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You inspired me for the new update. Never thought of split platform sections. In Germany it's common to share a platform for 2 trains going in the opposite direction. I had this in mind planing but never realized it. Thanks for the input
No problem glad you found it useful :)
@@Hushey I've discovered some issues. I've made a 3 platforms on each side and the last or first Plattform don't get any service depending on the prior Track.
Example : 1---2---3->
Prior 3, don't get services at 1 even with connection. And also with 1 and no service with 3. Any ideas?
@@philipw6611 not quite sure what you mean. Add my discord Hushey On RUclips#7555 and send me a screenshot to help visualise if you can
@@philipw6611 I have the same 3 platforms on each side.. and they work.. make sure when you set the trains stops start with the faraway part of the station first. for exemple when you set the trains stops.. put them like this.. 1 stop = line 1 and the alternatives on 2 and 3. do the same for any station you build using multiple stop spliting on the same station.. and they will work..and make sure the station stops are long enough so the train that stops in it.. have enough room to get inside the spot. Hopes it helps.
@@eurostarguy373no mods, vanilla
The design of the station bears a very strong resemblance to Erfurt Hauptbahnhof 🇩🇪 (it also exists as a mod!)
Very cool! Thanks for sharing diego! This design is losely based on Sheffield station :) hope you enjoyed feel free to subscribe if you did
Going to make this a separate comment. After playing a map specifically with these terminals (and your cargo hubs - which I LOVE), the downside I see to this is that it makes having shorter express lines a pain (2-4 major cities, or between 2 major cities). I setup my mainline initially between 6 cities (4 big cities, 2 little ones). I'm using JR East 253 units on my 'slow city to city' routes (you're using the RAE? here). This works great. However if I want one of the big trains that are in the 250-300+ kph range, then they're too long to effectively use those middle tracks and you're making special turn around loops for them. My point is that there's definitely some compromise and playstyle change needed to use these stations to their max. Although with how your outer platforms are setup with multiple terminals on the same track, there's definitely room to stuff a lot of trains on there on 1 big express line that goes up the entire mainline, but then you lose some of the fine tuning. I'm still sorting this part out lol. I've committed to playing this map out to keep getting used to your cargo hubs, but am still experimenting with the pax lines and terminals. That said, I do want to thank you for your videos. Have learned from them.
Thanks for your comment! Theres always a bit of wiggle room with sandbox games like this so youre quite right to adjust it. Im actually publishing a remastered version of this video tonight or tomorrow which is much more in depth! Hope you like it 😁
The best thing is this is possible with base game features and not reliant on mods. I adapted the idea to create a mixed freight/passenger setup. The central road freight depot connected to the station connects to underground roads that only emerge at outlying depots, basically a subterranean hub and spoke system that local traffic can’t utilise as the depots are the only destination.
Definitely. Sounds interesting glen, please share it with the discord!
これはとても素晴らしい動画であり、あなたはとても素晴らしい配信者です!
日本にはTPF2の配信者は少なく貴方が思いつく素晴らしい発想が広まらないことを私は悲しく思います。
これからも頑張って!私はあなたの活動を極東から応援しています!!
ありがとうmiguyu、気に入っていただけて嬉しいです。 そしてコメントを残していただきありがとうございます
This seems like a great idea (and it's actually realistic, the track arrangement is called a lap siding in American terminology) but when i try it in game, my trains only use the front section and I get "Could not connect all alternative terminals" errors. Am I doing something wrong or has something changed?
EDIT: I figured it out. You cannot put signals after the platforms. They can go on the through tracks, but you can't put signals between the platform sections. You don't need them and they mess it up completely.
OMFG!!! Why i didn't think about this before.. Now this is a game changer when it comes to build HUB's and stations.. This unlocks infinite combination to build stations and have multiple diferent trains on 1 track line inside the stations..and it does not require MODS!!! Jeeeezz My man.. you've made my day. Thx for sharing this trick.. it is just phenomenal. I was spinning my head around on how to fix the damn trains queue's before stations without MODS and thx to this trick my problem is solved. No more trains queue's before stations!!! Now my train's traffic flow's like a charm.
