What you say is very true. In much the same way Treadwell projected his emotions and views onto the bears, Herzog did the same thing. It’s fascinating how we see ourselves or our biases in the eyes of wild animals.
Then why were both of them almost completely consumed? Fast forward and just killing a threat ! That bear was still not in hibernation because it was still hungry and waiting to get to the proper body fat content prior to going into full hibernation.
No they will murder other cubs to bring the mother back in heat so he can breed her. Bears most definitely murder strange cubs so he can then breed the mother and pass his genes. The only reason they kill strange cubs is to have a good time with mom !!!
@@georgebella3139 OP stated they kill to exterminate a threat OR to eat, that’s it. He did NOT say they ONLY kill to exterminate a threat. He said they kill for TWO reasons - 1) to exterminate a threat and 2) to eat bc they’re hungry. So, not sure what you’re on about in your comment. From the description of the audio, it sounds like the initial bear that encountered and attacked Treadwell attacked bc it felt threatened. As it did NOT initially begin to attack to eat, but actually walked away initially, returning bc Treadwell got up and he & his girlfriend seemed to do just about everything they should NOT have done in that situation!! The bear attacked until Treadwell was no longer a threat to him, meaning he was almost dead or actually dead. His girlfriend had hit the bear w a frying pan repeatedly as it was attacking Treadwell. Then, she fled, as Treadwell urged her to as he was still being attacked and was dying. Her running most likely caught the bears attention and triggered it to give chase and take her down. Though we don’t know the specifics of how she was killed, as there was no audio to her last minutes alive. Once both were killed and no longer seen as a threat to the bear that initially attacked them, that bear along w multiple others consumed Treadwell and his girlfriend, as it was late in the season, right before they were going into hibernation (some had already gone into hibernation). So they had hyperphagia and were consuming what they could up until the last minute to prepare for winter and hibernation. The attack on Treadwell and his girlfriend was two pronged. The initial attack and killing, as they were seen as a threat. Then they were consumed by multiple bears, as the bears were experiencing hyperphagia that late in the season, preparing to go into hibernation, and there was now a source of food readily and freely available that no bear would willingly pass up on!
i got to say, this is the best cover of this situation. No generic scary music. No fake scary narration. Fair warnings. You don't immediately assume it was one bear like every other youtuber. No using the fake audio. You're as objective as possible. You deserve more views.
I really appreciate that. I hope that before long, this video will get more views. Thanks for helping out by watching and commenting! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I agree, Mike is exceptional at gathering facts and keeping everything matter the fact. He does him homework and he certainly deserves more following but unfortunately since he doesn’t sensationalize his stories and over juice them for views and likes they get overlooked.
@@HomeInWildSpaces Ehi man, I know It sucks to put so much time and effort in a video without reaching an enjoyable number of views. I really appreciate this project you delivered and the scientific way you approached the matter, being both respectful but not lame nor cringely cinematographic. Unfortunately, RUclips is not so happy when some images are shown in the video of its platforms/ when some words are used in their scripts, titles or descriptions. I think that's why the video is not pushed as the other videos where you discuss bears' attacks. Also, I think the thumbnail is great but the title could not immediately grip the topic you are gonna talk about (I admit that, without the thumbnail, It confused me too). Also, It's very long. People on RUclips usually read the first words. It is really important to check if your public is in the majority composed by English speakers or not, you may use simpler words in the second case. Maybe someone flagged manually your video? I mean, the problem may not be related to anything I've said until now, but I still wanted to warn you about it, you never know. Thank your for your work! Sorry if I keep saying "man" but I don't remember your name, I'm so sorry xD Ps. One last thumbnail advice : even if using a human face creates more interaction with a potential viewer, and you nailed it using a famous image such as the cover of "Grizzly man", using too many words in a thumbnail can be problematic. They may not be well readable from afar, they may occupy too much space, It's better to use between 4 to 5 words max. Better not using them, if you ask me. But more than anything, the lower right of the thumbnail will be covered by the time duration of the video, so It could also cut the text or whatever there is there. Again, I hope I didn't sound rude or conceited, It's an amazing video and I'd like it to see it more widespread 🦾
@dawning5285, I very much appreciate the feedback and your encouraging words. I am continually looking for ways to improve my content. I will very much look into making some of the changes you have suggested. In the mean time, thank you for helping boost this video by watching it and taking the time to offer your feedback. It is very much appreciated.
After running a animal rehab, the one type of person that you never hire or allow to be a volunteer is the person that will say I've got a special bond with wild animals. Take my word there is NO special bond between humans and a wild creatures. It's only in their mind and these people are the ones who end up getting hurt or killed, and getting the animal put down.
Plus the park rangers are a bit at fault too. There should have never been a second notice of his misbehavior. Arrested and not allowed back in. Try those tricks in Banff National Park or Kananaskis Park of Alberta and see what happens. Of course the second bear was curious, Timothy made it that way. And you killed it instead of spraying? not much of a hunter or preserver of wildlife now are they. He didn't die for the bears....he died because of the bears. I have never heard of an observer talking and behaving so childishly. Too bad.
@bevfrench3496 he was hiding in the grizzly Maze and he moved every few days so the Rangers couldn't find him. He thought it was funny what he was doing.
She was an intelligent, educated woman who was not dragged into anything. No one had a gun to her head. It was so obvious he was deluded about those animals, how she did not see that is perplexing. We have black bears where I live. Driven off by early colonists, they were reintroduced a few decades ago and are doing well. Last time I went camping, there were bear warning signs everywhere, and I didn’t sleep a wink. I don’t think I would have been able to sleep even if I had 20 cans of bear spray and a loaded shotgun next to me. I can only assume the girlfriend was as crazy as treadwell was.
@@geslinam9703 Society painted him as a bear expert. Back in the pre internet cell phone days just being on T.V. and writing a book made on a subject made you an expert. If everyone is saying he is an expert and he had done this 12 years running? I can see why she fell for it.
I have nothing but contempt for this manchild. He accomplished NOTHING except to make a spectacle of himself like a nuisance streamer, and unlike an attention seeking influencer, he got innocent animals killed to satisfy his undeserved ego.
No. He was just another idiot. I mean really. There are still, and have been, many idiots in the world. It's just a fact. This man knew a bear could, and most likely, will kill and eat you if you approach them. He studied bears. He, just like man idiots, thought the rules didn't apply to them because they are "special" .. and most all idiots are wrong.
Ever been up there? Its a huge area and most of its untracked apart from animal trails. He didnt call it the maze for nothing. Guy played hide snd seek with the park people for years. Its in the middle of nowhere. You cant keep someone out who wants to get in. Its not like a fenced in area with guards. How would you keep him out?
@@stevepalpatine2828 I spent 5 years in Alaska but never to Katmai. Now that I think about it, I suppose you are right. Might as well let the bears fix the problem! lol They probably figured the bears would fix it much sooner than 13 years. Haha! 🙂
'Killer bear", it's just a bear. The best way to avoid getting eaten by a wild animal is to not volunteer as a food source. The bear was just being a bear, the humans were the problem.
He really was a selfish, egotistical nut job. But I also don’t feel much pity for his friend that got eaten either. After watching 10 minutes of Tastewell’s videos it’s clear that you should never trust that man with your safety. How his friend didn’t realize this fact, after years of being around him, is beyond me.
What really struck me about the grizzlies in that area is how shockingly tolerant those bears were of Timothy invading their space every summer for almost 13 years. It says MUCH more about the bears than anything else.
Because of the abundant salmon runs. The bears are not only usually getting all the calories they need but they are used to humans coming and watching them feed on the salmon.
I suspect Timothy Treadwell had high functioning autism and his special interest was bears I say this as someone with autism and my special interest is nature and wildlife.The hyper fixation and intense curiosity can drive you to have tunnel vision and recklessly ignore dangers
And what difference would that make? Why does a name for a specific type of human brain make change anything? You are who you are and we don't need to label every one slightly different with bs medical terms
Nah he was an addict who switched from drugz to bears. He got high from it. It's not uncommon for addicts in recovery to develop an unhealthy relationship w/ a new fixation/obsession.
@@katgray63 so meaningless naming every slight behaviour as a medical term, it changes nothing. There is no correct way for a brain to work and they all work differently, acting like it's a medical diagnosis is just reductive
Questo era veramente fuori di testa( alla pari di quello che ha postato il video di mamma orsa co cuccioli in trentino espertissimo di orsi e lupi) peccato che questo è ancora vivo e vegeto evidentemente moooolto esperto insieme ha tutti gli ammiratori animalisti 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I disagree it's been people like this man that has given us all the knowledge of animals that we do have. Whatever happened out there to him and his girlfriend was unfortunate, but they knew the risk when they went in.They were adults.They have a right to do what they want with their life. We aren't all necessarily here to be our brothers.Keeper, give him good information and that's it.We go from there. People choose to do what they want to do.Then that's their choice. Just my opinion not saying yours is wrong.But in my opinion, I feel it's wrong.Jane Goodall was also told not to do what she did with Apes.But look what you know now because of her.
