If Temples essentially started existing with the Guptas, then what about "The Mundeshwaari temple" in Bihar? It's been dated back to 108 CE by the ASI itself. The base of the temple still remains (the rest being demolished by islamic invaders) , with it's absolutely different hexagonal structure which doesn't resemble any conventional temple...
Actually stones or concrete temples started building when Greek arrived in India. The first known Hindu temples was built by bindusara in sachi which is now in ruins . Before that there might be temples of mud or wood which obviously can't survive to till date . So it's stupid to say temples started building only in this era . Actually most of Archeologist and historian do so which is again stupidity. In village, we have small shrine dedicated to gramdevta which is not so grand and long lasting.
She very clearly said current temple structures. She mentions the megalithic structures which were places of worship/ rituals as well as her stone worship. Why is it so hard to understand?
20:41 kurinji- lord Muruga; Kotravai- Palai; mullai- mayon/ Vishnu; Marudam- Indra; neidhal- Varuna. Tholkappiyam mentions this clearly. There is no fusing or anything
she's mentioning the mix of the northern and southern beliefs, hence "fusing". But she did get the gods for the respective landmasses very wrong, as murugan is not from marutham especially when he is referred to as kurinji kizhavan.
@Soul-c9e yes she is not well informed about sangam literature. Half knowledge is far more dangerous. She says Kanaghi was a jain. But she as per sangam literature was a daughter of a Ma Se Tuan as per sangam literature. Father was chinese and my mother was Tamil. Ranveer please do your research on your guest well. Quality is going down. Please
@@ananthanarayanan7122I also found her half knowledged . Because i have quite research on sangam period and there was Vedic Hinduism in sangam era too .
Lot of great people have contributed to Hindu Civilization in TN . We had a very good civilisation which was hidden by the Christian Missionaries, Congress and DMK .
@ Stalin has destroyed Hindu , Hindu Civilisation and TN in 1000 ways . I have documentary evidence and we have 100 Articles on how DMK destroyed . Hindu Civilisation has 30 topics or Branches . Has he arranged to write books on all the topics and spread worldwide. 2000 வருடமாக தமிழக பொருளாதாரத்தை வளர்த்தவர்கள் என ற ஒரு தலைப்பில் புத்தகம் எழுதப் பட்டுள்ளதா? 2000 வருட தமிழக அறிவியல் அறிஞ்ர்கள் என்ற புத்தகம் எழுதி உள்ளரா! இந்து , இந்து நாகரீகத்தை அழிக்க திமுக காரன் 250 புத்தகம் எழுதி உள்ளான். இதில் 100 என்னிடம் உள்ளது . தமிழ் அறிஞர்கள் என்ற திமுக திருடன்களை வைத்து 1000 புத்தகம் எழுதப்பட்டுள்ளது . இதில் 200 புத்தகம் என்னிடம் உள்ளது . பெரியான், அண்ணா, கருணாநிதி , ஸ்டாலின்- இந்த ஆட்களைப் பற்றி 100 புத்தகம் உள்ளன.
yes christian missionaries still do hateful activities but u ppl are over respecting others and they are disrespecting ur civilization. be proud of ur roots
Her aryan invasion theory itself is debunked. Let’s just say we still haven’t figured when tamizh or Sanskrit came into being . Why not 7000 years or why not 10 years ago ? Anyone’s guess 😊
Aryan invasion theory is used to justify all the invasions on India from 7th century when Khalifa Umar-Ul-Khattab😂😂😂 fools don't know Saraswati flowed in the indus valley civilisation and not eastern Europe
She said Aryan “migration”, not invasion. Lots of difference. The word Aryan was not introduced by the colonizers. It was referred to way before that. One early Pandya king’s title was “arya padai kadantha Nedunchelian”, meaning “Nedunchelian who overcame (or defeated) the Aryan army.
@@MadhumithaArunshankar Agree, but Let's not get into the origin of the term. I don't think anyone here argued that it was a term introduced by colonizers. The theory of migration/invasion is debunked. That's the only point being discussed. She subtly alluded that Indus civilization has no connection to hinduism as we follow now. That's also incorrect.
Bro we are Aryans. North or South doesn't matter all are indians. I live with Russian family for past 4 years. I have seen so many traditions are exactly same.
Ahm is me in Sanskrit and sangam is also in Sanskrit. Both languages are connected. Outsiders will come and try to divide which predates what but it should not matter for us Indians both are civilisational treasures
@@theawesomeman9821 Aryans never came... That was British propaganda and so many historians proved it was propaganda.. ahh man you live in information age... stop believing anybody at face value.... what is this Dravidian shit??? Robert Caldwell, a Scottish missionary and bishop, coined the term "Dravidian" in 1856.... man I wish I could show you stuff that these historians are leftist and they ruin our history by spreading misinfo and propaganda.... But anyway believe whatever you want... as this is kali yuga everything will degrade as we go.....
I don't believe that human came into existence in India and I can debunk so many things she says but anyway believe in whatever you are being spoon feeding by them... These western influenced psudo Historians are destroying our culture and civiliazation by spreading misinfo among some truth here and there... The whole podcast she speaks from a perspective that everybody is dumb and she will show us truth... we live in an info age and that too is controlled by the west but if you learn how to uncover, you will find it.... These guys are paid by west to destroy Sanatan, our culture and civilization and don't believe me research on your own... Aryan Invasion is propaganda and her base was they were invaded by aryans so that makes her whole argument false for me.... I can debunk so many stuff but as they will say where is the evidence??? There was advanced civilization pre Iceage and I somewhat agree with Nilesh oak but not entirely.....
Ask her to explain why in sangam literature silappadhikaram, the Jain author, Ilango adigaL , talks about how kovalan’s character was referenced against Rama ! The pandarangam dance referring to Shiva's dance. Kannagi, kovalan and everyone in different point in the epic, pray to Shiva, and for Go'd's sake this was written by a jain monk!
Exactly. She made lots of errors in this video. Avvaiyar was a devotee of Murugan. And she lived 2000 years ago. And yet the girl in the video claims Murugan appeared just a thousand years ago.
She is a left historian coming from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school. They will argue that only! Silapathigaram mentions clearly about her boundaries of Tamil Nadu till Tirupati. It also mentions about the Srirangam temple and Tirupati temple
@@phoenixj1299 How do you prove that the Muruga was same as Skanda/Karthikeya? She has mentioned about the fusing of North Indian deities with South Indian ones? I am a history student, so I have studies about the long process by which folk deities were fused into puranic deities. Avatar worships Murugan ( a native / pre-existing Sangam god) and not Skanda.
She does mention that Silapadikkaram is ;slightly later' than Sangam .FYI .It is dated to the post-Sangam age. Ramayana story is found in Jainism too , it is called Paumachariyam.
@@AnaghaThomas-k1gThis fusion happened much before Gupta period. The first bhakti movement started from south India in the form of shaivism and Vaishnavism and this movement fused local gods .
@@akshaymohandas4472 u use dravidian because u have been fool into doing so. just like how a small sect of people actually believe in flat earth and lizard people.
There was temples during Silapathigaram time which was part of Sangam (2nd period). Silapathigaram mentions the boundaries of Tamilnadu from Kanyakumari to Tirupati and mentions about the Temple of Vishnu is Tirupati and Srirangam
@ why are you shifting g the goal posts now? Are you comparing the Burj calipha to LIC building? Her point was there were no temples in Sangam. I say there were temples- evidence - Silapathigaram and Manimegalai. Whether it was like how it is today or how these temples will become tomorrow is not the question
The pantheon she is referring to is identical to vedic, just named differently. So I disagree with the notion that the southern pantheon is different. There is conceptual integrity, only form variance which is a natural freedom w/in Sanatan Dharma.
@@Vikingz7 my man Kannada and Telugu have 2000 year old history....Kannada and Tamil were the first of languages that formed from Proto dravidian languages
@@abednadir5997 Bro there is nothing called Proto dravida language.....in south Oldest Language is Tamil only , not dravida language And Tulu , kannada came next After mixing with Sanskrit and Tamil..... kannada have history but Evryone know , Tamil history so many people don't know that's why this video
The professor providing wrong information on Cholas Expedition in SEA region. 1. Not Sailendra Kingdom but Srivijaya Kingdom which the conquest was made. 2. Lineage from Rajendra Chola + Princess from Ganga Negara found Cebu Rajahnate in Philippines. 3. Cholas have deep rooted relationships with Khmer Kingdom and both these Kings are ardent devotees of Shiva.
Nonsense she deny the clear connection on Sangan literature and Agastya rishi. The local God's are just Tamil names for same deities not a fusion. There was no Aria Invasion as Manu Himself was a Dravida king... such people push abrahminical perspective that before was just a formless universal God that was later substituted by Puranic God's wich is false as Sangan literature has 5 main deities.
@@Sathish-sd5kb there are more proves of its connections than of such speculation that they hv no connection. all 5 Sangan Gods can be related to Vedic Gods in its iconography just they hv Tamil names. They still worshipped today. also u can find lot of Vedanta concepts similarities in Sangam literature. deny its connection that hv no proof is just speculative colonial foreign interpretation clear abrahminical oriented
Matsya Purana is a story written after the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam. This story is written by comparing the story of Noah's Ark and the flood of Kerala.The king of Kerala has been compared to Noah who is considered as the second Adam. After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the story we see today.
I don't know how it feels... My heart and eyes are melting when she speak about our history. The way o her talk is so beautiful to hear. I'm so proud of being thamizhan❤❤
@@santoshdimri6537 lol that's not Ma Durga 🤦🏻♂️ that's Kottravai... If u don't understand the historical and regional relevance of it u shouldn't go around saying ur amazed... Obviously a person who has no clue about Chinese will end saying Japanese is same as Chinese.
