I almost cried when I saw the first technique because it was the first one I learned many moons ago, and one which I totally forgot. Tate shiho hishigi actually stretches the ligaments inside the upper thighs of the uke/opponent. Very painful. Try it out. Like a Banana split in Jiu-Jitsu. Wow, and the half-guard calg splicer. Chadi, a toast, I totally forgot those...
Judo is by the day reduced to a Tango dance for the show, promoters just want to capture best Ippons to sell Judo and make money. While BJJ today IS JUDO with less Tachi Waza. This is the truth nobody can deny it.
Don't fool yourself, those high-level Judokas are killers. They're extraordinarily well trained and conditioned. I think the natural evolution of both sports created this division in emphasis. both Tachi and Ne waza are their own worlds now as knowledge and sophistication has increased enormously. Both worlds, and they've become that, are awesome.
As someone who is getting back into martial arts im honestly falling inlove with channels like yours and studying these techniques. Thanks for your hard work.
Thank you for the history lesson on leg locks. The first time I became interested in leg locks was when I saw the story of Brazilian immigrant and Catch Wrestler Rufino Dos Santos. Thank you very much for another great video.
Your videos are fucking Golden. Thank you for preserving the history and integrity of Judo and Jiu Jitsu (or just Jujutsu since there really isn’t that big of a difference between the two?)
Which begs the question.... should we study Judo the kodokan way nevertheless and learn all this forbidden techniques for the purity of judo? And shall we stick to the IJF norms and it's watered down art... BJJ is claiming everything we forgot and banned.
The LEAST you can do is keep them in exams and possibly the kodokan should create a new kata revolved around them, or allow IBJJF gi leg locks in judo just so people people never forget
As a BJJ I'm sad to see your art being slowly but progressively killed by way of idiotic rules being added more and more. I can only pray that BJJ stay as far away as possible from the Olympics and it's shenanigans.
@@donotstalkme As long as they stay away. Look at what happened to karate and the rest.....Cos I heard even in BJJ, knee bars are prohibited in some tournaments. If BJJ became an Olympic sport, for the sake of "safety", it would be watered down. I don't wish that on any art.
As a Brazilian I can say that a culture here is stealing everything you can. The Gracies saw the opportunity to plagiarize judo and claim to have invented a new art. Crime pays a lot in my country.
Those who have only learned tournament Judo should watch your videos to see what a complete system Judo used to be. I recognized the illustrations from Kaiwaishi's book, my Judo Bible.
You can see ashi hishigi work with Jake shields vs cub swanson. Most heel hook players will rotate their hips to point the knee in the direction of force being applied by tori, placing the force into the crook of the knee. In the case of this video and cub being injured, the hips and knee were not turned. The side of the knee is compromised.
my guess for why ashi ishigi is not used like it is displayed here is because from a single leg X guard people when someone sweeps towards the inside of the knee like that you know the outside heel hook is coming as a finisher so you try to roll out of it and/or free your knee while trying to prevent control on your remaining leg. My point is people use it but finish the position with an outside heel hook and often concentrate on keeping the leg they are attacking squeezed between their knees. I've used it in bjj and had it used on me but my guess is as good as anyone's.
I know you will agree Chadi but I am ALL FOR the safety for Olympic Judo but that SHOULD NEVER apply to the Dojo teaching the Martial Art of Judo. How hard is it for people to think properly!!!
This stuff needs to live on. Once things cool off pandemic wise I want to get back to Judo. It is my hope to also get into BJJ so I can learn things I may not in 21at century Judo. My desire for knowledge and ability is pretty great. Personally I believe experienced high ranking people can do a lot of things safety. (Not spazzing white belts lol) nothing is 100 percent safe. Heck if you play your cards right you can walk down the street fall and break something due not paying attention. It happens. I love Judo and all the cool things that used to be in it and it’s potential. Personally I think it is time for a come back. Lol
Judo is by the day reduced to a Tango dance for the show, promoters just want to capture best Ippons to sell Judo and make money. While BJJ today IS JUDO with less Tachi Waza. This is the truth nobody can deny it.
Crickey, those ashi garami submissions look savage. I know why know one uses them, they'd run out of training partners! Could be damn useful in a street situation if you find yourself on your back about to get the crap kicked out of you, I'm going to store that one in a little part of my brain.
