An Honest Conversation with a Hardline Feminist - Julie Bindel
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00:00 Intro
03:00 Feminism and violence
08:34 What is feminism actually?
12:13 Comparing two murder cases illustrates what feminism should be about
18:19 Why Ash Sarkar is not a feminist
21:18 Firefighter's uniforms, office temperature, gender pay gap
31:53 Why do the more trivial feminist issues seem more prevalent?
37:18 Oppression Olympics: how racial justice can harm feminist issues
41:31 Why "Sex work is work" is bullsh*t
51:53 The Labour Party and its disconnect from the working class
56:05 Snoop Dogg: can you be a feminist and be a fan?
57:48 The importance of conversations with people you disagree with
01:01:54 Why feminism is an optimistic movement
01:12:03 Rape
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I totally agree with her point that some don't want to get their hands dirty so they focus on softer and (potentially) less important issues. This is so true and symptomatic of so many so called activists and campaigners, and severely undermines the push and struggle for real change on important issues.
@Marina E Yes, I see what you mean.
As a retired sex worker (street based), it's not the oldest profession, there had to be at least one prior, cos we needed to be paid! I don't disagree with anything JB has said. It took years of determination and therapy to recover from my "empowering career". Harm reduction charities save women's lives, simple as.
Slavery and work are not the same thing.
Stop confusing them, your arguments only make it easier to prosecute sex workers and enable extra-regulatory abuses, just like all other labour.
Archeologists have found that hairdressers came before prostitution and before them the people who made tools like knives and such.
The one prior is pimp. ( I would note that prostitution surely precedes printed money.)
@@nickcharles1284 Sure, but what relevance does 'printed' add? No matter the form of currency, money is money.
Also, as I think Julie said in the interview, midwifery almost certainly predates prostitution.
Re: money: money is printed or minted currency. I associate 'paid' with money. Trade is trade. As you note it is a minor aside. I would say the oldest profession is agriculture. As it results in a tradable item within the context of an organized community. (Certainly there were parallel professions e.g. pottery). Prior to that 'midwifery' was simple what happened naturally: women helping women give birth and not rewarded with currency. @@as3609
“It’s never a mid level dictator. We go straight to hitler” 😂😂😂 well done Bindel
People were lazy during their history class so they only know the one.
That was fucking brilliant!
Hitler IS a mid level dictator!! Feminists don't know much about history.
Stalin was worse, Mao was wayyy worse. There's current day people who are legitimately worse, proof of which is that I cannot tell you who I think they are because the comment would never be seen.
I don't think traumatised damaged people can lead large movements without bias that's asking for trouble. This woman needs less stress not more!
@@DailyCorvid as someone who’s family lost everything when Mao took over in 1949 and had to flee, you’re 110% right. The stubby moustache man was horrible but far from the worst from an honest perspective
@@brutustantheiii8477 Ten years ago this is the point I would have made a funny joke about Hitler still being alive in the body of a current UK politician!
But it just so happens that the current guy isn't white, and so any joke I make will be reconstructed as a Nazi salute and I shall be impaled on the end of it then castrated.
So I shant. Lol. I hope you and your family did manage to recover to a decent standard of life. You're in a better country and situation now I bet!
Making comments on RUclips where the worst oppression you will see is comment moderation lol.
Prostitution is not a job choice. It is not the oldest profession, but rather the oldest oppression.
I am 69 and Ms. Bindel is exactly the type of feminist I grew up with-she's just great. Sadly people like her are becoming rare.
I was in a French class back in 2005ish. The teacher asked the predominantly female class who identified as a 'feminist'. Almost no one. She was horrified that women ranging in age, occupation and race didn't want the label of feminist which in her mind was Julie's generation of warriors; not today's clique of whiners.
I do fully agree. 👍
I didn't know her until to this great and honest conversation. A conversation of clear common sense, brutal truth of reality, talking about these deep self betrayal and lies including the ridiculous childish feminist- whining.
She reminds me very much of Alice Schwarzer in Germany.
15 years ago my favorite english teachers in highschool were feminists. They exuded a love for the subject of English and were perfectly happy to talk about feminism but didn't bully anyone with rhetoric into echoing their beliefs back at them.
They gave me a great respect for feminists and a lifelong love of English.
Sadly, my most disliked lecturer in university is an English lecturer who claims she's a feminist but she is of the contemporary kind that can't define what a women is.
Her classes are heart breaking.
I've lost all respect for the modern incarnation of feminism and those that support it.
I've learned that the contemporary form of feminism is a pseudo-feminism that doesn't care about women except for those women that agree with their beliefs. It bullies people to see the world their way and dehumanizes those that don't.
I'm well aware of respectable feminists existing. They're the sort who faced bullets in Iran not too long ago, they show an actual understanding of men's psych and issues and get called terfs for mentioning the biological differences between men and women or arguing against allowing men in women's spaces.
I still respect feminists, just not all of them and know for sure that not all feminists that call themselves feminists are in fact, feminists.
Anyone who wants a good English education are better off downloading textbooks and taking courses on RUclips.
Much cheaper too.
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That's a shame. I'm a proud second wave feminist.
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?
Being able to respectfully disagree is almost a lost art. It's great seeing conversations like this still taking place.
Yes. I'm all for interviews like this. You can disagree strongly but treat each other as intelligent human beings with every right to express what they think and feel.
I'm just glad the feminist lost the culture war.
"men shouldn't be allowed to pay for sex" is misandry. And comparing something meant for adults to child abuse is completely intellectually dishonest.
Also men and women not getting laid is a false comparison. Sex is healthy for men. It's part of being a healthy man. Men can get issues from not ejaculating. Women don't have that problem or a body designed for initiating sexual intercourse.
This woman is a puritan. She uses the worst examples as the norm, she uses what she calls the norm as a way to argue against ways to make things safer.
This idea that men think they're "entitled" is deeply offensive. Men are sexual. Human beings are sexual. Nothing will change that.
Shame on her for wishing anyone dead.
@@petyrbaelish1216 Is that Sarcasm?
For anyone trying to sell the idea that prostitution is a wonderful, empowering career choice for women- would you want your daughter to choose that?
I don't want my son to be a soldier and die but its his choice.
What of those who have no academic success and end up in low-paid work? Why should they stay skint just to please feminists? rsvp Bindel should stick to her own crowd- what of gay-guys who are hookers? rsvp
@@martin5504 I really hope you don't have a daughter
@@martin5504 Thats not comparable.
In many countries you are forced to have at least basic military training as a man, in a lot of countires you need to to serve several years in military as a man.
Comparing sex work with by law enforced military service does not compute.
And it is still in nearly all countries, that (only) a man is supposed to serve in war, but not women.
Both cases should be completly free choices made by the individual.
Another case is enforced sex work by women which get kidnapped into other countries or get lurde here by criminal organisations with promises and so forth. Completly different thing and discussion.
No. Hence why I don't date women who do that. They need help, not to be taken advantage of.