@@juliesmead5503I understand what you mean, but Jane truly comes from a point of love, not some egotistical, mentally ill reckless ex drug addict. How many apes have she caused harm? Zero. The fruits of her work says all. One legacy Treadwell leaves behind is that grizzlies are more merciful than we give them credit. They put up with Treadwell for thirteen years, and he's the one who got innocent bears killed. RIP bears. So unfair.
I can understand what you said, but there’s no difference than someone who swims with sharks or plays with snakes or even better drives a motorcycle or a car at high speed, which we all do people have a fascination with things that can kill them
Bears are very intelligent and emotional animals. We can't blame them while we act stupid in their domain. I'm sure he had a passion for them; however, having bears adjusted to human presence causes more harm to bears than humans in the long run. In the end, humans always win. They killed potentially two bears they claim may not have caused the death of those two people... Killings of bears based on the assumption that they caused somebody's injury/death while later the investigation showed it was the wrong bear, is not an isolated incident.
This is a very objective review of Treadwell's delusional thinking and subsequent demise, which also led to the death of his girlfriend. My Native name is Kiasax which means Bear on the Left. My name does NOT give me any powers to understand bears. My amazing wife was a zoologist in her first career and found working with bears was more dangerous than working with big cats. She's told me that bears were far more difficult to read than big cats. Her quote was funny to me, "Bears lie." Meaning that bears hid their emotions. She's right, too. In every encounter I've had with bears, reading them wasn't possible. Avoiding bears was always the most prudent way to survive. My best teachers about wildlife were my Piegan Blackfoot great-grandfather and my Cherokee grandfather taught me to stay downwind while in bear country. That went a long way to keeping me alive in any environment where bears were living. That, and carrying firearms, lol. I really like your approach to this topic. Treadwell was delusional, without question and his sad ending was entirely predictable. That he got his girlfriend killed too was inexcusable. I didn't have anything against him, so long as his delusions only endangered him. Thanks for your pertinent review. Nice job.
Exactly. I would asvise anyone trying to make friends with a bear against it, but ultimately i think it's their own place to make decisions for themselves. What I hate, is that he brought his "girlfriend" into his delusion, and got her killed. I don't believe for a second that he had any interest in any female, orher than for the optics.
@@671homey His girlfriend had a mind of her own & payed for her poor decisions. I would blame him for her death if he had tied her up & dragged her along against her will. Lets stick to the facts & reality shall we. If you decide to be a passenger in a car with someone you know is too drunk to drive & die in an accident .Who's to blame for your death? Ponder that for a minute.
If you've ever been truly dominated in an actual fight, especially against multiple attackers, you have some idea what a bear attack involves. There's a horrible exhaustion and despair. A bear, especially a grizzly, is orders of magnitude larger and stronger than the most powerful human. Without a force multiplier you have literally no chance whatsoever. When I see unprepared hikers it blows my mind. You can't bargain with a bear any more than you can bargain with a storm or a flood or a lightning strike.
Yep, that's the understanding I've come to after living in rural and remote Alaska for 43 years. Force multipliers work for me. Nice to have in a pinch. But I never overuse them. But they have definitely kept me from becoming a bear turd more than once! 😮🐻 👍
Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and almost fully eaten by a 28-year-old male bear whose stomach was later found to contain human remains and clothing.
@@delfaeevans7991 that bear’s stomach contained 25lbs of human remains. Treadwell and Huguenard were almost completely consumed. This was not a one bear deal. I cover all the evidence for this in the video.
I’ve studied Timothy at lengths, I don’t get why he thought those bears needed “protection” bc no one was poaching them up there, no one was up there harming them. So him saying he was a “protector” holds no weight bc they didn’t need protection at all
He pretended they needed protection… from evil hikers and rafters and hunters. That’s what gets attention. He saw the fear people had, packaged it as hostility because he got more $upport by pretending it was hate-fueled violence against all bearkind and it was at crisis levels and he was the chosen one and would save them from the evil DFW. And also… a ninja.
This is a great point. The bears are so protected and used to humans watching them, it probably was the reason he was able to get so close to them for 13 years without being killed.
The first time I watched one of his videos. I said “. The next time we hear about this guy. He will be dead by one of those bears” What he was doing was absolutely insane. That poor woman he took to her death and their families horrific pain.
The Grizzly should survive. The DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL. Didn't stalk anyone to their native land and invade their space. It's so weird that humans get hurt doing dangerous unnatural things on purpose.
@tonyquinlan7341 He probably wanted to survive himself as well. I think most people, who put themselves in these situations. Probably wanted to survive.
The first thing an expert on bear-behavior will tell you is that there is not such a thing as an expert on bear-behavior. They are all individuals with their own characters and experiences. Some are just cranky because perpetual toothache from fighting for instance. The ‘grizzly man’ despite his intentions did more harm to those bear by accustoming them to being close to humans as the interaction with the tourists proof. How he failed to see that his ego was bigger than his will to protect them was his biggest flaw in my opinion and cost the live of two bears besides that of his friend sadly. Also it influenced the perception on bears in distorted way. Enjoy wildlife from a distance, dangerous or not.
@@hermanrosenbrand2275 Grammar violations notwithstanding, I like this comment for the most part. I dont agree that blame goes to Treadwell for the death of his friend. She was an adult. A functional human with self awareness and she is the only person responsible for her choices and actions, unless they are made under extreme duress and/or force. She CHOSE to go back out there with him. Also, I think criminal responsibility is an interesting topic. For example, a person can be found not guilty of a crime if they are judged to be Insane, or to have been at the time of the crime. So, why wouldn’t that apply to Treadwell with his delusions and likely rampant Autism? I know this is not a court case. But society reflects its leadership in many ways and same moral code that dictates to our Judicians and Legislative branches, if not the Executive as well, of our government, also is adopted by the majority of Americans, especially if they are not first generation immigrants that are relatively new.
@ I can agree on being not that responsible for the death of his friend, still I feel she had not that many options being by herself and not able getting a flight home apart from checking into a hotel maybe.
@@hermanrosenbrand2275 Oh yeah, I get that it was not a simple choice. Many factors might have been taken into consideration. She loved him. Its very possible that her not wanting him to be back out there alone, because of her love for him and possibly she understood that he had delusions and that his thinking was dictated by emotion and mental illness primarily was influential in her decision, and HER decision it was. In that case, it would be most likely that SHE herself was guilty of this inability or unwillingness of the people of our time and culture specifically to place responsibility on the individual performing the action or thought. She would have been thinking Treadwell was unable to decide in a sound manner. This is almost certainly the case. The problem arises when she assumes that responsibility and determines to control the situation to get what she wants. This thought process is repeated between our government and the populace. Instead of allowing free markets, free trade, Rule of Law, The Constitution, etc to serve their purposes and then accept the accept the outcome with responsibility for each individual lying with the individual, the government says, for example, “if we dont force taxpayers to fund the Dept of Education, many parents wont get their children educated.” Once again, that is most likely true. But whose responsibility is it to make that choice. Not to mention that Federal funding for education is raised through an income tax that is grossly unconstitutional because it does not allow for the choice to opt out by not participating in the benefits/detriments either, instead of the sales tax which does allow choice and is constitutional. So this lack of personal responsibility and accountability directed inward or outward is the scourge of our time.
@HomeInWildSpaces well then you better do your homework because you got it all wrong. Watch the documentary by Herzog and you will find everything you need to learn. You're giving people the wrong facts and that's not right. If I knew how to post the video with the documentary I would but I don't know how to do stuff like that
@@GrammyofboysI am extremely familiar with Herzog’s documentary. Both what he got right, and what he got wrong. I’ve done my homework. The evidence is now here-for people who are open to hearing it.
A classic example of people assuming, wrongly, that wild animals are going to be friendly at all times of the year. When they’re hungry or seeking food prior to hibernation is when they’re most dangerous. This bloke was a nutcase looking for fame. I feel so sorry for his poor girlfriend.
Thank you Mike. I have followed this story for many years. Timothy was on the spectrum, he had no fear of the bears and truly regarded them as his friends. Wild animals have to be respected and protected, the wilderness is their home. 🏡
While I have known of the Timothy Treadwell story for quite some time this is the first in depth commentary and analysis of the entire storyline. Very well done. Respectful and informative. Thank you for your work.
I saw the pic of Timothy Treadwell and clicked. I took a look at your other videos and I Subscribed. I’m looking forward to watching them. Great video! Thank You ! Excellent Narration too. Video quality is Amazing !!
@@HomeInWildSpacesif you are going to do more videos and then you need to do your homework first because you absolutely got everything wrong on this video
I remember hearing about Timothy in college. We were amazed about this man living so far away with grizzly bears. I became obsessed with reading everything I could about this man and his life. I still have nightmares about his and his girlfriend's deaths. I read she was always afraid of bears, and knew Timothy was taking too many risks. That stayed with me.
