in high winds.
I'm a Retired Diesel Mechanic and I Definitely Prefer them. Everything You said is true and with both the more preventative maintenance you do the Longer Your Vehicle lasts.
We've had a gas motorhome for the last 2 years (our first RV). We drove it through the mountains in Colorado last year. Never again. We bought a used diesel pusher last week during the Florida RV Show. I'm definitely Team diesel now!
Hi guys, great video. We’ve owned every kind of rv over the last 40:years. We cut our teeth into the class a coach several years ago with a 36’ gas coach. Loved it. Kids were very young and we had the best time in it. Then we eventually upgraded to a mid level 41’ DP. Really liked it but then we decided to “go big or go home” and upgraded a year ago to a used 45’ luxury DP w/tag, 4 slides, 525 HP Cummins, etc. I’m not sure why we didn’t do this sooner, other than the cost of the Coach…LOL. It is amazing, the quality is incredible, we couldn’t be happier. So much storage, insane quality, smooth, quiet, and powerful, loaded with every possible feature. It’s crazy! Plus, it’s so beautiful. I love pulling into the park or campground with it. I’m smiling just thinking about it. Was it cheap…no, but there’s an old adage, “you get what you pay for”. We would never go back to anything less if we didn’t have to. Good luck!👍
Coming from a gas A-Class, the most important thing to me is he ease and availability to get fuel. Truck stops have dedicated fuel lanes for convenience. Winding your way around gas pumps, especially with a toad, is sometime challenging to the extreme. Never again.
We are fulltimers and I honestly have to go way against the grain here, but I think gas is a much better choice for anyone who wouldn't consider themselves wealthy. It is not uncommon if not a regular occurrence for a diesel motorhome to require a repair that can cost 15,000 to 20,000. Thinks like turbos and injectors are EXTREMELY expensive. If that cost wouldn't bother you, than sure, the luxury of diesel chassis would be really nice. Maintenance is also something that's often misunderstood when it comes to oil changes. People think they can save a bit because diesels can go longer between changes but forget you need to change your oil once a year regardless of mileage. I have seen garages charge over 1k for the diesel oil changes and only 350 for gas. Rving especially fulltime really shines when you slow down and take time to enjoy different places. We don't live fulltime to just drive everywhere. Finally, the ford gas chassis is pretty damn remarkable for the price. We have gone up and down massive mountains while flat towing and it's really performed great. Ya, it could be smoother or quieter, but is that worth 100k to you? It isnt to me.
Izzy and MJ, all good points that were all considerations when we decided to go to diesel after 5 gas coaches. I can't say that I'm in either team Diesel or team Gasoline since we were very happy with each coach we owned given the boundary conditions at the time. While only using it for weekend trips with the kids, the gassers were exactly what we needed, but as we approach retirement and more extensive stays in the coach, the added space and carrying capacity is key, in addition to a much more enjoyable driving experience. No more dreading the hills ahead and the v10 sounding like it will chuck a connecting rod through the doghouse. Cost of ownership is quite a bit higher for a diesel compared to gas, and even though service intervals can be longer based on mileage, much is still recommended annually, and diligent maintenance is much more important with a Diesel engine. The storage, both inside and out really depends on the model, floor plan and brand. Many people are scared off by the pump price of diesel vs. gas, but in all reality there are very good diesel discount programs targeted at truckers that RVs can take advantage of and in combination with a 25% improvement in fuel economy, the cost for fuel (including DEF) has been less (even last season) when comparing our current 2020 Phaeton 40IH to our previous 2012 Open Road 35QBA, driving the same roads with the same toad. Of course RVs are a luxury item and for most of us it comes down to how we want to spend our disposable income. There is no debate that a Diesel Pusher is better in most every way, if the benefits are worth the cost is a very personal decision.
Diesel team.. I started out with a gas class C, then went up to a class A gas motor home.. Next time I buy, I want a diesel pusher for all the reason you noted, plus I love the residential refrigerator!! I truly dislike how small the refrigerators were in the Class C and class A gas motorhomes! Thanks guys for the video!!
If I were in the market for a motorhome, I believe I would definitely go diesel. The longer engine life is a major concern, the added torque, and the fact that if it is stored, the fuel won't go bad. Also the fact that a diesel pusher is made more "heavy duty" is a real plus as well. If they are maintained, they will last forever...nearly. Love the channel guys and M.J., I'm so glad to see you doing well.
Team Diesel!!! All true statements. I service mine, myself. Saves me hundred of dollars. When it's something I can't do, then it's time for the "professionals". I just don't have a building to get under the chassis. To me, it's worth the extra cost in gas to gain from the comfort and towing abilities.
Diesel all the way!! Everything you have said is right on. Take one out for a drive and you will quickly be surprised at how they handle on the highway. Semi's pass you and your diesel will be a tank and will not move at all. Our Oscar is twenty years old with about sixty thousand miles and he travels great. When we choose to trade him in we will definitely look for another diesel. We love our diesel pusher!! Thank you for a great video and you two are great!! We enjoy each time we are together!! Everyone that is listening needs to check the diesels out. You won't be disappointed!! Happy Camping!!!
We have a used 2011 Ventana and absolutely love it . We traded our 5th wheel in and never looked back . We looked at Gas Class A and didn’t like the set up . Team Diesel here
Not mentioned, my understanding has been that the Diesel Pushers are a million-mile chassis. That's the same as transcontinental buses and big rig trucks. In clearer terms, this means than you can expect the engine etcetera to last that long with just replacing outer parts that happen to go bad. To be clearer for those who don't know things automotive, it means the bulk of the mechanicals are designed to last that long. I first heard this not long after having purchased our first diesel pusher and over our years with that coach I'd heard the same from a number of other people, including mechanics. There's a reason DP's cost what they do, and this is a big part of that. While Izzy and MJ lightly touched on it in this video (more so in other videos) I want to say that any Diesel Pusher in road worthy condition is easier to drive than a Class A, gas coach. Just compare the tires on the two, the Diesel Pusher tires are much bigger. So if you're shopping used, don't think an older coach without Comfort-Steer (or the others with their special steering features) isn't going to drive great, they will, I promise.
Great points. Bottom line "you get what you pay for". We own a 35 ft Newmar Ventana. Plenty of room for the two of us. Preventative maintenance is not cheap. Buy used and save a ton.