Hello, great conversation. I'm a female firefighter and wanted to add my piece about the uniform talk. Female firefighters are 30% more likely to get burns than their male colleagues because the uniform doesn't fit properly. That's the main issue for me. Yes, it is a male dominated industry and it will take time to adapt to a rise in women but this is quite a basic thing. There is a lot of misogyny in the fire brigade so focusing on minor stuff (like air conditioning that we do not have in stations anyway) seems so trivial. Love Bindel and all her work and enjoyed the questions from you both. Thank you
I spoke to a friend recently in ireland whos a psychotherapist he told me one of the biggest issue he's seeing with young male clients is both sex and porn addiction. He said it starts with porn addiction then the move onto constant casual hookups and they move on to prostitution because they want what they're seeing on porn sites.
i'm actually a victim of this. took alot of will power to stop
Sex is healthy and it's especially healthy for men. Men were seeing prostitutes LOOOONG before the internet existed.
So many don't take sex addiction seriously but the brain literally makes it's own drugs.
I think the problem is mostly in the eye of the beholder, in this case the psychotherapist.
@@kellharris2491 it's also indicative of a bigger issue: men need sex to be healthy, it's how humans evolved, and men look at porn only because they are not getting the real thing. All the people who have a problem with the existence of porn are just spinning their wheels. Men will never stop being sexually minded.
I was 18 when I became a stripper , it went on 7 years . What no one talks about is the Psychological block of leaving the industry, because I’d been told I’d ruined my life and no one could accept me in a normal job/relationship etc I started to believe it after a while at my core . It’s only when your out and your out for a few years you can see the problems .
This happened to me as an ex hooker. It's legal here. Totally sapped my confidence. Couple years in to a normal job and I'm getting it back
@@snoozyq9576 All best, Snoozy. I hope everything keeps coming together for you.
@@snoozyq9576 It always seemed to me that transitioning from a lot of money for a short amount of time investment (sex work) to a normal job where you make drastically less money for far more time and effort is difficult for people to accept as well. Especially if you're getting paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars an hour as a prostitute. But one can't hook forever, and I'm not aware of many hookers who saved up and retired early. They usually spend what they get self-medicating.
@@Genarii Where I live all the hookers are junkies. They are dishing out blowjobs on street corners for like £20 because that's all they're gonna get. Most of them have no teeth and and seriously underweight. Not all sex workers are in the same circumstances. Some might be really attractive, have had a good family life and charge a lot of money and in my opinion then that's their choice. I don't feel sorry for these people. It's the ones who've grown up the hard way (abused, no family, junkie family, trafficked, etc) and ended up with a habit and to feed that habit they will do whatever for a quick fix. It becomes their life and I can't imagine a life much worse.
@@Genarii The idea of working a short amount of time is a myth of the s industry. You end up working the same hours as a regular job shift. Sometimes you make no money. Sometimes you make lots of money. It's not a dependable source of income. It all depends on how many customers come in at any given time while you're on shift and how much money they're willing to drop.
" it used to be perfectly acceptable to have friends with whom you disagreed ."
Yeah. Sad.
Acceptable, yes. Worthwhile? I'll make the distinction this way: I don't mind if a friend has a somewhat different opinion to me, such as, I like Star Trek, and they like Star Wars - we both think movies are cool. But someone who was to outright say "I don't watch movies, I hate them..." Well, while that's certainly their choice, and I would respect that, I also know that we likely wouldn't get on very well, so no value to be gained in trying to be their friend. I'll say one thing for the past two years: It's made me Very comfortable with cutting unnecessary people from my life. That's not 'echo-chamber thinking', but an acknowledgement that if there's no conversation to be had at all, there's no point in future interaction.
It still is in my world - though I have to fight for it at times :-)
Absolutely. You don't have to agree with someone to talk respectfully with them.
@@TimParker-Chambers so if you knew them before they made that statement and got on otherwise, would you cut them out of your life or just stick to other topics?
As a man, this is the kind of feminism my mother brought me up with and still hold to this day. And I'm not embarrassed by it in the slightest.
Feminism is bullshit.
You must not have been paying attention then.
You should be embarrassed, that's gay
@@grapenut6094 Hater lol
Right? Before I knew about more recent feminist agenda, I didn’t know what people would reel at describing oneself as a “feminist”. But still, I thought, one has a right to keep describing oneself with the word, even if others have gone off the deep end somewhat, eh? Now, I’m finally turned off by using the word casually to be associated with blatant narcissists and predators. Not to mention all the issues that HAVE NOT been discussed or objected to by current feminist movements.
This show reminds me of the days we used to sit with my grandmother, mom, and aunts/uncle on the weekends with a pot of coffee and just talk about the world.
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"feminism is not about being equal to men. feminism is about liberation of women." - by far the best and most accurate quote ever about this topic. YES YES YES!
Liberation from what?
@@fioafionawright8604 You might be asking that question because your are coming from a place of priviledge.
Many women around the world still seek libration from men and do not have rights to their own bodies, to educate themselves, to have their own finances etc. Don't forget only 47 years ago was a woman allowed to have her OWN BANK account in the UK.
Modern “feminism” and those that go by that moniker certainly aren’t, think a much better and more accurate quote is five comments above this.
@Suicide Booth astounded the comment got so many likes but no one’s explained what feminism is liberating modern women from? besides responsibility.
@@fioafionawright8604
Liberation for nature and responsibility.
You don't have to be married long to notice that if you divide the work load up based on who is good at what, you end up with something like the traditional roles, in most of the cases.
I don't thi kji could every understand the connection between a mother and their baby. And I don't think women will ever understand what it feels like to be the expendable one, and expected to die to save women and children.
“Billy Brag, that Dickhead” I’m warming to Julie minute by minute…
Why has no one ever pointed this out before!
One of the few things she said that I actually agreed with. Still a good interview though.
Honestly I've always thought that but the woman bashing stuff was just the cherry on the cake
That made me chuckle too...another luxury commie
What I do admire about JB is that she focuses very much on the women who are far from rich and powerful positions. And she doesn't shy away from difficult issues. She walks the walk. And too few women who call themselves feminists will do that.
Please people, wake up! We need more voices of reason like this… I’m not a feminist but just the fact she shit on micro aggressions tells me she’s actually sane, unlike many people on the left these days…
Lol one comment doesn't make someone sane dum-dum.
" Billy Bragg , that dickhead . . . " That got me. I was sold after that.
Like her or not , she's giving the smackdown to the lunatic trans anti women mob...
Fair enough.
@Suicide Booth : No, that not correct. I suggest you go back to the eighties to read more on the beginnings. Initially the trans movement did have feminists support but that waned as early as 2000 when the socialist global mob took over feminism and cast out the real feminists like Greer, et al.
[EDIT: Do you realise feminism has two distinct branches ? ]
@Suicide Booth The trans movement is a corporate fiction created to open up new markets for profit and sneakily presented as a human rights campaign. Behind all those fragile 'identities' and corporate branding theres just men and women, boys and girls and a cashed up juggernaut driven by autogynephile men.