A true historian should have an open mind to check the possibilities and dive deep down into other aspects as well. Just debating and batting only for an evidence based study and not looking into the other aspects and possibilities cannot nullify the facts. When an historian thinks and speaks from only a religious or political point of view which he or she follows then such kind of debates obviously happen. Next time bring a better candidate for the show.
Because without evidence anyone can say anything even muslim historians are claiming rig Veda as a muslim text. As very first prophet Adam was born in india.
A triggering podcast after long. She speaks like a true convert, of course. I assumed that now that we have Sanatana history being researched by Sanatanis we would not have “historians” with an “agenda” getting such prominent platforms. I should have stoped the podcast once she mentioned the Aryan Invasion theory so casually, although it’s been disproved and debunked. I am appalled at the lack of respect she has for the unconventional historians, going as far as calling it fiction and pretty much idiotic in a polite manner, also laughing it off as if it were children’s’ work. I am just really happy to see Ranveer hold his ground and not buy into the crap she peddled. TRS has had ASI archeologists who dig and procure artefacts themselves who are way more open minded and have a true scientific mindset, bring them back a 100 times if that’s what it takes to replace Binny. I am sad to know she has students whom she is influencing to create the next generation of historians with an agenda. Do we really need a historian to gas light Hindus into believing there were no temples/hinduism before 1AD in this day and age? Definitely do not need any more of them in Kerala and TN, where this ideology has created a massive exodus of Brahmins from TN and Hindus from Kerala. Well, I guess she is a true representative of the states as we know them now, communist territories.
She believes in Aryan Migration - typical communist ideology. Most of the things which she's saying here is just a one sided agenda based opinions. On multiple occasions, she's spoken Ramayan and Mahabharatha to be myths and are related to Brahminism and not a cultural history of India. She has also spoken against construction of Ram Mandir in Ayodhya arguing the decision is baseless and there's no evidence for a temple beneath the Babri structure. She's some fraud with an agenda behind. Tamil people and culture is an inseparable part of Sanatana Dharma or Hinduism and it played the most vital role in protecting the culture and people in South, but all she's making it sound like Tamil is nowhere related to Hinduism and it's something different. Typical Communist way of diving the culture. All her arguments make it seem likes Hinduism is something created by Brahmins which is new thing whereas Tamil culture is completely different and very much old which is not as same as Hinduism.
@@shruti961 well glad she triggered you! A tight slap for whatsapp forward believing people... You will be happy only listening to people like Nilesh Oak or Praveen Mohan and believe their nonsense... Ofcourse you get triggered when actual people from the academia speak on it.. learn to understand history from mythology 👍🏻
Hey Ranveer, I think it would be amazing to have 'The Bogan' from BigBangBogan on the podcast! He has a deep understanding of Indian history, especially the evolution of Hinduism in South India and Tamil Nadu's rich cultural heritage. His insights into Sangam literature and the Aryan invasion theory are thought-provoking and would bring a unique perspective to the conversation. Given your focus on history and culture, I think this could be a fascinating and insightful episode for your audience!
She's talking about "social memory, inter-generational knowledge which is very very difficult to destroy". Suppose In case of an asteroid strike, only people from Thar, Namibia or African deserts survive (as per Ranveer) . They have been seeing Aeroplanes fly and have been using smart phones- internet all this time. After the catastrophic incident, these people will definitely be left with those memories of scrolling through a 6 inch screen but what would be the probability that those people in the midst of a desert or barren land would know the technology or the procedure to rebuild the same smartphone or internet. That is exactly why we have different "SMRITIS" in our culture, which is like a window to peep through into our past. Her arguments are damn flawed....
I appreciate how TRS has brought on so many respected historians and Indologists, shedding light on the complexities of Indian history, both North and South. It’s been refreshing to see experts untangle these narratives for audiences genuinely interested in understanding our heritage. However, I’d suggest being cautious with guests like Malavika Binny. Having listened to her Malayalam speeches, I feel that much of the information she shares isn’t evidence-based and seems to promote a specific ideological perspective. As a left-leaning Catholic, her approach to Indian history, particularly in relation to Sanatan Dharma, often feels influenced by Western ideas that could confuse viewers genuinely interested in understanding India's authentic history and cultural roots. It would be amazing if TRS could continue to invite more established archeologists/self-taught historians like Anuja Mann, KK Muhammed, Nilesh Oak, Raj Vedam, and others who bring well-researched and balanced perspectives to the table. Thanks for considering this feedback, and keep up the great work in showcasing India’s rich legacy!
Great podcast, love it! I wish it stayed more on Sangam literature though. Those poems are fun! One poem goes like this- A woman tells this to her partner who came back home drunk and singing loudly much to her dismay and may also have visited a courtesan- “you know last night my friend and I heard horrible sounds coming from outside. She said it could be dogs and I said it could be wolves. She said it could be owls, i said it could be donkeys. She said it could be ghouls. And I told her it could simply have been you.” 😂
I have just begun the podcast and have a contention to what is being said so I thought I’d leave a comment for the same - while she is right that there isn’t much talked about Southern India, I believe it’s not just Southern India. Indian history is much diverse and wide than what is being taught in history books, we are still learning about French Revolutions that happened outside India or about Mughals and Britishers who came to India. I believe the reason behind that is because we still have a faint British influence on us wanting us to learn more about the foreign lands and secondly I believe while the historians in India are working round the clock uncovering the truth of Indian history, there is still a lot to be done, it is still not mainstreamed. I believe the first step would be to mainstream the work of historians that will bring more stories and histories to light for Indians to be intrigued and be learning!
Great that you didn't generalise everything as south India in the title and specified as Tamil Nadu.. love from Karnataka ❤ Looking forward to even better episode on Karnataka 😉
Great to hear about Pulakesin the Great on the show! Most Indians do not know about such a great king and warrior! We hear of Akbar, Asoka and Chandragupta and there is no mention about Pulakesin. Even when we talk about the South, it is always the Cholas, people don't realise that there is so much more to South India than just the Cholas! Thanks for this wonderful episode!
51:20 It's not a logical claim that a traditional historian should made . The problem with traditional historians is that they think society developed with time . Here she is trying to say that modern women have better position in society than mediaeval period women so mediaeval women could had better position than ancient women. But above thinking is wrong if we think of evolution. Men and women both were the part of evolution. In ancient world there was very less differences between men and women. Women were equal to men but with time their position declined. She is citing an incident of Mahabharata very loosely. In Mahabharata,There are many references of women in royal court, the best one is gandhari presence during peace talk with Krishna. There are countless evidence of that but if you want to pick one riyal court that was always open for women then it would be court of king janaka of Mithila . Gargi , sulabha , apala are the best examples. In Vedic period women used to go in war and were the members of sabha and samiti both .
I am from Mithila, now Janakpur. And we still have proofs of existence of ancient civilization in Mithila. It's proud movement when someone mentioned your motherland.
@@ripsanskrit3609 you can't be cool having Rip Sanskrit DP . And your name says it all what you know about Vedic period. By the way you cry more for Tamil because Sanskrit is and will be a gem always.
Well, I don’t comment in videos generally but I have to do it now. Ranveer really understands his responsibilities as a youtuber who a lot of younger generation watches. The variety of content that he brings is really commendable. I hope more educational videos , especially videos on unheard historical perspectives about India, are posted in this channel. Thank you
Silapathigaram was very well explained, sangam tamil nadu and kerala together was a most forward thinking empires… where women poets sings songs, argues in courts, even as a monarch they voted to put in efficient administrators in power to govern under the emperor
"the south" ? We have 5 different states with 4 individual major languages and multiple smaller languages with varied cultures and traditions stop saying "the south" as if we're a monolith
Everything stolen from Tamil and portrayed as Malayalam. Whereas Malayalam itself is a concoction of Tamil and Sanskrit. Tamil is most ancient and great civilization but they don't know how to display it. I have nothing against Malayalam but Tamils are ignored by introducing a Sanskrit word Dravidian whereas Malayalam don't use term Dravidian. Don't call leftist as historians.
Finally, somebody who talks about Sangam and Tinais and how beautiful and glorious Tamil and South culture is! Her understanding of South India is amazing! I literally had goosebumps when she talked about Kannagi as most people don't talk about Tamil epics on big shows like yours, neither are they mentioned in textbooks. It is not about North vs South. It is about acknowledging that all regions of India had its own unique and rich history! Thanks, Ranveer for another great episode!
You are referring to the oldest functional temple in north india. Thats very different to the oldest temple, of which there are many that are contested.
@@User01029 well we are talking abt anthropology and genetics of demographics and timeline of migrations... So idk why u bringing irrelevant planetary talks 🤷🏻♂️ are u so keen on denying Linguistic and Genetics evidences of Aryan migration? Well if so ..then u can be ignorant 👍🏻
@ I hope you are intellectual enough to understand the comparisons! Let me put it in simple terms, Like we are know longer reading that there are 9 planets , same way AIT & AMT are debunked based on archeology, anthropology and scientific research.
She knows nothing about Sangam literature. There are many references of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The deity she mentioned is also wrong. Kurinji is Seyon (Karthikeyan), Mullai is Mayon (Vishnu), Marudam is Vendan (Indira) and Neithal is Kadalon (Varunan).
