1980s BRAT PACK Fallout: Actor CONFRONTS Writer Over Infamous Article That Destroyed Careers
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When Blum tried to take partial credit for the film's success, I wish Andrew would have thrown right back at him that his article sold magazines because of its subjects. Not because he wrote it.
Andrew's laugh was very dismissive tho
David Bloom taking credit for the success of Saint Elmo‘s Fire says everything you need to know about that man. Self promoting, narcissistic, egotistical person. Jealous that people younger than him were making much more money and were more famous and recognizable in public. He is the epitome of everybody who sees people around them gain success and then tries to bring them down to their level, simply out of spite.
It’s disgusting and the craziest part is he didn’t even need to do it because he was already successful himself. But not in a way that made him a public figure to most and that’s what ate him up inside. Because he wasn’t part of that group and an object of the public affection, he decided he was going to try to bring them down a peg and try to destroy their careers. I’m surprised he didn’t take credit for that with a smile on his face. Which he kind of did anyways.
Back in the 80s he was some angry dork. 2024 he still is. Like many of us who grew up in 80s we love these movies. We like these guys and girls who were in The brat pack. Some dweeb named Bloom decides to attack . still never got the girl !
You have no scrap of evidence he's jealous. That's really kind of stupid on the face of it. The guy wasn't an actor, for one--derp.
Blum Isa first class jerk and Isa real narcissistic.
@@jeffmaehre7150 What other reason than jealousy would he have for being so "mean spirited", as the said himself? They are/were all handsome, rich, famous, and loved. He was and is not.
@@writersloane He wrote a portrait of 80's-style fame as experienced by youg cubs. Had he taken an admiring tone, thearticle would be a puff piece.
“If you can’t do it, teach it, if you can’t teach it, write about it.” This defines people like David Blum.
The funny thing is, they won't work with each other to this day because they know the media will just be like, 'Two Brat Packers Reunite to make new movie" and the focus would be on them and not the movie.
But what they should do is embrace that. They should ALL reunite to start making a SERIES of Brat Pack movies: comedies and dramas, all staring, written by, directed by, produced by, the Brat Pack.
People would eat it up, and this time, they WOULD have the control that they were accused of having in the article.
*Blum represents modern day "journalists". Never let a good ACCURATE story get in the way of a hit piece*
That's sad. Emilio was probably my favorite of them in the 80s
I'm pretty sure Blum got more milage out of that piece than any of the people profiled. His name is a lame piece of trivia.
I bet he would've joined the Pack as a member in a heartbeat.
Woww....Emilio now looks exactly like his dad Martin! He was great in Young Gunz!
Blum sounds like a jealous ex GF
He mentions to McCarthy he was the only one at the Hard Rock Cafe not getting any attention.
Yeah he sounds arrogant like oh I thought it was funny ha ha. He probably was jealous.
Andrew McCarthy has had tremendous success as a director, most notably directing his _Mannequin_ co-star James Spader in the hit series, _The Blacklist._
every Andrew Mccarthy role felt exactly the same to me, same with Ringwald. The only ones in my opinion that had any real talent were Sheedy, Demi Moore, and Judd Nelson and Anthony Michael Hall, Mare winningham too. But Mccarthy and Estevez and Lowe were highly overrated.
@@TheTurkaderr Those actors in their day were stars-hot property marketed to appeal to a teen-20s demographic, though at the time possessed very little range regarding acting chops. First break from the mold was Andrew McCarthy. Check out the movie, Stag (1997). McCarthy plays a very different role, away from his "nice guy who gets girl"-type of movie. He's unhinged and rather scary in that film.
@@TheTurkaderr He was kind of a wimpy cry baby... I mean he thinks he got ruined by a reporter but we were sick of him when he got a certain age... I don't mean too nm[be mean. Most people don't have charisma.. It's okay to lose it.
Look a the macula culkin kid. He doesn't have charisma anymore.
Molly rinmgwald only had it as a teen and she wasn't in sth article.. but her career went away too.
People need to blame and they don't understand they were lucky to begin with.
Jude law kept it up but I th nk he kept pounding the pavement.
Mannequin is one of my favorite movie ❤❤❤
Jud Nelson looked about 30 when he done The Breakfast Club.
St. Elmo's Fire came out the same year.
Nelson was 25 when he made The Breakfast Club.
@@NJGuy1973 Yeah and Molly Ringwald was only 17 and Nelson harrassed Ringwald to the point during the production where Hughes almost fired him! The cast begged Hughes not to fire Judd Nelson. His character was also the inspiration for Nelson on The Simpsons LOL! Paul from The Wonder Years was the inspiration for Barts friend Milhouse. 🤔🤓🤯👍
@@NJGuy1973 Actually he was 26!🙆🙋♂🕵🕺
@@SuperMarioBrosIII Not to be a nitpicker, but he was 25 yrs 3 mos old when Breakfast Club was released in theaters.
Nelson born Nov 28 1959
Movie released Feb 1985
I"m disappointed in not hearing from Anthony Michael Hall.
Yeah, what’s up with that?
