Marley´s main justification for war to the eyes of the world was that Paradise broke the truce by letting someone like Eren take control over the founding titan but to be fair, Marley was the one that really broke it first (and several times): -First they willingly sent hundreds (if not thousands) of their own eldians to Paradise and transformed them into titans to devour the native eldians. That alone is an act of war and an attempt of genocide. -Eren Kruger stole the attacking titan and transferred it to Grisha Jeager to continue his mission in Paradise. Marley could think eldians from Paradise were also conspiring to steal their titans but that was outside the control of the eldian royal family so Paradise didnt do nothing wrong there (until Eren stole the warhammer titan from them). -Marley sent the expedition of Marcel, Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie with the intention of capturing the founding titan from the eldian royal family and bringing it back home. That would have left Paradise completely defendless and it would have been an easy prey for conquest by marleyan authorities. Marley had military, political and economic motivations to wage war against Paradise regardless what the eldians living there chose to do.
@@videodimension69 dude the peace treaty made by creating a fake halo was never going to last coz the hatred doesn't go away this easily n hence the marley suffered under eldia then eldia under marley n continues till one of them ceases to exist but, is it really fault of marley or the cruel king who had ymir or the next generation ppl of eldia who suppressed marley or the creature which gave ymir power... Marley had upper hand after halos peace treaty and they were also powerful due to power of titans which resulting marley in exploiting neighboring countries... This basically goes on to show power corrupt ppl n makes them misuse them perhaps the founding titan should take away thr power of titans from all 9 titans or make eldian unable to transform into titan ?? No, there will be still suffering of eldian as they is already hatred on them n they were really backward before hiruzumaki helped them n still lack many things so suffering is an endless thing n power in ppl creates suffering, sufferers seek power so that they don't suffer continuing the cycle. So, best way is to maintain a balance till war break out... Basically when the founding titan took eldians to reside in walls it was the best way unless ppl could communicate their exact emotion n everyone was more understanding of each other
Marley was conducting military operations BEFORE Eren took over - that was just a convenient excuse. They wanted the founding titan to do the rumbling against their enemies as they were afraid Titans were becoming obsolete. They wanted the resources on Paradise. They wanted to eradicate all Eldians. Kruger didn't steal the attack Titan, Marley never secured it. Marley tricked their enemies into joining them to attack Paradise, to get the founding titan to use on them.
@@Popikawaii yea, that is example of absolute power leading to disaster... As only eldians can inherit those they are a superior race than others but as shown in anime it really does depend on situation The whole point being a strong n a weak person (country in this sense) co-existing
One thing people miss is that Eren sacrificed his freedom for his people, friends and the founder Ymir. Ymir sent him a memories from the start of the show and i beleived that the time he remembers that memory was when he touched historia. That was the exact moment he knew his fate has been sealed. This is why Eren actually got piss at Armin at the table scene when Armin mentioned Eren being a slave.
That's the cruel irony of it all. Eren, whos been obsessed with his idea of 'freedom' from day 1, has been a slave to fate from the very beginning. Such a beautiful yet tragic story
@@Kev.R23 yes but at least we aren't cursed to know how our lives will play out, Eren doesn't get that luxury. From the moment he touched historias hand he knew he was fated to manipulate his own father into murdering the reiss family (including their children), to cause the death of his own mother and to cause the deaths of billions with the rumbling.
Eren is objectively right. He gave Marley many chances. They knew Paradis had The Rumbling as a trump card but they wanted beef anyway. I mean, they sent 4 of their titan shifters and only returned with 2 (Basically only Reiner returned since the Jaw titan wasn't a warrior). Marley's warriors failed but they wanted round 2 anyway. They did it to themselves.
He objectively is not. What the fuck are you talking about. Much of the last episodes show exactly why what he's doing is wrong. The "right" thing to do was go with the plan to activate a smaller rumbling and de-militarize Marley, and then impose an embargo of sorts in order to strongarm global negotiations and reach armistice and peace for Eldians. Slaughtering the entire planet was not in any way the right thing to do when the issue was largely a geopolitical strategy to attack Paradis.
The way I see it is; From the beginning, King Fritz warned the outside if they messed around with Paradis then the arsenal of titans surrounding the walls would be unleashed. The main reason for Marley infiltrating Paradis was for the metal underneath the island (and mass slaughter on the "devil's" inside the wall - like one of the marley peeps said two birds one stone) So at the end of the day, Marley brought it on themselves and Eren made good of King Fritz warning, one which they should have listened to.
I can’t understand, how can you justify killing billions because of the ignorant decision of the few. Would it be justifiable to kill off all germans after the holocaust? Even the ones supporting it. It’s quite a dangerous idea that it’s okay to kill those, who desire death to others. And also the dichotomy of “it’s either the death of all eldians, or the death of everyone beyond the walls” is false, every dichotomy is always false. Aot is a set timeline, so when Eren saw the glimpses of the future, he didn’t see all pf the versions of what could happen, he saw what will happen, as a result of his choices. It was never established that there was no solution that ensured the survival of Paradis that didn’t involve genocide. Eren’s plan to end the cycle of hatred by killing everyone outside is at its root the same, as Marley’s plan to kill all eldians, therefore ending titans and the cycle of hatred, and it’s the same as Zeke’s euthanisation plan, it’s all false. Removing people that you have a hard time not hating will not free you from hatred. It’s like Armin said “in what way are you free?”. Reiner said something once that kinda summarised my point “Eren is the last person that should have that power” Eren possessing the founder and committing global atrocity is the same as Marley possessing it and doing the same. If Armin had a founder, I believe that he would have found a way to ensure peace, at least safety for Paradis without the genocide. Even since the first season, he was always way wiser and better adjusted than Eren, and actually had a correct take and understanding of freedom
King fritz words are of a threat and had no meaning Paradise have been a natzi race from the beginning and they suddenly go in a wall saying peace out in the middle of there conquest Lol u can't blame the world for being scared and wanting to rid of them What guarantee is there for the world that they will not just simply start conquring again one day!?
@@videodimension69imagine justifying King Fritz warning after he just ended a war that ended in triple the world's population being wiped out. That's so stupid Imagine if Nazi Germany agreed to peace talks, but then threatened to kill everyone if they went to look for reprisals, and then moved to an isolated place. Does that make up for the millenia of persecution? Karl Fritz had good intentions but was a coward. He ended the war that saw up to a trillion non Eldians killed but instead of facing the consequences, he decided to move his people inside the walls and started threatening everyone else instead of building peace between the 2 countries That's not how you end conflict
Objectively Eren is right. All Marley had to do is end their beef, Eren gave them the chance. Everything that happens now can only be blamed on Marley.
You really could let go people who can transform in giant eating monsters who put you under their boot for thousands of years? That would be quite difficult. No one is wrong here, no one is right
@@xano2921 These aren't those people tho. If I get abused by my dad and vow vengeance against all abusive dads, am I justified in oppressing the good dads because they can potentially become abusive? No I'm not. Marley kinda sucks fr
@@xano2921 They have no problem with the Tybur family and they can transform too. And people on the island has no fault about what supposedly did Eldia to Marley hundreds of years ago. They are completly innocent. Even Eren Kruguer said that there is no truth in this wolrd, if Eldia opressed Marley for 1700 years, there will be no Marleyan alive...
I see both perspectives. Even though i'm rooting for Eldians, I understand why Marley wanted to control and destroy them. Both sides are justified, in my opinion.
This is not a story about good versus evil, or right versus wrong. In truth, it's a cautionary tale about the only thing hatred will ever lead to: cataclysm.
@@daeith1233 same kind of logic as hating the entire human race because of multiple criminal that murders another with a gun to sell their organ since it's high in demand in medical field
Here is the crux of the issue. The world hates the eldians for crimes committed by SOMEONE ELSE. THEIR ANCESTORS. Meanwhile every single eldian alive is a victim of current atrocities committed upon them by marley and the global alliance. Essentially, the crimes of the eldian ancestors (if they ever happened) are stories that happened to other people, while the crimes of marley and the global alliance are happening now and have impacted every single eldian alive. Hell even the last pages of the manga show that Eren made a mistake by sparing 20% of humanity.
It wasn't their ancestors though. It was literally 100 years ago. These aren't your ancestors. Those are your parents and grandparents generation. Not to mention, Eldia paid nothing for their crimes. Imagine thinking that retreating to a private island and threatening everyone else that your family hurt to stay away or die, makes up for the 2 millenia of killing and slavery that your family perpetuated across the world. 3 times the world's population was killed off by the Eldians. That isn't a light number. You expect them to just leave that especially after being told to suck it up? There's a reason why people in real life tend to be cautious of the people that harmed them earlier on in their life, regardless of whether they've changed or not The fact that you have the question if the crimes of the Eldians was real already shows your bias. So Isayama showing us flashbacks of the Marleyans oppressing Eldians is true and all but the flashbacks of the Eldians oppressing Marleyans is questionable? The last pages show that regardless of what happened, conflict would've still continued. Even if Eren completed the Rumbling, the end pages could still potentially show Paradis Island get destroyed by internal conflict. But then again, yall would just blame that on Marley too lmao
@@willisstillhere8846 that's an extreme stance imo. It was their ancestors, it was definitely not their parents generation if the events we are talking about happened over a century ago. the walls were built towards the tail end of their empire anyway, by which point the civil war had already happened, so maybe longer ago. But even then, holding people accountable for what their country or ancestors did 100 years ago is like holding someone today accountable for the events of world war 1. No matter how you string it, it makes absolutely 0 sense (which is the point anyway). it's definitely true that the eldian empire was horrible, but that obviously doesn't justify anything that the marleyan government did after the walls were built. That's literal nazi thinking (which was the point anyway). you definitely still have a point when you say that none of this just came out of nowhere though. But I don't think choosing any one side makes sense because it's not that black and white.
@@willisstillhere8846The Grandparents that are in AoT today are Children 100 years ago for like 4 years old(If there are some who are alive) so they are also completely innocent since they don't even know anything.
@@willisstillhere8846Also you can't blame the things that their ancestors do. Your statement is just like blaming the current Germans for the things Hitler and the other Nazi did. The current Eldians are completely innocent since it was their Ancestors who did the crime not their children and grandchildren. It was unfair and unjust to blame the group of people that their ancestors did. So in short, people who did the crime are already dead in the present generation.
It really is what the story is about. Being clouded by so much. What your state believes, what your government teaches you, what you learn yourself. Hatred of the past, ignorance to the facts, corruption, the human condition. We're all products of our environment. Another quote I like is "a person is smart, people are dumb." individuals can find reason, but the masses follow the hive mind in the end. We see AoT taking place in real life, and we stick to our ways. We're not fighting, and we won't win because of that.
This is exactly what I though during Season 4. This hits hard when you see how Russians justify their war crimes by claiming that Ukrainians are "nazis" and should be wiped out. It's propaganda in its worst.
@@justvid366 To be fair there was a faction of Nazi's with the Azov Brigade, but it was a small faction and they use it to justify it. A small amount of truth in a sea of lies. But I agree with you.
@@justvid366 Or how the US completely wiped out the Iraqi civilization because, according to them, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (spoiler, it didn't). Yet no one talks about this, nor about the infinitely horrible war crimes (or just crimes) that the US has committed on many countries, you only focus on Russia which has not done much compared to the US and you make sure that it is seen as the pure Devil like ALL westerners, which I am sure you are. You perfectly represent the kind of people that "ReplayableContent" mentioned in his comment.
Paradis: "We can't/won't Rumble." Marley: "Excellent! Now DIE and give us all your land and resources!" Paradis: "Okay, then we will/can do the Rumble" Marley: (forms Global Alliance) "OH SHIT!! Die and give us all your land and resources!" Paradis: Well...shit. RUMBLE!
Something you didnt mention, which imo makes a big difference, is that only Eldians can transform into Titans. So there's a fundamental difference between them and everyone else, and i think this would prevent anyone from being able to make peace and build trust with the Eldians. At the very least, it makes it more difficult
That is false, the royal family could have removed the titan curse at any point, they didn't. Even that wouldn't work, Zeke's plan accounted for that, even if the Eldians didn't have the titan variable anymore, they'd still be prejudiced against. Eldians don't just become titans from nothing, they must be injected with a titanshifter's spinal fluid, and this was done by Marley. Then who is at fault? Obviously the one who began the Eldian lineage, right? Are you really willing to blame the king for wanting to grow his empire? Are you really willing to blame Ymir for acquiring the titan powers and for having children?
@@Homedepotorange I wouldn't call Eldia a nation, most Eldians don't care about Eldia and just want freedom, the only ones to care about Eldia at the time of the story are the Yeagerists, and they call themselves Eldians merely for propaganda and exclude those outside of the island. Other than that, I agree.
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lol I just wished this anime would have an actual good ending because of how sad it was the entire time, how depressing all the mass murder and sacrifices were. And by good ending I mean Eren and Mikasa living together and having a good life. Seeing how she got married to another person later on kind of struck me, and when she died that was the final nail in the coffin, literally. But it was all meant to happen anyway. Most anime’s i’ve seen so far don’t have happy endings, usually all just sacrifice after sacrifice all for nothing.
