Morphy's April 11-3 auction has an amazing and drool inducing array of NFA items. Both of the comparison guns are also listed. This particular gun is lot 1032 with a sale estimate between $50K-$100K.
"As far as we know, only two of these things exist today, one of which was officially submitted into the British Royal Armouries' Pattern Room and the other was allegedly found lying in a ditch by some random guy." It's so bizarre how often this theme seems to come up.
If you were to go back and watch every single Forgotten Weapons you’d probably come away with a better grasp of history and mechanical engineering than most people. Never mind the guns
@@Matt-xc6sp Indeed, and I really appreciate when he goes over the functionality of the guns. Seeing how they solved certain issues in the past can be quite handy.
What always amazes me about criticism of the Sten is that people always wonder why the British didn't make a 'Better' gun, when the whole point of the Sten wasn't to be 'Good' (they weren't competing with the MP40 or Thompson for international arms sales market share) but to be the CHEAPEST gun they could make that could kill Nazis. That's all it's designed to do. It's literally one step up from a zip gun. So no ergonomics, no night time optics, no bells and whistles. It just slam fires a 9mm out the end of a steel tube and that's it. Even rifling the barrel was considered a 'Luxury' 🤣
They were actually great to shoot.When i was younger and living in South Africa I shot them a few times and although it wasn't war time they were fun to mow down the bowling pins with.
The question was asked, "How many emergency SMGs do we need, and how much quality are we willing to sacrifice to get them as soon as possible?", and the answer was, by urgent necessity, "Yes".
If only it were possible, an episode on the back stories of the '68 amnesty guns would be wonderfully entertaining. I mean the individual guns stories. The circumstances of acquisition, possible transport into the US, etc. I know of 1 gun brought home by a missionary from Africa in the '60s. The stories they could tell....
Sten is one of my favorite weapons. Yes...today I really wouldn't want to have it in my hands during battle, because of how unreliable that gun is _(And I should know a lot about how much. I'm Czech.)_ but it's the part of the reason why I love that gun so much. It's cheap and simple, exactly as intended to be. Plus the scrap, almost post-apocalyptic aesthetics of it. Simply wonderful...
1988 I was lucky enuf at CFB Petawawa to get to fire a silenced Mk 2 Sten gun via our visiting American friends from Fort Drum. It was very reliable. And being it was suppressed the effect was small circular groups on target. And at full auto sounded like a normal 22 rimfire rifle report.
Not to nit pick, but... The weld in front of the front sight secures the front sight. Pull the plunger, rotate the magazine housing down, and the barrel retaining collar will unscrew, and it and the barrel and the silencer (if assembled to the collar) can be removed. The other Stens in the video are a Mk. V and a Mk. I*.
I was hoping that Ian would get a chance to shoot it to see just how bad it might be, but then I remembered it was missing the retention screw for the suppressor body and there's a chance it was found in a garbage bin... ... yeah Ian may be Gun Jesus, but let's not Kentucky Ballistics him to see if he'll come back in three days.
im assuming you can leave the stock folded up and use it as a front grip but man they really could've shaped it a little better. even if it's something as simple as sticking a block of wood to it
My late granfather had silenced Sten in WW2, he was a partisane trained and armed by SAS. I remember that he said that it also had brass catcher and long and short magazines.
@@sinisatrlin840 Right, am British so this story sounds pretty interesting, can you give any more information, what year,so you're grandfather was fighting with 22sas? I know lots of of nationalities fought with them, French,Belgiums, Greeks and they formed there own Special forces after the war, look at the French SAS they share the same motto and insignia
@@nickjohnson710 There are at least two British war cemetaries near me. Large one is at island Vis. My grandfather died long time ago but i remember that he considered Germans as worthy oponent and Italians less so. Also they had English translator person in training. Early in war British support was minimal, later when they occupied Vis supply of war material and intel increased many times in quantity and quality. There is also a Cricket club on Vis island founded by the British.