I suspect that investigators are overthinking things, and that the bear's intentions were predatory right from the start. The short hiatus can be explained by uncertainty on the bear's part. Allegedly, one of the sounds on the tape was the bear's canine teeth scratching at Treadwell's skull. The bear was trying to deliver the signature coup de grace preferred by both _Ursus arctos_ and _Ursus maritimus._ However, the bear's canine teeth were too worn down to offer purchase, and Treadwell's skull kept slipping out of grasp. The supposition that Amie's screams triggered predatory behavior makes no sense at all. The bear knew perfectly well what he was attacking. After all, bears rank right up there with dolphins, elephants, and anthropoid apes when it comes to sheer brain power. Sorry, dog fans. It's not even close! The only reason the bear backed off was to reassess and come up with a better plan. Humans are not natural prey and quite often, when a cougar, wolf, bear, tiger, or even great white shark decides to prey on a human for the first time, the attack can often be described as 'poorly thought out' or 'clumsy'. Situations like the "Shark in the pond!" scene in the film Jaws can only be attributed to carnivores that have become experienced and refined manhunters - as creepy as that is. There was a cougar down in California that preyed on humans by hunkering down beside a cycling trail. The cat would pounce, kill the cyclist, leave the bicycle where it was, and drag the corpse away to stash. The cougar obviously 'went into his settings and hit repeat', because he would go right back to the edge of the trail and wait for the next poor sucker. The first kill was clumsy and awkward, the second went a little quicker, and by the third, the cat was starting to get the hang of it. The trick was to bite lower on the human neck than he normally would on a deer neck. The large, bulbous human skull tends to get in the way, and human vertebrae are the wrong distance apart for a cougar's upper canines (cougars evolved to hunt cervidae). The possibility that the cougar figured that out on his own while crouched and waiting is not farfetched at all.
@@RUDEMASTER Know what? The tape, you mean? I _did_ say "allegedly", remember? Allegedly, the reason Treadwell got out of the tent was actually to take a leak, NOT investigate a bear. The sound of the rain is heard, Timothy pissing all over Hell's half acre is probably not heard over top of the rain, but we hear him say, "Haha! These fuckers are gonna kill me!" He was very likely talking about the mosquitos. On his way back inside the tent, he was attacked. Allegedly...
I don't have the time to watch this in its entirety, but I've saved it for tonight and given you a thumbs up. You'll never know how much i appreciate the lack of music and banging drums, etc. Excellent narration on your part as well. Thank you.
Instead of asking biologists go ask Native people, tribal communities who live with these magnificent & wild animals. As Native people we have lived alongside the wildlife for thousands of years. They are wild animals. They can never ever be tamed. Use common sense.
The extreme danger, especially of Grizzly bears, can not be overstated. That said, they will most likely try to avoid you at all cost. And maybe even if they see you have some sort of a strange curiosity of what you are who you are and what you're doing. BUT, make no mistake about it, you can very quickly be injured, disfigured for life or killed or worse, eaten alive. These animals are to be admired, respected, and feared if you have any intelligence whatsoever?
It was bound to happen. I, as many others, thought his death would have happened much earlier in his haphazardly way of living with bears. Wild animals are just that, wild and predicting their behavior is never and I mean never, predictable. Sorry, but the guy had a screw loose.
It was an interesting presentation but how can we know for certain that the two bears killed were not the ones involved in the attack. What difference does it make? Treadwell was a tragic individual whose irresponsible actions resulted in his death, the death of his friend, and the death of two bears that he reportedly wished to protect. Maybe the two bears killed weren't the ones. Perhaps there were others, but, if so, we'll never know.
Yeah, I'd understood from this case that Timothy made a video with a bear in the days before his death, saying how this one wasn't acting like the bears he was used to it seemed more predatory (not the words he used, but what the words he used actually translate into bear behaviour). I understand that in the final recording he states it is this bear again. I also understand that one of the bears shot matches the description of this bear, and matches the video of it. I could be wrong, but I did read into this quite extensively at one point.
The absolute worst part is that he got the lady killed along with him. His ignorance cost 2 lives, instead of just his. Also Timothy NEVER thought he was a bear. That's ridiculous and I wonder why you said it?
Fantastically done but I knew you would do a good job. I'm an addict in recovery. It's interesting that bears both saved Timothy (from addiction) and killed him. As addicts tho, we often just change our addictions. Quit drinking, take up smoking. Quit opioids, start eating more. It's almost like he went from being addicted to drugs to addicted to bears. Thank you for stating that the audio going around is fake. People fall on swords saying it's accurate. Well done! I sent this to my sister to watch bc we both lived in Alaska for 5 months and knew of his story.
I really value your perspective. And I hope your recovery is going well. You can do it! I think you're very much right. Addictive personalities often transfer their addiction. Treadwell got some things right. He also got some things very wrong. There's a lot we can learn from his story. Thanks again!
Very nicely put together. I spent a good portion of my youth on Kodiak and Treadwell's sad story always mystified me. It's best to heed the real message it provides. Good job, I enjoyed watching.
@HomeinWildSpaces You know, there was a former Katmai park ranger who knew Treadwell in the comments section of another popular RUclips video, and if you could find that thread, he put out some really pertinent info that hasn't appeared anywhere before. He made a statement that heavily implied that Treadwell had gotten bears killed before he even died, in the 13 years leading up to that finale. From what the ranger said, a few of the bears were exhibiting behavior that showed they were habituated to humans, and that was concerning enough that the rangers put the bears down. He implied that the rangers believed that it had to do with Treadwell. The ranger also said that they couldn't legally keep Treadwell out of the park because they would have needed a judge's court order, which was next to impossible for them to get. It sounded like the judges were too skittish to do that back in that day. Not sure why, but maybe it had to do with being too skittish to remove somebody's right to public land without some extreme cause. The ranger said that things didn't change until after Treadwell died.
@@lilyw.719 I absolutely believe that. The real message of the Treadwell saga I was trying to convey was that delusion does not change reality. The wild is always wild and should be respected. The more you do what Treadwell did, the more you harm them. And perhaps yourself. I hope most understood that. I have sympathy for the death of Treadwell and his girlfriend, but they sadly did bring their fate on themselves. And sadly the bears. Only my opinions of course.
Interesting video. Timothy was on a fools errand in his state of dillusion. His end was inevitable. Thank you for acknowledging that both firearms and bear spray are simply defensive tools.
He shouldn’t have been there in the fall. The bears are eating as much as possible prior to hibernation. Huge mistake. And never ever keep or cook food at your camp. Never
He was mentally ill and people in his life allowed him to commit suicide by Bear, and caused many of Bear's to be killed, everyone who paid him to go on TV,or wrote about him in magazine are also responsible for the death of him and the Bear's
Terrific analysis of this sad story. You were fair and took all aspects into consideration,great job,this video should be more viewed. Subscribed,and best wishes.
My biggest issue with this guy, is he got his girlfriend killed. I read she was planning on ending their relationship. Too bad she didn't do it before a bear ended them. Treadwell wouldn't carry a gun, or even bear spray. If he was willing to be killed that's his choice, but to refuse to protect his partner was unforgivable.
As far as I know Bears do not possess an emotional part of the brain. People like treadwell like to see bears as big harry, fluffy humans, speaking to them with a baby voice and crap like that. Which nothing could be further from the truth. Bears have a brain built to make them survive, that is it! There is no snuggly Wild Bear at all.
Thank you! That is very kind. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and commenting! I hope you’ll check out the other videos in my bear safety series.
I cover that misconception in detail if you watch the full video. We know with certainty that multiple bears fed on Treadwell and Huguenard. Only a small portion of their missing remains were located inside the bear that was killed.
So last summer i went out to see these bears for myself. We chartered a plane which took us out to an open meadow several miles long. Thete were bears there, many bears. Our group had two guides and four tourists, they took us out to visit and look them over. We got close, about 60 yards but that was it. The bears were out there for the spring grasses which are high in proteins. That was as close as i ever want to be to these guys. This is a big business in Alaska as there were at least ten groups besides us.
I've always found it ironic when the helicopter pilot (Ron Swanson mustache, aviators) goes on about Treadwell anthropomorphizing the bears like children of the universe and then immediately turns around and anthropomorphizes the bears by suggesting they probably thought Treadwell was mentally re***ded. I don't know if anthropomorphizes is actually a word, but you know what I mean.
I live in NW Montana and yes we have grizzlies here. Treadwell showed us two things. 1. you don't have to fear bears if you respect them and their space. 2. What happens to you when you don't.Treadwell crossed that line one too many times, and he paid the ultimate price. I don't fear grizzlies OR black bears because I will never cross that line. I do however, fear mountain lions. Bears are scavengers, lions are preditors. Know the differance. In addition, I allways carry a firearm and a big one, for insurance and I attach bear bells to my dog's collars.
You live in a beautiful place, very similar to where we live in Canada. We are from the Kootenays, one mountain range west of the Rockies. We have since moved to a small lake in the rain forest and mountains of Vancouver Island. We are very familiar with bears and all the wildlife that comes with living in the forest. The black bear population on Vancouver Island is estimated to be between 7,000 and 12,000, making it one of the densest black bear populations in the world. WE LOVE IT! Our families have lived amongst wildlife generationally so we have experience in what signs bears leave and we leave if we see any. We always carry bear spray and have well trained dogs. Firearms stay on the farm. Wild should remain Wild so we do everything possible so bears do not visit our place. Enjoy your beautiful Montana!
