FF7 "A Masterclass In Storytelling" | mlwjrpg Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- FF7 "A Masterclass In Storytelling" | mlwjrpg Reacts
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My reaction to ► • Final Fantasy VII: A M...
I discovered this video from this tweet ► x.com/VaughnMColeman/status/1...
I didn't cover the entirety of the video; I just wanted to nutshell some of my major issues.
At the end of the day, one cannot make this claim from that tweet and connect it to a video that should be objective and neutral, but it ended up being 100% Tifa-biased.
Here is the link to Vaughn's reaction to my Twitter video post ► • #Clerith fans are STIL...
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People acting like those who ship Aerith and Cloud don't understand FF7's storyline is one of the things that bother me the most. Ship whatever you want to ship, but don't act like I'm stupid for shipping the ship that the devs are clearly throwing at me over and over again lol.
I can see why people ship Tifa and Cloud, even if I don't agree. But I'll never understand why so many people can't seem to see how Cloud and Aerith are clearly depicted as romantic, especially in the Remake.
Same
The intentionally choose to deny and remain ignorant to they dynamic between Cloud and Aerith. It's insane to me
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Did people forget that Tifa wasn't even going to be in the game at all originally? It was only Cloud, Aerith, Barret and Red.
And like dismantled and the ultimania states you get Aerith if you play normally. You literally have to go out of your way to get Tifa.
With things like lying and saying Tifa is your girlfriend, literally having to walk around Aerith to get to Tifa in the sewers, etc.
And even in Remake sewers Clouds arrow is pointed to Aerith on the mini map.
And there is soo much more. People really like to self insert themselves onto Cloud. It's ok to have a preference. They gave the option for a reason. But to act like Tifa is Clouds canon choice doesn't make any sense.
Even after her death they don't work out. And Clouds still looking for Aerith in his cameos in other games.
The whole video he did was 90% Tifa focused, It's wild it's a "masterclass" on FF7 whilst cutting almost every scene with Aerith and several other characters in. Then to tweet that the games story leads Cloud and Tifa together lol
For me, playing FF7 and ignoring Aerith is like ignoring Cloud this whole time. However, this surprises me less and less, because I come to the conclusion that many Clotis do not like Cloud as much as they like Tifa, but he is the main protagonist in the game, not her, which some of them do not cope with very well
Tifa Fantasy 7 is the game they want to play lol
@@mlwjrpg😂😂😂
Legit though. Why does every other FF7 essay person go "Aerith is amazing. I wish I had someone in my life like her. She is everything that is good in the world. If only Cloud could have saved her. He loves her so much.... But Tifa is the obvious canon love interest and I will not elaborate further."
Saying that ff7 is a masterclass in storytelling and then saying ur fav ship is tifa and cloud is kind of wild to me... I know there is a lot that ties together tifa and cloud and them being childhood crushes and tifa looking after cloud what not, but the fact that aerith and cloud don't have that kind of tie makes their relationship that much weirder...and better.
Starting with Aerith being the canon choice as rosa in the loveless play, and cait sith prophesizing the same fortune for all rosa's (which is Aeriths fate), also that rosa's weapon is literally a staff and we know which party member uses a staff, but the best part about aerith being the canon rosa is that the story for loveless completely matches her story with cloud and sephiroth AKA starcrossed lovers (Alphried being cloud - rosa being Aerith - Barret being sephiroth), and to make it even better... guess where aerith and cloud first meet, on loveless street! Even this little part of the story is so well crafted its insane, imagine how intricate the story is when it gets about aerith and cloud... if this is not canon it wouldn't have taken such a big part out of the game. Everything makes sense and everything clicks together, the story is so cohesive when aerith is the main interest. So to say ff7 is a masterclass in storytelling and maaaajorilly omitting aerith and her relationship with cloud out of the story does not make sense at all.
I've made this point elsewhere but I can't believe that these 'storytelling analyzers' completely ignore what the game was trying to convey about the Promised Land the entire time. Aerith says no one knows where it is, Cetra were nomadic people that would journey until they'd find it, that they would feel it once they got there. Her mom wanted to leave on that adventure to search for her promised land. Death was never overtly referred to as the promised land. They always called it 'returning to the planet.' And for some, that might have been their PL after a long journey where they'd reunite with their loved ones. But ultimately, note that the ONE description that we get about the PL is that it's a land of 'supreme happiness.'