@@sinisatrlin840 thank you for the reply, I will look in to the British war cemeteries and vis ....cricket club lol! That is very British after all, many thanks again 👍 🇬🇧
To quote Spike Milligan; "When we landed in Naples we were warned "Beware ! Naples is full of thieves!" It was ! They were called The British Army !" 😁
Ownership - five versions of a story; "I found it," "I was issued it," "I stole it," something in between, or what the judge decides. You be the judge.
Designer: Hey, we designed a much better pistol grip Para: where the hell can I put my cheek to take aim??? Designer: mmmmm.... have I mentioned that we have a new pistol grip? D
1:34 The only time that type of stock grants an advantage is while wearing a dual-filter gas mask or a helmet with a face shield, but neither of those conditions would have been a consideration in this case.
I swear Ian has a name for every fucking little part of every kind of gun. Even parts that really don’t even necessarily need or probably even have a name.. like he definitely makes some of them up and it’s hilarious.
0:40 normally it would gave barrel that would end right about here... TO my knowledge this is the first time in seven years that you have been pointing out something offscreen. You get a free pas sir ;)
When you sday the British developed this in 1943 and 1944, what you mean is; they threw it together in 1943 and 1944, because the term 'develop' does not really describe it.
I think it's beautiful. Simplicity, minimalist design with the familiarity of a grease gun. Fun to shoot and got the job done. The ugliest hammer in your toolbox Is always the go to.
This thing is so inconspicuous too. If you saw someone carrying that around you'd never know it was a weapon if they were wearing a safety vest and hard hat
Pretty cool that there's actually one out there in private hands! It's a real shame that the British opted to destroy them when they decided to go with the Mk V. That's even more annoying than the French practice of upgrading _every gun_ when they come up with improvements. At least they're still being used and there seems to always be a handful floating around that were "missed" in the upgrade process.
The M18 was a 57mm recoilless rifle was copied as the Type36 58mm recoilless rifle in a deliberate one-way compatibility. Are there other such deliberate attempts in small arms? The nearest one maybe the Italian 7.5...
Hey Ian, on a related note, did the Australians ever issue Austen Submachine Guns with suppressors? I know they were issued with the Sten Mk 2s and Mk 6, but since they had the Austen, would they even be able to equip suppressors to them?
If the receiver is shorter, I wonder what the round count is for that encap as the regular sten hits the back of the cap with each shot. Rof should be higher to.
I had to do a double take when the stock swiveled sideways instead of vertically to at least give you a cheek mount on that metal bar. Who needs steady head position anyways?
Were they able to use the Sten Mk V without the stock or did they ever come up with a plate to put on to use it without the stock? I was just curious from a paratrooper point of view. Did they jump with weapon bags or exposed weapons or did they not jump with their weapons on their person at all and just put them in door bundle containers?
3 inches is all you need. But kidding aside, if you want to "curve the bullet" like in the movie Wanted, wouldn't the bullet bump the far end of the supressor or does the 3 inch barrel prevent a too tight of a curve?
i've always thought on how easily you could make most of the sten with modern available civilian machining, i live in a country wich has very strict gun laws, but if i had the time and ammo in a civil war scenario i would definetly make a sten, not because is better, just because is so simple, yet cool and historic, this just makes me want to emigrate to the US and make a recreation of this so bad
@@chaimafaghet7343 if you make some fancy kludge of a closed bolt option it's acceptable. Or if someone figures out how to get the Supreme Court to smite the NFA out of existence...
@@chaimafaghet7343 Exactly right, designed to be produced with the minimum amount of tooling. Churned out in vast numbers in the UK by companies like Hornby and Triang, who made kids toys; and made in occupied Europe by any resistance groups who had a access to a lathe for the bolt. No modern machining required. The STEN gets a lot of abuse, but it fulfilled the operational requirement of the time.
Didn't we just hear the same story about a officer issued another gun in the UK and walking home with it, is this the same guy? How many guns did he bring home?
My favorite part of desktop videos is when Ian just pulls other guns up from his lap.