@Suicide Booth It always feels like I just touched an electric fence when I hear or read someone saying that females are the blame and responsible for men/males pretending to be female. It truly is a WTH shock. So, females used what power to get a man/male to decide they think they are a female...and then "get" them to act on it? Whenever I see or hear this kind of nonsense (stupidity really), I'm thinking this is a person that holds a deep issue with and against females. You need to go back in your booth, Booth. Although, I will agree with you that today we are at a level of lunacy with the trans movement. But these are men/males that are pretending to be female. So, following your logic, it is men/males that are pulling our fabric to shreds because they are now at the top of "victimhood".
Trans women are women.
On prostitution: brilliant. Thank you. There's a reason we don't want our daughters aspiring to this "profession". Thank you!!!
Your son can though, eh ?
"They've gone to Durham university", I believe is the expression.
I am In this profession and Julie offers a very one sided view on the matter. I hope trigonometry also interviews people from the other end of the spectrum.
Is a woman who demands expensive dates before the bedroom a prostitute? If not why not? Sex has always been transactional. In some countries there are girls who go out when they're feeling frisky and find guys in bars etc that they find attractive and make clear they expect money. Are they sex workers?
Julie and her supporters won’t understand that simple fact. Why the activity that is frowned upon if it’s for pay but it’s completely acceptable when it’s done for nothing?
I don't necessarily agree with her on everything but she brought up a lot of fantastic points and I could tell her intentions come from all the injustices she has witnessed and fought against first hand. I wasn't sure if I could call myself a feminist anymore but this excellent interview made me reaffirm that we need to reclaim that term from the rabid activists who have lost the plot.
Feminism is bullshit.
People don't understand the history of feminism. It' has always been very divided with extremes on both sides.
I feel the same! Let’s claim the term feminist back.
The term has been destroyed and redefining completely.
Yes!
So glad for this valuable conversation to bring balance to the Force
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Julie Bindel is one of the sane people in this world.
I wish that more people I disagreed with were like Julie Bindel. Got a lot of respect for her
I agree there. I'm not fond of her and I disagree with her a lot. But she has my respect.
Why? She was a criminal and a thief. She believes in microaggressions. She complained about feeling women had to be lcked in their homes for their safety and then IMMEDIATELY locked all men in their homes and was happy about it. She's a hypocrite. A criminal. And a Femnazi. Why would you give a shit or give any respect to such a despicable, vile human being?
@@ehnanimoose2092 pfff, you obviously can't look over her past and past opinion. You obviously the woke type that can never forgive and forget. Her points about male abuse, discrimination in criminal law (which has many aspects, she deals with one certain aspect of it), and prostitution are worthy of attention. Whatever there is in her past.
@@richardkovacs2006 I made my comments when I got fed up with her idiocy and left the video. If she said something worthwhile after all her toxic idiocy drove me away, it's too little too late. I gave her a chance. She proudly yipped about her privilege as a woman and started waving her femnazi flag around. Exactly how much drivel and stupidity do you expect me to listen to before it's "ACCEPTABLE" in your wokist locust eyes to write somebody off as not worth listening to?
@@ehnanimoose2092 Why? Because she's one of the few of her ilk who actually has the balls to sit down and have a conversation and share her views with the other side. She may have some out there ideas that a lot of us can't get on board with, but at least she isn't afraid of that disagreement. In a way, by doing this, she has taken the revolutionary step of getting both sides back together for a real, honest discussion. That's so important in turning the tide back to sanity and common sense. You don't have to respect everything a person has said and done to give them credit where credit is due.
Very interesting at the end. When she was talking about coerced sex or rape in relationships. She said, "Ask any woman of a certain age..." I thought she meant OLDER women. But it turned out she meant younger, "women under thirty...." That really gave me chills.
yeah, most teen pregnancies are caused by men 25-35 as well. and young girls are often subject to boys testing boundraries and older mens fantasies. It doest stop when u get older, but you learn to see it coming a mile away.
@@blah914yeah I’ve been traumatized by my first sexual experiences. He wouldn’t tell me what he wanted to try or do, he would just do it. It was so scary.
@@sophiacalon3463 😢 im sorry that happened to you ❤️
@@blah914 and most child marriages are to young girls to much much older men rather than say child "betrothal" in some cultures.
There is a show on one of the crime networks called 'Undercover Underage' about a young looking 38 year old woman who has all these aliases as a 15 year old Instagram content creator in order to see how many older men would follow her. Its chilling how many older men are interested in teenage girls. She sets up a sting, and when she gathers enough evidence, hands it over to the police.
I'd love to have a beer or a cuppa with this lady. Got to take your hat off to people like her who have such conviction. I liked a lot of her points
Very straight talking 👌🏼
As a gay man, I love Julie Bindel. She stands up for the sensible middle ground. And I get the impression she's lots of fun in her personal life, has good humour and genuine warmth.
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?
LOL, Julie Bindel and middle ground. She is SWERF incarnate.
@@ouwebrood497what’s SWERF?
@@PunkinBeets Sex Work Excluding Radical Feminist
@@ouwebrood497And thank god for that! Any woman should be proud to be a SWERF!
Rape is a hatecrime in my opinion.
Excellent discussion! Well done for finding such an interesting and informative guest. Love the polite and persistent pushback from you guys, respectful requests for clarification and the wealth of common ground found during the conversation. Julie is doing important and commendable work for vulnerable women in poverty and abuse, and is grounded in the real world. She gives an account of feminism that is realistic and persuasive - a rare treat!
@@guyincognito8440 subtle enough for you to miss
She does some very important work and very necessary. She's also insufferable and says some dumb stuff.
Only people who are privileged want to be victims. Nobody, not a single real person can stand feeling so powerless, so worthless. People have to cope somehow. Accepting what has been done to you is absolutely disheartening but also necessary for healing. Victims deny, mask and cope, until they are loved and cared for and feel it's safe enough to sit in that pain and begin to heal.
My biggest issue is that many of them aren't even victims. They make up slights and want to be victims so they get sympathy and attention from others.
I think we have swung too far from the old days of "shut up and get on with it" to now where everything is a slight and everyone is a potential victim.
Stoicism has been replaced with permanently feeling sorry for oneself.
There were no female crash test dummies. After much furore they substituted a child model which is not going to have the same weight distribution, size etc as a grown woman. There were no pregnant crash test dummies, again the knowledge gap is killing us.
Things that seem small can run deeper.
Not to mention birth control. I believe the pill for men didnt make it through trials and was cancelled bc the men were experiencing all of the same side effects women have suffered with while on the pill and still do.
there was ONE car company that did. ONE. i dont remember which one, but if im ever buying a car, thats the one im getting.
@@blah914probably volvo, I’d guess
Let me ask you a question: how much extra would you like to pay for an add-on to the standard seatbelt (of course that comes with the car) that allows every individual with any kind of body type, height, and condition (like pregancy) to be equally safe? What would be your budget for such a feature on a brand new car?
Alternatively: if all cars came with such device, how much would your budget for a brand new car shift?
