No i use a telly screen and i can say i will not be sticking with 60hz tv for much longer. Im switching to at least a 144hz monitor wether it will be smaller i hope it will at least be cleaner and faster
@@sens_120ms fps isnt hz....you need to distinguish. Just to add to this...because at some point it becomes important to distinguish between the fps of your game and the refresh rate of your monitor. And to his test...you clearly see difference but tests with pros suggest: a.) You not get a pro with your monitor and b.) muscle memories for compensating input delay of that particular point seem to fade at upwards of 120 (better 144hz) to be negligable. Important is fps, other lags of hardware, etc. They completely lack the important point, how the response times are on the 60hz monitor. While naturally faster displays respond faster.....but important also is the response time itself...and that not grey-to-grey bullshit but actual, proper response timings. So, the test isnt really professional and lacks knowledge...BUT as said: Usually they are faster, but there are 240 or even 300+hz monitors with ceazy bad hardware, bad response times, etc.
@@MrStubbs8157 Damn the comment section, I know all about refresh rate, fps, response time, overdrive, pixel skipping and etc, Im not a console guy, dw, As you was explaining, I know 360hz is worse than 240hz if response time, g2g, ghosting and shit is better on 240hz, Its typically what laptops dont quite get due to the thinner hardware, though I believe 360hz has caught back up to 240hz recently.
bro that's me I've been using my laptop for over a year and I only realised I've been on 60Hz this whole time (120 possible) 💀 Let's just say I'm enjoying the new refresh rate
Sceptre has pretty good monitors for theyre price, ive had a cheap curved monitor i bought years ago and has been with me all around the u.s. and is still perfect even now, im just looking for something bigger for a sim setup i wanna try out but on a budget
it's not actually linear. with 30fps, the time between frames is 33.3ms. at 60fps that lowers to 16.7ms. at 120 it's 8.3. the difference between 30 and 60 is greater than the difference between 60 and 120
@@lexd0gdiminishing returns, this is why i’ll save about 100 dollars in terms of going for a 2k 180hz setup vs a 2k 240hz setup with a marginal difference in frame time
@@lexd0gthe 60 hz monitor still doesnt "lag behind exponentially". He completely misused the word, no matter how much you twist what he said and try to find exponential growth in this topic. That statement was dumb af
@@gabrielescaramuzzoTrue but you still notice it way less than in this video, 60hz is just fine if you dont have the money for better or just dont wanna spend the money on arguably negligible difference
@@SatanMcLovin the difference in responsiveness isn’t as dramatic, the difference in smoothness is waaay bigger than the video. at this point 144hz costs not much more than 60 so if you still need to buy a new monitor you might as well go for that one, assuming you’re not out of budget already
@@gabrielescaramuzzo I dont agree with the difference but yeah, youd probably have a harder time finding a 60hz monitor than a 144hz but if you already have a 60hz monitor i dont think its worth buying a new one until your old one either breaks or lasts long enough that its completely obsolete but thats just the anti consumerism inside me.
@@SatanMcLovin it all depends on what your priorities are tbh, some games feel completely different on a high refresh rate monitor, some not as much. If you’re just browsing its obviously not worth it even though still very noticeable. And btw a high refresh rate monitor will last you just as much as a 60hz one, so easily 10-15 years, i wouldn’t really say you can’t still say fuck you to consumerism while enjoying the extra smoothness lol
@@b0wking119I think it's 60? Then its like smooth. More and you won't see a difference, but there might be less delay. Less and you can probably see it isn't smooth
disagree. I have a 4k 60hz, 1080p 75hz, and another 1080p 165hz and I personally prefer the a "cheap" 4k tv at 60hz over my 1080p gaming monitor at 165hz. 165hz only looks better when you're moving your mouse around. For gaming, it doesn't make that much of a huge difference unless you're playing competitive games, which I do not.
@@thelonercoder5816u understand u, i used to have a 165hz monitor sold it to buy a 4K 55” nanoled tv best thing i did (i only play single player titles w controller)
@@thelonercoder5816bravo well said, your mouse is really the only thing that looks slow, and anyone’s gonna run full graphics, so it’s not that much of an issue
@@p00lkingMake sure you actually have your monitor set to 144hz, I see people all the time that say this and then it turns out they never changed the setting to actually make it 144hz.
I miss my 75hz experience, don't have the budget to upgrade my monitor! I'm using a television that has 1366x768 as a monitor for 7years 60hz btw @@stevie-g-123
So you mean, if you will click on 60hz monitor a little bit farther in front of the actual border of the window, then it will detect as a click on a window ? or normally - as a click on a desktop ? The thing is that in both window is in the place with it's actual border and no matter how behind it is (the difference is only couple of ms, also there always a frame that will 100% match) in both situations the actual border and the seen border are exact the same, and in games it is useless, cos simple Ping have higher delay than 2 frames even between 60hz and 320hz monitors and player will always see the other player on the monitor faster than the server and that's why 2 players one with 20ms and another with 60ms still can compete and this difference in Ping is much, much bigger than difference between FPS or Hz, only benefit which higher refresh rate is giving - is comfort, it is always more comfortable for brain to follow a smoother animation and more FPS and Hz you have, then smoother it will be, that's it...