As a tamizhan and a tamil literature and history student i can say she did good job. She did some errors in details. But i appreciate her that she didn’t put the details here from ithihasa and purana type of mythological stories. Rather, she has combined the historical archeological findings and the claims of the Sangha literature to find some real facts. Our Tamil people’s History is more more glorious then Sanathana dharma itihas and puranas. Please dont Don't narrow our Tamil into your constrained zone. Vazhga thamizh. Yaathum oore yaavarum kelir❤
As Tamizh, I can approve that this OP doesn't know anything on Tamil Sangam Literatures and it's Sanatan/Vedic/Sanskrit Values & Philosophies. Majority of Sangam Literatures like Thirukkural, Puranaanooru, Paripadal etc all have underlying Vedic/Sanskrit/Sanatan Roots in them. Here's a quick transcript from Paripadal, a Sangam Literature glorifying Vishnu as primary deity of Mullai-regions. Paripāṭal i :Line 50 to 56 ஐந்தலை உயிரிய அணங்குடை அருந்திறல் மைந்துடை ஒருவனும்- you are the one with five heads who causes great fear and is one of great ability and strength - Sivan, மடங்கலும்நீ - one where all lives end, நலம் முழுது அளைஇய - with all benefits, புகர்அறு காட்சிப் புலமும்- faultless learning - Vēdās, பூவனும் - you are Brahman who appeared on a flower, நாற்றமும்நீ - you are creation created by Brahman, வலன் உயர் எழிலியும் - clouds that rise up with strength, மாக விசும்பும் - wide sky, நிலனும்- land, நீடிய இமயமும்- and the tall Himalayas, நீ- you, அதனால் - so, இன்னோர் அனையை- like so and so, இனையையால்- like somebody, என- thus, அன்னோர் - those, யாம் இவண் காணாமையின் - I have not seen here, பொன் அணி நேமி - wheels decorated with gold, வலம் கொண்டு ஏந்திய - lifting on your right side or lifting with strength, மன்னுயிர் முதல்வனை - you are supreme to lives on earth.
@@narayankashyap1063 sangam literature is collective of poems included lots of of mythological elements. You clearly dont know difference between nattar vazhipatu murai and vedhic religion work-ships. Even as per the vedhas there is no shiva. For the vedhic religion fire is the main god. We are not sanathan people because we are worshiping shivan perumal. Tamil peoples history has soo many impressions of aashivagam, jain and Buddhism religions also. Soo please dont constrain as with in the sanathan dharma. And don’t steel the credit from tamils. Our thamizh culture is more glorious then your sanathan dharma. Thamizh culture says Pirapokkum ella uyirkum. It never divides people by birth. Again i am saying our tamil culture is more glorious then sanathan dharma. Itha nee illa ungoppanuku appan vanthalum maatha mudiyaathu
@@Yathrigan143 bro don't say Myth... These people don't understand difference between critical evaluation of history and blindly substituting mythology with history
@@Yathrigan143 As an expert in Tamizh literatures and Philosophies, I can only laugh at your ignorance and poor knowledge. "பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும்" னு சொல்லி முடிச்சிட்டா போதுமா, அடுத்த லைனை உங்கொப்பன் சைமன் செபாஸ்டியனா வந்து சொல்லுவான்...? போங்கடா உங்க புள்ள குட்டிகளையாவது ஒழுங்கா படிக்க வைங்கடா...
@@InsightGrid620 but... But.. I get more followers if I say there are temples that are 30,000 years old and nuclear energy was invented in ancient wars...
Yeah buy also one shouldn't impose what Hinduism is and should be . Some believes siva is vegetarian and some believes shiva is non vegetarian. If some group sacrifice cow to their goddess, other should not rage
For the dumb people who say Silapathikaram happened in Madurai and not in Poompuhar it actually 280 km from Madurai. It happened in Pandya's Dynasty where Madurai is the capital.
People are so triggered with the word Dravidian but they brainwash to not know that dravida and arya was mentioned in the Vedas ,mahabaratham and ramayanam
Hindu mythology Matsya Purana is written in reference to the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam and a great flood that occurred in Keralam. The fish that appears before the king asking for refuge represents the Jews who came by sea. The fish getting bigger and bigger in a short time here means the more and more arrival of jews who fled their land after fall of Solomon's temple. In the history of Kerala, there have been many great floods that submerged Kerala. The jews who came to Kerala by sea may have warned about the coming heavy rain by observing the weather and wind. This may be the reason why Malsya Avatar is said to have prophesied about the coming flood. With the arrival of these foreigners, the story of Noah's Ark spread first in Kerala and later outside Kerala. Matsya Purana is a combination of these incidents in Kerala and the story of Noah. Noah was like a “second Adam” since all people come from him. And Adam is the first man according to foreign belief. In the Matsya Purana, the king who rebuilds flood-ravaged Kerala takes the place of Noah. After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the Hindu mythology that we know today. According to Jewish belief the ark of Noha came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. In purana King's giant boat came to rest on Malaya mountain. Mala itself means mountain in Kerala's language Malayalam.
Sangam surely is an underrepresented text but it is too biased to consider Sangam texts as reference but ignore Ramayana or Mahabharata as reference. She is talking about existences of materials and trade based on poems from Sangam texts but when deny when similar things are mentioned in Puranas and Itihasas Ramayana(Vanaras and Hanuman were from Kishkindha, modern day Hampi) and Mahabharata(person who provided food for both the sides during Kurukshetra was a king from Karnataka as a means to maintain neutrality) had kings present in the South and Puranas mention places in the South(Manu finds Matsya in modern day Madurai on the banks of Vaigai, then called Kritamala)
Hindu mythology Matsya Purana is written in reference to the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam and the great flood that occurred in Keralam. The fish that appears before the king asking for refuge represents the Jews who came by sea. The fish getting bigger and bigger in a short time here means the more and more arrival of jews who fled their land after fall of Solomon's temple. This story is written by comparing the story of Noah's Ark(great flood) and a great flood that later happened here in Keralam. In the history of Kerala, there have been many great floods that submerged Kerala. The king of Keralam has been compared to Noah who is considered as the second Adam. After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the Hindu mythology that we know today. According to Jewish belief the ark of Noha came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. In purana King's giant boat came to rest on Malaya mountain. Mala itself means mountain in Kerala's language Malayalam.
Puranas ain't real, I believe only a Vedic texts. Puranic are not actual facts you dummy, Vedic texts all are science not related to god's. Rudra, Indra, varuna all are related to some sort of science not gods. Rig veda is iron melting science. Puranas are written for Brahmins convenience. This ain't real. I believe in Mahabharata and ramayana but not puranas. Come out of that useless fiction
Sangam literature is different from ramayana and mahabharata. People used gods in their stories to legitimize it and curb any questions. Cholas too used this tactics. So if you are believing god himself rode a chariot then you had believe every kings conquest and the massacre that followed as divine judgements too.
@@CJ-ud8nf it's my first time seeing an allegation of reverse appropriation 😂 Matsya Purana is said to be the oldest of all the puranas as it talks about the creation story of this Manvantara. It is so hilarious to say that Matsya Purana was written after the Jews came when the Manu story is just a small part of Matsya Purana. FYI Matsya Purana has 291 chapters containing over 15000 verses while the Torah contains 5500 verses so atleast do prior research before spouting whatever comes to your mind
@@shivashankar-xy8zmshe mentioned Sangam literature talks about gods like Murugan, Mayyon, Kottravai etc so your argument of Sangam literature being different from Ramayana and Mahabharata is moot since both of them use gods and supernatural elements(Cilapattikaram talks about cursing and burning a city down by Kannagi) And your second point of having a religious rationale to justify war is true in the case of Cholas but Ramayana and Mahabharata never talked about a divine rationale for those wars, it was the commentaries which talked about it. Rama waged a war on Ravana because he kidnapped Sita and it didn't matter whether he was a God or not(especially since Ravana has a boon to be able to be killed by only a human so even Gods can't kill him). Yudhishthira waged war on Duryodhana because Duryodhana didn't give them even 5 villages and even Krishna negotiated for those 5 villages. And Krishna(the divine character in Mahabharata) was involved only because Kauravas went to him first not the Pandavas and Duryodhana chose Krishna's army while having the first choice.
Hi Ranveer! Super excited for this podcast :))) Keep posting great content, and still waiting on Ramayana Part 2 😭 I hope this comment gets linked and pinned, Btw your editing team is on point!!
Every body needs kaala jaadu stories. Like somebodies used cell phone on past and plastic surgeries have done in past.😮 she is genuine she tells the logical things
Ranveer I watch every episodes of yours without a thought of what the guests are saying previously. But in this podcast, I’m saying at this point 33:49 she got her mind fixed and close the convo of electricity 🙃 BTW I’m from Tamilnadu
Bharat has a very long history. There is no Dravidian history- there is only bharatiya history. North south east west were not exclusive cultures but were natural extensions of one another.
New thumbnail is bad. Because on first go, i can't get that it's podcast from beerbiceps. Thumbnail which is used in ranveer allahbadia channel, is better than this.
The presiding Sanatan God/Deities of Aindhinai(5 Lands) of Sangam era is the very first thing we Tamizhs learn. and here she proclaims that there were no Gods or Idolatry in Sangam, before "socalled" Aryans allegedly came in. Load of BS. Extract from Paripadal, a Sangam Literature calling Vishnu as primary deity of Mullai-regions. Paripāṭal i :Line 50 to 56 ஐந்தலை உயிரிய அணங்குடை அருந்திறல் மைந்துடை ஒருவனும்- you are the one with five heads who causes great fear and is one of great ability and strength - Sivan, மடங்கலும்நீ - one where all lives end, நலம் முழுது அளைஇய - with all benefits, புகர்அறு காட்சிப் புலமும்- faultless learning - Vēdās, பூவனும் - you are Brahman who appeared on a flower, நாற்றமும்நீ - you are creation created by Brahman, வலன் உயர் எழிலியும் - clouds that rise up with strength, மாக விசும்பும் - wide sky, நிலனும்- land, நீடிய இமயமும்- and the tall Himalayas, நீ- you, அதனால் - so, இன்னோர் அனையை- like so and so, இனையையால்- like somebody, என- thus, அன்னோர் - those, யாம் இவண் காணாமையின் - I have not seen here, பொன் அணி நேமி - wheels decorated with gold, வலம் கொண்டு ஏந்திய - lifting on your right side or lifting with strength, மன்னுயிர் முதல்வனை - you are supreme to lives on earth.