Every nation outside paradise hates the innocent generation of eldians and they enjoy the thought of killing them(even before Eren killed any non-eldian civilians). Making the outside world no longer innocent, not even the civilians(who constantly wish the worst upon the eldians) of any nation. The eldians can't just lay down and die for something their ancestors(that they don't even remember) did 100+ years ago, nor can they defend themselves without bloodshed.
The young children that don't understand world politics in question: And anyway if people in the AOT world are anything like ours, tons of people will be just trying to live out their lives and not really care. We know the governments of the major nations hate them but that does not mean all the civilians do. Even regardless of that they are still civilians and are just going off what information gets to them, I don't think it's fair to say they are not innocent. To them (at least a good amount of them) it's not that they even hate the eldians, it would just be that they don't want to die themselves, just like Eren, I mean even Eren is not doing it because he thinks the rest of the world is guilty, he does not hate them, he recognizes that he is not better or worse and just "keeps going forward" or something.
It's not even civilians' fault that they hate eldians. They are fed with wrong information about their past and the world's government gaslighted them to hate Eldians telling their people that Eldians are the Devils of this world. In the end, it is the government's job to educate their people and because of this loophole, the world governments are taking advantage of their people by implementing something like a caste system where elidians living in Marley or any other nation have limited access to various necessities and luxury. People are just trying to live their lives peacefully and happily.
@@truesheltopusik1140 Nope. Even the Civilians hate Eldians not just the Gov't and you can really see that they really supported Paradis Genocide. This is the reason why Eren is justified in killing the Gov't officials, Military, and Civilians.
They are still innocent, you completely ignore why this "hatred", which is actually mostly contempt and disgust, exists. Furthermore, what about the children and babies? And what about the Eldians themselves who lived in Mahr? Sorry to tell you this, but you don't stomp on people with a colossal Titan because they hates you.
Marley knew from the beggining that the Eldians that went to the Island had the potential weapon of the Rumbling. King Fritz warned them before going there. If they leave the island, there will be no war. *Marley tries to steal the founding titan because they are running out of fuel and because they are stupid* *Rumbling starts* Marley: "Surprised Pikachu face" Who in their right mind is going to attack an Island that has the potential to kill the entire fucking world?! They thought: "Meh, they are probably lying LOL"
I still think Paradis and Eren were right to do what they did, attacking a country out of greed and with capabilities to wipe the world along with you (which they did warn this would happen) and them ignoring this warning is fair game to the world
Maybe killing everyone is for the best? No more wars and conflict, eren achieved a dream where no more suffering and chaos.. by eliminating everyone and then he sits beside a tree and await his impending doom.
Something I feel like a lot of people don't seem to understand is that "Marley", as in the Marley officials/government declaring war and getting all the other nations on board is not the same as every civilian in the world actively trying to kill the Eldians. If the AOT world is anything like our own, I'm sure there are tons not actively against Paradis, for example young children. Eren killing the rest of the world and the rest of the world killing Paradis are the same, killing tons of innocent people for things that they had not control over due to fear that the other side will wipe them out if they do not take this action. Even Eren knows that he is the same as them so idk why so many people seem to miss this.
I agree, but it begs the question what were those civilians in their respective countries doing all this time, while their leaders were getting on board with a nation that has exercised economic, political and military dominance over their countries? We all know there are innocents, like you mentioned, children. But it was so frighteningly obvious that Marley wanted more weapons of mass destruction, a.k.a. the founding titan (eren), and the resources on Paradis to continue on their path to Global hegemony. Yet other nations that have also either have been to war with or colonized by Marley chose to join the coalition (like, whaaaaaat). Where is the protest??? I feel like that is what is missing from the show. I feel like there is no way that masses of people all over the world would not protest their governments involvement, because I certaintly would. Every civilian does not deserve to die, I mean I would be pissed and scared AF if I knew I was going to be squashed to death by a titan, BUT a piece of me would understand how we arrived in these circumstances. I'm just saying there is no doubt this would be the biggest world news globally, and at this point I'm sure many people across the world, including other nations that are not participating in the coalition, would know about the titan situation, Paradis, etc. I just think more could have been done, you know before Erin activated the rumbling. Its truly a shame, but honestly if I was a citizen of Paradis I can't say that I wouldn't be a jaegerist.
Even the association for the protection of eldian (or whatever that was called), that you'd think would be the one group that cared, was using Paradis as a scapegoat
Eren wants to end the cycle of hatred,, if u look at it, Eren was just some innocent kids that got caught on the Assault of the wall ,, but because of hatred and vengeance he became what he is now,, so when people said " Eren should've just attacked the military and the government and leave the innocent alone " well those government and military have families and relatives a.k.a the innocent people,, when they finds out Eren killed their families ( military/govt) the hatred will continues
@@88s68 I'm not saying what Eren should or should not have done, I'm saying he's the same as his opposing side(something he himself acknowledges), so I don't agree with how some people say the rest of the world "deserved it" or something(not u specifically, just I often see comments like that). Like u can say that he wants to end the cycle, but you can say the same thing about many of the people wanting to destroy Paradis. One of them needed to go, they just both wanted it to be the other side obviously, hence why they are one and the same.
@@truesheltopusik1140 well that's kinda true,, there is no wrong or right just like Eren kruger said ,anyone can become the devil or the good guys,, depends on who u are in that situation,, if you are a paradis island citizens you would support eren knowing the world wants you dead,, if you are a Marleyan you would hate eren,, basically it is a war ,, who is stronger wins,, and you can't be crying if you lose and start saying the other side isn't fair
Blame the author then. This is the story he wrote and he gave Eren no choice. If you think Eren was wrong you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians. Isayama is at fault for writing a Fascist story.
@@r.k845 "if you think Eren was wrong, you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians" That's a dumb take. Isayama was writing an anti-facist story, otherwise he wouldn't have invested so much story development on Armin's group It's not that Eren had no choice, it's rather that he chose wrong. Hell, in a sense he may not have had a choice because he was partially brainwashed by Ymir and the founding WHICH STILL MAKES HIM WRONG. You have such a reductive take on the situation.
@@potatoesblink3299 The authors intentions are irrelevant to the actual story told. An author can write a story about how 2+2 equals 5 but if the actual narrative supports the fact that it’s 4, it IS 4. I never said he wasn’t trying to write an anti fascist story. I agree that he definitely was. But that isn’t the actual reality of what he wrote.
@@r.k845 imo the reality is that a lot of the loud viewers are watching this show without thinking. Or rather have a reductive take (kinda like what you said about the whole anti Eren = pro Paradis genocide thing) It's an anime show, so they default to a monkey brain mindset like they would a typical harem or shonen show because deep nuance isn't always expected In this medium nowadays. I'm not saying anime doesn't have it, but mainstream anime the past decade has been predominantly straightforward. It's not like the mindset someone would usually make when watching something like The boys, Breaking bad or Game of thrones where detecting nuance is part of the experience. I think Isayama was clear in what he wanted to say. And I even had discussions with a couple of creative writing university grads about this. So it's not that he wrote = 4, it's just that the loudest part of the fan base can only comprehend the = 4 part and not the actual= 5 It's weird cuz every person I know IRL understood that Eren was wrong (except for one guy, but he was one of those people who knew reduced everything to black and white). Others have stated fairly, it's ok , it's just a show and that we should let people identify with a genocidal terrorist who kills babies because it's not real. While that is true, it still doesn't prove that Eren's acts are justified within the scope of the narrative
I hear the position that there are no villains or heroes, no side clearly in the right or the wrong. but I believe both sides are in the wrong; the people of Marley and Eren's faction are both villains in my book because they are BOTH willing to sacrifice innocents. I definitely agree that neither side is in the right but I truly think both sides are in the wrong too.
Nah, Paradis is objectively in the right no matter how you look at it. Marley attacked first, has been attacking first, and declares war after failing multiple times despite the warnings of the previous founder. We also have the benefit of foresight and know that there is no alternative. Paradis defends itself or dies. There is no grey.
@@Red-vj3ww This is a very incorrect take in my opinion. If you want to use "who attacked first" argument, then we can go back to the original Eldian king with Ymir. In the scope of the show, the Eldians attacked and oppressed Marley first. At the end of the day, I don't think who attacked first matters at all. Both Marley and Eldia are the same and throughout history, whoever is the stronger at that point of time oppresses the other, it's just a vicious cycle. Looking at the state of Paradis right now, we can see that the people there are very ready to perpetuate this cycle by being the oppressors when the rumbling succeeds. The Eldians really aren't much better than the Marleyans. As a viewer we see evidence that people from both sides can change. The whole point of Gabi and Kaya's character arc was to show genuine human connection and understanding is possible with one another. The 50 year plan with the partial rumbling is a very legitimate alternative that could lead to a peaceful solution.
Eren went to Marley to see if there was another way to not do the rumbling. (He has seen he's own future and saw that it will happen) but when he realized that all the other nations declared war only to the Eldians in the island he decided that there was no other way. If Eren did not start the Rumbling, Marley would have taken control of the Founding Titan and exterminate every last person on the Island. You can say Eren went to far killing all of the outside world instead of going only for Marley, I can accept that but if you can name other plan I will be ok to listen what you think.
@@lynesaurus You are wrong about there. There is no wrong in protecting and securing the future of your families, friends and people. Besides Matley did this to themselves. Even Marleyan Civilians are not innocents either. They also support the genocide of Paradis people. Saying Paradis was in the wrong is like saying a victim of kidnapping was in the wrong since they killed their kidnappers. That is why Paradis people are in the right and Marley and the rest of the world are in the wrong.
Erren is a villain because he is an extremist. He chooses to kill the whole world to save Paradis whereas there were good tactical options to save Paradis without destroying the world. He could produce a limited rumbling to destroy the UN fleet. That would have been enough. And he could threaten to produce more limited rumblings after that without ever needing to do so. That was the best plan of action and would have killed only enemy military personel.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes they would have just killed themselves afterwards. say that marley was to get their hands on what they were looking for. you don't think that they'd get power hungry and go after more territory and more land BECAUSE of how much power they now possess? nobody wants to think about the longevity of things. but with eren doing what he did, and titans being eradicated from the world, nobody has access to that said divine power anymore. sure war would probably continue, but not from a place of absolute devastation. marley in totality were all for and only for themselves and it'd be a matter of time before that same oppression continued. if i was eren i would've done the same thing with no hesitation. those people came and destroyed my home and let it be known loud and clear that they weren't going to stop until they were back in the possession of something that wasn't even rightfully theirs in the first place. no thanks.
First attack in 845: Strike one for marley Second attack in 850: Strike two for marley They find out they have been puting titans on the island so the people in the walls: Strike 3 for marley Litrealy declears war on paridis despite knowing they can trigger the rumbling: Strike 4 for marley Goes in to kill everyone in the walls to prevent them from triggering the rumbling: Strike 5 for marley Makes people kill their own freinds: Strike 6 for marley Marley when eren actualy decides to activate the rumbling to defend his homeland killing everyone: 😯😯😯 MARLEY EREN GAVE YOU SO MANY CHANCES, AND YOU THREW THEM ALL AWAY
King Fritz is imo the most unambiguously evil character in this series. His sheer greed and lust for power started the injustice and oppression against future Eldin generations.
Theres quite a few errors in this, which are fairly relevant. As you have stated this is based purely on anime I'll put the points across as such because whilst I've had a few spoilers off the manga i haven't read it so i can't argue effectively from that pov. - Its not been thousands of years since the formation of the island city of paradis. Its been little over a century. Its been thousands (two thousandish to be precise...ish) since the emergence of the founder Ymir. This is relevant as the fear and hate in absolutely insane and irrational if they have not been a threat for 1000s of years, but less so when there are going to be older members of the ruling class in Marley who's parents recounted first hand horrors of the Eldians. - Eren does not see the future when he kisses Historia's hand. At least, not the way that you put it here. He states that he saw some more of his fathers memories. One of them was of his father failing to kill the ruling family and his future self intervening to force him too. Its not confirmed what other memories of his father he sees at this time, but he specifically states it was some of his fathers memories that were unlocked. If we are strictly sticking to what is known in the anime, then at NO point has it ever been said that Eren is able to see the future in the way you are saying here. He has merely been said to be able to see some memories attack titans, past present and future. When he goes to the paths with Zeke, he is then able to have some kind of control over which memories he sees (although it not entirely clear if its Eren and is suggested its all Zeke, given what we see I suspect Zeke starts the viewing process and Eren highjacks it part way) and obviously shows he is able to use his presence in those memories to manipulate events, due to the time being weird in the paths. Eren comes to conclusion the Marley is going to wipe Paradis of the face of earth based on the evidence they have presented themselves that they will do just that. He saw the hatred when they went across the sea. They made a declaration of war to do so. He saw what Annie and Reiner and Bert were prepared to do. There was another way aside from the Rumbling. But it would have meant sacrificing Historia. And he wasn't prepared to do that. Despite the fact Historia was fine with it, which is where it gets a bit iffy in my view. Whilst I understand him not wanting to force that situation onto her because shes his friend and he cares for her... it is her decision. And he unilaterally decides to go against that and flatten the world. Eren has shown many, many times that he is .... frankly not mentally stable. His far, far to EAGER to kill. I understand the want for revenge. I understand killing because there is no other choice. But Eren.... Eren enjoys it. He has never, ever shown any regret, any remorse over killing. Only his lack of killing. As Armin says... "Always with the killing." Ultimately, I think whilst you can sit there and make arguments for why what his doing could be justified... I don't think it matter to Eren. Ultimately, I think his doing what his doing because he wants too.
the only sane comment in this section smh. people just lost sight of who eren truly is. a complete sociopathic maniac who kills because it envigorates him. it isnt simply because he had no choice. no, if they think hard enough, theres alwasy AL-FUCKING-WAYS a way to avoid genocide. you might not be able to avoid killing someone, but to kill everyone? thats not even should be considered. i think these people are really short sighted. it could possibly lead to very very dangerous behaviour in case the world is actually having another real conflict
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My observation is Eren is the villain as well. Its mind boggling when I realized this..took me a while to watch it a couple of times. A villain that is suffering... Erens burden is very heavy he choose to become it. Because the world decided to let it's hatred flow.
