Same. Queen Mary met the nurse on her level and recognized that following court manners is, truly, only a dance for those who know the steps. I love how she smirked slightly when she called the nurse, "Sister".
of course we know the interaction took place.... were you there when it happened? how do you know that she was a nice woman? she might have been vile.?
Perhaps because Elizabeth won't say anything but the nurse will give her a lecture. (Which might be even more annoying than constantly being asked how she is.)
not furniture lol but she Wass a cleptomaniac and loved requesting to have other peoples things given to her. People were afriad to tell the queen no and wanted to make an impression so if they saw her harping about an item they'd gift it to her. It got so bad they opted to stop leaving their nicest glasses, plates, cutlery, etc out when she visited@@Duquedecastro
@@Miabia1000 Well, you’d have to take that up with her biographers, as that’s what was said in a documentary. I think it was a tea table and chairs! (Could have been dining room) All I remember is that she wanted it and wouldn’t leave without it!
Its incredible to think that in her life Queen Elizabeth knew people like Queen Mary who knew Queen Victoria, and she also knew Prince George who may well still be around 90 years from now!
Here's hoping Prince William never takes the throne. Here's hoping it ends with Charles III. Harry & Meghan were right to leave that mess behind. Abolish the monarchy.
I liked this scene, not because of her talk of the monarchy and God, but because of her kindness to the nurse. She was not haughty in the least and talked to the nurse as if to a friend.
This is nothing like the real Queen Mary she was a stern up tight character who wouldn't talk to a common nurse like a friend, also she didn't smoke cigarettes, ever!
@@lj1865 I just googled it, because I'm too curious of a person, and all the articles I read states she did smoke. Archives of papers from 100+ years such as The New York times (from 1930) and Daily Express mentioned it back then. The ever! was quite a bold statement. Also in this clip Queen Mary didn't talk to her "as a friend", I have no idea why people think so. More like a teacher, and yes I imagine Queen Mary would have talked just like that, but I don't know, I wasn't there.
@@missJolie85 You are correct about the smoking, i know george v was a harsh disciplinarian so naturally assumed he wouldn't let his wife smoke... mary's "friends" hidden there favourite possessions when she visited there homes because if she saw something she liked she would insist on taking it, this is her supposed friends we are talking about! i hardly think she would talk to a common nurse like that, i wasn't there either but i really don't think she would be like that
@Deutschie She co-created the original series with Jean Marsh who played Rose, but didn't apoear in it. But in the reboot she played Lady Holland in 3 episodes.
@@gaurav8910 Do you agree with Queen Mary's assessment or Prince Philip? Since I am an American I believe in secular rule, but the irony is that the UK does it better than the US. And being an atheist, not that there's anything wrong with that, I tend to agree with Philip. But hard to disagree with Queen Mary in the way she says it.
I too am an American atheist but I am also an anglophile, not that there's anything wrong with that. So here is the paradox. UK on paper is not secular, as the monarch is also the head of the Church of England, the official religion. The American Constitution defines our country as secular (separation of church and state), however try running for office in 99% of the country on an atheist platform, and you will be attacked. The UK is much more secular than the US. I respect and like Queen Mary, but I do not agree with her assessment. She came from a period in which religion played a greater role than more modern times. Meanwhile in Malaysia, Article 3(1) of the Malaysian Constitution explicitly states that Islam is the religion of the Federation, and Article 160(2) defines a "Malay" as a person who professes the religion of Islam. And if you are not "Malay" you are not eligible for many of the state benefits.
I love this scene: the humanity and sense of humor of Queen Mary. She was an important figure in the Life of Queen Elizabeth II: grandmather, continuity whith the pasta (and the figure of her father George VI) and a truster advisor, with Churchill, in early years of reign
humanity? of a woman who let the family of her husband's cousins die in great pain, probably in revenge because her first fiancé was in love with Alexandra, and who took their jewellery for herself and her children? It's very easy to be kind to those who are obviously "below".
Queen Mary has a reputation (deserved or not, I don’t know) for being extremely acquisitive and materialistic. She allegedly used her position and influence to persuade people to gift expensive items (jewelry, artwork, and furniture) from their homes and collections to her. Later on she became a kleptomaniac and just started taking things she wanted.
@@Emma88178 her children STARVED from neglect - one almost died because she didn’t care enough to notice the nanny was a half-blind drunk. One of her children lived in isolation, hidden away and dying alone - because he had epilepsy. Her son George VI attributed his stammer and intestinal problems to child abuse. She allowed her husband to emotionally torture her children because “he is the sovereign”. She was a thief. She had kleptomania. That’s what they call jt when you’re rich. If you’re poor, you just go to prison. She was truly a vile human being.