2:01:22 more structured and planed episode is needed. Too much to process. More clarity is needed on timeline ❤❤❤. Please do more of this in English. Thank you 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Though it may sound controversial, none of us-whether from the East or West-possess fully reliable proof of our histories, or even of world history as a whole. Much more research and evidence are required to verify the accuracy of our historical records, particularly regarding Indian history, which stands as one of the most fascinating among all ancient civilizations. As a devotee of Shaiva Tantra and Lord Sadashiva, I feel it’s important to acknowledge that, historically, there is little tangible evidence or clear narrative supporting the existence of Shiva as a historical figure. This absence in recorded history does not diminish the profound cultural and spiritual impact of Shiva, but it does highlight the need for further exploration into our past. Jai our Maha Bharat !
These historians have their own tweaks to history and with their command over language (english) & they will make u believe in their theories and versions . So pls read ....
Read translation of the poem - He gave me many splendid precious jewels that awed me. When my large family saw that, they took the finger ornaments and put them on their ears, put the ear jewels on their fingers, those meant for the waist on their necks, and those meant for the necks on their waists. They were like a huge family of monkeys with gaping red mouths scooping up the beautiful ornaments that fell to the ground, when the mighty demon snatched away enraged Raman’s wife Seethai. Heading a large family and thinking about removing their great sorrow, I was very happy along with them when our poverty and distress were removed.
This paragraph might seem that i take sides of alternate historians but please note that my pov is that inputs from both of them should be taken as inputs by both in their works so that they could synergize the exploration and deep understand the lost history. Respecting her love of evidence based history. I like the way she express the same. I am starting to think from the way she speaks, she has no idea to keep her mind open for the inputs from other people and ignoring few things saying that there were no logic. Nilesh oak kept the celestial evidence in the texts on the table and backworked using the scientific methods of NASA (from what i remember - it was a voyager's celestial map ) where he explains that for example the changes in earths axis were also calculated for arriving the celestial positions mentioned in texts.(point to note: Keezhali site was selected for excavation based on the reference in the texts and wow it contains a massive history but similar kind of references if taken for celestial positions is no common sense).If considering and calculating those using a well good source is not a common sense and logical per Malavika, then i think there os only 2 things, either she hasn't seen that explanation or she has an attitude to not to take the inputs from people who differs in ideology even without thinking.
I've read about the Chola empire ✨️, Sangam Literature 📖 during my 6th standard... especially Raja Chola, Rajendra Chola... today again i'm visualizing in this epic history podcast 🎙.
Madam, Raraja Chozhan conquired till orissa and His son Rajendra Chozhan conquired most of south asian countries also conquired till Himalayas and got a title Gangai Kondaan meaning one who conquired Ganges plains...
I don't believe Mesopotamia civilization is the oldest one. Actually i don't believe There is anything older than India and it's Civilization. What is the basis of it that are Vedas and it's scientific temperament than other comic books I've read youal novah also and sometimes felt bro watched everything happening in front of him like movie. 🙏
Cool fact, if Tamil Nadu was an independent nation today, it would have the fourth largest economy in the world, have the second largest navy in the Indian Ocean, and have the most educated population in South Asia. Tamils (and Dravidians in general) are impressive and should not be underestimated.
When talking about the deities of each land, it was astounding and shocking to see how she cleaverly didn't mention about Mayon/krishna worship in Mullai region and she literally changed the deities that associated with each land
@@Hgdy7 bro how is Krishna in Mullai?? Krishna was not even heard of at that time.. it takes longer..after Gupta Empire time when the people from north brought Krishna deity worshhp to Southern part.
Common women being able to approach the kings directly has been happening since time immemorial, pre Mahabharata time itself. Shakuntala is an example.
I am a Mexican that has been studying South India in particular Tamil Nadu and its rich and deep history. I can say there is no other ancient civilization that I have come across that has fascinated me the way the history of South India has.. not to leave out north India .. I now you have your caste systems and all but man you all really are the Mother Land in my eyes idc what anybody has to say about “Out of Africa” your land is the ONE! I don’t know how else to put in words but that each and everyone should be highly proud of your heritage because it is truly one to honor. Another awesome show Ranveer! 🫡❤🕉️☮️
Extremely dedicated and truly experienced tamizhans are there to explain better about us... This just a very surface level talk.. with nothing about the lives of us
While excavating Indus valley, they have found a PASHUPAT SEAL, and one of its copy seal has been found in Nepal. Indus valley has the culture of worshipping local goddess, that culture is only present in Nepal, in which we worship Kumari Devi, she is a living goddess 32:24
i didn't watch the podcast but i would to bring one point . why every time there is no criticism of thought ideas of guest by public .... every comment is sAme , always praising this that etc ... after every podcast you became more confused , there is no clarity regarding knowledge bing shared
If Temples essentially started existing with the Guptas, then what about "The Mundeshwaari temple" in Bihar? It's been dated back to 108 CE by the ASI itself. The base of the temple still remains (the rest being demolished by islamic invaders) , with it's absolutely different hexagonal structure which doesn't resemble any conventional temple...
Her facts are wrong. She is a Darbari historian.
She said in General . We don't have many temples which are older 1800yrs
She said with respect to South India🤦🏽♂️ when are you guys going to listen properly.
Actually stones or concrete temples started building when Greek arrived in India. The first known Hindu temples was built by bindusara in sachi which is now in ruins . Before that there might be temples of mud or wood which obviously can't survive to till date . So it's stupid to say temples started building only in this era . Actually most of Archeologist and historian do so which is again stupidity. In village, we have small shrine dedicated to gramdevta which is not so grand and long lasting.
She very clearly said current temple structures. She mentions the megalithic structures which were places of worship/ rituals as well as her stone worship. Why is it so hard to understand?
20:41 kurinji- lord Muruga; Kotravai- Palai; mullai- mayon/ Vishnu; Marudam- Indra; neidhal- Varuna. Tholkappiyam mentions this clearly. There is no fusing or anything
True
she's mentioning the mix of the northern and southern beliefs, hence "fusing". But she did get the gods for the respective landmasses very wrong, as murugan is not from marutham especially when he is referred to as kurinji kizhavan.
@Soul-c9e yes she is not well informed about sangam literature. Half knowledge is far more dangerous. She says Kanaghi was a jain. But she as per sangam literature was a daughter of a Ma Se Tuan as per sangam literature. Father was chinese and my mother was Tamil.
Ranveer please do your research on your guest well. Quality is going down. Please
@@ananthanarayanan7122Maasaathuvan is clearly a Tamil name. My Dad's name is also Maasaathuvan.
@@ananthanarayanan7122I also found her half knowledged . Because i have quite research on sangam period and there was Vedic Hinduism in sangam era too .
Lot of great people have contributed to Hindu Civilization in TN . We had a very good civilisation which was hidden by the Christian Missionaries, Congress and DMK .
True bro
Dravida Kazhakan, the mother version of DMK and the people end with Periyar mined these civilisation and propogated... Now Stalin done it
@ Stalin has destroyed Hindu , Hindu Civilisation and TN in 1000 ways . I have documentary evidence and we have 100 Articles on how DMK destroyed . Hindu Civilisation has 30 topics or Branches . Has he arranged to write books on all the topics and spread worldwide. 2000 வருடமாக தமிழக பொருளாதாரத்தை வளர்த்தவர்கள் என ற ஒரு தலைப்பில் புத்தகம் எழுதப் பட்டுள்ளதா?
2000 வருட தமிழக அறிவியல் அறிஞ்ர்கள் என்ற புத்தகம் எழுதி உள்ளரா!
இந்து , இந்து நாகரீகத்தை அழிக்க திமுக காரன் 250 புத்தகம் எழுதி உள்ளான். இதில் 100 என்னிடம் உள்ளது . தமிழ் அறிஞர்கள் என்ற திமுக திருடன்களை வைத்து 1000 புத்தகம் எழுதப்பட்டுள்ளது . இதில் 200 புத்தகம் என்னிடம் உள்ளது . பெரியான், அண்ணா, கருணாநிதி , ஸ்டாலின்- இந்த ஆட்களைப் பற்றி 100 புத்தகம் உள்ளன.
yes christian missionaries still do hateful activities but u ppl are over respecting others and they are disrespecting ur civilization. be proud of ur roots
Yes
Her aryan invasion theory itself is debunked. Let’s just say we still haven’t figured when tamizh or Sanskrit came into being . Why not 7000 years or why not 10 years ago ? Anyone’s guess 😊
Date is figured out based on carbon dating story can be made anytime
Aryan invasion theory is used to justify all the invasions on India from 7th century when Khalifa Umar-Ul-Khattab😂😂😂 fools don't know Saraswati flowed in the indus valley civilisation and not eastern Europe
She said Aryan “migration”, not invasion. Lots of difference. The word Aryan was not introduced by the colonizers. It was referred to way before that. One early Pandya king’s title was “arya padai kadantha Nedunchelian”, meaning “Nedunchelian who overcame (or defeated) the Aryan army.
@@MadhumithaArunshankar Agree, but Let's not get into the origin of the term. I don't think anyone here argued that it was a term introduced by colonizers. The theory of migration/invasion is debunked. That's the only point being discussed. She subtly alluded that Indus civilization has no connection to hinduism as we follow now. That's also incorrect.
Bro we are Aryans. North or South doesn't matter all are indians. I live with Russian family for past 4 years. I have seen so many traditions are exactly same.
Any Tamil here ?