Boom! This design is the most efficient station design for integrating all train types and one of the most efficient cargo designes too! Cargo best station is on my to do list. Very glad it helped you out! Feel free to subscribe for more :)
@@Hushey Just subscribed after i posted the first comment :) And yeah.. i just did a complex cargo train HUB using this metod of spliting the same station. And works like a charm. For exemple.. if a 4 tracks double station is splited to 3 parts o each side.. left and right. It can manage easily 12 trains to that station only.. and thats is way more efficient than doing 12 tracks stations for using 6 trains in two diferent ways but they will have to queue because they can't enter the station if 1 train is inside on each track..but by spliting the station they do not wait in queue. This way multiply's the station efficiency by 50%. Damn .. i wish i was thinking about this trick earlier.. now i have to redo all my all ready developed map.. using this types of stations.. and watch the damn FLOW run. and the money fill the bank.. hehehe.. i all ready doing $160+ millions per year on what i updated now .. but after i finish all the map network i've build before.. it will jump to at least $300+ millions per year .. net income. But man.. the flow thru these stations is just CRAZY!!. hehehe.
it is! Glad you found it useful
Nice . I'm going to try this next time I play. I do like a nice busy station. Trying to find the best approach for a big terminal station at the moment.
Great! Glad u found it handy Animal!
I never thought about splinting them i'am new to the game, but what i did my second game was to have separate TGV train going to the bigger cities (+400 ppl) and eventually to transport hubs (when rail from North to South crosses East to West). The rest is connected via separate line going next to TGV (love racing trains on it :P) and stoping on every possible point. When i do full circle i might do 2 separate TGV train lines. On lower speed lines i also haul cargo trains. if they don't have their own, since they are often going somewhere in the woods...
Cool! I'm pretty much a beginner so my stuff is really crude, but I enjoyed the video and will work towards utilizing the concepts and maybe even the station. Thanks for your time & effort to share share with us!
not a problem super happy you found it useful Shawn!
I go for the same style as longer stations are less disruptive to city fabric than wide ones
one thing though - I make them lowered down, so I can make level bridges at both ends. So the city end's up being cut off by up to 400 in length (in the largest city) by the station, which is basically minus one large street. The width is basically platforms and tracks, as bridges basically have 0 base. And I place them in the middle of my cities. But yeah - I find this configuration the best :)
Just got my new PC after not touching the game for a year (had a rather weak one till yesterday) - played for ten hours, about half way through the central train-metro-tram station in the main city (though I use trams on tracks and I for level crossing without those pesky bumps, so it takes a lot of planning which definitely took a bite into that 10 hour of station building).
Only problem with this layout - had to change the plans for the tram line as had to add terminals at the ends of the train central station as it ended being some 600m in total and it would actually take a while for a sim to walk from center to the furthest platform where I ended up putting terminating commuter trains.
Cool! Good going ivan!
omg..... alternative platform tool is more useful, than I thought
Its brilliant! Thanks for watching!
It is indeed . It guarantees a good flow
Your design makes perfect sense but i keep stumbling over the left and right-hand traffic. i always have to take extra time to think about it
Its tricky to cover when half the world uses one and half the other. I do my best tho
Found your short vid about this and built a Station like this on my map. A little bit longer but quite the same. Only need to make some lines which use it and then i hope everything will work as planed. Nice Video Thumb up.
Brilliant hope you like it Noize! Thank you.
obvious question, but why deliver from distribution to towns only using trucks? Surely it would make sense to have mega trains leaving the distribution hub and stopping at all stations delivering all goods and while it's doing that bring goods from towns back to the distribution hub?
Yes thats right thats how its done. The example is just for capitol, sorry this wasnt explained the best it could be
@@Hushey Thanks for the reply, was scratching my head for a bit thinking I had missed something.
Wow. This is awesome! The best I've seen. Gotta try it. Thanks for this.
No problem rod! Really glad you found it useful! Subscribe for more!