Morphy's April 11-3 auction has an amazing and drool inducing array of NFA items. Both of the comparison guns are also listed.
This particular gun is lot 1032 with a sale estimate between $50K-$100K.
Was convinced Ian was about to say "absolute UNIT of a gun" at the start of the video.
With no doubt at all :)
Alas
My first thought was "...an absolute eunuch of a gun." 😂
unitcorn...
@@vaclavholek4497 It definitely was “ a small Package “.
People always say how ugly the Stens are, for some reason i have always liked their brutal minimalism and almost skeletonised look.
Always thought it looked very cool as well!
"almost skeletonised" as in "If they added some bits it might become a skeleton !" 😉
@Kevin oh haha righto
They are absolutely awesome. I made a MK2s and a MK5 and a MK3. And they are all the best running guns I got. I want to make a copy of this too.
"As far as we know, only two of these things exist today, one of which was officially submitted into the British Royal Armouries' Pattern Room and the other was allegedly found lying in a ditch by some random guy."
It's so bizarre how often this theme seems to come up.
Next time she laughs at your small package, confidently tell her it's for airborne operations
Love how the man that knows more about small arms than most historians still apologizes when he misspeaks.
That’s the hallmark of a good academic, one that realizes their own fallibility.
And that is why Ian is my go-to guntuber.
If you were to go back and watch every single Forgotten Weapons you’d probably come away with a better grasp of history and mechanical engineering than most people. Never mind the guns
@@Matt-xc6sp Indeed, and I really appreciate when he goes over the functionality of the guns. Seeing how they solved certain issues in the past can be quite handy.
He’s humble,I think that’s one of the main reasons he has virtually no detractors.
What always amazes me about criticism of the Sten is that people always wonder why the British didn't make a 'Better' gun, when the whole point of the Sten wasn't to be 'Good' (they weren't competing with the MP40 or Thompson for international arms sales market share) but to be the CHEAPEST gun they could make that could kill Nazis. That's all it's designed to do. It's literally one step up from a zip gun. So no ergonomics, no night time optics, no bells and whistles. It just slam fires a 9mm out the end of a steel tube and that's it. Even rifling the barrel was considered a 'Luxury' 🤣
They were actually great to shoot.When i was younger and living in South Africa I shot them a few times and although it wasn't war time they were fun to mow down the bowling pins with.
The question was asked, "How many emergency SMGs do we need, and how much quality are we willing to sacrifice to get them as soon as possible?", and the answer was, by urgent necessity, "Yes".
@@geraldreynolds9650 aye they’re good to shoot,I shot one in the army cadets here inn Scotland
I’ve shot a Mark 5, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I’d never shot a 9mm mag before, bracing myself for a kick that wasn’t there!
Yea
I like the little wooooooo the stock makes when you rotate it
Hah! 😊It was a mix between a slide whistle and the closure spring on an old screen porch door.
Imagine breaking into someone's home and the first thing you hear is *wooooo CLACK*
I’d just accept death at that point
Thanks for explaining the differences between the standard Sten and this prototype.
If only it were possible, an episode on the back stories of the '68 amnesty guns would be wonderfully entertaining. I mean the individual guns stories. The circumstances of acquisition, possible transport into the US, etc. I know of 1 gun brought home by a missionary from Africa in the '60s. The stories they could tell....
That shot at 4:14... BEHOLD THE STEN PISTOL!!!
Looks like another Star Wars tm side arm
Lol
Man, the regular STENs are no beauties, but this is straight up ugly.
I really want one.
You, sir, have one sort of an acquired taste, I'll give you that
Very handy if you find yourself dropping from a Halifax on top of a defended position, not so good for target shooting.
My favourite was they just didn't bother getting a shorter spring made up 'snip'
@@krissteel4074 ugly is often beutiful in the gun world. Within limits.
Thats what i said about my wife!
These are the videos that keep me coming back!! "Here's a unicorn! Here's what's different, and here's why it's different." I. Love. These. Videos!
Sten is one of my favorite weapons.