He’s done breakfast club reunion events with a couple of the actors…look for those videos to get a glimpse into what he thinks of that era
i was disappointed that he didnt spend more time with ally sheedy
i sstill have a crush on her
He should’ve been included in this as he and Molly Ringwald were the youngest or babies of this special/ unique acting ensemble!!!
He declined to be in the documentary, said he hasn’t even watched it.
So Emilio Estevez has straight morphed into his dad
Young Martin looks exactly like young Emilio. Like father like son.
Melioooooooo!
Thinking the same thing
Now we can hope for an Apocalypse Now sequel.
Spitting image.
I don’t know how long it has been a thing but when I managed a movie theater, if I was shown a SAG card(all speaking actors have one), they would be let in for free. There is no shame in that since it is their industry
Jeez, can you imagine: working at McDonald's, eat at Wendy's free!
So true. I managed in Burbank and Century City and it was common for actors, NBA players, directors, producers and studio heads to watch for free as well as blocking off seats for them before letting the line in so they could enter after the lights went down to allow them to watch with the crowd undetected. They were not spoiled or entitled, just famous. The writer was so mean.
The only people that labeled them "The Brat Pack" was the media because the fans never called any of them that. That shouldn't have cut so deep to Andrew they all managed to have great successes in their careers after those younger movies. Honestly who cares that some of those journalists thought it was funny us the fans that loved all the movies before and after and will always remember all those great movies from our youth.
💯 The media ran away with it. But it didn't change how people felt about the movies themselves.
I think the author was proud of the fact that he, in some way, was instrumental to the beginning of the end of the Brat Pack.
Well, if it forced them all to forge their own paths and not remain in alll of each other's movies, then the article did some good.
he wasn't. Andrew mccarthy just wasn't an interesting actor or character peele felt had charisma. being part of that group WAS his charisma. he just needs to find blame.
Estivez just got chubby and didn't;t look right for any parts after he lost his teenage look.
It wasn't because he was smeared.
he just isn't glamorous or coool looking.
these people think they are entitled.
@@MicahMicahel Brilliant. I feel the same way.
@@MicahMicahel It didn't stop James Spader, because quite simply, he had something about him.
I think they took themselves way too seriously
It's really sad what Bloom did if you think about it for a minute. Those of us who grew up back then we loved those movies. The folks in the brat pack were. Just a few years older then most of us who were teenagers in the 80s so we could seriously relate.
‘They showed young people being taken seriously for the first time’.. …ummm James Dean made rebel without a cause in 1955 brah.
As he shows them acting like idiots on a table top!
American Graffiti also.
Shirley Temple and Elizabeth Taylor did this in the 1930s and 1940s.
yeah I was one generation behind this and when I was old enough to watch all of these films, I was very unimpressed. Hughes was hugely overrated to me, and they weren't doing anything that hadn't been done better before.
The Last Picture Show, American Graffiti, Little Darlings, Saturday Night Fever, even Caddyshack had portraits of trials and tribs of kiddies that were as good as anything the brat pack did.
The movies these guys made were amazing. The 80s and early 90s had some of the most iconic movies made. I hated this article when it came out because I knew it was the beginning of the end. It’s a shame a few of them took it so badly. They had so much talent.
St. Elmo's Fire was hot garbage. It icked me oit in 1985 and I bet it comes off much worse now. A bunch of narcissistic recent college grads playing grown up. Not to mention that the Estevez character was a stalker who deserved a restraining order against him.
I like McCarthy but I get the vibe from him that he wanted to be a serious actor that was taken seriously in Hollywood. Which is ironic since he was one of the best comedies, Weekend at Bernies. 😂
And don't forget Weekend at Bernie's II
And Mannequin. He's good at comedy.
There's literally not a single laugh in Weekend At Bernies.
nothing wrong with the phrase 'brat pack' , just love it. all of you were awesome!!
You let that have waaaay too much power over you!
Early-mid 80's... My mom send me a letter with a newspaper cutout. It was a picture of this newcomer Emilio Estévez.
"This is Martin Sheen's son.
He looks like his dad!"
The breakfast club is one of my favourite movies ever , I just Love Alley Sheedy ! I adored her in short circuit! 💞👍🏻🥰👍🏻💞
Fabulous days 🎉🎉🎉 They don't make them like that anymore you can definitely agree.
People like Blum are insanely jealous of people like these actors
That is really all you need to know.
And they wondered why we hated boomers so much. The level of unwarranted, jealous hatred toward our generation from them is unreal. Always has been.
Exactly. I never heard of him before this video, and as I write this I’ve already forgotten his name.
we are living in teh age of envy. Never before has so much materialism and ego been flaunted and envied.
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@@MicahMicahel So you think it's the 1980's?
Emilio looking more and more like his Dad every year.
He always did more than Charlie. He did a ton of films in the 80s and early 90's the guy never hurt finding work.
So I’m standing in a club waiting to use the bathroom when guess who turns around and tips his hat like this, and who do you think that guy was? EMILLIO ESTAVEZ the Might Duck man himself! I was all like Emillllliiiioooo!