Without question, Queen Mary (played by Eileen Atkins) was one of my favourite characters in The Crown. Her humour and no nonsense way of viewing the world, I think it was an inspiration to her granddaughter The Queen.
Technically, Queen Mary would have had the right to have termed herself as 'Queen Mother' after George V's death with the accessions of both Edward VIII and George VI (and she would have had the right to have termed herself as 'Queen Grandmother' with Elizabeth II's accession). However, due to wanting to provide an example of stability and continuity, she insisted that she be termed only 'Queen Mary' and nothing more.
@wardarcade7452 : No, Queen Mary would have had the title " King Mother " not " Queen Mother " because she was the mother of two reigning Kings not a reigning Queen . However, I do agree with you about the title " Queen Grandmother ".
@@herondelatorre4023 No/ There's no such thing as 'King Mother'. What the title Queen Mother means is that the bearer not only had been queen consort [ or wife of a king] but also had been the mother of a monarch regardless of the monarch's gender.
@@wardarcade7452 No, I've read that a mother of a reigning king can have the option of a choosing a specific title for herself once she is no longer Queen Consort but instead the mother of a reigning king. So in theory that mother could be called " King Mother ".
No. She would have been Dowager Queen Mary. The title “Queen Mother” was used because both mother and daughter were named Elizabeth. Therefore: Elizabeth, Queen Mother. It was a way to differentiate them.
It's a variant on what Tvtropes calls an "as you know, Bob..." conversation. It's here to allow a bit of exposition (and humour) the writers were unable to fit anywhere else. In reality, when George VI died in early 1952 the papers/radio/news reels switched from calling his widow (Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) "the Queen" to "the Queen Mother" practically the same day. This scene is set roughly a year later. In real life, Mary wouldn't bother with such a lecture at this point, she'd rightly assume everyone around her was familiar with and using the correct titles. She would would more likely tick the nurse off for not referring to Elizabeth II as "Her Majesty the Queen..." at the start of the conversation.
@@seanwebb605 Sorry, you've misunderstood. When the nurse refers to Elizabeth II as "thuh Queen", she's pronouncing "the" correctly: it's usually pronounced that way before a word that starts with a consonant, such as "Queen". When Mary replies "ah, THEE Queen", she's not correcting the nurse's pronunciation, she means "the [actual] Queen" - not herself or the Queen Mother. There can only be one actual Queen of the UK at any one time; Mary and the Queen Mother are out of courtesy still called "queen" but they are no longer real queens; the only queen is...THE Queen. In other words, it's the spoken equivalent of writing "the" in capital letters, as I just did, or putting it in bold or italics. It's a standard feature of the English language, a feature we all use when speaking English: whether we realise it or not!
@@DukeofDarkCorners Sorry, you've misunderstood. There was an emphasis on The to convey importance. Of course there are real queens even if there are multiple queens. They simply aren't monarchs or the current consort.
@@seanwebb605 No, again that's incorrect. One would never introduce the Queen as "THEE Queen", and Mary would have never expected such a thing. She said it solely to indicate she recognised the nurse meant "the actual Queen", "the Queen who isn't the Queen Mother".
No need to say Queen "consort" because it was a woman married to a KING. It's different (or used to be) when a man is married to a QUEEN, than when a woman is married to a KING. Phillip was never king. Prince Albert was never king when married to Queen Victoria. It's the custom to just say QUEEN FIRST NAME to a woman married to a KING. Elizabeth II was queen "in her own right."
@jdstep97 Actually, there is a difference. Are they both still queens at the end of the day? Yes, but Queen elizabeth II and George V and George VI were given the red boxes with government papers, and it only needed their sign off. Did you ever think to wonder why Queen Victoria husband Albert or even Prince Phillip weren't ever given king consort titles? It has been done in British history. Mary Tudor forced it through parliament for her husband. Being married to a monarch and inheritance right to the crown are two different things. There was talk for the longest time that they were going to force Camilla to stay a Dutchess thanks to the scars she carries. But Elizabeth II gave her consent that Camilla be given "Queen consort"
After Queen Mary drag the hell out of Philip family history, All the concern swipe away and Queen Elizabeth finally put a smile on her face, I love it. "its Church of England dear, not Denmark or Greece" lol
That's part of it. ER II was deeply impacted by the abdication of her favorite uncle, ER VIII. She about 10 at the time. And was tutored by the example of her father, GR VI, as well as in the Constitution by teachers from Eton. It wasn't much, but ER II has made the most of it.