Namaste from chandigarh my dear brother and sisters.❤❤
Meee A Karnataka tamilian❤️
Vanakam da mapla tamil nadu irruthu
Ahm is me in Sanskrit and sangam is also in Sanskrit. Both languages are connected. Outsiders will come and try to divide which predates what but it should not matter for us Indians both are civilisational treasures
😂😂 @@mathi1442
வணக்கம்🙏
Read Tamin Nadu History books for various exams but seeing this revived all my memories.
Cholas, Chera & Pandyas. What a heritage we had 🤩🤩😍😍🚩🚩
She is psudohistorians and although some of things she says is true but most of it is just Bs proving western Bs historians.....
So you want to prove human existed india before amoeba was developed in West?
@@Sdgutfbb34566yeaaa... People like this think that the first human came into existence in India. He cannot give 1 proof that she is wrong.
what did she say that was wrong?
Dravidians existed in India with their civilisation before the Aryans came, like she said.
@@theawesomeman9821 Aryans never came... That was British propaganda and so many historians proved it was propaganda.. ahh man you live in information age... stop believing anybody at face value.... what is this Dravidian shit???
Robert Caldwell, a Scottish missionary and bishop, coined the term "Dravidian" in 1856....
man I wish I could show you stuff that these historians are leftist and they ruin our history by spreading misinfo and propaganda....
But anyway believe whatever you want... as this is kali yuga everything will degrade as we go.....
I don't believe that human came into existence in India and I can debunk so many things she says but anyway believe in whatever you are being spoon feeding by them...
These western influenced psudo Historians are destroying our culture and civiliazation by spreading misinfo among some truth here and there...
The whole podcast she speaks from a perspective that everybody is dumb and she will show us truth...
we live in an info age and that too is controlled by the west but if you learn how to uncover, you will find it....
These guys are paid by west to destroy Sanatan, our culture and civilization and don't believe me research on your own...
Aryan Invasion is propaganda and
her base was they were invaded by aryans so that makes her whole argument false for me.... I can debunk so many stuff but as they will say where is the evidence???
There was advanced civilization pre Iceage and I somewhat agree with Nilesh oak but not entirely.....
Ask her to explain why in sangam literature silappadhikaram, the Jain author, Ilango adigaL , talks about how kovalan’s character was referenced against Rama ! The pandarangam dance referring to Shiva's dance. Kannagi, kovalan and everyone in different point in the epic, pray to Shiva, and for Go'd's sake this was written by a jain monk!
Exactly. She made lots of errors in this video. Avvaiyar was a devotee of Murugan. And she lived 2000 years ago. And yet the girl in the video claims Murugan appeared just a thousand years ago.
She is a left historian coming from Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib school. They will argue that only! Silapathigaram mentions clearly about her boundaries of Tamil Nadu till Tirupati. It also mentions about the Srirangam temple and Tirupati temple
@@phoenixj1299 How do you prove that the Muruga was same as Skanda/Karthikeya? She has mentioned about the fusing of North Indian deities with South Indian ones? I am a history student, so I have studies about the long process by which folk deities were fused into puranic deities. Avatar worships Murugan ( a native / pre-existing Sangam god) and not Skanda.
She does mention that Silapadikkaram is ;slightly later' than Sangam .FYI .It is dated to the post-Sangam age. Ramayana story is found in Jainism too , it is called Paumachariyam.
@@AnaghaThomas-k1gThis fusion happened much before Gupta period. The first bhakti movement started from south India in the form of shaivism and Vaishnavism and this movement fused local gods .
LOL. She completely ignores Tantra and agamas. All the deity we are worshipping today are agamic and tantric origin.
Tantric??
@@Riya909Sharma dont you know about agamic text or tantric text?
Left historian
How do you know?
Lol she is not wrong
There's nothing called "Dravidian" history. Stop using this made up term Dravidian.
so what about aryan? is it made up too?
@@vishnubalaji9500Yes. Aryan is not some race. The noble people were called Aryan in the past.
@@Vivek27981 nope , aryans are external ethnics that mixed with native indians.
they did ostracise natives and hence became rich and powerful
Then why we use the term Dravidian Languages in Linguistics... The Representation of These people os relevant...
@@akshaymohandas4472 u use dravidian because u have been fool into doing so.
just like how a small sect of people actually believe in flat earth and lizard people.
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
where is rupa bhaty podcast ranveer
Cause she is a historian not a believer
There was temples during Silapathigaram time which was part of Sangam (2nd period). Silapathigaram mentions the boundaries of Tamilnadu from Kanyakumari to Tirupati and mentions about the Temple of Vishnu is Tirupati and Srirangam
@@User01029 but you can't relate them to present day temples like Meenakshi temple and say they were all hindu deities.
@ why are you shifting g the goal posts now? Are you comparing the Burj calipha to LIC building? Her point was there were no temples in Sangam. I say there were temples- evidence - Silapathigaram and Manimegalai. Whether it was like how it is today or how these temples will become tomorrow is not the question
Most temples are build after 3rd century not before 1st century
The pantheon she is referring to is identical to vedic, just named differently. So I disagree with the notion that the southern pantheon is different. There is conceptual integrity, only form variance which is a natural freedom w/in Sanatan Dharma.
I strongly encourage you to listen to the podcast. K. Amarnath Ramakrishna is an Indian archaeologist who specializes in Tamil history.
Agree 🎉
Kurinchi - seyon(murugan) - mountaiin region
Mullai - mayon(tirumaal) - forest region
Marudham - indra - agri land
Neidhal - varunan - coastal region
Paalai - kottravai - desert
Marudham-vendhan
Ranveer now its time for Kannada and Telugu history man,both histories are rich with dynasties like Chalukyas,Rashtrakutas,Vijayanagar and so on
Satavahana,Kakatiyas,Kadambas
Do you know meaning of Rich ? 500 year old Kingdoms are not Rich bro 😂
@@Vikingz7 my man Kannada and Telugu have 2000 year old history....Kannada and Tamil were the first of languages that formed from Proto dravidian languages
@@abednadir5997 Bro there is nothing called Proto dravida language.....in south Oldest Language is Tamil only , not dravida language And Tulu , kannada came next After mixing with Sanskrit and Tamil..... kannada have history but Evryone know , Tamil history so many people don't know that's why this video
The professor providing wrong information on Cholas Expedition in SEA region.
1. Not Sailendra Kingdom but Srivijaya Kingdom which the conquest was made.
2. Lineage from Rajendra Chola + Princess from Ganga Negara found Cebu Rajahnate in Philippines.
3. Cholas have deep rooted relationships with Khmer Kingdom and both these Kings are ardent devotees of Shiva.
இது பாரதின் சநாதன வரலாறு திராவிட வரலாறு இல்லை 🇮🇳🕉️
Shangi
@ripsanskrit3609 what an intelligent thing to say 👏🏽
@@ripsanskrit3609 speaking of anti-separatism is being a sanghi?
@shadowalphawolf9926 speaking of religion is
@@ripsanskrit3609 Why What's wrong in speaking about his religion 🤨
Great that you didn't generalise everything as south India in the title and specified as Tamil Nadu.. love from Karnataka ❤
Nonsense she deny the clear connection on Sangan literature and Agastya rishi. The local God's are just Tamil names for same deities not a fusion. There was no Aria Invasion as Manu Himself was a Dravida king... such people push abrahminical perspective that before was just a formless universal God that was later substituted by Puranic God's wich is false as Sangan literature has 5 main deities.
There is no proof of those stories so mainstream won't accept those things
@@Sathish-sd5kb there are more proves of its connections than of such speculation that they hv no connection. all 5 Sangan Gods can be related to Vedic Gods in its iconography just they hv Tamil names. They still worshipped today. also u can find lot of Vedanta concepts similarities in Sangam literature. deny its connection that hv no proof is just speculative colonial foreign interpretation clear abrahminical oriented
Matsya Purana is a story written after the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam. This story is written by comparing the story of Noah's Ark and the flood of Kerala.The king of Kerala has been compared to Noah who is considered as the second Adam. After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the story we see today.
Do you know the real meaning of agathiyam or agathiyar? There were so many agathiyars in history.
@@amrtadas5539 if so, why murgan is married in south while bachelor in north? why murugan is younger son in south and elder in north ?
I don't know how it feels... My heart and eyes are melting when she speak about our history. The way o her talk is so beautiful to hear. I'm so proud of being thamizhan❤❤
I feel represented finally
I don't believe what you are saying.. Do you have EVIDENCE.. Can you show us the nuggets of your molten body parts..😂😂
I was amazed when she said Maa Durga a Warmongering Devi.. Some one truly said Darbari Historian..
@@santoshdimri6537 lol that's not Ma Durga 🤦🏻♂️ that's Kottravai... If u don't understand the historical and regional relevance of it u shouldn't go around saying ur amazed... Obviously a person who has no clue about Chinese will end saying Japanese is same as Chinese.
A true historian should have an open mind to check the possibilities and dive deep down into other aspects as well.
Just debating and batting only for an evidence based study and not looking into the other aspects and possibilities cannot nullify the facts.
When an historian thinks and speaks from only a religious or political point of view which he or she follows then such kind of debates obviously happen.
Next time bring a better candidate for the show.
Seen a lot of missionary kindof versions for our "BharatVarsh" itihas like this especially in Kerala.
Because without evidence anyone can say anything even muslim historians are claiming rig Veda as a muslim text. As very first prophet Adam was born in india.
Believe is not what science cares
Kali is a "War mongering" goddess?
My antennas also caught that. She has a brown sahib mindset. This colonial hangover will pass when Bharat re asserts its civilizational identity
Yes, but against evil
She did not say Kali is a war mongering goddess, she is referring to Kottravai.
@@MadhaviAdiga-e4k still not a good term to use for a goddess
@@MadhaviAdiga-e4kBoth are same akka. This woman made up this shitty theory.
A triggering podcast after long.
