Thks for yr opinion & share Fred. Great job. Keep it up. Got my first 3Sixty fr Liaoge. Will be looking out for my 2nd bike for my family, with external gear for simplicity. Cheers
This is a direct copy of a Brompton, with some fine ad ons. I would like a hydraulic disc brake in front (Not just a mechanical brake), but actually mine functions very fine, I know from riding down a steep serpentine road. I have changed to a Ceramic Titanium crank and many other parts, to make my Ligthweight even lighter.
Having owned a small wheel bike (not this one) for a good while, I would say that hydraulic brakes are an overkill for the limited diameter of the wheels. But if you are going to use one hydraulic brake, it should be mounted on the rear, not the front which could cause you to go over the handlebars in the event of a sudden braking incident.
Very nice video! I am looking for similar bike. What is it's weight? Do you think is it possible to reduce it up to 10.5 kg? I have seen SUNRIMOON bike. It is looks exactly like yours. Do you know something about It? Thank you😊 17:52
Hey thank you, just trying my best to deliver it as well as I can. Hope this works. Haha as for the road bikes, I didn't stand a chance... just trying to be funny in the video. 😁👍
Have you checked out Crius Trifold? It has been out for quite sometime. The Shimano Tiagra set really attracts me, much more than Afluen or Mint Trifold.
Yeah I've seen them and they are nice! I guess the Tiagra has also been factored into the price. To me, my POV is that the derailleurs are not too expensive to switch out so it didn't become pivotal in the consideration. But yes... just my own view. ;)
@@fredphua just in case there were miscom, not only the RD is Tiagra, the shifter is Tiagra too. I tested it for a short while and I am very pleased with it. Sadly no ready stocks at my preferred bike shop. If you have the time, do check it out. Would love to hear your views on it.
@@fyresg Oh no all good, that was my assumption too when I replied. In any case, hope the stocks land in the near future and you can get your bike soon! :)
@@fredphua of course! I'm still shopping a secondary trifold bike to my Brompton. Brompton are about $2,000 here in the United States, the price has increased $200 in the last 6 months. Thank you very much for putting me on to this. They look excellent and the price point is about one-third that of the Brompton. I don't know what shipping or additional fees would be but I can't imagine they'd be half the cost of the bike so it would still be under half the price of a Brompton for more speeds on what sounds like a rather resilient build. I know the final cost of Mobot Camp Royale is much closer to the cost of a Brompton for me and the 3sixty seems to need a lot of upgrades. Litepro just doesn't seem to have the quality even though it's half the price. Thank you again
Is the folded size similar to a stock Brompton? I've always heard that the 100mm/135mm axle width would mean wider folded size but with 349/16" wheels, is that the case?
Hey Ray, yes it seems wider when folded. I haven't measured it so I'm not sure how much wider, but not to the extent where it causes me any noticeable inconvenience. Hope this helps! 😁👍
I've just ordered one, agree with you the rear triangle is the real draw for me. Upgrade and maintenance is just alot easier and cheaper. Not to mention interchangeable with my other bikes. I'm also worried about the weight, do you think you can swap out the disc with rim? Does it have the mount to do so ? It is one of the area of upgrade I'm thinking
Congratulations on your new bike Roland! I was toying with the same idea and saw some mounting holes on the rear triangle as well as the front fork that seems to be for brakes. Didnt actually try it so unsure it would work, but would imagine may require longer brake arm extensions if it does.😁
@@fredphua the seller on AliExpress couldn't fulfil the order. Apparently the manufacturer have now tripled the price. Guess it's becoming very popular now.
Is about 6 months after owning this trifold by Afluen. Would like to know how you feel about the bike? Any issues encountered such as rust and design problems? TIA
Thank you so much. I'd love to do Ride vlogs, just afraid I don't do justice to the places and can't make it interesting enough. Some day, hopefully! 😁👍
Thank you for the encouragement Yong Lim. Haha the road bikers probably was rode a longer distance already and it was only a short stretch when we met. Couldn't catch up after that haha. Anyway, resharing the link 👍Hope this helps: afluen.com/
Hey on this demo bike, I only used normal singer oil. I just released a video where my mechanic helps me with the hinges on my own Avro, think he used some fishing reel lubricant. Alternatively, I have seen some recommend BCW too. Hope it helps.