I like the breakdown. But the nurse literally says "the queen is here" and Mary asks which one. Then explains how young Elizabeth is The Queen. The the nurse goes "the queen is here." Like... she got it right the first time😂
Just listen to this conversation once again attentively and you will hear the difference. The first time the nurse says "thuh" Queen. Then after the explanation of Her Majesty she says "thee" Queen. The difference is in pronunciation. "Thee" adds emphasis.
@@Kotyk_Murkotyk No. When the nurse refers to Elizabeth II as "thuh Queen", she's pronouncing "the" correctly, and Mary wasn't suggesting otherwise: it's usually pronounced that way before a word that starts with a consonant, such as "Queen". When Mary replies "ah, THEE Queen", she's not correcting the nurse's pronunciation, she means "the [reigning] Queen" - not herself or the Queen Mother. There can only be one woman referred to as "the Queen" of the UK at any one time, and that's the monarch or the wife of the monarch; Mary and the Queen Mother are out of courtesy each still called "a queen" but they are no longer "the queen"; the only queen is...THE Queen. In other words, it's the spoken equivalent of writing "the" in capital letters, as I just did, or putting it in bold or italics. It's a standard feature of the English language, a feature we all use when speaking English: whether we realise it or not!
Dame Eileen Atkins is a master class in acting everytime she appears. This scene opening reminds me of when she plays in Agatha Christie's 'Marple' in 'Towards Zero' as Lady Tressilian. The Character is also bedridden and appears much the same as she does here, in bed, smoking, (Ironically) as they both are dying of lung disease. I love Dame Eileen Atkins and the often 'unlovable' characters she plays!
3:47 Her speech is Ironic since Denmark has a much longer monarchical history than the UK. Not to mention Greece had a church before Britain. In Denmark, the monarchy goes back to the legendary kings before the 10th century. Anglo-centrism is never ending. (Not to mention the fact that she is looking down on the elected Greek royal family, when her own father, the Duke of Teck, had no inheritance or wealth and carried the lower royal style of Serene Highness because his parents' marriage was *morganatic*).
Depends how far you go back, with a few side steps here and there, the British Monarch can trace back to the Scots Kings from 848 and 871 for a more United England with Alfred when before that there were more tribal Kings. a few hundred years after Denmark to be fair. But considering this series is about the monarchy of the UK, of course with will be Anglo centric.
@@DazzaS83 Well if we use sidesteps the Spanish monarch (as well as myself) could trace to Visigothic kings from the 4th century as well as multiple Roman ceasars, in addition to the Celtiberian kings. This could probably be endless! And I understand it’s a show based on the British monarchy, but Anglocentrism is not confined to that genre. Not at all.
Queen Elizabeth stayed " the queen" till her death. Such a legend. I love monarchy even though modern society deemed them obsolete. I believe in some parts of this series Elizabeth uttered that the monarchy acts a a moral compass against the parliament which covers government efficiency. Something to that effect
Very good script writing. She answered Elizabeth's question. Mary took it to its highest meaning, significance, value, PURPOSE. If you believe a 'role" a position etc is a calling from God.....that should color your every act and thought. It gives meaning to the least important thing you do. So, Queen Mary's thoughts passed on the "Thee" Queen are profound advice. Something Mary had to have thought about deeply. So, I say, this is a well thought out part of the script. It is known that Elizabeth II regarded her life as a calling. A duty. One the ended only with her death. What an enormous burden that COULD be. But ACCEPTING it would turn the burden into a life full of purpose.....and therefore the possibility of a life of Joy. I think Elizabeth has all the right attitudes at age 25 . And surely her depth of understanding what her life was meant to be and convey and project....certainly her thoughts about that grew, and deepened as she lived out each day. I do not hesitate to say This is the stuff of holiness. Not my place to call her Saint Elizabeth II. Not my place But any thinking person should conclude that she lived her life with belief, confidence and dedication.
I never watched The Crown, but recently I’ve been watching a lot of 5 minute excerpts from the show and every single one of them has been incredibly impressive. The costumes, the settings, the lighting are perfection. Then there’s the casting which is beyond sublime and finally there’s the script….this is just so, so good at bringing plausibility to conversations that may never have taken place, but are necessary for dramatic and narrative purposes, and it just crackles along with the poise of those for whom it was meant to represent. It goes without saying that very shortly I will never be able to say “I haven’t seen it” again, and that I’m in for an absolute treat.
I find this scene strange. Queen Mary was born a princess of Teck which was a morganatic branch of the Royal House of Wurttembürg. I don't see her critisising the beginnings of the Royal House of Denmark, and Greece (Prince Philip's familiy), and Norway, that is the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, an offshot of the far older Oldenburg dynasty, as it is a far older family than she was born into herself. As a woman who saw monarchy as ordained by God, she would not have critisised the others. Especially when she came from a lesser lineage.
