The Disturbing Case of Natalie Bollinger
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Natalie Bollinger was a teen living in Colorado, but she was having a difficult time. A man she had taken pity on, Shawn Schwartz, had begun stalking her. And when Natalie Bollinger vanished, all eyes looked to Shawn. But then a Craigslist post came out...
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I think she deleted it because he responsed. Not because she regretted posting it.
Exactly.
@@loveforeignaccents also missed what these 100+ text messages said.
@@barrymore87 Yeah, wonder if that was ever revealed to the general public.
Excellent observation.
@@barrymore87Bet it was how she wanted to die & if she had a gun.
It’s crazy how the mentally ill homeless man sounds so much more articulate and reasonable than the reporter harassing him
Yeah mental health issues can affect intelligent people too, but it's definitely surprising. I'm shocked the cops didn't just nail him as an easy arrest they almost always do that in high profile cases to get an arrest. Thankfully this moron basically gave himself up, if he'd got a lawyer and never talked they would barely have a case
I’ve hung out with so many homeless people and yeah they’re often intelligent and articulate… they just tend to have disagreements with reality or struggles with addiction often both. Bigger harms to themselves than others, although there are definitely exceptions.
I was just waiting for him to turn around and make fun of her blubbering out her questions.
I totally noticed that too!
What the cops did to him was fuxked up! He was arrested for no real reason, no wonder he fought it, being needlessly institutionalized is a violation of his rights.
"The upbringing in Colorado was a bit rough." Dang, missed opportunity to say rocky.
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ha - good one!
🥁🥁🥁 . . . 🥁
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😂😂😊
9382, i'm Tony from Wheat Ridge Colorado, and your comment is so awesome.
To those calling out the boyfriend for leaving his gun available to her, yes he knew she was suicidal, he also knew she had a scary stalker and she would be home alone.
right? It’s a paradox 😢 I pray this poor girl is at peace in… well… whatever comes next after this life. Heartbreaking
What I think is suspect, is how many intruders come in and murder the victim with the victims gun?! I kind of think it pretty much cruise. The boyfriend did it or somebody that knew them well enough to know there was a gun in that house and where it was at.
@@kristenwallace2001She posted an ad for someone to kill her, it’s logical to assume she gave him the gun. What do you mean? Your comment would make sense if there’s not the victim putting a hit out on themselves & sending 100+ messages to someone that they want to kill them. (including sending her address to him)
Accusing someone with no evidence is what they did to shaun. She wanted to die. She tried to get someone to kill her. You just have to blame a man right? @@kristenwallace2001
@@kristenwallace2001 Bruh conclusion
The way Joseph gets so excited when he starts talking about his "real psycho" role playing character is chilling.
now hes with actual psychos
Nah
I'm really glad that Shawn had a pretty solid alibi, because this could have gone south for him pretty quickly. I honestly hope, if she did arrange for her own hit, that her intention was _not_ to frame him for it.
(I bet Domino's was suuuuuuper pleased that he's wearing their shirt for the interrogation...)
Yeah, Domino's must be real pissed about that. But it's fitting because to call themselves a pizza restaurant is criminal!! 😂
Also explains why it takes so long for delivery if their drivers are having to stop off for interrogations.
If it was another chain they could just combine the two by putting a station inside the restaurant.
Call it Politzza Hut.
Their delivery officers could jump out to fight crime, and the munchies!
@Jay22222 your comment should have way more likes, sir.
I literally got a Domino’s notification while watching this 😐
His other shirt had blood and gun powder residue on it!!!
I wonder if Natalie deleted the post after the killer contacted her in order to prevent the post from being reported to authorities. Still creepy that he saw the post almost immediately.
I was thinking the same thing, she could have just deleted it because she thought she had found someone to do it and therefore didn't need anyone else to respond and in case it was reported.
Exactly. Not save to assume she regretted the post. Should possibly look into the boyfriend more… he doesn’t seem so perfect after hearing that all this happened right after he left for work. If she grew up abused and was abused again by her boyfriend she probably felt like she could never escape it.
I'm going with this too. She would have deleted all evidence of her post. If she couldn't arrange anything with Joseph then she would just post it again. Who knows how many times she had posted that ad?
Why would she care if she left the add up if she wanted guy to kill her,it’s some courage the cowardly dog level creepy that he saw the post that was up for two minutes,I just don’t see her caring if she left the post up especially if she was messed up on black tar.seems she likely took it down cause she changed her mind but the topic of why she did any of this is interesting this “hit man” fellow as well and it’s a deeper dive with the first scraggly bearded guy whom she had protection orders against. She thought he was a threat I guess that’s why she wanted someone to kill her? It’s really confusing would have thought she hired a hit man for the stalker who wouldn’t leave her alone. Idk your probably right
@@cheeseballs9579 Its never safe to assume anything. However deleting after 2 minutes?! Come on. I believe in the end he likely lured her there with drugs. Like the cannibal that ate the willing victim. Perhaps his thought process was much the same?
I think she deleted the message because she got the response she wanted. Considering 111 conversations between them before the murder.