@@noobs371 bro its a big change, i had the 75hz for a while and i thought it was okay but then when i went from 165hz games ran smoother, and i have a 1ms response time so it feels much better it’s definitely worth it
@@joker12thcan you set it at 130 and tell me if you notice any difference between that and 165? I’m wondering if I’m missing out on anything getting 130 only (120 base but it’s over clocked if you’re wondering about the weird refresh rate)
I have fps lock on 30 and it feels really nice, before I used to play with 7-12fps on lowest graphich with render distance of 30 meters, and 12 fps is very much playable
I think it's because of the latency. Mostly 60hrz monitors are so delayed at the input latency i guess. :/ and the modern 365 hrz 260-265 hrz to 144 hrz they are all super fast in terms of latency. :) yea frames does matter but it might be happening because of latency. My old monitor latency was 12ms which is 1080p 60hrz and the current monitor is 1440p 165hrz with the 0.5ms latency. So ofcourse i see the same thing, if not more. Most 1080p 60hrz monitors are super old so u may want to try some ultra low latency oled/super amoled which is also 60hrz to 90hrz. 😅 I don't know much about it still. This is my opinion on this.
i agree for this but i think this man uses 2 the same monitors but its not logical if he downgrades the refresh rate that its latency goes up. he must doing something like setting the monitor on energy saving mode to higher its latency
@@kanalkanali The 2 panels are the same, I think windows is automatically in a constant state of vsync ever since win 7. So think of it like this. The duration between frames at 60 hz is 16.66667ms and 144hz is 6.944445ms. When you move your mouse there is an equal chance to start moving the mouse early in that 16 ms than not. And if you did, the panel isn't drawing anything new until the NEXT cycle. But the 144hz in the second panel has the time to draw 2 complete frames in that time span. But on the OS side of things, windows is also synced to the faster refresh rate, not the slower one. Sooo it is actually registering the physical movement in between refresh rate cycles of the 'slower' monitor. Making it look like not only is the image smoother, but quicker latency too. Although if you've used a phone with variable or multiple refresh rates you might actually notice that different modes also effect colour reproduction and subsequently latency too. So EVEN with the exact same display. Latency could be drastically different depending on the refresh rate set. Being optimised for one doesn't mean the other doesn't intrinsically leave the panel with the same latency. And the latency is never perfectly (1000ms/hz), that's just the absolute minimum. With all that. TL:DR yes, changing JUST the refresh rate changes latency on the exact same display/s.
Lower refresh rate itself means higher delay, a 60hz monitor will show you a new picture in every 16,6666ms, while a 144hz one will do it every 6.94444ms, but it’s the same delay as you saw in monitor specs, that one is the time which the monitor need to show a picture it already got from the graphics card. You could have 2 60hz monitor with different delays, I had a setup with an old 1080p 60hz tv and a fairly basic 60hz monitor, you could easy tell just by looking at it that the tv had like a half second delay compared to the m because the electronics in the display have to process the data from the gpu, can’t simply just show it as it is
don't agree, wasting money on "low latency" 60-90Hz monitors is useless, better to get a regular 144Hz one, will feel way smoother, and still have lower latency
@@M1szS you could also get a 144hz monitor with higher latency, you might not feel it as much, but if you want to play any kind of kompetetive game, it matter a lot
@@MyFearGear I think you forget that RUclips video compression also caps the framerate even if watching it on a 120hz phone. Also if you tried it in real life, you would notice the lag is actually a lot less perceptible.
@@redgfxr4095 depends. Some people can't and thats why they forget their monitor refresh rate is at 60hz in windows. If it was that obvious people would have noticed if their display was defaulted to 60hz. Some people can see the difference.
And also if have bad ddr memory timings and frequency it will cause latency problems on all monitors and refresh rates. For example you cap your fps to your refresh rate and get 120 fps on both systems but they aren't the same 120fps if each frame is slightly delayed by bad timings. You could basically make the same looking video with both monitors on 120hz but one with optimized RAM and one without.
That 240Hz panel still looks laggy. I have several CRT TVs on my home, and a Plasma one, my phone has an OLED and it's way better than several LCDs out there, even high refresh rate ones.
This why affordable OLED monitors need to become a thing. I watch most movies on my phone because the colors and black levels are sooooo much better than any LCD in my house.
@Logan Moynagh The opposite, OLED has instant response time tied to the refresh rate (sample and hold blur), LCD has sample & hold blur plus the LCD crystals that blur the image.
Absolutely different parameters. A 120hz va can have much worse ghosting than a 60hz ips. Overshoot is dependent on the correct overdrive setting. And input delay... Well, that's another thing.
@@lulu111_the_cool Motion blur can still be on, but it won't be as egregious. It will just feel more realistic and less confusing. Motion blur on low refresh rate panels is vomit inducing for me, but it's great on high refresh rate panels.
It's not 25% speed, it's more like you loose 75% of the total frames. But still a good gamer with 60hz will still beat a noob with 240hz display, it's more about timing, have you seen the movie "wanted" 😊 when you play with 60hz against someone with 240hz, you need to know where your bullets will land
The great irony is that the gaming industry will push refresh rate numbers to move panels, then add motion blur back into the game to make it feel more cinematic/life-like.
and it is really true. When you see screens with a refresh rate higher than 60, you actually do not see a refresh rate higher than 60, but it is a quick response to actual movement, and to be logical, play with a frame rate of 60 and keep your screens at a refresh rate of 144hz You will see a very choppy image, but lower the screen refresh rate to 60hz You will find the game fast and smoother
@@Drawi.560 What about 60fps on 120hz it should be ok. At least on 60hz monitor 120fps is ok but for example 90 or 80 gets choppy. On 144Hz monitor try cap fps to 72 and see if it works better than 60.