Nice work! On your complaint of the stiff joints / hinges, do you also face the same issue on your 3sixty? I tried to lube the two hinges but I got very slight improvement.
Hey thank you for dropping by. As for my 3Sixty, it was purchased from Faz and he has an elaborate process of preparing the bike before handing it over. Amongst the prep is the lubrication of the hinges with some special lube, and I had no issues at all with it while having it so far. Might want to check out some of his vids on FB, he shares what he does to the bikes before handing over. Cool and trustworthy chap!
Hey welcome back and thank you for this! I think Aceoffix has well established themselves and plenty of user reviews on them. Haha perhaps my view may not be too helpful, but will check them out when I get the chance! 😁👍
Hey Issac, pleasure's mine and hope the opinions were of help. I didn't really try it on my 3Sixty. I can hit higher top speeds on my 3Sixty because of the higher gear ratios but couldn't sustain for long. The next gear downwards is too light, so I figured I shouldn't bother with my average there and just chill... haha. Honestly, it wouldn't be a fair comparison too because they were on different set ups (Gearing, tyres, position etc.), but I'm sure there are some folks within the 3Sixty/Pikes community that has nice set ups that are the "pocket rocket" category! So yeah, not really brand dependent but more the set ups. :D
Hello, thank you for dropping by. I am not in a position to ascertain if they are the 100% the same but I agree that they look highly similar. I saw both and I went for this because I was more comfortable with the folks at Afluen to honor the 5 year warranty against frame defects caused my manufacturing fault. That's just me and hope this thought process helps! 😉👍
Hey, I am not sure what kind of luggage you are envisioning, but there are bags specially made for these bikes. I have travelled with a Java Neo 2 and a Tyrell IVE in bike bags before. This folds smaller than those 2 models, so I won't think it'll be a problem. But don't think they can fit normal luggages. Hope this helps.
Thankful for the compliments. Yes it does, but kind of swayed by the warranty this shop provides. Now must clear space at home first before the wife says ok! 😁😁😁
Hi, thanks for dropping by. I assume you mean to have baggage mounted on it for travel? If so, I think it's fine depending on how light you'd be travelling. I used to do it only with 1 huge saddle bag for my clothes. Whereas for this (or any trifold bike designs) I'd have the option to add 1 bag at the front mount and another 1 at the rear rack. But question is, whether we'd like to be riding with 3 big bags... 😁
@@nathanieldwarner no problem, happy to be of help. Might want to go on test rides to see what you prefer, usually the best way to see what suits you. Happy hunting! 😉👍
But those are mechanical disc brakes…I think the caliper with good quality pads will be better than mechanical disc brakes specially if you will be braking on 50kph (or faster) speed.
Rather then spent 1k on this stock then another 1k for all the upgrades (let’s not kid ourselves, you sure go for shimano grpset) Why not straight go aceoffix frame, shimano grpset, forget the trash plastic pedals, straight teleport ur 3sixty pedals back on. Down the road u can complete the upgrade with a final Ti fork and rear triangle.
Haha please give chance... outrightly expose that I won't keep it stock. 😁😁 Jokes aside, I did consider this route too because of the dimensions of the frame, super well suited for Ti upgrades for some weight loss in future. But many of the rear triangle and fork I found for this combination are already Ti(pretty ex for me) and meant for 20 inch wheels. Besides customising them, any idea where to find the rear triangle and fork for 16inch disc? Want to keep it compact. Thank you for the help in advance! 😊🙏🏻
@@direxxion I think I have seen a few set up this way. Less compact but I guess can go faster? Haha might want to look it up. I did a calculation, a bit of a stretch for me. 😪
Hey, I think it'd be an awesome idea with the occasional rides nearer to nature! Sorry, I'm also not familiar with the stock availability anywhere near you nor do I know of sellers who ship overseas. Hope you land one soon!