Anyone can delete craiglist posts. You just go one there and press "flag" the post is automatically deleted
@@lisaj.j.2999he showed up to the house. She showed up to the house show she gave him the address. And only she knew where the gun was. She wanted to die
46 years is also extremely excessive for what basically amounts to assisted suicide
@@tims9376I think Thomas Massie only got 10
@@lisaj.j.2999 No, thats reporting it not deleting it. The system keeps track of when and how a post was deleted and showed it was her doing it not an admin
What a sad and tragic mess.
The Dad really pissed me off. Standing there yelling about justice when he's in jail AGAIN. Complaining about the plea deal while he's standing there in prisoner clothes. How much was he there during her life and how much abuse did he put her through? What nerve.
You can’t say his anger about his daughters death isn’t real or justified. I get your point but it’s a different issue.
so? being a criminal doesn’t mean you can’t have empathy and love for your child. he wasn’t up there saying he was a saint, he was up there asking for justice for his daughter’s murder.
He is angry with what happened to his daughter, and probably angry at himself for not being there for her. We all make mistakes he will pay for letting his family down, but he still has a right to want just for his daughter.
Dad needs to do some introspection and take responsibility for his failures as a parent rather than blaming everyone else. Admonishing the Court and the State standing there in stripes. Yikes.
Judging a man after his daughter was murdered is pretty wild
@@aaguilar2018 so what you’re saying is something sad happened to him, therefore he holds no responsibility?
@@aaguilar2018he’s part of the reason she was suicidal
@@aaguilar2018 you’re literally the reason why people don’t get held accountable- he greatly contributed to her mental illness
Almost like he was a key factor in her childhood and upbringing or something weird...@@aaguilar2018
If Nathalie's two-minute deletion is evidence that she didn't want to go through with it, why did she carry on communicating, presumably giving her whereabouts?
Call of the void. The void called back.
Honestly, it makes more sense that she deleted it after she found someone who agreed to do it. So that she wouldn’t get multiple responses or someone reporting it.
I agree completely. She clearly wanted to go through with it or she wouldn't have met him and taken her own gun. That certainly doesn't mean he is innocent but this seems to have been an assisted suicide.
Exactly, he wouldn't know where she was and there wouldn't have been over 100 msgs between them, which she also deleted
She was high and a high brain is a very active brain, when it comes to bringing out your worst.. but she deleted it for sure for the reasons stated by @Liz. Just a sad situation, such a young girl, who knows what sort of mental health dx she had, but she self-medicated and then found the perfect disgusting animal to make an irreversible mistake..
"....classic Italian eatery, Domino's." - That one made me laugh!
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And he was wearing the shirt😅
This definitely threw me for a minute 😅😅
Dominos Trattoria.
"...classic African eatery, KFC." Does this one make you laugh?
This reminds me of the case about the guy that advertised a cannibal service on an Internet website and a guy got in touch with him to volunteer himself to be his victim and he then devoured and ate his flesh and even though it was purely voluntary the guy was still arrested for his murder
Assisted suicide is still illegal so there’s no such thing as volunteering to be a murder victim
thanks, i thought there was something about this before but couldnt remember the case. Good memory on you!
armin mewes
This also reminds of the case where a woman like 30/40s who seeked someone out to fulfill her desire for sex and murder of herself. She spent days talking to a man who agreed to the plan. He was convicted for her death and sexually exploited images of children.
Two cannibals were eating a 🤡. One cannibal says to the other “Does this taste funny to you?”
“Classic Italian eatery Dominos” has to be one of the most sarcastic remarks ever. I love it 😂
haha traditional italian family cuisine
Lol
They do have great pizzas when they're made right.
Domino's is better than that crap they are pushing lmao
I saw comments which said like "oh i'm so glad they did not jail the homeless guy for that " just a reminder that he DID harass her and he DID stalk her. And thats not exactly helpful if youre already suicidal. That poor girl got so much shit from early on even if she just wanted to help. Now we can just hope, she rests in peace🕊
While it's true he did those things, it was due to his own mental health issues. The police quickly ruled him out after they confirmed his solid alibi. They easily could have went the tunnel vision route and zeroed in on him instead of actually investigating like several other cases Mike has covered. That's what people are referring to when they said they're glad he wasn't arrested.
of course. but it would of been an injustice if he was jailed for a murder he did not do
If that boyfriend admitted to the cops right off the bat that she had attempted suicide multiple times, why would he leave his gun where she could get it?
Bit stupid on his part right…
@@reginagilby1101 seems so huh?
He probably thought he was being a good influence in her life and that she would never do such a thing with something of his and while she is in such a good place with their relationship. Blinded by Love
@@mf1936 that made no sense, nor simply answered why you would leave a loaded gun with someone your deeply in love with, whom you know has an extreme drug and suicide issue.
@@DZblazeHow did their answer make no sense ? People do it all the time nobody wants to believe someone they care about would do something like that. Its common just like people who date felons and have guns in the house knowing they cant have them around that person. Just like another case where a crazy ex killed his children because he agreed to turn himself in on his warrant if he could see the kids one last time. The judge let him and he murdered them on the phone with their mother who turned him in on the warrant he was supposed to be turning himself in for. Its just human psychology basically manipulation. These dont have the entire story just a summary im pretty sure there is small details we are not getting that explains that. Look up the case you want to know every detail im sure the police asked him that also.