Yes...today I really wouldn't want to have it in my hands during battle, because of how unreliable that gun is _(And I should know a lot about how much. I'm Czech.)_ but it's the part of the reason why I love that gun so much.
It's cheap and simple, exactly as intended to be.
Plus the scrap, almost post-apocalyptic aesthetics of it.
Simply wonderful...
Loved the Heydrich reference.
the gun is poc. and that's being polite
Did it fail you while you were surrendering your country to nazis?
@@rodeoclownobama5796 well yes, but it's what they had at the time.
1988 I was lucky enuf at CFB Petawawa to get to fire a silenced Mk 2 Sten gun via our visiting American friends from Fort Drum. It was very reliable. And being it was suppressed the effect was small circular groups on target. And at full auto sounded like a normal 22 rimfire rifle report.
Finally, the shoulder thing that goes up
Ah yes, the barrel shroud
I have some original mk1 parts for a further project then this is next on my list. Thanks for showing this beauty.
Not to nit pick, but... The weld in front of the front sight secures the front sight. Pull the plunger, rotate the magazine housing down, and the barrel retaining collar will unscrew, and it and the barrel and the silencer (if assembled to the collar) can be removed. The other Stens in the video are a Mk. V and a Mk. I*.
Our British friends thought you might be able to use this! - if you know that quote you played a great game
The stock even makes a comedy sound effect when extended! 1:28
When you think they could not possibly make a worse stock then the coat-hanger or the rod with the plate…
The simpliest tech and design always amaze me, if i had a time machine i would like to go to engineering offices of this kind of guns !
"Execution wise, this thing's pretty much terrible" ....... So it's a Sten gun.
Ah, no cheek-weld, it's even worse than every other Sten
I think this is the same gun Matt did a short vid on at SHOT for The Armourer’s Bench. Nice to see it in more detail.
I was hoping that Ian would get a chance to shoot it to see just how bad it might be, but then I remembered it was missing the retention screw for the suppressor body and there's a chance it was found in a garbage bin...
... yeah Ian may be Gun Jesus, but let's not Kentucky Ballistics him to see if he'll come back in three days.
Wait for tomorrow... ;)
Ian, don't. Look what happened to Scott!
@@ForgottenWeapons He IS the Messiah!
@@ForgottenWeapons I kinda want to see just how big a fireball it will throw with the can removed...
Wow, I'll make a 3D version tonight for my vintage Action Man 1:6 scale! Great
im assuming you can leave the stock folded up and use it as a front grip but man they really could've shaped it a little better. even if it's something as simple as sticking a block of wood to it
If I'm correct the stenndid have an wood stock attachment, I've seen some pictures floating around
You can, but it's a bit wobbly.
That bit of wood will cost extra, tell Nigel to leave it off!
Wood costs weight costs aviation fuel.
@@gilgamecha Excellent point!
Thank you sir love the education I get on small arms and sometimes large arms around the world! You are a treasure to all lovers of weapons!!
A unicorn mainly for the fact that this one's grip was designed with a human's hand in mind for once.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺
I'm guessing with short barrel / subsonic ammo balancing out the changes to the spring and bolt the fire rate stays about the same as a normal Sten?
My late granfather had silenced Sten in WW2, he was a partisane trained and armed by SAS. I remember that he said that it also had brass catcher and long and short magazines.
What nationality was you're grandfather?
@@nickjohnson710 Croat, central Dalmatia
@@sinisatrlin840 Right, am British so this story sounds pretty interesting, can you give any more information, what year,so you're grandfather was fighting with 22sas? I know lots of of nationalities fought with them, French,Belgiums, Greeks and they formed there own Special forces after the war, look at the French SAS they share the same motto and insignia
@@nickjohnson710 There are at least two British war cemetaries near me. Large one is at island Vis. My grandfather died long time ago but i remember that he considered Germans as worthy oponent and Italians less so.
Also they had English translator person in training. Early in war British support was minimal, later when they occupied Vis supply of war material and intel increased many times in quantity and quality.