Two thumbs up great video. Personally I don’t see how this character controversial and in the case of Eren it is just black and white. Eren was originally a “good” character that turned evil by the end of his story arc making the cicle complete.
"Justify" seems like the wrong word to describe it, Eren himself admits he knows the world is full of good people who don't deserve what he is going to do, and while he has the power to limit his destruction to just those who oppress them (and other nations) as it was Armin's original plan, he doesn't care
"He doesnt care" "Eren admitted he knows that there are those who don't deserve to die" So... that means... Eren is wrong... And fighting against him was the right thing to do
@@potatoesblink3299 never said HE was right or wrong, anyways the ending just turned everything into "it didn't matter anyways because he KNEW they would fight him (and apparently the manga itself says that while he WANTED to be stopped and have them as heroes, he would also be satisfied if he killed everyone)"
Let's not act like if Marley did get the Founding titan they'd leave paradis alone. They'd do exactly what the old eldian empire did knowing that they have all the power
This is proof that the words eren krueger spoke to grisha became a mantra for eren. You must push forward until the price of your sins are paid. This is the crux of his justification for world genocide.
Willy literally stated that the goal of the war he declared was the eradication of the island devils. Marley has already eradicated 25% during their prior incursion. Do you need any more proof?
@@AsymmetricalCrimes what you just said is extremely stupid. At the time Willy declared war paradise was only fighting on it's own soil against an invader who killed 25% of their people. After that the islanders tried everything diplomatic to prevent the invasion of the island precisely because they didn't want a war. Marley declared an extermination war supported by the entire world and then are surprised when the island defends itself by the only means they have. What "the island devils" were supposed to do exactly? Just die? Have you considered not being a massive hypocrite? The first argument against the rumbling is "genocide just bad, nothing else matters" and then you actively support it when it happens to the islanders. You aren't the moral ones, you are just extremely racist against eldians, that's it.
@@fgkuv5232 i wonder why it's so hard for people to understand this concept. people are so against the rumbling which in turns means they were perfectly fine with paradisians being wiped off the face of the earth. and then you have fence sitters who say that maybe there was another way, yet if there was it would have never gotten to the point of the rumbling in the first place. the king even incorporated his own ideals into the power so that nobody later on would abuse said power should be more than enough evidence that these eldians didn't want anymore problems. sure that created a heirarchy system within the walls but thats easily more feasible than the idea of eradicating an entire nation simply because you want something that never even belonged to you in the first place.
@@perpetually. it's just because isayama wanted eren to become an antagonist by the end of the story, but has written himself into a corner. Then to escape it he had to fool the audience into believing literal marlean propaganda. Some susceptible ones feel for it, despite seeing proof it's wrong with their own eyes. Those people are probably the same ones that believe Russia is a dirt-poor totalitarian state, or that Ukraine was planning to invade Russia and Belarus before the war was started. Both is obviously propaganda, but people on either side of the war believe it, despite all of it being bullshit
When my mom and I finally got to watch all of season 4 in one go (because we refused to wait in-between breaks), we both came to the same conclusion that Marley's hatred towards the Eldians was mostly just a bunch of "he said, she said" propaganda and they were indoctrinated with this hatred for centuries. And you just can't change centuries worth of brainwashed baggage with simple diplomatic solutions. As far as Eren was concerned, diplomacy was thrown out the window the day they sent Bertholdt to kick a hole into Shinganshina. So, the Rumbling was the only solution they had left to end this bullshit once and for all.
@@videodimension69 Well Jaw Titan Ymir didn't have much of a role after she went with the other shifters to the Marlayan base camp. I suspect future Eren messed with her memories to make her think she owed certain shifters her life. If the shifters had not brought back the jaw Titan we would have seen a new Armored and Colossal Titan instead just a new jaw Titan.
I find media interesting because you will always have people who will sincerely justify the unjustifiable. You will have people arguing why the legion is actually good in F:NV, and you will have people arguing that genociding the entire planet is good actually. Its really fascinating.
Genocide is never justified. I've already explained what he could have done in a reply to another comment, but destroying 75% of the planet's population was never the right thing to do, ever, regardless of circumstances, and to attempt to justify that genocide is an "ends justify the means" of the most ignorant caliber.
Cant find you're other comment but u gotta take in mind. Eren saw the future, he saw all possible outcomes. And this was the only one where his people lived. So i don't really see what u Mean by other choice.
well we got many characters guilty of genocide in the story, like the warriors for instance. The story made it clear they are just as monstrous as Eren, and he didn't even turn out to be a monster in the end, but the hero of the story. May I also add that he tried other methods first, but Marley and the world wouldn't have it any other way other than genociding his home, and the ending made that clear. May I also add that the only people talking about how the story "justified genocide" are the anti-Eren people after 139.5 dropped?
i hate this that people really think that eren had no choice... he should buy island some time by destroying ships and try to negotiate with other countrys outside of marly... give others time to uderstand that people from island are not devils etc... no genocide was never an option for me... even when evey politics say that island should be destroyed that dosnt mean that every person think that
@@1chibanKasuga i mean yes... i uderstand that eren didnt want to do this but i cant imagine killing few billions people myself for this reason. Few billions as innocent as eldian are... and we dont really know how many of this people really hate us and thats what is bothering me in this decision.
@@xdudekx13 i get what you're saying and thats the true conflict of nature. but at the same time, destruction is just as important as creation. by destroying the very thing looking to only destroy even more, eren opened a door for new life to be placed on a planet that is no longer bound by any tug of war regarding power. nobody can go to war with anybody if only 1% fo the population is left. no more nukes and powerful weapons. no more titans to oppress any group of people. just the people that are left to then rebuild and maybe start a completely new way of life. for that is the process of destruction and creation. one cannot come without the other. it's just unfortunate that this wave of destruction was so tragic in the way that it happened.
Wait, there are actually people who say eren is right to start a GENOCIDE??? I mean, he could be the most misery person on earth, but make a genocide is definitely not the right thing to do Oh, i'm talking more about the people of the comments.
You're damn right I think he was and the only problem I have is that he didn't go far enough and allowed his friends to be a stopgap. The people of Marley wanted their extinction and there was a system in place that fed off of it as Willy Tybur declaring war was okay with them. The only ally they had was a nation that was only at the table for their natural resources. Their position in the world at large was absolutely untenable so yes I do think that given the circumstances, it was more than justified. For me, personally, I would've done the same thing and more.
@@Yellow_-if2gu I wouldn't call myself truly an Eren fan personally. I just happen to agree with him so please cut your self-love patronizing. His situation is extreme; not something that I ever hope wind up in ever, but I'd want to keep safe what I hold dear at all costs. If pulling the killswitch on the world is what it would lead to, than I see no reason for myself personally to abstain from it.
@@anthonyschlott916 look, I'm not going to extend this conversation for too long, but i have a single last comment. Eren: oh no, they are causing misery to me and my friends, I think the only solution for this is to cause misery to everyone, including innocent people and my own friends. In the end, Eren says he did that for his friends and allies, but his allies' goal was to LIVE in peace, as far as I know, when you kill someone, that person doesn't LIVE in peace. I think he only did this omnicide because he was mentaly tired, so to not commit suicide alone, he decided to end the world just because he have the power and because he was clearly crazy
Guys, this is exactly what happened with hamas when he attacked Israel, can you guys relate? They saw from the beginning how Israel keep on attacking and killing the innocent civilians of Palestine. This hatred grew and grew and a group of militant was formed named hamas, like in this show yeagerist. Just try to relate it.
you won't believe how nowadays malaysian i met still hating USA for doing that, they only get the result after the bombs but not the history leading to that bombs, well just like some wise man said "if you don't know your history, noting would save you" if not for USA, my generation would still be at war fighting against the japanese instead living of my peaceful life.
Its more like if after Pearl Harbor an OP idiot decided to kill the US president, then nuke the entire world including the allies in Europe. I have no idea why Eren pulled a coup when his plan was to do a partial rumbling just like Pixis. He poisoned his own country's military, killed Levi's Squad, and had Zachary and Pixis killed for no reason. He also destroyed the Titans powers and all the walls killing his own people's only edges. I mean they were planning a partial rumbling just like him. Like Roosevelt was going to fight Germany/Japan but like freaking kill everyone. But I guess Eren deciding his friends living it up like the Tybers and his stupid blank empty world fantasy was worth it.
@@ergob3907 they wanted his founding titan after his showing in liberio that’s why. He refers to them as corrupt. Remember when they put him in a prison cell
Stopping Eren was the wrong move. The hatred of Eldians / Paradis was never going to stop. You see this failure when time flies and Paradis is literally being bombed and destroyed. Their civilization is wiped out and the remnants of cities remain with plant overgrowth. Because there's nobody left to rebuild. They're wiped out.
Isaya wrote Eren, being a totally normal person (unlike many other anime protagonists who have super powers) So that he let us understand that everyone of us could be that demon, even the kindest persons among us (if the right conditions are met, it’s not easy but not impossible) and the we might make horrible decisions involving others’ suffering without enjoying others’ suffering but justifying it. And this might not happen at a titanic and global scale like Eren, but in a tiny, almost unperceiveable way in our daily lives. Just like Niccolo said, there’s a demon within him (for trying to kill a kid but also for previously agreeing with the world about hating eldians) and inside of us too. We might believe we are heroes in our own lives but for others, we could’ve been monsters. But Eren didn’t have a choice. The world of attack of titan did have it (but still chose to keep on hating) So we too have the choice, whether we choose ignorance and hatred repeating the cycle of hatred or we can cut loose this cycle by forgiving those who do wrong to us, by choosing not to prioritize our commodities when it means that others will have to pay for it (common example: you are making a lot of efforts in your job to be ascended when a collegue gets that what you wanted by cheating or by inflaming you, so you are burning inside for revenge : here is where you decide whether we continue the cycle or stop it and we do have a choice unlike Eren)
@@videodimension69 they had other choices to prevent the genocide of either side, it wasn't only Eren the one with a plan, the scouts had plans too, and you're treating the story as if it was only Eren's plan or die, they had time to try other plans, the one that didn't had time was Eren, but that doesn't justify genocide
Eren did nothing wrong. They didn't have to hate him, they didn't have to hate his people, they didn't have to try to kill him or his, but they did, so he defended himself.
Marley KNEW what Eren was capable of, did that stop them? Nope, they decided to doom the entire world and almost every country sided with Marley, all this blood is on Marley’s hands.
@@Namae-jpn Bro Paradis conquered Marley first thousands of years ago using titans. I would have wiped them out too. Why would you want to live on a planet with a race of people that could end the world whenever they felt like it?
@@ashtheintrovert I do agree with you but he can be considered a monster that's the point I'm making he became what he became to protect his people and here's a better metaphor if you were those people getting killed by him you would probably call him a monster to
can't believe some people here think Eren can justify his actions. if you think Eren is a good guy, then you haven't paid attention. the show literally gave insights into his character from a young age he is already violent and have killer instincts - not a peace loving or calm person. one shouldn't be surprised that he thought killing and destroying the world is the right thing to do. that demonstrates he is only thinking of his own needs and don't care for the greater good
Isayama literally thinks he's a good guy 👽 And it is true that Eren is extremely violent, but it was always in the name of defense, except for when Armin started talking, but who wouldn't get aggressive if Armin started talking 🤡🏳️
the greater good was literally achieved though? bro ended the world yes, but he also eradicated titans for eternity and now they NEVER have to worry about it again. no more power struggles and no more oppression over silly lightning transformation powers. people can live as they want and do what they want without being judge simply because of the blood coursing through their veins. even if they had stopped eren and even if marley got their hands on the founding titan, that doens't mean anything would have changed. paradis would still have been wiped out because regardless of who has the power they were still eldians and marley hated them. and who's to say that marley wouldn't then try to conquer other lands? there would have been no true end to the violence, and eren made the most burden heavy decision of making sure it would never be a problem again. does it suck? absolutely. was it necessary? depends on who you ask. but in the end his "selfish" needs ended up setting the world completely free from this despair that has literally lasted 1700+ years.
one, war was declared against Paradis by Marley and the rest of the world. this is nothing more than self defense/ self preservation. two, Eren only cares about his friends and he just wants to protect them-- no matter the means three, well this is just a theory but it seems like Eren is taking on the world's hatred and shouldering all that hate. making himself the common enemy for the rest of the world, so Paradis and Marley and everyone is united against Eren to unite the world to show that there are no devils, only people.