Remember a YT channel covering this a few years ago. Shawn was in the comments defending himself. Everyone was convinced he was the killer
Poor bastard.
I also remember that actually 🤔
@@bbeen40 No, not "poor bastard", if he wasn't such a creep he wouldn't have been such an obvious culprit.
@@WobblesandBeanhe has some pretty obvious mental health issues. Probably not getting any treatment for it at all.
@@WobblesandBean 1000s of people have met YOU and thought you were a creep too. Humble yourself.
It wasn't just the 2 minutes that killed Natalie, she had 111 chances to change her mind before meeting him.
True. He still should not have killed her though!
And you could have changed your mind about blaming the victim but 🤷♀️
@@chettajohnson5261 what clearlight is correct, I'm not blaming Natalie. Because someone has chances it does not mean fault.
@@chettajohnson5261I don’t see him blaming Natalie, he’s just understanding that her mental health was so bad that even after 111 chances she still wanted to end it, that her mental struggling was so overwhelming and crushing that nothing would change her mind.
He still shouldn't of killed her if he really wanted to help he could of took her to get help instead he chose to kill her instead of reporting the post to the cops or when he picked her up take her to a mental hospital her death is still on him regardless what she posted
The way Lopez is talking to the police like this was a normal occurrence is disturbing and creepy...
The jailbird father getting up there talking about 48 years being a travesty of justice was rich. What a special guy.
Listen my deepest soul irked when he was up there tryna put on a show. He went to the jail library 40 min before his time to shine in court and spewed out some BS 😂
Hey Mike, THANK YOU for not losing your passion for story telling. Most channels lose their interest in what made them interesting to start with. So, JUST THANK YOU.
He’s been doing this for years why would he stop?
I know the original comment is just making crap up begging for likes
@mircat28 no, it's a compliment, to Mike's authenticity and true devotion to his work. So, pretty much what you guys are saying is you've NEVER seen a youtuber who was great the 1st year or two, then slowly started getting bland because they suffered from burnout? Wow, and here I thought it was the most common reason for youtubers to quit. He'll, that one guy developed an AI to start doing his commentary cause he was so tired of doing it himself. But, ya, I don't get paid for lijes, and don't really care if you like my comment. It wasn't for you, I know your arrogance makes you wanna think the world revolves around you, bur, the comment was just a thank you to Mike, and I know this is a blow to your ego, but, it wasn't directed or did it have anything to do with you. And, its only Trolls like yourself that cares about likes. So, have a ni e day, and there's salt at the syore that you can purchase for pounding.
@@isthiswherewecamein6130it's not that deep
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Its sickening how those reporters were treating shawn. 😢
Yes, he sounded quite intelligent the way he spoke to them, I suppose being homeless, when Natalie befriended him it was easy to become infatuated with her, at least he was obeying the protection order.
Drama sells the news, they don't care if he was guilty or not. They clearly want a rise out of him.
@@catherinewilliams3850 Yeah, I thought Shawn handled them very well.
Most of society tends to publicly convict persons of interest before all of the facts are known. It's not like he was just some Joe Blow.
@@catherinewilliams3850 Really? You're justifying his behavior? He's a creep!
"as pleasant as a wet fart" 😂you truly have a way with words! 😂Gotta love Mike!
Have you never heard that saying before?
My brothers called them a “Shart” or would say “oh hell, I sharted”. Thank 🤢 You for clearing that up 🤮
@@trick351 Yup I've always heard it called a shart 😂
I HAD A WET FART EXACTLY WHEN HE SAID THIS
@@frenchy1987noo wet farts and shafts are different things 😂
A wet fart is any fart that sounds meaty and squelchy, like the bubbling of a boiling soup, but typically doesn’t involve actual “matter” coming out lol.
A shart, on the other hand, ALWAYS involved actual 💩 coming out.
It’s heartbreaking when a person feels they have no other recourse for their troubles than to take to the Internet where predators are constantly watching for their opportunity. This is why one should turn to the local network of counselors and mental health. Family is another source of support. There is always someone that can help you beat your troubles. Stay away from the internet for self help. Blessings to you Mike for sharing this tough story. ❤
Lol🤦she didn't turn to Craigslist for mental health support. She went there to die.
"Stay away from the internet for self help" you say. Many years ago I was in a very bad place mentally and felt that I just couldn't open up and tell anyone I knew about it. Not even my siblings or parents. One night I felt I just had to talk to someone, so I started a thread on a forum that's considered quite controversial in my native Sweden, asking for help. Someone almost immediately sent me a PM on the forum and we ended up having a long conversation. That conversation made me comfortable with opening up to my family (which I did the next day). To this day I have no idea who I was talkning to or even the gender of the person (anonymity is very importat on that forum, and we only communicated through PMs), but I will be forever grateful to him or her and now I've been very healthy mentally for years. So the internet isn't all that bad. 🙂
@@napoleonbonerfart278yeah no shit but any well-adjusted person would suggest ways for her to get help not offer to kill her… stop being intentionally obtuse
There is not always a network of support. You have to be lucky enough or proactive enough to have that.