@@delfaeevans7991 Thank you. I live 3 to 4 hundred yards from the Canadian border and two miles east of Lake Koocanusa. I love my Canadian friends. We are all north americans. Vancouver Island reports half the mountain lion attacks in north america. Be Careful. And say hello to Sasquatch for me.
The most accurate comment: “His false sense of self importance”, is what blinded him and put himself in danger. He thought that he was a protector of the bears or used that as justification to be around them when actually, he was interfering and harrassing their natural lives. They didn’t need protection, which Tim could’t provide anyway. He would have done them better by staying away. They became accustomed to people which is unsafe for both. There are others, like him , who think they are wildlife heroes and self-described experts. If you speak to them, tell them to stop and that they will die. They all die.
It’s illogical to describe the bear that killed the two people as some kind of criminal and needs to be tracked down and brought to justice. It was just behaving like all the other bears in its constant struggle to survive.
Let's be real. Nobody is skipping to the suggested timestamp. _Homo sapiens_ (along with his morbid curiosity) hasn't changed one bit since the days of the Roman Coliseum.
7:21 So he promised the bears he would take care of them. I guess he didn't notice that the bears were functioning just fine on their own for thousands of years. Not in touch with reality.
Imagine all the children he spoke to and how he affected their attitude in the wilderness. I hope school principals do better homework before they let people like this speak to students.
I wrote the 1st comment at the beginning of viewing this presentation, I do it often to see how much my view has been altered by learning a new perspective. Even though I had to look away during the animal attack scenes (like most people, cinema & TV have desensitized me a little to violence on humans, but violence on animals distresses me greatly), I thought this is the best presentation, on any subject, I have seen in a while. It was a very human and well balanced investigation into a very well meaning, but ultimately very flawed human being who found solace and redemption away from societies demons, a sentiment I can understand since I struggle with the same faults, substance and social. I will subscribe and look forward to watching other presentations, I hope your other content is as balanced and well made as this was. Thank you 👍💯👊
Thank you for this balanced and respectful look into the Timothy Treadwell story. I was obsessed with the Grizzly Man for a while. I read all the books and even donated money to grizzly people. I applaud you for your most interesting look into this mostly forgotten story. There will always be people who push the boundaries of life, for whatever reason. I enjoyed this very much. RIP Tim and Amy
Thank you for this really well made video. Your well researched, non-judgemental unbiased style is refreshing. Subscribed👌. I'm just glad we don't have bears here in Australia.
Great video/work! When the Salmon are done running the only bears out there this late in the season are hungry ones. The Grizzly Maze was the worst place to camp out!
Me and my husband were talking about this for whatever reason the other day! What struck me is that after finding it hopeless to help her boyfriend, she what? STUCK AROUND and LET HERSELF BE EATEN?!?!? So freaking wierd.
Amie really didn’t have any options. She was around 40miles from civilization. She had no defensive tools. There was no place to find shelter. She was surrounded by nothing but bears, alders, wilderness, and horror. Beyond that. The recording pretty clearly suggests she was attack immediately after Treadwell. After Treadwell’s death. There was nothing between her and death.
Good job! Very informative & easy to listen to. Timothy Is no different than the rest of us, just flawed in different areas. At least he was visibly trying to make a difference. He brought awareness of nature & wildlife to the forefront. To those who speak ill of him, they are the ones who point fingers and are the most disturbed inside. If you do not try to improve the lives and world around you, then you are part of the problem. In cases where people try to profit off the demise of others, karma is just around the corner. Nice job covering his story.
I watched the documentary years ago with my mom and dad and I just thought he was crazy. I understand he has a lot of followers, but it was crazy to think that he would not one day meet his maker. Wild animals are wild animals. What bothers me the most is the girlfriend.
Your analysis is thoughtful and makes a lot of sense. I also appreciate the respect that you show in this video to a human life and to someone who while misguided, was attracted to something many of us are. Very well done.
Thanks so much for your support of this project. Timothy Treadwell is a fascinating character. It's so easy to ridicule. Attacking a dead person is not fruitful, or helpful. But there is much that can and should be learned from Treadwell's story.
The Ranger & Pilot said the bear was shot and is deceased. That bear was then examined for Tim and his Girlfriends Remains. What was left they cremated. Tim's ashes were spread out in the wildlife area where he went every year.
I cover that all in the video, and the many reasons that does not mean that bear was the killer. The evidence is presented clearly for those willing to consider it.
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It ended the only way that it was going to eventually end. Leave wild creatures Alone.
True. That "one day" finally came. I love wild animals from a distance only 😅
Amen to that!
He thought he was invincible!---Sad!
Agreed! Treadwell was a goof who was responsible for his death and his girlfriend’s death.
This shows you didn't watch the video. He knew how to get close to these wild beasts safely. He just didn't care.
Amy's death is so tragic. She was scared of bears and didn't want to go, but Tredwell convinced her it was safe. Dude was an asshole.
I do agree it was tragic but she was a grown woman with her own mind.
@@MikeyNullwomen have no agency huh? How modern
@@AZTLANSOLDIER13 How was that aimed at women unless you required realise it such way to parrot nonsense as if some saviour of women
Facts!
Just the fact that she was his girlfriend tells you she wasn't mentally right either. Dude was a looney bin 🤷🏻♂️
Also Hertzog is anthropomorphizing bears. They don’t murder they survive. They kill to exterminate a threat or to eat that’s it.
What you say is very true. In much the same way Treadwell projected his emotions and views onto the bears, Herzog did the same thing.
It’s fascinating how we see ourselves or our biases in the eyes of wild animals.
Then why were both of them almost completely consumed? Fast forward and just killing a threat ! That bear was still not in hibernation because it was still hungry and waiting to get to the proper body fat content prior to going into full hibernation.
it was getting time to fatten up for hibernation. the bear that got him was new to the area and not used to his shenanigans.
No they will murder other cubs to bring the mother back in heat so he can breed her.
Bears most definitely murder strange cubs so he can then breed the mother and pass his genes.
The only reason they kill strange cubs is to have a good time with mom !!!
@@georgebella3139 OP stated they kill to exterminate a threat OR to eat, that’s it.
He did NOT say they ONLY kill to exterminate a threat. He said they kill for TWO reasons - 1) to exterminate a threat and 2) to eat bc they’re hungry.
So, not sure what you’re on about in your comment.
From the description of the audio, it sounds like the initial bear that encountered and attacked Treadwell attacked bc it felt threatened. As it did NOT initially begin to attack to eat, but actually walked away initially, returning bc Treadwell got up and he & his girlfriend seemed to do just about everything they should NOT have done in that situation!!
The bear attacked until Treadwell was no longer a threat to him, meaning he was almost dead or actually dead. His girlfriend had hit the bear w a frying pan repeatedly as it was attacking Treadwell. Then, she fled, as Treadwell urged her to as he was still being attacked and was dying. Her running most likely caught the bears attention and triggered it to give chase and take her down. Though we don’t know the specifics of how she was killed, as there was no audio to her last minutes alive.
Once both were killed and no longer seen as a threat to the bear that initially attacked them, that bear along w multiple others consumed Treadwell and his girlfriend, as it was late in the season, right before they were going into hibernation (some had already gone into hibernation). So they had hyperphagia and were consuming what they could up until the last minute to prepare for winter and hibernation.
The attack on Treadwell and his girlfriend was two pronged. The initial attack and killing, as they were seen as a threat. Then they were consumed by multiple bears, as the bears were experiencing hyperphagia that late in the season, preparing to go into hibernation, and there was now a source of food readily and freely available that no bear would willingly pass up on!
i got to say, this is the best cover of this situation. No generic scary music. No fake scary narration. Fair warnings. You don't immediately assume it was one bear like every other youtuber. No using the fake audio. You're as objective as possible. You deserve more views.
I really appreciate that. I hope that before long, this video will get more views. Thanks for helping out by watching and commenting! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I agree, Mike is exceptional at gathering facts and keeping everything matter the fact. He does him homework and he certainly deserves more following but unfortunately since he doesn’t sensationalize his stories and over juice them for views and likes they get overlooked.
@@HomeInWildSpaces Ehi man, I know It sucks to put so much time and effort in a video without reaching an enjoyable number of views.
I really appreciate this project you delivered and the scientific way you approached the matter, being both respectful but not lame nor cringely cinematographic.
Unfortunately, RUclips is not so happy when some images are shown in the video of its platforms/ when some words are used in their scripts, titles or descriptions.
I think that's why the video is not pushed as the other videos where you discuss bears' attacks.
Also, I think the thumbnail is great but the title could not immediately grip the topic you are gonna talk about (I admit that, without the thumbnail, It confused me too).
Also, It's very long.
People on RUclips usually read the first words.
It is really important to check if your public is in the majority composed by English speakers or not, you may use simpler words in the second case.
Maybe someone flagged manually your video?
I mean, the problem may not be related to anything I've said until now, but I still wanted to warn you about it, you never know.