@Icewateronskin .... you're acting as if females as some kind of special species, and not half the population of the earth
I've listened to Julie Bindel before. I do think she has a a lot of valuable stuff to say. I don't agree with in her 100%, but I can say that about every one. These conversations we need. Same with triggernometry fellas, the contribute valuable counter points.
Yes she has the clout of someone that has done real things at the sharp end rather some wank puffin pontificating on twitter .
Best thing about Julie is you can disagree with her and still have mutual respect.
@@chrispercival9789 yep.what some one is transcends their ideology. This may be hard to fathom for some people.
i would love to have a heated debate with her, because i know she wouldn't shy away from it and blame its heatedness on my male violence traits, but she would argue her points with educated intellect
That is the way it should be I dont agree with anybody 100% so the madness that anybody that dont agree 100% with you is an enemy is just crazy.
“Excuse me, while you’re talking about FGM and sex slavery: Why don’t feminists advocate for things that matter? Lemme read a whole list of things you didn’t mention real quick.” -presented without a shred or irony.
At that moment I wanted to punch him. I mean for fucks sake
The fact that she said that all men are not born, programmed to harm women, and went into that, means so much to hear.
Yes. In truth it's often the culture and upbringing that does it. The life example of Men that they grow up seeing. And some Men always decide to break the cycle and be better examples then their Fathers.
You do realize... most feminists beleive this right? Yes, even the modern ones you hate so much... often it seems to be men most of the time that rather think this with some of the excuses they make about rape and promotion of toxic masculinity (which yes, is absolutely learned and thaught as the only way to be a "real man")
Proof you men just refuse to listen to women the majority of time lol.
@@kellharris2491it's not necessarily the example they see but what they experience directly. Child abuse is the #1 problem in our world, although few people view it like that (because most people are repressing their own childhood trauma so they have a blindness around it). Our bodies store up our experiences and play them back later on other people and/or ourselves... IF we're not able to see the abuse we went through and get in touch with our feelings about it. And the abuse comes from both mothers and fathers, not just fathers.
I remember seeing a study that most abusers come from a single mother home.
So unless the mother is programming her boy to beat women then that’s crap.
It's bullshit. In western society its the opposite.
Paying for intercouse is such strange thing to me. By accident I am disabled, but I can't imagine to have loveless, heartless intercouse with someone, who actually isn't aroused by me and wants my money, but does not want me and I am feeling it the way, that I don't want such partner either. It's lacks something, that I am deeply prefering in compare to ab expensive physical exercise. When it hurts me, I want to give myself to someone I deeply care about.
Work and slavery are not the same thing.
Also, maybe as someone who is disabled in our society you could understand how differently people may think about their own vs others sexuality. Not everyone feels identically, that's just Bindels privilege showing.
Do you know artists who sell work they care about? Do you know artists that sell cheap work. Do you know artists that don't or shouldn't sell their work at all? Same goes with any labour.
Capitalism alienates all of us from our passions.
Bindel hates trans women too, she's also supported Peter Singer who publishes primarily to advocate for the extermination of disabled people like yourself and I.
Bindel mimes being gay as a political choice too. She's even admitted it and advocated others to do the same.
You are lucky because you know what real love and intimacy feel like and how preferable they are to empty, emotionless exchanges. Unfortunately not everybody has experience of that & knows what it feels like, so they content themselves with lifeless substitutes for the real thing.
and if you see the state of most prossies haggered, no teeth due to being drug addled, dirty and old clothes most of the time, disgraceful these punters must be so, so low down..!
@@jesipohl6717 Mimes being gay? You mean she's straight at heart? I would identify her as a lesbian from a mile's distance. Of course impressions may be wrong, but everything in her appearance, way of speech, mannerisms etc. gives this sort of signal.
I like her general, disagreeable attitude a lot. I identify with and respect people like her, people who tell the truth exactly as they see it, and aren't afraid of confrontation. Also, she totally changed my views on prostitution. I suppose that being too libertarian is a thing, lol.
how did she change your views on it?
How so?
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?.
Libertarian is about having the personal liberty to do pretty much whatever as a personal choice, not a moral code that any personal choice is acceptable. You're completely free to ruin yourself as long as you don't affect other people's own personal liberties. How common this concept flies over the heads of people...
I was unmoved by her arguments, "I know better than you, you shouldn't be doing sex work, you should be cleaning a sewer somewhere". She points to problems that exist but doesn't give any solutions.
Couldn't an ill-fitting uniform hinder your movement in a dangerous way when doing fire-rescue?
Exactly! Fire fighters wear their gear for a reason and if women are less sage because they have ill fiting equipment its not enough to say that its a historically male dominated field. Women are in the field in the present day and why should their employers be off the hook in catering for their basic safety needs.
If the uniforms fit badly on women and its know and still not changed then women aren't being considered, so it's kind of sexist
My thoughts exactly… How dangerous is ill-fitting gear? And how come the gear made for women isn’t available now?
What she speaks of hits home to me as someone who found herself in a relationship with a predator. The system protects these men. When I reported rape the social service team reached out to ask him it the kids were safe with me...it's a shameful existence that no one can understand until you see or live it.
Sorry
I dont believe that for a second !
A woman has just to accuse a man of any kind of crime and this man is in deep trouble !
So, sorry, I dont believe that for one bit !
And how come you were in a relationship with a predator ?
Didn't you see ANY red flags when you met this man ?
Or was that the great appeal and attraction you felt towards this man from the start ?
And before you begin bashing on me
My thoughts on any kind of abusive toxic and destructive relationship, is that the one (man or woman) acting that way should rot in hell and in the meantime should be punished end thrown in jail/prison !!!
Women can also be the one who is abusive toxic and destructive in a relationship !!!
And that is just the reality !!!
@@seriously1184 I really recommend that you explore the psychology behind domestic abuse. It is an extremely well documented issue that leaving ones abuser is very difficult. That way you can stop judgimg strangers on the internet without any knowledge into their personal business.
@@Shasha-jo5iv
Oh you mean like battered wife syndrome ?
Or maybe even the Stockholm syndrome ?
Or do you mean the personality disorders (clusters A, B and C) mentioned in the DSM-5 ?
Or maybe you mean ALL the other disorders mentioned in the DSM-V ?
Yeah, unfortunately I know a lot of this matter, because I had to inform myself into this just to be able to navigate through this world full of dysfunctional and very destructive and very toxic people !
So which part of psychology do you mean or are you referring to ?
@@seriously1184 Sorry
I beleive you're a wasted opportunity for crib death.
And that's just the reality !!1
@@Shasha-jo5iv admirable, but you can't talk any sense into men like this. He is absolutely blinded by hatred of women-probably originating from hatred of his mother-and believes any abuse we get is right and proper. Any time we step out of line and talk about our rights or the reality of abuse against women, he will rave and rant and whinge about how we dont actually have it bad _enough._ This is a permanent toddler filled with an adult man's rage... and they project like _we're_ the hyper-emotional ones! LOL anger is an emotion, bucko!