Thks for yr opinion & share Fred. Great job. Keep it up. Got my first 3Sixty fr Liaoge. Will be looking out for my 2nd bike for my family, with external gear for simplicity. Cheers
Appreciate the kind words Paul. Happy hunting and hope you find a nice ride that you'll enjoy! 😁👍
It's a stunning bike! Thank you for recommending it and reviewing it! Definitely one to like and share!
Sponsor etap on this? 😁🙏🏻
This is a direct copy of a Brompton, with some fine ad ons. I would like a hydraulic disc brake in front (Not just a mechanical brake), but actually mine functions very fine, I know from riding down a steep serpentine road. I have changed to a Ceramic Titanium crank and many other parts, to make my Ligthweight even lighter.
Having owned a small wheel bike (not this one) for a good while, I would say that hydraulic brakes are an overkill for the limited diameter of the wheels. But if you are going to use one hydraulic brake, it should be mounted on the rear, not the front which could cause you to go over the handlebars in the event of a sudden braking incident.
Looks like a good option. I still feel the market is evolving with a lot of competition.
Nice channel subbed
Thank you so much, and likewise, awesome channel you have there too. Gotten some ideas on the next spots through your channel already! :D
@@fredphua great. Thanks 🙏🏻
Very nice video! I am looking for similar bike. What is it's weight? Do you think is it possible to reduce it up to 10.5 kg?
I have seen SUNRIMOON bike. It is looks exactly like yours. Do you know something about It? Thank you😊 17:52
I love this bike and so many great accessories for it. I wish they sold this bike in USA😞
Your videos are getting more pro! Like it when you said “Let’s go chase some road bikes!” 🤣🤣🤣
Hey thank you, just trying my best to deliver it as well as I can. Hope this works. Haha as for the road bikes, I didn't stand a chance... just trying to be funny in the video. 😁👍
Awesome review!
Appreciate it fleng shah!
Have you checked out Crius Trifold? It has been out for quite sometime. The Shimano Tiagra set really attracts me, much more than Afluen or Mint Trifold.
Yeah I've seen them and they are nice! I guess the Tiagra has also been factored into the price. To me, my POV is that the derailleurs are not too expensive to switch out so it didn't become pivotal in the consideration. But yes... just my own view. ;)
@@fredphua just in case there were miscom, not only the RD is Tiagra, the shifter is Tiagra too. I tested it for a short while and I am very pleased with it. Sadly no ready stocks at my preferred bike shop. If you have the time, do check it out. Would love to hear your views on it.
@@fyresg Oh no all good, that was my assumption too when I replied. In any case, hope the stocks land in the near future and you can get your bike soon! :)
This is Such a great review! Thank you
Thank you for the kind words!
@@fredphua of course! I'm still shopping a secondary trifold bike to my Brompton. Brompton are about $2,000 here in the United States, the price has increased $200 in the last 6 months. Thank you very much for putting me on to this. They look excellent and the price point is about one-third that of the Brompton. I don't know what shipping or additional fees would be but I can't imagine they'd be half the cost of the bike so it would still be under half the price of a Brompton for more speeds on what sounds like a rather resilient build. I know the final cost of Mobot Camp Royale is much closer to the cost of a Brompton for me and the 3sixty seems to need a lot of upgrades. Litepro just doesn't seem to have the quality even though it's half the price.
Thank you again
@@NoZenith pleasure is mine. Good luck with your hunt! I'm sure you'll find the one that ticks all boxes for you in no time. 😊👍
What is the weight of this? There is nothing on the site .Also do you have dealer or any support in the US?
What's the weight of this Avro trifold?
Hey I think about 12-13kg stock?
Is the folded size similar to a stock Brompton? I've always heard that the 100mm/135mm axle width would mean wider folded size but with 349/16" wheels, is that the case?