Yep I could list a few things about diesel motorhomes not stated. One if you go with a tag axel . You will pay a lot more but so many benefits. The tag axel will give you larger weight you can put into the motorhome or even tow larger weights as well. Another the further the distance from the front tire to the drive tire the smother the ride. As well the taller the tire the smoother the ride as well.
All good points. I must add that diesel upkeep is much more $$$ My 2020 has 40,000 miles on it. It costs me about $4,000 a yr just to turn the key between insurance, and maintenance. So I say if you buy a diesel motorhome, you better use it. It can’t sit.
We need to stick to 33’ to fit at home to load and unload. We don’t do mountains and only drive 4 hours per day. Love the peacefulness of the wife following in the minivan. In 33’ we have four pass throughs with 135 cu ft of basement storage. And lastly, we can barely afford to use ours 20+ long weekends per year. So, even when a friend offer us a awesome deal on a 2008 37’ DP, we passed on a DP for a 2013 33’ gasser. Now, one winning lottery ticket would change our minds. 😊
Another excellent video by you guys. My wife and I just bought a 2018 Ventana 4369 last March and are loving it. Our first trip was all the way from Idaho to Washington DC, back through North Carolina, up pulling my Ram 1500. Every time we get home we just start thinking about how soon we can leave again, which we will be doing Saturday!
I agree with all that you said. Having owned the 45' for more than 38 years, the only caution I would give, Check with your DMV on what the tags in your state are. A motor home over 40' with a tag axle can more than double. There are a few states that will allow you to have a LLC in their state which reduces that cost by a lot. Really check that out first or may really regret it
Diesel Pusher the way to go, had both, now have Diesel 450HP Spartan Chassis, so much better driving and pulls hills without having to increase speed to keep speed up hill, very happy with our 22 Entegra Aspire!
I'm diesel but small. 26' Forest River on a Sprinter chassis with a Mercedes diesel. I will be class A some day and will definitely be diesel. Love it and getting 13+ mpg.
I have an older Monaco dynasty, and I would not recommend anyone buying a new motorhome from what I’ve seen nowadays. The quality of the older coaches is just not there.
I have my Chevy 2500 HD 4WD Diesel and it pulls my fifth wheel toy hauler around Texas just fine. I don’t know how it does in the Rocky Mountains, probably, not well. My next RV will be 45 footer pulling a stacker trailer so it will be a 600 hp diesel about 30K towing.
Team Diesel! Bought our 2022 Entegra Accolade XL new last year, and I just love it. We get 1000 miles to the tank full approximately. I worked in trucking and truck repair for 15 years so I know a lot about engines, transmissions, air brakes, Jake brakes, air bags, etc. I am very comfortable in the drivers seat.
For me driving a diesel pusher is like driving a caddy and a gas powered which I had before is like driving a old pickup truck. My wife and me no longer have to raise our voices for the other to hear. I had a V10 and noise wasn't something we could handle besides how slow on the hills not only up but down as well. I have a older model with a 330 hp cat and I very rarely used the brakes on the hwy with the engine brake. I drove semi's for 42 years so I understand how to use the engine brake with the brake pedal. Right now we are in FL for the winter and will be heading back home to B.C. CANADA fairly soon.I will say with a lot better mpg than the gas motor my fuel costs were about equal on this trip driving at about 60 to 65 mph.
We have a 42' Class A diesel pusher. Depending on level of quality you can have anywhere from 4 to 10 air bags which determines your level of ride comfort. We have 10 air bags. Also our coach levels with the air bags so we don't have any jacks to worry about.
Team Diesel!!! My wife and I have a 2017 Tiffin Allegro Breeze 31BR, .Even though it's small with only 275hp, it fits our needs and gets us into State & National Parks with no hassle.
Diesel engine don't have the long drive shaft going from the front of a gas motorhome all the way back to the rear wheels, freeing up space for mire storage.
We have a 2005 winnebago journey diesel pusher we like the quality of the diesel vs gas. Beware when you get a diesel make sure you get the generator with a slide out or your looking at major bucks to repair it
I have a new bounder 35k, and I am full timing. After having it for a few months, I now realize I should have gotten a diesel pusher. I'll pay the extra for fuel and upkeep in return for more storage and able to pull the car vs wife following because it's too heavy to pull...second thought it is more peaceful.
Team diesel, All true statements, some manufacturers are higher end than others. Resale is huge, I don't think you would ever have an issue selling one either, no matter the age someone is looking to upgrade from gas to diesel at every price level. Great video guys, safe travels
We love our Super C with Ford Powerstroke. The only diesel negative I can come up with are emission control components. It’s a plague to recent Cummins. During this Christmas cold snap we had a DEF tank heater issue. All this being said: IM ALL DIESEL
Diesel 100% The power/torque is unbeatable.. I owned a diesel Passat and loved it.. That one motorhome looked like yall were inside a hotel in downtown NY!
Great topic. After I eliminated new, eliminated Nexus (new), we’ve settled our searches primarily on pre-emissions Country Coach. As I near retirement I do have time to do a thorough search. Thanks to you nice folks and a few others, we feel we are getting the most up to date info. Thank you again and Stay SAFE!
Hi guys!! We walked into several diesel pushers and gas platforms at the show and there is a huge difference between them. In a diesel you get the bigger air breaks but more importantly is engine breaking which greatly reduces the stress put on the physical brakes. I guess i would have to say we are team gas right now because we tow our 5th wheel with a gas dually lol!! Safe travels!
Full timing in Newmar Canyon Star 3953. Love it! Hubby can't stand up in area over rear engine cause he's too tall so our gasser has our perfect floorplan with bath and half and full height ceiling everywhere.
I have snap pads on my Winnebago 2108 travel trailer on all four stabilizer jacks. I changed out the tongue jack out to 9” round adjustable foot and put a 9” round snap pad on it. Diesel pushers are great if you can afford it. I full time in a 22 1/2 foot travel trailer. There’s a big difference between what you need and what you want. Myself, I’m pretty much a minimalist so I’m fine with my setup.
More reasons for diesel pushers: 1) ability to dump air from bags to lower coach at site, 2)engine brakes make for much safer steep long downhill runs, 3) no drive shaft from front to back to interfere with storage space (unlike a Super C). But, some disadvantages: 1) first thing to arrive on scene of an accident will be your feet, which are only inches from the front, 2) availability of maintenance or repair facilities willing to work on engine buried under bedroom or rear bath (Super C wins here).
You are spot on. We went from a gas motorhome to a DP and loved it. We have just traded her for a B van. At this time in our lives we are wanting more flexibility with our travel. However I know we will miss all the amenities our coach had. She was a beauty!
