The fact that the dad still tried to blame them even afterwards despite the fact that they didn't even need to go out of their way to warn him, especially the mom, tells you all you need to know about him. Enjoy.
Are you all actually taking a story like this at face value? How would two kids be able to "mismanage company funds" to such an extend the guy would go bancrupt? How would he not notice the people under his roof spending egregious amounts of money? Story is fake ... subpar revenge porn, cooked up in some basement-dwellers head
I have no idea why some of the reddit comments actually told OP that he should've "tried harder to convince his dad", as if that was still his responsibility. Dad got 2 warnings: 1 from ex-wife and 1 from his son. But he didn't listen to any of them, and now he has to suffer the consequences.
The evidence he was given was overwhelming too, but he refused to look at it or acknowledge it. But reddit will be reddit, there will always be the toxic "bUt fAmiLy" morons who never think you should hold family accountable for anything. They're the same people who would protect a family member who is a r-pist or a murderer rather than doing the right thing and turn him or her in. Coincidentally the people who cry "bUt fAmiLy" are usually the ones who keep effing up and expects family to always be there to forgive them and help them.
For real, one warning from OP was enough, having your ex-wife warn you about something like this, especially after the way you divorced is above and beyond.
Nta, you and your mother warned him. He made his choice and he gets to deal with the consequences. Plus he was not there for you for years, he did not care until he realized his mistake.
What I’m most curious about is if the grandparents that made the parents divorce are still alive and what their reaction to their son marrying someone so much worse is.
It annoys me that OP's dad actually tried to blame OP for "not doing enough to warn him" -- he made it quite clear he didn't want to hear anymore. The man was never going to look at the evidence, and was set on the results that came about. OP's dad may not want to accept responsibility for it, but he completely owns his current predicament.
Just from the title, dad sounds like a complete simp who has no trust in his son. Mom sounded like an angel. Okay I watched a bit of the story and dad just keeps getting so much worse.
He shows up homeless, hand him a cardboard box. "I'm sorry I'm not equipped to deal with idiots. Here dad, for your new edition to your house." An remind him of the past and the choices he made. Go to no contact because it's not your problem.
An uncle of mine was married for at least 20 years to his wife (i didn't knew her well) he treated like trash and when she died because of an illness, he got with another woman suspiciously quickly. His ex wife didn't Care about uncle's money (he's very well off) however New wife is sucking him dry and he don't even notice it because of how badly he love her. Uncle isn't a nice Guy, my mom once asked him if he was willing to help to pay for a small monument to my grandfather and he refused also when grandpa died, uncle was the first to rush to his appartment and take Everything that wasn't nailed down. As i said before his New wife is sucking him dry and it couldnt happen to a more deserving guy
From the story op's mom seems to be a non-nonsense kind of woman and dad is spoiled rich boy. What surprised me how why they hooked up since they're two clashing personalities. The new wife is a manipulative woman who know how to do things to lift his bloated ego (probably agreeing with him, giving praises and sex). Also I don't believe her when she said she wants her kids to reform. She knew her scammer children bring money to the table and she doesn't give af where that money came from
He took in his drunk dad when his dad wouldn't take him in and gave his inheritance to his new step kids whom squandered it. Some people just dont have a spine. It's crazy.
If the story is true, then OP went above and beyond in regards to his selfish, idiotic, narcissistic father. The Dad got exactly what he deserved and of course only came crying back to his real family when he lost everything to his new family. I guarantee you as soon as the father gains any kind of financial stability again, he'll probably dump his son and his ex-wife again like a bad habit. He and his new wife and his step kids truly deserve each other lol.
What a foolish man. He was warned big time about his new family being scammers but chose to ignore it, claiming his daughter was jealous. He refused to look at the evidence and do the checks. Now that he broke and homeless he’s looking to blame them for not convincing him enough. Boy bye 👋 it’s on you. It was your responsibility to realise the truth before it was too late
I mean, it only took having his fortune being taken away for him to even attempt to reconnect. Let's say for a moment that the stepchildren weren't scammers, he still disowned OP entirely in paper, and pretty much just confirmed it that dinner and simply bashed it on his face.
if I was OP, I wouldn't even have responded to dad at all. just let him suffer the consiquences of his disicions. I wouldn't entertain the idea of helping him one bit. tho I'd definately watch from the sidelines with popcorn in hand.