1:30 "traffic without stopping "
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1:33 "are stopping"
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1:39 "honestly this station is ... efficient"
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... honestly ? Scout honor ?
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😂It works way better tho probably not the best footage i used i promise lolll
@@Hushey
hehe, love you m8 !
Just some Sunday humor: otherwise your videos helped me a lot to master TF2 !
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Question... what do your end stations look like, and how do you route the tracks for those? Spent hours building, destroying, and repeating several times to get it setup like what you're using (more or less) for a few cities. But the routes at the end cities aren't happy. Because they weren't the true end - was going to expend, I ended up having to put a loop in behind those terminals to make it work. But without some elevated passes (which is a pain) I see this becoming very messy at the end. Especially since I'm running 6 lines for my main track (1-2-3-3-2-1, with 3 being my mid speed, 2 being my slowest trains/freight and 1 being my high speed trains). Just doing my main stations is a pain. And I haven't even hooked up my freight yet - I always do the pax lines first.
frankly, terminuses suck. I avoid them at all costs unless theres a city in the very extremety of the map with no choice but to use. Theyre just not very good unless theyre bulky as hell.
My brain melted never thought about doing this lol
there ya go then! 😛
When allowing the long length cross-country service to pull in on the end of the platform (3 and 14), does the fact that the long platform is broken into several short ones behind it (1,2 and 12,13) affect the load/unload time of the cross-country train since its platform is shorter than the total length of the train?
It does yes. However, this dosent matter as you want all trains aside from commuter to sit in the station a short while so they can fill up as much as possible. Cheers for the comment Daniel!
Not to flex or something but I discovered that way back in 2019. And to make it even better you can use a X-junction instead of 2 N-junctions
You can do, but I think N junctions are better in this instance as they can pull onto the designated through line. Maybe you can share some insight into your thoughts, why is x junctions better in your opinion? Thanks for watching
@@Hushey While EljeOett may have discovered this earlier, the power that has been added with the use of alternate platforms improves this drastically. Would it be possible to do X junctions with one way signals to help control direction? Then incoming trains would be able to skip trains at early platforms to go to the other platforms further down the line. For example: at 6:50 you setup the alternate routes for trains at platform 1 or 2 to avoid a train at platform 3. One issue I see is if a train is coming into platform 2 or 3 but another train is at platform 1, the incoming train must wait for platform 1 to clear. One thing that would bring this strategy to a halt is a long train that came from the middle through line and stopped at platform 3, blocking the through line. So all trains would have to fit within the platforms to avoid this. Let me know your thoughts.
@@sekondnature101 I see. Great idea if you're running most or all commuter services. However I avoided this as you can't really do cross country /express very well here. Thanks for your input and for watching!
@@Hushey I played terminal railways as a kid and they had a station with the same setup with x junctions so when I started playing TpF2 I tried it and it worked. I would rather use a X junction because of my memories about it and because if you use a N junction and one train is blocking the tracks where the train has to pass a normal long platform would be better, only downside with X platforms is that you need 2 tracks in between, where if you use N you can build with one track in between. Also x junctions feel slow but I think the trains are as slow in a N as a X junction
Meanwhile I've been using a single modded train station with minor customisation for every city I connect, might see if I can edit them in certain cities with passing tracks and multiple platforms on a single track though
Awesome! Thanks for sharing Fire frost
i did that very same thing on my first station, for the same reason. also a mod of a german station have it build in
Great! With the new alternate platform tool its even better! Thanks for watching.
How’s that mod called?
Thank you so much for this vid !
No problem! Glad to help Wunderland!
Thanks a lot!
No problem! Thank you for watching!
@@Hushey love your videos, keep the good work up! 👌
Hey mate, ill give you a like for the effort but i wont pretend i understand any of that spaghetti monster you made there... Im an older player and i prefer simpler things. I think this only makes sense in your head, mate, for me it seems needlessly complicated. I prefer a simple 4 track station with 2 platforms on the outside tracks. Any express or freight trains can go through the middle 2 tracks, while any IC trains can stop at the 2 platforms. I think this would be enough for any medium and large towns.