One thing that comes to mind is because diesel pushers have air ride suspension do you need a Z license to drive it because of the air ride suspension......... the same as a tractor trailer driver ?
Diesel all the way! We moved up to a diesel so that we could get a washer/dryer in the unit. Plus the quiet air ride....once I drove it I couldn't get it out of my head. Its so much more comfortable and quiet than our previous gas unit.
yes I have to agree. I have a 2003 American eagle. and yes it does have a lot more Torgue. I have a huge 150 gallon fuel tank. and one of the best features on my model are the heated floors.👍
Team diesel, Newmar New Aire. No offense but the class A gassers are more like drivable travel trailers. While the gassers are less expensive, they are also less in every other way. Not going to spend a couple hundred thousand on a drivable trailer when you could have something better for a little more money, and like you said because a diesel will hold a little better value, that all works out in the end. So while gas prices might be less than diesel, I believe the cost difference works out to be the same over the long run, btw I have nothing to base that on other than word of mouth. For you guys, that would make a great video when you do get your diesel, a cost comparison over the short run (first year) and longer run (2, 3, 4, and 5 years); I'd be very interested in seeing the difference to see if we made a good choice by going straight to diesel. Hope to one day see you on the road!!
We’ve owned both, towed w both. For me, the exhaust braking when towing downhill, like recently driving down The Rockies , wow! Super easy and I could feel that power of the diesel exhaust stopping me not having to use the brakes. Exhaust brakes are not engine “Jake” brakes like on big rigs but as a person who grew up on trucks, I don’t feel the difference between the 2. AND you don’t get the noise w exhaust brakes on RVs like the engine brakes on big rigs. Soooo if you’re towing something with significant weight, we tow a 8000lb boat or a 7000lb Hummer, you can only get the confidence of stopping power w a diesel… imo 🤓
We LOVE our Bay Star 2901; it fits into almost any spot and is easy to drive. 30' is our max and State, National, Local Parks have limits and thats were we camp!!!! Besides, compared to many people campers around us, we are in complete luxury and I would kinda like to "fit in" amongst other campers, so diesel is really not for us! Beautiful to look at but we are not ready and may never be!
We have a beautiful diesal motorhome that we love, but we went from Southern California to Montana (visited Yellowstone and Bryce Canyon National Parks in September 22 and we spent $1600.00 in diesal fuel alone. It was the most expensive vacation. We were missing our very first RV, a tiny 17 ft travel trailer. LOL!
I would go diesel. Diesel all the way! I can’t wait to see what you will be getting for you next Rv. I love your Nelli! She’s a beautiful Class A. I’ll be happy for with whatever you pick.
I don't like the front bus-style entry doors on most diesels. You lose passenger seating things like a workstation usually. And if you have an overhead bunk that's problematic. Mid-entry is ok.
As folks in the business say, I'm sure you probaby know him but he seems like a pretty straight forward man. But the big difference in diesel and gas is price and ride quality. But he says if your a weekend warrior and just getting out the. It's hard to justify that kind of money for diesel just for weekends but if your full timing it? You will likely be glad you did.
Team Diesel for us. We have had it all and the rig prior now was a Tiffin 32SA gas rig (2019). Loved the layout and storage, but the ride was horrendous. After our last big trip, we decided to go diesel and got a used 2017 Tiffin 33AA. Love the rig and at 35’, fits pretty much allows us to go anywhere we want to go. Once you start to get the 40’ + rigs, really start getting limited on where you can stay. The only thing I wish we had more of on our RED is storage in the bay.
Even with my teeny tiny Class B, I appreciate the power, handling and great mileage (22 MPG) of my Diesel chassis. BUT…I’m finding it’s harder and harder to find the ultra low sulfur diesel my Mercedes Sprinter demands. Some techs will tell you certain kinds of renewable diesel is okay for the engine but not biodiesel. Maybe it’s the kind of RVing I do (lots of deserts and wide open empty spaces), but I’m spending most of my trip planning working out where I can fuel up rather than planning hikes and sightseeing. Something to consider.
Diesel is the only way to go. More up front cost, higher return when selling. Up the mountains ⛰, down the mountains ⛰ with exhaust brake better function. Larger fuel tank, longer range. Just went 800 miles on one tank. Out in Wyoming after 9/15 places close up. Don't run diesel out of fuel. Had to drive 2 more towns to find diesel. The plus when I get good price, I fill up and can save $50-100 on tank of fuel. Cummins guy. Get engine that truckers use for repair shops. Jump in, I'm on my 6th diesel, learn as you go. Fuel filters, a must! Happy trails.
The diesel generators are so much quieter these days. Myv12.5k diesel one was quieter than the much smaller gas one in the gas Class A that was camped next to us. As Big Truck, Big RV said, "You pay more for a diesel up front but you get more on the back end". I am a huge fan of diesels in a motorhome, not as much in a truck unless you're hauling a lot of weight. We're debating over our next one because the DW wants to downsize while I'm leaning toward a Foretravel Realm Presidential with the bunks for grandkids. I like my comfort.
Diésel is the way to go my favorite thing is when you have to fill your tank I have a gas and it’s awful to get on gas stations can wait till next year
You’re on the money…I’ll always have diesel and currently it’s a Entegra Accolade which i really love. The ride is good, it tows great; but you hear the diesel, which you get used to.
As much as I like Class A cuz of the room inside, when its time for us, it will be a Class C but Diesel for sure. Just having that Torque/Towing and longer range of Diesel fuel in my opinion, is more value than a gas engine. Great video explaining the difference guys, helps a lot!
We learned two lessons when trading from our 2020 Winnebago Adventurer 30T (31’) to a 2022 Dutch Star 3709 (38’). I was so excited about going from ~1500 lbs of ccc to ~4000 lbs…then realized I have LESS effective cabinet storage due to shallow under bed area and the famous Newmar head rail that eats half of the cabinet space fown one side of the rug. The basement storage is really not any more than our gasser…maybe that’s the Oasis system in the all-electric eating up space. Second, we didn’t realize the stock hitch on the DS is 5,000 lbs…so yes, it can tow 10k but we will need to change that out when we’re ready to change our toad. All that said, we absolutely agree that especially for FT, if you want a class a, go diesel. Quieter ride, quieter interior, even quieter when you need to be on generator (our gasser Onan was under the bed!). And last but not least…thanks for signing my hat in Tampa! 🤗
Personally I think you are doing the right thing by going over to diesel but for one consideration. The carbon emissions are far greater than gas emissions. There’s a lot of work going on to alter this but as yet we all need to consider this. Solar panels are one way of reducing your emissions and I hope you will consider this. Personally I’d go for diesel but try everything to offset the emissions. As you say they have a much longer life expectancy than gas. You also can expect more mpg than in a gas RV and less issues. Most of Europe is now diesel and mechanic’s are well trained to service and repair any engine issues. Keep us posted please 😎💕💫
@@EndlessRVing If that were true I wonder why the manufacturers are all working on electric ⚡️ alternative fuels to increase the mileage expediently whilst decreasing carbon emissions? They have made major breakthroughs with trucks.