Thank your for your work!
Sorry if I keep saying "man" but I don't remember your name, I'm so sorry xD
Ps. One last thumbnail advice : even if using a human face creates more interaction with a potential viewer, and you nailed it using a famous image such as the cover of "Grizzly man", using too many words in a thumbnail can be problematic.
They may not be well readable from afar, they may occupy too much space, It's better to use between 4 to 5 words max.
Better not using them, if you ask me.
But more than anything, the lower right of the thumbnail will be covered by the time duration of the video, so It could also cut the text or whatever there is there.
Again, I hope I didn't sound rude or conceited, It's an amazing video and I'd like it to see it more widespread 🦾
@dawning5285, I very much appreciate the feedback and your encouraging words. I am continually looking for ways to improve my content. I will very much look into making some of the changes you have suggested.
In the mean time, thank you for helping boost this video by watching it and taking the time to offer your feedback. It is very much appreciated.
@@HomeInWildSpaces Thanks to you for your hard work, you're more than welcome 🦾
After running a animal rehab, the one type of person that you never hire or allow to be a volunteer is the person that will say I've got a special bond with wild animals. Take my word there is NO special bond between humans and a wild creatures. It's only in their mind and these people are the ones who end up getting hurt or killed, and getting the animal put down.
Pretty sure my cat would eat me if she had to.
That's why we are well stocked with her favorite Fancy Feast flavors
Plus the park rangers are a bit at fault too. There should have never been a second notice of his misbehavior. Arrested and not allowed back in. Try those tricks in Banff National Park or Kananaskis Park of Alberta and see what happens. Of course the second bear was curious, Timothy made it that way. And you killed it instead of spraying? not much of a hunter or preserver of wildlife now are they. He didn't die for the bears....he died because of the bears. I have never heard of an observer talking and behaving so childishly. Too bad.
@bevfrench3496 he was hiding in the grizzly Maze and he moved every few days so the Rangers couldn't find him. He thought it was funny what he was doing.
Very true. I love even my dogs to bits but always remember that they're dogs.
Amy was Ride or Die for real.
The fact he dragged his girlfriend into this was so sad
tragic
Dude spend 18 summers alone with grizzly bears never got a scratch first time he takes his gf…………..js
@@leerogers630he was set up on an animal trail
She was an intelligent, educated woman who was not dragged into anything. No one had a gun to her head. It was so obvious he was deluded about those animals, how she did not see that is perplexing. We have black bears where I live. Driven off by early colonists, they were reintroduced a few decades ago and are doing well. Last time I went camping, there were bear warning signs everywhere, and I didn’t sleep a wink. I don’t think I would have been able to sleep even if I had 20 cans of bear spray and a loaded shotgun next to me. I can only assume the girlfriend was as crazy as treadwell was.
@@geslinam9703 Society painted him as a bear expert. Back in the pre internet cell phone days just being on T.V. and writing a book made on a subject made you an expert. If everyone is saying he is an expert and he had done this 12 years running? I can see why she fell for it.
Timothy Treadwell was an 8 yr old boy, trapped inside an adult body.
I have nothing but contempt for this manchild. He accomplished NOTHING except to make a spectacle of himself like a nuisance streamer, and unlike an attention seeking influencer, he got innocent animals killed to satisfy his undeserved ego.
@@davemccage7918 It's the age old fantasy..... "they took me in"
No. He was just another idiot. I mean really. There are still, and have been, many idiots in the world. It's just a fact. This man knew a bear could, and most likely, will kill and eat you if you approach them. He studied bears. He, just like man idiots, thought the rules didn't apply to them because they are "special" .. and most all idiots are wrong.
I agree,,, his baby talk he was very eccentric
@thatguyjoe007: Yeah. Just like Justin Trudeau.
They should have arrested him and kicked him out of the park to permanently and not allowed him to return as soon as they found out what he was doing
Imagine the hissy fit he'd have
Can you imagine him and Tiger king being cell mates? 😂
The story is bizarre but almost equally bizarre is how for 13 years authorities just let him keep breaking the law!
Ever been up there? Its a huge area and most of its untracked apart from animal trails. He didnt call it the maze for nothing. Guy played hide snd seek with the park people for years. Its in the middle of nowhere. You cant keep someone out who wants to get in. Its not like a fenced in area with guards.
How would you keep him out?
@@stevepalpatine2828 I spent 5 years in Alaska but never to Katmai. Now that I think about it, I suppose you are right. Might as well let the bears fix the problem! lol They probably figured the bears would fix it much sooner than 13 years. Haha! 🙂
He shouldn’t have been there in the fall. The bears are eating as much as possible prior to hibernation. Huge mistake
And to take his gf? Wtf😢
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He knew that too !!!! He even said he might die a few hours before he actually did
Wasn't a mistake, he was well aware.
Your First Five words said everything
'Killer bear", it's just a bear. The best way to avoid getting eaten by a wild animal is to not volunteer as a food source. The bear was just being a bear, the humans were the problem.
The bears 🐻 probably thought,that weird human is back,stay away from him, he's not right in the head!
That's what one of the park rangers in the documentary said. "The bears probably just thought he was gRetarted." 😂
I wanna be a grizzly bear but without the killing each other for the slightest thing
His filming was NOT a documentary on bears. It was a documentary on mental illness.
What bothers me about Treadwell is the fact that he put his girlfriend in danger, ultimately killing her. Sorry Timmy I have no respect for you.
He really was a selfish, egotistical nut job. But I also don’t feel much pity for his friend that got eaten either. After watching 10 minutes of Tastewell’s videos it’s clear that you should never trust that man with your safety. How his friend didn’t realize this fact, after years of being around him, is beyond me.
He got complacent. He'd been doing it 13 years he thought they were his friends. He was nuts
Timmy can’t hear your apology…he was bear crap years ago.
We was a mentally unstable narccaccist. Tragic for all involved. 😢
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Treadwell was delusional to think he was accepted and loved by bears.
Love can be delusional 😢
They did accept his presence for the most part. He's the only one to do that in history so...
They loved his flavor tho
What really struck me about the grizzlies in that area is how shockingly tolerant those bears were of Timothy invading their space every summer for almost 13 years. It says MUCH more about the bears than anything else.
Because of the abundant salmon runs. The bears are not only usually getting all the calories they need but they are used to humans coming and watching them feed on the salmon.
I suspect Timothy Treadwell had high functioning autism and his special interest was bears I say this as someone with autism and my special interest is nature and wildlife.The hyper fixation and intense curiosity can drive you to have tunnel vision and recklessly ignore dangers
And what difference would that make?
Why does a name for a specific type of human brain make change anything?
You are who you are and we don't need to label every one slightly different with bs medical terms
Nah he was an addict who switched from drugz to bears. He got high from it. It's not uncommon for addicts in recovery to develop an unhealthy relationship w/ a new fixation/obsession.
@@katgray63 so meaningless naming every slight behaviour as a medical term, it changes nothing.
There is no correct way for a brain to work and they all work differently, acting like it's a medical diagnosis is just reductive
Questo era veramente fuori di testa( alla pari di quello che ha postato il video di mamma orsa co cuccioli in trentino espertissimo di orsi e lupi) peccato che questo è ancora vivo e vegeto evidentemente moooolto esperto insieme ha tutti gli ammiratori animalisti 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Agree. And explains why he struggled as a child, long before addictions came into the picture.
If he was born 20 years later, he would just be an annoying influencer doing stupid shit for his own interests.
LoL, that's a great way of describing him. And he probably wouldn't have caused someone to get killed.
My thoughts exactly
We're brilliant 🙃
He should have been banned from the park for his recklessness!!!!!!
He was
Great point. I can't believe I have never thought of that.
I disagree it's been people like this man that has given us all the knowledge of animals that we do have. Whatever happened out there to him and his girlfriend was unfortunate, but they knew the risk when they went in.They were adults.They have a right to do what they want with their life. We aren't all necessarily here to be our brothers.Keeper, give him good information and that's it.We go from there. People choose to do what they want to do.Then that's their choice. Just my opinion not saying yours is wrong.But in my opinion, I feel it's wrong.Jane Goodall was also told not to do what she did with Apes.But look what you know now because of her.
@@juliesmead5503I understand what you mean, but Jane truly comes from a point of love, not some egotistical, mentally ill reckless ex drug addict. How many apes have she caused harm? Zero. The fruits of her work says all. One legacy Treadwell leaves behind is that grizzlies are more merciful than we give them credit. They put up with Treadwell for thirteen years, and he's the one who got innocent bears killed. RIP bears. So unfair.
He was - but went back anyway. Dude had a deathwish even if it was just subconcious.
Treadwell asked for his death, combined with profound ignorance and his misguided love for these predators.
I love bears too. I don't camp with them. The ones in my neighborhood are black and I've never had a cross word with one.
The Dunning-Krueger Effect on full display
FA/FO
I can understand what you said, but there’s no difference than someone who swims with sharks or plays with snakes or even better drives a motorcycle or a car at high speed, which we all do people have a fascination with things that can kill them
Bears are very intelligent and emotional animals. We can't blame them while we act stupid in their domain. I'm sure he had a passion for them; however, having bears adjusted to human presence causes more harm to bears than humans in the long run. In the end, humans always win. They killed potentially two bears they claim may not have caused the death of those two people...