Why are the overwhelming majority of men firefighters?! REALLY? Not that many women are interested. It’s an incredibly physically demanding job. There aren’t that many men who are physically capable of doing it. There’s much fewer women.
Thank you for having Julie Bindel on. I knew about her championing of women’s sex-based rights against trans madness, but not her support of working class women, which the third wave is sorely lacking.
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To be fair, social movements always tend to be primarily focused on mid to upper class people, the working class is practically a separate world where you see what actvists talk about, then you look around the shithole where you live and almost none of it applies.
Why do working class women matter more than working class men?
One of the most depressing tactics on the woke side is "educate yourself" and "do better". These are flippant, assholish and reactionary responses that shut both sides up. The recipient will rightly feel offended, and the responder thinks their position is unassailable and wont ever hear anything outside of the echo chamber.
And some are in the know and think this is a feature not a flaw.
Agreed, I hate that "educate yourself." You know they mean you will not be properly "educated" until you believe same as them. Chaps my ass!
Brilliant, Julie! I’ve seen the young girls when I lived in East London going into cars with several men. They would stand on the street along the road from my window and be picked up one at a time. So young. Noticeably not well fed and had come to the area where the corner shops’ windows were full of cards with phone numbers and they would know they would get ‘work’. Anyone condoning that is sick. Occasionally a police car would go past but it seemed to be an accepted part of the community.
If you want to abolish sex work, abolish the demand. If the demand is there, no amount of prohibition will stop it.
This can be done by discouraging men from viewing women as sex objects.
The genetic need to reproduce is always going to be there. If it wasn't we wouldn't be. You will never get rid of the demand. The problem is the way society has warped our sexuality. We have comodified it. Porn doesn't need adverts. It's seeked out because of our programming. We need to cut the supply off and then the prerequisites of being in a stable relationship will return. No porn and sex workers will force men to step up and find a partner. As humans we like the easy route in most cases. We need to make the easy route through marriage again... Its a very messy situation with the blame laying at the feet of both sexs.
This was sooo hard to process at some points because of the literal insanity that's going around in these circles. I'm really glad I listened though. This should be spread far and wide. I'm so glad that people like her exist and you guys are doing a marvelous job with these interviews. Thank you all🙏🏻
Female firefighters is such an unfortunate example because physical strength actually matters in many life-or-death situations. FF equipment is heavy, bulky and cumbersome.
100% agree
Exactly. As a woman, I would be quite comfortable with few to no female firefighters. Women need to be realistic. I don't think there are any true feminists in a burning building or foxhole when shit is going down.
@@vanessac1721 explain women in military all around the world..Fighting war I’m guessing is more dangerous than firefighting
Have you ever seen a female FF?
@HelenaBlack80 yes, and one that speaks out about this crp is Lucy Masoud. She is now a barrister.
spot on Julie about rape, it's all about power not sex
She made them genuinely laugh, especially Francis his laugh really came out at one point.
Articulate, witty, informative, loved this. Julie Bindel's giggling was brilliant too!!
She ran from jesse lee peterson😮
"We should not be responsible for our own safety" is an untenable position. We are all responsible for our own safety Men and Women. People absolutely should not be doing horrible things, but there are horrible people out there who do horrible things, and if you put your safety in someone elses hands, then you never truly have it.
Not just foolish. It's a dangerous stance. This is the same tripe Jessica Chastain told her giant audience: don't do self defence because men should just not rape.
Agree completely, women are not children I’m sick of being infantilised
A child like one
It’s weird bc I understand what you’re saying butif you apply that to gang rape in India for eg it doesn’t make any sense. Certain things do have to be eradicated in society & people do deserve to live in a society where basic safety is guaranteed. That’s kinda the whole point of living in a civilised society.
Exactly. The comment I hear way too much is "men have to stop raping woman" .....like men for some reason in general support rape.
This is the kind of feminism I can not only admire but I can get on board with.
Working in a Housing Association where I here and talk to woman who suffer violence from men every week, this woman is a breath of fresh air.
As for all the faux ‘feminists’ out there….. they leave me cold.
Women like Julie are the reason I still feel comfortable calling myself a feminist despite being exasperated by 90% of what gets passed off as feminism in this day and age.
I was in sex work for a few years,made a lot of money,it was fine for me because I chose it,I knew why Im doing it and I was already a grown woman when I started.And I do consider myself a feminist.So it all depends on the person in it.We can't just categorize anything.
Well, that's what Julie said.
I would argue that the most important issue in the sex industry is the people profiting from it. The point about Dennis Hoff is strait on point. The idea that some random guy should be profiteering on women selling sex is disgusting.
Bindel not only believes all women should be "political lesbians" (lesbian by choice, her words), but she is just as confused about the differences between working with labour rights vs slavery.
An artist selling art does not become a slave because money is involved. Arguably, anybody who has known an artist has probably also known one that values their art beyond all else.
Bindel just hates certain women, she spreads this hate and hides her views about being merely a so-called "political lesbian" so that she can appeal to a broader base.
@@rara9770 No, that's not her narrative. At best, the 'happy hooker' is an extremely rare oddity in a cesspool of misery according to her.
In reality, the vast majority of sex workers like what they do most of the time.
@@MrChickennugget360 Well if they don't like working for him - they're adults, they can work for someone else or work for themselves no? It's a free country. If it's going to be a job, there will always be a variety of people making money out of it, men and women, at different levels.
Thank you for standing up for us. Once again we are returning to the time when men took away our spaces
As a woman...I'm hoping a male firefighter comes to drag my butt out of a building. Jobs that require a lot of physical strength are going to draw men more than women because they are inherently stronger...this being most of the time, but not all. It makes me angry that they lower the bar for women so they can meet "standards"...but they aren't really the standards. We do ourselves zero favors by allowing women to be "less than" in positions all for the sake of equality and diversity.
That's the whole problem with inclusion. If it was simply a myth that men develop more physical strength, it would be a non issue. But since standards have to be lowered in military service, police and all other physical work that serve the community, it makes inclusion a dangerous thing indeed. There are very physically strong women that would hand my ass to me in a fight any day, but sadly that's not the reality of a big slice of women. A very trained woman and a very trained man trying to lift the same thing will yield different results. And that's my whole protest to all of this as well. We can argue about sports any day of the week, but public servant organizations and armies should find suitable jobs for those who cannot pass the bar. There's always something one can do that doesn't put lives at risk in those occupations. Women are just as cognitively gifted as men are and should use their brains and abilities to use without having to do the exact same jobs all the time.
I literally fantasise about Henry Cavill superman wisking me away and for the feminist zeitgeist, that's a big no no.
@@rodholseth6354 I would recommend the hypothesis put forward by Eric Kaufmann on the Free Speech Nation segment of GB news recently. Here is part of what he said; " Cultural socialism is the idea that public policy should be used to redistribute wealth, power, and self-esteem from privileged to underprivileged groups in society-notably, historically disadvantaged racial and sexual minorities and women. The term “socialism” is used here in the European sense of egalitarianism..." He also said that according to Cultural Socialism, these concerns should trump the free speech rights of people.