Love the video, 100% for most timing a diesel is the way to go. We love the Dutch Star and the Renegade. Not sure what the next one we be yet. I have 5 years to retire...
If you like to boondock/state/nation park, its harder to balance a DP to fit that. Just my 2c, the only ones I would consider are the older Country Coach/Monaco ect models. If you need it, you can't beat that power and luxury on newer units though.
I see all those things you just dropped as only available in diesel rv's in gas rv's all the time on these shows...heated floors, etc. I don't get how can you say one is better than the other when the same options are available across both rv forms. That model did look really nice & roomy though. Thanks.
Our next rig will be a diesel. But we are thinking a super C on a freighliner chassis. I just feel safer having the engine in front in the event of a collision. But I know that a pusher is a much better ride and very luxurious 😍
All it takes is money. Not just to buy it, but for insurance, registration, maintenance and operating costs too. We're domiciled in Louisiana where the sales tax is 10%. That means a $400k MH would cost $40,000 in taxes just to register it (plus title, license and renewals, of course.) We were able to buy our used, well maintained 36ft National Tropical gasser with only 28k miles on it for less than 40% of just the taxes we would have had to pay on a $400k diesel MH! Then there's the dollar a gallon price difference between diesel fuel vs gas - even more in many states. So if you travel 10,000 miles a year, that's about $1,250 more your fuel will cost every year (+DEF, assuming you get the same mileage, but with twice the weight, maybe not.) And I don't want to even know what full coverage insurance costs on a $400,000 motorhome. I'm sure If someone gave me one for free, I couldn't afford the fuel, upkeep, tags and insurance. Plus, diesels are very heavy - twice the weight of the 36ft gas MH we FT in. This is important if you like to boondock a lot like we do. The extra weight makes them easier to get stuck in pastures, on beaches, in the desert and on muddy Forest Service roads. That extra basement space makes them taller too. Most are as tall as a fiver (13ft or more). Our gasser is only 11ft 9 in so it's less apt to catch tree limbs. The first month we had ours a tree limb in FL cleaned off our WIFI antenna that was only protruding 6" above our ladder. If we were in a taller diesel MH our AC units would have been sheared off too. But if you only travel on Interstates and major highways, avoid low bridges and stay at big rig friendly RV parks, they sure are sweet. But you know what else is sweet? Being able to retire at 62, debt free, and live this lifestyle on just our social security and a small pension. Life is good.
We are almost ready to go from our 2018 Bay Star Sport 2903 gas to a 2015 Ventana 3436 diesel. This is after 3 years (mostly real good times) in the Bay Star. Doing this primarily because of the "ride" on our last 2,400 mile trip. So much is said about the way better ride in the DP. That's great. Now that I have found one 1,700 miles away and awaiting an inspection I'm reading about all the maintenance expenses and major gas vs. diesel issues. Some of these comments make me wonder IS diesel the best choice? Especially for a guy NOT very mechanically inclined. Thoughts?
we started with a ‘17 Tiffin Open Road 32 SA (gasser) and went through the mountains with a towed-she struggled! Started to invest in equipment to improve ride on highway, but then stopped and decided to trade in for a dp. (‘17 Fleetwood Discovery 38K) Having gone to the Tampa show, we are considering trading for another ‘20 to ‘22 dp with the driver technology and we love the girrard awnings!
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Hey, Izzy and MJ! Thanks for all of your content! Our first class A, like Terry 3193 was a 36' gasser. It was on a Ford Chassis with a V10 Triton engine. It served us extremely well for our 14yrs of ownership. We recently gave our gasser to a friend for him and his family to enjoy. After a few years of owning our gasser, my dream was to own a 45' DP someday. My wife & I would marvel over the beautiful DP's in the campgrounds! Having previously owned a small trucking company, the cost of maintaining a diesel was never a concern and I knew the benefits of a diesel. One day, with prayer, I decided to fulfill my dream and bought a 45' Luxury DP! We are SO happy we did!! The ride, the space, the luxury, the power, and the pride of ownership can't be beat! It's a true pleasure to drive as well. We are very thankful and humble, but we always enjoy the compliments we get on our rig when we're at the resorts and campgrounds. We're looking forward to the day we retire so that we can hit the road full time! We are TEAM DIESEL ALL THE WAY!!
We traveled for 10 years full time in a 35 ft gas coach, super reliable, maintenance cost were low. now we travel in a Tiffin. I would say maintenance cost is about 5 times more annually, so you will pay for the comfort and convenience of a diesel.
Went from a 31 ft gasser to 40 ft dp. A world of difference. DP, better ride. Loads of power. Jake brakes for steep grades. Aquahot heater endless hot water. Better range. Ability to carry more water and fuel. I have 1000 mile range. Tag axle means better stability while towing or driving in high winds.
I'm a Retired Diesel Mechanic and I Definitely Prefer them. Everything You said is true and with both the more preventative maintenance you do the Longer Your Vehicle lasts.
We've had a gas motorhome for the last 2 years (our first RV). We drove it through the mountains in Colorado last year. Never again. We bought a used diesel pusher last week during the Florida RV Show. I'm definitely Team diesel now!
Hi guys, great video. We’ve owned every kind of rv over the last 40:years. We cut our teeth into the class a coach several years ago with a 36’ gas coach. Loved it. Kids were very young and we had the best time in it. Then we eventually upgraded to a mid level 41’ DP. Really liked it but then we decided to “go big or go home” and upgraded a year ago to a used 45’ luxury DP w/tag, 4 slides, 525 HP Cummins, etc. I’m not sure why we didn’t do this sooner, other than the cost of the Coach…LOL. It is amazing, the quality is incredible, we couldn’t be happier. So much storage, insane quality, smooth, quiet, and powerful, loaded with every possible feature. It’s crazy! Plus, it’s so beautiful. I love pulling into the park or campground with it. I’m smiling just thinking about it. Was it cheap…no, but there’s an old adage, “you get what you pay for”. We would never go back to anything less if we didn’t have to. Good luck!👍
Coming from a gas A-Class, the most important thing to me is he ease and availability to get fuel. Truck stops have dedicated fuel lanes for convenience. Winding your way around gas pumps, especially with a toad, is sometime challenging to the extreme. Never again.