Says someone who's never been in their shoes. Severe and life long mental health issue most often CANNOT be counseled , group hugged, or medicated "away". It's not that simple.
The victim's parents make me sick with their hipocrisy.
I think you'll probably find that Natalie deleted the Craigslist message because she thought she found someone who would do it, not because she may have changed her mind. Also, why is it murder if she asked him to do it? Her father has a nerve to complain about anyone, he wasn't anywhere near Natalie as she grew up.
Woah!!! Are you shaming the dad because he got locked up?? He didn't abandon his kids! He was put in jail! And his daughter died at the hands of this "wet fart". I think he has the right to complain. Sheesh!
Because assisting someone with their death is illegal. You're probably too young to remember Dr. Kevorkian.
Murad Jacob "Jack" Kevorkian (May 26, 1928 - June 3, 2011) was an American pathologist and euthanasia proponent. He publicly championed a terminal patient's right to die by physician-assisted suicide, embodied in his quote, "Dying is not a crime". Kevorkian said that he assisted at least 130 patients to that end. He was convicted of murder in 1999 and was often portrayed in the media with the name of "Dr. Death".
Oddly enough, physician-assisted "medical aid in dying", is now legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington. It is more commonly known as "Death with Dignity."
This is quite different than what happened in this case, however. A patient must be confirmed by two physicians to be terminally ill with a prognosis of 6 months or less to live and must also be confirmed by two physicians to be mentally capable to make medical decisions. I believe in other countries, people who suffer from certain serious mental illnesses are also able to choose this option, in addition to patients who are terminally ill.
It will never be legal to assist someone with their suicide, however, though obviously there is no law against killing one's self, as there is no one to charge for a successful act of such. As far as I know there are no laws that apply to failed suicide attempts in the U.S., either.
@spiderboo464 did he got he got put in jail because by law it was proven he is guilty? If that is the case he " abandoned her" by choice because he chooses to broke the law. You go to jail and your kids are fatherless. He doesn't have to say he "abandoned her" technically" he did.
Her father's lack of presence in her life when she was younger doesn't automatically mean he didn't love her, even back when she was young.
He was _put_ in jail, which generally speaking is not a voluntary decision.
While one can certainly make the argument that a parent partaking in illegal shenanigans which could result in them being separated from their children is poor parenting and bad decision-making - and they'd be 100% correct in that assertion - it also doesn't mean on it's own merit that they don't love said children.
We human beings as a race behave in contradictory ways _constantly_ and often times do so in direct opposition to our own values or beliefs. You are certainly guilty of this at times in your life, even if you think you're not guilty of it or convince yourself you're genuinely not; you still are. So is everyone else - myself included.
We do these things not necessarily because we don't hold or have those values and beliefs (though that's sometimes the case too), but because we're notoriously bad at impulse control and discipline, and we allow various factors and influences to impact the actions we ultimately take even if we know they're wrong or know we'll regret them or know they go against our own will or best-interest.
And while none of that makes taking such actions acceptable or the right thing to do, nor does it excuse one of the consequences of those actions, it _does_ mean that sometimes we take actions that have consequences which seem apathetic or uncaring of someone we actually genuinely care about or love.
A person can love someone and still fail them miserably, unfortunately. That's one of the reasons love is so difficult to manage and be comfortable with, because it is most often those we love who can or do hurt us the most, regardless of whether or not they meant to.
Regardless, gatekeeping someone's pain like this, that is to say dismissing or diminishing their right or desire to see the killer of their loved one be brought to justice and punished for their crimes, is far more ironic and lame than the person you're admonishing. *Especially* considering your entire perspective is based on your own surface level assumptions made with very little or no deeper context beyond that presented to you by a single 3rd party investigator.
You definitely have some growing up to do bud.
@@glow1815 That seems like a very myopic view. Dads and moms make mistakes and bad decisions. That in no way relates to a purposeful abandonment of a child. It also doesn't address whether or not the father tried to reform, make contact with his daughter, was denied contact, etc. Sure, this is the "interwebs" and we can all say whatever we want without much in the way of consequences but sheesh have a little empathy. You have no idea of who the man is, netierh do I.
Natalie was a seriously lost person..
I'm sorry but there's something hilarious about this guy sitting in the interrogation room with a dominos fit on lmaooo
Right I still got that shirt in my closet😂
And he didn’t even bring a pizza for everybody to enjoy well they had a chat 😔
Is it just me or does the sheriff making the statement sound like tigger ? I can’t 🤦
Fit
On 😂😂
Why?
Thank God that the police didn’t just assume it was that Shawn guy and closed the case. ✊ Respect to the department
The pro's and con's of social media can be literally lethal.
its very easy to fall for all the engineers games too
It was likely only "2 minutes" for that post to be online, because, as you stated, he responded within 2 minutes. It was likely going to only be posted until there was a response.
Or it's a set up by the stalker that needed the post to look legit before he deleted it. It probably took longer than 2-minutes for you to post that shitty run-on crap.
@@atonofterribletales7286 Um, no? She clearly posted it due to the events that followed.