That is what I don't like about "sport" and "olympic" judo. Its only a very limited display of an incredible martial art system. When we concentrate on the one element of judo its inevitable that techniques will be lost. Thanks for posting!
Chadi, perhaps you should ask someone more experienced about certain locks before commenting on their effectiveness....I used the hunchback leg spreader just 2 weeks ago, and it was also a favorite of Carlson Gracie, and TX BJJ guy won a match in MMA with 2 weeks after my vid showing it again In Japan. I have video showing many of these locks and using them live as well you should ask, and I could direct you to them on my channel to have more video reference, before commenting. Simply put, what a white/blue thinks is effective vs a black/black belt are two very different things and shouldn't be telling people what works as if they are an authority or doesn't without the body control grappling ability over others to make something work.
I never said they were not efficient i said they were less efficient, I'm sure an inside heel hook will do damage quicker, and yes of course send me a link.
Hey Chadi. Can you look into why and when wristlocks were banned from judo? Also do you think that had something to do with why judo would dominate in matches versus koryu jujutsu? Wrist locks seems to be a large part of the old school ryu so taking them out would favor judo. Not saying judo still wouldn’t have won but it’s an interesting rule considering many of the old school styles.
So basically judo was a completely diversed and big martial art which has answered to any too close situation before getting water downed and know BJJ is more like taking it's ground work and claiming it thier own and is still a cool art that it can compete with the likes of all arts in the world and also used in mixed martial arts. One question though does judo no gi version have everything and (something more if any..) than catch wrestling, bcoz I hear alot say one is superior than other without any explanation
Judo and catch both share the pin, but in catch if I'm in your guard and your shoulders are in the mat, you're pinned, hence no guard game, in judo there's guard and pin
@@Chadi ohk thanks, happy to see your channel is growing. Since back in kano's dday it was called kano jujutsu did it involve strikes like the old one may be u can make a video on that
@@Chadi I think you are wrong there. There was a curriculum of atemi-waza techniques, that seems to have been totally forgotten. Nothing very impressive, just teaser punches to open up for a throw. I will see what I can find.
I think the reason why you can't use Ashi garami in competition because if it is done at full speed with a competitor trying to slap it on and the other competitor trying to get out, the time to tap out is literally zero, like a dropping Ude-hishigi-ude-gatame from a standing position. Sure you do it slow and the person might have the time to tap but I can understand the reason why ashigarami is just so dangerous, its a no mercy technique, when you do it, you intentions are to destroy that leg. By the time the guy is tapping bloody murder that knee is gone.
On the 10th Planet system the call this calf slicer "The Secret" if I'm not mistaken. You start with a standard lockdown, then place your foot under your opponent's foot. With time you develop the feeling of where to put your other foot in order to maximize the pain on the calf of your opponent, and it becomes a real easy, low risk high reward submission. I use it literally every time, people hate me ;-)
I think a lot of those techniques just have simple defenses that trained opponents can and will take advantage of, I remember thinking how great standing leg locks were until people just inverted and took my back. The second problem is that a lot of those techniques aren't seriously damaging, I have probably eaten every sandwich that 10th Planet has made and still walked away from them. The knee reap submission is kind of interesting though, there is a precedent for knee injuries from lateral movement in 50/50 that looks mechanically similar.
No one taps to that "ashi garami" thing you showed. Maybe a white belt, but myself (BJJ purple belt) and a bunch of others (brown and black belts, including judo brown and black belts) tried to make it work and we couldn't tap each other with it at all. Most of these are not efficient at all. But I have seen white belts tap to some of these. Maybe that's the extent of their effectiveness?
I don't know what you guys were doing, but Tanabe busted people's legs with it, and got banned because of that, even before that entire ban of leg locks
@@Chadi Tanabe busted one guys legs right? It's a knee reap. Sometimes people get hurt from knee reaps, especially when they themselves make the mistake and turn the wrong way.
@@anthonymalgiero4215 he tapped out when it was too late, it must have worked, I'll try it myself and see and get back to you, there's a reason it was banned
Another thing I didn't think about... These guys were all wearing a gi. We tried it in nogi. Knee reaps are illegal in BJJ with the gi so maybe there's something to this as long as you have the friction from the gi to help.
As long as there is no twisting action on the knee joint, I am all for it, but they have to be practiced with extreme care. A knee joint is much more delicate than a shoulder or an elbow. One stupid asshole and you can kiss your martial arts career/training goodbye. So it also makes sense to restrict it to higher belts in competition.