Look at ShinRa's obsession with finding it. ShinRa's interpretation of the PL is that it's a land where people are happy and want for nothing, hence they concluded that the land must be fertile and ripe for mako harvesting.
It's hilarious to me as you can imagine that they chose that ending scene where Cloud sees Aerith, and immediately talks about the promised land.... AND MEETING HER THERE. It's an overt declaration that Cloud's Promised Land IS WITH AERITH BECAUSE SHE IS HIS SUPREME HAPPINESS. Sigh. This fandom is so tiring lmao.
I'm a month late to this, but there's also this which supports what you're saying ruclips.net/video/cQcGAQYIyKg/видео.htmlsi=LxxQSLHj_IM0Njba
Then there's also all the references to aerith when referring to cloud's "promised land" in the FF7R X Mobius collab, which you can find online
One thing I would like to point out is, this game for many people is about loss. Loss cuts deep and it can define you. Cloud losing Aerith in the OG helps him to find himself his true self that comes out when she dies in his arms. The short monologue this guy gave after that scene should have been a pivotal moment in his view of storytelling. But of course, these fans focused more on a ship than the actual point of the story and its main character.
Great video!
It still baffles me that he decided to not include that specific moment in his "masterclass" video lol
@@mlwjrpgYeah. I think he should at least update the video and actually talk to Aerith and really use her in game to see all of her dialogue.
"i think we can meet her there" dang. 27 years later and i STILL remember cloud did NOT say that. it has always been "i think i can meet her... there" that line meant so much to us especially in disc 3 because of how limited we get to see aerith then, only a glimpse here and there. so every time cloud mentions her and then said HE wants to find her, it was like a meaningful gift to us players who miss aerith and CA's interactions. there's no way they can just edit the translation and think they can get away with it. trynna fool us but they be foolin' themselves~ :'))) love your videos! keep 'em coming!
It drives me crazy when I see the ending translated that way...And I've been in many debates with people saying it's a mistranslation lol...It's clear as day what the translation is and it's about Cloud having a revelation, and there is no other person he is referring to other than Aerith.
@@mlwjrpg Is there an official English release of FFVII where he says I? I swear I’ve seen it before unedited, without need to translate from Japanese. But everywhere I look now he says we. It’s like a mandela effect.
@@mlwjrpg lol no wayyyyy really??? it was never a mistranslation issue for so many years. why now? i guess it became a "debate" after remake came out huh. i cant help but laugh they need to chill 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂
You are the cure to the delusions this fandom suffers from.
Ha ha I wouldn't say I'm the cure, but it's on several of us to slowly chip away at those mass delusions.
@@mlwjrpg too many people started the compilation with either Advent Children or Crisis Core and built their initial bias. It's a mighty big mental block to break apart.
Hi there. This whole situation feels like the entire problem with FF7 discourse and kind of the problem with the entire internet. If I was to take an educated guess, I’d say this guy likes Tifa (which is fine) and then when doing research for FF7 read a bunch of tumblr blogs of people warping the meaning of FF7 to be purely about Tifa. So in his head it makes perfect sense, but his point of view isn’t the entirety of all human existence. He can’t have my point of view.
Why can’t he just be honest and say “I like Cloud and Tifa’s story for these reasons.” Why does he feel the need to selectively choose which scenes to include and not include. Why does he feel the need to say something is canon where, in truth, it is open for interpretation?
It’s so frustrating to see so many writers, web sites and video people just going along with the group think rather than just doing their best to play the game and asses it with out a bias, or just be honest.
Anyway, part 3 will probably be a rude awakening for a lot of people. Cloud’s identity crisis is going to get a bit real.
Bruh only mentions healing wind? Not Fury Brand? Planet Protection? That's how I know he didn't bother leveling her at all lol
Fury brand was my jam. It has a slightly dark implication upin inspection (Aerith using magic to drive her teammates into a berserk/adrenalin-frenzied state), its a subversive twist on the white mage class, and a nod to Aerith's mischievious headstrong side
This is one of my main problems with people who are more Tifa then Aerith prone … they completely eliminate their interactions stating them as either nothing at all or use Zack as an excuse.
Not once was there any support to a layout didn’t show any Aerith content. Clouds reaction to her death is a monumental moment in OG and Rebirth.
Look at the differences in Rebirth on the sky wheel dates with Cloud body language it’s really interesting.