We are fulltimers and I honestly have to go way against the grain here, but I think gas is a much better choice for anyone who wouldn't consider themselves wealthy. It is not uncommon if not a regular occurrence for a diesel motorhome to require a repair that can cost 15,000 to 20,000. Thinks like turbos and injectors are EXTREMELY expensive. If that cost wouldn't bother you, than sure, the luxury of diesel chassis would be really nice. Maintenance is also something that's often misunderstood when it comes to oil changes. People think they can save a bit because diesels can go longer between changes but forget you need to change your oil once a year regardless of mileage. I have seen garages charge over 1k for the diesel oil changes and only 350 for gas. Rving especially fulltime really shines when you slow down and take time to enjoy different places. We don't live fulltime to just drive everywhere. Finally, the ford gas chassis is pretty damn remarkable for the price. We have gone up and down massive mountains while flat towing and it's really performed great. Ya, it could be smoother or quieter, but is that worth 100k to you? It isnt to me.
Izzy and MJ, all good points that were all considerations when we decided to go to diesel after 5 gas coaches. I can't say that I'm in either team Diesel or team Gasoline since we were very happy with each coach we owned given the boundary conditions at the time. While only using it for weekend trips with the kids, the gassers were exactly what we needed, but as we approach retirement and more extensive stays in the coach, the added space and carrying capacity is key, in addition to a much more enjoyable driving experience. No more dreading the hills ahead and the v10 sounding like it will chuck a connecting rod through the doghouse. Cost of ownership is quite a bit higher for a diesel compared to gas, and even though service intervals can be longer based on mileage, much is still recommended annually, and diligent maintenance is much more important with a Diesel engine. The storage, both inside and out really depends on the model, floor plan and brand. Many people are scared off by the pump price of diesel vs. gas, but in all reality there are very good diesel discount programs targeted at truckers that RVs can take advantage of and in combination with a 25% improvement in fuel economy, the cost for fuel (including DEF) has been less (even last season) when comparing our current 2020 Phaeton 40IH to our previous 2012 Open Road 35QBA, driving the same roads with the same toad. Of course RVs are a luxury item and for most of us it comes down to how we want to spend our disposable income. There is no debate that a Diesel Pusher is better in most every way, if the benefits are worth the cost is a very personal decision.
Diesel team.. I started out with a gas class C, then went up to a class A gas motor home.. Next time I buy, I want a diesel pusher for all the reason you noted, plus I love the residential refrigerator!! I truly dislike how small the refrigerators were in the Class C and class A gas motorhomes! Thanks guys for the video!!
If I were in the market for a motorhome, I believe I would definitely go diesel. The longer engine life is a major concern, the added torque, and the fact that if it is stored, the fuel won't go bad. Also the fact that a diesel pusher is made more "heavy duty" is a real plus as well. If they are maintained, they will last forever...nearly. Love the channel guys and M.J., I'm so glad to see you doing well.
Team Diesel!!! All true statements. I service mine, myself. Saves me hundred of dollars. When it's something I can't do, then it's time for the "professionals". I just don't have a building to get under the chassis. To me, it's worth the extra cost in gas to gain from the comfort and towing abilities.
We've had a gas class A, a 5th wheel and now have a diesel pusher. Would never go back. The exhaust brake alone is a game changer.
Diesel all the way!! Everything you have said is right on. Take one out for a drive and you will quickly be surprised at how they handle on the highway. Semi's pass you and your diesel will be a tank and will not move at all. Our Oscar is twenty years old with about sixty thousand miles and he travels great. When we choose to trade him in we will definitely look for another diesel. We love our diesel pusher!! Thank you for a great video and you two are great!! We enjoy each time we are together!! Everyone that is listening needs to check the diesels out. You won't be disappointed!! Happy Camping!!!
We have a used 2011 Ventana and absolutely love it . We traded our 5th wheel in and never looked back . We looked at Gas Class A and didn’t like the set up . Team Diesel here
We went from a travel trailer straight to a diesel pusher. We love it.
Not mentioned, my understanding has been that the Diesel Pushers are a million-mile chassis. That's the same as transcontinental buses and big rig trucks. In clearer terms, this means than you can expect the engine etcetera to last that long with just replacing outer parts that happen to go bad. To be clearer for those who don't know things automotive, it means the bulk of the mechanicals are designed to last that long. I first heard this not long after having purchased our first diesel pusher and over our years with that coach I'd heard the same from a number of other people, including mechanics. There's a reason DP's cost what they do, and this is a big part of that.
While Izzy and MJ lightly touched on it in this video (more so in other videos) I want to say that any Diesel Pusher in road worthy condition is easier to drive than a Class A, gas coach. Just compare the tires on the two, the Diesel Pusher tires are much bigger. So if you're shopping used, don't think an older coach without Comfort-Steer (or the others with their special steering features) isn't going to drive great, they will, I promise.
Great points. Bottom line "you get what you pay for". We own a 35 ft Newmar Ventana. Plenty of room for the two of us. Preventative maintenance is not cheap. Buy used and save a ton.
Yep I could list a few things about diesel motorhomes not stated. One if you go with a tag axel . You will pay a lot more but
so many benefits. The tag axel will give you larger weight you can put into the motorhome or even tow larger weights as well.
Another the further the distance from the front tire to the drive tire the smother the ride. As well the taller the tire the smoother
the ride as well.
All good points.
I must add that diesel upkeep is much more $$$
My 2020 has 40,000 miles on it. It costs me about $4,000 a yr just to turn the key between insurance, and maintenance. So I say if you buy a diesel motorhome, you better use it. It can’t sit.
We need to stick to 33’ to fit at home to load and unload. We don’t do mountains and only drive 4 hours per day. Love the peacefulness of the wife following in the minivan. In 33’ we have four pass throughs with 135 cu ft of basement storage. And lastly, we can barely afford to use ours 20+ long weekends per year. So, even when a friend offer us a awesome deal on a 2008 37’ DP, we passed on a DP for a 2013 33’ gasser.
