which is even stranger knowing that her mother actually got an education in Scotland and was the first consort to have done that if I remember correctly
@@polch8077 Not exactly. She briefly attended two boarding schools in London and passed an Oxford Local Examination but she was primarily educated by governesses at home who taught her music, French, etc.
She was never supposed to be Queen. Besides, matters of state for a king (or queen) had dramatically changed from the times of all-powerful rulers wearing a crown. Elizabeth II, since, has done very well for herself--and her kingdom. :)
Interesting - if this is true, it shows why Elizabeth was so pushy for Charles to go to Wales and be trained to the best. She made sure her son was fully prepared and not left in the lurch like she was.
As if that education helpful for Charles🙄. In fact not just Charles many politicians came from prestigious Universities. But they have made many gaffes. The Queen never had any mistake in her long reign. Never said or did anything inappropriate.
@@m.e.d.7997 It was said she floated through life, never drunk but never sober either. Like Churchill, she always had some alcohol in the bloodstream. Gin and Dubonnet late-morning (the Queen does the same), wine with lunch (She was incredulous when someone tried to refuse wine at her table: "How can you not have wine with your meal?!" and her old servant Billy Tallon, would pour wine through people's fingers shielding their glass) then whisky and port after dinner with her guests at the piano, singing dance hall songs of the 1910s and 1920s. Thankfully, she had someone to do virtually everything for her except smile and wave, from driving (thank God), drawing a bath, washing dishes, ironing clothes, opening windows. The poor dear worked *SO* terribly hard.
Drunk vs having a nice buzz are two different conditions- she was not slurring her words and insightful on where their conversation was going- besides a cocktail prior to dinner or before sleep was quite the norm.
She was saying the truth. That their entire existence hinges on not having feelings. And opinions no matter how they have it. That’s what she went through and what he will have to accept. She could’ve said it better. But you can see her struggle with this in aberfan where she had to be stoic but sensitive and regrets not visiting sooner
There seemed to be an indefinite line of competitive energy between Elizabeth and Phillip on one side and Charles on the other. In addition Charles was pushed towards yucky Dickie Mountbatten. No wonder Charles confided and befriended JSaville and other pedos. I suppose Elizabeth was just as surrounded by moral trash as Charles was. Hope Diana's kids were spared.
Actually I agree with Elizabeth. 500s years beforehand, before it was the norm for women get thorough and advanced educations, queen mary I and queen Elizabeth I were considered the most educated royals in all Europe being tutored in 4 languages by the time they were 10 and also reading works of the humanist movement and yet Eizabeth here barely got any
@@marshacreary2442 yeah just read about either or them.their father Henry viii was considered the most learned prince of his age the only one to write his own works on religiosity he was so impressive that Erasmus himself was impressed when he met him at a young age. He wanted to make sure his daughters were the most educated and so they received top tutors. Based on my recollection Elizabeth knew French English Latin Greek Spanish Italian and Dutch. She even wrote tranlations of works as a teenager for example as a gift to her stepmother she sent a prayer book with french Latin and Greek translations. Mary was not as scholarly but she was just as learned being exceptionally gifted in music and was charged with a court of her own in wales as a teenager before her fathers remarriage
I'm guessing that between her unexpected rise to second in line to the throne in 1937 when her uncle abdicated, the commotion of WWII, and her father's tragic early death, it was something that got overlooked.
But the difference is, Elizabeth I and Mary I were expected to exercise far more power than Elizabeth II, therefore they needed a thorough education. Elizabeth II is nothing more than a figurehead.
@@gaelicreaction1049 well not really. No one expected Mary to inherit the throne her father wanted her to be educated to be a queen consort possibly and Elizabeth was educated in a well manner both because Henry liked having his children learned which was something about him and because her step mother Catherine pare provided a lot for her education
Playing devil's advocate, in the context of _that_ discussion, of the Queen wanting an education, it's most certainly a horrible thing to say. But in other contexts, it could very much be a lifeline of support for your child's identity.
Everybody is forgetting that she was never meant to be queen. Her parents educated her to the appropriate level, not knowing that her uncle would abdicate.
She was ten years old when her uncle abdicated, that's plenty of time for her parents to prepare her for life as a queen regnant, even if her past education was the one of a future housewife
@@TabbyeLynne When he abdicated she was immediately sent to the Vice Provost of Eton for lessons in history and the constitution. She was also taught fluent French as queen of Canada and various African territories. They tried their best.
people seem to forget that if she was a male she would have been extremely well educated. If she was a man she wouldnt be as undereducated as she feels.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. Her education before the abdication was standard for a little girl of her class. Beyond that she was given much more education. What exactly do you think that her education lacked? - without being totally anachronistic.
Her uncle abdicated when she was 10. Most people have to stay in school until they're 16. There was plenty of time for education. But frankly, they're injecting a modern perspective into this scene. The first heir to the British throne who received a university degree is the current Prince of Wales. The royal family is by and large, philistines. That's not meant as a criticism, just an astute observation. The Queen Mother once told the story of when a silly bank clerk came to Windsor during the war years and gave a reading of some silly poem called "The Waste Land." King George VI, the Queen, and the Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret all got the giggles. The "bank clerk" was, of course, T.S. Eliot who won a Nobel Prize for Literature and is considered one of the ablest poets of the Modernist school in literary history. The first British royal to graduate with a university degree was the Queen's cousin, Prince William of Gloucester, who received a BA in history from Magdalene College, Cambridge in *1963* and then studied political science, American history, and business at Stanford as a postgraduate. From age 18 to 22, the future Edward VII attended first the University of Edinburgh then Christ Church, Oxford and Trinity College, Cambridge, where he was tutored in history but he never received a degree. His younger brother Prince Leopold. the Duke of Albany attended Christ Church, Oxford from 1872, where he studied art, modern languages, and science but was awarded an honorary doctorate of civil law in 1876. King George V served on a cadet training ship from the age of 12 with a private tutor, John Neale Dalton, who was a clergyman; his father Edward believed "the Navy is the best training," an heir to the throne could get. From 14, with Dalton and his older brother Prince Albert Victor undertook a tour of South America, the Mediterranean, Egypt, East Africa, South Africa, Australia, and Japan. Though beloved, George V was absolutely NOT an intellectual in any way, shape, manner or form; attempts by Queen Victoria to have him instructed in other languages in Switzerland failed. In 1883, his older brother Albert Victor was sent up to Trinity College, Cambridge with Dalton and other tutors, where he was excused from sitting examinations but he left in 1887 with like his Uncle Leopold, an honourary degree. King Edward VIII was tutored at home in French and German and attended Royal Naval College Osborne for 2 years and then the Royal Naval College Dartmouth. He spent 8 terms at Magdalen College, Oxford but left without any qualifications. King George VI similarly attended Royal Naval College Osborne and Royal Naval College Dartmouth after being privately tutored at home alongside his brother. From 1919 to 1920, he attended Trinity College, Cambridge where he was tutored in history, civics, and economics by R.V. Laurence but he never was particularly intellectual. Their brother, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, attended Eton College but excelled at sports rather than academically, though he enjoyed mathematics. He also attended Trinity College with Prince Albert then Royal Military College Sandhurst. There was no model for the Queen to attend university or even school and there was no need to. As a constitutional monarch, any advice she needs, she can receive. She can see any expert, have access to any paper she wants. Britain doesn't need a university tutor as a Sovereign.
The Queen Mum had this sweet, heroic image but to be honest, she was pretty horrid. The snobbish way she treated Edward and Wallis (yes, I know they had their issues, but she was just as bad), her coldness to her children, her rudeness to Phillip and her meddling in Charles’ relationships was all pretty shitty.