It's odd that a "masterclass" on FF7 is 90% Tifa focused...ummmm that's not how masterclasses work lol
@@mlwjrpg I want reports , I want comparisons, hard evidence to make me think .
The other thing with the dates in Rebirth is you can see the amount of effort that went into crafting Cloud and Aerith's scene compared to Tifa and Cloud's. In Tifa's date scene with Cloud it seemed kind of lazy the way it's shot and the lack of dynamics used for the cinematography. It's kind of boring actually. And in the high affection portion, him kissing her actually should make Tifa angry because he kisses her after seeming jealous that Aerith might still like Zack and Tifa seems sad because she knows his true feelings aren't for her. The Cloud and Tifa date also makes no sense in context with the story. They really shouldn't have made Tifa an option because it makes the story incoherent which is the reason for the ridiculous shipping wars.
@@Guy9998 @mlwjrpg did you also notice the way he closed off with Tifa when they enter and when the chocobo holograph comes in she moves it and he does nothing then there is a solid 30secs of nothing and the first thing he brings up is Aerith , they talk about her and Zack and you see Cloud kinda change as in like he doesn’t have a chance with Aerith cause of Zack and then does a complete 360 in the date with Tifa all aggressive leading into the kiss, when they get off they get off separately and awkward… it’s weird.
Then with Aerith he’s more open , still a little closed but more in a nervous kinda of way. When the space ship hologram comes in Cloud immersion goes in for the save and we get the cute little moment of her falling into Cloud and he catches her. Bring up Zach seemed more natural and the conversation flowed more as it was a Aerith affirming to Cloud that she wants to be with him ( I want to be with YOU) then we get the interlocking handholding that Cloud looks again super nervous but like it’s a progression of a natural relationship, when they get off he grabs her hand to help her.
@@turtlepowerr I did. Even the fact that she says her conversation with Tifa was about nothing important and Cloud just leaves it there. You can take it that she's lying to Cloud about Tifa not telling her about him remembering Zack, but I think it more or less implies that she doesn't want to talk about Zack and that her relationship with Zack is in the past and is no longer important nor relevant. With Tifa, Cloud tries to keep the conversation about Aerith and Zack going and Tifa ends it.
Awesome video. FF7 is also a master class in subverting expectations.
Back in ‘97everyone knew Aerith and Cloud were the romance. Tifa was simply the busty babe from Cloud’s childhood. That’s why when Aerith dies the impact was unlike anything in video games.
Final Fantasy is no stranger to killing off characters, even party members, but never the “white mage” main protagonist’s love interest.
If Aerith is just an optional romance then it really cuts the knees out from underneath the game.
I was there in ‘97, I still feel the loss. Incredible game, great response video.
I feel you man, still hits till this day and I'm 36.
It's crazy people can play through this game and completely be blind to Cloud and Aerith's dynamic.
@@mlwjrpg I agree. I subscribed and hit the 👍.
I’m sure you’ve seen it but Pollen Ainne has 4 videos about Cloud and Aerith in Remake. I believe they’re called “signs of a complicit relationship.”
Check them out it’s good stuff.
@@DrVarner Hers are great. "Cloti is invalid" is another one which hits you over and over in a humorous way.
Preach it brother. You are literally the voice of truth. I love how Tifa fanboys take an optional scene and treat it as an ultimate truth 😂
Also FF7 was marketed as "the lovestory that could never be"
Why it could never be? Well because the main hero loses the woman he loves. That's why. No matter how you look at it FF7 is the story of Cloud and Aerith.
I always find it surprising when people consider one or the other ship to be the only canon couple. It's very clear that both of the girls are dear to Cloud. Love is a complex feeling, it plays an important part in the ff7 story, yet so many fans pick and choose which moments matter to favor the pairing they like more. How frustrating.
This really shows that there are ff7 fans and then there are Tifa fans, we shouldn't confuse the two. People experience art on different levels and you can't expect people to appriciate it beyond their own limitations and biase.
It's impossible for many people to enjoy the game and story for what it is vs what they want it to be.
Great and concise reaction video. I just want to add that SE produced "Reminiscence of FF7" which was a story compilation released alongside Advent Children, where I believe they even took the opportunity to revise some translations.
Even so, Cloud's final words were STILL LEFT AS "I think I can meet her there". I think that says everything about their intent for that line.