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The perfect comment 😂
@@koobs4549Every sentence is perfection in its absurdity.
Great movie great reference
Might be a perfect time in history for a reunion on screen, that's assured box office gold just waiting to be collected 👍
Now there's an idea!
Emilio Estevez was so affected by this that he has refused for YEARS to participate in any of the cast reunions that have taken place for any of the movies he did with the rest of the "brat pack".
There was a reunion done for Breakfast Club about 10 years ago or more and you can hear Molly and Anthony Michael Hall make comments to one another after someone in the audience asks where Estevez is. Molly says something sort of snarky about "some people being too busy" to reunite with everybody else and the two roll their eyes.
Apparently Emilio has not remained friends with very many of them and it is said he got out of acting due to severe anxiety issues. He directs and stays off camera almost exclusively.
It's understandable. His father is a well-known actor so he probably always felt like people saw him as Martin Sheen's son. People probably felt nepotism was how he made it, even though he got there on his own merits. The article tapped into those insecurities he felt. 😊
I'd lose my mind if I had to live in a fish bowl like those people do.
I would say their success was well earned. Considering the excellent work Demi and Emilo went on to do along with Rob Lowe. Andrew, Ali, Judd and Molly never had the big hit movies after the article. They were all young and good looking, and if they used their fame to get into nightclubs and events who cares. Lea Thompson still looks great. I wouldn't say Rob had a better career than Emilo he was in a ton of films. David Bloom just comes off as envious or jealous instead of just seeing the young actors as stars on the rise. Even if the group were doing lines of cocaine and banging groupies seems par for the course for 80's Hollywood doubtful other actors were not doing the same at the time. If anything the group didn't really embarrass themselves and were pretty tame in a lot of ways. Besides Michael Anthony Hall, Robert Downey Jr and Demi's struggles with addiction. I guess the big question is did some of the Brat Pack miss out on bigger films they could have starred in or were denied because of all the bad press coverage.
Sometimes thinking as a young person that your words really arent that impactful is a mistake.
David Blum doesn't seem too comfortable with that as his legacy.
"Controversy sells" says it all. Blum didn't care then and still doesn't now. He's a journalist for sure. Truth does not exist in a journalist vocabulary. As long as it sells.
What lies were in the article?
Aaaaand...crickets.
Only in this bassackwards country could we make "drama" out of these people's lives.
As a Gen Xer I remember this being a big deal. I also thought it was strange that the actors cared. The people who were going to their movies were not reading New York magazine. It was us, the teenagers, that were watching the breakfast club, young guns, etc. i actually think that if they had continued making movies together it would have been considered a cool moniker with time. Everyone who was young back then was called a brat.
St Elmo's Fire succeeded because of this writer and had nothing to do with the cast and star power or the writing and directing of Joel Schumacher. Sure Barry
First off, the article didn’t hurt many of them because many of them went on to continued success. Second off, those who didn’t have continued success allowed the article to get into their heads and define them from within. The article didn’t actually hurt them, they hurt themselves. Watch the special, when people tell Andrew McCarthy the ways they think the article helped, he says things like, “Wow, I never thought of it like that. I wish you had told me that back in the day.”
Makes you wonder how much effort Andrew put into further auditions as well. I think of other outside members like James Spader who was really good in Stargate and finding success on TV now. Emilo had the Young Guns movies which were very successful. Demi had a lot of hits after the article. Robert Downey Jr seems to be doing pretty well the last time I checked with all the superhero movies cha ching. If Emilio and Lowe were out drinking and trying to date hot women that's what any normal single guy would be doing they just happened to be famous because of the movie industry.
That's my opinion. These guys made the 80s for us teens back then. If you grew up in the 80s decade, these young actors were in everything from
Breakfast Club
Pretty In Pink
16 Candles
Some Kind of Wonderful
Young Guns 1 and 2
Wisdom
About Last Night
St. Elmos Fire
The Outsiders
Rumble Fish - ( Matt Dillon)
Mannequin
Weekend At Bernies 1 and 2
Men at Work
Back to the Future ( s)
Johnny Be Good
Etc..
These actors/ actresses made up that whole decade for us. Whether through acting, directing, or both. They gave us something back then to hold onto well into our 50s and beyond. I'm in my 50s, I saw at least 1/2 of these movies in the theatre when they came out. I had a huge crush on Emilio Esteves.
I own most of these movies on DVD, and my kids have watched most of them also, so these movies were created with these talents, in turn, in-bedded into our memories and handed down throughout the generations.
whether or not they see it, WE, the fans see it and understand it, and respect it.
Being labeled the "Brat Pack" worked in their favor and ours.
I enjoyed the documentary and have always felt that the label did indeed de-rail several of those actors’ careers. Like any actor who is labeled “difficult”, because of maybe one instance of a conflict, being forever assumed to be hard to work with. The group from the mid 80s were saddled with that label and the assumption that any success they might achieve was probably not deserved. Labels are most times impossible to escape.