@@Drawi.560we don’t see in frames, or refresh rates. We see infinite. The only reason we stop noticing the the frames past around 240 is because the amount of frames filling in the motion gaps gets much smaller- aka you can’t notice it as much. 60 isn’t enough to display fast motion so it will look like a slide show compared to 165+
I play cyberpunk ,raytracing set to physo, everything set to ultra,, dlss enable.. got around 30-45fps on my 165hz monitor..that's why refresh rate is not important for some hehe.. i prefer this ultra realistic graphic than having to set it to low setting for 100++ fps 😂
@seethe72 well yeah, if you have a 1050ti you probably shouldn't be buying a 240hz monitor unless you only play light esports titles. But anything above a 3080, you should probably have either a 4k 60hz or 1080p/1440p high refresh rate monitor, otherwise you're just wasting your gpu power.
@@GroteGlon hahahaha i wish i could find a job, i live in a big city there are not much options for me basically none and how do you assume that im lazy thats just a cocky thing to say
That's what i want. I only have a 3060ti so I don't want to overspend on a monitor that I won't be able to get the most out of. It's either gonna be 4k 60hz or 2k 144hz (maybe 120?)
@@JakobeOG I got two 27inch 1440p 144hz monitors and it is wonderful (upgraded from 1080p 60hz) I wouldn't chose 4K monitor unless you have really good graphics card. and don't go more than 27inch monitor on 2K resolution.
@@JakobeOG I've heard that the higher the refresh rate, the more restful it is for your eyes or something like that. I've never used a high-refresh-rate monitor so idont know
You’re kinda good forever, all you really need is 120-144hz after that the difference is minimal so 240hz is pointless really unless you’re super competitive
@@ktn772no but be aware thoose manufacture specs aren't accurate,there are tech reviewers that do test them in realistic scenarios like Hardware Unboxed for example that's where you can get some real answers and not spec sheet bollocks highly innacurate
Funny how 60 fps was the norm for decades and 30 fps used to be normal as well, but now people cry over it now. 60 is smooth asf. Sure it's not as responsive but not everyone is a competitor
Wasted energy When we watching videos, mostly 30fps. Which that mean only use 30hz. Cheapest basic display are 60hz. This already wasted two times energy. Because the screen rendered 2hz per 1fps video (actually it must be 1hz per 1fps so it can more efficient) Why need higher refresh rate Maximum youtube video frame rate are 60fps. And that content can be watched on 60hz devices Why bother? Unless you are richie man So you never think about electricity bill or something For most people, 60hz is enough Thats why even from the most famous phone company, Apple Releases basic iphone stick to 60hz. Also, some games still stuck on 60fps, like genshin impact
This guys on RUclips be like. Refresh rate is soooo important for gaming so I bought monitor with 240Hz and my old with 75Hz. And when somebody ask them which GPU do they have. Gtx 990 .....
I would love a high refresh rate monitor, unfortunately if I want to stick with 4K then a 4K high refresh rate monitor is $$$$$$ money which i don’t have, my current 4K 60hz monitor is fine for the games i play
I'll be sticking with 60 hertz thank-you for showing me its hardly noticeable at all despite your sarcasm saying it is when it obviously is not !! Besides we are watching this on 60hz so I guess you trust it just fine.
For me even with these videos it does seem that big of a deal to me. It’s probably because I’ve never tried anything above 60hz but either way it wouldn’t make sense to spend money if I perfectly fine with what I have.
If 60 hertz is good enough for lights that I can’t tell are turning on and off I think it’ll be fine for my computer monitor that I play games that I get 40 fps on.
If The device is capable to handle 240 hz in normal condition , then it will be able to sustain 120 hz in gaming without frame drops and heating lag😊😊😊 so , under budget , go for good processing rather than higher refresh rate screen❤❤
@@miguel_noob6668this is the better choice get a job go to university and learn sth like programming and you will earn like minimum 2500 euro get a job get a job and stop complaining in the comments about expensive stuff
YeH shits expensive af i have strict budget I can afford rx 6700xt and r5 5600 to upgrade my old pc but but but my monitor is 60hz 1080p and 6700xt is 2k card I can't experience shit
even for gamers, it ain't matter. only matters for certain type of games for 5% of the top performing gamers. probably better spending the $ to invest in something that actually makes money.
"I didn't say refresh rate didn't matter, I said I couldn't afford it"
It's insane how good of a setup u can buy with how much a 360hz monitor cost
@@Pepo..yeah
are 30hz monitors a thing?
Literally
You can get a 165hz monitor for $130. I know that’s still a lot for some people, but it’s not as insane as everyone thinks about it.
ah yes, im totally need a 240Hz monitor for minecraft and factorio
i was like started automatically walking towards nearest monitor shop while watching this video
Important for professional or certain types of gaming but people can't normally see past 60, js
I ain't complaining anymore neither I'm upgrading
No i use a telly screen and i can say i will not be sticking with 60hz tv for much longer. Im switching to at least a 144hz monitor wether it will be smaller i hope it will at least be cleaner and faster
Upgrade one ❎❎
Degrade the other ☑️☑️
Absolutely nobody says refresh rate doesn’t matter
You should go buy a ps4, and then maybe you will become one of those yourselves? they play GTA at 30fps and don't care, they think it looks smooth.