I'm not sure where that guy got that biased translation mod from, but I wouldn't be surprised if many new fans are using such fan mods for their OG playthrough and getting the wrong impression of that scene. This fandom is so annoying about Cloud and Aerith, so thank you for your channel and videos!
Yeah you have to think how many people played FF7 og recently for example, how many of them played with the real translation vs this modded version? Oof...it's a shame to think how many people were presented the wrong version.
Thanks for this masterclass in the bloody obvious and the conviniently overlooked. None so blind as those who refuse to see. That "translation" of 'we can meet her there' - this is the first time I've ever seen that. In the game it's "I". And in Reminiscence of Final Fantasy 7 it's "I" as well.
The masterclass in storytelling starts with two theme songs focused on the two main players' love story. Of inserting a side quest where you take her picture in front of star formations to subtley remind you they're star-crossed lovers. And of course of not having to tell everyone their affectionate date scene in Rebirth is just fan service. Among other things...
Wether you like Aerith as Cloud’s love interest or not, a video this long that is meant to display why FFVII’s Narrative is so great, needs to have at least a somewhat major focus on Aerith. The narrative’s most central characters are Cloud, Sephiroth, and Aerith. I’d say Tifa is probably the 4th most central character but not to focus on Aerith much in the video just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Also not focusing much on Aerith before her death, makes her death hit so much less. How can you barely talk about Aerith up until the scene where she dies? If you’re gonna talk about why that scene is peak storytelling, you should show how much Aerith mattered BEFORE that moment. Because if she didn’t matter before that moment, her death wouldn’t be one of the most talked about moments in gaming history.
@@speedboom9392 Aerith's death scene also tells the player all they need to know about how Cloud feels about her. They don't seem to get this. Contrast this scene to when Cloud finds Tifa dying. He just puts her to the side so that no one will trip on her, leaves her for dead and goes after Sephiroth. I never understood why Tifa never asked Cloud why he just left her there to die. With Aerith's death, he doesn't even want to continue to fight anymore and Sephiroth is right there. Cloud doesn't even bother attacking him.
@@Guy9998 Yeah both in the OG and Rebirth, Aerith’s death is when Cloud looks the most distraught, throughout the game. It’s kind of reflects the players in a way too. In Tifa’s “death” it was sad but we never really knew her too well yet. When Aerith actually dies, we’ve spent so much time both caring about her ourselves, and seeing how much Cloud cares about her. Not only are we distraught because Aerith died, but we’re also distraught because Cloud is distraught.
@@speedboom9392 Yeah since the player is taking the role of Cloud. I guess you could make the argument that Cloud didn't really know Tifa very well either so it makes sense that her "death" doesn't have the same effect like Aerith's death did.
Yeah. We all know Cloud cares for Tifa of course. But he didn't cry for the 2 times he thought she died (when they were kids, when he thought he killed her himself). And he didn't cry about Jessie, Bigs, Barret either.
The only 2 times we ever see Cloud cry is about Aerith. I think the devs did that intentionally to show just how much he loves Aerith.
you are a gem in our fandom. subscribed! can’t wait to watch more videos 😊
Thank you! I appreciate that! Trying my best to get some more clerith content on YT!
Finally! A warm homely place for Clerith's soul like mine, where nobody will deny the obvious things about these two. Thank you for the videos!🤍
Yeah we're not playing this game and choosing to be ignorant lol
Yeah most Tifa fans on RUclips seem to be a lot more chill while the ones on Twitter are often…unhinged to say the least.
LOL idk why this made me laugh so hard, but seems to line up yeah.
@@mlwjrpg Yeah RUclips is just “I’m sometimes a little too aggressive”
Twitter is sometimes “I’m gonna dox you and insult your entire bloodline”
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Appreciate you! I love making them, not enough Clerith content on YT. I'm helping change that!
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I can play Zack Ninostyle with FF7 7th heaven with 16:10 world map, Threat 2.0 version 60fps, 30fps movie
Tifa is the obvious love for Cloud. I mean you can love people differently but Arieth is the one who had the wrong attraction she's the star-crossed love interest the heroine who falls. As an Arieth fan boy it's painful to see her struggling with her lose of Zach being twisted by Zachs attachment which Clouds mannerisms because he is still a soul broken individual. That's why she wanted to meet the real Cloud because she never seen him she saw Zach!
It's very odd you call yourself an "Aerith fan boy" (by the way you mispelled her name) and follow up with those insane mental gymnastics about Zack.