@@videodimension69 for me eren is like sasuke if sasuke didn't have naruto as a friend to stop him. sasuke also wanted to take on the world's hatred to bring peace and zeke is like itachi who thinks i'll just commit genocide against my people and that will result in peace haha
i wish theres a "what if scenario" on what will happen if all the people on paradis including the 3 military branch helped eren achieve this genocide or what will happen if the survey corps and the warriors failed to stop eren
Eren does not actually know what fate may have awaited for Paradis if he doesn't start the rumbling. He only sees a future in which he does and takes it to be the only solution. Eren had no actual idea if a smaller rumbling followed by a global truce could lead to peace. And seeing as something like that would require actions long after his remaining 4 years, he chose the Rumbling, a plan entirely within his control using his own powers.
THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION to the whole conflict between paradis and the outside world which is some of the scouts like armin eren mikasa and hange etc would meet willy tyber and discuss with him paradis's wush for peace then willy would relay their wish to the representatives of the world nations who gathered at liberio after he showed them the truth about carl fritz in the festival then hange will come out and tell the people that she is from paradis and descuss her plan for peace which is eren and historia will activate the founding titan power and unharden the walls and destroy all the wall titans in front of the world representatives at paradis then they will vow to use the founding titan power to communicate with ymir fritz at the paths and convince her to let go of the power of the titans (and the concept of her love for the 1st fritz king is stupid in and of itself) Then the paradisians are allowed to leave paradis and explore the world and the rest of eldians in internment zones are freed and this is how you end the cycle of hatered
i go by the saying of eye for an eye. they have since the beggining way past the fall of the eldians kingdom trying to kill every eldians on the island. so the only way to protect your loved one is to make sure no one can even hurt them.
You can't talk about how eren justified his choice without talking about the manga spoilers. It explains everything he thinks and explains all his actions.
The question is, What do you do if everyone else want to erradicate from existance no matter what, your people? The only solution is always a bigger menace. just like in watchmen, just like in SNK
It's not a matter of "heroes" or "villains". It's a matter of "ladylike" personality vs "Alpha Male" personality. In this show, we had only 2 people being able to use the Founding Titan's power to its full potential. That is the "Founder Ymir" and Eren. Members of the Reiss family are not included, since they were bound by the King's vow to avoid war. So, on the one hand, Ymir was the example of a "ladylike" personality: always caring about the others, even more than herself, always willing to sacrifice herself and give her life away for the well being of others (the "other" Ymir, Historia's friend, had also this exact type of personality). On the other hand, we have Eren Jaeger. The "Alpha Male" personality. Since he was a little child, even before his mother was eaten, he had revealed his true colours: at the age of nine he did not hesitate to slaughter 2 adults who threatened to steal his freedom away. That's how he had always been. His own well being, and the well being of his loved ones, above anything else. Typical example of "Alpha male" personality. (And just to avoid any misunderstandings, my personal opinion is that the world would be a far better place to live in if the nations leaders had a personality of the "ladylike" type...)
It's definetely An interesting way of look at it, al though i don't think Isayama had these things in mind when making the story. It's an interesting view
@@videodimension69 If you asked Isayama what he had in mind while he was making this story, the most probable answer you would get would be something like: "I had in mind whatever you want to think I had in mind..."
Or he could have just done Pixis' plan without poisoning his own country's police, killing his own countries leaders, Levi's squad, and crushing a bunch of civilians, because Eren ended up doing only a partial rumbling anyway. And unlike Pixis' plan, he wasn't merciful enough to resume peace talks, resulting in Paradis being wiped out anyway. Eren was a buffoon, a psychopath, a traitor, and dipshit.
Uhmm he tried everything else before fighting Marley, but it was Marley who didn't want peace. Also, most of what you said he isn't even guilty of, as it was done by others outside his control. Finally, the ending made it clear he was the hero of the story and despite his selfless sacrifice, the world didn't want peace with Paradis. On that note, why do you think everyone who shares your views cry about the story "justifying genocide"? Ironically, it ain't the yeagerists saying that lol
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi Marley not wanting peace is an absolute moot point. No one is arguing against that. He absolutely could have destroyed them without betraying his friends and leaders and pulling a coup. Its not like Pixis wasn't planning on destroying Marley's forces with his partial rumbling plan No, Eren went with Zeke behind everyone's back, knowing Zeke and Yelena would poison the police and had Floke blow up Zachary for no reason. He also let Levi's squad get killed, if not ordered it himself through Flock. He could have warned Pixis and the others but didn't. Floke believed Eren was going for 100% but Eren lied to him. So Eren betrayed and mislead the Yeagerists too. Only for Eren to do exactly what his leaders he betrayed and murdered planned all along: A partial rumbling. Literally Eren went maverick for no reason whatsoever. Then Eren goes and targets a bunch of countries NOT aligned with Marley- Marley isn't the whole world. Including countries that were considering aligning with him. Which made them hate Paradis more and destroy them in the end. And as part of his stupid plan, Eren takes away his friends' Titans power and destroyed Paradis' walls- on top of killing his OWN military destroying every edge Paradis has against the outside world. Eren killed his own mom and a bunch of his own people for his stupid fantasy of a "blank slate" empty world to explore. He outright says this in the ending. And I guess so Mikasa and Armin could live it up like the Tybers. He didn't give a fuck about Paradis, just wanted to destroy people. He was a selfish moron.
@@Shadow_Hunter_X Only it was better. And Eren killed a crap ton of his own people... including Levi's Squad, Zachary, Hange, Pixis, and everyone when the walls fell. Then most of the world.
@@ergob3907 your right he did kill his own people but it was for the whole of his people to help them fight against the world, Pixis was killing his people so they seem defensless againsted other nations, which could have turned out worse for the people if the other nations decided to kill them anyway, becuasr keep in mind they hate them for being born
I swear people did not watch the same finale. In his last conversation with armin, eren admits that things turned out this way because its what he wanted. Not because it was pre-determined, not because there was "no other way", but because the mear fact that there was humanity outside the walls was disappointing.
okay i think that people misinterpretate eren not having a choice he always had a choice the choice was just out of the picture cause they did nothing but fight and argue lemme ask you a qeustion did the survery corps eren included ever actually speak during the global leader confrence?
It was Eren's fault for not talking to them. He knew how to gain full access to the power of the founding but said nothing. He killed innocent women and children in Liberio which fast tracked the attack of the outside world and ended up endangering paradise earlier than planned. They did talk to Eren. It was not their fault, eren chose not to disclose information If Hange and Armin were presented with the possibility of using the founding at its fullest wrath, then they would've thought of a better plan (ala season 3 uprising arc) They wouldn't be arguing if it wasn't for Eren lying and making things worse
Nice video👌👌Just a quire? By Hatred made him a Devil, what do u mean? Hatred as in he hated the outside world or Hatred as in his hatred of the world's ignorance.
@@videodimension69 lol did you even read chapter 131 u clown ? 😆 🤣 😂 just because he understands them that doesn't mean he will let them genocide his people on Paradis. And the world and the marleyns too were very aware that the paradisians were not monsters but just wanted to be left alone but still they wanted to genocide them so fuck them.
Marley´s main justification for war to the eyes of the world was that Paradise broke the truce by letting someone like Eren take control over the founding titan but to be fair, Marley was the one that really broke it first (and several times):
-First they willingly sent hundreds (if not thousands) of their own eldians to Paradise and transformed them into titans to devour the native eldians. That alone is an act of war and an attempt of genocide.
-Eren Kruger stole the attacking titan and transferred it to Grisha Jeager to continue his mission in Paradise. Marley could think eldians from Paradise were also conspiring to steal their titans but that was outside the control of the eldian royal family so Paradise didnt do nothing wrong there (until Eren stole the warhammer titan from them).
-Marley sent the expedition of Marcel, Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie with the intention of capturing the founding titan from the eldian royal family and bringing it back home. That would have left Paradise completely defendless and it would have been an easy prey for conquest by marleyan authorities.
Marley had military, political and economic motivations to wage war against Paradise regardless what the eldians living there chose to do.
The comment you made really has some good points. Really show how hypocritical Marley has been.
Not to mention they let KIDS go on the mission, even though Reiner,bert,Annie and marcel wanted to do it anyway that says a lot about Marley
@@videodimension69 dude the peace treaty made by creating a fake halo was never going to last coz the hatred doesn't go away this easily n hence the marley suffered under eldia then eldia under marley n continues till one of them ceases to exist but, is it really fault of marley or the cruel king who had ymir or the next generation ppl of eldia who suppressed marley or the creature which gave ymir power... Marley had upper hand after halos peace treaty and they were also powerful due to power of titans which resulting marley in exploiting neighboring countries... This basically goes on to show power corrupt ppl n makes them misuse them perhaps the founding titan should take away thr power of titans from all 9 titans or make eldian unable to transform into titan ?? No, there will be still suffering of eldian as they is already hatred on them n they were really backward before hiruzumaki helped them n still lack many things so suffering is an endless thing n power in ppl creates suffering, sufferers seek power so that they don't suffer continuing the cycle.
So, best way is to maintain a balance till war break out... Basically when the founding titan took eldians to reside in walls it was the best way unless ppl could communicate their exact emotion n everyone was more understanding of each other
Marley was conducting military operations BEFORE Eren took over - that was just a convenient excuse.
They wanted the founding titan to do the rumbling against their enemies as they were afraid Titans were becoming obsolete.
They wanted the resources on Paradise.
They wanted to eradicate all Eldians.
Kruger didn't steal the attack Titan, Marley never secured it.
Marley tricked their enemies into joining them to attack Paradise, to get the founding titan to use on them.
@@Popikawaii yea, that is example of absolute power leading to disaster...
As only eldians can inherit those they are a superior race than others but as shown in anime it really does depend on situation
The whole point being a strong n a weak person (country in this sense) co-existing
One thing people miss is that Eren sacrificed his freedom for his people, friends and the founder Ymir. Ymir sent him a memories from the start of the show and i beleived that the time he remembers that memory was when he touched historia. That was the exact moment he knew his fate has been sealed. This is why Eren actually got piss at Armin at the table scene when Armin mentioned Eren being a slave.
True, it Hurts when people Tell u what u don't wanna hear
Eren sent those memories himself, he is the mastermind behind all of it
That's the cruel irony of it all. Eren, whos been obsessed with his idea of 'freedom' from day 1, has been a slave to fate from the very beginning. Such a beautiful yet tragic story
@@vin8754 everyone is
@@Kev.R23 yes but at least we aren't cursed to know how our lives will play out, Eren doesn't get that luxury. From the moment he touched historias hand he knew he was fated to manipulate his own father into murdering the reiss family (including their children), to cause the death of his own mother and to cause the deaths of billions with the rumbling.
i like how you put what we feel about Eren into clear words.
Thank you mate (:
Yeah
"we"
Eren is objectively right. He gave Marley many chances. They knew Paradis had The Rumbling as a trump card but they wanted beef anyway. I mean, they sent 4 of their titan shifters and only returned with 2 (Basically only Reiner returned since the Jaw titan wasn't a warrior). Marley's warriors failed but they wanted round 2 anyway. They did it to themselves.
He objectively is not. What the fuck are you talking about. Much of the last episodes show exactly why what he's doing is wrong. The "right" thing to do was go with the plan to activate a smaller rumbling and de-militarize Marley, and then impose an embargo of sorts in order to strongarm global negotiations and reach armistice and peace for Eldians. Slaughtering the entire planet was not in any way the right thing to do when the issue was largely a geopolitical strategy to attack Paradis.
don't forget that he let Tyler to announce the war on Paradis first before he started to attack
He's right to start a genocide?
@@soraexe5640 True respect lmfao.
Eren: "I'll let you have your grand final words. Before i end you all."
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that was a requirement to go beast mode and break the vow renouncing war, insane detail isn't it?
The way I see it is;
From the beginning, King Fritz warned the outside if they messed around with Paradis then the arsenal of titans surrounding the walls would be unleashed.
The main reason for Marley infiltrating Paradis was for the metal underneath the island (and mass slaughter on the "devil's" inside the wall - like one of the marley peeps said two birds one stone)
So at the end of the day, Marley brought it on themselves and Eren made good of King Fritz warning, one which they should have listened to.
They did get a lot of warnings..
I can’t understand, how can you justify killing billions because of the ignorant decision of the few. Would it be justifiable to kill off all germans after the holocaust? Even the ones supporting it. It’s quite a dangerous idea that it’s okay to kill those, who desire death to others. And also the dichotomy of “it’s either the death of all eldians, or the death of everyone beyond the walls” is false, every dichotomy is always false. Aot is a set timeline, so when Eren saw the glimpses of the future, he didn’t see all pf the versions of what could happen, he saw what will happen, as a result of his choices. It was never established that there was no solution that ensured the survival of Paradis that didn’t involve genocide. Eren’s plan to end the cycle of hatred by killing everyone outside is at its root the same, as Marley’s plan to kill all eldians, therefore ending titans and the cycle of hatred, and it’s the same as Zeke’s euthanisation plan, it’s all false. Removing people that you have a hard time not hating will not free you from hatred. It’s like Armin said “in what way are you free?”. Reiner said something once that kinda summarised my point “Eren is the last person that should have that power” Eren possessing the founder and committing global atrocity is the same as Marley possessing it and doing the same. If Armin had a founder, I believe that he would have found a way to ensure peace, at least safety for Paradis without the genocide. Even since the first season, he was always way wiser and better adjusted than Eren, and actually had a correct take and understanding of freedom
King fritz words are of a threat and had no meaning
Paradise have been a natzi race from the beginning and they suddenly go in a wall saying peace out in the middle of there conquest
Lol u can't blame the world for being scared and wanting to rid of them
What guarantee is there for the world that they will not just simply start conquring again one day!?