@stormybirds Of course I'm not talking about barring women from military service. But the same standards need to be kept for everyone. Men and women.
Exactly, but the stand up comedians didn't challenge her on that point, they barely scraped the surface.
The Norwegian paradox shows that often, when all barriers are removed, the genders will align towards traditionally gendered occupations. Some people would regard disparity in occupations as a sign of some bias, when in fact it is the complete opposite. It is a sign of lack of bias and freedom to choose your preferred occupation and that in fact the genders have inherent preferences for different occupations.
I'm fascinated by this topic. Never gave it much thought and now I'm on board. Great points and with compassion.
This one definitely counts as an honest conversation with an interesting person 👍
- truely useful to hear JB's perspectives even if I disagree with quite a lot of what she said
- healthy exchange of views with the guys - credible pushback - but in good faith
Insightful as well as entertaining.
The only issue is, she was neither properly challenged on her position on sex work, nor Is there a will from Trigg to invite someone who is able to counter her claims just as eloquently as she's made hers.
@John Doe Everywhere prostitution was decriminalised you see a rise in human traficking.
The demand increases (guys feel less self conscious ab wanting to buy sex + don't fear the law anymore)
The offer stays the same (how many people would be willing to get penetrated by 5+ strange men a day for money. Would you?)
Because the offer stays the same but the demand explodes, pimps (many now reconverted into brothel owners) take women from other countries and bring them in trough coercion/manipulation/etc etc
I agree people shouldn't be responsible for their safety in cases they are attacked, but I don't think violence can be simply educated away. As long as violent people are out there, I will be taking safety to my own hands.
The ideal world can't protect against the real world.
That’s like saying we should be able to leave our doors unlocked and not get burgled, where as in truth our best option is to try and keep ourselves as safe as possible.
If you were walking down th falls road , in the dark , wearing an Orange sash on a Marching Day , you'd not only be a fool , youd be a dead one ! Personal resposibility is EXACTLY that ! It's the same situation in ANY walk of life , WHATEVER the context ; wearing a liverpool shirt inEverton , waving a flag , any denomintion , in the middle east etc ETC... Where did common sense reatreat to nowaday's ...
@@mickyvionsellinas6743 how is this moronic crap still a thing in 2022?
But that's thing. Its like telling the robbed that they should have taken precautions and not gone out of the house in the first place. Believe me women do *everything* to keep themselves safe, from pepper sprays, to tasers. Yet somehow we are supposed to vebso safe that we don't step out at all.
Hearing all this from an intelligent feminist woman helps a great Deal with healing my soul from years of female abuse. Thank you Lady!
What a brilliant rational woman.
She is still a radical feminist tho. That in itself is wrong.
Men are not the only perpetrators of r*pe and violent crime. Women are not the only victims. Penis is not needed to commit a r*pe, even though feminist pushed the definition of r*pe that excluded female perpetrators.
Feminists almost never care about men or hold women accountable, especially radical feminists.
She ain’t that rational
She is. You just need to listen first@@manniefresh3425
Never heard her before, disagreed with a couple of her points, but damn, she’s cool, I wanna buy her a pint, hang out and argue with her 😎.
I even heard she has chilled out on the 'everything is socially constructed' BS and at least she is willing to have a conversation.
I first heard of her when she had a debate with Milo Yan.....whatever his name is about 5 years ago now
She's been a feminist long before most the intersectional feminist college students who get her cancelled have been alive.
Just argue with a brick wall, it has the same ability to make intelligent points.
@Suicide Booth Destroyed? You sound like a complete pillock.
@Suicide Booth milo I'd ridiculous he couldn't destroy anyone.
This was fascinating! The views I held about prostitution have been challenged and changed from this interview. Love what you guys do. Thank you for this dialogue.
They’re not challenged really, I just see the deliberate omissions and misrepresentations that she makes. I really would like to see a sex work activist being invented in the show, that would show them as truly unbiased.
@@joanna9215 Yeah, I'd like to see someone from the other side make a rebuttle and I'm also aware of some of the information she omitted but she still made some points I hadn't thought about before as I have watched plenty sex worker advocates in the past.
I am curious which point she makes about prostitution is the one that changed your perspective? She literally changed nothing of mine so curious to know…
@@joanna9215 Being available for men 24/4 to be paid to get raped is not work
@@joanna9215 Mainly about the legalisation of it. TBH I don't agree with sex work. I don't think women should be subjected to it and I don't feel men should, as Julie says, feel they have a right to sex in any way but I've never wanted to shame anyone and thought legalisation would help make it safer in many ways. However in legalising it it also destigmatises it and would make it more accessible. Considering the percentage of people who use these services in countries where it has been legalised or at least decriminalised (30-40%) to the percentage in countries where it is still illegal (I can't remember if the 11% was for the UK or the US) and the blatant corruption of how 'pimps' could and would find ways to continue being abusive and dangerous I don't feel the argument of safety is strong enough to legalise it in terms of the harm it could do in other ways. Safety is of course a serious issue that I feel should be tackled in other ways than legalisation.
Such a great interview. Thanks for having Julie on.
Great conversation! Wonderful to listen to 3 intelligent, reasonable, honest people having a discussion about crucial issues. Don't agree with everything Julie says but she's truly amazing ❤ one of my favourite Triggernometry podcasts
Julie Bindel is not honest.
julie bindel is such a smart, interesting woman and it's great hearing her speak. thank you for having her on.
I was a child during the 70s when Sutcliffe was at large. I knew that most of the women were prostitutes, and had had it explained what that was, but as a kid of 10 or 11 my immediate thought was to be abhorred by what he had done, not to judge the women for their life style or choices. Kids don't have prejudice. We learn it from adults.
@@loganblackwood2922They say it is better to remain silent and let people think you a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
You are a self confessed idiot.
Ask your mummy, a teacher or your carer to define the word 'learn'.
When children are born they know nothing. They have a few instincts, however in their formative years, everything they learn is from the adults around them. Especially their thinking system. Clearly you were brought up by morons and have not been taught a thinking system.
I was a kid in Bradford when the Ripper was murdering women. I was terrified he'd get my mum or my aunts. Those dark winter nights were bleak, cold and sinister.
Kids dont have prejudice ? that has to be the stupidest thing ive ever heard.. trying being DIFFERENT at school, u will see how many prejudice children really have..
@@CreamNall_ They are not born with them. They learn them. Try doing some learning yourself. It will save you from being a big fat moron.
@@CreamNall_the ability for prejudice is a useful thing we're born with and it's meant to protect us and our group, but which we're often shaped to use it wrongly. It's something we need to be aware of, as all our more dangerous instincts, not to tramp down our instincts, but to use them in ways which aren't stupid. We also are born with instincts to make friends with unusual people -- *if* we can recognize when it's safe to do so, because it also can be useful.
Could we get Julie Bindel back for a part 2 - it'd be very interesting to hear what the lads would talk about now they understand the terminology and ideas around feminism, etc. This is one of my favourite trigg vids.