Now, one winning lottery ticket would change our minds. 😊
Another excellent video by you guys. My wife and I just bought a 2018 Ventana 4369 last March and are loving it. Our first trip was all the way from Idaho to Washington DC, back through North Carolina, up pulling my Ram 1500. Every time we get home we just start thinking about how soon we can leave again, which we will be doing Saturday!
I agree with all that you said. Having owned the 45' for more than 38 years, the only caution I would give, Check with your DMV on what the tags in your state are. A motor home over 40' with a tag axle can more than double. There are a few states that will allow you to have a LLC in their state which reduces that cost by a lot. Really check that out first or may really regret it
Diesel Pusher the way to go, had both, now have Diesel 450HP Spartan Chassis, so much better driving and pulls hills without having to increase speed to keep speed up hill, very happy with our 22 Entegra Aspire!
I'm diesel but small. 26' Forest River on a Sprinter chassis with a Mercedes diesel. I will be class A some day and will definitely be diesel. Love it and getting 13+ mpg.
I have an older Monaco dynasty, and I would not recommend anyone buying a new motorhome from what I’ve seen nowadays. The quality of the older coaches is just not there.
The Dynasty is gorgeous. Beautiful woodwork in them. Older coach's have superior quality.
The reason we like diesel is the ability to use truck stops to fuel up. So nice to have all the room you need instead of a cramped gas station.
I have my Chevy 2500 HD 4WD Diesel and it pulls my fifth wheel toy hauler around Texas just fine. I don’t know how it does in the Rocky Mountains, probably, not well. My next RV will be 45 footer pulling a stacker trailer so it will be a 600 hp diesel about 30K towing.
2003 Newmar Dutch Star 4050 diesel pusher. 350 hp cummings with a 30 % tuner on it. Love it. 🙂
Diesel for me . Everything you stated is spot on !! The power for mountain driving is there when needed 🥰
Team Diesel! Bought our 2022 Entegra Accolade XL new last year, and I just love it. We get 1000 miles to the tank full approximately. I worked in trucking and truck repair for 15 years so I know a lot about engines, transmissions, air brakes, Jake brakes, air bags, etc. I am very comfortable in the drivers seat.
For me driving a diesel pusher is like driving a caddy and a gas powered which I had before is like driving a old pickup truck. My wife and me no longer have to raise our voices for the other to hear. I had a V10 and noise wasn't something we could handle besides how slow on the hills not only up but down as well. I have a older model with a 330 hp cat and I very rarely used the brakes on the hwy with the engine brake. I drove semi's for 42 years so I understand how to use the engine brake with the brake pedal. Right now we are in FL for the winter and will be heading back home to B.C. CANADA fairly soon.I will say with a lot better mpg than the gas motor my fuel costs were about equal on this trip driving at about 60 to 65 mph.
We went from a Thor Challenger 37FH to a Newmar Dutch Star 4018. Our primary motivation was to get the engine braking capabilities.
We have a 42' Class A diesel pusher. Depending on level of quality you can have anywhere from 4 to 10 air bags which determines your level of ride comfort. We have 10 air bags. Also our coach levels with the air bags so we don't have any jacks to worry about.
Team Diesel!!! My wife and I have a 2017 Tiffin Allegro Breeze 31BR, .Even though it's small with only 275hp, it fits our needs and gets us into State & National Parks with no hassle.
I have a Super C diesel. Love how it drives and have an engine in front of me for safety. Doors to exit real easy. Can carry lots of stuff.
Diesel engine don't have the long drive shaft going from the front of a gas motorhome all the way back to the rear wheels, freeing up space for mire storage.
Great video, I'm Team Diesel! Another thing with large diesel pushers is larger fuel tanks, greater range, and stability with a tag axle
We have a 2005 winnebago journey diesel pusher we like the quality of the diesel vs gas. Beware when you get a diesel make sure you get the generator with a slide out or your looking at major bucks to repair it
Great video, Izzy and MJ. Yes, you get more room and storage, plus a more powerful engine. 👏
Agreed
I have a new bounder 35k, and I am full timing. After having it for a few months, I now realize I should have gotten a diesel pusher. I'll pay the extra for fuel and upkeep in return for more storage and able to pull the car vs wife following because it's too heavy to pull...second thought it is more peaceful.
Team diesel,
All true statements, some manufacturers are higher end than others. Resale is huge, I don't think you would ever have an issue selling one either, no matter the age someone is looking to upgrade from gas to diesel at every price level.
Great video guys, safe travels
We love our Super C with Ford Powerstroke. The only diesel negative I can come up with are emission control components. It’s a plague to recent Cummins. During this Christmas cold snap we had a DEF tank heater issue.
All this being said: IM ALL DIESEL
I agree with what you said about diesels, but it still comes down to cost. A lot of people simply can’t afford one.
Diesel 100% The power/torque is unbeatable.. I owned a diesel Passat and loved it.. That one motorhome looked like yall were inside a hotel in downtown NY!
Great topic. After I eliminated new, eliminated Nexus (new), we’ve settled our searches primarily on pre-emissions Country Coach. As I near retirement I do have time to do a thorough search. Thanks to you nice folks and a few others, we feel we are getting the most up to date info. Thank you again and Stay SAFE!
I had a gas for a couple of years. Traded it for a pusher glad I did. Much more room and was nice and quite.
Hi guys!! We walked into several diesel pushers and gas platforms at the show and there is a huge difference between them. In a diesel you get the bigger air breaks but more importantly is engine breaking which greatly reduces the stress put on the physical brakes. I guess i would have to say we are team gas right now because we tow our 5th wheel with a gas dually lol!! Safe travels!
Full timing in Newmar Canyon Star 3953. Love it! Hubby can't stand up in area over rear engine cause he's too tall so our gasser has our perfect floorplan with bath and half and full height ceiling everywhere.
I have snap pads on my Winnebago 2108 travel trailer on all four stabilizer jacks. I changed out the tongue jack out to 9” round adjustable foot and put a 9” round snap pad on it. Diesel pushers are great if you can afford it. I full time in a 22 1/2 foot travel trailer. There’s a big difference between what you need and what you want. Myself, I’m pretty much a minimalist so I’m fine with my setup.
Team Diesel, love mine got really lucky when I bought mine used. It has been great, love it.
More reasons for diesel pushers: 1) ability to dump air from bags to lower coach at site, 2)engine brakes make for much safer steep long downhill runs, 3) no drive shaft from front to back to interfere with storage space (unlike a Super C). But, some disadvantages: 1) first thing to arrive on scene of an accident will be your feet, which are only inches from the front, 2) availability of maintenance or repair facilities willing to work on engine buried under bedroom or rear bath (Super C wins here).