@@sens_120ms they play gta at 60fps
@@sens_120ms fps isnt hz....you need to distinguish. Just to add to this...because at some point it becomes important to distinguish between the fps of your game and the refresh rate of your monitor.
And to his test...you clearly see difference but tests with pros suggest: a.) You not get a pro with your monitor and b.) muscle memories for compensating input delay of that particular point seem to fade at upwards of 120 (better 144hz) to be negligable. Important is fps, other lags of hardware, etc.
They completely lack the important point, how the response times are on the 60hz monitor. While naturally faster displays respond faster.....but important also is the response time itself...and that not grey-to-grey bullshit but actual, proper response timings.
So, the test isnt really professional and lacks knowledge...BUT as said: Usually they are faster, but there are 240 or even 300+hz monitors with ceazy bad hardware, bad response times, etc.
@@MrStubbs8157 Damn the comment section, I know all about refresh rate, fps, response time, overdrive, pixel skipping and etc, Im not a console guy, dw,
As you was explaining, I know 360hz is worse than 240hz if response time, g2g, ghosting and shit is better on 240hz, Its typically what laptops dont quite get due to the thinner hardware, though I believe 360hz has caught back up to 240hz recently.
@@marceloktavianus766 you're wrong, it's a whole lot more than just fps and refresh rate, I alr know the stuff.
Why does bro sound like he is about to sneeze
🤣
@@semplefamilyemoji
@@anonymousesper9564 good eyes
pmsl
He was
ah yes, need 240hz for spotify
Adaptive refresh rate exists. Only turning on when you need it, it's also energy-efficient.
@@gbbarnah yes, adaptive refresh rate for Spotify
Ah, yes, PC for spotify 🤡
@@stepanchik people work on pcs you know?
Genius..
its for gaming.
Or just be that one friend that never realised that their 240hz monitor was defaulted to 60hz for years 💀
😂😂😂
bro that's me I've been using my laptop for over a year and I only realised I've been on 60Hz this whole time (120 possible) 💀
Let's just say I'm enjoying the new refresh rate
it’s happened too many damn times
@@wesomefac2140how do you change it
@@OmaeOPTC lol then the experience must be like buying a new laptop.
This video was relevant back in the 2016 💀💀💀
Yeah, nearly everyone has high Hz now. Midwits don't turn it on in Windows settings.
@@VeroxusI still have 30hz
@@rudolfsgillsyour just stupid
@rudolfsgills you playing on a Nintendo 3ds?
@@Veroxusme with 75hz:
"will you be sticking with your 60Hz or will you be upgrading". I'll gladly upgrade, just give me the money for it
Yeah, gimme
I got a 1440p 144hz for 250. 27 inches might I add. What a steal hug
Sceptre has pretty good monitors for theyre price, ive had a cheap curved monitor i bought years ago and has been with me all around the u.s. and is still perfect even now, im just looking for something bigger for a sim setup i wanna try out but on a budget
@@MADED1TS link ?
Broke ass
"exponentially"
When you care about fps but not about math
The marginal utility of refresh rate is exponential but the base is not greater than 1.
;)
@@Zenovarsevery smart :D
it's not actually linear. with 30fps, the time between frames is 33.3ms. at 60fps that lowers to 16.7ms. at 120 it's 8.3. the difference between 30 and 60 is greater than the difference between 60 and 120
@@lexd0gdiminishing returns, this is why i’ll save about 100 dollars in terms of going for a 2k 180hz setup vs a 2k 240hz setup with a marginal difference in frame time
@@lexd0gthe 60 hz monitor still doesnt "lag behind exponentially". He completely misused the word, no matter how much you twist what he said and try to find exponential growth in this topic. That statement was dumb af
Ill buy a high hz display when i have the money for it
The Koorui 24E3 is $108 and it’s a 165hz, 1ms Ips panel with 99% sRGB. It’s a STEAL
144hz is dirt cheap
😂
@@noobs371WHAT NO FUCKING WAY
@@dooblom It’s back at $109 I would pick it up if I was you, I’m gonna buy it
Good thing my eyesight isn’t in 25% speed
your eyesight is way more accurate than a camera tho so you’ll notice the difference without needing the speed change
@@gabrielescaramuzzoTrue but you still notice it way less than in this video, 60hz is just fine if you dont have the money for better or just dont wanna spend the money on arguably negligible difference
@@SatanMcLovin the difference in responsiveness isn’t as dramatic, the difference in smoothness is waaay bigger than the video. at this point 144hz costs not much more than 60 so if you still need to buy a new monitor you might as well go for that one, assuming you’re not out of budget already
@@gabrielescaramuzzo I dont agree with the difference but yeah, youd probably have a harder time finding a 60hz monitor than a 144hz but if you already have a 60hz monitor i dont think its worth buying a new one until your old one either breaks or lasts long enough that its completely obsolete but thats just the anti consumerism inside me.
@@SatanMcLovin it all depends on what your priorities are tbh, some games feel completely different on a high refresh rate monitor, some not as much. If you’re just browsing its obviously not worth it even though still very noticeable.
And btw a high refresh rate monitor will last you just as much as a 60hz one, so easily 10-15 years, i wouldn’t really say you can’t still say fuck you to consumerism while enjoying the extra smoothness lol
I switched from a 60Hz monitor to a 61Hz monitor and I'm never going back.
bro 61? 💀💀💀 that's awful, 61.2705 is much smoother
@@beepymemes Human eye cannot perceive smoothness smoother than 61.01 FPS, so I'll stick with my monitor for now.