Hey Ray, yes it seems wider when folded. I haven't measured it so I'm not sure how much wider, but not to the extent where it causes me any noticeable inconvenience. Hope this helps! 😁👍
How is the after purchase servicing and warranty like?
I've just ordered one, agree with you the rear triangle is the real draw for me. Upgrade and maintenance is just alot easier and cheaper. Not to mention interchangeable with my other bikes. I'm also worried about the weight, do you think you can swap out the disc with rim? Does it have the mount to do so ? It is one of the area of upgrade I'm thinking
Congratulations on your new bike Roland! I was toying with the same idea and saw some mounting holes on the rear triangle as well as the front fork that seems to be for brakes. Didnt actually try it so unsure it would work, but would imagine may require longer brake arm extensions if it does.😁
@@fredphua Nice, something to try when it arrives !
@@AutoCAD681let me know how it turns out, will be very curious to know too! 😁👍
@@fredphua the seller on AliExpress couldn't fulfil the order. Apparently the manufacturer have now tripled the price. Guess it's becoming very popular now.
I'm looking at Crius frame only now. It has 130mm rear but it doesn't fold well. It catches the chain so maybe it's disc 135mm for a reason ?
Is about 6 months after owning this trifold by Afluen. Would like to know how you feel about the bike? Any issues encountered such as rust and design problems? TIA
Thanks for asking. Well, still have lots and lots and lots of fun with it, and I didnt face any rust issues. Lucky me. 😁👍
Nice review fred. You should do more ride vlogs. Singapore is a beautiful place
Thank you so much. I'd love to do Ride vlogs, just afraid I don't do justice to the places and can't make it interesting enough. Some day, hopefully! 😁👍
hi is it true i can change from 9 speed to 11 speed? do i need to change the rim as well?
Great review. Thank you. Love the faces of the road bikers when you pass them lol. Can’t find the link for this bike shop though.
Thank you for the encouragement Yong Lim. Haha the road bikers probably was rode a longer distance already and it was only a short stretch when we met. Couldn't catch up after that haha.
Anyway, resharing the link 👍Hope this helps: afluen.com/
May I know what lubricant you used on the stiff joints/hinges?
Hey on this demo bike, I only used normal singer oil. I just released a video where my mechanic helps me with the hinges on my own Avro, think he used some fishing reel lubricant. Alternatively, I have seen some recommend BCW too. Hope it helps.
What's the weight of the bike?
Nice work! On your complaint of the stiff joints / hinges, do you also face the same issue on your 3sixty? I tried to lube the two hinges but I got very slight improvement.
Hey thank you for dropping by. As for my 3Sixty, it was purchased from Faz and he has an elaborate process of preparing the bike before handing it over. Amongst the prep is the lubrication of the hinges with some special lube, and I had no issues at all with it while having it so far. Might want to check out some of his vids on FB, he shares what he does to the bikes before handing over. Cool and trustworthy chap!
@@fredphuaI also bought from Fazz! No doubt he is a very nice chap. I will check with him the next time I drop by.
@@fyresg Cool cool, then I'm sure you're in good hands! :D
Great review! Bro can u also do a review on aceoffix? Would love to see u do it in your down to earth review ! Cheers
Hey welcome back and thank you for this! I think Aceoffix has well established themselves and plenty of user reviews on them. Haha perhaps my view may not be too helpful, but will check them out when I get the chance! 😁👍
Hi Fred, thanks for the review and it is insightful. The average speed is 30 kph and this is impressive. Do you get such performance for the 3Sixty?
Hey Issac, pleasure's mine and hope the opinions were of help.
I didn't really try it on my 3Sixty. I can hit higher top speeds on my 3Sixty because of the higher gear ratios but couldn't sustain for long. The next gear downwards is too light, so I figured I shouldn't bother with my average there and just chill... haha.