Dam, that father is trash and yet OP still tried to help him. If I was OP, I wouldn't even tell the dad anything and watch his life crumble. you and your mother warned him. He made his choice and he gets to deal with the consequences. Plus he was not there for you for years, he did not care until he realized his mistake.
Jesus. That man deserves an "I told you so" and not a bit more. OP doesn't have any issues to work through, the suggestions of therapy were misguided and are only going to make things worse.
He should help him with the divorce and lawsuit with low contact. All everything is settled, no matter what is the result, he and his mother has to go full NC. The father made his choices and failed meanwhile he showed his true colors in his actions.
I would have NEVER forgiven him. He still blamed them after “not trying hard enough” BRUH WHAT MORE COULD THEY HAVE DONE!!! He refused to belive ANYTHING! This was HIS FAULT! I would have reminded him on how he blamed the people who tried warning him he blamed them after trying to show evidence- he is only coming back cuz he now sees that EVERYONE WAS RIGHT!! He destroyed relationships. I would never forgive someone who would blame me for something I tried warning him on the situation. And claimed that I was “jealous” Yea no if I was OP I would not forgive.
On one hand, the wife and step kids should see consequences for their actions. On the other, the Dad doesn’t deserve to get justice for it. He was made aware of what he was getting himself into and then still proceeds to blame his son and ex-wife for not trying harder to convince him. All of that after he was a shit husband and father to them.
Ive got a similar story my dad started seeing his brothers ex wife she had been married mutiple times before my dad she was married to a guy in the army who ended up being stationed in Florida & she didnt want to go so she left him while with him she was messing around with my uncle ended up marrying him while married to him messing around with my dad i tried to tell my dad not to marry her but he didnt listen while married to my dad she was messing around with his friend ended up taking my dads house told the court they got it after they were married but he got it before he proposed he also married her no one even knew except her oldest daughter & her friends until after it was over she got a truck & house out of him while he ended up homeless & bouncing around from his friends to his sisters to me house until he ended up renting the house hes in now but because she told him she didnt want anything when he considered a divorce he got massively screwed over
All these rich people getting screwed over by partners have themselves to blame really. If I was rich enough then I’d be doing background checks on whoever I was getting with and making sure I’m marrying someone who isn’t going to just want my money or anything like that.. I’d also do a prenup🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ If you don’t put those things in place and just go off someone’s word when you could find out who they are beforehand then yeah obviously a big mess up
And yes I know some people who are rich don’t do it because they love the person so much or don’t want to invade that persons privacy but I feel like when you’re rich and can’t be sure if someone’s actions are genuine then at least put some precautions in place if you don’t want to do a background check on them
I don't understand why these channels aren't just honest about uploading AI written stories. They all use the same idioms and two-word descriptors like, "Finally after all my struggles, they'd see the undeniable horrible truth, and I'd be righteously vindicated."
You know what I don't understand to do with stories like this why the top comments try so hard to convince the original poster that they're so terrible for doing their best to convince their terrible parent who literally never listen to their advice to begin with on how they could have tried harder to convince that so-called terrible parent well sorry to tell you buddy just because you did your best to reconcile with your terrible parent and it went wrong and you think that responsibility should go into somebody else that has that opportunity doesn't mean it's always going to work and even then towards the end of the story it's still didn't go the way you thought it would have gone That's what I never get about those comments that try so hard to convince the original poster so thank God that the OP of that situation of the story in general didn't have a noodles find a listen to those idiots and put themselves down for it and actually what what the people that told them they did everything they could to literally warn their dad that he was getting took an advantage of but you know people like him never want to listen because they think they know it all
idk if it's you doing these minecraft parkour runs or not, but if it is, I'd rather rewatch old ones you've done than watch people in creative mode while I zone out listening to the story. The fact that it's creative is distracting. They aren't even getting close to the slime blocks man.