Queen mum had an almost divinity relationship with the British people in the last decades of her life but if the show is to be believed, she made some horrible decisions in her life and root cause of the Charles and Diana debacle threw her interference with Charles and camilla’s relationship in the seventies.
She had more education than just sewing, needlework, poems and the constitution. She speaks extremely good, possibly fluent, French for a start. Having a governess was very normal for her rank in those times.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. I think being bi-lingual is pretty impressive. Many people speak only their own tongue fluently. We know she also took lessons in German. It's true though that Elizabeth's education was limited, which is a shame, and Queen Mary criticized it, but the show is over dramatizing a bit here by not mentioning what she actually did accomplish. 🙂
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. This is definitely perspective. 62 percent of the UK population do not speak a second language at all. 38 percent have some ability to speak at least one other language, but that includes people who just know the basics. The Queen is believed to be fluent, or close to it, in French, that puts her far in advance of most British people.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. Education tends to follow what people need and use. People mocked the 1st Earl of Devon because the poor man hadn't had the chance to learn how to ride a horse. Back then, they thought not knowing horse riding showed a lack of proper education. You live in a country where you need additional languages, and equally importantly, have the chance to practice them. That's not the case in the UK. Even people who do learn languages at school will often never need them, and as a result they'll forget them. I studied algebra at school, I passed my exams, but I never needed it for work, and I no longer remember much of it. On the other hand the subjects I did need for work, or simply enjoyed as hobbies, I not only remember, I've improved on throughout my life. And you add skills as needed. Right now my circumstances have changed, there are skills I never studied that would now be useful to me, so I'll be learning them. So what's considered a "good education" really depends on what each culture needs.
The point was that her education was slightly better than they are depicting here. It was still limited, not disputing that, but they took a little dramatic licence. I think being able to speak French, or indeed any other language, is a good thing.
Books teach you plenty back in Jane Austen’s time but not now. Or practical applications. Samsie Tarly was lucky the book had instructions that worked when he worked on Ser Jorah
I wish people would quit saying that Elizabeth was never meant to become queen. From the very moment she was born in the reign of George V, she was 3rd in line to the throne: after her Uncle David and her father Albert. The ONLY occurrences which could have happened to push her further from the throne would be for her parents to give birth to a boy, or for her Uncle David to have ANY children. As it turned out, neither situation occurred. Her parents gave birth only to one more daughter (The Princess Margaret), and after marriage her Uncle David (later Edward VIII) had no children at all. Even if Edward VIII had been allowed to stay on the throne after marrying Mrs. Simpson, Elizabeth would still have become Queen after Edward VIII died in the 1970s when she was in her 40s. Even her grandfather George V realized this was her likely destiny.
You're absolutely right my friend! King George V knew very well that his son David wasn't going to take the job seriously to see to it's proper duties. He even spoke of it prophetically, "When I'm dead and gone, the boy will ruin himself, this family, and this nation within twelve months." Those words came to past, it took Albert and Elizabeth to stabilize the monarchy to what it is to this day.
They taught u morals... Morals and education are two very different things although ppl always seem to put them together but here's the truth... One can be fully educated but morally dead inside at the same time... Your parents did do what they had in their hands perhaps
I wish my parents Was like that They always force me to study to be something great Where i just want a simple life Not degree but to be a housewife with a nice family husband and few children
@@conserztasfia0078 but what you doing is for your good.. Even if you become housewife you need to study to make your children teach in home also let us assume your husband leaves you and your children.. What will you do?? Your parents should look after you.. Education is really important in today world even if you are housewife
I read that the Queen Mother was quite depressed after her the King’s passing. I think that played a role in her being represented as dismissive, perhaps?
😄 I read that and interpreted that as the Queen reading people for filth to their face. Z-snapping and swerving her neck, dripping with diamonds. 'First of all; one does not come for the Queen wearing that shade of lipstick. Purple is for royalty-not middle management"
No , i do not agree, wha would she have benifited from a so called NORMAL education. She was given a very good education appropirate to her class and backgrownd, she might have mabe been taught a little more but no I think the queeen mum was right.
I was... To the core... Extremely shocked at this.... But later i realized this episode covers something from decades ago.... The importance of education in today's world is something you just dont FORGET as a parent specially
I never see enough praise for Victoria Hamilton in this role. Of all the cast changes from season 2 to 3, the Queen Mother was the most jarring for me. Went from a really interesting figure to almost an extra. I guess they thought her role in the story was basically over so they just hired someone to sit there and act jolly.
The conclusion in end of this season is that after all her mother was right. The sort of education she got was all she needed to perform her functions. Queen Elizabeth ended up dismissing the tutor she hired for herself once she realised this.
I love that the actress Victoria Hamilton playing the queen mother here actually played queen Victoria a few years ago (2001) in an absolute stunning I think BBC Mini-series. The Queen - the sequel 😊
It clearly shows how mothers were in the british royal family. How they brought up themselves. How they carried off themselves. And this went through generations until it was Princess Diana - the most appropriate mother came into the family and all she cared for was how to bring up her children according to their choices and heart and not what the establishment chooses them to be. Never the public nor the future. Bringing yourselves up for future is okay but try to live for today and sometimes let your guard down for what's there with you instead what coming in for you. (just a thought) 🌹✨
The Queen got a good education, she learned about many subjects, maybe not to the University level, but well enough for her background. So I’m nit sure how true this scene is, and I want to say the relationship with her Mother was a little bit more complex than is portrayed. The Crown may be based off of history, but they still have some creative licenses when making the show, it’s important to separate the fact from fiction here.
From what I’ve read her parents didn’t think education was necessary: her mom thought women only needed to be taught how to be wives and her dad hated it and thought he was doing them a favor. Queen Mary did try to teach her granddaughters and took them into London to go to museums and art galleries from time to time.
They would have to explain history to a crowd that doesn't know it. It's easier to "lie." Being in the aristocracy there would be plenty she would learn through conversation. Pet projects about literature, forestry etc. Conversation on history and philosophy. But I can see her feeling stupid in science and math. I can see her not knowing past the math of the Greeks. Not understanding calculus or physiology. But considering popes go to university it is kinda odd Francis is the first to have a degree other than theology.
She did not go to university and has no university degree! How is it not clear?! Whether they were raising her to be Queen or not, how can yo not send your kids to university when you have such a background?!
I hate when you’re talking to your mum about something and she starts saying things like “am a bad mum now??” And it’s like nooo ffs no one said that 🙄
Nothing major but I noticed how Elizabeth sat down on the arm of the chair. MY mother would have had something to say about THAT! In my parent's house you sat on the chair seat or cushion, never on the arm.
I kinda agree with the Queen mum here. In the end, the crown can call upon any numbers of experts for advice and information. But what the crown MUST know is it's constitutional limits/duties and how to be dignified at all times.
Yeah, but if you don't have any clue how to understand that information what's the point. That's the problem the US is having right now. All these people "reading" information and "studies" they've found online, but they have no way of understanding how to interpret that information. They read the info list on vaccines and freak out because of all the big scary words, with no idea of what those words mean or what they do. It's easy to mislead the uneducated.
@@mcaskey358 No one can be an expert at everything. Thats what advisors are for. Now after accurate information is relayed from all sides of an issue, a decision is made. But when political and/or personal benefit outweighs ALL other considerations, thay decision will be scewed and not in the best interest of the country. Only in an absolute dictatorship can personal interest be claimed as exactly the same as national interest.
@@marionarda2790 There is only so many hours in a day. And if she wanted to learn more, she could. But she had 9 years between when she was an adult and when she suddenly became queen. So what was she doing all that time? Well if she wanted an education, she could have had one during that time. But other choices were made. So it is very unfair to place all the blame on her parents. At some point children have to accept responsibility for thier own choices and quit blaming parents.