He destroyed pretty much the whole world, not only Marley. He killed billions (probably) of innocent people because of what the people in power did.
@@videodimension69imagine justifying King Fritz warning after he just ended a war that ended in triple the world's population being wiped out. That's so stupid
Imagine if Nazi Germany agreed to peace talks, but then threatened to kill everyone if they went to look for reprisals, and then moved to an isolated place. Does that make up for the millenia of persecution?
Karl Fritz had good intentions but was a coward. He ended the war that saw up to a trillion non Eldians killed but instead of facing the consequences, he decided to move his people inside the walls and started threatening everyone else instead of building peace between the 2 countries
That's not how you end conflict
Honestly the rumbling if it’s anyone’s fault is the worlds fault for not letting go of the past when they should have
The true villain fr are ignorance and hatred
You can't really wipe out a past like that in the blink of an eye. It's crazy how you can think this.
@@SuperBrahimos Ok ?
@@marcomarco7750 dawg you can’t hold a race accountable for something that happened 100 years ago
@@TheEmperorOfViltrum If that race was the one who did that thing, you can.
Objectively Eren is right. All Marley had to do is end their beef, Eren gave them the chance. Everything that happens now can only be blamed on Marley.
You really could let go people who can transform in giant eating monsters who put you under their boot for thousands of years? That would be quite difficult.
No one is wrong here, no one is right
@@xano2921 These aren't those people tho. If I get abused by my dad and vow vengeance against all abusive dads, am I justified in oppressing the good dads because they can potentially become abusive? No I'm not. Marley kinda sucks fr
@@jesterjaded73great example! Agreed
@@xano2921 They have no problem with the Tybur family and they can transform too.
And people on the island has no fault about what supposedly did Eldia to Marley hundreds of years ago. They are completly innocent.
Even Eren Kruguer said that there is no truth in this wolrd, if Eldia opressed Marley for 1700 years, there will be no Marleyan alive...
I see both perspectives. Even though i'm rooting for Eldians, I understand why Marley wanted to control and destroy them. Both sides are justified, in my opinion.
This is not a story about good versus evil, or right versus wrong. In truth, it's a cautionary tale about the only thing hatred will ever lead to: cataclysm.
Smart comment
Also ignorance is a sin, blind sheep breeds senseless hatred
hating ppl who can turn into +15 meters human eaters isn't ignorance and blindness lmao, it's basing survival instinct@@truthboom
@@daeith1233 same kind of logic as hating the entire human race because of multiple criminal that murders another with a gun to sell their organ since it's high in demand in medical field
@@daeith1233 You're thinking in simple terms. That's not what this comment is about.
Here is the crux of the issue. The world hates the eldians for crimes committed by SOMEONE ELSE. THEIR ANCESTORS. Meanwhile every single eldian alive is a victim of current atrocities committed upon them by marley and the global alliance.
Essentially, the crimes of the eldian ancestors (if they ever happened) are stories that happened to other people, while the crimes of marley and the global alliance are happening now and have impacted every single eldian alive.
Hell even the last pages of the manga show that Eren made a mistake by sparing 20% of humanity.
True, al though i couldnt mention it in the video i did take some routes because of the ending
It wasn't their ancestors though. It was literally 100 years ago. These aren't your ancestors. Those are your parents and grandparents generation.
Not to mention, Eldia paid nothing for their crimes. Imagine thinking that retreating to a private island and threatening everyone else that your family hurt to stay away or die, makes up for the 2 millenia of killing and slavery that your family perpetuated across the world. 3 times the world's population was killed off by the Eldians. That isn't a light number. You expect them to just leave that especially after being told to suck it up?
There's a reason why people in real life tend to be cautious of the people that harmed them earlier on in their life, regardless of whether they've changed or not
The fact that you have the question if the crimes of the Eldians was real already shows your bias. So Isayama showing us flashbacks of the Marleyans oppressing Eldians is true and all but the flashbacks of the Eldians oppressing Marleyans is questionable?
The last pages show that regardless of what happened, conflict would've still continued. Even if Eren completed the Rumbling, the end pages could still potentially show Paradis Island get destroyed by internal conflict. But then again, yall would just blame that on Marley too lmao
@@willisstillhere8846 that's an extreme stance imo.
It was their ancestors, it was definitely not their parents generation if the events we are talking about happened over a century ago. the walls were built towards the tail end of their empire anyway, by which point the civil war had already happened, so maybe longer ago. But even then, holding people accountable for what their country or ancestors did 100 years ago is like holding someone today accountable for the events of world war 1. No matter how you string it, it makes absolutely 0 sense (which is the point anyway).
it's definitely true that the eldian empire was horrible, but that obviously doesn't justify anything that the marleyan government did after the walls were built. That's literal nazi thinking (which was the point anyway).
you definitely still have a point when you say that none of this just came out of nowhere though. But I don't think choosing any one side makes sense because it's not that black and white.
@@willisstillhere8846The Grandparents that are in AoT today are Children 100 years ago for like 4 years old(If there are some who are alive) so they are also completely innocent since they don't even know anything.
@@willisstillhere8846Also you can't blame the things that their ancestors do. Your statement is just like blaming the current Germans for the things Hitler and the other Nazi did. The current Eldians are completely innocent since it was their Ancestors who did the crime not their children and grandchildren. It was unfair and unjust to blame the group of people that their ancestors did. So in short, people who did the crime are already dead in the present generation.
It really is what the story is about. Being clouded by so much. What your state believes, what your government teaches you, what you learn yourself. Hatred of the past, ignorance to the facts, corruption, the human condition. We're all products of our environment. Another quote I like is "a person is smart, people are dumb." individuals can find reason, but the masses follow the hive mind in the end. We see AoT taking place in real life, and we stick to our ways. We're not fighting, and we won't win because of that.
Agree 100% great quote
This is exactly what I though during Season 4. This hits hard when you see how Russians justify their war crimes by claiming that Ukrainians are "nazis" and should be wiped out. It's propaganda in its worst.
@@justvid366 To be fair there was a faction of Nazi's with the Azov Brigade, but it was a small faction and they use it to justify it. A small amount of truth in a sea of lies. But I agree with you.
@@justvid366 Or how the US completely wiped out the Iraqi civilization because, according to them, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (spoiler, it didn't). Yet no one talks about this, nor about the infinitely horrible war crimes (or just crimes) that the US has committed on many countries, you only focus on Russia which has not done much compared to the US and you make sure that it is seen as the pure Devil like ALL westerners, which I am sure you are. You perfectly represent the kind of people that "ReplayableContent" mentioned in his comment.
Paradis: "We can't/won't Rumble."
Marley: "Excellent! Now DIE and give us all your land and resources!"
Paradis: "Okay, then we will/can do the Rumble"
Marley: (forms Global Alliance) "OH SHIT!! Die and give us all your land and resources!"
Paradis: Well...shit. RUMBLE!
You just said it Marley is the bad guy not random marleyan bayb
y?@@mertegeselam8321 how can you possibly destroy the threat of Marley if not by taking it out completely?
@@Gaijin-san-gv4zz you can even if you can t that doesn t make thousands of people deserve to die
Something you didnt mention, which imo makes a big difference, is that only Eldians can transform into Titans. So there's a fundamental difference between them and everyone else, and i think this would prevent anyone from being able to make peace and build trust with the Eldians. At the very least, it makes it more difficult
Hiziru did. Albeit was for resources but that's a valid way as any to build alliances
That is false, the royal family could have removed the titan curse at any point, they didn't. Even that wouldn't work, Zeke's plan accounted for that, even if the Eldians didn't have the titan variable anymore, they'd still be prejudiced against. Eldians don't just become titans from nothing, they must be injected with a titanshifter's spinal fluid, and this was done by Marley.
Then who is at fault? Obviously the one who began the Eldian lineage, right? Are you really willing to blame the king for wanting to grow his empire? Are you really willing to blame Ymir for acquiring the titan powers and for having children?
For sure, not justified of course. But it makes hating them a lot easier
@@Bruh-el9js every single nation would've taken advantage of titan powers. Eldia just happened to be the nation that obtained it
@@Homedepotorange I wouldn't call Eldia a nation, most Eldians don't care about Eldia and just want freedom, the only ones to care about Eldia at the time of the story are the Yeagerists, and they call themselves Eldians merely for propaganda and exclude those outside of the island. Other than that, I agree.
Gotta say, after watching the video, Im shocked to see that it wasnt posted by a channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Really good, high quality video!
Thank you so much!
I think other channels are worried about being framed as being pro-genocide. So they shy away.
And then Eren turned into a bird
Tatacaw
To poop on all of marley's cars
lol I just wished this anime would have an actual good ending because of how sad it was the entire time, how depressing all the mass murder and sacrifices were. And by good ending I mean Eren and Mikasa living together and having a good life. Seeing how she got married to another person later on kind of struck me, and when she died that was the final nail in the coffin, literally. But it was all meant to happen anyway. Most anime’s i’ve seen so far don’t have happy endings, usually all just sacrifice after sacrifice all for nothing.
Funniest sh*t I have ever seen.
Every nation outside paradise hates the innocent generation of eldians and they enjoy the thought of killing them(even before Eren killed any non-eldian civilians). Making the outside world no longer innocent, not even the civilians(who constantly wish the worst upon the eldians) of any nation. The eldians can't just lay down and die for something their ancestors(that they don't even remember) did 100+ years ago, nor can they defend themselves without bloodshed.
You get it mate
The young children that don't understand world politics in question:
And anyway if people in the AOT world are anything like ours, tons of people will be just trying to live out their lives and not really care. We know the governments of the major nations hate them but that does not mean all the civilians do.
Even regardless of that they are still civilians and are just going off what information gets to them, I don't think it's fair to say they are not innocent. To them (at least a good amount of them) it's not that they even hate the eldians, it would just be that they don't want to die themselves, just like Eren, I mean even Eren is not doing it because he thinks the rest of the world is guilty, he does not hate them, he recognizes that he is not better or worse and just "keeps going forward" or something.
It's not even civilians' fault that they hate eldians. They are fed with wrong information about their past and the world's government gaslighted them to hate Eldians telling their people that Eldians are the Devils of this world. In the end, it is the government's job to educate their people and because of this loophole, the world governments are taking advantage of their people by implementing something like a caste system where elidians living in Marley or any other nation have limited access to various necessities and luxury. People are just trying to live their lives peacefully and happily.
@@truesheltopusik1140 Nope. Even the Civilians hate Eldians not just the Gov't and you can really see that they really supported Paradis Genocide. This is the reason why Eren is justified in killing the Gov't officials, Military, and Civilians.
They are still innocent, you completely ignore why this "hatred", which is actually mostly contempt and disgust, exists. Furthermore, what about the children and babies? And what about the Eldians themselves who lived in Mahr?
Sorry to tell you this, but you don't stomp on people with a colossal Titan because they hates you.
Marley knew from the beggining that the Eldians that went to the Island had the potential weapon of the Rumbling. King Fritz warned them before going there.
If they leave the island, there will be no war.
*Marley tries to steal the founding titan because they are running out of fuel and because they are stupid*
*Rumbling starts*
Marley: "Surprised Pikachu face"
Who in their right mind is going to attack an Island that has the potential to kill the entire fucking world?!
They thought: "Meh, they are probably lying LOL"
Haha i dont think they thought they were lying but just thought they could outplay them
King fritz was indeed lying.
This story has no right or wrong answer. Both sides present valid and reasonable arguments. In the end, its a shitty situation for everyone.
This man gets it
the right answer is to fight and live
I still think Paradis and Eren were right to do what they did, attacking a country out of greed and with capabilities to wipe the world along with you (which they did warn this would happen) and them ignoring this warning is fair game to the world
In War Its Just People. Fighting For People. Fighting Against People. All Because Of Revenge Or Idealolgy. Power.
Maybe killing everyone is for the best? No more wars and conflict, eren achieved a dream where no more suffering and chaos.. by eliminating everyone and then he sits beside a tree and await his impending doom.
Something I feel like a lot of people don't seem to understand is that "Marley", as in the Marley officials/government declaring war and getting all the other nations on board is not the same as every civilian in the world actively trying to kill the Eldians. If the AOT world is anything like our own, I'm sure there are tons not actively against Paradis, for example young children. Eren killing the rest of the world and the rest of the world killing Paradis are the same, killing tons of innocent people for things that they had not control over due to fear that the other side will wipe them out if they do not take this action. Even Eren knows that he is the same as them so idk why so many people seem to miss this.