hmmm reconciling seems also unfair given that that, and his ability to see the errors of how he treated op and mom wont EVER be possible if he never experienced life shattering events like his step children plunging him on the ground. he wasnt a reliable emotional support(much less a parent) to op, and now that his' are done and gone, he hopes to have a familial connection after he neglected op that privilege all throughout his life so he can have an emotional safety net to fall back on? to trouble his former family to play a role in his miserable life AGAIN when shit hit his fan? i wont judge op if wants to, thats admirable. but i give big side eyes to ah sperm donor and the situation he brought himself in. though i would give sd credit and respect if he sort his shit out without involving his former family in ANY capacity, and then return to start his reconciliation journey with op and mom. the issue is if reconciliation is possible, op and mom shouldnt exert any effort until sd is abled enough, that should fall on sd alone considering he wasnt keen on any fatherly role before and was even vocal about it. fix his shit until he deems himself worthy to start
This video reminds me of the one about the guy whose girlfriend cheated on him with his own brother but kept looking out for the brother because reasons all the while vilifying the “evil woman”. Unreal that these people go the extra mile to look after and protect people that have treated them like absolute dogshit. ETA: And it’s an AITA post?! lol, that sub has a 3000 character limit and bro wrote an entire novella. Yeah, this story is BS. Entertaining BS, but BS all the same.
I'm amazed few others seem to have noticed that. It's all too "and I had the PERFECT thing to do and the PERFECT cutting line", especially when the evidence is presented.
It's written like a script by a student straight from drama class. It's entertaining, but when half of the dialouge is about how sternly something is said, or how about how a secondary character is standing in silence haunted by their past mistakes, as if the OP can read minds, the facade just kinda falls appart.
Hope this story is fake because if it isnt op is such a dumb dumb person. I get he is your dad but how many times does a person have to stab you in the heart over and over before you get the hint maybe I shouldn't have this person in my life. This guy should never be in a relationship lol he would be awful
@crowfather0249 its kinda common, it's a subclass of the rich guy gold digger stereotypes There is the younger golden digger and rich old guy This one Hthe rich guy who wants her only to show off ( and itemized her) and gold digger
It’s is fake. It’s supposedly an AITA post but those posts are only given a 3000 character limit, it’s a rule, but the dude wrote an entire novella. It’s hitting all the tropes and clichés, including the ones that have the main character go out of their way to help the AH despite being treated like dogshit by the AH for years. Also, the main character has the best memory ever, able to recall even the most minute detail.
![[Full Story] My Sister Falsely Accused Me of Stealing Her Engagement Ring and My Family Kicked Me...](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bUP1LVdsPVY/mqdefault.jpg)
The fact that the dad still tried to blame them even afterwards despite the fact that they didn't even need to go out of their way to warn him, especially the mom, tells you all you need to know about him. Enjoy.
Are you all actually taking a story like this at face value? How would two kids be able to "mismanage company funds" to such an extend the guy would go bancrupt? How would he not notice the people under his roof spending egregious amounts of money? Story is fake
... subpar revenge porn, cooked up in some basement-dwellers head
Until the wife left him, he still had the nerve to blame OP for "not warning him enough". Despicable.
It was his responsibility to look at the evidence
I have no idea why some of the reddit comments actually told OP that he should've "tried harder to convince his dad", as if that was still his responsibility. Dad got 2 warnings: 1 from ex-wife and 1 from his son. But he didn't listen to any of them, and now he has to suffer the consequences.
The evidence he was given was overwhelming too, but he refused to look at it or acknowledge it. But reddit will be reddit, there will always be the toxic "bUt fAmiLy" morons who never think you should hold family accountable for anything. They're the same people who would protect a family member who is a r-pist or a murderer rather than doing the right thing and turn him or her in. Coincidentally the people who cry "bUt fAmiLy" are usually the ones who keep effing up and expects family to always be there to forgive them and help them.
For real, one warning from OP was enough, having your ex-wife warn you about something like this, especially after the way you divorced is above and beyond.
The dad should have contacted a lawyer about this before marriahe
The lawyer could have done a background check and prenup.
Trying hard for what? He’s a grown man. He should have known better to look at the evidence.
The guy was given evidence of what the kids did, the only way to convince him more would be to have a live feed of them committing crimes.
Dam, that father is trash and yet OP still tried to help him. If I was OP, I wouldn't even tell the dad anything and watch his life crumble.
Nta, you and your mother warned him. He made his choice and he gets to deal with the consequences. Plus he was not there for you for years, he did not care until he realized his mistake.
What I’m most curious about is if the grandparents that made the parents divorce are still alive and what their reaction to their son marrying someone so much worse is.
Yes!