This could be a scene straight out of The Golden Girls with Dorothy and Sophia 😂 Fun fact: The Golden Girls was one of The Queen Mother’s absolute favorite TV shows
She was the only one of Elizabeth’s children who didn’t go to gordonsteum however, but this was because the school didn’t accept women at the time. When Anne had children, including a daughter, they ended up going.
"That's quite alright, pleb. One might lack in areas such as arithmetic. But the fact that one has more money than one can possibly count, makes it somewhat bearable. It does please us to learn that so many peasants-err-subjects are putting themselves into lifelong student loan debts to obtain the ability to do the counting for me! I myself can never get past 999999967. And I know I have more than that! One just tends to nod off when attempting to count past a billion, don't you agree? Thank you for your servitude and taxes(it's not much; but we'll take it),my loyal educated and penniless servant. Kind Regardz, E.R.
Yep education wasn't trendy among aristocratic women. So as of now Britain has totally uneducated queen (not even a school certificate!) which is "deeply christian" and head of church. Curious. Oh and please no bothering with "university of life", being just a decorative queen, she knows quite a little about real life. Still curious why Britain still needs a monarchy, especially of this quality.
I have never understood the reasoning that Elizabeth was never going to be Queen. From 1936 it was clear that David even if he had remained king when he married Wallis, they were never going to have children, it was suggested at the time a morganastic marriage was possible but any children would not inherit the throne. In 1972 David died and she would have become Queen then assuming her father was dead by then.
They probably thought he would nor marry and leave Wallis as British people loved him and who in their right mind would abdicate for this particular reason and defy the Crown but Edward did not gaf.
From what I read, her mom was old fashioned and believed girls only needed to be taught how to be wives. Meanwhile her dad hated education growing up (queen Victoria actually had a huge curriculum with high expectations for her kids) and thought he was doing them a favor by not burdening them and only teaching the essentials. And they leave it out but queen Mary did try to take her and Margaret into London to go to art galleries and museums from time to time.
I'm not gonna lie, I actually liked this actress as the Queen's mother over the one they got for season 3 and 4. She's seems more down to earth and loving like a mother should be where as the other one (who is not a bad actress by any means) just doesn't have the same feel. It also doesn't help that the two actresses look nothing alike, which makes it hard to believe that they're the same person.
I think they changed the character because it suits the direction of the show. Initially the show was very sympathetic to the Queen and her family. Then when they got into the Diana and adult Charles years they wanted to make it Charles vs his parents and Diana vs the Royals so they made their characters colder. Victoria Hamilton has appeared in a few Jane Austen adaptations so this sort of work would suit her.
@@MsJubjubbird yeah I guess that makes sense but when you go from Foy to Coleman or Smith to Menzies you get a sense like they were are the same person even if they don't necessary look alike. But when they went from Victoria Hamilton to Marion Bailey it just seems like a complete 180. Again I didn't hate Marion Bailey's performance by any means and I think she's a very good actress but the only scene where I got a sense that she seemed like she was playing an older characterization of Victoria Hamilton Queen Mother was in the episode where she's talking to Margaret about the disabled members in the family in season 4 other than that it feels like a completely different character. I also find it odd that all the parental figures in the show were recast except for Churchill who is still played by John Lithgow in the third season.
@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 I think they didn't recast them then Olivia Colman would look as old or older than her own mother. Plus in real life their appearance changed. But I do agree they are very different
@@MsJubjubbird I understand why they recast all the other parental figures on that regard. But then why did they keep Lithgow as Churchill even though it's only one scene ?
@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 Well I guess because it was for only a few scenes max (some may have been cut) so it might not have been worth it and also because he was already old.
There’s so much my parents didn’t teach me and I was overlooked by my brothers. It’s terrible! And I’m profoundly hard of hearing! I should’ve been taught and now I’m an adult and I have to teach myself and it’s cruel! I think it’s worst because of my hearing loss, if I was normal then I probably would’ve not struggled so much but still! What is it with some parents belittling their daughter’s education and whatnot? Disgusting!
if mummy dearest spent less time nursing her blatant alcoholism she might have been better able to prepare her daughter for her future on the throne...
The Queen isn't stupid she may not have the traditional education like reading books and sums but Elizabeth is wise clever because she was taught by her father on how to be a monarch to keep the vow of service which she has done for nearly seven decades is not not being smart I don't know what is
This episode was very good, but historically inaccurate. I recently watched a documentary on Elizabeth and Margaret and it stated that Elizabeth actually received a full education, great for her time, and Margaret recieved basically nothing. So this episode essentially got things backwards.
From what I’ve read Elizabeth was taught by tutors and pretty much just that. Part of that was because she wasn’t supposed to be queen until she was ten and the other part was her parents both didn’t think she really needed that much education: her mom didn’t think women needed it and her father hated school and thought he was doing them a favor. Margaret did receive essentially no education however she even said one of her biggest regrets is she never got to attend school.
Funny how this distant behavior is kinda of a cycle. Elizabeth did the same with Charles, dismissive his artistic expressions because of a old fashion idea about the way a King should act
This makes me think of people who use the TV show The Tudors or movies/books like, The Other Boleyn Girl, or White Queen/White Princess, as references to actual history. The fact is, it is all fan fiction for the real life events, it's not even close to factual. And its sad that people don't know the real history because it was SO much more interesting and tragic.
So wait, her mother tells her that no one wants an “over-educated woman” as sovereign, and then criticizes her for not being a “trail blazer”? Well, which is it that you want, woman?! You can’t have both!
Well it's got nothing to do with each other. She's saying Elizabeth isn't blazing a trail as a mother (as in: think twice before criticizing my methods because yours don't seem very different). She's not talking about education there
Then again her dad thought he was doing them a favor by not burdening them; queen Victoria’s children and grandchildren had huge curriculums; Prince Albert (who became Edward VII) actually did awful under it and got caned.
It’s not about the fact that Elizabeth wasn’t meant to rule at the time of her education. It’s about the fact that this so-called family who are meant to be “divinely appointed” are able to be so uneducated in the ways of philosophy, science, mathematics, and academics. If they’re meant to rule a country, these things would have been important. Obviously not as much anymore, since the monarchy has no actual power. If we went back a few hundred years, the education might have been better, even learning to fight if you were a male. But still, so much needed to have been done to ensure a perfect bloodline but that’s near impossible because that doesn’t exist. The very god they claim to have appointed them would also have been entirely against the idea of royalty.
I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth never wanted to give an interview because she felt she wasn't educated enough to give one. She only knew stuff about horses and dogs.
1. Queen mother is a very well educated and a degree holder. She knows education ,learning and practical advance knowledge can make her daughter very independent , wise and bold . Education has that power . Queen mother wanted to control Queen thats why she gave her daughter a very limited education . 2. But the role heir to the british throne demands wisdom , knowledge, practical knowlege about how to rule protect provide , how to face your problems in a strong and positive way , diplomatic , smart and updated Queen. giving basic simple education to lilibet never make her independent , wise , strong one. 3. By 1936 itself they all know one day she will become queen . 4. But Queen mother didnt want her daughter to go out of control and the way to keep her under control was to make queen believe her mother is wiser , strong then everyone else . 5. Whenever Queen takes a correct decision she broke lilibet self confidence by taunting , scolding , interfering , decision making in both Queens personal and professional life . Queen mother is a perfect narcissist , rude , manipulative person . Didnt bow and curtsy to the queen just to make her daughter believe she is always above all of them . This scene perfectly shows what kind of person queen mother is .she replies indirectly that queen is not wise enough thats why she was taught what she was able to learn . such a narcissist action . In real life too Queen mother was like that thats how she controlled Queen and everyone . Queen at some point realised this and wanted charles to get educated and well trained for the role . I love Lilibet a lot ❤❤❤❤ but this Queen mother is😢😢😢😢😢😢
Cindy Halpern you can be very close with someone and still have an argument with them from time to time. It’s been said by many that Elizabeth regretted not being very well educated. Who else to blame for this than her mother, except her father who at this point in the dramatization was dead?