@@atonofterribletales7286 No. What you're suggesting is not possible. The post was traced to her device and her account which is how they knew it was hers and the circumstances of its posting and removal. To say nothing of the fact she clearly went along with the whole thing deliberately which also proves it was her posting it
Perhaps she took it down within 2 minutes not out of shame or change of heart, but because someone responded to the ad.. When I sell something on CL and the item is no longer for sale I take the ad down.
Someone just happened to be a hitman and see and respond to that ad in 2 mins time ? Whats the chances of that ? About like a snowballs chance in hell ? One in a million ? Think about it.
@@lindavanocker1841Crazy stuff happens every day.
@@lindavanocker1841 craiglist has 250m monthly users, thats 5,800 every minute
at least 1% of the population are sociopaths/physcopaths, it's probably closer to 5%, thats 58 psychopaths on the site every minute, it's up for 2 minutes, thats 116 psychopaths that could have seen it
think about it 😜
yep, changing her mind is unlikely here
she was looking to put and end to it
her father in court is the biggest piece of shit, he killed her long before lopez did
@lindavanocker1841 but it happened. What's your point?
Whoa. They couldn't get a hold of her family to ask about a plea deal? That tells me a lot about her upbringing and family life. I hope they feel a little responsibility in how her life turned out. (drugs)
Her father was in jail clothes, so I'm wondering if he was locked up when they tried to contact her family?
Look at her dad in the courtroom. Prison garb and all tatted up, prison style. 😢
At first when the camera zoomed onto someone stated down (jail jumpsuit) I thought the Domino's guy grew up real quick in county jail!!. Then I realized it was her Dad 😢. Sure she had issues, looks like it was galloping through this family. This case breaks my heart 💔
Mike, you are getting as good as Netflix on these stories. I've been a subscriber for 3 years. The editing in this video is spot on! Great job, as always. Take care.
The podcast is quickly becoming a favorite. I could listen to Mike and Keith talk about anything. They add lightness to the heavy subject matter that comes up from time to time.
I love the podcast so much, it really takes the sting out of Monday mornings! The chemistry between Mike and Keith comes across so well and makes for great listening 😁
She posted the ad and deleted it. Why did she respond to him? When you get a response to a Craigsliat ad, the title is in the email. She knew why he was emailing her.
She deleted it because he’d replied, I’d say.
@@kimmoran4437 Good point!!
I believe she still wanted someone to do it, and when she got a response felt the post was no longer needed.
Did you ever do a video about the guy who seemed drunk and was interrogated for 10 hours about the killing of his girlfriend before the cop realized he had bullet sounds in his face and realized he was a victim too?
Explore with US did one on that case. Horrible and sad!
Ryan Waller
That was a horrendous story!! Poor guy. His injuries were so gruesome. His behaviour was obviously off. The cops should have been fired for not getting him medical attention asap. They left him in the cop car for an hour or more before they got him to the station, then interrogated him for hours. Poor fucking kid. Tragic.
Yes, Mike has covered that crazy ass one. I felt so bad for the dude.
That interrogation video was soooo frustrating… felt so bad for him
Holy shit, I know Mr. Shan Schwartz, I used to be homeless in Boulder, Colorado like 8 years ago and he was a prominent homeless guy that hung around the homeless service centers.
Dude is seriously fucked up for stalking her like that, but I still feel bad that he was put under accusations of such a heinous crime that he didn't commit.
@@AspireGMD I never spoke to the guy as hes a bit strange like most of the homeless people in Boulder.
Mike, this video is a perfect example of why you’re one of my favorite true crime channels- these cases actually affect you, touch your ❤, and it’s not just some AI voice telling me “just the facts”. Great video- a shame Natalie couldn’t resolve things, may she RIP!
Much love from 🇨🇦💜
Sean and I got talking online on a homeless video, we talked for months and he was always threatening suicide and very needy, and in the end incredibly and surprisingly abusive….if you think reaching out to him will be worthwhile, don’t bother, he gets people all the time and abuses all of them if they don’t meet his very high levels of need , most ungrateful person on earth
Quite a family . The girl didn't stand a chance .
What? How so?
@jasonfisher5811 did I misunderstand the story or did it speak of parental substance abuse and a broken up family ? That's a pretty serious problem to overcome. IMO
@@richdorak1547 Sure, but to say she had no chance is a bit much. Millions of kids grow up in situations like that. If all any of them had to say was my parents were alchoholics and got divorced... well I'll leave it at that. That story is not unique sadly and it doesn't determine the kids chances at a good life. Unfortunately for her, she had life crisis event which was taken advantage of by a killer. Was she predisposed to this because of her tough childhood, no.
@jasonfisher5811 agreed , it's not unique . That's the saddest part . Too many children victimized by their own parent's selfishness. The cycle goes on and on til someone crashes and burns .
@@richdorak1547 I think we agree on many parts of this. I think where we differ might be in the fact that your comments seem to assign a blame and deliberate action on the parents. Sometimes those parents already have their issues long before a child is involved. Sometimes people just f up. I simply don't like assigning blame against them as if they were a boogeyman. They simply have their own issues they haven't been able to address positively going foreward.
I feel like she deleted the post after she got a response to try and hide it all. "Deal with the devil" the dad looks like a neo
Dance with the devil, you cant choose the song .