Robert Downey Jr. isn't mentioned at all, but he is another one who wasn't hurt by the brat pack label. He was in movies with several of these actors and is still at it today.
Downey Jr. wasn't mentioned in that article. At that time, 1985, he was still fairly unknown. He was the supporting actor, the friend, to thw lead James Spader, in the straight-to-video film "Tuff Turf" released in 1985. Spader was the bigger name then. He was the lead in that and had the lead in a few other B/video films at that time, and had had a major role in a TV movie working with Robert Mitchum. But he wasn't getting leads in major films and not a well known name. Then he showed up in supporting roles as bad guys etc. in hits like "Pretty in Pink", "Baby Boom". And the less successful "Less Than Zero" (with Downey Jr. now getting a lead role in a major film) and became a rather well known name. But thia was all AFTER 1985 and that article. Downey Jr. wasn't a rising star until after 1986 or 1987, until "Less Than Zero" (which wasn't a hit). I had never hears of Downey Jr. until Zero.
Sean Penn and Timothy Hutton were mentioned quite a bit in that article (and also Tom Cruise gets a mention). And in the mid-80s Penn was sometimes referred to as a Brat Pack actor. But somewhere along the line, Brat Pack came to refer to the more teen-oriented film actors and actors in John Hughes films, in particular - actors like Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall, who were not mentioned in the article and who didn't even hang out with those guys (Estevez, Nelson, Lowe) since, at the time, they were still in school and minors who lived at home and couldn't go out clubbing. Ringwald and Hall did apparently date briefly sinxe they were close in age whilst their co-stars in "Breakfast Club" were a good 8 or 10 years older. But they didn't hang out with the others.
@@SY-ok2dq Good points, RDJ had a supporting role as a bully jock in Weird Science. His success and leads came a bit later.
@@rogerdodger6025 Oh yeah forgot Weird Science. I think that's the only actual John Hughes film he was in. But he did star opposite Molly Ringwald in "The Pick-up Artist" - 1987? Or 88.
Downey was coming onto the radar as a star at the tail end of the 80s with Zero being I think his first major film lead. But it was maybe 1990 and early 90s that he became a major name. So that's why he's not really associated with the Brat Pack.
@@SY-ok2dq Yeah I think the PUA was around '87. I think that was his first starring role.
@@rogerdodger6025 Wait, wasn't the bully jock the brother played by Bill Paxton?
Wasn't Downey Jr. a friend? I think he wss getting a lot of friend-of roles then.
They really should have just capitalized on that sh**. I mean people are mean. You cant let some lame journalist define you. Really could have came back at him in interviews. Obviously the journalist was jealous and had to lower these kids to his level.
The article was way more catty than it needed to be.
That reporter has NO remorse about his article!! 😢
Who here thinks the writer was a jerk. He says it wasn't meant to be mean spirited, but that's BS. Jealous vibes for sure.
It was absolutely mean spirited. It's telling that he wrote the article working down from the title.
Sean Penn was mentioned in that article and was considered part of The Brat Pack,in fact when Sean married Madonna in 1985 all the headlines were "Brat Pack actor Penn weds Madonna". Penn was best friends with Charlie Sheen and his brother Emilio Estevez growing up, in fact Sean and Madonna and Emilio and his then fiance Demi Moore used to go on double dates in the 80s. Madonna is still really good friends with Demi Moore, they even host joint Oscar parties together
Did he get kicked when he beat Madonna?
@@StandWatie1862 there were rumors but nothing confirmed, I know Demi and Emilio and Judd Nelson and Ally Sheedy, he Penn starred in Bad Boys with and who he briefly dated before he met Madonna, were at his 1985 wedding to Madonna
@@MartinSmith156 Well Penn comes from a very subversive family of communists. McCarthy was right as confirmed by Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov. They use actors to steer culture just like political figures like Gloria Steinem who admitted being CIA. Literal social engineering. Wild how much we're manipulated culturally through the media. People should be resentful of celebrities and tgeir uglier relatives politicians.
There's clearly something to be said about not letting crap bother you. Regardless of his indiscretions, Rob Lowe has always worked, and he has worse to deal with than articles.
Lucky he didn't go to prison for statutory, definitely 1st celebrity sex tape I can think of
@@electriceyeball don't know much about the specifics but it's Hollywood so no surprise she was young.
@@electriceyeball The age of consent was 14 in that state at the time.
Amen. Clearly McCarthy was obsessed with the label. He even wrote a book called "Brat."
@@hollywoodvulture it's easier to blame others for your (relative) lack of success.
I was in a tiny West Village Watering Hole when Andrew McCarthy came in. This was obviously his favorite local bar. He spoke loudly pretty much holding Court . Honestly, he seemed bitter as hell.
I can picture this 🤣
As good or not as good actors they were they were young. None of them had any life experience. They were kinda forced to grow up in an industry they didn't understand. One could argue that didn't apply to Emilio. Rob and Demi seems to let it slide and just move on.