She speaks like a true convert, of course. I assumed that now that we have Sanatana history being researched by Sanatanis we would not have “historians” with an “agenda” getting such prominent platforms. I should have stoped the podcast once she mentioned the Aryan Invasion theory so casually, although it’s been disproved and debunked.
I am appalled at the lack of respect she has for the unconventional historians, going as far as calling it fiction and pretty much idiotic in a polite manner, also laughing it off as if it were children’s’ work. I am just really happy to see Ranveer hold his ground and not buy into the crap she peddled. TRS has had ASI archeologists who dig and procure artefacts themselves who are way more open minded and have a true scientific mindset, bring them back a 100 times if that’s what it takes to replace Binny. I am sad to know she has students whom she is influencing to create the next generation of historians with an agenda. Do we really need a historian to gas light Hindus into believing there were no temples/hinduism before 1AD in this day and age? Definitely do not need any more of them in Kerala and TN, where this ideology has created a massive exodus of Brahmins from TN and Hindus from Kerala. Well, I guess she is a true representative of the states as we know them now, communist territories.
She believes in Aryan Migration - typical communist ideology. Most of the things which she's saying here is just a one sided agenda based opinions. On multiple occasions, she's spoken Ramayan and Mahabharatha to be myths and are related to Brahminism and not a cultural history of India. She has also spoken against construction of Ram Mandir in Ayodhya arguing the decision is baseless and there's no evidence for a temple beneath the Babri structure. She's some fraud with an agenda behind. Tamil people and culture is an inseparable part of Sanatana Dharma or Hinduism and it played the most vital role in protecting the culture and people in South, but all she's making it sound like Tamil is nowhere related to Hinduism and it's something different. Typical Communist way of diving the culture. All her arguments make it seem likes Hinduism is something created by Brahmins which is new thing whereas Tamil culture is completely different and very much old which is not as same as Hinduism.
💯💯💯🔥🔥 you nailed it.
This commie convert is trying to change our entire history. God only knows how many students of hers are already brainwashed.
@@shruti961 well glad she triggered you! A tight slap for whatsapp forward believing people... You will be happy only listening to people like Nilesh Oak or Praveen Mohan and believe their nonsense... Ofcourse you get triggered when actual people from the academia speak on it.. learn to understand history from mythology 👍🏻
Hey Ranveer, I think it would be amazing to have 'The Bogan' from BigBangBogan on the podcast! He has a deep understanding of Indian history, especially the evolution of Hinduism in South India and Tamil Nadu's rich cultural heritage. His insights into Sangam literature and the Aryan invasion theory are thought-provoking and would bring a unique perspective to the conversation. Given your focus on history and culture, I think this could be a fascinating and insightful episode for your audience!
@@karthikeyanganesan3097 even i thought the same. We need more speakers who are speaks based on actual facts not based on mythological stories
Proud kannada emperor Pulakeshi II, his army was known as karnata bala
Jaya karnataka 💪
it was unfortunate he got stuck between two great empires.
isnt he the one who defeated harshavardhana?
@@PravinFernandes yes
She's talking about "social memory, inter-generational knowledge which is very very difficult to destroy".
Suppose In case of an asteroid strike, only people from Thar, Namibia or African deserts survive (as per Ranveer) . They have been seeing Aeroplanes fly and have been using smart phones- internet all this time. After the catastrophic incident, these people will definitely be left with those memories of scrolling through a 6 inch screen but what would be the probability that those people in the midst of a desert or barren land would know the technology or the procedure to rebuild the same smartphone or internet. That is exactly why we have different "SMRITIS" in our culture, which is like a window to peep through into our past.
Her arguments are damn flawed....
I appreciate how TRS has brought on so many respected historians and Indologists, shedding light on the complexities of Indian history, both North and South. It’s been refreshing to see experts untangle these narratives for audiences genuinely interested in understanding our heritage.
However, I’d suggest being cautious with guests like Malavika Binny. Having listened to her Malayalam speeches, I feel that much of the information she shares isn’t evidence-based and seems to promote a specific ideological perspective. As a left-leaning Catholic, her approach to Indian history, particularly in relation to Sanatan Dharma, often feels influenced by Western ideas that could confuse viewers genuinely interested in understanding India's authentic history and cultural roots.
It would be amazing if TRS could continue to invite more established archeologists/self-taught historians like Anuja Mann, KK Muhammed, Nilesh Oak, Raj Vedam, and others who bring well-researched and balanced perspectives to the table. Thanks for considering this feedback, and keep up the great work in showcasing India’s rich legacy!
Why do you feel much of her sources are not evidence based? Is it because of critical reading of history or simply because you can't agree with it?
Great podcast, love it! I wish it stayed more on Sangam literature though. Those poems are fun! One poem goes like this- A woman tells this to her partner who came back home drunk and singing loudly much to her dismay and may also have visited a courtesan- “you know last night my friend and I heard horrible sounds coming from outside. She said it could be dogs and I said it could be wolves. She said it could be owls, i said it could be donkeys. She said it could be ghouls. And I told her it could simply have been you.” 😂
I have just begun the podcast and have a contention to what is being said so I thought I’d leave a comment for the same - while she is right that there isn’t much talked about Southern India, I believe it’s not just Southern India. Indian history is much diverse and wide than what is being taught in history books, we are still learning about French Revolutions that happened outside India or about Mughals and Britishers who came to India. I believe the reason behind that is because we still have a faint British influence on us wanting us to learn more about the foreign lands and secondly I believe while the historians in India are working round the clock uncovering the truth of Indian history, there is still a lot to be done, it is still not mainstreamed. I believe the first step would be to mainstream the work of historians that will bring more stories and histories to light for Indians to be intrigued and be learning!
Great that you didn't generalise everything as south India in the title and specified as Tamil Nadu.. love from Karnataka ❤
Looking forward to even better episode on Karnataka 😉
first comment bro
i really appreciate beer biceps that he is just making a big revolution for indian wisdom
Please do one with Mr Dharmendra Kumar. Rich Karnataka history and Mysore Royal heritage.
Great to hear about Pulakesin the Great on the show! Most Indians do not know about such a great king and warrior! We hear of Akbar, Asoka and Chandragupta and there is no mention about Pulakesin. Even when we talk about the South, it is always the Cholas, people don't realise that there is so much more to South India than just the Cholas! Thanks for this wonderful episode!
Do podcast with ADI SUYASH ❤❤
Please bring him ❤❤❤
51:20 It's not a logical claim that a traditional historian should made . The problem with traditional historians is that they think society developed with time . Here she is trying to say that modern women have better position in society than mediaeval period women so mediaeval women could had better position than ancient women.
But above thinking is wrong if we think of evolution. Men and women both were the part of evolution. In ancient world there was very less differences between men and women. Women were equal to men but with time their position declined.
She is citing an incident of Mahabharata very loosely. In Mahabharata,There are many references of women in royal court, the best one is gandhari presence during peace talk with Krishna.
There are countless evidence of that but if you want to pick one riyal court that was always open for women then it would be court of king janaka of Mithila . Gargi , sulabha , apala are the best examples.
In Vedic period women used to go in war and were the members of sabha and samiti both .
Bang on! my friend
I am from Mithila, now Janakpur. And we still have proofs of existence of ancient civilization in Mithila. It's proud movement when someone mentioned your motherland.
Lol nope. Vedic period no women were allowed outside
@@ripsanskrit3609 you're confusing vedic with taliban it seems.
@@ripsanskrit3609 you can't be cool having Rip Sanskrit DP . And your name says it all what you know about Vedic period. By the way you cry more for Tamil because Sanskrit is and will be a gem always.
Well, I don’t comment in videos generally but I have to do it now. Ranveer really understands his responsibilities as a youtuber who a lot of younger generation watches. The variety of content that he brings is really commendable. I hope more educational videos , especially videos on unheard historical perspectives about India, are posted in this channel. Thank you
Silapathigaram was very well explained, sangam tamil nadu and kerala together was a most forward thinking empires… where women poets sings songs, argues in courts, even as a monarch they voted to put in efficient administrators in power to govern under the emperor
9:10 mullai is forest land not pasture. Marudam is pasture or farmland
Kudos for featuring the South!
"the south" ? We have 5 different states with 4 individual major languages and multiple smaller languages with varied cultures and traditions stop saying "the south" as if we're a monolith
Yes, we are diverse.
Nobody tells kudos when they tell about north.
@@Qwerkywoop Gupta Empire, nalanda and cholas are united by sanatan.
@@Nishanth_mementomori we had one history 2000 years ago
Everything stolen from Tamil and portrayed as Malayalam. Whereas Malayalam itself is a concoction of Tamil and Sanskrit. Tamil is most ancient and great civilization but they don't know how to display it. I have nothing against Malayalam but Tamils are ignored by introducing a Sanskrit word Dravidian whereas Malayalam don't use term Dravidian. Don't call leftist as historians.
Finally, somebody who talks about Sangam and Tinais and how beautiful and glorious Tamil and South culture is! Her understanding of South India is amazing! I literally had goosebumps when she talked about Kannagi as most people don't talk about Tamil epics on big shows like yours, neither are they mentioned in textbooks. It is not about North vs South. It is about acknowledging that all regions of India had its own unique and rich history! Thanks, Ranveer for another great episode!
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Finally someone to talk about the South of India🙏🙏🙏🙏
Oldest temple is india is mundeshwari temple of Bihar which is built during early gupta period. None of the other temple is older than that temple
You are referring to the oldest functional temple in north india. Thats very different to the oldest temple, of which there are many that are contested.
Is it older than 1st century
There was a temple structure belonging to shunga but later destroyed
Anyone who subscribes to AIT and AMT is not an unbiased historian
@@User01029 well that triggers u doesn't it? To know that Vedic culture had external origins and influences... Truth hurts.