Honestly, it wouldn't be a fair comparison too because they were on different set ups (Gearing, tyres, position etc.), but I'm sure there are some folks within the 3Sixty/Pikes community that has nice set ups that are the "pocket rocket" category! So yeah, not really brand dependent but more the set ups. :D
@@fredphua Yes, your reviews are very helpful. Still considering which 16inch bike to choose. Thanks.
is it same as Mint BT9? i saw Mint BT9 using same wheel-7oclock
Hello, thank you for dropping by. I am not in a position to ascertain if they are the 100% the same but I agree that they look highly similar. I saw both and I went for this because I was more comfortable with the folks at Afluen to honor the 5 year warranty against frame defects caused my manufacturing fault. That's just me and hope this thought process helps! 😉👍
@@fredphua thank you a lot
Thanks for sharing your review...
13:21 Alamak Bro..u make me miss cycling in Taiwan 😆😆😆
Taiwanderful !!!
Thank you so much. Yes indeed, I miss it so much too! Let's hope things become normal again and everyone can go on awesome riding trips again!
just to give a gauge of its size - can u fit it into a luggage?
Hey, I am not sure what kind of luggage you are envisioning, but there are bags specially made for these bikes. I have travelled with a Java Neo 2 and a Tyrell IVE in bike bags before. This folds smaller than those 2 models, so I won't think it'll be a problem. But don't think they can fit normal luggages. Hope this helps.
Nice bike and reviews bro. The bike looks similar to Mint trifold bike. Great shared.
Thankful for the compliments. Yes it does, but kind of swayed by the warranty this shop provides. Now must clear space at home first before the wife says ok! 😁😁😁
Does the stock bike sufficient for bike packing ?
Hi, thanks for dropping by. I assume you mean to have baggage mounted on it for travel? If so, I think it's fine depending on how light you'd be travelling. I used to do it only with 1 huge saddle bag for my clothes. Whereas for this (or any trifold bike designs) I'd have the option to add 1 bag at the front mount and another 1 at the rear rack. But question is, whether we'd like to be riding with 3 big bags... 😁
what is your height?
How does this compare to 3sixty/pikes? Do you like it better?
Hey Nathaniel, I went ahead and bought it in the end. Loving how it rides and the possibilities that come with it as described in the video.
@@fredphua thank you, I think I may buy one too. i was looking at both this and pikes.
@@nathanieldwarner no problem, happy to be of help. Might want to go on test rides to see what you prefer, usually the best way to see what suits you. Happy hunting! 😉👍
But those are mechanical disc brakes…I think the caliper with good quality pads will be better than mechanical disc brakes specially if you will be braking on 50kph (or faster) speed.
Rather then spent 1k on this stock then another 1k for all the upgrades (let’s not kid ourselves, you sure go for shimano grpset)
Why not straight go aceoffix frame, shimano grpset, forget the trash plastic pedals, straight teleport ur 3sixty pedals back on. Down the road u can complete the upgrade with a final Ti fork and rear triangle.
Haha please give chance... outrightly expose that I won't keep it stock. 😁😁
Jokes aside, I did consider this route too because of the dimensions of the frame, super well suited for Ti upgrades for some weight loss in future. But many of the rear triangle and fork I found for this combination are already Ti(pretty ex for me) and meant for 20 inch wheels. Besides customising them, any idea where to find the rear triangle and fork for 16inch disc? Want to keep it compact. Thank you for the help in advance! 😊🙏🏻
Good idea, anyone tot of doing frame with 20 inch fork and triangle?
@@direxxion I think I have seen a few set up this way. Less compact but I guess can go faster? Haha might want to look it up. I did a calculation, a bit of a stretch for me. 😪
Nice bike but no mudguards is ridiculous
Anyway great video
I need a piece, I'm at Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, how much will cost me, plus freight?
Hey, I think it'd be an awesome idea with the occasional rides nearer to nature! Sorry, I'm also not familiar with the stock availability anywhere near you nor do I know of sellers who ship overseas. Hope you land one soon!
Brompton: That looks like a copy of me🤔
Nahh not for me, if I want speed I will get roadbike with shimano 105. I am glad that we have more options than the current market.
Cool choice.
What is the default gear ratio range? Like highest compared to lowest gear?