We considered both but decided on a diesel. Just bought our first new to us 2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G and will be full time soon!
Team diesel, towing capacity. We are in a super C and i can do most of the routine maintenance myself
Team Diesel for sure after having two truck campers we stepped up to 40 foot American Eagle
Thanks for sharing
You are spot on. We went from a gas motorhome to a DP and loved it. We have just traded her for a B van. At this time in our lives we are wanting more flexibility with our travel. However I know we will miss all the amenities our coach had. She was a beauty!
Another great video, as usual. Thanks
One thing that comes to mind is because diesel pushers have air ride suspension do you need a Z license to drive it because of the air ride suspension......... the same as a tractor trailer driver ?
Diesel all the way! We moved up to a diesel so that we could get a washer/dryer in the unit. Plus the quiet air ride....once I drove it I couldn't get it out of my head. Its so much more comfortable and quiet than our previous gas unit.
yes I have to agree. I have a 2003 American eagle. and yes it does have a lot more Torgue. I have a huge 150 gallon fuel tank. and one of the best features on my model are the heated floors.👍
Team diesel, Newmar New Aire. No offense but the class A gassers are more like drivable travel trailers. While the gassers are less expensive, they are also less in every other way. Not going to spend a couple hundred thousand on a drivable trailer when you could have something better for a little more money, and like you said because a diesel will hold a little better value, that all works out in the end. So while gas prices might be less than diesel, I believe the cost difference works out to be the same over the long run, btw I have nothing to base that on other than word of mouth. For you guys, that would make a great video when you do get your diesel, a cost comparison over the short run (first year) and longer run (2, 3, 4, and 5 years); I'd be very interested in seeing the difference to see if we made a good choice by going straight to diesel. Hope to one day see you on the road!!
We’ve owned both, towed w both. For me, the exhaust braking when towing downhill, like recently driving down The Rockies , wow! Super easy and I could feel that power of the diesel exhaust stopping me not having to use the brakes. Exhaust brakes are not engine “Jake” brakes like on big rigs but as a person who grew up on trucks, I don’t feel the difference between the 2. AND you don’t get the noise w exhaust brakes on RVs like the engine brakes on big rigs. Soooo if you’re towing something with significant weight, we tow a 8000lb boat or a 7000lb Hummer, you can only get the confidence of stopping power w a diesel… imo 🤓
I hope to see you at the show. Talk to you later
Team Diesel for sure and I agree with all your points. Great video!
We LOVE our Bay Star 2901; it fits into almost any spot and is easy to drive. 30' is our max and State, National, Local Parks have limits and thats were we camp!!!! Besides, compared to many people campers around us, we are in complete luxury and I would kinda like to "fit in" amongst other campers, so diesel is really not for us! Beautiful to look at but we are not ready and may never be!
We have a beautiful diesal motorhome that we love, but we went from Southern California to Montana (visited Yellowstone and Bryce Canyon National Parks in September 22 and we spent $1600.00 in diesal fuel alone. It was the most expensive vacation. We were missing our very first RV, a tiny 17 ft travel trailer. LOL!
I would go diesel. Diesel all the way! I can’t wait to see what you will be getting for you next Rv. I love your Nelli! She’s a beautiful Class A. I’ll be happy for with whatever you pick.
I don't like the front bus-style entry doors on most diesels. You lose passenger seating things like a workstation usually. And if you have an overhead bunk that's problematic. Mid-entry is ok.
As folks in the business say, I'm sure you probaby know him but he seems like a pretty straight forward man. But the big difference in diesel and gas is price and ride quality. But he says if your a weekend warrior and just getting out the. It's hard to justify that kind of money for diesel just for weekends but if your full timing it? You will likely be glad you did.
Diesel Pushers. For those who don't feel they spend enough on maintenance. The easiest way to turn a $50 oil change into a $200 oil change.
Diesel probably has more range on the same tank size also. One other drawback though is that diesel is loud and smelly from the outside.
Absolutely diesel pusher if we can ever find a great deal on a used one when we retire. Great information as always, thank you.
You had a Thor Tuscany and it was great, very few issues. FYI: RV Snap Pads did not fit our jacks.
Team Diesel for us. We have had it all and the rig prior now was a Tiffin 32SA gas rig (2019). Loved the layout and storage, but the ride was horrendous. After our last big trip, we decided to go diesel and got a used 2017 Tiffin 33AA. Love the rig and at 35’, fits pretty much allows us to go anywhere we want to go. Once you start to get the 40’ + rigs, really start getting limited on where you can stay. The only thing I wish we had more of on our RED is storage in the bay.
We love our 2015 Newmar London Aire. Tons of space and 600hp. Too bad snap pad doesn’t make pads for our rear jacks.
Even with my teeny tiny Class B, I appreciate the power, handling and great mileage (22 MPG) of my Diesel chassis. BUT…I’m finding it’s harder and harder to find the ultra low sulfur diesel my Mercedes Sprinter demands. Some techs will tell you certain kinds of renewable diesel is okay for the engine but not biodiesel. Maybe it’s the kind of RVing I do (lots of deserts and wide open empty spaces), but I’m spending most of my trip planning working out where I can fuel up rather than planning hikes and sightseeing. Something to consider.
To me a 40FT Dutch Star is the ideal size pusher. It is not a giant coach, but you do get the tag axle which doubles your cargo capacity
All correct, but of course for every plus, there's a minus. I'm too tall to stand up in a rear bath dp so I'm very happy with my canyon star gasser.
Diesel is the only way to go. More up front cost, higher return when selling. Up the mountains ⛰, down the mountains ⛰ with exhaust brake better function. Larger fuel tank, longer range. Just went 800 miles on one tank. Out in Wyoming after 9/15 places close up. Don't run diesel out of fuel. Had to drive 2 more towns to find diesel. The plus when I get good price, I fill up and can save $50-100 on tank of fuel. Cummins guy. Get engine that truckers use for repair shops. Jump in, I'm on my 6th diesel, learn as you go. Fuel filters, a must! Happy trails.