There is also a Cricket club on Vis island founded by the British.
@@sinisatrlin840 thank you for the reply, I will look in to the British war cemeteries and vis ....cricket club lol! That is very British after all, many thanks again 👍 🇬🇧
That Marine absolutely stole that gun.
Petty theft is a fine tradition among soldiers as I understand it.
To quote Spike Milligan; "When we landed in Naples we were warned "Beware ! Naples is full of thieves!" It was ! They were called The British Army !" 😁
Ownership - five versions of a story; "I found it," "I was issued it," "I stole it," something in between, or what the judge decides. You be the judge.
Feels like a better name for this thing would be the Welp Rod.
This would be right at home in a Fallout game, it has such an atompunk vibe
Thank you Ian.
1:30 The sound!
Now THIS is a forgotten weapon!
Thanks Ian, you continue to deliver excellent content. Keep up the great work. George G (Australia)
1:58 Missed opportunity to say "a STENdard magazine"
I really like these prototype modifications! It's interesting what they had to do in times of war.
with the suppressor off, it could be a cute little bag gun with the stock folded, not saying it would be good, but it's cute
Ah the 1940s. When you could find a full auto suppressed sub machine gun in the garbage.
Bless the heart of that light-fingered, er ah, shifty story USMC Officer for saving a really cool piece of engineering and war-time military history!
Am I crazy or did he edit in a slide whistle sound at 1:26 when he's unfolding the stock? I have no idea what else that could be
Designer: Hey, we designed a much better pistol grip
Para: where the hell can I put my cheek to take aim???
Designer: mmmmm.... have I mentioned that we have a new pistol grip?
D
1:34 The only time that type of stock grants an advantage is while wearing a dual-filter gas mask or a helmet with a face shield, but neither of those conditions would have been a consideration in this case.
I feel like calling that thing a 'stock' is extremely generous. I can't envision this being comfortable to shoot in any kind of position.
Without the suppressor and the stock folded it looks near identical to the bastard pistol from Metro Exodus. That is insanely cool!
Best thing you can say about this gun is "it'll shoot bullets".
3 inch barrel... that thing is enormous
Feels big when it goes off!!
Excellent gun, I use it regularly.
... in Sniper Elite.
I swear Ian has a name for every fucking little part of every kind of gun. Even parts that really don’t even necessarily need or probably even have a name.. like he definitely makes some of them up and it’s hilarious.
At 1.02 "Execution wise, meh, this thing's pretty much terrible..."
It's a STEN Gun. What else did you expect?
0:40 normally it would gave barrel that would end right about here... TO my knowledge this is the first time in seven years that you have been pointing out something offscreen. You get a free pas sir ;)
When you sday the British developed this in 1943 and 1944, what you mean is; they threw it together in 1943 and 1944, because the term 'develop' does not really describe it.
All I see when I look at a sten anymore is that horrible cursed thing from COD Vanguard that had a reciprocating rod slamming out the back.
some people might call that stock fugly but damn i really like that kind of stock
I think it's beautiful. Simplicity, minimalist design with the familiarity of a grease gun. Fun to shoot and got the job done. The ugliest hammer in your toolbox Is always the go to.
That's a firearm only a mother could love
This thing is so inconspicuous too. If you saw someone carrying that around you'd never know it was a weapon if they were wearing a safety vest and hard hat
I truly rejoice in your auction videos. ;w;
A great fantastic very interesting video and smg(s). Was it possible to mount a silencer on the Thompson or Grease Gun smgs?Have a good oneGJ.
amazing review!
This so amazing thank you for your content
Pretty cool that there's actually one out there in private hands! It's a real shame that the British opted to destroy them when they decided to go with the Mk V. That's even more annoying than the French practice of upgrading _every gun_ when they come up with improvements. At least they're still being used and there seems to always be a handful floating around that were "missed" in the upgrade process.
The M18 was a 57mm recoilless rifle was copied as the Type36 58mm recoilless rifle in a deliberate one-way compatibility. Are there other such deliberate attempts in small arms? The nearest one maybe the Italian 7.5...