Agreed! Also you see it a lot at higher level the moment that heel hook is locked they tap, no reason to resist, if they know there's no escape, you can resist an armbar or choke and get out but with leg locks especially the trapping mechanism (ashi garami, inside outside sankaku) there's no escape and there's danger for ACL surgery.
Recently there's been some discussion regarding 16 year old (Pat Shahgholi) who at a recent Eddie Bravo event just destroyed his opponent's knee. Apparently he's known for having little regard for opponents when using leg locks. I was wondering if we could get your opinion on the matter. Do you think there should be a minimum age to learn heel hooks? Do you think a 16 year old might be too immature to be able to use them? Anything you can think of. This isn't the original footage. This is a doctor giving his take on the matter. ruclips.net/video/1T26RyNzBDs/видео.html
I’ve seen this, absolutely classless and zero ethics. Not only that he obnoxiously bows to the crowd not even checking on his opponent. If he thinks he’s gonna a career doing this, he’s wrong. No one would fight him in super fights or whatever, not only that someone better than him is gonna seriously hurt him.
O Judo era tao completo qto o Jiu Jitsu, os Gracie tem mto marketing e tal, mas qdo vc olha o currículo do Judô okd school, tava tudo la ja. Até esse jogo de hj em dia, chave de calcanhar pra todo lado, tava tudo la. Mas com o tempo, mais e mais regras vao sendo colocadas, Olimpíada e tal, e transformaram o Judo num TaeKwonDo, uma arte q começou completa e hj nao é nem 20% do q ja foi.
@@donotstalkme verdade ,virou esporte olímpico perde a essência marcial ,treinei Tae Kwon do de 83/95 e fui pro jiu-jitsu ,tive uma lesão seria no joelho e larguei ,fui pro boxe e muaythai
@@marciotanuz7142 Eu peguei a preta de TaeKwonDo nos anos 90, ai migrei pro JiuJitsu e hj sou preta tbem. Treino Muay Thai esporadicamente, mas somando devo ter mais de 10 anos de treino já. O TaeKwonDo foi morto por causa das regras de competição, sem socos no rosto e sem low kicks, não tem como uma arte de striking ser efetiva hoje em dia.
I almost cried when I saw the first technique because it was the first one I learned many moons ago, and one which I totally forgot.
Tate shiho hishigi actually stretches the ligaments inside the upper thighs of the uke/opponent. Very painful. Try it out. Like a Banana split in Jiu-Jitsu.
Wow, and the half-guard calg splicer. Chadi, a toast, I totally forgot those...
Will do thank you
Yup nothing is new, just rediscovered
Judo is by the day reduced to a Tango dance for the show, promoters just want to capture best Ippons to sell Judo and make money.
While BJJ today IS JUDO with less Tachi Waza.
This is the truth nobody can deny it.
Don't fool yourself, those high-level Judokas are killers. They're extraordinarily well trained and conditioned. I think the natural evolution of both sports created this division in emphasis. both Tachi and Ne waza are their own worlds now as knowledge and sophistication has increased enormously. Both worlds, and they've become that, are awesome.
As someone who is getting back into martial arts im honestly falling inlove with channels like yours and studying these techniques. Thanks for your hard work.
I'm glad i can help
Thank you for the history lesson on leg locks. The first time I became interested in leg locks was when I saw the story of Brazilian immigrant and Catch Wrestler Rufino Dos Santos. Thank you very much for another great video.
Thank you Dwayne
Man I saw a video of Gene lebell showing some of those stuff correctly and he is brilliant! All work!
Can you drop a link??
@@Chadi ruclips.net/video/es_CfKtMkVw/видео.html
@@Chadi go to 20th minute to see the first technique you said it's deficult.
@@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970 thanks
@@Chadi actually it's on 18'30
Your videos are fucking Golden. Thank you for preserving the history and integrity of Judo and Jiu Jitsu (or just Jujutsu since there really isn’t that big of a difference between the two?)
Thank you so much! Yes jiu jitsu and jujutsu are the same, it's just the Portuguese pronunciation
Which begs the question.... should we study Judo the kodokan way nevertheless and learn all this forbidden techniques for the purity of judo? And shall we stick to the IJF norms and it's watered down art... BJJ is claiming everything we forgot and banned.