Killings of bears based on the assumption that they caused somebody's injury/death while later the investigation showed it was the wrong bear, is not an isolated incident.
I got a phd in Bear psychology in 10 sec. Stay away from wild bears
Far more informed than this fool. I'm only angry that the bears have died since. This was classic Darwinism.
@stevemtc1,😀👍Love your comment!
This is a very objective review of Treadwell's delusional thinking and subsequent demise, which also led to the death of his girlfriend.
My Native name is Kiasax which means Bear on the Left. My name does NOT give me any powers to understand bears.
My amazing wife was a zoologist in her first career and found working with bears was more dangerous than working with big cats. She's told me that bears were far more difficult to read than big cats. Her quote was funny to me, "Bears lie." Meaning that bears hid their emotions.
She's right, too. In every encounter I've had with bears, reading them wasn't possible. Avoiding bears was always the most prudent way to survive. My best teachers about wildlife were my Piegan Blackfoot great-grandfather and my Cherokee grandfather taught me to stay downwind while in bear country. That went a long way to keeping me alive in any environment where bears were living. That, and carrying firearms, lol.
I really like your approach to this topic. Treadwell was delusional, without question and his sad ending was entirely predictable. That he got his girlfriend killed too was inexcusable. I didn't have anything against him, so long as his delusions only endangered him.
Thanks for your pertinent review. Nice job.
Exactly. I would asvise anyone trying to make friends with a bear against it, but ultimately i think it's their own place to make decisions for themselves. What I hate, is that he brought his "girlfriend" into his delusion, and got her killed. I don't believe for a second that he had any interest in any female, orher than for the optics.
@@671homey His girlfriend had a mind of her own & payed for her poor decisions. I would blame him for her death if he had tied her up & dragged her along against her will. Lets stick to the facts & reality shall we. If you decide to be a passenger in a car with someone you know is too drunk to drive & die in an accident .Who's to blame for your death? Ponder that for a minute.
So what? He died for doing what he loved. I assume that you ain't going to be that lucky.
@@mortaljorma69 he also got multiple bears killed while claiming to protect them.
@@mortaljorma69He died doing something he loved,being eaten alive? Treadwell was mentally ill so maybe.
Pride goeth before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall". Proverbs 16:18.
If you've ever been truly dominated in an actual fight, especially against multiple attackers, you have some idea what a bear attack involves. There's a horrible exhaustion and despair.
A bear, especially a grizzly, is orders of magnitude larger and stronger than the most powerful human. Without a force multiplier you have literally no chance whatsoever. When I see unprepared hikers it blows my mind. You can't bargain with a bear any more than you can bargain with a storm or a flood or a lightning strike.
Yep, that's the understanding I've come to after living in rural and remote Alaska for 43 years. Force multipliers work for me. Nice to have in a pinch. But I never overuse them. But they have definitely kept me from becoming a bear turd more than once! 😮🐻 👍
One new thing i learned watching this is that I never considered other bears participated in the act. It makes perfect sense, though.
Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and almost fully eaten by a 28-year-old male bear whose stomach was later found to contain human remains and clothing.
@@delfaeevans7991 that bear’s stomach contained 25lbs of human remains. Treadwell and Huguenard were almost completely consumed.
This was not a one bear deal. I cover all the evidence for this in the video.
Also, if a smaller bear makes the kill, a larger more dominant bear will come and claim the kill and eat the prey.
I’ve studied Timothy at lengths, I don’t get why he thought those bears needed “protection” bc no one was poaching them up there, no one was up there harming them. So him saying he was a “protector” holds no weight bc they didn’t need protection at all
He pretended they needed protection… from evil hikers and rafters and hunters. That’s what gets attention. He saw the fear people had, packaged it as hostility because he got more $upport by pretending it was hate-fueled violence against all bearkind and it was at crisis levels and he was the chosen one and would save them from the evil DFW.
And also… a ninja.
This is a great point. The bears are so protected and used to humans watching them, it probably was the reason he was able to get so close to them for 13 years without being killed.
It's known in psychiatric circles as a Messiah Complex. It was all about Timmy...not the bears.
Excellent compilation. What I heard in Treadwell’s dialog was a self-fulfilling prophecy. “I will die here.”
My Girlfriend and I watched the documentry about Treadwell and I told her he is not going to last long. Sure enough.
The first time I watched one of his videos. I said “. The next time we hear about this guy. He will be dead by one of those bears”
What he was doing was absolutely insane. That poor woman he took to her death and their families horrific pain.
The bear didn't kill Timothy. Timothy's arrogance killed him. It was literally only a matter of time as reckless and foolish as he was.
The Grizzly should survive. The DANGEROUS WILD ANIMAL. Didn't stalk anyone to their native land and invade their space. It's so weird that humans get hurt doing dangerous unnatural things on purpose.
He would have probably wanted the grizzly to survive.
@tonyquinlan7341 He probably wanted to survive himself as well. I think most people, who put themselves in these situations. Probably wanted to survive.
The first thing an expert on bear-behavior will tell you is that there is not such a thing as an expert on bear-behavior. They are all individuals with their own characters and experiences. Some are just cranky because perpetual toothache from fighting for instance. The ‘grizzly man’ despite his intentions did more harm to those bear by accustoming them to being close to humans as the interaction with the tourists proof. How he failed to see that his ego was bigger than his will to protect them was his biggest flaw in my opinion and cost the live of two bears besides that of his friend sadly. Also it influenced the perception on bears in distorted way. Enjoy wildlife from a distance, dangerous or not.
@@hermanrosenbrand2275 Grammar violations notwithstanding, I like this comment for the most part. I dont agree that blame goes to Treadwell for the death of his friend. She was an adult. A functional human with self awareness and she is the only person responsible for her choices and actions, unless they are made under extreme duress and/or force. She CHOSE to go back out there with him. Also, I think criminal responsibility is an interesting topic. For example, a person can be found not guilty of a crime if they are judged to be Insane, or to have been at the time of the crime. So, why wouldn’t that apply to Treadwell with his delusions and likely rampant Autism? I know this is not a court case. But society reflects its leadership in many ways and same moral code that dictates to our Judicians and Legislative branches, if not the Executive as well, of our government, also is adopted by the majority of Americans, especially if they are not first generation immigrants that are relatively new.
@ I can agree on being not that responsible for the death of his friend, still I feel she had not that many options being by herself and not able getting a flight home apart from checking into a hotel maybe.
@@hermanrosenbrand2275 Oh yeah, I get that it was not a simple choice. Many factors might have been taken into consideration. She loved him. Its very possible that her not wanting him to be back out there alone, because of her love for him and possibly she understood that he had delusions and that his thinking was dictated by emotion and mental illness primarily was influential in her decision, and HER decision it was. In that case, it would be most likely that SHE herself was guilty of this inability or unwillingness of the people of our time and culture specifically to place responsibility on the individual performing the action or thought. She would have been thinking Treadwell was unable to decide in a sound manner. This is almost certainly the case. The problem arises when she assumes that responsibility and determines to control the situation to get what she wants. This thought process is repeated between our government and the populace. Instead of allowing free markets, free trade, Rule of Law, The Constitution, etc to serve their purposes and then accept the accept the outcome with responsibility for each individual lying with the individual, the government says, for example, “if we dont force taxpayers to fund the Dept of Education, many parents wont get their children educated.” Once again, that is most likely true. But whose responsibility is it to make that choice. Not to mention that Federal funding for education is raised through an income tax that is grossly unconstitutional because it does not allow for the choice to opt out by not participating in the benefits/detriments either, instead of the sales tax which does allow choice and is constitutional. So this lack of personal responsibility and accountability directed inward or outward is the scourge of our time.
And did anybody else notice the coward in the helicopter that was shooting an animal from above wow that’s poaching
This dude needed a lot of mental help!!
Thank you for this...especially the balanced and sensitive way you wrapped it all up at the end. Very moving.
Thanks! It was important to me to get it right.
@HomeInWildSpaces well then you better do your homework because you got it all wrong. Watch the documentary by Herzog and you will find everything you need to learn. You're giving people the wrong facts and that's not right. If I knew how to post the video with the documentary I would but I don't know how to do stuff like that
@@GrammyofboysI am extremely familiar with Herzog’s documentary. Both what he got right, and what he got wrong.
I’ve done my homework. The evidence is now here-for people who are open to hearing it.
A classic example of people assuming, wrongly, that wild animals are going to be friendly at all times of the year. When they’re hungry or seeking food prior to hibernation is when they’re most dangerous. This bloke was a nutcase looking for fame. I feel so sorry for his poor girlfriend.
Thank you Mike. I have followed this story for many years. Timothy was on the spectrum, he had no fear of the bears and truly regarded them as his friends. Wild animals have to be respected and protected, the wilderness is their home. 🏡
While I have known of the Timothy Treadwell story for quite some time this is the first in depth commentary and analysis of the entire storyline. Very well done. Respectful and informative. Thank you for your work.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for taking the time to watch!