It annoys me that OP's dad actually tried to blame OP for "not doing enough to warn him" -- he made it quite clear he didn't want to hear anymore. The man was never going to look at the evidence, and was set on the results that came about. OP's dad may not want to accept responsibility for it, but he completely owns his current predicament.
Just from the title, dad sounds like a complete simp who has no trust in his son. Mom sounded like an angel. Okay I watched a bit of the story and dad just keeps getting so much worse.
He shows up homeless, hand him a cardboard box. "I'm sorry I'm not equipped to deal with idiots. Here dad, for your new edition to your house." An remind him of the past and the choices he made. Go to no contact because it's not your problem.
it would have been cool if op had say to his father "i am not equipped to take care of an asshole" and just shut the door in his face right there
An uncle of mine was married for at least 20 years to his wife (i didn't knew her well) he treated like trash and when she died because of an illness, he got with another woman suspiciously quickly.
His ex wife didn't Care about uncle's money (he's very well off) however New wife is sucking him dry and he don't even notice it because of how badly he love her.
Uncle isn't a nice Guy, my mom once asked him if he was willing to help to pay for a small monument to my grandfather and he refused also when grandpa died, uncle was the first to rush to his appartment and take Everything that wasn't nailed down.
As i said before his New wife is sucking him dry and it couldnt happen to a more deserving guy
Nice 😂 couple made in heaven😅😂😊
@@mmr3470 more like a match made in hell but you're right
Don't tell him . Let him go destitute.
@@subratanandy2142 we have little to no contact and i don't plan on telling him, not that he'll actually believe me
Make sure your mom doesnt help him out when he becomes poor
Oooooh a rich simp who lost everything. Interesting.
2:40 no way, did he just fly instead of bouncing off the slime?? bruh 😭😭
I think the dad's wife was in on the scam with her kids.
Oh yeah definitely
From the story op's mom seems to be a non-nonsense kind of woman and dad is spoiled rich boy. What surprised me how why they hooked up since they're two clashing personalities. The new wife is a manipulative woman who know how to do things to lift his bloated ego (probably agreeing with him, giving praises and sex). Also I don't believe her when she said she wants her kids to reform. She knew her scammer children bring money to the table and she doesn't give af where that money came from
He took in his drunk dad when his dad wouldn't take him in and gave his inheritance to his new step kids whom squandered it. Some people just dont have a spine. It's crazy.
Good AI story, you can tell by the syntax used. but good story anyway
Simps come in all shapes, sizes and ages
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. That is why i think that prenups should be signed to protect both parties in a marriage.
OP is full of so much class. I wish I could be so classy
'Not convincing him enough' us a BS excuse fir not taking accountability for what he done lol
If the story is true, then OP went above and beyond in regards to his selfish, idiotic, narcissistic father. The Dad got exactly what he deserved and of course only came crying back to his real family when he lost everything to his new family. I guarantee you as soon as the father gains any kind of financial stability again, he'll probably dump his son and his ex-wife again like a bad habit. He and his new wife and his step kids truly deserve each other lol.
What a foolish man. He was warned big time about his new family being scammers but chose to ignore it, claiming his daughter was jealous. He refused to look at the evidence and do the checks. Now that he broke and homeless he’s looking to blame them for not convincing him enough. Boy bye 👋 it’s on you. It was your responsibility to realise the truth before it was too late
What daughter? OP said they're a 34 year old male. They're a son, not a daughter. 😅
After that I was totally done with my dad , a couple moments later , now I'm completely done with him , moments later 😮💨
😂😂😂
Blood is thicker than water
@mbusomthimkhulu8136 the complete quote implies something different js
Hahaha... If I have a father like him, I would have just let him figure it out on his own and just eat popcorn waiting for things to blowup😂
This one seems like it'll be an interesting ride!
this reads like a work of fiction, probably because it is
Ugh, father seems completely pathetic, it's just sad
Title should be, "Warned my deadbeat Dad about gold digger wife and scammer kids. Now, he's homeless and begging for forgiveness."
I mean, it only took having his fortune being taken away for him to even attempt to reconnect. Let's say for a moment that the stepchildren weren't scammers, he still disowned OP entirely in paper, and pretty much just confirmed it that dinner and simply bashed it on his face.