The LEAST you can do is keep them in exams and possibly the kodokan should create a new kata revolved around them, or allow IBJJF gi leg locks in judo just so people people never forget
As a BJJ I'm sad to see your art being slowly but progressively killed by way of idiotic rules being added more and more. I can only pray that BJJ stay as far away as possible from the Olympics and it's shenanigans.
@@donotstalkme As long as they stay away. Look at what happened to karate and the rest.....Cos I heard even in BJJ, knee bars are prohibited in some tournaments. If BJJ became an Olympic sport, for the sake of "safety", it would be watered down. I don't wish that on any art.
Thats because kodokan is an Olympic sport. If you want to learn the banned techniques you can, just dont do it in competition.
As a Brazilian I can say that a culture here is stealing everything you can. The Gracies saw the opportunity to plagiarize judo and claim to have invented a new art. Crime pays a lot in my country.
Man, you rock! Love when you bring stuff that isn't common in BJJ :)
Thank you Daniel:)
Those who have only learned tournament Judo should watch your videos to see what a complete system Judo used to be. I recognized the illustrations from Kaiwaishi's book, my Judo Bible.
Thank you! That's why I do this
I died laughing when you said that one of the legs locks would have the IBJF have epileptic seizures.
🤙🏻
i thought i knew it all, but you are truly full of new knowledge for me.
Excellent Chadi, loved this video, thank you my friend
Thank you Sensei
The first one doesn't work in competition but it will work on your buddy that doesn't know anything!
Also if you're heavier
I think it also depends on the flexibility of your opponent.
You can see ashi hishigi work with Jake shields vs cub swanson. Most heel hook players will rotate their hips to point the knee in the direction of force being applied by tori, placing the force into the crook of the knee. In the case of this video and cub being injured, the hips and knee were not turned. The side of the knee is compromised.
I'll check it out
my guess for why ashi ishigi is not used like it is displayed here is because from a single leg X guard people when someone sweeps towards the inside of the knee like that you know the outside heel hook is coming as a finisher so you try to roll out of it and/or free your knee while trying to prevent control on your remaining leg. My point is people use it but finish the position with an outside heel hook and often concentrate on keeping the leg they are attacking squeezed between their knees. I've used it in bjj and had it used on me but my guess is as good as anyone's.
Love the content Chadi ! Great work like normal.
Thank you so much
I know you will agree Chadi but I am ALL FOR the safety for Olympic Judo but that SHOULD NEVER apply to the Dojo teaching the Martial Art of Judo. How hard is it for people to think properly!!!
amazing footage
we have to being back and keep these lost judo leg locks a live.😇
Your videos are always satisfyingly thorough and timely! Great review of lost leg locks that may be high risk, but they must be learned. Oss
Thank you. Oss🤙🏻
Outstanding video! Thank you!
Thank you Diane
Um vídeo de 1995 replicando a mesma técnica - ruclips.net/video/7RS-XgMhVEI/видео.html - Oss
A video from 1995 replicating the same technique
This stuff needs to live on. Once things cool off pandemic wise I want to get back to Judo. It is my hope to also get into BJJ so I can learn things I may not in 21at century Judo. My desire for knowledge and ability is pretty great. Personally I believe experienced high ranking people can do a lot of things safety. (Not spazzing white belts lol) nothing is 100 percent safe. Heck if you play your cards right you can walk down the street fall and break something due not paying attention. It happens.
I love Judo and all the cool things that used to be in it and it’s potential. Personally I think it is time for a come back. Lol
You're on point
Judo is by the day reduced to a Tango dance for the show, promoters just want to capture best Ippons to sell Judo and make money.
While BJJ today IS JUDO with less Tachi Waza.
This is the truth nobody can deny it.
Crickey, those ashi garami submissions look savage. I know why know one uses them, they'd run out of training partners! Could be damn useful in a street situation if you find yourself on your back about to get the crap kicked out of you, I'm going to store that one in a little part of my brain.
Makes sense. Good work 😁
Thank you Rashid
That is what I don't like about "sport" and "olympic" judo. Its only a very limited display of an incredible martial art system. When we concentrate on the one element of judo its inevitable that techniques will be lost. Thanks for posting!