A bluestocking means an intellectual or literary woman. The word has come to be applied derisively to a woman who affects literary or learned interests. Just shows now aristocratic the Queen Mother was and couldn't see why as Sovereign the Queen would need to be an educated women!
Specially for the mother of a Queen. Elizabeth should have been prepared to best those prime ministers not only because of her position but her intellect.
@@Demaad the '"Queen mother" here is a parent for shit if she seriously think that "nobody told us [to do better than that]" is a good excuse. And she seems to be very-very offended by someone pointing her she fucked up in bringing her daughters up. "Don't force it if it doesn't come naturally dear" - shitties excuse I've ever heard.
@@brianfordhamm2740 It should have ring a bell the moment she saw she could not have more children and her husband got the throne, therefore the heir would have been Elizabeth and it was both their duty to give England a prepared monarch not just a pretty face with lovely manners.
My parents were wedded to education, likely bc my mother was a teacher. She very nearly received a PhD. I realize now that as a person who similarly appreciates education & is fairly self reflective and introspective, I would have made a terrible monarch. Lol
What the queen mum tells her daughter applies to ALL of us. We all,are products of our upbringing. So are our parents. And yes, sometimes parents fall short. But it's not as if there is a parenting manual for every child in the world in any given situation. How do you raise a queen to be who was supposed to be a lady? At some point, you have to accept that while you certainly have the right to feel aggrieved over what you might have missed in childhood, at some point you just have to deal with it and not put the blame on your parents. It's unfair: They did what they could and now it's up to you. So Lillibet; instead of complaining to mama, just get yourself educated if you feel you need to; You are a grown woman. This is why this series is so good. It's largely fictional so it makes 'what being a royal might be like' much more relatable.
@@roddo1955 You seem to be defending the mother on this issue. I defend Elizabeth. She had every right to question the mother on her education. The parent was ignorant here of the importance of an education as heir to the Throne. Interestingly, Elizabeth Bowes Lyon GOT an Education!
@@m.e.d.7997 I can't help it if you see it as me defending the queen mother. I am not. Maybe read my post again with complete neutrality? We are ALL products of our upbringing. That is no excuse. It's fact. And you can't always point fingers. I did make clear that Elizabeth has every right to feel aggrieved. You just accept it and then you move on. It is tough. And that has been acted so well in this clip. You are not disagreeing with me; you merely missed the point I was making. That's ok.🙂
She received what was considered to be a perfectly adequate education for someone of her status and for the time. She was going to be the Queen. The Queen doesn't need to know to to do complicated mathematics, or physics, or world history, or whatever... she just needed to know how to be a Queen. She was tutored in constitutional history by someone from Eton, which was considered necessary as she was to be a constitutional monarch, and she learned French and German, as languages would have been considered important. Aside from that, as said here, she was taught to "be a lady". So, etiquette and manners and all that, likely how to play the piano, etc. I found an article online from 1943 that talks at great length about the education of Princess Elizabeth and comparing it very favourably to the last Queen, Victoria, and with other girls her own age of the time, and has the quote: *"It is enough that she should acquire a working knowledge of the history and constitutional practice of her country, and that her character should develop a quiet strength that can be drawn on as need arises... a training that has never threatened to dim the freshness or mar the simplicity of her girlhood."* There was, in practically everyone's opinion at the time, absolutely no need for her to have any other education.
It always bothered me how dismissive her mother was towards Elizabeth’s feelings in this scene.
which is even stranger knowing that her mother actually got an education in Scotland and was the first consort to have done that if I remember correctly
@@polch8077 Not exactly. She briefly attended two boarding schools in London and passed an Oxford Local Examination but she was primarily educated by governesses at home who taught her music, French, etc.
I think we forget that this was a different time.
I read the Queen Mother shut a lot out. She ignored problems, including the problems Margaret was having with Peter Townsend in the fifties.
She was never supposed to be Queen. Besides, matters of state for a king (or queen) had dramatically changed from the times of all-powerful rulers wearing a crown.
Elizabeth II, since, has done very well for herself--and her kingdom. :)
Interesting - if this is true, it shows why Elizabeth was so pushy for Charles to go to Wales and be trained to the best. She made sure her son was fully prepared and not left in the lurch like she was.
As if that education helpful for Charles🙄. In fact not just Charles many politicians came from prestigious Universities. But they have made many gaffes. The Queen never had any mistake in her long reign. Never said or did anything inappropriate.
xxwhispersxx lol i’m sure his 70+ years of training will leave him full prepared for his maybe 5-10 years on the throne
@@stefanellasizzarettia8417 nah he will just sit on them for months
He went to Cambridge. He had one term in Wales to learn the language.
@@ri8255 in your opinion. Many people admire Charles. Your view, like mine, is just one.
Love how the queen mum is obviously drunk in this scene 😂
She like da cocktail. Most all of them did but I think these scenes took liberties and embellished her drinking. I never heard she was drunk.
Pond Punya she was a big gin drinker
@@m.e.d.7997 It was said she floated through life, never drunk but never sober either. Like Churchill, she always had some alcohol in the bloodstream. Gin and Dubonnet late-morning (the Queen does the same), wine with lunch (She was incredulous when someone tried to refuse wine at her table: "How can you not have wine with your meal?!" and her old servant Billy Tallon, would pour wine through people's fingers shielding their glass) then whisky and port after dinner with her guests at the piano, singing dance hall songs of the 1910s and 1920s. Thankfully, she had someone to do virtually everything for her except smile and wave, from driving (thank God), drawing a bath, washing dishes, ironing clothes, opening windows. The poor dear worked *SO* terribly hard.
Drunk vs having a nice buzz are two different conditions- she was not slurring her words and insightful on where their conversation was going- besides a cocktail prior to dinner or before sleep was quite the norm.
@@smokinhabanas ah yes the obligatory know it all comment. How refreshing.
It crazy how Elizabeth is just as dismissive to Charles’ feelings in season 3.
Sedd Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
Came to say this.
She was saying the truth. That their entire existence hinges on not having feelings. And opinions no matter how they have it. That’s what she went through and what he will have to accept. She could’ve said it better. But you can see her struggle with this in aberfan where she had to be stoic but sensitive and regrets not visiting sooner
There seemed to be an indefinite line of competitive energy between Elizabeth and Phillip on one side and Charles on the other. In addition Charles was pushed towards yucky Dickie Mountbatten. No wonder Charles confided and befriended JSaville and other pedos. I suppose Elizabeth was just as surrounded by moral trash as Charles was. Hope Diana's kids were spared.
Yes.
When your advisers tell you that your daughter who will be a future monarch doesn't need any education, something is up
Yo, I think the adviser is sus
So they could be better controlled in matters of state. It was the same with Queen Victoria.
Right it wasn’t like she was already 16 or in her 20s, when her uncle abdicated, she was 11. Still time to turn her education around.
@@jellyfishi_ As If the Saudi Monarchs who did not have education were kind
She wasn’t supposed to be the future monarch, simple as that. That was her uncle.
Actually I agree with Elizabeth. 500s years beforehand, before it was the norm for women get thorough and advanced educations, queen mary I and queen Elizabeth I were considered the most educated royals in all Europe being tutored in 4 languages by the time they were 10 and also reading works of the humanist movement and yet Eizabeth here barely got any
Really?