The court said they tried multiple times to reach the family, and honestly I'm inclined to believe them. Sounds like her entire family was just terrible
Ted is the dad. He's been busted with meth 4 times since natalies death, an illegal firearm, and a 2 state high speed chase with alycia as a passenger. They are gross people
FACTS
Does anyone know why he was in jail
Mike, I can't help but just appreciate your sarcasm 😂😂😂. Love ya
It sounds like Natalie had 0 support at home. Very sad story. RIP Natalie.
The fact she was just a few years younger than me . She had her whole life ahead of her . I understand having a stalker because I’ve had one before . It was so bad that the person literally moved to be closer to me . I did everything in my power to get away . I never turned to social media but I involved the authorities & my family . I’m so sorry this happened to her . Rest in peace .
Mike I just gotta say that you are so loved in our family. You can take a terrible, tragic case and tell it in such a way that doesn't detract from the horror but you convey the information in a story telling vibe. So much easier to identify with the victims and their loved ones. Keep it up and we'll look forward to giving it the next goooo 🤭
If you're going to commit murder, maybe don't carry the evidence in your trunk for 2 months 😂
Are you Shawn Schwartz new gf ??
Right?!?
I mean, maybe a month..at the most.
@@MonTube2006 no. I don't know who that is. I'm sorry.
@@Delicate_Disaster it's the guy from the video ;)
exactly! 1 month tops!
ALMOST 2 MIL MIKE! Its insane to watch how far youve come. Its incredible. Sending all my love and good vibes your way friends!.
Your empathy was strong in this episode
he's going on about her instantly regretting and deleting it within 2 minutes a lot as if he knows thats what happened. Seems FAR more likely, she only deleted it after he responded and told her to delete the thread since they could text instead and best to try and get rid of that initial evidence if possible.
if she "instantly" regretted it, she wouldn't have sent him about 130 texts and told him her address for him to come get her.
also I'd need to see the validity of those timestamps, I order weed on the darknet and the timestamps are always out by a few hours for some reason so I have reasonable doubt about the post only being live for 2 minutes anyway.
As creepy as the Schwartz guy might seem, I think he genuinely cared about her...Definitely didn't kill her. Thanks for another great story, Mike! Snuggling in today with the snow falling outside! I love three day weekends❤😊
He actually pops up in another video on YT that someone put out about Natalie's case. He defends himself and talks about how wonderful Natalie was. It is sad.
Of course he didn't kill her,it literally explains that in the video 🤔
@MrsHouseTakeNewVegas no shit, Sherlock, you're too young to understand inflection, sarcasm, and...just go on about yourself🤣🤣🤣...or just too STUPID...😂😂😂literally, literally, literally...🙄
@@Blitzkrieg1976 aw I see,a weak argument so resort to laughing at your own "joke". Leave some of that negatively behind and your life will get better. Get well soon love ❤️
I think he didn’t mention the drugs use because that was a big part of the death. She had stated she couldn’t go through with suicide, so clearly the act of death was terrifying, she was a heroin user previously, so the opportunity to take a drug where nothing else matters while someone commits the act for you is pretty obvious. The heroin would have done the job, he just shouldn’t have pulled the trigger.
Then that tells us that she wasn't really suicidal.
@@atonofterribletales7286 No it doesn't. Being afraid of dying is hardcoded into humans regardless of how suicidal a person is. The fact she willingly posted the ad and then followed through with it proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that she was in fact suicidal
How very traumatic for her boyfriend, who had no idea about her plan. 😢
Right and to know it was because of him
@@priceandpride No, no, no! In no way was it "because of" her bf.
Her boyfriend and family pushed her to suicide
@@tangogent you are wrong. BTW, she had 2 boyfriends when she died. Joseph merino was the junkie whose gun was used
@@priceandpride Someone always comes along and tries to blame the victim or someone else. You, for example.
It was grossly, criminally irresponsible for Natalie to post any such request on Craigslist.
The boyfriend sounds possessive. “She’s supposed to be waiting on me”
Poor Shawn Schwartz, was harassed by state media, beaten by the pigs and shunned by the community.
Good thing the truth set him free. Kudos to the detectives.
He's not exactly a good guy either tho. He's dangerous
I agree that it's massively unfortunate but if he wasn't a creep to begin with he wouldn't have been targeted so forcefully.
You mean the guy who attacked the police first?
"Poor Shawn"? Dude, the guy is a total creep! Yeah it's good that he didn't go away for a crime he didn't commit, but he's still a POS.
Beaten by the pigs? Who said he was beaten?
It’s difficult to put a hit on yourself- pay before it’s done and you might lose your money (then you’d be not dead and broke) but you can’t pay after the event either….
Really sad she felt this way. Just goes to show depression can affect anyone. She was a beautiful young woman, seemed very sweet and overall loved by all. But she still had major depression. Just because someone is good looking or outgoing doesn’t mean they aren’t sad.