I saw the pic of Timothy Treadwell and clicked.
I took a look at your other videos and I Subscribed.
I’m looking forward to watching them.
Great video!
Thank You !
Excellent Narration too.
Video quality is Amazing !!
Welcome aboard! And thanks for your support! Much more to come.
Watch his yosemite and grand canyon vids. They are phenomenal!
@@HomeInWildSpacesif you are going to do more videos and then you need to do your homework first because you absolutely got everything wrong on this video
I remember hearing about Timothy in college. We were amazed about this man living so far away with grizzly bears. I became obsessed with reading everything I could about this man and his life. I still have nightmares about his and his girlfriend's deaths. I read she was always afraid of bears, and knew Timothy was taking too many risks. That stayed with me.
I suspect that investigators are overthinking things, and that the bear's intentions were predatory right from the start. The short hiatus can be explained by uncertainty on the bear's part. Allegedly, one of the sounds on the tape was the bear's canine teeth scratching at Treadwell's skull. The bear was trying to deliver the signature coup de grace preferred by both _Ursus arctos_ and _Ursus maritimus._ However, the bear's canine teeth were too worn down to offer purchase, and Treadwell's skull kept slipping out of grasp. The supposition that Amie's screams triggered predatory behavior makes no sense at all. The bear knew perfectly well what he was attacking. After all, bears rank right up there with dolphins, elephants, and anthropoid apes when it comes to sheer brain power. Sorry, dog fans. It's not even close! The only reason the bear backed off was to reassess and come up with a better plan. Humans are not natural prey and quite often, when a cougar, wolf, bear, tiger, or even great white shark decides to prey on a human for the first time, the attack can often be described as 'poorly thought out' or 'clumsy'. Situations like the "Shark in the pond!" scene in the film Jaws can only be attributed to carnivores that have become experienced and refined manhunters - as creepy as that is. There was a cougar down in California that preyed on humans by hunkering down beside a cycling trail. The cat would pounce, kill the cyclist, leave the bicycle where it was, and drag the corpse away to stash. The cougar obviously 'went into his settings and hit repeat', because he would go right back to the edge of the trail and wait for the next poor sucker. The first kill was clumsy and awkward, the second went a little quicker, and by the third, the cat was starting to get the hang of it. The trick was to bite lower on the human neck than he normally would on a deer neck. The large, bulbous human skull tends to get in the way, and human vertebrae are the wrong distance apart for a cougar's upper canines (cougars evolved to hunt cervidae). The possibility that the cougar figured that out on his own while crouched and waiting is not farfetched at all.
N this u know how????
@@RUDEMASTER Know what? The tape, you mean? I _did_ say "allegedly", remember?
Allegedly, the reason Treadwell got out of the tent was actually to take a leak, NOT investigate a bear. The sound of the rain is heard, Timothy pissing all over Hell's half acre is probably not heard over top of the rain, but we hear him say, "Haha! These fuckers are gonna kill me!" He was very likely talking about the mosquitos. On his way back inside the tent, he was attacked.
Allegedly...
We don't know how or why.........
That was a grotesque but informative comment. Just stay tf away from nature.
@@RUDEMASTERAnimals are smarter than you think.
I don't have the time to watch this in its entirety, but I've saved it for tonight and given you a thumbs up.
You'll never know how much i appreciate the lack of music and banging drums, etc.
Excellent narration on your part as well.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I hope you enjoyed the full presentation.
@@HomeInWildSpaceswatching now!
Instead of asking biologists go ask Native people, tribal communities who live with these magnificent & wild animals. As Native people we have lived alongside the wildlife for thousands of years. They are wild animals. They can never ever be tamed. Use common sense.
They did ask a few truth be told...
the wait is finally over
its here
Edit: this was a 1000 times more informative than Grizzly man could have been
I hope it was worth the wait. Thanks for being patient.
@@HomeInWildSpaces it was definitely worth the wait
Glad to hear it. I hope you’ll also consider sharing it.
The extreme danger, especially of Grizzly bears, can not be overstated. That said, they will most likely try to avoid you at all cost. And maybe even if they see you have some sort of a strange curiosity of what you are who you are and what you're doing. BUT, make no mistake about it, you can very quickly be injured, disfigured for life or killed or worse, eaten alive. These animals are to be admired, respected, and feared if you have any intelligence whatsoever?
The bears who took him out were CIA trained. The government had enough of his antics.
I gurantee you, bears do not need a human to look after them.
It was bound to happen. I, as many others, thought his death would have happened much earlier in his haphazardly way of living with bears. Wild animals are just that, wild and predicting their behavior is never and I mean never, predictable. Sorry, but the guy had a screw loose.
Very well reported and presented.
Thanks! And thank you for taking the time to watch.
It was an interesting presentation but how can we know for certain that the two bears killed were not the ones involved in the attack. What difference does it make? Treadwell was a tragic individual whose irresponsible actions resulted in his death, the death of his friend, and the death of two bears that he reportedly wished to protect. Maybe the two bears killed weren't the ones. Perhaps there were others, but, if so, we'll never know.
Yeah, I'd understood from this case that Timothy made a video with a bear in the days before his death, saying how this one wasn't acting like the bears he was used to it seemed more predatory (not the words he used, but what the words he used actually translate into bear behaviour). I understand that in the final recording he states it is this bear again. I also understand that one of the bears shot matches the description of this bear, and matches the video of it. I could be wrong, but I did read into this quite extensively at one point.
They shot and killed a bear protecting the campsite and found human remains inside it.
Bears arent bad, he had no business there.
Same as swimming with sharks or walking around lions in africa
You need to listen to more bear stories before you say they are not bad. Also, it’s our planet too.
I mean, the dude played a risky game with grizzly’s and lost. He got eaten. It’s pretty cut and dry
I will never understand anyone who lives among these animals and doesn't reserve the weapon's too use in a bad situation. Trust doesn't always cut it.
The absolute worst part is that he got the lady killed along with him. His ignorance cost 2 lives, instead of just his. Also Timothy NEVER thought he was a bear. That's ridiculous and I wonder why you said it?
Fantastically done but I knew you would do a good job. I'm an addict in recovery. It's interesting that bears both saved Timothy (from addiction) and killed him. As addicts tho, we often just change our addictions. Quit drinking, take up smoking. Quit opioids, start eating more. It's almost like he went from being addicted to drugs to addicted to bears.
Thank you for stating that the audio going around is fake. People fall on swords saying it's accurate.
Well done! I sent this to my sister to watch bc we both lived in Alaska for 5 months and knew of his story.
I really value your perspective. And I hope your recovery is going well. You can do it!
I think you're very much right. Addictive personalities often transfer their addiction. Treadwell got some things right. He also got some things very wrong.
There's a lot we can learn from his story. Thanks again!
Bears are absolutely terrifying and basically demonic just insane that there isn’t much you can do when caught by a bear.
Timothy did not tread well
🤣 punny
Tasted great though
Very nicely put together. I spent a good portion of my youth on Kodiak and Treadwell's sad story always mystified me. It's best to heed the real message it provides. Good job, I enjoyed watching.
Glad you enjoyed it! Treadwell’s story is incredibly informative. Glad I got a chance to discuss.
@HomeinWildSpaces You know, there was a former Katmai park ranger who knew Treadwell in the comments section of another popular RUclips video, and if you could find that thread, he put out some really pertinent info that hasn't appeared anywhere before. He made a statement that heavily implied that Treadwell had gotten bears killed before he even died, in the 13 years leading up to that finale. From what the ranger said, a few of the bears were exhibiting behavior that showed they were habituated to humans, and that was concerning enough that the rangers put the bears down. He implied that the rangers believed that it had to do with Treadwell.
The ranger also said that they couldn't legally keep Treadwell out of the park because they would have needed a judge's court order, which was next to impossible for them to get. It sounded like the judges were too skittish to do that back in that day. Not sure why, but maybe it had to do with being too skittish to remove somebody's right to public land without some extreme cause. The ranger said that things didn't change until after Treadwell died.
@@lilyw.719 I absolutely believe that. The real message of the Treadwell saga I was trying to convey was that delusion does not change reality. The wild is always wild and should be respected. The more you do what Treadwell did, the more you harm them. And perhaps yourself. I hope most understood that. I have sympathy for the death of Treadwell and his girlfriend, but they sadly did bring their fate on themselves. And sadly the bears. Only my opinions of course.
Interesting video.
Timothy was on a fools errand in his state of dillusion. His end was inevitable.
Thank you for acknowledging that both firearms and bear spray are simply defensive tools.
Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback. It's always welcomed and appreciated.
Delusion
Do not feed the bears...
FULL STOP
He shouldn’t have been there in the fall. The bears are eating as much as possible prior to hibernation. Huge mistake. And never ever keep or cook food at your camp. Never
Where u supposed to cook then
@ away from your camp.