@@marshacreary2442 yeah just read about either or them.their father Henry viii was considered the most learned prince of his age the only one to write his own works on religiosity he was so impressive that Erasmus himself was impressed when he met him at a young age. He wanted to make sure his daughters were the most educated and so they received top tutors. Based on my recollection Elizabeth knew French English Latin Greek Spanish Italian and Dutch. She even wrote tranlations of works as a teenager for example as a gift to her stepmother she sent a prayer book with french Latin and Greek translations. Mary was not as scholarly but she was just as learned being exceptionally gifted in music and was charged with a court of her own in wales as a teenager before her fathers remarriage
I'm guessing that between her unexpected rise to second in line to the throne in 1937 when her uncle abdicated, the commotion of WWII, and her father's tragic early death, it was something that got overlooked.
But the difference is, Elizabeth I and Mary I were expected to exercise far more power than Elizabeth II, therefore they needed a thorough education. Elizabeth II is nothing more than a figurehead.
@@gaelicreaction1049 well not really. No one expected Mary to inherit the throne her father wanted her to be educated to be a queen consort possibly and Elizabeth was educated in a well manner both because Henry liked having his children learned which was something about him and because her step mother Catherine pare provided a lot for her education
“You received an entirrrrrrely appropriate education for a woman of your background” Victoria Hamilton delivered that amazingly
She is a fantastic actress
"Don't force something that doesn't come naturally, dear." What a horrible thing for a parent to say!
Playing devil's advocate, in the context of _that_ discussion, of the Queen wanting an education, it's most certainly a horrible thing to say. But in other contexts, it could very much be a lifeline of support for your child's identity.
Sounds like something my parents would say and my grandfather!
Everybody is forgetting that she was never meant to be queen. Her parents educated her to the appropriate level, not knowing that her uncle would abdicate.
She was ten years old when her uncle abdicated, that's plenty of time for her parents to prepare her for life as a queen regnant, even if her past education was the one of a future housewife
@@TabbyeLynne When he abdicated she was immediately sent to the Vice Provost of Eton for lessons in history and the constitution. She was also taught fluent French as queen of Canada and various African territories. They tried their best.
people seem to forget that if she was a male she would have been extremely well educated. If she was a man she wouldnt be as undereducated as she feels.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. Her education before the abdication was standard for a little girl of her class. Beyond that she was given much more education. What exactly do you think that her education lacked? - without being totally anachronistic.
Her uncle abdicated when she was 10. Most people have to stay in school until they're 16. There was plenty of time for education. But frankly, they're injecting a modern perspective into this scene. The first heir to the British throne who received a university degree is the current Prince of Wales. The royal family is by and large, philistines. That's not meant as a criticism, just an astute observation. The Queen Mother once told the story of when a silly bank clerk came to Windsor during the war years and gave a reading of some silly poem called "The Waste Land." King George VI, the Queen, and the Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret all got the giggles. The "bank clerk" was, of course, T.S. Eliot who won a Nobel Prize for Literature and is considered one of the ablest poets of the Modernist school in literary history. The first British royal to graduate with a university degree was the Queen's cousin, Prince William of Gloucester, who received a BA in history from Magdalene College, Cambridge in *1963* and then studied political science, American history, and business at Stanford as a postgraduate.
From age 18 to 22, the future Edward VII attended first the University of Edinburgh then Christ Church, Oxford and Trinity College, Cambridge, where he was tutored in history but he never received a degree. His younger brother Prince Leopold. the Duke of Albany attended Christ Church, Oxford from 1872, where he studied art, modern languages, and science but was awarded an honorary doctorate of civil law in 1876.
King George V served on a cadet training ship from the age of 12 with a private tutor, John Neale Dalton, who was a clergyman; his father Edward believed "the Navy is the best training," an heir to the throne could get. From 14, with Dalton and his older brother Prince Albert Victor undertook a tour of South America, the Mediterranean, Egypt, East Africa, South Africa, Australia, and Japan. Though beloved, George V was absolutely NOT an intellectual in any way, shape, manner or form; attempts by Queen Victoria to have him instructed in other languages in Switzerland failed. In 1883, his older brother Albert Victor was sent up to Trinity College, Cambridge with Dalton and other tutors, where he was excused from sitting examinations but he left in 1887 with like his Uncle Leopold, an honourary degree.
King Edward VIII was tutored at home in French and German and attended Royal Naval College Osborne for 2 years and then the Royal Naval College Dartmouth. He spent 8 terms at Magdalen College, Oxford but left without any qualifications.
King George VI similarly attended Royal Naval College Osborne and Royal Naval College Dartmouth after being privately tutored at home alongside his brother. From 1919 to 1920, he attended Trinity College, Cambridge where he was tutored in history, civics, and economics by R.V. Laurence but he never was particularly intellectual.
Their brother, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, attended Eton College but excelled at sports rather than academically, though he enjoyed mathematics. He also attended Trinity College with Prince Albert then Royal Military College Sandhurst.
There was no model for the Queen to attend university or even school and there was no need to. As a constitutional monarch, any advice she needs, she can receive. She can see any expert, have access to any paper she wants. Britain doesn't need a university tutor as a Sovereign.
0:35 - Notice how she can't keep eye contact when she says that line. She knows that Elizabeth didn't get educated properly.
It also seems that Queen Mother is drunk 😅
So did I! It was quite telling, her gestures in that moment.
It also seems that this is just a fiction.
The Queen Mum had this sweet, heroic image but to be honest, she was pretty horrid. The snobbish way she treated Edward and Wallis (yes, I know they had their issues, but she was just as bad), her coldness to her children, her rudeness to Phillip and her meddling in Charles’ relationships was all pretty shitty.
I heard someone say Charles was her favorite (makes sense)
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 yes i've read that charles was closest to her than his mother so him as her fave grandchild wouldnt be surprising
Queen mum had an almost divinity relationship with the British people in the last decades of her life but if the show is to be believed, she made some horrible decisions in her life and root cause of the Charles and Diana debacle threw her interference with Charles and camilla’s relationship in the seventies.
I am sorry, but are you really expecting her to treat her brother in law well after he effectively, in her mind, killed his own brother.
@@henryford2950 thats rich coming from you.
The actress who plays Queen Mother is so good!!
Victoria Hamilton... yes she's so good in that role!!
@@priscilafm8090 the voice and mannerisms, WOW!!
She had more education than just sewing, needlework, poems and the constitution. She speaks extremely good, possibly fluent, French for a start. Having a governess was very normal for her rank in those times.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. I think being bi-lingual is pretty impressive. Many people speak only their own tongue fluently. We know she also took lessons in German. It's true though that Elizabeth's education was limited, which is a shame, and Queen Mary criticized it, but the show is over dramatizing a bit here by not mentioning what she actually did accomplish. 🙂
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. This is definitely perspective. 62 percent of the UK population do not speak a second language at all. 38 percent have some ability to speak at least one other language, but that includes people who just know the basics. The Queen is believed to be fluent, or close to it, in French, that puts her far in advance of most British people.
@Tina Yael Severinovna M. Education tends to follow what people need and use. People mocked the 1st Earl of Devon because the poor man hadn't had the chance to learn how to ride a horse. Back then, they thought not knowing horse riding showed a lack of proper education. You live in a country where you need additional languages, and equally importantly, have the chance to practice them. That's not the case in the UK. Even people who do learn languages at school will often never need them, and as a result they'll forget them. I studied algebra at school, I passed my exams, but I never needed it for work, and I no longer remember much of it. On the other hand the subjects I did need for work, or simply enjoyed as hobbies, I not only remember, I've improved on throughout my life. And you add skills as needed. Right now my circumstances have changed, there are skills I never studied that would now be useful to me, so I'll be learning them. So what's considered a "good education" really depends on what each culture needs.
Since when is speaking French a good thing? Or even the standard to base all intellectually capacity?
The point was that her education was slightly better than they are depicting here. It was still limited, not disputing that, but they took a little dramatic licence. I think being able to speak French, or indeed any other language, is a good thing.