@@mkbestTho human eyes can see 60 hz so you can notice the difference between 60 hz and 144hz and 240 hz
Well actually 61
@@ahmadjallouli5524Not if i have something to say about it
I don’t think you know what exponentially means
right, it's simply a constant delay
I think he meant to say significantly or substantially ☝️🤓👍
Me watching this on 30 fps💀
how
@@tigeriily5059Maybe his mobile only supports 30hz refresh rate 😅
that doesn't make a differnce
@@coolmanthecool603 I see 😅
npc response@@SV_TUNZ
the voices in bros head are the ones saying refresh rate doesn’t matter
My friend keeps on saying that because our eyes can only see up to 30fps it's the dumbest thing I've heard
@@b0wking119 wtf 😂 thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard
@@susmanjig.223 ikr 😂
@@b0wking119I think it's 60? Then its like smooth. More and you won't see a difference, but there might be less delay. Less and you can probably see it isn't smooth
@@Qtuberbutnot you cant put human eyesight at a definite fps cause we see faster than any frame rate
“Do you think that you’ll be sticking with 60Hz”
My bank account:
Just mived from 60hz to 144hz im actually having a smoother feel
I moved from 30hz to 240hz. My eyes are soo happy.
Got to try a 144hz monitor at my friend house once everything feel so god damn smooth
@@ricelordalt9183 144hz is the goat
is it worth it for a non-gamer? i play but casually and not so often. I mostly do office work.
@@nahuel427 it's worth it, you can get a 1080p 144hz monitor for 100 bucks
1000Hz:
You'll see it move before even moving the mouse.
upgraded from 60hz to 165hz, im never going back.
And that's why I'm not gonna buy a new monitor until I have a good PC. Nowadays I'm happy with my 60Hz
Team 165hz!
Exactly
fax i got a 165hz monitor about 2 years ago from a 60hz tv and its a life changer
I dont care about frame rate as long as its more than 15
Bro thinks we can slow down time 😭🙏💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
GTA 5
I have a 144hz and a 60hz monitor and the 144hz makes a huge visual difference
Especially when you go back to 60hz
disagree. I have a 4k 60hz, 1080p 75hz, and another 1080p 165hz and I personally prefer the a "cheap" 4k tv at 60hz over my 1080p gaming monitor at 165hz. 165hz only looks better when you're moving your mouse around. For gaming, it doesn't make that much of a huge difference unless you're playing competitive games, which I do not.
@@thelonercoder5816u understand u, i used to have a 165hz monitor sold it to buy a 4K 55” nanoled tv best thing i did (i only play single player titles w controller)
@@thelonercoder5816bravo well said, your mouse is really the only thing that looks slow, and anyone’s gonna run full graphics, so it’s not that much of an issue
@@thelonercoder5816bruh
I have a 120HZ monitor and I say it makes an insane difference
Tbh, I think it's kinda subtle. I have a 144hz and there's not of a difference compared to the 60
Whats the difference
there us a huge difference
There will be no difference if your game runs at 60FPS or less.
@@p00lkingMake sure you actually have your monitor set to 144hz, I see people all the time that say this and then it turns out they never changed the setting to actually make it 144hz.
I’d say at least a 75hz monitor, it’s only 15hz but it’s noticeable for sure. 60hz just doesn’t cut it
Just overclock the 60 to 75
I once had 75hz and made an impactful experience from me, now I'm back to 60hz as 75hz gave up on me :(
Yes I have one that can go to 74.98hz
I miss my 75hz experience, don't have the budget to upgrade my monitor! I'm using a television that has 1366x768 as a monitor for 7years 60hz btw
@@stevie-g-123
@@Sequkoloverclock your 60hz to 74hz
So you mean, if you will click on 60hz monitor a little bit farther in front of the actual border of the window, then it will detect as a click on a window ? or normally - as a click on a desktop ?
The thing is that in both window is in the place with it's actual border and no matter how behind it is (the difference is only couple of ms, also there always a frame that will 100% match) in both situations the actual border and the seen border are exact the same, and in games it is useless, cos simple Ping have higher delay than 2 frames even between 60hz and 320hz monitors and player will always see the other player on the monitor faster than the server and that's why 2 players one with 20ms and another with 60ms still can compete and this difference in Ping is much, much bigger than difference between FPS or Hz, only benefit which higher refresh rate is giving - is comfort, it is always more comfortable for brain to follow a smoother animation and more FPS and Hz you have, then smoother it will be, that's it...
After switching to 165hz monitor, my secondary 60hz monitor feels almost slow motion haha
Oh my god I had a 60hz monitor as of last week then got a 240hz monitor for my birthday. That shit was so unbelievably nice to change over to
I got a 240hz monitor too, it's a night and day difference.
ima get a 165hz like inna week, rn i barely got 75hz
Lmk how 165hz feels imma get one too in a week from now
@@noobs371 bro its a big change, i had the 75hz for a while and i thought it was okay but then when i went from 165hz games ran smoother, and i have a 1ms response time so it feels much better it’s definitely worth it
of course it is i bought asus tuff i had 60 hz samsung and the display va panel fullhd and 120hz feels great@@joker12th
@@joker12thcan you set it at 130 and tell me if you notice any difference between that and 165? I’m wondering if I’m missing out on anything getting 130 only (120 base but it’s over clocked if you’re wondering about the weird refresh rate)
Trust me if you can, buy a 300hz
That one guy playing with 60hz, 30fps, 200 ping
I have fps lock on 30 and it feels really nice, before I used to play with 7-12fps on lowest graphich with render distance of 30 meters, and 12 fps is very much playable
@@nazar2694 bruh no fking way 12 fps is playable unless u r playing Minecraft or smthing
I think it's because of the latency. Mostly 60hrz monitors are so delayed at the input latency i guess. :/ and the modern 365 hrz 260-265 hrz to 144 hrz they are all super fast in terms of latency. :) yea frames does matter but it might be happening because of latency.