A sad moment in my life was when I saw on FB that my former high school sweetheart, was using hookers. He was so corrupt that he was boasting about it to his fellow corporate psycho pals in Houston. I wondered if he was always an evil man? He has two failed marriages behind him so far.
That's why he was using hookers, going straight to reality without the BS.
Lmao, so a man is evil because he doesn't want to get suckered into a third marriage in order to get some poon? You're not entitled to marriage sweety.
@@ArcanumAscentwell, other than using someone else's body to masterbate, I guess there's nothing wrong with it. 😂
maybe loving those two women were not possible because they're disgusting.
@@bigglyguy8429 There is no reality in having to pay for it. lt's just empty. Empty sex and empty life. People are clueless if they think it doesn't affect their mind and soul.
St George was not Turkish. He was an Hellenic Greek from Cappadocia, who move to Syria, his mother's homeland, nearly 1000 years before the Turkic invasion of Anatolia.
(Sorry, this is a personal hobby horse of mine).
Thanks for the info. He's quite the complex character our Holy Patron.
@@Redrosewitch Every year in England, on St George's day, we get the same media commentators (usually in The Guardian) banging on that St George was actually Turkish. It drives me bonkers because a) he just wasn't and b) if you are going to construct a "gotcha" statement about Englishness, you really should get your facts right.
So I shook my head most gravely when Francis said it in the ad. All those Guardian articles on St George's Day just flashed through my head, which was a very unpleasant experience.
A crazy amount of things I disagree with her about however, this is how you legitimise yourself as a rational, interesting, thought-provoking and truly progressive channel. You have people on with all kinds of opinions and you discuss the topic like adults. I feel Konstantin wanted to push back on more things (I could be wrong) but he recognised that this person has been invited to take part in a conversation not a debate. Bravo fellas, great content.
Yes. It's great that they talk to so many different people, not all of who they agree with. But they give them all a fair hearing and a place to say what they need to.
I can't say I like Julie Bindel, And I disagree with her in many ways. But she does make some perfectly good points that need bringing up.
Excellent point. These are meant to be conversations not debates. You have to let some stuff (even a lot of stuff) go in order to keep it on the level without people getting triggered. Cos triggered is actually a thing! Even if it's overused now and thrown around as an excuse to not even try to listen.
You mean like Joe Rogan? Don't worry people will seek to cancel them shortly
The point is we listened. I don't listen to screeching threats delivered by purple haired maniacs.
She certainly loves accusing men of being entitled
I can’t get enough of this woman! I love everything that comes out of her mouth- my favorite Trig interview to date!
Well done guys👏👏… Love love love Julie Bindell, so articulate and intelligent, hoping she gets into politics, A SAFE PAIR OF HANDS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS🌟❤️💐
Wow, she's just changed my mind on a few things, and raised question marks over a few others 😊 many thanks again gyz
What an excellent idea to have Julie Bindel on! Whether you agree with her and her hard-core manner, she is a woman on a mission who knows her stuff and has so much to say! Thank you!
She's full of shit.
This old gal is authentic as they come..
This lady is so intelligent. The more I listen to her the more I like what she has to say.
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?
Why do women kill there children far more then men , and fathers not to see there children ,,,, lets bang on about that ,,, Australia ,,,
34:55 "It's never a midrange dictator." I LOVE that!
This interview was FANTASTIC!!! I love how composed and anything but condescending she was. I left with a better understanding of true feminism. I really like this woman!! 👏
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like she says the "modern progressive" feminists are not feminists.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, but I do think she is probably the most reasonable feminist I've ever heard. So props to her
I had to stop at 17 min in.
- I hate the cherry picking. Most men don't get away with murder with the excuse of depression and some women also get away with leniency that isn't deserved.
- Everyone should be responsible for their own safety, as no one else has more agency. You can't expect there to be no evil people, and you can't expect someone else to be responsible for your safety just because they have the same gender.
- Women who stay in abusive relationships when they can leave are the victims and aren't responsible for the offending, but they did choose not to take the opportunity to get themselves out of that horrible situation.
You made it 17 minutes? You deserve a medal. lol
@@geroldgrimel4811true but if ugot no money you live in a tent under a bridge or stay with abusive partner but its the female who picked the wrong guy to be with yes a cynical view.
Julie Bildel, what a fantastic guest. I had never heard of her before, thanks for bringing her on and providing this platform :)
How unexpected was that ?!
It turns out that the bitter, demonic, twisted, anti-male, 3rd waver, ACTUALLY ISN’T any of those things!
What’s more, it turns out that I actually share almost ALL her most central values!!
And more surprisingly, she fiercely disapproves of many of the same divisive and self-seeking views (and proponents of those views) which I loathe !!!
Amongst your best work guys - thanks for opening my eyes on this one, and smashing at least one worthless stereotype 👍🏼👍🏼
What an impressive guest.
Well said! She is wonderful
Totally agree
She's a homophobe
She’s 2nd wave not 3rd wave but yes
@@Aarenbyshe’s literally a lesbian you loon
It's not sexism that firefighter suits were made for males. It is sexism to become aware of that problem and not seek to rectify it.
Exactly! I was looking for THIS
Should females be fire fighters? I suppose if they can pass all phycial requirements the same as the male fire fighters that would be fine, but most women are not as physically strong by men. Seems reasonable that most fire fighters are and should be men.
@@brendancoulter5761yep. Just like the actual policing side of the police. It's a meme the amount of arrests policewomen are overpowered by. We should be behind the scenes working with victims and whatnot.
If they can get in without standards being changed then sure.
1:12:58 why is it only applies to 'male partners'? female partners are also perfectly capable of coercion, manipulation and blackmail and do it freely and willingly to both women and men, but we don't see Julie calling them r**ists now, do we?
Great interview. I always thought of myself as a Feminist growing up. Probably in the same anemic way most "nice" people would claim to be Feminists. I saw women as the different but equal sex and saw no reason for shoddy treatment for either. Some people calling themselves "Amazon feminists" like Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Summers made a lot of sense to me. But those weren't the Feminists I met in person. Those were all of the "Victim Feminism" variety like Lacy Hunt or Anita Sarkesian. Then came the Gender Critical 4th Wave, making up new words and rules so fast no reasonable person could keep up. We've gone so far towards the direction of "harm avoidance" that we no-longer seem to care whether we are able to be productive and to defend our culture. Our days are numbered and this infighting is part of that.
Egalitarian seems like a more fitting description, tbh. "Feminist" is too divisive and carries a lot of negative baggage for me - especially after what I've learned about the movement over the years.
Hear, hear.
Camille Paglia is no feminist. She writes about and women's issues and that's it. She thinks that young middle class women should stop complaining about sexual harassment from men claiming that young working class women know how to deal with it. No, they don't. They accept it and when asked to jump by a man they ask "How high?" It doesn't occur to them to complain.
Never be a male feminist.