Talking about not receiving a proper education in a room full of books. That's neat.
Farhan M lmfao trie
Books teach you plenty back in Jane Austen’s time but not now. Or practical applications. Samsie Tarly was lucky the book had instructions that worked when he worked on Ser Jorah
O.M.G I never even noticed that! Well spotted.
@@jellyfishi_ I think it's more to do with the symbolism.
@@KoiYakultGreenTea Samsie? You mean Samwell
“We all have to accept our limitations in life...” 1:51 as the Queen Mother walks off to enjoy her drink in peace. Lol 😂
I wish people would quit saying that Elizabeth was never meant to become queen. From the very moment she was born in the reign of George V, she was 3rd in line to the throne: after her Uncle David and her father Albert. The ONLY occurrences which could have happened to push her further from the throne would be for her parents to give birth to a boy, or for her Uncle David to have ANY children. As it turned out, neither situation occurred. Her parents gave birth only to one more daughter (The Princess Margaret), and after marriage her Uncle David (later Edward VIII) had no children at all. Even if Edward VIII had been allowed to stay on the throne after marrying Mrs. Simpson, Elizabeth would still have become Queen after Edward VIII died in the 1970s when she was in her 40s. Even her grandfather George V realized this was her likely destiny.
You're absolutely right my friend! King George V knew very well that his son David wasn't going to take the job seriously to see to it's proper duties. He even spoke of it prophetically, "When I'm dead and gone, the boy will ruin himself, this family, and this nation within twelve months." Those words came to past, it took Albert and Elizabeth to stabilize the monarchy to what it is to this day.
"What do you want? A degree?"
🤣😂😅
Why...yes mummy I do as a matter of fact. Elizabeth, probably
My parents did the same to me! They taught me how to say “please and thank you” but I haven’t the faintest idea how to balance a checkbook
They taught u morals... Morals and education are two very different things although ppl always seem to put them together but here's the truth... One can be fully educated but morally dead inside at the same time... Your parents did do what they had in their hands perhaps
You went to school. She didnt.
Your parents educated you as they saw fit. Why didn't they push harder? No one said that they should. And that includes the Vice Provost.
😂
I wish my parents
Was like that
They always force me to study to be something great
Where i just want a simple life
Not degree but to be a housewife with a nice family husband and few children
@@conserztasfia0078 but what you doing is for your good.. Even if you become housewife you need to study to make your children teach in home also let us assume your husband leaves you and your children.. What will you do?? Your parents should look after you.. Education is really important in today world even if you are housewife
I read that the Queen Mother was quite depressed after her the King’s passing. I think that played a role in her being represented as dismissive, perhaps?
She was also extremely intelligent. To me, she could read people in a sense to understand them and how to deal with them. She was also shrewd.
😄 I read that and interpreted that as the Queen reading people for filth to their face. Z-snapping and swerving her neck, dripping with diamonds. 'First of all; one does not come for the Queen wearing that shade of lipstick. Purple is for royalty-not middle management"
@@roddo1955 well you're not far off but I meant, she could figure people out or she studied their personalities. So she'd know how to deal with them.
@@roddo1955 😂😂😂 you made me laugh.
@@visionarylady7128 oh you were very clear! I was just being silly😉
0:30 "mummy." So cute between two queens
This is sad and truly bad parenting.. the moment they knew that Elizabeth was to be queen, that is when her schooling should have been vampt up..
It was though
It was, but only in regards to the constitution and protocol as Sovereign.
No , i do not agree, wha would she have benifited from a so called NORMAL education. She was given a very good education appropirate to her class and backgrownd, she might have mabe been taught a little more but no I think the queeen mum was right.
I was... To the core... Extremely shocked at this.... But later i realized this episode covers something from decades ago.... The importance of education in today's world is something you just dont FORGET as a parent specially
This is probably my favourite scene of all the episodes...
The Queen is intellectually curious and has access to the finest minds in the world, I'm sure she knows a great deal now.
I never see enough praise for Victoria Hamilton in this role. Of all the cast changes from season 2 to 3, the Queen Mother was the most jarring for me. Went from a really interesting figure to almost an extra. I guess they thought her role in the story was basically over so they just hired someone to sit there and act jolly.
Victoria Hamilton did an Amazing Job playing as The Queen Mother
I love how the Queen mother called Elizabeth out on her own shortcomings as a mother.
The conclusion in end of this season is that after all her mother was right. The sort of education she got was all she needed to perform her functions. Queen Elizabeth ended up dismissing the tutor she hired for herself once she realised this.
I loved all of the crown shows ...
I love that the actress Victoria Hamilton playing the queen mother here actually played queen Victoria a few years ago (2001) in an absolute stunning I think BBC Mini-series. The Queen - the sequel 😊
The Queen is educated enough to fill out the complicated Times crossword puzzle in ink.
Sorry Ma'am. You don't have a degree but you're far more clever than most of us.
It clearly shows how mothers were in the british royal family. How they brought up themselves. How they carried off themselves. And this went through generations until it was Princess Diana - the most appropriate mother came into the family and all she cared for was how to bring up her children according to their choices and heart and not what the establishment chooses them to be. Never the public nor the future. Bringing yourselves up for future is okay but try to live for today and sometimes let your guard down for what's there with you instead what coming in for you.
(just a thought) 🌹✨
indignation, manipulation and emotional blackmail like any toxic mother
Daughter coming in all hot and spicy while mamma is just trying to enjoy her 2nd or 5th nightcap
Queen Mama pissed on gin
The Queen got a good education, she learned about many subjects, maybe not to the University level, but well enough for her background. So I’m nit sure how true this scene is, and I want to say the relationship with her Mother was a little bit more complex than is portrayed. The Crown may be based off of history, but they still have some creative licenses when making the show, it’s important to separate the fact from fiction here.
From what I’ve read her parents didn’t think education was necessary: her mom thought women only needed to be taught how to be wives and her dad hated it and thought he was doing them a favor.
Queen Mary did try to teach her granddaughters and took them into London to go to museums and art galleries from time to time.
They would have to explain history to a crowd that doesn't know it. It's easier to "lie." Being in the aristocracy there would be plenty she would learn through conversation. Pet projects about literature, forestry etc. Conversation on history and philosophy. But I can see her feeling stupid in science and math. I can see her not knowing past the math of the Greeks. Not understanding calculus or physiology. But considering popes go to university it is kinda odd Francis is the first to have a degree other than theology.
She did not go to university and has no university degree! How is it not clear?! Whether they were raising her to be Queen or not, how can yo not send your kids to university when you have such a background?!
Hilarious how different the Queen Mother is from season 2 to 3. It's like they gave her a lobotomy
I agree.. They got the Queen Mother completely wrong in seasons 3 and 4.
I agree.. They got the Queen Mother completely wrong in seasons 3 and 4.
The Queen Mum was little more than a Drunken version of Hyacinth Bucket. She never understood what it was to be Royal much less tutor a queen.
I hate when you’re talking to your mum about something and she starts saying things like “am a bad mum now??” And it’s like nooo ffs no one said that 🙄
Nothing major but I noticed how Elizabeth sat down on the arm of the chair. MY mother would have had something to say about THAT! In my parent's house you sat on the chair seat or cushion, never on the arm.
I kinda agree with the Queen mum here. In the end, the crown can call upon any numbers of experts for advice and information. But what the crown MUST know is it's constitutional limits/duties and how to be dignified at all times.
Yeah, but if you don't have any clue how to understand that information what's the point. That's the problem the US is having right now. All these people "reading" information and "studies" they've found online, but they have no way of understanding how to interpret that information. They read the info list on vaccines and freak out because of all the big scary words, with no idea of what those words mean or what they do. It's easy to mislead the uneducated.