@ 🤣 I don’t mind if you want to believe there are 9 planets and be ignorant
@@User01029 well we are talking abt anthropology and genetics of demographics and timeline of migrations... So idk why u bringing irrelevant planetary talks 🤷🏻♂️ are u so keen on denying Linguistic and Genetics evidences of Aryan migration? Well if so ..then u can be ignorant 👍🏻
@ I hope you are intellectual enough to understand the comparisons! Let me put it in simple terms, Like we are know longer reading that there are 9 planets , same way AIT & AMT are debunked based on archeology, anthropology and scientific research.
History is much more complex than people think.
She knows nothing about Sangam literature. There are many references of Hindu Gods and Goddesses. The deity she mentioned is also wrong. Kurinji is Seyon (Karthikeyan), Mullai is Mayon (Vishnu), Marudam is Vendan (Indira) and Neithal is Kadalon (Varunan).
This is the first time I saw he is interviewing a real historian.
As a tamizhan and a tamil literature and history student i can say she did good job. She did some errors in details. But i appreciate her that she didn’t put the details here from ithihasa and purana type of mythological stories. Rather, she has combined the historical archeological findings and the claims of the Sangha literature to find some real facts. Our Tamil people’s History is more more glorious then Sanathana dharma itihas and puranas. Please dont Don't narrow our Tamil into your constrained zone. Vazhga thamizh. Yaathum oore yaavarum kelir❤
As Tamizh, I can approve that this OP doesn't know anything on Tamil Sangam Literatures and it's Sanatan/Vedic/Sanskrit Values & Philosophies.
Majority of Sangam Literatures like Thirukkural, Puranaanooru, Paripadal etc all have underlying Vedic/Sanskrit/Sanatan Roots in them.
Here's a quick transcript from Paripadal, a Sangam Literature glorifying Vishnu as primary deity of Mullai-regions.
Paripāṭal i :Line 50 to 56
ஐந்தலை உயிரிய அணங்குடை அருந்திறல் மைந்துடை ஒருவனும்- you are the one with five heads who causes great fear and is one of great ability and strength - Sivan, மடங்கலும்நீ - one where all lives end, நலம் முழுது அளைஇய - with all benefits, புகர்அறு காட்சிப் புலமும்- faultless learning - Vēdās, பூவனும் - you are Brahman who appeared on a flower, நாற்றமும்நீ - you are creation created by Brahman, வலன் உயர் எழிலியும் - clouds that rise up with strength, மாக விசும்பும் - wide sky, நிலனும்- land, நீடிய இமயமும்- and the tall Himalayas, நீ- you, அதனால் - so, இன்னோர் அனையை- like so and so, இனையையால்- like somebody, என- thus, அன்னோர் - those, யாம் இவண் காணாமையின் - I have not seen here, பொன் அணி நேமி - wheels decorated with gold, வலம் கொண்டு ஏந்திய - lifting on your right side or lifting with strength, மன்னுயிர் முதல்வனை - you are supreme to lives on earth.
@@narayankashyap1063 sangam literature is collective of poems included lots of of mythological elements. You clearly dont know difference between nattar vazhipatu murai and vedhic religion work-ships. Even as per the vedhas there is no shiva. For the vedhic religion fire is the main god. We are not sanathan people because we are worshiping shivan perumal. Tamil peoples history has soo many impressions of aashivagam, jain and Buddhism religions also. Soo please dont constrain as with in the sanathan dharma. And don’t steel the credit from tamils. Our thamizh culture is more glorious then your sanathan dharma. Thamizh culture says Pirapokkum ella uyirkum. It never divides people by birth. Again i am saying our tamil culture is more glorious then sanathan dharma. Itha nee illa ungoppanuku appan vanthalum maatha mudiyaathu
@@Yathrigan143 bro don't say Myth... These people don't understand difference between critical evaluation of history and blindly substituting mythology with history
@@Yathrigan143
As an expert in Tamizh literatures and Philosophies, I can only laugh at your ignorance and poor knowledge.
"பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும்" னு சொல்லி முடிச்சிட்டா போதுமா, அடுத்த லைனை உங்கொப்பன் சைமன் செபாஸ்டியனா வந்து சொல்லுவான்...?
போங்கடா உங்க புள்ள குட்டிகளையாவது ஒழுங்கா படிக்க வைங்கடா...
Thank you!!! Was waiting for history podcasts like this!! ❤️
Traditional historians are real historian not online RUclips history enthusiastic
@@InsightGrid620 but... But.. I get more followers if I say there are temples that are 30,000 years old and nuclear energy was invented in ancient wars...
Hinduism give so much freedom to its followers. There are different different style of same devi and devata across india. There is no problem in that
Yeah buy also one shouldn't impose what Hinduism is and should be . Some believes siva is vegetarian and some believes shiva is non vegetarian. If some group sacrifice cow to their goddess, other should not rage
For the dumb people who say Silapathikaram happened in Madurai and not in Poompuhar it actually 280 km from Madurai. It happened in Pandya's Dynasty where Madurai is the capital.
As a tamilian and history student she is speaking all truth' and fact congrats to ranveer for not calling half baked madhan Gowri again
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People are so triggered with the word Dravidian but they brainwash to not know that dravida and arya was mentioned in the Vedas ,mahabaratham and ramayanam
Hindu mythology Matsya Purana is written in reference to the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam and a great flood that occurred in Keralam. The fish that appears before the king asking for refuge represents the Jews who came by sea. The fish getting bigger and bigger in a short time here means the more and more arrival of jews who fled their land after fall of Solomon's temple.
In the history of Kerala, there have been many great floods that submerged Kerala. The jews who came to Kerala by sea may have warned about the coming heavy rain by observing the weather and wind. This may be the reason why Malsya Avatar is said to have prophesied about the coming flood.
With the arrival of these foreigners, the story of Noah's Ark spread first in Kerala and later outside Kerala. Matsya Purana is a combination of these incidents in Kerala and the story of Noah. Noah was like a “second Adam” since all people come from him. And Adam is the first man according to foreign belief. In the Matsya Purana, the king who rebuilds flood-ravaged Kerala takes the place of Noah.
After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the Hindu mythology that we know today.
According to Jewish belief the ark of Noha came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. In purana King's giant boat came to rest on Malaya mountain. Mala itself means mountain in Kerala's language Malayalam.
@@CJ-ud8nf source : I made it up
Source- chatgpt
@@cvineethr if i am wrong please care to explain
@CJ-ud8nf I'm sorry did u think you're right 💀
Give me the source of ur Aryan picnic theory lookalike story
@@CJ-ud8nf what about other ancient culture which also mentioned of same story ? 😂😂
The climax of silapathikaram had happened in Madurai and not in poompuhar
She is Malayali not tamil
Nice to hear someone speaking about Pulakeshin II the Dakshinapatheshwara ( meaning the lord of south).
One of the great kannada rulers.
you should have asked her who are iyengar brahamins
Love from தமிழ் நாடு ❤❤❤
Sangam surely is an underrepresented text but it is too biased to consider Sangam texts as reference but ignore Ramayana or Mahabharata as reference. She is talking about existences of materials and trade based on poems from Sangam texts but when deny when similar things are mentioned in Puranas and Itihasas
Ramayana(Vanaras and Hanuman were from Kishkindha, modern day Hampi) and Mahabharata(person who provided food for both the sides during Kurukshetra was a king from Karnataka as a means to maintain neutrality) had kings present in the South and Puranas mention places in the South(Manu finds Matsya in modern day Madurai on the banks of Vaigai, then called Kritamala)
Hindu mythology Matsya Purana is written in reference to the arrival of Jews in ancient Keralam and the great flood that occurred in Keralam. The fish that appears before the king asking for refuge represents the Jews who came by sea. The fish getting bigger and bigger in a short time here means the more and more arrival of jews who fled their land after fall of Solomon's temple.
This story is written by comparing the story of Noah's Ark(great flood) and a great flood that later happened here in Keralam. In the history of Kerala, there have been many great floods that submerged Kerala. The king of Keralam has been compared to Noah who is considered as the second Adam.
After this story reached North India, many changes were made and it became the Hindu mythology that we know today.
According to Jewish belief the ark of Noha came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. In purana King's giant boat came to rest on Malaya mountain. Mala itself means mountain in Kerala's language Malayalam.
Puranas ain't real, I believe only a Vedic texts. Puranic are not actual facts you dummy, Vedic texts all are science not related to god's. Rudra, Indra, varuna all are related to some sort of science not gods. Rig veda is iron melting science. Puranas are written for Brahmins convenience. This ain't real. I believe in Mahabharata and ramayana but not puranas. Come out of that useless fiction
Sangam literature is different from ramayana and mahabharata. People used gods in their stories to legitimize it and curb any questions. Cholas too used this tactics. So if you are believing god himself rode a chariot then you had believe every kings conquest and the massacre that followed as divine judgements too.
@@CJ-ud8nf it's my first time seeing an allegation of reverse appropriation 😂
Matsya Purana is said to be the oldest of all the puranas as it talks about the creation story of this Manvantara. It is so hilarious to say that Matsya Purana was written after the Jews came when the Manu story is just a small part of Matsya Purana. FYI Matsya Purana has 291 chapters containing over 15000 verses while the Torah contains 5500 verses so atleast do prior research before spouting whatever comes to your mind
@@shivashankar-xy8zmshe mentioned Sangam literature talks about gods like Murugan, Mayyon, Kottravai etc so your argument of Sangam literature being different from Ramayana and Mahabharata is moot since both of them use gods and supernatural elements(Cilapattikaram talks about cursing and burning a city down by Kannagi)
And your second point of having a religious rationale to justify war is true in the case of Cholas but Ramayana and Mahabharata never talked about a divine rationale for those wars, it was the commentaries which talked about it. Rama waged a war on Ravana because he kidnapped Sita and it didn't matter whether he was a God or not(especially since Ravana has a boon to be able to be killed by only a human so even Gods can't kill him). Yudhishthira waged war on Duryodhana because Duryodhana didn't give them even 5 villages and even Krishna negotiated for those 5 villages. And Krishna(the divine character in Mahabharata) was involved only because Kauravas went to him first not the Pandavas and Duryodhana chose Krishna's army while having the first choice.