In hindsight they should have embraced it. Regardless of how Howie meant it these actors were the ones getting interviewed and I would have taken it as a compliment to be referred to the likes of Sinatra, Davis, Martin etc. A compliment that may not have been deserving at the time but something that we will try to live up to. Thanks Howie. Get it ? I blame their management team. They should have known how to spin this. Bottom line is the public lost I suspect some dam good movies because of all this nonsense.
We know of at least one cancelled project, "Young Man with Unlimited Capital." Emilio wistfully recalls the screenplay being good.
Wow, Ally Sheedy still looks fantastic!
Lol..WTF?
I thought the same for Lea Thompson
She's got something screwy happening with that eye of hers.
These peeps would never survive the world of social media
Ignorant Statement!!!!
You have Not had your Career / Life Wrecked by the Media!!!!
You don't even realize that that Article had much more power than Socal Media because it was picked up Immediately by All print media and All TV outlets. The Story has Never Faded Away or died down.
The Slanderous Power of the Media was a Thousand times more powerful than Social Media is today.
Something on Social Media has a Very Short Life. Typically within 48 hours it is Easily replaced by Something else.
Social Media has been around for 20 years Now and they have been working Actors for all of that time. So you are very Ignorant to say that they have not lived through Social Media.
It's so common now. Back then if something was published, you couldn't post a response to the world on a computer. You were that until the skeptical media interviewed you to defend yourself. And by then
, your reputation is changed, making some not hiring you because they still think you're a POS.
@@jojomcgee3430
Absolutely True 💯🎯👍
Emilio Estevez was a nepo baby, Martin Sheen is his dad. So of course he’s not paying for a movie ticket. The rest of the Brat Pack, with the exception of Robert Downey Jr., were not children of famous or rich parents. The Brat Pack, were the cool kids. As a Gen Xer I loved them. They have all had long successful careers and they had the misfortune of being the next generation of actors. It was Brando and James Dean, then Pacino and Robert DeNiro. The Brat Pack was the first generation of actors to not go through the Stella Adler and Elia Kazan school of naturalistic acting. By the time they came along, natural acting was the norm so they didn’t need the intensive training of actors of the past. I read the article in real time and it was harsh but not any harsher than TMZ or the Daily Mail is today. PS. I LOVED St.Elmo’s Fire at the time but it really is a crappy movie now that I’m old and have lived a life.
Why didn't they ever make a sequel to St. Elmo's Fire? It was a great movie and deserved a sequel but the actors didn't want to be stereotyped as always working together. But Andrew McCarthy and the rest did has success after all the Brat Pack Nonsense.
Nah. Altho this resurgance in interest of the Brat Pack may produce a sequel.
Emilio great in Young Guns
Never underestimate the evil power of jealousy.
Repo man was Emilios best movie
Young Guns.
Maybe if those young actors hadn’t fought so hard against the brat pack label, it wouldn’t have taken hold in the culture. Maybe if they had ignored it like Demi Moore and Rob Lowe, or been humble and contrite about it, it wouldn’t have derailed their careers. Instead, by arguing against it, they shined a light on it. They gave it fuel and it burned their public image.
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I always thought that , that article made them famous ? 🤔 And Molly was never a part of the brat pack . Molly , was John Hughes' muse . She was all over the talk show circuit on her own . Mare Winninghan was definitely a brat packer but she went on to be a powerful and constantly working , character actor . Andrew didn't have the " it " factor . He's bland , unexciting , almost dull . Esteves , went into production and directing so he found a niche . Also don't forget Johnny Depp , Brad Pitt , John Cusack , and River Phoenix , were competing for the same roles at that time .
Winningham was not part of the Pack. For one, she was only in St. Elmo's Fire. And 2) she wasn't friends with any of them and did not hang our with them. She was a few years older, AND had already started a family and had kids to look after. In fact, her weight gain on St.Elmo's is due to her having been pregnant at the time. That's why you see her weight fluctuate in films and TV work - at various times she was pregnant, or had just given birth etc. So no nights on the town with Estevez & co. for her.
Nobody associates Winningham with the pack as she wasn't a big name actor at the time. She took off time tp have kids so there were gaps in her career then and she lost out on bigger roles, I'm sure.
The others you mentioned weren't competing for the same roles at that time. Depp and Phoenix were years younger than Estevez, Lowe and especially Nelson who is far older than Depp and was maybe the oldest Brat Packer. Depp was in Nightmare on Elm Street but in the 80s, the low budget horror stuff was more for video and those actors weren't really getting offered big film roles because they were considered to be like C list (behind B list TV actors etc.). Depp didn't become a star until late 80s and it was on TV. And in 1985 when the Blum article was written, I don't think Depp was even acting yet.
Same goes for Pitt. Not yet a name. Did a guest role on TV soap Dallas in tje 80s and various TV movies and so on. He wasn't really known until his big break "Thelma and Louise", years after the Blum article.
John Cusack in the mid 80s was doing sort of B film stuff like "Better off Dead". It wasn't in the same leagues as a major film like "St. Elmo's" and "Breakfast Club." Not a star on the level of the other back in 1985. He didn't really start to move ahead until late 80s with the lead in "Say Anything" which was a pretty solid success I think. He's more of a 90s name.