Agreed
Chadi, perhaps you should ask someone more experienced about certain locks before commenting on their effectiveness....I used the hunchback leg spreader just 2 weeks ago, and it was also a favorite of Carlson Gracie, and TX BJJ guy won a match in MMA with 2 weeks after my vid showing it again In Japan. I have video showing many of these locks and using them live as well you should ask, and I could direct you to them on my channel to have more video reference, before commenting. Simply put, what a white/blue thinks is effective vs a black/black belt are two very different things and shouldn't be telling people what works as if they are an authority or doesn't without the body control grappling ability over others to make something work.
I never said they were not efficient i said they were less efficient, I'm sure an inside heel hook will do damage quicker, and yes of course send me a link.
Great stuff..
Ojalá kodokan restaure, difunda y desarrolle el trabajo de pie en suelo 🤝🏼🖤❤️
Now I see why kani basami is rarely used in practice and competition. Big shame because it’s such a great takedown.
It's brutal for the heavy guys
Most definitely brutal. I feel like it’s that sort of technique that should be taught thoroughly but emphasising drilling it safely.
@@j.k__ agreed
Cung Le used it during his mma career.
kani basami and then leglock
Keep up the good work sir have you looked into the submission arts wrestling yet it's out of Japan and is catch based
Thank you sir! Yes i have looked into it
Hey Chadi. Can you look into why and when wristlocks were banned from judo? Also do you think that had something to do with why judo would dominate in matches versus koryu jujutsu? Wrist locks seems to be a large part of the old school ryu so taking them out would favor judo. Not saying judo still wouldn’t have won but it’s an interesting rule considering many of the old school styles.
I'll cover wristlocks soon
This is a nice video.
Thank you
It is not being used now in bjj... I'm gonna ask to practice it in my gym
Do it
Great!! I liked
Thank you Georges
Hope judo restore leg locks soon in a massive way not only for some high specialiced dojos
So basically judo was a completely diversed and big martial art which has answered to any too close situation before getting water downed and know BJJ is more like taking it's ground work and claiming it thier own and is still a cool art that it can compete with the likes of all arts in the world and also used in mixed martial arts. One question though does judo no gi version have everything and (something more if any..) than catch wrestling, bcoz I hear alot say one is superior than other without any explanation
Judo and catch both share the pin, but in catch if I'm in your guard and your shoulders are in the mat, you're pinned, hence no guard game, in judo there's guard and pin
@@Chadi ohk thanks, happy to see your channel is growing. Since back in kano's dday it was called kano jujutsu did it involve strikes like the old one may be u can make a video on that
@@maddog_majima9553 there were no strikes, only in kata
@@Chadi I think you are wrong there. There was a curriculum of atemi-waza techniques, that seems to have been totally forgotten. Nothing very impressive, just teaser punches to open up for a throw. I will see what I can find.
@@henrikg1388 even in randori??
I think the reason why you can't use Ashi garami in competition because if it is done at full speed with a competitor trying to slap it on and the other competitor trying to get out, the time to tap out is literally zero, like a dropping Ude-hishigi-ude-gatame from a standing position. Sure you do it slow and the person might have the time to tap but I can understand the reason why ashigarami is just so dangerous, its a no mercy technique, when you do it, you intentions are to destroy that leg. By the time the guy is tapping bloody murder that knee is gone.
Very interesting!!!
Thank you for Miguel
Kosen judo have leg locks?
Ashi kannuki and Ashi garami Look very effektiv for BJJ 👍🏻 Kuchiki taoshi is also good for BJJ
100%
Sad to watch judo die.
Gordon Ryan executed the Kani Basami multiple times against Bo Nickal who is a very high level wrestler
Tonon as well
Is ashi kanuki like the lockdown in 10th planet?
On the 10th Planet system the call this calf slicer "The Secret" if I'm not mistaken. You start with a standard lockdown, then place your foot under your opponent's foot. With time you develop the feeling of where to put your other foot in order to maximize the pain on the calf of your opponent, and it becomes a real easy, low risk high reward submission. I use it literally every time, people hate me ;-)
Yes but with a calf slice
I think a lot of those techniques just have simple defenses that trained opponents can and will take advantage of, I remember thinking how great standing leg locks were until people just inverted and took my back. The second problem is that a lot of those techniques aren't seriously damaging, I have probably eaten every sandwich that 10th Planet has made and still walked away from them.
The knee reap submission is kind of interesting though, there is a precedent for knee injuries from lateral movement in 50/50 that looks mechanically similar.
Yes i did mention that some are lost due to lack of efficiency, at the top level no one is going for these submissions
So everything in jiu jitsu should be in judo, but the fools from competences banned the moves... Naive
Amazing yo see.