If you've got enough money you might be able to go to a country that supports self-deletion. But I think it takes at least 10 grand. I'm trying to remember which country it was that finally allowed it for mental health, but the first person who acheived it fought for that right for over 5 years before they finally granted it. It would be cheaper to just order the infamous "how to..." book or maybe just buy some fenty and hope it's not an under cover cop, but then you'd still have to do it alone. I bet my comment gets removed. 😅
@@ContactsNfilterseasiest is hydrogen sulfide gas, it kills in seconds and can be made by mixing the right pool chemicals with the right pet shampoo.(I went through a time when I was very depressed and researched this stuff)
@@ContactsNfiltersI’m glad you couldn’t remember the country. I don’t want to know.
@@ContactsNfiltersdon't know of any country that allows euthanasia of someone that has mental issues, plenty of countries allow it if you're in constant pain or have no quality of life and no hope of recovery. Everyone should have the freedom to escape a living hell.
My heart breaks for her mom missing her last phone call 😢
Wtf was she thinking befriending people like that. Take it from someone who used to be homeless-most of us were that way bc we had addiction & mental health issues
The perils of misplaced empathy.
You did watch to the end of the video, right? The homeless guy was not the killer.
Yes, but I think all those years of stalking probably pushed an already mentally fragile girl over the edge. Maybe she would still have placed the ad, maybe not.
@@gilly5094stalking is so scary and stressful for the victim. I’m sure that didn’t help her mental health one bit 😢
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I am sick at home, alone and I Was SOOO much waiting for this since morning.
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I’m sick at home, alone too 😅 feel better!!
Hope you feel better soon! ❤️
Hope you feel better 💐
Getting sick sucks. I hope you feel better.
Ahhh!!! Happy Friday all!
It never ceases to amaze what humans can do to one another…
Incredibly weird story. Imagine the odds of a post seen within 2 mins of posting. Unbelievable!
Just goes to show how many predators lurk those pages.
I was watching a show with Ryan Montgomery an ethical hacker who is trying to take down these creeps. He in real time posted as a 15 year old girl just looking to chat and as he's explaining to the audience what he is doing bam under 46 seconds a guy replied to his message. A creepy middle aged guy just sitting on his computer waiting. That's the scariest part these guys are everywhere just waiting and ready to pounce
And at freaking 630 in the morning!
"Why'd you do it, kid?"
"She asked me to."
"Obliging bastard.... That the only reason you got, kid?"
"They shoot horses, don't they?"
More people shed tears over wishes granted than wishes denied.
😢😮
Is Mike's hair a little more styled today?
Didn't notice until I read this, but yes, it's looking a little more suave than usual.
Lighter & fluffier
@@nerp23you're not as funny as you think.
I don't know why, after all the stories you have covered, I find this one really upsetting. I think that girl had a real sense of hopelessness. It must be awful to feel that alone. To have lived life where you found so little joy, and copious amounts of pain.
1. Suicidal
2. Drug addict
3. BF leaves loaded gun out in the open 🤦♀️
Suicidal,drug addict, with a scary stalker at home alone.
This is so bizarre. Thanks Mike!
Not familiar with how craiglist works, but to me it seems so rare that someone within her vircinity not only happened to see the post, but was also a pyscho willing to do it.
I think I watch too much true crime and read too many RUclips comments because I feel like there's psychos everywhere. 👀
@@ContactsNfiltersThere are.
@deborahwhitehead5414 - There are psychos everywhere. They observe others to find out how to act like they have a conscience and empathy. There are more sociopaths and narcissists, though.
In less than 120 seconds!?? 😮
@@Tammy-ci6yk wrong place, very wrong time. 😢
Craigslist is scary. Evil lurks there.
it's true. my husband's uncle was murdered in cold blood selling a car on Craigslist 😢
You are almost at 2 million!❤❤❤❤❤
12:13 that's what resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer looks like? Ridiculous. They can literally come up with any reason to throw you behind bars.
Oh my god, shut up with the cop hate. Where you there personally to witness everything that happened?
Omg. Never heard of this case, and i have family in Broomfield, CO!
Keep bringing us this content, we love you too! ❤❤❤
I wonder what happened to that guy that was stalking her? He probably had a horrible life afterwards because everybody thought he was the killer. Blaming him for something that he didn't do.
True but he still wouldn't leave her alone hence the restraining order.
Or he probably just found another girl to stalk since that’s what they do
@@JesusChristIsLordoflordsthis fella made a mistake, he got obsessed with a beautiful person that showed him kindness. He was wrong but you've no evidence he did something like this before or after this incident. He seemed to be obeying the court order and know what he did was wrong, his words and actions, by staying in another town, show that.
Ironic that someone with your name would be devoid of empathy and pass judgement on this unfortunate creature.
@@JesusChristIsLordoflords Judge not lest ye be judged
@@chrislong8559he is a vulnerable person who needs a lot of support. He shouldn't have been able to harass her for so long. She is the ultimate victim and it's legit insane that he didn't have more support to prevent it
Watching from Denver now so I’m fully invested in this one
Just good that it wasn't such a gruesome tale. I mean lately, Mike has presented some heriffick crimes.
Such a beautiful, talented, young live. So sad. Do you really think her growing up story was so horrible 😪 that generation has had it pretty 👍
Thanks for sharing! We're all so excited for you!
Same here I'm from Broomfield....
So technically Natalie got what she asked for. She was definitely unwell... Everyone in her life were a bucket of macadamias
Bucket of macadamias?