I agree, but it begs the question what were those civilians in their respective countries doing all this time, while their leaders were getting on board with a nation that has exercised economic, political and military dominance over their countries? We all know there are innocents, like you mentioned, children. But it was so frighteningly obvious that Marley wanted more weapons of mass destruction, a.k.a. the founding titan (eren), and the resources on Paradis to continue on their path to Global hegemony. Yet other nations that have also either have been to war with or colonized by Marley chose to join the coalition (like, whaaaaaat). Where is the protest??? I feel like that is what is missing from the show. I feel like there is no way that masses of people all over the world would not protest their governments involvement, because I certaintly would. Every civilian does not deserve to die, I mean I would be pissed and scared AF if I knew I was going to be squashed to death by a titan, BUT a piece of me would understand how we arrived in these circumstances. I'm just saying there is no doubt this would be the biggest world news globally, and at this point I'm sure many people across the world, including other nations that are not participating in the coalition, would know about the titan situation, Paradis, etc. I just think more could have been done, you know before Erin activated the rumbling. Its truly a shame, but honestly if I was a citizen of Paradis I can't say that I wouldn't be a jaegerist.
Even the association for the protection of eldian (or whatever that was called), that you'd think would be the one group that cared, was using Paradis as a scapegoat
Eren wants to end the cycle of hatred,, if u look at it, Eren was just some innocent kids that got caught on the Assault of the wall ,, but because of hatred and vengeance he became what he is now,, so when people said " Eren should've just attacked the military and the government and leave the innocent alone " well those government and military have families and relatives a.k.a the innocent people,, when they finds out Eren killed their families ( military/govt) the hatred will continues
@@88s68 I'm not saying what Eren should or should not have done, I'm saying he's the same as his opposing side(something he himself acknowledges), so I don't agree with how some people say the rest of the world "deserved it" or something(not u specifically, just I often see comments like that). Like u can say that he wants to end the cycle, but you can say the same thing about many of the people wanting to destroy Paradis. One of them needed to go, they just both wanted it to be the other side obviously, hence why they are one and the same.
@@truesheltopusik1140 well that's kinda true,, there is no wrong or right just like Eren kruger said ,anyone can become the devil or the good guys,, depends on who u are in that situation,, if you are a paradis island citizens you would support eren knowing the world wants you dead,, if you are a Marleyan you would hate eren,, basically it is a war ,, who is stronger wins,, and you can't be crying if you lose and start saying the other side isn't fair
Thing I love about the ending arc is that there is no good or bad side. People only do what they think is right.
Exactlyyy
Disagree. there is a good or bad side People only blind do what they think is wrong.
@@EljorindoBergmite145-je6ityeah but there are like Ymir
Not exactly.
Eren wanted no smoke but they forced his hand when he gave them a peaceful solution multiple times.
This man gets it
That where the memories come into play. No matter which route they took for peace the eldians would be the only ones to pay the price.
This is a perfect explaination of Attack on Titan
Thank you :D
"He didn't have a choice" , ah classical genocidal defense.
Right????? Its such an oversimplied and dumb justification
Blame the author then.
This is the story he wrote and he gave Eren no choice.
If you think Eren was wrong you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians. Isayama is at fault for writing a Fascist story.
@@r.k845 "if you think Eren was wrong, you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians"
That's a dumb take. Isayama was writing an anti-facist story, otherwise he wouldn't have invested so much story development on Armin's group
It's not that Eren had no choice, it's rather that he chose wrong. Hell, in a sense he may not have had a choice because he was partially brainwashed by Ymir and the founding WHICH STILL MAKES HIM WRONG.
You have such a reductive take on the situation.
@@potatoesblink3299 The authors intentions are irrelevant to the actual story told.
An author can write a story about how 2+2 equals 5 but if the actual narrative supports the fact that it’s 4, it IS 4.
I never said he wasn’t trying to write an anti fascist story. I agree that he definitely was. But that isn’t the actual reality of what he wrote.
@@r.k845 imo the reality is that a lot of the loud viewers are watching this show without thinking. Or rather have a reductive take (kinda like what you said about the whole anti Eren = pro Paradis genocide thing)
It's an anime show, so they default to a monkey brain mindset like they would a typical harem or shonen show because deep nuance isn't always expected In this medium nowadays. I'm not saying anime doesn't have it, but mainstream anime the past decade has been predominantly straightforward.
It's not like the mindset someone would usually make when watching something like The boys, Breaking bad or Game of thrones where detecting nuance is part of the experience.
I think Isayama was clear in what he wanted to say. And I even had discussions with a couple of creative writing university grads about this.
So it's not that he wrote = 4, it's just that the loudest part of the fan base can only comprehend the = 4 part and not the actual= 5
It's weird cuz every person I know IRL understood that Eren was wrong (except for one guy, but he was one of those people who knew reduced everything to black and white).
Others have stated fairly, it's ok , it's just a show and that we should let people identify with a genocidal terrorist who kills babies because it's not real. While that is true, it still doesn't prove that Eren's acts are justified within the scope of the narrative
I hear the position that there are no villains or heroes, no side clearly in the right or the wrong. but I believe both sides are in the wrong; the people of Marley and Eren's faction are both villains in my book because they are BOTH willing to sacrifice innocents. I definitely agree that neither side is in the right but I truly think both sides are in the wrong too.
They all grey innit
Nah, Paradis is objectively in the right no matter how you look at it. Marley attacked first, has been attacking first, and declares war after failing multiple times despite the warnings of the previous founder.
We also have the benefit of foresight and know that there is no alternative. Paradis defends itself or dies.
There is no grey.
@@Red-vj3ww This is a very incorrect take in my opinion. If you want to use "who attacked first" argument, then we can go back to the original Eldian king with Ymir. In the scope of the show, the Eldians attacked and oppressed Marley first. At the end of the day, I don't think who attacked first matters at all. Both Marley and Eldia are the same and throughout history, whoever is the stronger at that point of time oppresses the other, it's just a vicious cycle. Looking at the state of Paradis right now, we can see that the people there are very ready to perpetuate this cycle by being the oppressors when the rumbling succeeds. The Eldians really aren't much better than the Marleyans.
As a viewer we see evidence that people from both sides can change. The whole point of Gabi and Kaya's character arc was to show genuine human connection and understanding is possible with one another. The 50 year plan with the partial rumbling is a very legitimate alternative that could lead to a peaceful solution.
Eren went to Marley to see if there was another way to not do the rumbling.
(He has seen he's own future and saw that it will happen) but when he realized that all the other nations declared war only to the Eldians in the island he decided that there was no other way.
If Eren did not start the Rumbling, Marley would have taken control of the Founding Titan and exterminate every last person on the Island.
You can say Eren went to far killing all of the outside world instead of going only for Marley, I can accept that but if you can name other plan I will be ok to listen what you think.
@@lynesaurus You are wrong about there. There is no wrong in protecting and securing the future of your families, friends and people. Besides Matley did this to themselves. Even Marleyan Civilians are not innocents either. They also support the genocide of Paradis people. Saying Paradis was in the wrong is like saying a victim of kidnapping was in the wrong since they killed their kidnappers. That is why Paradis people are in the right and Marley and the rest of the world are in the wrong.
Wow, that summed everything up so well…great video!!
Thank you 😊
underated ytuber! You explain things very good!
Thanks a lot Man!
@@videodimension69 no prob man wish you the best! 💯
@@shnesaren0967 same to u g
@@videodimension69 continue making great vids bro peace out!✌️💯
villain is humanity itself which breeds ignorance and hatred, and indulges in never ending conflict
Erren is a villain because he is an extremist. He chooses to kill the whole world to save Paradis whereas there were good tactical options to save Paradis without destroying the world. He could produce a limited rumbling to destroy the UN fleet. That would have been enough. And he could threaten to produce more limited rumblings after that without ever needing to do so. That was the best plan of action and would have killed only enemy military personel.
Eventually the world would destroy Paradis
Can't you see what Isayama is doing? He made a trolley problem, it's either Eldia😤 or the world👽
Also Isayama thinks Eren is a good guy 🤡🏳️
@@Mitakaaaaaa Bro, how are the lives of maybe a couple thousand people on Eldia worth more than 80% of humanity. You sound insane.
i dont think he could do that, if he unshifted he would die im pretty sure
@@AsymmetricalCrimes they would have just killed themselves afterwards. say that marley was to get their hands on what they were looking for. you don't think that they'd get power hungry and go after more territory and more land BECAUSE of how much power they now possess? nobody wants to think about the longevity of things. but with eren doing what he did, and titans being eradicated from the world, nobody has access to that said divine power anymore. sure war would probably continue, but not from a place of absolute devastation. marley in totality were all for and only for themselves and it'd be a matter of time before that same oppression continued. if i was eren i would've done the same thing with no hesitation. those people came and destroyed my home and let it be known loud and clear that they weren't going to stop until they were back in the possession of something that wasn't even rightfully theirs in the first place. no thanks.
First attack in 845: Strike one for marley
Second attack in 850: Strike two for marley
They find out they have been puting titans on the island so the people in the walls: Strike 3 for marley
Litrealy declears war on paridis despite knowing they can trigger the rumbling: Strike 4 for marley
Goes in to kill everyone in the walls to prevent them from triggering the rumbling: Strike 5 for marley
Makes people kill their own freinds: Strike 6 for marley
Marley when eren actualy decides to activate the rumbling to defend his homeland killing everyone:
😯😯😯
MARLEY EREN GAVE YOU SO MANY CHANCES, AND YOU THREW THEM ALL AWAY
“NO I DON’T WANT THAT”
Those who know, I’m sorry for what they did to use
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@@videodimension69fr it doesn’t fit her character
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King Fritz is imo the most unambiguously evil character in this series. His sheer greed and lust for power started the injustice and oppression against future Eldin generations.
I wouldn’t help the marlians if I were hange mainly because I think they’re most likely to betray them after they get what they’re after
True, but u gotta take in mind hange's squad doesnt know the future like Eren. They still have that hope.
@@videodimension69 yeah I guess that’s true but you never know
bro called hans eren's uncle
Marley wanting to genocide the people of Paradise is like if Italians wanted to genocide the Germans because the Goths sacked Rome
Is it the big T goths? 😩
Sometimes peace is never an option. that the most *real* thing about AOT
Nope
Theres quite a few errors in this, which are fairly relevant. As you have stated this is based purely on anime I'll put the points across as such because whilst I've had a few spoilers off the manga i haven't read it so i can't argue effectively from that pov.
- Its not been thousands of years since the formation of the island city of paradis. Its been little over a century. Its been thousands (two thousandish to be precise...ish) since the emergence of the founder Ymir. This is relevant as the fear and hate in absolutely insane and irrational if they have not been a threat for 1000s of years, but less so when there are going to be older members of the ruling class in Marley who's parents recounted first hand horrors of the Eldians.
- Eren does not see the future when he kisses Historia's hand. At least, not the way that you put it here. He states that he saw some more of his fathers memories. One of them was of his father failing to kill the ruling family and his future self intervening to force him too. Its not confirmed what other memories of his father he sees at this time, but he specifically states it was some of his fathers memories that were unlocked.
If we are strictly sticking to what is known in the anime, then at NO point has it ever been said that Eren is able to see the future in the way you are saying here. He has merely been said to be able to see some memories attack titans, past present and future. When he goes to the paths with Zeke, he is then able to have some kind of control over which memories he sees (although it not entirely clear if its Eren and is suggested its all Zeke, given what we see I suspect Zeke starts the viewing process and Eren highjacks it part way) and obviously shows he is able to use his presence in those memories to manipulate events, due to the time being weird in the paths.
Eren comes to conclusion the Marley is going to wipe Paradis of the face of earth based on the evidence they have presented themselves that they will do just that. He saw the hatred when they went across the sea. They made a declaration of war to do so. He saw what Annie and Reiner and Bert were prepared to do.
There was another way aside from the Rumbling. But it would have meant sacrificing Historia. And he wasn't prepared to do that. Despite the fact Historia was fine with it, which is where it gets a bit iffy in my view. Whilst I understand him not wanting to force that situation onto her because shes his friend and he cares for her... it is her decision. And he unilaterally decides to go against that and flatten the world.
Eren has shown many, many times that he is .... frankly not mentally stable. His far, far to EAGER to kill. I understand the want for revenge. I understand killing because there is no other choice. But Eren.... Eren enjoys it. He has never, ever shown any regret, any remorse over killing. Only his lack of killing. As Armin says... "Always with the killing."
Ultimately, I think whilst you can sit there and make arguments for why what his doing could be justified... I don't think it matter to Eren. Ultimately, I think his doing what his doing because he wants too.
the only sane comment in this section smh. people just lost sight of who eren truly is. a complete sociopathic maniac who kills because it envigorates him. it isnt simply because he had no choice. no, if they think hard enough, theres alwasy AL-FUCKING-WAYS a way to avoid genocide. you might not be able to avoid killing someone, but to kill everyone? thats not even should be considered. i think these people are really short sighted. it could possibly lead to very very dangerous behaviour in case the world is actually having another real conflict
Solid editing and use of evidence to support your claims. Great video, can't wait to see more from you. Like, comment, and subscribed, for the algorithm!
Means a lot man happy to have you here!
Eren did nothing wrong
killing 1.6 billion people is wrong its just that eren and paradis didn't have any other choice
Wait till u see the first few episodes of part 3 and tell me again
Well nobody is gonna say what he did wasn't f*ckt. But it's very understandable
@@MattGarcyaDC I’ve read the manga extra pages proved it
@@Ligerbee yeah. But world itself do this to them. They pushed eren to do this. So eren actions are justfied.