Phoenix was way younger than any of those guys! He was what 14 or 15 when he came to attention in a major film, "Stand by Me" - around 1985 I think? Or 86. So he'd hardly be auditioning for roles alongside say, Estevez and Lowe in their early 20s or Nelson, who was over 25! in 1985. In fact, Phoenix played the YOUNGER brother of Molly Ringwald in a TV production (maybe 1985?).
@@SY-ok2dq I think Phoenix would have had a career similar to Johnny Depp's if he had lived. Sad that we lost him so young. Even in The Last Crusade that 20 minute opening was awesome the kid had talent.
@@bartsullivan4866 I don't think so. And the reason why I think that is because Phoenix was already thinking ahead to the day that he could retire and quit acting, not all that long before his unexpected death. Phoenix had told people that he wanted to stop, but that he needed to keep working until he had made enough money to buy property where everyone he was supporting financially (his siblings and parents and even a girlfriend of his) could live and he could ensure that everyone could be taken care of. Poor Phoenix was the family breadwinner from his earliest days as a child actor. And before that, the Phoenix kids were all part of a family street performing act that earned money for the family and parents to live on. You can't blame Phoenix, who was publicity shy, for wanting to quit and just live life free from the demands of being on set, doing publicity and interviews and dodging paparazzi, and earning more money to support others.
@@bartsullivan4866Phoenix would have had a career similar to Di Caprio’s. He probably would have developed a working relationship with a single director like Leo has with Scorsese.
Andrew McCarthyi is the only one who took way too personal being a person with a low self esteem
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Jay Mohr did a great parody of him.
You obviously didn’t watch a second of the documentary. They were all hurt by it. For some, the article cut so deep, they still wouldn’t talk about it even today.
@@tonyc8752 come on, judd Nelson was never going to be a major star. Please. He actually did better than expected.
@@tonyc8752 Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Rob Lowe wasn't hurt at all.
Demi unloaded a long streak of psychobabble meant to suggest she's fine with it.
The people who weren't in it didn't want to be in it. That doesn't mean they were "hurt" by it.
You think Blum is the only person who ever said anything negative about these overrated Hollywood Hostess Twinkies? Rob Lowe got busted for making a sex tape with minors. They haven't lived their whole lives crying about the word "brat."
And many of hundreds of celebs from the same period have been criticized, scandalized, accused, etc. You get back up and dust yourself off. You have million-dollar movies just waiting for you if you do. That's a privilege most people will never have.
Bloom seems like an angry man who was probably very jealous of these guys back then . Andrew is too nice of a guy. Kind of the way he talks to Andrew now. Still condescending.. Bloom wished ye could have been one
Im torn. I dont know if Emilio now looks like his dad or his lesser known uncle
I honestly think he looks more like Joe. Fun fact, Joe did some of the voice overs on Apocalypse Now.
Lowe has solid business sense. An entire network owes its existence to the concept. "One headline! why believe it? Everybody wants to rule the world."
he had persistence and took parts maybe the others though they were above. he gradually charmed the public back and he even had a scandal that people maligned him as a creep. the guy just didn't quit until he succeeded again. The others seemed to disappear but they could've taken indie parts like Lowe did.
Their perception was that the "Brat Pack" was a bad theme for their ensemble. Lowe pointed out in the interview that in fact the opposite was true- so true that the concept supported an entire television network- the CW Network- which is still going strong today.
Much ado about nothing. Some writer says you're part of a brat pack!? Wow, who care? Compared to what actors are up to, or have done to them, in the past 20 years, that's absolutely nothing. If it bothers you for more than a week, you take yourself way too seriously.
It definitely benefited Rob Lowe and Demi Moore to brush it off.
You have to drop that press stuff and move forward. All of them to their credit did. It made them household names for a generation or two. Of course, the irony being as a 62 yo I never went to either movie. I went to The Shining and such as that. But I have enjoyed them in their different roles thru the years.
Easy to blame an article when your career fizzled out 10 years later.
I don't see Demi Moore complaining much.
@@Mario_N64 She didnt really complain in the doc, either. Her whole demeanor was the correct one. So what, move on, get over it. That's basically what she said only nicer.
@@Heathcoatman You kind of had to have than mentality just keep working. Emilo and Rob seemed to still get casted in many films after the article and found success along with Demi but the others not so much. Did they not get parts they auditioned for? I haven't seen the show yet but would like to.
@@Mario_N64 Demi Moore wasn't the Subject of the Article. She wasn't Slandered.
The Men were Slandered.
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Demi Moore wasn't the Subject of the Article. She wasn't Slandered.
The Men were Slandered.
1:54 that's some brilliant editing 😂
There's a storm a comin'! 😂
Sounded like the author was ticked off at the attention these actors were getting and mostly just jealous of them. He's basically Brian from the Breakfast Club, only meaner.
Sounds more like their inability to handle the article had the most negative impact which only adds weight to the “brat” label. It’s part of fame.