@@dakotabruce7773Nuts!
@@dakotabruce7773nuts.
@@dakotabruce7773 It means a receptacle of drupes.
@@dakotabruce7773 macadamias are a type of nut
Her parents failed her. Her traumatic childhood lead her to drugs and hiring a killer to end her life. Then the audacity of her horrible father to talk about the devil on the trial... Gosh, I am so angry. If she had a better childhood, nothing of this would have happened. But it is always like this! Horrible parents blaming others. A text-book narcissist!
terrible mother
Damn. Your victim’s father is at sentencing. He’s rightfully very pissed off… and he’s wearing prison stripes too.
Awkward!
Im not victim blaming. But imo Natalie is no victim here, she chose it. She deleted it because he responded, that’s why there was 111 messages between them.
Agreed. I think she suffered from a mix of cluster B personality pathologies, including Borderline and Histrionic from the looks of it. Her pattern of posting everything on Facebook, publicly talking about the homeless guy stalking her, etc.
That doesn't mean the stalking wasn't real, but with the way she talked and doxxed his name out on social media, it seems like an odd way of dealing with a stalker. Did she think it was wise to publicly humiliate him online? How was that going to make him less of a threat to her? Had Shawn also turned out to be psycho like the other Craiglist guy, he would have taken her posts about him as justification/motivation to harm her. I know it's not easy to convince cops to take stalking reports seriously, especially if you have a history of mental health issues or drug abuse. But outing your stalker to the world like that is like literally giving him a dare to do more.
Natalie needed help and love. But, with both of those being in short supply she settled for attention. Initially, ranting about the homeless stalker gave her that. But as is always the case with attention/sympathy, just like it is with drugs.. no amount is ever enough. She moved on from advertising her stalking claims to advertising her suicidal desires. It's like she advertised the most private parts of her life and the darkest of her thoughts, hoping someone out there would reciprocate. And someone did.
This is the most craziest story I’ve heard & I’m shocked I’ve never seen it before as I’m a True Crime Show lover! So sad & it’d be here Birthday next week ❤
Damn man ur almost at 2 mil. Much love
Right?! Remember when he was at like 10k?! What’s crazy is it really wasn’t that long ago!! I love me some Mike ❤
@ThestuffthatSaralikes I remember the first That Chapter video I ever saw. I was like, "Who is this kooky Oirishman!?" 😂 The glasses and loud shirts are gone, but the quality and character are still going strong 👌🏽.
I think I seen him in 2018 at maybe 100k? Can't be for sure but I love his style & miss the conspiracy captain lol
A very, very tragic case.. you are so wonderful Mike, told Nathalies story in a respectful way❤️ I have followed you since your first video and you do a really good work❤
No scam money for you William👎
I don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers. I watch your videos the minute they drop.
Heart wrenching
Your almost at 2 million subscribers I've watched this channel grow since I subscribed.. Good for you, I love your content thanks you.
I got in an argument on YT with the former stalker. He was in the comments in an EWU or RedTreeCrime video about it.
I wouldnt be suprised if he rocks up here as well because he is utterly obsessed with the case still.
He needs serious help IMO or he will end up hurting someone. Or himself.
I remember that, it was crazy watching the guy from the video in the comments picking fights in real time right after it posted. Didn't help his case at all. I'm glad we got some resolution because I don't think that video had all this information yet.
Makes you wonder how many would have done it for her if the post would have been up longer only took two minutes for dude to contact her..that is scary as hell
Why do I keep hearing horrible things about Colorado ever since I moved here?
I don't need a notification for Mike's new posts...I look forward to my Tuesday and Friday eta of That Chapter mini-docs. Thank you big dog!
I love it when murderers say " I pulled the trigger, BUT I closed my eyes". Like that somehow makes them less responsible. It really is amazing how many actually say that thinking it could possibly get them out of trouble.
"I didn't inhale."
Sociopathic astro turfing
Love you Mike! Can’t wait until you hit the big 2M!
I bought a swing from craigslist. The man opened the door and said the box was in his patio. He asked to come in and see if i wanted the swing before brining it through the house. He asked me if i was alone, duh my truck was empty. He then told me how dangerous that was of me to do that. He couId be a killer or rapist. I freaked out and ran out of the house. That was funky but he was right. Still scared the pee out of me.
Was waiting for RUclips to show a domino’s add.
Hi Mike, right on schedule.. Thank you so much for the video. Wishing you a blessed evening! As always love ya all the way from South. Africa...
48 years is extreme for an assisted suicide.
I hope Natalie is at peace now.
Assumptions are THE worst! Isn't it more logical to think that she deleted the post immediately after getting the first reply as to not create a web of people to trace back to her
I remember hearing about this when I lived in the area. Sad case really. Lived in that state for 15 years. Crazy what has happened to it... So many weirdos unfortunately. Also the reporter on the homeless guy had me rolling.
That "..if ya please" right at the end shows what a sweetheart Mike is.
From the looks of Dad, I don't think Natalie had a chance in life, frankly. So very sad, what happened to her.
Yeah, and he had a lot of nerve standing there in prisoner clothes saying the things he said.