@@lemsip207 Camille Paglia is an intellectual that thinks beyond the narrow confines of feminism. She stopped at equal rights feminism and never joined man hating 3rd wave feminism or the cultural Marxist equity 4th wave. I’m with her.
Such a positive exchange. Julie's shoes are the bomb. Her ideas are uplifting, and the Trig lads remain alright by me. Keep on!
Agree about the shoes!
Not all her ideas are uplifting, though.
Her idea's are kind of lunatic and hateful though. She pretty clearly has a deep hatred of men.
@@jamesespinosa690 She has a deep hatred of men who rape and kill women.
If she demands that non-biological women have fewer rights than biological females, the same is true of women who circumvent their biology with contraceptive drugs or non-procreative sex, such as lesbians.
Julie is one of the people who I see when I think of the word feminist. Proper feminist, she has her priorities set and works for them. It's so gross to see people calling themselves feminists (with stereotypical Twitter handles and behind dumb blogs and newspapers) when they're not doing anything and have the "title" of feminist just for clout, one of the many titles you "need" to get traction in their circles...
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?
Such a proper feminist she legitimately called for all men to be put in concentration camps
Loves this so much! Thank you for bringing her on the show.
Rape is rape, it is not a cultural thing and it is nothing that should be glorified or celebrated.
Consensual adult transaction is rape? Interesting .
"Rape is rape" -- who gets do decide on the definitions? It's like saying "killing is killing." That's not how the law works.
My aunt was abused very briefly she ended it quickly by sticking a knife to his throat as he slept. She woke him up and said remember sweetheart you have to sleep eventually, he never laid a hand on her wrongfully again.
Wow.
My mother said the exact same thing, I never forgot it. Never took crap from anyone, man or woman.
Snap, good for her, and glad that worked! Sounds savage
Good for her
I have quite a distaste for feminists ...but....this women kind of changed my beliefs quite a bit. She has some really good points.
Yet women put down women who choose putting their family first. Is that liberation ladies?
She's less distasteful than most, that's all I will grant.
This woman has a brand of feminism called "radical feminism". I don't actually like the name - radical comes from the latin word for root and she is a root feminist, not an extremist.
I learned most of my views on pornography and prostitution from radical feminism. Their critiques on BDSM and on trans ideology are also first class.
@@rethaf4387 Radical feminism is bullshit. Christina Hoff Sommers has debunked it over and over.
I'm in my 50s and grew up proud to be a feminist. But when I was a teenager, feminism meant fighting for equal rights. Not that men and women were the same, just that they should be treated as of equal value. As a girl, I wasn't allowed to do many of the things my brother was, as a woman (with an engineering degree), I was repeatedly asked if I was going to have children in job interviews, and definitely treated as inferior. In business, when I was usually the only female in the room, I was always asked to take the minutes in meetings or make the tea for all the men and when I stood up for myself I was shunned as being 'difficult'. All I wanted was for men and women to be treated as equals. Today's 'feminists', who stand up for men to take over women's spaces, sport and rights, clearly don't have a clue. This conversation was fascinating. Thank you.
Feminism is bullshit.
She actually brought me to tears when she said “we don’t believe that boys are programmed from birth to hate women”. She’s absolutely right and while I’m heterosexual, I’ve always fought against how I was expected by “society” to be. A fine humanist.
That's nonsense It's not true that society expects us to hate woman or that there is that prejudice against us. It's a small minority of radical, woke feminists who think that. Most people (who are all mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters,...) think (luckily) differently.
Dry your tears and get back to yourself. The world is not as bad as a small minority wants you to believe.
@@thewatchtower8330 Until you have to enter the government policy created by them. Then you enter a Kafka-esque nightmare that many don’t escape with their lives from.
It is scary that her awful statement is considered a positive one.
What society were you raised in that expected you to hate women?
@@siggyincr7447 Well it wasn’t a fairytale land. You must be brand new. No man of a certain age would ever make a comment like that.
Thanks for doing this boys, love Bindel. Don’t always agree with her but she truly cares about vulnerable women, and has always put in the hard work.
She doesn’t care about vulnerable women, like anyone supporting the Nordic Model. She pushes for solutions that create more issues than it solves. Plus, she refuses to listen to people directly affected by those “solutions”, pretending she knows better than them.
Everyone does.. Proving you can care about women and also NOT be a bottom of the barrel type of person.
You don't get respect for doing the bare minimum lol.
What does this “care” entail then, pretending to know better what the person wants, without asking them? Forcing people to accept “care” they themselves don’t like and punish them if they refuse?
Sounds like a bottom barrel totalitarian type of person.
Nah she just seems to blame men and take away reasonability from women.
@@joanna9215 fascinating 🍿
Brilliant interview. Thank you for having these kinds of conversations.
Great conversation. I appreciated the pushback. Not too much, and carried out politely. Well done!
This was a very civil and mature discussion despite some disagreement. A good model.
Very much so.
Which is why mainstream the mainstream media are losing audiences. When I watch an interview I am interested in what the interviewee had to say. I hate these combative, argumentative journalists who just want to push their own views. Formats like this allow complexity to be explored and ideas gone into in depth. All power to triggernometry.
Really fascinating and how refreshing to see an honest debate and open exchange of views. This is exactly why I love Triggernometry.
I loved this video. I've seen myself as a feminist for a long time, but have never immersed myself into feminist theory. I've never understood why people think that feminism = hating men. My experiences trying to talk about male violence where the response was along the lines of 'man hating feminist' were really people (many women included) not wanting to hear the truth. I can be honest about male violence AND believe that boys are not born to be violent and controlling. I believe that men are also the victims of male violence, a position which is backed up by research and statistics globally. I even believe that there are many men perpetrating violence who are really hurting, and if they had access to the right supports to alleviate that pain they would no longer be hurting the people around them. That to me is feminism. While feminism centres women's issues, addressing those issues benefits all not just women.
Beautifully said!
She hates men though, listen how she talks about male clients of sex workers.
The simple answer about the firefighter thing is this: if the firefighting job is open to men and women, expecting her to just deal with a men’s uniform being I’ll-fitting because men’s uniforms are the default, that’s pretty obviously telling her she’s a second class citizen, or at least doesn’t have equal consideration, right? That’s sexism, just in the basic sense of a woman is being treated unequally in that situation, literally because she is not a man and the assumption is that she would be, so too bad.
I dont want this convosation to end 😭 I didn't agree with everything but I def feel politically homeless and I miss talking to people about their views without the need to get aggressive. I think she's incredible and I'll be following her career. Thank you for this convosation
What are some of the points you disagreed w?
She is amazing. I think all of her points had merit, even if you may personally disagree with some.
@@jacksonmcnuggets7488"everything is sexism"
Well yesn't. She's more benign about it, because she has different priorities, but dear Lord.
It's always so refreshing watching these kinds of conversations with different points of view yet being able to sit down and actually talk. No shouting, screaming, interrupting, or crying, just 3 adults discussing different issues with different ways of viewing them. Thanks, Triggernomety!
Great! What a smart, charming, well - spoken guest!
Don't forget she is a radical feminist...