Let it go already 😂
As an expert on the topic, I can attest many celebrities far more rich and famous than Emilio Estevez leveraged their fame to save $6 on a movie ticket. Was not at all uncommon.
Don't believe everything you read. I suspect it was more about not wanting to stand in line than $6. Funny how no one has ever asked Emilio about it.
"... years of acting study." Mr. Blum's head would explode nowadays, then. Today you don't even need to have talent. "No talent, but you're gay? Let's give this kid a show!" "Not even one session in an acting workshop? Who cares, you're on tik tok!"
Perfectly said at lease the brat pack had talent. All of Emilo's films were interesting never dull. Now its all diversity and agenda politics over experience.
@@bartsullivan4866 THANK YOU! Yes. Its insane, I tell you! "Style over substance", and yet both style and substance, are almost indistinguishable from crap! I agree. Emilio's film contributions were never dull. Freejack and National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon are two of my favorites.
I need to read this full article
I tried watching it because I loved all of those actors, but they came across like crybabies over something that could have been made to look cool but some of them took it wrong. More crybaby rich people is exactly what this world needs great.
Mary Stuart Masterson is for sure in the Brat Pack brother. Good video!
Thank you for watching! Mary Stuart Masterson for some reason is not considered a main member. Even though she did Some Kind of Wonderful 🤷🏻♂️
Shes Brat adjacent. The requirement is they had to be in more than one movie(with another brat packer) and it had to be between the Hughes run of movies plus Schumacher's St. Elmo's Fire.
@maximusprime3459 Well, I'd be more stoked to work on 'at close range' & 'gardens of stone' than being in the brat pack, I suppose.
Guys, it's not a kind industry filled with nice people. That's just not Hollywood.
Somebody, tell me how many movie roles you've lost because of that stupid label. Tell me...
They cancelled 1 movie immediately after the Article came out. Also because of the Article the Term Brat Pack was put on them. They refused to work together because of it.
So dozens of movies were Not made because they wanted to Kill the Negative Slanderous Term Brat Packers.
It definitely derailed careers because Studios Definitely Understood the Term was Slanderous and they were Not going to put these Actors in Serious Movies.
They became Type cast because of it, which kills Actors ability to Work.
@JesusSavesSinners AWWWEE. They didn't get to steer culture for the CIA and other alphabet agencies? It's weird how virtually every actor has the same opinions, isn't it? Prominent figures like Gloria Steinem have admitted to being CIA agents. Same with Hollywood. Not too far fetched. Top Gun was a military backed movie designed to recruit.
That town is a vipers den.
It is true I mean Hollywood is filled with beautiful people especially women. This idea that all of the stars are angels or would never stab each other in the back to get roles is ludicrous. Even to think of the "Me Too" movement has stopped favoritism is a joke. The name of the game would be what would any hot young actress be willing to do that others wouldn't to get a major roll.
OK: I was supposed to be the prince in "Coming to America," this article came out, then BAM, door slammed in my face.
This "documentary" was embarrassing, awkward and a disappointment.
Yep this was from my time so I actually wanted to see it, but I got tired of the whining.
He can appear in this documentary, why not go to any Breakfast Club reunions?
Ego
The Brat Pack is the group of actors that represented Gen X in the 80s. That’s 10 years of movies that spoke to my generation. Nothing will change that.
The first movie was Ordinary People. The first of many, ending with She’s Having a Baby,
More than just the core.😊
I was 17 when the brat pack was around. I am 56 now. Ok lets move on
Goodbye!
Emilio had one major advantage in life Charlie Sheen was his brother which means no matter how bad he was he was still the good son
But everyone loved Charlie Sheen until he went off the rails in 2011
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But as you recall
He went off the rails in 2011
@@Vibeagain Emilio's career was done by 2011
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Yes, as the good son, still with his potential ahead of him.
And tiger's blood somewhere in there too, I'm sure all agree.. I was happily surprised to see he was producer/ actor behind one of my favorite movies, while I was still going
Isn't charlie struggling with HIV somewhere?
@@Vibeagain The video is about the careers of the Brat Pack. Emilio's career in the mainstream was over by the time he would've benefitted from being seen as the good son.
Just saw the Doc - BRATS. Really enjoyed it. I caught up to the Brat Pack phenomenon some years after its apex in the mid 80s. While I really enjoyed the movies, I could not relate to them the way others did. My life train traveled on a different track - more solitary, challenging, but adventurous. But I understand the effect it had on many young viewers. I recently (2024) read the New York magazine article and thought it was amateurishly written, purposely provoking undeserved condemnation, characterizing negatively the normal behaviors of not only young Hollywood actors, but young people in general. Too bad some members of this so-called Brat Pack let the article overly affect them - they were really good actors. Nonetheless, they still continued to put out a lot of great work in really solid films.
You can tell in how Blum talks that he considers it a huge achievement to derail the careers of almost all of them.
Emilio was my favorite Brat Packer. In my teens I watched everything he was in.
Most people never read the article, so being labeled a member of the BP was a positive for them.