Indeed
No one taps to that "ashi garami" thing you showed. Maybe a white belt, but myself (BJJ purple belt) and a bunch of others (brown and black belts, including judo brown and black belts) tried to make it work and we couldn't tap each other with it at all. Most of these are not efficient at all. But I have seen white belts tap to some of these. Maybe that's the extent of their effectiveness?
I don't know what you guys were doing, but Tanabe busted people's legs with it, and got banned because of that, even before that entire ban of leg locks
@@Chadi Tanabe busted one guys legs right? It's a knee reap. Sometimes people get hurt from knee reaps, especially when they themselves make the mistake and turn the wrong way.
@@anthonymalgiero4215 he tapped out when it was too late, it must have worked, I'll try it myself and see and get back to you, there's a reason it was banned
Another thing I didn't think about... These guys were all wearing a gi. We tried it in nogi. Knee reaps are illegal in BJJ with the gi so maybe there's something to this as long as you have the friction from the gi to help.
@@anthonymalgiero4215 I'll see for myself and get back to you
judo is from Jj j Japanese jiujitsu ,,every thing gose ... Judo is only e sport .but Jj j is ancient killing art
As long as there is no twisting action on the knee joint, I am all for it, but they have to be practiced with extreme care. A knee joint is much more delicate than a shoulder or an elbow. One stupid asshole and you can kiss your martial arts career/training goodbye. So it also makes sense to restrict it to higher belts in competition.
Agreed! Also you see it a lot at higher level the moment that heel hook is locked they tap, no reason to resist, if they know there's no escape, you can resist an armbar or choke and get out but with leg locks especially the trapping mechanism (ashi garami, inside outside sankaku) there's no escape and there's danger for ACL surgery.
Maybe just ban leglocks in Judo for beginners - when training that is!
That's a possibility
Recently there's been some discussion regarding 16 year old (Pat Shahgholi) who at a recent Eddie Bravo event just destroyed his opponent's knee. Apparently he's known for having little regard for opponents when using leg locks. I was wondering if we could get your opinion on the matter. Do you think there should be a minimum age to learn heel hooks? Do you think a 16 year old might be too immature to be able to use them? Anything you can think of.
This isn't the original footage. This is a doctor giving his take on the matter. ruclips.net/video/1T26RyNzBDs/видео.html
I’ve seen this, absolutely classless and zero ethics. Not only that he obnoxiously bows to the crowd not even checking on his opponent. If he thinks he’s gonna a career doing this, he’s wrong. No one would fight him in super fights or whatever, not only that someone better than him is gonna seriously hurt him.
First Comment !! Yeahhh
🥇i congratulate you for your endeavour
@@Chadi To be the first comment in your channel is getting harder and harder. That means your channel is growing. Great news, thumbs up.
@@hiskandar Thank 🙏🏻
jesus. Nothing new under the sun!
Esse é o Ju-jtsu ,que claro ,virou o judô aqui eles dificilmente treinam chão ,a maioria já faixa preta passam a treinar o BJJ
And bjj go to judo because they can't throw
@mm11 aqui no RJ ,95 quando comecei no Carson o pessoal da equipe de judô do Flamengo treinavam jiu jitsu lá
O Judo era tao completo qto o Jiu Jitsu, os Gracie tem mto marketing e tal, mas qdo vc olha o currículo do Judô okd school, tava tudo la ja. Até esse jogo de hj em dia, chave de calcanhar pra todo lado, tava tudo la. Mas com o tempo, mais e mais regras vao sendo colocadas, Olimpíada e tal, e transformaram o Judo num TaeKwonDo, uma arte q começou completa e hj nao é nem 20% do q ja foi.
@@donotstalkme verdade ,virou esporte olímpico perde a essência marcial ,treinei Tae Kwon do de 83/95 e fui pro jiu-jitsu ,tive uma lesão seria no joelho e larguei ,fui pro boxe e muaythai
@@marciotanuz7142 Eu peguei a preta de TaeKwonDo nos anos 90, ai migrei pro JiuJitsu e hj sou preta tbem. Treino Muay Thai esporadicamente, mas somando devo ter mais de 10 anos de treino já. O TaeKwonDo foi morto por causa das regras de competição, sem socos no rosto e sem low kicks, não tem como uma arte de striking ser efetiva hoje em dia.