I understand that you are trying to create realistic large train stations, but lets face it, in TF the maps are not even the size of a country, more likely the size of a county/district with up to 20 towns at most and a through station with 6 lines and 4 platforms is more than enough for most towns, but to each his own, i guess.
However, i have to give you credit for that split platform with switches in the middle of the station, that is pretty clever.
GG!
Cheers for the comment dangeruso! who knows, give it a try see if it works for you
isnt it better to make |x||X| switches cause than if there is a train it can go around the train i have that setup in a savegame i have you just need to set the signels correct and that wil work and if that is in this station is will work even better i think
Thats great if youre only running commuter services. It will get blocked if you start doing express, cross country, freight etc
Do the crosscountry trains get the loading speed penalty if they're longer than the platform section they're assigned to, or does the game recognize the fact that they're essentially a long platform?
Hey guag thanks for the comment! They do get this but the rest of the station makes up for it and more in efficiency so it dosent matter they are there slightly longer. Plus it looks cool!
Is this the forthcoming platform designation tool that's currently in the Beta version to allow alternate platforms to be used if the station is busy?
Yes! Thanks for watching
What mods did you use for your light rail example in this video?
Its custom on my personal game, you cant get it on the workshop. What i recommend is this one (which i use now too) steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3037982945
I did that station in transport fever 1 (don't ask me how)
How
@@Hushey magic
Just minus alternate platform feature
Basic question, what’s the difference between intercity and cross country routes?
Hi Graham no problem i understand they are very similar! Intercity is jumping from city to city. Cross country trains however may skip some cities to opt for speed instead. Hope this helps!
@@Hushey Thank you.
No problem! Have lots of fun with the station!
are you going to make a another play through?
Yes! Thanks for the concern skwiril
@@Hushey great!!!! love your videos 👍
I'll be honest, the distinction between "intercity " and "cross country" service is very unclear in this video. With your test map (which I did download to examine for myself, btw) only containing cities A, B, and C, having an ABC-run and an AC-run simply emulates a freight-passthrough.
Hi Fister! The map is just an example to showcase the main station shown in the video. I do agree i could be clearer. Cross country means more very long distance aka a non stopping service and intercity stops are major cities. Commuter trains stop at all towns and cities
@@Hushey Yeah, there's quite the diversity of nomenclature, not only among yootoobers like yourself but also in irl contexts. (My first career was in logistics, and the Transport Fever games seem to model the workplace rather faithfully.)
I'm curious, do you have any gameplay experience with Simutrans?
@@misterfister8641 no, i havent played this
@@Hushey Hey, I still don't get it. The Cross country and intercity lines are defined the same way. An inter-city train is typically an express train with limited stops and comfortable carriages to serve long-distance travel. What's the cross country then? I only find this sentenc on google towards a british way to transport people from one section of a city to another, which would mean I don't need the trains for that like shown on the map. What I am missing?
"Cross country means more very long distance aka a non stopping service and intercity stops are major cities" sounds like the exact same thing as InterCity, because it's an express long travel train.
It looks like we have trouble to understand the meanings between "british and european/german" meaning?
What's the benefit to use this station compared to a station which does just have a separate tracks for a passtrough? I don't get it :d
@@DerHouy interesting point raised. So im reffering as cross country to a more cross map service. One side to other. Like a bullet train sorta thing. Intercity means stopping at only the big cities and commuter at every city
How do you get passengers? I’m new.
Create stations connecting cities! Then add a passenger train
@@Hushey I have done that but no one is here, would u know why?
@@Mrham-vm4sx join the discord and message there
@@HusheyI joined but there is one channel and I can’t speak, srry for the waste of time.
@Mrham-vm4sx yes the channel says "click to accept the rules" or similar, click the button
you should explean signaling better
I have a video covering signals, this video is due a remaster as well 😁
This kind of station is mostly unnecessary overkill. The poor coding of the game will cause a map to grind to a halt when you have the number of towns which it would take to make the station operate to its full potential.
True, but its so efficient you can use it anywhere intermediately and on even 1/10th of the potential for max taffic flow