0:04 MILLIONS…. MILLIONS
My bad g
No way all them fit inside the walls
Sometimes I forget how much Hannes means to Eren because of A Slap on Titan😂
My observation is Eren is the villain as well. Its mind boggling when I realized this..took me a while to watch it a couple of times. A villain that is suffering... Erens burden is very heavy he choose to become it. Because the world decided to let it's hatred flow.
I like to think of Eren more so as the worlds consequence or punishment then a villain
Two thumbs up great video. Personally I don’t see how this character controversial and in the case of Eren it is just black and white. Eren was originally a “good” character that turned evil by the end of his story arc making the cicle complete.
Thank you :D it is indeed a great arc. Aot fr knows how to write dem characters
‘There is no right or wrong in war.’
To the outside world, Eren is a monster, but to the Eldians. He was a hero.
"Justify" seems like the wrong word to describe it, Eren himself admits he knows the world is full of good people who don't deserve what he is going to do, and while he has the power to limit his destruction to just those who oppress them (and other nations) as it was Armin's original plan, he doesn't care
"He doesnt care"
"Eren admitted he knows that there are those who don't deserve to die"
So... that means... Eren is wrong...
And fighting against him was the right thing to do
@@potatoesblink3299 never said HE was right or wrong, anyways the ending just turned everything into "it didn't matter anyways because he KNEW they would fight him (and apparently the manga itself says that while he WANTED to be stopped and have them as heroes, he would also be satisfied if he killed everyone)"
@@VGInterviews never said you claimed it.
But whether or not Eren was wrong or justified in killing innocent children was the big question being asked
@@potatoesblink3299 not by me tho
@@potatoesblink3299If you believe it’s ok to genocide those living in Paradis yes.
Still a genocide apologist tho.
Let's not act like if Marley did get the Founding titan they'd leave paradis alone.
They'd do exactly what the old eldian empire did knowing that they have all the power
This is proof that the words eren krueger spoke to grisha became a mantra for eren. You must push forward until the price of your sins are paid. This is the crux of his justification for world genocide.
So accurate! The true villain of the story is hatred 💀
You first have to prove that the world would have initiated a full scale genocide on the island before you talk about justifying Eren’s actions
Willy literally stated that the goal of the war he declared was the eradication of the island devils.
Marley has already eradicated 25% during their prior incursion.
Do you need any more proof?
@@fgkuv5232 But they were deils. Eren literally killed 80% of the planet. That sounds like a good enough justification to destroy one island to me.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes what you just said is extremely stupid. At the time Willy declared war paradise was only fighting on it's own soil against an invader who killed 25% of their people. After that the islanders tried everything diplomatic to prevent the invasion of the island precisely because they didn't want a war.
Marley declared an extermination war supported by the entire world and then are surprised when the island defends itself by the only means they have. What "the island devils" were supposed to do exactly? Just die?
Have you considered not being a massive hypocrite? The first argument against the rumbling is "genocide just bad, nothing else matters" and then you actively support it when it happens to the islanders. You aren't the moral ones, you are just extremely racist against eldians, that's it.
@@fgkuv5232 i wonder why it's so hard for people to understand this concept. people are so against the rumbling which in turns means they were perfectly fine with paradisians being wiped off the face of the earth. and then you have fence sitters who say that maybe there was another way, yet if there was it would have never gotten to the point of the rumbling in the first place. the king even incorporated his own ideals into the power so that nobody later on would abuse said power should be more than enough evidence that these eldians didn't want anymore problems. sure that created a heirarchy system within the walls but thats easily more feasible than the idea of eradicating an entire nation simply because you want something that never even belonged to you in the first place.
@@perpetually. it's just because isayama wanted eren to become an antagonist by the end of the story, but has written himself into a corner. Then to escape it he had to fool the audience into believing literal marlean propaganda. Some susceptible ones feel for it, despite seeing proof it's wrong with their own eyes.
Those people are probably the same ones that believe Russia is a dirt-poor totalitarian state, or that Ukraine was planning to invade Russia and Belarus before the war was started.
Both is obviously propaganda, but people on either side of the war believe it, despite all of it being bullshit
When my mom and I finally got to watch all of season 4 in one go (because we refused to wait in-between breaks), we both came to the same conclusion that Marley's hatred towards the Eldians was mostly just a bunch of "he said, she said" propaganda and they were indoctrinated with this hatred for centuries. And you just can't change centuries worth of brainwashed baggage with simple diplomatic solutions. As far as Eren was concerned, diplomacy was thrown out the window the day they sent Bertholdt to kick a hole into Shinganshina.
So, the Rumbling was the only solution they had left to end this bullshit once and for all.
Well technically it's four fellow cadets. Ymir was also a Titan shifter but I guess you forgot her like everyone else.
Hahah omg i did, nah man she was such a great character how could i forget. I probably did because she didnt "betray" them so obviously as the rest.
@@videodimension69 Well Jaw Titan Ymir didn't have much of a role after she went with the other shifters to the Marlayan base camp. I suspect future Eren messed with her memories to make her think she owed certain shifters her life. If the shifters had not brought back the jaw Titan we would have seen a new Armored and Colossal Titan instead just a new jaw Titan.
I find media interesting because you will always have people who will sincerely justify the unjustifiable.
You will have people arguing why the legion is actually good in F:NV, and you will have people arguing that genociding the entire planet is good actually. Its really fascinating.
Genocide is never justified. I've already explained what he could have done in a reply to another comment, but destroying 75% of the planet's population was never the right thing to do, ever, regardless of circumstances, and to attempt to justify that genocide is an "ends justify the means" of the most ignorant caliber.
Cant find you're other comment but u gotta take in mind. Eren saw the future, he saw all possible outcomes. And this was the only one where his people lived. So i don't really see what u Mean by other choice.
well we got many characters guilty of genocide in the story, like the warriors for instance. The story made it clear they are just as monstrous as Eren, and he didn't even turn out to be a monster in the end, but the hero of the story. May I also add that he tried other methods first, but Marley and the world wouldn't have it any other way other than genociding his home, and the ending made that clear. May I also add that the only people talking about how the story "justified genocide" are the anti-Eren people after 139.5 dropped?
The other countries were going to kill them, they had no choice
"Genocide is never justified' thats all u can say.
@@JayDropemoff71 It isn't, only because the mc is doing it doesn't make it justified
Very good video!
Have you considered talking about how the manga ended? If you have read it, of course xD
OOOOOh yea thats a good one! I'm currently working on another aot video but thats definetily something i will probably do
i hate this that people really think that eren had no choice... he should buy island some time by destroying ships and try to negotiate with other countrys outside of marly... give others time to uderstand that people from island are not devils etc... no genocide was never an option for me... even when evey politics say that island should be destroyed that dosnt mean that every person think that
he could buy time only by using Historia and her kids and by making Zeke your enemy
@@1chibanKasuga i mean yes... i uderstand that eren didnt want to do this but i cant imagine killing few billions people myself for this reason. Few billions as innocent as eldian are... and we dont really know how many of this people really hate us and thats what is bothering me in this decision.
@@xdudekx13 i get what you're saying and thats the true conflict of nature. but at the same time, destruction is just as important as creation. by destroying the very thing looking to only destroy even more, eren opened a door for new life to be placed on a planet that is no longer bound by any tug of war regarding power. nobody can go to war with anybody if only 1% fo the population is left. no more nukes and powerful weapons. no more titans to oppress any group of people. just the people that are left to then rebuild and maybe start a completely new way of life. for that is the process of destruction and creation. one cannot come without the other. it's just unfortunate that this wave of destruction was so tragic in the way that it happened.
the big point for me is the it shows how stupid racism and historical divide(dont know the right term) is
That title is wild yet true
I would do the same if I were Eren. Its not Eren's fault that the people outside has a terrible leader.
Thank you for the no manga spoilers 🫶🫶
No problem mate edit: if you read the comments be carefull while replying i found some spoillers
Don't read ytube comments. People love to spoil the ending xD
Genocide is never justified
It's a war.
In war you don't kill innocent civilians.
@@user-lr3cm3on9cinnocent?they were racist
@@user-lr3cm3on9c i dont think the geneva convention exists in AOT
Also Jean put it clearly. He said "the world picked a fight & lost"
Wait, there are actually people who say eren is right to start a GENOCIDE??? I mean, he could be the most misery person on earth, but make a genocide is definitely not the right thing to do
Oh, i'm talking more about the people of the comments.
*omnicide
You're damn right I think he was and the only problem I have is that he didn't go far enough and allowed his friends to be a stopgap. The people of Marley wanted their extinction and there was a system in place that fed off of it as Willy Tybur declaring war was okay with them. The only ally they had was a nation that was only at the table for their natural resources. Their position in the world at large was absolutely untenable so yes I do think that given the circumstances, it was more than justified. For me, personally, I would've done the same thing and more.
@@anthonyschlott916 jeez, so eren fan are really like this? First time seeing one of this in action. I hope you get the love you need
@@Yellow_-if2gu I wouldn't call myself truly an Eren fan personally. I just happen to agree with him so please cut your self-love patronizing. His situation is extreme; not something that I ever hope wind up in ever, but I'd want to keep safe what I hold dear at all costs. If pulling the killswitch on the world is what it would lead to, than I see no reason for myself personally to abstain from it.
@@anthonyschlott916 look, I'm not going to extend this conversation for too long, but i have a single last comment.
Eren: oh no, they are causing misery to me and my friends, I think the only solution for this is to cause misery to everyone, including innocent people and my own friends.
In the end, Eren says he did that for his friends and allies, but his allies' goal was to LIVE in peace, as far as I know, when you kill someone, that person doesn't LIVE in peace. I think he only did this omnicide because he was mentaly tired, so to not commit suicide alone, he decided to end the world just because he have the power and because he was clearly crazy
Guys, this is exactly what happened with hamas when he attacked Israel, can you guys relate? They saw from the beginning how Israel keep on attacking and killing the innocent civilians of Palestine. This hatred grew and grew and a group of militant was formed named hamas, like in this show yeagerist. Just try to relate it.
I support Eren Yeager.✊✊✊
“Our hearts and souls to the cause”
SHINZOU SASAGEYO
Wow this summarized it super well
Those who cannot sacrifice anything cannot change anything.
Sacrifice your people for a greater good.
@@marcomarco7750 Greater good? The rest of the world is doomed to continue their warmongering.
@@marcomarco7750 sacrifice your friends and home for strangers that want to kill u
@@marcomarco7750sacrafice the ones you love and grew up with for strangers that hate and despise you, lmao your xenophilia is a f-up logic
The most objective and comprehensive comment on this anime I've ever seen until now.👍
It reminds me of a world war 2. Where usa dropped atom bombs on Japan. Rumbling is similar to it.
you won't believe how nowadays malaysian i met still hating USA for doing that, they only get the result after the bombs but not the history leading to that bombs, well just like some wise man said "if you don't know your history, noting would save you"
if not for USA, my generation would still be at war fighting against the japanese instead living of my peaceful life.
Oh wow u are right. There are some parallels.
Its more like if after Pearl Harbor an OP idiot decided to kill the US president, then nuke the entire world including the allies in Europe.
I have no idea why Eren pulled a coup when his plan was to do a partial rumbling just like Pixis. He poisoned his own country's military, killed Levi's Squad, and had Zachary and Pixis killed for no reason. He also destroyed the Titans powers and all the walls killing his own people's only edges. I mean they were planning a partial rumbling just like him. Like Roosevelt was going to fight Germany/Japan but like freaking kill everyone.
But I guess Eren deciding his friends living it up like the Tybers and his stupid blank empty world fantasy was worth it.
@@ergob3907 they wanted his founding titan after his showing in liberio that’s why. He refers to them as corrupt. Remember when they put him in a prison cell
Stopping Eren was the wrong move. The hatred of Eldians / Paradis was never going to stop. You see this failure when time flies and Paradis is literally being bombed and destroyed. Their civilization is wiped out and the remnants of cities remain with plant overgrowth. Because there's nobody left to rebuild. They're wiped out.
Isaya wrote Eren, being a totally normal person (unlike many other anime protagonists who have super powers)
So that he let us understand that everyone of us could be that demon, even the kindest persons among us (if the right conditions are met, it’s not easy but not impossible) and the we might make horrible decisions involving others’ suffering without enjoying others’ suffering but justifying it.
And this might not happen at a titanic and global scale like Eren, but in a tiny, almost unperceiveable way in our daily lives.
Just like Niccolo said, there’s a demon within him (for trying to kill a kid but also for previously agreeing with the world about hating eldians) and inside of us too.
We might believe we are heroes in our own lives but for others, we could’ve been monsters.
But Eren didn’t have a choice. The world of attack of titan did have it (but still chose to keep on hating)
So we too have the choice, whether we choose ignorance and hatred repeating the cycle of hatred or we can cut loose this cycle by forgiving those who do wrong to us, by choosing not to prioritize our commodities when it means that others will have to pay for it (common example: you are making a lot of efforts in your job to be ascended when a collegue gets that what you wanted by cheating or by inflaming you, so you are burning inside for revenge : here is where you decide whether we continue the cycle or stop it and we do have a choice unlike Eren)
Eren is scared of oppenheimer that's why he started the rumbing as soon as he could before openheimer is born
I feel bad for Eren but Genocide is wrong no matter whether it is used for right or wrong reasons.