Hi Ranveer! Super excited for this podcast :))) Keep posting great content, and still waiting on Ramayana Part 2 😭
I hope this comment gets linked and pinned, Btw your editing team is on point!!
Every body needs kaala jaadu stories. Like somebodies used cell phone on past and plastic surgeries have done in past.😮 she is genuine she tells the logical things
Ranveer I watch every episodes of yours without a thought of what the guests are saying previously. But in this podcast, I’m saying at this point 33:49 she got her mind fixed and close the convo of electricity 🙃 BTW I’m from Tamilnadu
As a Tamil from Bangalore, really happy to see this episode on tamil history
Wrong history
Finally not a vedic yapper
Bharat has a very long history. There is no Dravidian history- there is only bharatiya history. North south east west were not exclusive cultures but were natural extensions of one another.
New thumbnail is bad. Because on first go, i can't get that it's podcast from beerbiceps. Thumbnail which is used in ranveer allahbadia channel, is better than this.
I am from Flatbush, Bklyn- and I watch this show everytime it is uploaded.
When I finally visit India, I want to find a wife like her.
Who is waiting for mr beast ❤
It is not poompuhar it is madurai
@@karpagavallim9351 poompuhar also features in that story, the highlighted places of the story are between Madurai and poompuhar..
Great interview. Is there any books by Malavika Binny in a reader friendly English text? I would be happy to read it.
Finally❤️….someone is not relying on the mythical stories….
The presiding Sanatan God/Deities of Aindhinai(5 Lands) of Sangam era is the very first thing we Tamizhs learn.
and here she proclaims that there were no Gods or Idolatry in Sangam, before "socalled" Aryans allegedly came in. Load of BS.
Extract from Paripadal, a Sangam Literature calling Vishnu as primary deity of Mullai-regions.
Paripāṭal i :Line 50 to 56
ஐந்தலை உயிரிய அணங்குடை அருந்திறல் மைந்துடை ஒருவனும்- you are the one with five heads who causes great fear and is one of great ability and strength - Sivan, மடங்கலும்நீ - one where all lives end, நலம் முழுது அளைஇய - with all benefits, புகர்அறு காட்சிப் புலமும்- faultless learning - Vēdās, பூவனும் - you are Brahman who appeared on a flower, நாற்றமும்நீ - you are creation created by Brahman, வலன் உயர் எழிலியும் - clouds that rise up with strength, மாக விசும்பும் - wide sky, நிலனும்- land, நீடிய இமயமும்- and the tall Himalayas, நீ- you, அதனால் - so, இன்னோர் அனையை- like so and so, இனையையால்- like somebody, என- thus, அன்னோர் - those, யாம் இவண் காணாமையின் - I have not seen here, பொன் அணி நேமி - wheels decorated with gold, வலம் கொண்டு ஏந்திய - lifting on your right side or lifting with strength, மன்னுயிர் முதல்வனை - you are supreme to lives on earth.
2:01:22 more structured and planed episode is needed. Too much to process. More clarity is needed on timeline ❤❤❤. Please do more of this in English. Thank you 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
THERE ARE TOO MUCH ADS HERE RUclips 😭😊
Though it may sound controversial, none of us-whether from the East or West-possess fully reliable proof of our histories, or even of world history as a whole. Much more research and evidence are required to verify the accuracy of our historical records, particularly regarding Indian history, which stands as one of the most fascinating among all ancient civilizations. As a devotee of Shaiva Tantra and Lord Sadashiva, I feel it’s important to acknowledge that, historically, there is little tangible evidence or clear narrative supporting the existence of Shiva as a historical figure. This absence in recorded history does not diminish the profound cultural and spiritual impact of Shiva, but it does highlight the need for further exploration into our past. Jai our Maha Bharat !
Proving below sangam literature text on rama and Sita ... (Purananuru 378)
அரைக்கமை மரபின மிடற்றியாக் குநரும்
மிடற்றமை மரபின அரைக்கியாக் குநரும்
கடுந்தெறல் இராமன் உடன்புணர் சீதையை
வலித்தகை அரக்கன் வெளவிய ஞான்றை
.நிலஞ்சேர் மதர்அணி கண்ட குரங்கின் ..
Basically have few facts and tie with it 10 other lies so that the lies look like truth.. rubbish 😅
These historians have their own tweaks to history and with their command over language (english) & they will make u believe in their theories and versions . So pls read ....
Read translation of the poem -
He gave
me many splendid precious jewels that awed me.
When my large family saw that, they took the finger
ornaments and put them on their ears, put the ear jewels
on their fingers, those meant for the waist on their
necks, and those meant for the necks on their waists.
They were like a huge family of monkeys with gaping red
mouths scooping up the beautiful ornaments that fell to
the ground, when the mighty demon snatched away enraged
Raman’s wife Seethai. Heading a large family and thinking
about removing their great sorrow, I was very happy along
with them when our poverty and distress were removed.
This paragraph might seem that i take sides of alternate historians but please note that my pov is that inputs from both of them should be taken as inputs by both in their works so that they could synergize the exploration and deep understand the lost history.
Respecting her love of evidence based history. I like the way she express the same. I am starting to think from the way she speaks, she has no idea to keep her mind open for the inputs from other people and ignoring few things saying that there were no logic. Nilesh oak kept the celestial evidence in the texts on the table and backworked using the scientific methods of NASA (from what i remember - it was a voyager's celestial map ) where he explains that for example the changes in earths axis were also calculated for arriving the celestial positions mentioned in texts.(point to note: Keezhali site was selected for excavation based on the reference in the texts and wow it contains a massive history but similar kind of references if taken for celestial positions is no common sense).If considering and calculating those using a well good source is not a common sense and logical per Malavika, then i think there os only 2 things, either she hasn't seen that explanation or she has an attitude to not to take the inputs from people who differs in ideology even without thinking.
Happy gurpurab sir, thankyou for being our guru sanchalyak too
Guest recommendation: Dushyanth sridhar...pleaseee❤
Kudos to the young lady. Very enlightening.Thank you
I've read about the Chola empire ✨️, Sangam Literature 📖 during my 6th standard... especially Raja Chola, Rajendra Chola... today again i'm visualizing in this epic history podcast 🎙.
This podcast is filled with misinformation
Thank you
Madam, Raraja Chozhan conquired till orissa and His son Rajendra Chozhan conquired most of south asian countries also conquired till Himalayas and got a title Gangai Kondaan meaning one who conquired Ganges plains...
why people in comments are calling her biased? any specific points that she made which were incorrect or biased?
I don't believe Mesopotamia civilization is the oldest one. Actually i don't believe There is anything older than India and it's Civilization. What is the basis of it that are Vedas and it's scientific temperament than other comic books I've read youal novah also and sometimes felt bro watched everything happening in front of him like movie. 🙏
Cool fact, if Tamil Nadu was an independent nation today, it would have the fourth largest economy in the world, have the second largest navy in the Indian Ocean, and have the most educated population in South Asia.
Tamils (and Dravidians in general) are impressive and should not be underestimated.
No Dravidian shit, we are Tamils only.
We never identity us as Dravidian.
When talking about the deities of each land, it was astounding and shocking to see how she cleaverly didn't mention about Mayon/krishna worship in Mullai region and she literally changed the deities that associated with each land
Mayon was infusted with Krishna as puranas spread
@@Hgdy7 bro how is Krishna in Mullai?? Krishna was not even heard of at that time.. it takes longer..after Gupta Empire time when the people from north brought Krishna deity worshhp to Southern part.
How does this relate/connect with Nilesh Oak ji's information?
Please, turn on the english automatic captions! 🙂
Edit: Thank you! 🤗
Common women being able to approach the kings directly has been happening since time immemorial, pre Mahabharata time itself. Shakuntala is an example.
Ranveer plz invite below listed guests -
1. Vinod Anna (String Geo)
2. Dr. Aarti VB (Sanskrit Scholar)
3. Shefali Vaidya
To talk about fanfictions?
I am a Mexican that has been studying South India in particular Tamil Nadu and its rich and deep history.
I can say there is no other ancient civilization that I have come across that has fascinated me the way the history of South India has.. not to leave out north India .. I now you have your caste systems and all but man you all really are the Mother Land in my eyes idc what anybody has to say about “Out of Africa” your land is the ONE!
I don’t know how else to put in words but that each and everyone should be highly proud of your heritage because it is truly one to honor. Another awesome show Ranveer! 🫡❤🕉️☮️
Loved this session... I'm from Malaysia, and some Indians here gonna freak out when they hear she saying Cholas didn't invade Malay Archipelago.....
nice information we love this time of podcast a lots because it increases our knowledge thankyou Ranveer 😍
Extremely dedicated and truly experienced tamizhans are there to explain better about us... This just a very surface level talk.. with nothing about the lives of us
You forgot excavation in turkey of temples around 12000 years ago . That is a benchmark for evidence based historians
While excavating Indus valley, they have found a PASHUPAT SEAL, and one of its copy seal has been found in Nepal. Indus valley has the culture of worshipping local goddess, that culture is only present in Nepal, in which we worship Kumari Devi, she is a living goddess 32:24
please do these kind of topics with jsd!!!!!
i didn't watch the podcast but i would to bring one point . why every time there is no criticism of thought ideas of guest by public .... every comment is sAme , always praising this that etc ... after every podcast you became more confused , there is no clarity regarding knowledge bing shared