My old monitor latency was 12ms which is 1080p 60hrz and the current monitor is 1440p 165hrz with the 0.5ms latency. So ofcourse i see the same thing, if not more.
Most 1080p 60hrz monitors are super old so u may want to try some ultra low latency oled/super amoled which is also 60hrz to 90hrz. 😅 I don't know much about it still. This is my opinion on this.
i agree for this but i think this man uses 2 the same monitors but its not logical if he downgrades the refresh rate that its latency goes up. he must doing something like setting the monitor on energy saving mode to higher its latency
@@kanalkanali The 2 panels are the same, I think windows is automatically in a constant state of vsync ever since win 7. So think of it like this. The duration between frames at 60 hz is 16.66667ms and 144hz is 6.944445ms. When you move your mouse there is an equal chance to start moving the mouse early in that 16 ms than not. And if you did, the panel isn't drawing anything new until the NEXT cycle. But the 144hz in the second panel has the time to draw 2 complete frames in that time span. But on the OS side of things, windows is also synced to the faster refresh rate, not the slower one. Sooo it is actually registering the physical movement in between refresh rate cycles of the 'slower' monitor. Making it look like not only is the image smoother, but quicker latency too.
Although if you've used a phone with variable or multiple refresh rates you might actually notice that different modes also effect colour reproduction and subsequently latency too. So EVEN with the exact same display. Latency could be drastically different depending on the refresh rate set. Being optimised for one doesn't mean the other doesn't intrinsically leave the panel with the same latency. And the latency is never perfectly (1000ms/hz), that's just the absolute minimum.
With all that. TL:DR yes, changing JUST the refresh rate changes latency on the exact same display/s.
Lower refresh rate itself means higher delay, a 60hz monitor will show you a new picture in every 16,6666ms, while a 144hz one will do it every 6.94444ms, but it’s the same delay as you saw in monitor specs, that one is the time which the monitor need to show a picture it already got from the graphics card. You could have 2 60hz monitor with different delays, I had a setup with an old 1080p 60hz tv and a fairly basic 60hz monitor, you could easy tell just by looking at it that the tv had like a half second delay compared to the m because the electronics in the display have to process the data from the gpu, can’t simply just show it as it is
don't agree, wasting money on "low latency" 60-90Hz monitors is useless, better to get a regular 144Hz one, will feel way smoother, and still have lower latency
@@M1szS you could also get a 144hz monitor with higher latency, you might not feel it as much, but if you want to play any kind of kompetetive game, it matter a lot
Footage slowed to 25% speed. Lol
Otherwise there will be no visible difference. What a stupid video xD
Because you watching this at your 60hz phone. That's why its get slowed. It's so obvious
@@MyFearGear I think you forget that RUclips video compression also caps the framerate even if watching it on a 120hz phone.
Also if you tried it in real life, you would notice the lag is actually a lot less perceptible.
@@Chiongster101 well, if you get used to 120hz+ you will def start seeing 60hz as the new 30fps
@@redgfxr4095 depends. Some people can't and thats why they forget their monitor refresh rate is at 60hz in windows. If it was that obvious people would have noticed if their display was defaulted to 60hz. Some people can see the difference.
Response time matters too. Fairly identical implies not the same, so that is going to impact greatly too
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And your personal response time matters as well. 600fps won't help if you have the reflexes of a sloth
And also if have bad ddr memory timings and frequency it will cause latency problems on all monitors and refresh rates. For example you cap your fps to your refresh rate and get 120 fps on both systems but they aren't the same 120fps if each frame is slightly delayed by bad timings. You could basically make the same looking video with both monitors on 120hz but one with optimized RAM and one without.
Working with a 60hz monitor is okay. The problem is, working with two monitors, one at 100hz and the other one at 60hz. That's paintfull.
That 240Hz panel still looks laggy.
I have several CRT TVs on my home, and a Plasma one, my phone has an OLED and it's way better than several LCDs out there, even high refresh rate ones.
This why affordable OLED monitors need to become a thing. I watch most movies on my phone because the colors and black levels are sooooo much better than any LCD in my house.
@Logan Moynagh The opposite, OLED has instant response time tied to the refresh rate (sample and hold blur), LCD has sample & hold blur plus the LCD crystals that blur the image.
It’s because it’s slowed down footage
@@flipdry look at the ktc m27t20 its a mini led which has comparable contrast to an oled monitor but its $450 on newegg
@@saricubra2867this. OLED is as close to CRT response time as we've gotten with newer tech.
But my eyes arent working in slowmo, bro.
The way he say "Monioer"😆
The way you needed to slow down footage 25% for us to notice tells me all I need to know about that.
youtube can only display 60 hz.... He needed to slow it down, also, many watching this video have probably 60 hz screens...
It doesn't matters unless you're world level player. Reaction takes 100-200 milliseconds, frame takes 16.666 milliseconds.