I hope OP don’t let the father stay with him and freeload. Let him be homeless and learn his lesson
The dad is a fool
OP shouldn't feel too bad about his father, he made his choice.
Lets be honest, even if OP did report them to the police the dad would still be on their side defending them.
if I was OP, I wouldn't even have responded to dad at all. just let him suffer the consiquences of his disicions. I wouldn't entertain the idea of helping him one bit. tho I'd definately watch from the sidelines with popcorn in hand.
Not trying to be rude, but it's consequences, not consiquences, and decisions, not disicions.
I call this story as cap
13:22 bro became a philosopher
Dam, that father is trash and yet OP still tried to help him. If I was OP, I wouldn't even tell the dad anything and watch his life crumble.
you and your mother warned him. He made his choice and he gets to deal with the consequences. Plus he was not there for you for years, he did not care until he realized his mistake.
Seems AI written but it's a fun story.
I feel the same way
Jesus. That man deserves an "I told you so" and not a bit more. OP doesn't have any issues to work through, the suggestions of therapy were misguided and are only going to make things worse.
He should help him with the divorce and lawsuit with low contact. All everything is settled, no matter what is the result, he and his mother has to go full NC.
The father made his choices and failed meanwhile he showed his true colors in his actions.
Why should he pay and fight for him though? To complete martyrdom bingo? To house him and finance lifestyle dad was accustumed to?
I would have NEVER forgiven him. He still blamed them after “not trying hard enough” BRUH WHAT MORE COULD THEY HAVE DONE!!! He refused to belive ANYTHING! This was HIS FAULT! I would have reminded him on how he blamed the people who tried warning him he blamed them after trying to show evidence- he is only coming back cuz he now sees that EVERYONE WAS RIGHT!! He destroyed relationships. I would never forgive someone who would blame me for something I tried warning him on the situation. And claimed that I was “jealous”
Yea no if I was OP I would not forgive.
True revenge
On one hand, the wife and step kids should see consequences for their actions. On the other, the Dad doesn’t deserve to get justice for it. He was made aware of what he was getting himself into and then still proceeds to blame his son and ex-wife for not trying harder to convince him. All of that after he was a shit husband and father to them.
to the dad: womp womp
“Oops”
Is this also an ai generated story?
Not certain but I did notice some name changes like dad suddenly being called Mark just like in the other stories.
Ive got a similar story my dad started seeing his brothers ex wife she had been married mutiple times before my dad she was married to a guy in the army who ended up being stationed in Florida & she didnt want to go so she left him while with him she was messing around with my uncle ended up marrying him while married to him messing around with my dad i tried to tell my dad not to marry her but he didnt listen while married to my dad she was messing around with his friend ended up taking my dads house told the court they got it after they were married but he got it before he proposed he also married her no one even knew except her oldest daughter & her friends until after it was over she got a truck & house out of him while he ended up homeless & bouncing around from his friends to his sisters to me house until he ended up renting the house hes in now but because she told him she didnt want anything when he considered a divorce he got massively screwed over
to "them" 😆
the fathers family gave op mother a hard time till the divorce
but the family is ok with giving the hole inherence to the kids?
doesnt make sense
Ah, here’s a perfect definition of a simp.
Op could have shown him the proof but he still would’ve been a bad father,,
The father is just horrible all around
This Is what I call ,,stupid tax,,
This is so very obviously written by a.i.
All these rich people getting screwed over by partners have themselves to blame really. If I was rich enough then I’d be doing background checks on whoever I was getting with and making sure I’m marrying someone who isn’t going to just want my money or anything like that.. I’d also do a prenup🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
If you don’t put those things in place and just go off someone’s word when you could find out who they are beforehand then yeah obviously a big mess up
And yes I know some people who are rich don’t do it because they love the person so much or don’t want to invade that persons privacy but I feel like when you’re rich and can’t be sure if someone’s actions are genuine then at least put some precautions in place if you don’t want to do a background check on them
the eternal boomer
This story is drunk on the song taking what's not yours
Specifically the line
"I I I'm not a crook" for the son
I don't understand why these channels aren't just honest about uploading AI written stories. They all use the same idioms and two-word descriptors like, "Finally after all my struggles, they'd see the undeniable horrible truth, and I'd be righteously vindicated."