Hey Ian, on a related note, did the Australians ever issue Austen Submachine Guns with suppressors? I know they were issued with the Sten Mk 2s and Mk 6, but since they had the Austen, would they even be able to equip suppressors to them?
Gotta love the prophet being given one gun, but he just pulls out more guns from the basket. Feeding the thousands with guns and fish(!)
He truly is "gun Jesus," for he can make submachineguns miraculously appear... when he needs examples.😂
A sten with a grip designed to be held by human hands!? Fancy!
You can only splurge like this on a gun for the paratroopers.
Thank you. Very informative
There is that 11th Commandment in the Marines: Thou should steal from the Army...
If the receiver is shorter, I wonder what the round count is for that encap as the regular sten hits the back of the cap with each shot. Rof should be higher to.
Maybe it's an early stabilizer brace?
Absolute Tetris piece of a gun
That stock is even less comfortable than Karl's shovel handle AK.😮. It's even less comfortable than the Paratrooper M1 carbine! 😮😮😮
I had to do a double take when the stock swiveled sideways instead of vertically to at least give you a cheek mount on that metal bar. Who needs steady head position anyways?
That thing without a stock and supressor is begging to be a star wars blaster
Wow, did not know this model exists!
thanks for this video 🔥🤟🏼
Were they able to use the Sten Mk V without the stock or did they ever come up with a plate to put on to use it without the stock? I was just curious from a paratrooper point of view. Did they jump with weapon bags or exposed weapons or did they not jump with their weapons on their person at all and just put them in door bundle containers?
Weird that I'm diving into sten and sterling mags then this video drops. Very strange indeed....
"You might want to hide your eyes for this scary bit"! 🤣
If you know, you know...
I saw the picture and immediately thought, "Elbonian"!
The "found it in the trash" sounds like a I bought it at a market excuse. Maybe he thought they would want the issued gun back.
Ah yes, the STEN. The best SMG to use until you find another SMG
3 inches is all you need. But kidding aside, if you want to "curve the bullet" like in the movie Wanted, wouldn't the bullet bump the far end of the supressor or does the 3 inch barrel prevent a too tight of a curve?
I wonder if I could wrap your hand around the stock while it's folded as a pseudo foregrip
Is there any Sten gun that its cartridge is located on its lower part instead of its left side?
that marine definitely acquired that in an unscrupulous fashion
pew pew pew... but quiet!
Wep Wep Wep!!
Fut fut fut
i've always thought on how easily you could make most of the sten with modern available civilian machining, i live in a country wich has very strict gun laws, but if i had the time and ammo in a civil war scenario i would definetly make a sten, not because is better, just because is so simple, yet cool and historic, this just makes me want to emigrate to the US and make a recreation of this so bad
@@chaimafaghet7343 if you make some fancy kludge of a closed bolt option it's acceptable.
Or if someone figures out how to get the Supreme Court to smite the NFA out of existence...
@@chaimafaghet7343 no, it's not.
Which is why I'd like to see the end of the NFA.
@@chaimafaghet7343 Exactly right, designed to be produced with the minimum amount of tooling. Churned out in vast numbers in the UK by companies like Hornby and Triang, who made kids toys; and made in occupied Europe by any resistance groups who had a access to a lathe for the bolt. No modern machining required. The STEN gets a lot of abuse, but it fulfilled the operational requirement of the time.
I didn't know how short STEN barrels are
Hey guys, this is Forgotten Weapons, I am Ian McCollum and today we're looking at an *actual* *unicorn* that I was able to find.
what version of the sten has the wooden stock cuz i like the look
Didn't we just hear the same story about a officer issued another gun in the UK and walking home with it, is this the same guy?
How many guns did he bring home?
PLEASE tell me you were able to get range video of that monstrosity!
Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2009
"Don't shoot! Come inside. I have something for you..."
Wolfenstein Enemy Territory vibes - still remember the sound effects and the overheating