It was Genocide or be Genocided. Which would you do?
It might be wrong, but if they don't do it someone else will do it at them uk
@@videodimension69 they had other choices to prevent the genocide of either side, it wasn't only Eren the one with a plan, the scouts had plans too, and you're treating the story as if it was only Eren's plan or die, they had time to try other plans, the one that didn't had time was Eren, but that doesn't justify genocide
@Prasad Vasupallijesus dude fix your grammar before you decided to say something
@@Hk_-tu5vq the Scouts had no plan plus eren doesn't want military turn historia and her child into titans
Change "justified" with "explained" and you are right. Eren did not justify genocide, he made it understandable.
Eren did nothing wrong. They didn't have to hate him, they didn't have to hate his people, they didn't have to try to kill him or his, but they did, so he defended himself.
And the entire world declared the war themselves. Manga clearly shows that to the last moment of the speech Eren didn't want a war
"Next week we'll be covering how Griffith made rape acceptable"
Except that was solely out of spite, unlike the Rumbling, which was done out of self-preservation 🤡✌️
@@Mitakaaaaaa Ah yes so does that mean America should nuke Iran just because they "might" eradicate America one day?
@@Mitakaaaaaa Rumbling is worse
Marley KNEW what Eren was capable of, did that stop them? Nope, they decided to doom the entire world and almost every country sided with Marley, all this blood is on Marley’s hands.
So darn true 🧠🤴
It's Eren and Paradise Island's fault.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes For chilling inside the walls unbothered? 💀
@@AsymmetricalCrimesHow? They were just chilling, the world knocked at their door☠️☠️☠️
@@Namae-jpn Bro Paradis conquered Marley first thousands of years ago using titans. I would have wiped them out too. Why would you want to live on a planet with a race of people that could end the world whenever they felt like it?
I love the video I think the main character was right but I think he what's a monster for doing what he did but he was a necessary monster
How was he a monster even though he hated doing it and broke down in front of kid Ramzi and literally pushed into doing this
Thank u for the compliment man! I agree with you
@@ashtheintrovert I do agree with you but he can be considered a monster that's the point I'm making he became what he became to protect his people and here's a better metaphor if you were those people getting killed by him you would probably call him a monster to
can't believe some people here think Eren can justify his actions. if you think Eren is a good guy, then you haven't paid attention. the show literally gave insights into his character from a young age he is already violent and have killer instincts - not a peace loving or calm person. one shouldn't be surprised that he thought killing and destroying the world is the right thing to do. that demonstrates he is only thinking of his own needs and don't care for the greater good
You just missed everything in your point 😂😂😂
Isayama literally thinks he's a good guy 👽
And it is true that Eren is extremely violent, but it was always in the name of defense, except for when Armin started talking, but who wouldn't get aggressive if Armin started talking 🤡🏳️
the greater good was literally achieved though? bro ended the world yes, but he also eradicated titans for eternity and now they NEVER have to worry about it again. no more power struggles and no more oppression over silly lightning transformation powers. people can live as they want and do what they want without being judge simply because of the blood coursing through their veins. even if they had stopped eren and even if marley got their hands on the founding titan, that doens't mean anything would have changed. paradis would still have been wiped out because regardless of who has the power they were still eldians and marley hated them. and who's to say that marley wouldn't then try to conquer other lands?
there would have been no true end to the violence, and eren made the most burden heavy decision of making sure it would never be a problem again. does it suck? absolutely. was it necessary? depends on who you ask. but in the end his "selfish" needs ended up setting the world completely free from this despair that has literally lasted 1700+ years.
one, war was declared against Paradis by Marley and the rest of the world. this is nothing more than self defense/ self preservation.
two, Eren only cares about his friends and he just wants to protect them-- no matter the means
three, well this is just a theory but it seems like Eren is taking on the world's hatred and shouldering all that hate. making himself the common enemy for the rest of the world, so Paradis and Marley and everyone is united against Eren to unite the world to show that there are no devils, only people.
That's exactly the theory i had when getting to this part of the story in the manga. Let's see if you right 👁️
@@videodimension69 for me eren is like sasuke if sasuke didn't have naruto as a friend to stop him. sasuke also wanted to take on the world's hatred to bring peace
and zeke is like itachi who thinks i'll just commit genocide against my people and that will result in peace haha
so that's basically Sasuke & Lelouch's theory !!
@@cajaiminpandit9641 i mean i'm a big naruto fan, so thats what i immedietely thought of after watching and reading aot
@@7aemr yea same !!
i wish theres a "what if scenario" on what will happen if all the people on paradis including the 3 military branch helped eren achieve this genocide or what will happen if the survey corps and the warriors failed to stop eren
Spoillers
Paradis would prob still be here..
I am honestly on board with his genoside plan from the moment he annoncued it, it was so crazy I ended up rooting for him the entire time
Eren does not actually know what fate may have awaited for Paradis if he doesn't start the rumbling. He only sees a future in which he does and takes it to be the only solution. Eren had no actual idea if a smaller rumbling followed by a global truce could lead to peace. And seeing as something like that would require actions long after his remaining 4 years, he chose the Rumbling, a plan entirely within his control using his own powers.
"Some may see Eren as a hero, and some may see Eren as a devil" I see Eren as a young adult who needs to seek therapy 🤣
Bro he got his legs bit off and was inside a Titan stomach. Wtf therapy gonna do lol
Everyone in aot needs intensive Theraphy lmao
@@MattGarcyaDC depends on the therapist and therapy isn't gonna always magically make things disappear, it will help you deal with things better
Eren ended the 2,000 years of hatred for centuries
Then humans reverted back to what's in the blood which was likely why the founding titan returned
THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION to the whole conflict between paradis and the outside world which is some of the scouts like armin eren mikasa and hange etc would meet willy tyber and discuss with him paradis's wush for peace then willy would relay their wish to the representatives of the world nations who gathered at liberio after he showed them the truth about carl fritz in the festival then hange will come out and tell the people that she is from paradis and descuss her plan for peace which is eren and historia will activate the founding titan power and unharden the walls and destroy all the wall titans in front of the world representatives at paradis then they will vow to use the founding titan power to communicate with ymir fritz at the paths and convince her to let go of the power of the titans (and the concept of her love for the 1st fritz king is stupid in and of itself)
Then the paradisians are allowed to leave paradis and explore the world and the rest of eldians in internment zones are freed and this is how you end the cycle of hatered
Eren ate Willy Tybur
This seems like the tale of a island whose people have been hurt so many times
Doesn't matter the genocide 80% or 100%, it's wrong and should never being justified.
i go by the saying of eye for an eye. they have since the beggining way past the fall of the eldians kingdom trying to kill every eldians on the island. so the only way to protect your loved one is to make sure no one can even hurt them.
I wouldn't say justified, but understandable.
You can't talk about how eren justified his choice without talking about the manga spoilers. It explains everything he thinks and explains all his actions.
The question is, What do you do if everyone else want to erradicate from existance no matter what, your people?
The only solution is always a bigger menace. just like in watchmen, just like in SNK
The true villain is Floch
the true hero is Floch
The True King is Floch.
Floch is Airvin ( Erwin but in the show is pronounced like this) true successor
The MVP you mean, he stuck with a plan and carried it out till the very end
Lmao why floch
The marleyans were gonna do the same thing to Eldians. Erens method is less brutal and quick.
It's not a matter of "heroes" or "villains". It's a matter of "ladylike" personality vs "Alpha Male" personality. In this show, we had only 2 people being able to use the Founding Titan's power to its full potential. That is the "Founder Ymir" and Eren. Members of the Reiss family are not included, since they were bound by the King's vow to avoid war. So, on the one hand, Ymir was the example of a "ladylike" personality: always caring about the others, even more than herself, always willing to sacrifice herself and give her life away for the well being of others (the "other" Ymir, Historia's friend, had also this exact type of personality). On the other hand, we have Eren Jaeger. The "Alpha Male" personality. Since he was a little child, even before his mother was eaten, he had revealed his true colours: at the age of nine he did not hesitate to slaughter 2 adults who threatened to steal his freedom away. That's how he had always been. His own well being, and the well being of his loved ones, above anything else. Typical example of "Alpha male" personality. (And just to avoid any misunderstandings, my personal opinion is that the world would be a far better place to live in if the nations leaders had a personality of the "ladylike" type...)
It's definetely An interesting way of look at it, al though i don't think Isayama had these things in mind when making the story. It's an interesting view
@@videodimension69 If you asked Isayama what he had in mind while he was making this story, the most probable answer you would get would be something like: "I had in mind whatever you want to think I had in mind..."
Genocide of everyone I know and love or genocide of strangers… 🧐
Or he could have just done Pixis' plan without poisoning his own country's police, killing his own countries leaders, Levi's squad, and crushing a bunch of civilians, because Eren ended up doing only a partial rumbling anyway. And unlike Pixis' plan, he wasn't merciful enough to resume peace talks, resulting in Paradis being wiped out anyway.
Eren was a buffoon, a psychopath, a traitor, and dipshit.
Uhmm he tried everything else before fighting Marley, but it was Marley who didn't want peace. Also, most of what you said he isn't even guilty of, as it was done by others outside his control. Finally, the ending made it clear he was the hero of the story and despite his selfless sacrifice, the world didn't want peace with Paradis. On that note, why do you think everyone who shares your views cry about the story "justifying genocide"? Ironically, it ain't the yeagerists saying that lol
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi Marley not wanting peace is an absolute moot point. No one is arguing against that. He absolutely could have destroyed them without betraying his friends and leaders and pulling a coup. Its not like Pixis wasn't planning on destroying Marley's forces with his partial rumbling plan
No, Eren went with Zeke behind everyone's back, knowing Zeke and Yelena would poison the police and had Floke blow up Zachary for no reason. He also let Levi's squad get killed, if not ordered it himself through Flock. He could have warned Pixis and the others but didn't.
Floke believed Eren was going for 100% but Eren lied to him. So Eren betrayed and mislead the Yeagerists too. Only for Eren to do exactly what his leaders he betrayed and murdered planned all along: A partial rumbling. Literally Eren went maverick for no reason whatsoever.
Then Eren goes and targets a bunch of countries NOT aligned with Marley- Marley isn't the whole world. Including countries that were considering aligning with him. Which made them hate Paradis more and destroy them in the end.
And as part of his stupid plan, Eren takes away his friends' Titans power and destroyed Paradis' walls- on top of killing his OWN military destroying every edge Paradis has against the outside world.
Eren killed his own mom and a bunch of his own people for his stupid fantasy of a "blank slate" empty world to explore. He outright says this in the ending. And I guess so Mikasa and Armin could live it up like the Tybers. He didn't give a fuck about Paradis, just wanted to destroy people. He was a selfish moron.
Your saying like Pixis's plan was any better. At least Eren's didn't involved killing his own people
@@Shadow_Hunter_X Only it was better. And Eren killed a crap ton of his own people... including Levi's Squad, Zachary, Hange, Pixis, and everyone when the walls fell. Then most of the world.
@@ergob3907 your right he did kill his own people but it was for the whole of his people to help them fight against the world, Pixis was killing his people so they seem defensless againsted other nations, which could have turned out worse for the people if the other nations decided to kill them anyway, becuasr keep in mind they hate them for being born
We really didn’t need the recap buddy
I swear people did not watch the same finale. In his last conversation with armin, eren admits that things turned out this way because its what he wanted. Not because it was pre-determined, not because there was "no other way", but because the mear fact that there was humanity outside the walls was disappointing.
Eren is a villain, plain and simple, killing civilians is unjust no matter what they're military or government did
It's literally to defend his nation's citizens, what else could he do 🤡✌️
as if Armin and warrior units didn't killed thousands of civilains 🤣
@@Mitakaaaaaa So killing millions of children is ok so long as it protects a couple thousand children? Ok bro
@@AsymmetricalCrimesIf one side has to go, make sure it's not yours😉
@@Namae-jpn You sound insane.
okay i think that people misinterpretate eren not having a choice he always had a choice the choice was just out of the picture cause they did nothing but fight and argue
lemme ask you a qeustion did the survery corps eren included ever actually speak during the global leader confrence?
It was Eren's fault for not talking to them.
He knew how to gain full access to the power of the founding but said nothing.
He killed innocent women and children in Liberio which fast tracked the attack of the outside world and ended up endangering paradise earlier than planned.
They did talk to Eren. It was not their fault, eren chose not to disclose information
If Hange and Armin were presented with the possibility of using the founding at its fullest wrath, then they would've thought of a better plan (ala season 3 uprising arc)
They wouldn't be arguing if it wasn't for Eren lying and making things worse
Nice video👌👌Just a quire?
By Hatred made him a Devil, what do u mean?
Hatred as in he hated the outside world or Hatred as in his hatred of the world's ignorance.
Hatred of the world's ignorance for sure. Eren was very much aware the people outside the walks weren't monsters. Thanks for the compliment :D
@@videodimension69 lol did you even read chapter 131 u clown ? 😆 🤣 😂 just because he understands them that doesn't mean he will let them genocide his people on Paradis. And the world and the marleyns too were very aware that the paradisians were not monsters but just wanted to be left alone but still they wanted to genocide them so fuck them.
Wait, why aren't we talking about how Marley justified genocide?