Well, in general, if ur graphics can render it, it will feel ALOT better
Not just hz. More hz = less motion blur. And more hz can mean less delay. Furthermore less ghosting and less overshoot
Absolutely different parameters. A 120hz va can have much worse ghosting than a 60hz ips. Overshoot is dependent on the correct overdrive setting. And input delay... Well, that's another thing.
strobing your backlight can help reduce motion blur
Why so I should not get one. Because I play almost only story games. And there the motion blur stays on.
ive got too much network lag to be properly worrying about gpu to screen lag lol
@@lulu111_the_cool Motion blur can still be on, but it won't be as egregious. It will just feel more realistic and less confusing. Motion blur on low refresh rate panels is vomit inducing for me, but it's great on high refresh rate panels.
I will remember that next time I play games in 25% speed
It's not 25% speed, it's more like you loose 75% of the total frames. But still a good gamer with 60hz will still beat a noob with 240hz display, it's more about timing, have you seen the movie "wanted" 😊 when you play with 60hz against someone with 240hz, you need to know where your bullets will land
Honestly, my setup is alr, i have a AMD RADEON RX 580, with the Intel core i7 8th 8700, (24GB Added RAM)with a 165hz 24inch monitor.
Having a high refresh rate is a nice upgrade if you're gonna game
60hz for Netflix and browsing the net, 240hz for gaming
Bruh you can browse the web at 24Hz you don’t need 60Hz for the web. For Netflix you do want to get 60Hz though
@@pretty_bored But it looks smooth
@@Knight465 yeah it does, I would recommend 60Hz for scrolling, but you don’t NEED it
72 Hz is perfect for working or school. It is smoother than 60
Back in the days we don't give a f about refresh rate 😪
Well, I still don't give a fuck about it. :D
The great irony is that the gaming industry will push refresh rate numbers to move panels, then add motion blur back into the game to make it feel more cinematic/life-like.
There was a odd sentence in the past: "Human eye can't catch after 60 HZ" yea yea we see that is true after in years.
and it is really true. When you see screens with a refresh rate higher than 60, you actually do not see a refresh rate higher than 60, but it is a quick response to actual movement, and to be logical, play with a frame rate of 60 and keep your screens at a refresh rate of 144hz You will see a very choppy image, but lower the screen refresh rate to 60hz You will find the game fast and smoother
@@Drawi.560 What about 60fps on 120hz it should be ok. At least on 60hz monitor 120fps is ok but for example 90 or 80 gets choppy. On 144Hz monitor try cap fps to 72 and see if it works better than 60.
@@Drawi.560we don’t see in frames, or refresh rates. We see infinite. The only reason we stop noticing the the frames past around 240 is because the amount of frames filling in the motion gaps gets much smaller- aka you can’t notice it as much. 60 isn’t enough to display fast motion so it will look like a slide show compared to 165+
I play cyberpunk ,raytracing set to physo, everything set to ultra,, dlss enable.. got around 30-45fps on my 165hz monitor..that's why refresh rate is not important for some hehe.. i prefer this ultra realistic graphic than having to set it to low setting for 100++ fps 😂
High refresh rates monitors are mostly for competitive games anyway that can push upto hundreds of fps on mid range PCs.
@@alieffauzanrizky72021440p 240hz is for my 7900xtx. Pushes like 200-400 fps in most games. Most ridiculous gpu I've ever bought
@seethe72 well yeah, if you have a 1050ti you probably shouldn't be buying a 240hz monitor unless you only play light esports titles. But anything above a 3080, you should probably have either a 4k 60hz or 1080p/1440p high refresh rate monitor, otherwise you're just wasting your gpu power.
I prefer framerate over graphics. Just a personal preference
It doesn't matter ,i have 165hz 120 Hz and 75 hz ,owh yah and 90hz and I still prefer 60 hz
Prob havent even set it in the settings
Of course you have all those high refresh rates and still prefer 60 hz very true
You need to set your refresh rate to max after plugging in 😂😂😂
sure bro
When yopu want to make a video about refresh rates, but don't even know the difference between refresh rates and response times...
maybe i just cant afford a better monitor
Go to work man.
@@wizwille2146 IF I COULD I WOULD IM FUCKING 14
@@_Q9-you could work at mcdonald’s rn
@@_Q9-you can, you're just a lazy child. When I was 13 I was going to the tomato greenhouses to work there.
@@GroteGlon hahahaha i wish i could find a job, i live in a big city there are not much options for me basically none and how do you assume that im lazy thats just a cocky thing to say
i have one 360 hz and one 240 and its SOOO amazing refresh rate matters and A LOT.
I will upgrade my monitor to 1080Hz in 2025, just back from the future.
ah yes, those few milliseconds are going to be so useful in my life
I'll stick with 60Hz , atleast for now
144hz 2k here
That's what i want. I only have a 3060ti so I don't want to overspend on a monitor that I won't be able to get the most out of. It's either gonna be 4k 60hz or 2k 144hz (maybe 120?)
@@JakobeOG I got two 27inch 1440p 144hz monitors and it is wonderful (upgraded from 1080p 60hz) I wouldn't chose 4K monitor unless you have really good graphics card. and don't go more than 27inch monitor on 2K resolution.
would you say a 144hz monitor is worth it for office work ?