You know what I don't understand to do with stories like this why the top comments try so hard to convince the original poster that they're so terrible for doing their best to convince their terrible parent who literally never listen to their advice to begin with on how they could have tried harder to convince that so-called terrible parent well sorry to tell you buddy just because you did your best to reconcile with your terrible parent and it went wrong and you think that responsibility should go into somebody else that has that opportunity doesn't mean it's always going to work and even then towards the end of the story it's still didn't go the way you thought it would have gone That's what I never get about those comments that try so hard to convince the original poster so thank God that the OP of that situation of the story in general didn't have a noodles find a listen to those idiots and put themselves down for it and actually what what the people that told them they did everything they could to literally warn their dad that he was getting took an advantage of but you know people like him never want to listen because they think they know it all
father sucks but yeah taking legal action might be nice
is it me or are all these reddit stories a long ass ad for therapy
the writing is so....poetic...why this doesnt feel like a real life situation but rather fake
The dad is a chump
W mum
"And I was left grappling with the realization that his promises of change were empty words".
People don't write like this, fake story
idk if it's you doing these minecraft parkour runs or not, but if it is, I'd rather rewatch old ones you've done than watch people in creative mode while I zone out listening to the story. The fact that it's creative is distracting. They aren't even getting close to the slime blocks man.
You know this one is fake
Yep
Dusty dad
Fake story, I can tell when an AI is being used.
What facts led to that conclusion because anybody can use this Ai and doesn't have to really read the story
hmmm reconciling seems also unfair given that that, and his ability to see the errors of how he treated op and mom wont EVER be possible if he never experienced life shattering events like his step children plunging him on the ground.
he wasnt a reliable emotional support(much less a parent) to op, and now that his' are done and gone, he hopes to have a familial connection after he neglected op that privilege all throughout his life so he can have an emotional safety net to fall back on? to trouble his former family to play a role in his miserable life AGAIN when shit hit his fan?
i wont judge op if wants to, thats admirable. but i give big side eyes to ah sperm donor and the situation he brought himself in.
though i would give sd credit and respect if he sort his shit out without involving his former family in ANY capacity, and then return to start his reconciliation journey with op and mom.
the issue is if reconciliation is possible, op and mom shouldnt exert any effort until sd is abled enough, that should fall on sd alone considering he wasnt keen on any fatherly role before and was even vocal about it. fix his shit until he deems himself worthy to start
This video reminds me of the one about the guy whose girlfriend cheated on him with his own brother but kept looking out for the brother because reasons all the while vilifying the “evil woman”. Unreal that these people go the extra mile to look after and protect people that have treated them like absolute dogshit.
ETA: And it’s an AITA post?! lol, that sub has a 3000 character limit and bro wrote an entire novella. Yeah, this story is BS. Entertaining BS, but BS all the same.
I'm amazed few others seem to have noticed that. It's all too "and I had the PERFECT thing to do and the PERFECT cutting line", especially when the evidence is presented.
It's written like a script by a student straight from drama class. It's entertaining, but when half of the dialouge is about how sternly something is said, or how about how a secondary character is standing in silence haunted by their past mistakes, as if the OP can read minds, the facade just kinda falls appart.
Hope this story is fake because if it isnt op is such a dumb dumb person. I get he is your dad but how many times does a person have to stab you in the heart over and over before you get the hint maybe I shouldn't have this person in my life. This guy should never be in a relationship lol he would be awful
Gomm be honest, not calling jt fake, but it sounds like one of those stereotypes where a rich guy gets fooled by a gold digging family.
I wasn't aware that was a stereotype, but if it is, it exists for a reason.
@crowfather0249 its kinda common, it's a subclass of the rich guy gold digger stereotypes
There is the younger golden digger and rich old guy
This one
Hthe rich guy who wants her only to show off ( and itemized her) and gold digger
It’s is fake. It’s supposedly an AITA post but those posts are only given a 3000 character limit, it’s a rule, but the dude wrote an entire novella. It’s hitting all the tropes and clichés, including the ones that have the main character go out of their way to help the AH despite being treated like dogshit by the AH for years. Also, the main character has the best memory ever, able to recall even the most minute detail.
F.A.E.K.
You wrote a one word comment, and you ended up misspelling it. Bravo. 😑 ( It's fake, not faek. )
@@StacyPrice-ms9fm woosh
L dad