( 2:00 ) Wait so did he actually think he was a Grizzly bear? 😂
He was mentally ill and people in his life allowed him to commit suicide by Bear, and caused many of Bear's to be killed, everyone who paid him to go on TV,or wrote about him in magazine are also responsible for the death of him and the Bear's
No,he caused his own death
This guy was a quack definitely had some fried brain cells
Your analysis is so thoughtful and informative.
I'm glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
Awesome presentation, thank you
Glad you liked it! Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Terrific analysis of this sad story. You were fair and took all aspects into consideration,great job,this video should be more viewed. Subscribed,and best wishes.
Thank you very much! Welcome aboard!
My biggest issue with this guy, is he got his girlfriend killed. I read she was planning on ending their relationship. Too bad she didn't do it before a bear ended them.
Treadwell wouldn't carry a gun, or even bear spray. If he was willing to be killed that's his choice, but to refuse to protect his partner was unforgivable.
Really enjoyed this, it was made with compassion while also stating facts. Just subscribed 💜
Thanks for subbing! Glad you enjoyed the video! Much more to come.
As far as I know Bears do not possess an emotional part of the brain. People like treadwell like to see bears as big harry, fluffy humans, speaking to them with a baby voice and crap like that. Which nothing could be further from the truth. Bears have a brain built to make them survive, that is it! There is no snuggly Wild Bear at all.
He trust and love those bears so much that he's constantly watching his back
This was so well done. It’s also the most honest & thought provoking assessment I’ve ever seen of Timothy Treadwells story. Outstanding work 👏🏻
Thank you! That is very kind. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I hope you’ll check out the other videos in my bear safety series.
For the algorithm. Brilliant video mate. God speed and merry Christmas!
Thanks! And merry Christmas to you as well!
From what I’ve always learned, that bear was killed and when examined, body parts were inside
I cover that misconception in detail if you watch the full video. We know with certainty that multiple bears fed on Treadwell and Huguenard.
Only a small portion of their missing remains were located inside the bear that was killed.
Yes I heard the same thing how do you question that??
@@RUDEMASTERI don’t question it. Watch the video for a detailed examination of the evidence.
So last summer i went out to see these bears for myself. We chartered a plane which took us out to an open meadow several miles long. Thete were bears there, many bears. Our group had two guides and four tourists, they took us out to visit and look them over. We got close, about 60 yards but that was it. The bears were out there for the spring grasses which are high in proteins. That was as close as i ever want to be to these guys. This is a big business in Alaska as there were at least ten groups besides us.
Beautifully insightful and compassionate view on this tragedy. Thank you, really excellent film😊❤
Best analysis of this, thanks mate
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
Treadmill was both responsible for his girlfriend and all of those bears deaths. None of them deserved what happened to them.
Wow!!! Such a different perspective on the situation. Very well done 👌💯👏
Thank you 🙌 glad you enjoyed it!
At Home In Wild Spaces Attn. Mike: I must tip my hat to you on this video Mike, so professionally documented ! Bravo! Job well done!
I've always found it ironic when the helicopter pilot (Ron Swanson mustache, aviators) goes on about Treadwell anthropomorphizing the bears like children of the universe and then immediately turns around and anthropomorphizes the bears by suggesting they probably thought Treadwell was mentally re***ded. I don't know if anthropomorphizes is actually a word, but you know what I mean.
It's a word lol
I live in NW Montana and yes we have grizzlies here. Treadwell showed us two things. 1. you don't have to fear bears if you respect them and their space. 2. What happens to you when you don't.Treadwell crossed that line one too many times, and he paid the ultimate price. I don't fear grizzlies OR black bears because I will never cross that line. I do however, fear mountain lions. Bears are scavengers, lions are preditors. Know the differance. In addition, I allways carry a firearm and a big one, for insurance and I attach bear bells to my dog's collars.
You live in a beautiful place, very similar to where we live in Canada. We are from the Kootenays, one mountain range west of the Rockies. We have since moved to a small lake in the rain forest and mountains of Vancouver Island. We are very familiar with bears and all the wildlife that comes with living in the forest. The black bear population on Vancouver Island is estimated to be between 7,000 and 12,000, making it one of the densest black bear populations in the world. WE LOVE IT! Our families have lived amongst wildlife generationally so we have experience in what signs bears leave and we leave if we see any. We always carry bear spray and have well trained dogs. Firearms stay on the farm. Wild should remain Wild so we do everything possible so bears do not visit our place. Enjoy your beautiful Montana!
@@delfaeevans7991 Thank you. I live 3 to 4 hundred yards from the Canadian border and two miles east of Lake Koocanusa. I love my Canadian friends. We are all north americans. Vancouver Island reports half the mountain lion attacks in north america. Be Careful. And say hello to Sasquatch for me.
The most accurate comment: “His false sense of self importance”, is what blinded him and put himself in danger. He thought that he was a protector of the bears or used that as justification to be around them when actually, he was interfering and harrassing their natural lives. They didn’t need protection, which Tim could’t provide anyway. He would have done them better by staying away. They became accustomed to people which is unsafe for both. There are others, like him , who think they are wildlife heroes and self-described experts. If you speak to them, tell them to stop and that they will die. They all die.
You have to be a full fledged fool to think the bears couldn't see weakness the second they saw him.
It’s illogical to describe the bear that killed the two people as some kind of criminal and needs to be tracked down and brought to justice. It was just behaving like all the other bears in its constant struggle to survive.
Let's be real. Nobody is skipping to the suggested timestamp. _Homo sapiens_ (along with his morbid curiosity) hasn't changed one bit since the days of the Roman Coliseum.
7:21 So he promised the bears he would take care of them.
I guess he didn't notice that the bears were functioning just fine on their own for thousands of years.
Not in touch with reality.
Only a fool would camp or even be in bear country without a gun
Outstanding, you make many great observations and provide graceful analysis. I'm subscribing
Well covered and done with class ✅
Thank you! It's been a journey.
Imagine all the children he spoke to and how he affected their attitude in the wilderness. I hope school principals do better homework before they let people like this speak to students.
Thanks for treating his story fairly and respectfully.
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
I wrote the 1st comment at the beginning of viewing this presentation, I do it often to see how much my view has been altered by learning a new perspective. Even though I had to look away during the animal attack scenes (like most people, cinema & TV have desensitized me a little to violence on humans, but violence on animals distresses me greatly), I thought this is the best presentation, on any subject, I have seen in a while. It was a very human and well balanced investigation into a very well meaning, but ultimately very flawed human being who found solace and redemption away from societies demons, a sentiment I can understand since I struggle with the same faults, substance and social. I will subscribe and look forward to watching other presentations, I hope your other content is as balanced and well made as this was. Thank you 👍💯👊
Well said. Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you for this balanced and respectful look into the Timothy Treadwell story. I was obsessed with the Grizzly Man for a while. I read all the books and even donated money to grizzly people. I applaud you for your most interesting look into this mostly forgotten story. There will always be people who push the boundaries of life, for whatever reason. I enjoyed this very much. RIP Tim and Amy
That is high praise. Thank you! So glad you found the video informative.
Thank you for this really well made video. Your well researched, non-judgemental unbiased style is refreshing.
Subscribed👌.
I'm just glad we don't have bears here in Australia.
Welcome aboard!
Great video/work! When the Salmon are done running the only bears out there this late in the season are hungry ones. The Grizzly Maze was the worst place to camp out!
Me and my husband were talking about this for whatever reason the other day! What struck me is that after finding it hopeless to help her boyfriend, she what? STUCK AROUND and LET HERSELF BE EATEN?!?!? So freaking wierd.
Amie really didn’t have any options. She was around 40miles from civilization. She had no defensive tools. There was no place to find shelter. She was surrounded by nothing but bears, alders, wilderness, and horror.
Beyond that. The recording pretty clearly suggests she was attack immediately after Treadwell.
After Treadwell’s death. There was nothing between her and death.
Good job! Very informative & easy to listen to. Timothy Is no different than the rest of us, just flawed in different areas. At least he was visibly trying to make a difference. He brought awareness of nature & wildlife to the forefront. To those who speak ill of him, they are the ones who point fingers and are the most disturbed inside. If you do not try to improve the lives and world around you, then you are part of the problem. In cases where people try to profit off the demise of others, karma is just around the corner. Nice job covering his story.
I watched the documentary years ago with my mom and dad and I just thought he was crazy. I understand he has a lot of followers, but it was crazy to think that he would not one day meet his maker. Wild animals are wild animals. What bothers me the most is the girlfriend.
Your analysis is thoughtful and makes a lot of sense. I also appreciate the respect that you show in this video to a human life and to someone who while misguided, was attracted to something many of us are.
Very well done.
Thanks so much for your support of this project. Timothy Treadwell is a fascinating character. It's so easy to ridicule. Attacking a dead person is not fruitful, or helpful. But there is much that can and should be learned from Treadwell's story.
The Ranger & Pilot said the bear was shot and is deceased.
That bear was then examined for Tim and his Girlfriends Remains. What was left they cremated. Tim's ashes were spread out in the wildlife area where he went every year.
I cover that all in the video, and the many reasons that does not mean that bear was the killer. The evidence is presented clearly for those willing to consider it.