Maybe you should count yourself lucky that they didn’t track down your brothers crimes. How you think brother of the guy that SA 13 yo boys would have affected your career? Thats assuming it’s only him and you had no similar traits. You are so lucky that he changed his name to Sheen and you didn’t
WTF is WRONG with you
I don’t blame this Blume guy. I trash Emilio Estevez when I’m feeling insecure and my opinions don’t matter.
St. Elmo’s Fire is my comfort movie, I’ve seen it a million times. I’ve never once referred to them as the Brat Pack. I don’t think it was the younger kids that clung to the moniker, it was more our parents, and the older people. Maybe because they grew up with the Rat Pack they thought it was clever or something. Remember to, back then the lamest media personalities were going nuts for it which immediately made it uncool 😂.
HELP ME! Please can anyone tell me where to find the complete episode of Phil Doanahue interviewing Judd Nelson, Alley Sheedy and Rob Lowe? Thank you!
What documentary is this from!😲
That article was peak jealousy
They would be brat pack adjacent
A good subtitle would be: Portrait of a Deluded Egomaniac or: One Man's Quest to Avoid Taking His Meds.
I've never encountered a more screwed up human being than Andrew McCarthy. Someone called him a benign, harmless name 40 years ago and he has to make a documentary about it?
He begs and begs his fellow stars to be as butthurt as he is about it and gets no takers. After his interview when all is said and done, he blurts out "do you think you were a bit harsh?"
I can't wait for the sequel, as McCarthy hunts down me and everyone else who has ever said a negative thing about him. He makes Richard Nixon look like a mellow dude.
These actors generally had the looks, not the acting chops. Good actors of their vintage include Eric Stoltz, Crispin Glover, Paul Reuben, Winona Ryder, Leonardo DiCaprio, Juliet Lewis, and kind of Jennifer Jason Leigh, and sometimes Chris Penn. Many of those actors got parts in serious movies because they had the talent. (Incidentally, you don't see Stoltz making a crybaby movie about being kicked off Back the The Future halfway through.) These kids specialized in schlock marketed at 10-year-olds who idolize high schoolers.
The writer went to a bar and found them having fun and enjoying the decadence of their good fortune. He wrote about it. Grow up and move on.
The Brat Pack was 80s preppy chic! What’s wrong with that? That’s the difference between young actors then and now. They wanted to be taken seriously whereas had a group of cool actors be branded that today, they’d eat up the limelight & run with the endorsement.
Funny how Matt Dillon got mentioned a lot in this doc.
I wonder if McCarthy tried to contact him too, especially given that they worked together twice on "Kansas" and "Boys of Winter"
I don't think I've ever taken such a dislike in such a short period time to anyone as I just did watching David Blum in this piece.
Arrogant pr*ck is the phrase that keeps coming to mind.
I love Andrew McCarthy. I have even read his books. David Blum was a bit mean. My thoughts when watching the doc: BUT why hold onto this for 40 years? At this point, you're just whining like a brat. No need to revisit.
poor babies...................such victims
So if you look at all their net worth, I mean really I think we'd all like to join that brat pack. Even the less successful actors of the group are multi-millionaires. So in the end I think it turned out fine for them all.
Andrew McCarthy even had Weekend at Bernie's and Mannequin post brat pack
Be proud guys thank you
They gave this guy way too much credit. The article was a piece of fluff. Brat pack was a turn of phrase. Nothing to make professional let alone life decisions about.
I watched it and my take was that McCarthy used that article as an excuse to blame others for his diminishing career. The whole doc he just seems unhinged about some minor little bit of press he didnt like. The other people mostly seemed like they were just telling him what he wanted to hear and trying to get him to gain a little perspective. Emelio seemed like he was just trying to get it over with and get Andrew out of his house, very awkward. Demi tried to reach him, Lowe tried to reach him. McCarthy completely overreacted to 'brat pack', his career flopped and he needs something or someone to blame. So many were missing because they probably didnt want to deal with the nonsense.
The overreaction- The term Brat Pack obviously was a spin on the Rat Pack. None of the Rat Pack complained about the name, they didnt think everyone was calling them rats literally. The Brat Pack was really a positive spin, it was an article about how younger actors are getting big roles due to the shift in the movie industry, and these actors are up and comers we should watch for. That was the article. It was not an article claiming all these young actors are brats. The Rat Pack were all 40+ when the name hit, the Brat Pack were in their 20s. Just a simple play on words that McCarthy basically ruined his life over. With all of the negative comments on social media, McCarthy would have never made it now. If you cant take haters, you dont belong in the business, and like I said it wasnt a hit piece article, it was actually quite flattering except the name.
It was interesting seeing all of those actors on the doc and hearing some of the inside stuff, but on the whole it just seemed like a bunch of whining and crying by Andrew McCarthy.
Why does the Brat Pack writer remind me of Anton Ego, from ratatouille
I loved the brat pack they where us the kids that grew up watching them they are and always will be the 80s so don't be shamefull what he wrote at all he was jealous of your guys attention so thank you to molly,Andrew, Rob,all of them