@@mcaskey358 No one can be an expert at everything. Thats what advisors are for. Now after accurate information is relayed from all sides of an issue, a decision is made. But when political and/or personal benefit outweighs ALL other considerations, thay decision will be scewed and not in the best interest of the country. Only in an absolute dictatorship can personal interest be claimed as exactly the same as national interest.
Knowledge is not a fridge. It is bottomless . She needed to know constitution laws but could have been taught a lot more
@@marionarda2790 There is only so many hours in a day. And if she wanted to learn more, she could. But she had 9 years between when she was an adult and when she suddenly became queen. So what was she doing all that time? Well if she wanted an education, she could have had one during that time. But other choices were made. So it is very unfair to place all the blame on her parents. At some point children have to accept responsibility for thier own choices and quit blaming parents.
@@robertmoore6149 At 11 it IS the parents responsibility
This could be a scene straight out of The Golden Girls with Dorothy and Sophia 😂 Fun fact: The Golden Girls was one of The Queen Mother’s absolute favorite TV shows
And actresses playing golden girls even acted out some of their most famous scenes for the Queen Mother herself in one of the theaters in London.
And this is why all her kids got a good education, even Princess Anne
She was the only one of Elizabeth’s children who didn’t go to gordonsteum however, but this was because the school didn’t accept women at the time. When Anne had children, including a daughter, they ended up going.
Nice to know us commoners are better educated than royalty. At least we have something. Sorry Maam
"That's quite alright, pleb. One might lack in areas such as arithmetic. But the fact that one has more money than one can possibly count, makes it somewhat bearable. It does please us to learn that so many peasants-err-subjects are putting themselves into lifelong student loan debts to obtain the ability to do the counting for me! I myself can never get past 999999967. And I know I have more than that! One just tends to nod off when attempting to count past a billion, don't you agree?
Thank you for your servitude and taxes(it's not much; but we'll take it),my loyal educated and penniless servant.
Kind Regardz,
E.R.
Well, they do now.
But starting from Prince Charles the royals are well educated person
She is far greater at doing job than some educated people. She has special qualities that truly actually matters.
@@roddo1955 I love this, where is it from?
The Queen Mother was right about her daughter's parenting skills
"Is this a criticism of my motherhood?" LOVE IT
Queen Elizabeth should have been educated more than they provided her.
Yep education wasn't trendy among aristocratic women. So as of now Britain has totally uneducated queen (not even a school certificate!) which is "deeply christian" and head of church. Curious. Oh and please no bothering with "university of life", being just a decorative queen, she knows quite a little about real life. Still curious why Britain still needs a monarchy, especially of this quality.
Two things that should be taught early : money matters and love matters.
I have never understood the reasoning that Elizabeth was never going to be Queen. From 1936 it was clear that David even if he had remained king when he married Wallis, they were never going to have children, it was suggested at the time a morganastic marriage was possible but any children would not inherit the throne. In 1972 David died and she would have become Queen then assuming her father was dead by then.
They probably thought he would nor marry and leave Wallis as British people loved him and who in their right mind would abdicate for this particular reason and defy the Crown but Edward did not gaf.
From what I read, her mom was old fashioned and believed girls only needed to be taught how to be wives. Meanwhile her dad hated education growing up (queen Victoria actually had a huge curriculum with high expectations for her kids) and thought he was doing them a favor by not burdening them and only teaching the essentials.
And they leave it out but queen Mary did try to take her and Margaret into London to go to art galleries and museums from time to time.
They knew she was gong to be queen from the age of 10, so they should have taught her more than needlework.
I'm not gonna lie, I actually liked this actress as the Queen's mother over the one they got for season 3 and 4. She's seems more down to earth and loving like a mother should be where as the other one (who is not a bad actress by any means) just doesn't have the same feel. It also doesn't help that the two actresses look nothing alike, which makes it hard to believe that they're the same person.
I think they changed the character because it suits the direction of the show. Initially the show was very sympathetic to the Queen and her family. Then when they got into the Diana and adult Charles years they wanted to make it Charles vs his parents and Diana vs the Royals so they made their characters colder. Victoria Hamilton has appeared in a few Jane Austen adaptations so this sort of work would suit her.
@@MsJubjubbird yeah I guess that makes sense but when you go from Foy to Coleman or Smith to Menzies you get a sense like they were are the same person even if they don't necessary look alike. But when they went from Victoria Hamilton to Marion Bailey it just seems like a complete 180. Again I didn't hate Marion Bailey's performance by any means and I think she's a very good actress but the only scene where I got a sense that she seemed like she was playing an older characterization of Victoria Hamilton Queen Mother was in the episode where she's talking to Margaret about the disabled members in the family in season 4 other than that it feels like a completely different character. I also find it odd that all the parental figures in the show were recast except for Churchill who is still played by John Lithgow in the third season.
@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 I think they didn't recast them then Olivia Colman would look as old or older than her own mother. Plus in real life their appearance changed. But I do agree they are very different
@@MsJubjubbird I understand why they recast all the other parental figures on that regard. But then why did they keep Lithgow as Churchill even though it's only one scene ?
@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 Well I guess because it was for only a few scenes max (some may have been cut) so it might not have been worth it and also because he was already old.
Well, well, well....
Granny's got into the Veritaserum, hasn't she?! 😏😏😏
There’s so much my parents didn’t teach me and I was overlooked by my brothers. It’s terrible! And I’m profoundly hard of hearing! I should’ve been taught and now I’m an adult and I have to teach myself and it’s cruel! I think it’s worst because of my hearing loss, if I was normal then I probably would’ve not struggled so much but still! What is it with some parents belittling their daughter’s education and whatnot? Disgusting!
if mummy dearest spent less time nursing her blatant alcoholism she might have been better able to prepare her daughter for her future on the throne...
0:46 best part for me
She's the queen. She could hire a tutor.
Well she did, didn't she
She did in season 2.
@@bigboy6191 He was a cool dude
The Queen isn't stupid she may not have the traditional education like reading books and sums but Elizabeth is wise clever because she was taught by her father on how to be a monarch to keep the vow of service which she has done for nearly seven decades is not not being smart I don't know what is
This episode was very good, but historically inaccurate. I recently watched a documentary on Elizabeth and Margaret and it stated that Elizabeth actually received a full education, great for her time, and Margaret recieved basically nothing. So this episode essentially got things backwards.
From what I’ve read Elizabeth was taught by tutors and pretty much just that. Part of that was because she wasn’t supposed to be queen until she was ten and the other part was her parents both didn’t think she really needed that much education: her mom didn’t think women needed it and her father hated school and thought he was doing them a favor.
Margaret did receive essentially no education however she even said one of her biggest regrets is she never got to attend school.
Funny how this distant behavior is kinda of a cycle. Elizabeth did the same with Charles, dismissive his artistic expressions because of a old fashion idea about the way a King should act
:49 so much for the 'philosopher kings'
I need you all to realise that this is not a documentary. It's not factual. We don't know what the queen was taught.
The only education monarchs gave was to keep their throne at any cost.
This makes me think of people who use the TV show The Tudors or movies/books like, The Other Boleyn Girl, or White Queen/White Princess, as references to actual history. The fact is, it is all fan fiction for the real life events, it's not even close to factual. And its sad that people don't know the real history because it was SO much more interesting and tragic.
1:23 never take on your mummy! LOLZ
The queen mother and Charles. The two more contemptible persons in this show.
And Camilla
So wait, her mother tells her that no one wants an “over-educated woman” as sovereign, and then criticizes her for not being a “trail blazer”? Well, which is it that you want, woman?! You can’t have both!