@noc427 no why would anyone need more than 60hz for office work? The cost for 144hz is almost double for what 60hz monitors go for
@@JakobeOG I've heard that the higher the refresh rate, the more restful it is for your eyes or something like that. I've never used a high-refresh-rate monitor so idont know
Got a 165hz monitor so im good for now
You’re kinda good forever, all you really need is 120-144hz after that the difference is minimal so 240hz is pointless really unless you’re super competitive
@@noobs371 between 1ms and 4 ms there is many differences for competitive game like valorant ?
@@ktn772no but be aware thoose manufacture specs aren't accurate,there are tech reviewers that do test them in realistic scenarios like Hardware Unboxed for example that's where you can get some real answers and not spec sheet bollocks highly innacurate
@noobs371 165 to 240 is absolutely a noticeable difference to me, not necessarily night and day but I can easily tell them apart.
Funny how 60 fps was the norm for decades and 30 fps used to be normal as well, but now people cry over it now. 60 is smooth asf. Sure it's not as responsive but not everyone is a competitor
i feel like when they mean you don't need a 60hz monitor
they mean you don't need a 60hz monitor to have fun
Wasted energy
When we watching videos, mostly 30fps.
Which that mean only use 30hz.
Cheapest basic display are 60hz.
This already wasted two times energy.
Because the screen rendered 2hz per 1fps video (actually it must be 1hz per 1fps so it can more efficient)
Why need higher refresh rate
Maximum youtube video frame rate are 60fps.
And that content can be watched on 60hz devices
Why bother?
Unless you are richie man
So you never think about electricity bill or something
For most people, 60hz is enough
Thats why even from the most famous phone company, Apple
Releases basic iphone stick to 60hz.
Also, some games still stuck on 60fps, like genshin impact
This guys on RUclips be like.
Refresh rate is soooo important for gaming so I bought monitor with 240Hz and my old with 75Hz.
And when somebody ask them which GPU do they have.
Gtx 990 .....
Oh, okay, I'll just spawn $200 in my pocket to but a 120 hz moniter 🤗
I got 240hz with 180$ what u yapping abt😂
@@Sorrow_dzn fine $140 💀 I still can't afford it
I would love a high refresh rate monitor, unfortunately if I want to stick with 4K then a 4K high refresh rate monitor is $$$$$$
money which i don’t have, my current 4K 60hz monitor is fine for the games i play
I'll be sticking with 60 hertz thank-you for showing me its hardly noticeable at all despite your sarcasm saying it is when it obviously is not !! Besides we are watching this on 60hz so I guess you trust it just fine.
dumb people buying 240Hz monitor but not changing the refresh rate from 60Hz
For me even with these videos it does seem that big of a deal to me. It’s probably because I’ve never tried anything above 60hz but either way it wouldn’t make sense to spend money if I perfectly fine with what I have.
If 60 hertz is good enough for lights that I can’t tell are turning on and off I think it’ll be fine for my computer monitor that I play games that I get 40 fps on.
If The device is capable to handle 240 hz in normal condition , then it will be able to sustain 120 hz in gaming without frame drops and heating lag😊😊😊 so , under budget , go for good processing rather than higher refresh rate screen❤❤
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I am suprised that i have a good monitor since it has 165hz refresh rate and everybody is saying 60hz is a lot 💀
imagine u could afford 240hz monitor, but ur gpu is struggling at 60fps in low setting game
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Why do you even upload this if you recorded it with a 60 Hz camera
Yeah. It doesn't matter until I play the game in 0.25x speed.😅
Show the difference at 100% speed and then tell me about it 💀
Rn I am using a spare monitor and I am getting 360 fps, is that good?
If you use 60Hz monitors in both sides it doesn't have much difference.
exaxtly stfu about 60 frames if i upgrade it doesnt make a differance is the biggest cap ever said 😂😂
I got a line on my monitor and it’s 60hz 🔥🔥 better than those competitive monitors or whatever
Im gonna be honest: i dont see a difference between 60, and 120hz in real time
I have 59.780 Hz Monitor 🖥. 😢
Bro, I have a 1980 TV as a monitor💀
I want to upgrade my monitor but my dad doesm't let me buy nes
i prefer playing on 4k 60hz over 1080p 240hz
above 90hz its just super expensive, there is NO WAY im buying this in my entire lifetime
its so expensive and i wont spend all this money on a monitor... like... there are better stuff to buy
@@miguel_noob6668get a job
@@miguel_noob6668this is the better choice get a job go to university and learn sth like programming and you will earn like minimum 2500 euro get a job get a job and stop complaining in the comments about expensive stuff
YeH shits expensive af i have strict budget I can afford rx 6700xt and r5 5600 to upgrade my old pc but but but my monitor is 60hz 1080p and 6700xt is 2k card I can't experience shit
I've got 17' crt monitor with 85hz
you can upgrade the hz but not the skill
Is a 180hz,24inch,1080p monitor good for a pc?
not bad, not great
atleast i have 60 Hz i dont need 240 or shit
My brothers 270 HZ Monitor🤡
even for gamers, it ain't matter. only matters for certain type of games for 5% of the top performing gamers. probably better spending the $ to invest in something that actually makes money.
120/144/165hz monitor is a good investment. For signals player games you can pick at 40/48 and it will be good if you're on a tight budget.
Nobody slows the world 25percent
85hz crt monitor for me
So 0 latancy
i got a 177hz monitor lmao
Tbh no one realy cate bc u need godly reaction without slow motion to even realize it has differences
ever tried one? because high refresh rate makes motion so much clearer
I’ll actually slow it down to 45Hz
yeah but you do not notice it in my opinion but eh