The diesel generators are so much quieter these days. Myv12.5k diesel one was quieter than the much smaller gas one in the gas Class A that was camped next to us. As Big Truck, Big RV said, "You pay more for a diesel up front but you get more on the back end". I am a huge fan of diesels in a motorhome, not as much in a truck unless you're hauling a lot of weight. We're debating over our next one because the DW wants to downsize while I'm leaning toward a Foretravel Realm Presidential with the bunks for grandkids. I like my comfort.
we are upgrading to a diesel from gas also thank you
Diésel is the way to go my favorite thing is when you have to fill your tank
I have a gas and it’s awful to get on gas stations can wait till next year
I'm Team Foretravel. '97 U320 - 450 hp Cummins. What mountain? Didn't notice it. Lol.
Will you change your mind when diesel hits 11 to $15 a gallon this summer
You’re on the money…I’ll always have diesel and currently it’s a Entegra Accolade which i really love. The ride is good, it tows great; but you hear the diesel, which you get used to.
As much as I like Class A cuz of the room inside, when its time for us, it will be a Class C but Diesel for sure. Just having that Torque/Towing and longer range of Diesel fuel in my opinion, is more value than a gas engine. Great video explaining the difference guys, helps a lot!
We learned two lessons when trading from our 2020 Winnebago Adventurer 30T (31’) to a 2022 Dutch Star 3709 (38’). I was so excited about going from ~1500 lbs of ccc to ~4000 lbs…then realized I have LESS effective cabinet storage due to shallow under bed area and the famous Newmar head rail that eats half of the cabinet space fown one side of the rug. The basement storage is really not any more than our gasser…maybe that’s the Oasis system in the all-electric eating up space. Second, we didn’t realize the stock hitch on the DS is 5,000 lbs…so yes, it can tow 10k but we will need to change that out when we’re ready to change our toad.
All that said, we absolutely agree that especially for FT, if you want a class a, go diesel. Quieter ride, quieter interior, even quieter when you need to be on generator (our gasser Onan was under the bed!).
And last but not least…thanks for signing my hat in Tampa! 🤗
Great meeting you in Tampa
I totally agree with you guys
Good video!! I agree with you about gas vs diesel motorhomes. I have a gas but would love a diesel. I would buy used ,per def
Personally I think you are doing the right thing by going over to diesel but for one consideration. The carbon emissions are far greater than gas emissions. There’s a lot of work going on to alter this but as yet we all need to consider this. Solar panels are one way of reducing your emissions and I hope you will consider this. Personally I’d go for diesel but try everything to offset the emissions. As you say they have a much longer life expectancy than gas. You also can expect more mpg than in a gas RV and less issues. Most of Europe is now diesel and mechanic’s are well trained to service and repair any engine issues.
Keep us posted please 😎💕💫
Having a motorhome and being green don’t go hand in hand lol.
@@EndlessRVing If that were true I wonder why the manufacturers are all working on electric ⚡️ alternative fuels to increase the mileage expediently whilst decreasing carbon emissions? They have made major breakthroughs with trucks.
Love the video, 100% for most timing a diesel is the way to go. We love the Dutch Star and the Renegade. Not sure what the next one we be yet. I have 5 years to retire...
God only knows what our next one will be. We go back and forth on the daily. 😂 5 years will fly by!
❤ MJ & Izzy (although he does interrupt often).
If you like to boondock/state/nation park, its harder to balance a DP to fit that. Just my 2c, the only ones I would consider are the older Country Coach/Monaco ect models. If you need it, you can't beat that power and luxury on newer units though.
I see all those things you just dropped as only available in diesel rv's in gas rv's all the time on these shows...heated floors, etc. I don't get how can you say one is better than the other when the same options are available across both rv forms. That model did look really nice & roomy though. Thanks.
I am a big fan of diesel motor homes mainly because of their power and relative reliability.
Our next rig will be a diesel. But we are thinking a super C on a freighliner chassis. I just feel safer having the engine in front in the event of a collision. But I know that a pusher is a much better ride and very luxurious 😍
I have a Super C and love it for that reason and also more escape options in case of emergency.
@@scrappersdream Can you hold a normal conversation and hear music when driving the Super C?
@@JenParillo
Yes.
My wife is very comfortable doing half the driving.
All it takes is money. Not just to buy it, but for insurance, registration, maintenance and operating costs too. We're domiciled in Louisiana where the sales tax is 10%. That means a $400k MH would cost $40,000 in taxes just to register it (plus title, license and renewals, of course.) We were able to buy our used, well maintained 36ft National Tropical gasser with only 28k miles on it for less than 40% of just the taxes we would have had to pay on a $400k diesel MH! Then there's the dollar a gallon price difference between diesel fuel vs gas - even more in many states. So if you travel 10,000 miles a year, that's about $1,250 more your fuel will cost every year (+DEF, assuming you get the same mileage, but with twice the weight, maybe not.) And I don't want to even know what full coverage insurance costs on a $400,000 motorhome. I'm sure If someone gave me one for free, I couldn't afford the fuel, upkeep, tags and insurance.
Plus, diesels are very heavy - twice the weight of the 36ft gas MH we FT in. This is important if you like to boondock a lot like we do. The extra weight makes them easier to get stuck in pastures, on beaches, in the desert and on muddy Forest Service roads. That extra basement space makes them taller too. Most are as tall as a fiver (13ft or more). Our gasser is only 11ft 9 in so it's less apt to catch tree limbs. The first month we had ours a tree limb in FL cleaned off our WIFI antenna that was only protruding 6" above our ladder. If we were in a taller diesel MH our AC units would have been sheared off too.
But if you only travel on Interstates and major highways, avoid low bridges and stay at big rig friendly RV parks, they sure are sweet. But you know what else is sweet? Being able to retire at 62, debt free, and live this lifestyle on just our social security and a small pension. Life is good.
We are almost ready to go from our 2018 Bay Star Sport 2903 gas to a 2015 Ventana 3436 diesel. This is after 3 years (mostly real good times) in the Bay Star. Doing this primarily because of the "ride" on our last 2,400 mile trip. So much is said about the way better ride in the DP. That's great. Now that I have found one 1,700 miles away and awaiting an inspection I'm reading about all the maintenance expenses and major gas vs. diesel issues. Some of these comments make me wonder IS diesel the best choice? Especially for a guy NOT very mechanically inclined. Thoughts?
DP is certainly going to cost you more to keep on the road.
we started with a ‘17 Tiffin Open Road 32 SA (gasser) and went through the mountains with a towed-she struggled! Started to invest in equipment to improve ride on highway, but then stopped and decided to trade in for a dp. (‘17 Fleetwood Discovery 38K)
Having gone to the Tampa show, we are considering trading for another ‘20 to ‘22 dp with the driver technology and we love the girrard awnings!