Well it's got nothing to do with each other. She's saying Elizabeth isn't blazing a trail as a mother (as in: think twice before criticizing my methods because yours don't seem very different). She's not talking about education there
It’s true, Elizabeth shouldn’t be blaming her mother/father. That was standard protocol. I assume they’ve adjusted in recent years lol
Then again her dad thought he was doing them a favor by not burdening them; queen Victoria’s children and grandchildren had huge curriculums; Prince Albert (who became Edward VII) actually did awful under it and got caned.
"- We educated you to be a decorative lady, darling. - But I was to be the british monarch ! - Yes, exactly."
Well formal education or not, her vocabulary is impeccable. If I must say so myself.😉😁
It’s not about the fact that Elizabeth wasn’t meant to rule at the time of her education. It’s about the fact that this so-called family who are meant to be “divinely appointed” are able to be so uneducated in the ways of philosophy, science, mathematics, and academics. If they’re meant to rule a country, these things would have been important. Obviously not as much anymore, since the monarchy has no actual power. If we went back a few hundred years, the education might have been better, even learning to fight if you were a male. But still, so much needed to have been done to ensure a perfect bloodline but that’s near impossible because that doesn’t exist. The very god they claim to have appointed them would also have been entirely against the idea of royalty.
Now I see why Charles kinda has similar behavior... Because Queen Elizabeth mom I won't say she is a bad mom but wasn't the best...
"What has this to do with me?"
I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth never wanted to give an interview because she felt she wasn't educated enough to give one. She only knew stuff about horses and dogs.
1. Queen mother is a very well educated and a degree holder. She knows education ,learning and practical advance knowledge can make her daughter very independent , wise and bold . Education has that power . Queen mother wanted to control Queen thats why she gave her daughter a very limited education .
2. But the role heir to the british throne demands wisdom , knowledge, practical knowlege about how to rule protect provide , how to face your problems in a strong and positive way , diplomatic , smart and updated Queen. giving basic simple education to lilibet never make her independent , wise , strong one.
3. By 1936 itself they all know one day she will become queen .
4. But Queen mother didnt want her daughter to go out of control and the way to keep her under control was to make queen believe her mother is wiser , strong then everyone else .
5. Whenever Queen takes a correct decision she broke lilibet self confidence by taunting , scolding , interfering , decision making in both Queens personal and professional life . Queen mother is a perfect narcissist , rude , manipulative person . Didnt bow and curtsy to the queen just to make her daughter believe she is always above all of them .
This scene perfectly shows what kind of person queen mother is .she replies indirectly that queen is not wise enough thats why she was taught what she was able to learn . such a narcissist action . In real life too Queen mother was like that thats how she controlled Queen and everyone .
Queen at some point realised this and wanted charles to get educated and well trained for the role .
I love Lilibet a lot ❤❤❤❤ but this Queen mother is😢😢😢😢😢😢
she ain't got no learnin'
This is not based in truth.
She was home schooled in many subjects and she was very close especially with her Mum.
Cindy Halpern you can be very close with someone and still have an argument with them from time to time. It’s been said by many that Elizabeth regretted not being very well educated. Who else to blame for this than her mother, except her father who at this point in the dramatization was dead?
@@graphiquejack her dad thought he was doing them a favor because he hated school.
Even if she never became Queen, the education described is Victorian in scope.
I wish more women understood and would just accept this simple fact...
They knew Elizabeth would eventually become the sovereign when she was 10 years old. Plenty of time to course correct and prepare her. They failed.
Does anyone know what show the Queen Mother is watching?
A bluestocking means an intellectual or literary woman. The word has come to be applied derisively to a woman who affects literary or learned interests. Just shows now aristocratic the Queen Mother was and couldn't see why as Sovereign the Queen would need to be an educated women!
The alcohol kicks in towards the end when she starts comforting Elizabeth 🤣🤣🤣
You would think they can afford the best advisers. Alas.
She's not a good mother
Logizzle According to the times they lived in back then, She can be considered as a good parent
Specially for the mother of a Queen. Elizabeth should have been prepared to best those prime ministers not only because of her position but her intellect.
@@Demaad the '"Queen mother" here is a parent for shit if she seriously think that "nobody told us [to do better than that]" is a good excuse. And she seems to be very-very offended by someone pointing her she fucked up in bringing her daughters up. "Don't force it if it doesn't come naturally dear" - shitties excuse I've ever heard.
@@paolaa.calderonsanchez4666 No way. If you're not taking part at something, you can't be a fully-fledged expert in this area.
@@brianfordhamm2740 It should have ring a bell the moment she saw she could not have more children and her husband got the throne, therefore the heir would have been Elizabeth and it was both their duty to give England a prepared monarch not just a pretty face with lovely manners.
My parents were wedded to education, likely bc my mother was a teacher. She very nearly received a PhD. I realize now that as a person who similarly appreciates education & is fairly self reflective and introspective, I would have made a terrible monarch. Lol
What is the Queen Mother watching on TV here?
Nice shoes for the queen. Brand? anyone?
this show painted that "Cookie" in the worst manner. She has been the most despicable character since season 1 'till the 4th...
If you can read you can educate yourself. Read a book.
If the Queen wanted to she could have hired a private tutor in secret… but did she if this was actually true?!
I and my mama!
What the queen mum tells her daughter applies to ALL of us. We all,are products of our upbringing. So are our parents. And yes, sometimes parents fall short. But it's not as if there is a parenting manual for every child in the world in any given situation. How do you raise a queen to be who was supposed to be a lady? At some point, you have to accept that while you certainly have the right to feel aggrieved over what you might have missed in childhood, at some point you just have to deal with it and not put the blame on your parents. It's unfair: They did what they could and now it's up to you. So Lillibet; instead of complaining to mama, just get yourself educated if you feel you need to; You are a grown woman.
This is why this series is so good. It's largely fictional so it makes 'what being a royal might be like' much more relatable.
Disagree. Elizabeth was right
@@m.e.d.7997 I didn't say she was wrong for feeling the way she feels. So what are you disagreeing with, exactly?
@@roddo1955 You seem to be defending the mother on this issue. I defend Elizabeth. She had every right to question the mother on her education. The parent was ignorant here of the importance of an education as heir to the Throne. Interestingly, Elizabeth Bowes Lyon GOT an Education!
@@m.e.d.7997 I can't help it if you see it as me defending the queen mother. I am not. Maybe read my post again with complete neutrality? We are ALL products of our upbringing. That is no excuse. It's fact. And you can't always point fingers. I did make clear that Elizabeth has every right to feel aggrieved. You just accept it and then you move on. It is tough. And that has been acted so well in this clip. You are not disagreeing with me; you merely missed the point I was making. That's ok.🙂
There are books on how to parent.
Her parents prepared her for being princess not a queen.
She talking like Andrew rate and fresh and fit lol.
She received what was considered to be a perfectly adequate education for someone of her status and for the time. She was going to be the Queen. The Queen doesn't need to know to to do complicated mathematics, or physics, or world history, or whatever... she just needed to know how to be a Queen.
She was tutored in constitutional history by someone from Eton, which was considered necessary as she was to be a constitutional monarch, and she learned French and German, as languages would have been considered important. Aside from that, as said here, she was taught to "be a lady". So, etiquette and manners and all that, likely how to play the piano, etc.
I found an article online from 1943 that talks at great length about the education of Princess Elizabeth and comparing it very favourably to the last Queen, Victoria, and with other girls her own age of the time, and has the quote: *"It is enough that she should acquire a working knowledge of the history and constitutional practice of her country, and that her character should develop a quiet strength that can be drawn on as need arises... a training that has never threatened to dim the freshness or mar the simplicity of her girlhood."*
There was, in practically everyone's opinion at the time, absolutely no need for her to have any other education.
Except how embarrassing it would be to be unable to converse with the types of people she would meet as part of her role in a rapidly changing world.
I hardly see you bLaZiNg trail in that department
Normal education was worth in the last century but not anymore