There were many scenes in the series written for dramatic effect in a way that none of the real people being portrayed would ever truly speak. Since the series centers around Elizabeth, the writers needed to romanticize and glorify her ancestry. And as well written/acted this scene may be, the notion that the royals were chosen above all by God is rather grotesque. British monarchs are anointed by a church of their own creation.
I think part of it is the irony of QM expressing the same attitude that monarchy is ordained by god that got so many of her royal ancestors and relations killed or knocked off their thrones
Don't forget that Mary was also descended from the British royal family herself. She was a great-granddaughter of George III. Her mother was a first cousin of Queen Victoria. Their fathers were brothers.
I loved this scene. I remembered the story that, in her illness, she bolted at the maid that was leaving the room: "I'm not dead yet!" The maid had just forgotten to bow before turning her back and leaving her presence.
That this show could throw an actor of Dame Eileen Atkins' stature and power into a small supporting role testifies to the bottomless bench strength of Britain's acting roster.
This interaction was done for the benefit of an American audience. Every citizen of the UK at that time would have known the difference between the Queen Regnant and Queens Consort.
The Queen Mother was known to be playful with her staff. And there is a apocryphal line she uttered when calling her staff for a gin and tonic (it was always reported that this was her favorite drink from as far back as I've been aware of her, which is over 70 years), and she told her gay staff, "Would one of you old queens bring THIS old queen a gin and tonic, please." I liked everything Queen Mary said in this segment except when she told Queen Elizabeth that the monarchy gives ordinary people something to strive for in their "wretched lives." Not the nicest thing to say about the Queen's subjects.
I personally recognize that take in my Mother - yes, yes, which one? and all that - who had the formidable jaundiced view of all comers. She was a Sphinx to an arrogant son, rest her fabulous soul!👋
If anyone is interested, Japan is the worlds oldest monarchy, dating back to 660 AD. "Emperor" is a european word that most closely equates to the Japanese word "Tenno", meaning "ruler from heaven".
I unfortunately understand Queen Mary beliefs regarding Prince Philip. She just wanted to think of him in a negative way. The British royal family really down played or just did not know his genealogy then. Philip wasn't really Greek by heritage, but it was given to his family to rule like it could be done then. The Danish monarchy is one of the oldest in the world. So, his fathers family wasn't a backwater monarchy. Queen Victoria was indeed Prince Philip's great great-grandmother.
This scene is fictional. In real life the British royal family was perfectly aware of Philip's genealogy. It's not true that the King and Queen did not like Philip, they actually liked him very much - don't forget, they had known him since he was a little boy. The King's objections were mainly that he felt the Greek throne was not stable enough (and you have to admit, he had a point there) and that Elizabeth was too young (only 20) and moreover she was marrying the first and only boyfriend she'd ever had. But, as the King said ruefully to Churchill - "Elizabeth is in love, no more to be said."
In the crown we saw her as Queen Elizabeth's grandmother. She was wife of King George V (reigned from 1911 - 1936) She probably has met Queen Victoria as young wife to the young prince George (married in 1892), son on the prince of Wales (later King Edward VII). She has probably met all the great crowned heads of Europe (Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, Romanovs) and she witnessed their downfall's As Queen she has seen world war, revolution the 20s, the great depression and as Queen mother (mother of King George VI saw fascism and world war 2)
Eileen Atkins was great as Queen Mary Coincidentally, the late Maggie Smith also played George V's consort in 'All the King's Men' with David Jason (1999) - a powerful drama about the Gallipoli campaign
It's called the "Divine Rights of the Kings". It's the divine ordination that the Kings are anointed, crowned and through their family the Almighty God protects the nation from the Satan. It's not uncommon that everyone tries to identify oneself with the royal family and seldom so with the politicians of their nation. That's because they don't seem to be comfortable identifying themselves with someone who may change probably with every change of the government. The Monarchy vouchsafes them stability and endurance which the politicians with limited terms may not guarantee them. The longest reign of late Queen Elizabeth II is one such beautiful instance of the British Monarchy protecting the Faith in the Almighty God in the UK and all the Commonwealth Countries in the World. Probably, for that reason Queen Mary had reminded the Queen that it's the Monarchy of England not just a Monarchy of Denmark or Monarchy of Greece which is the Supreme.
Since I am not European I can only say British people love Queen Elizabeth II ,she was an honorable and loyal lady who understood the changing times when she was Queen ,she maybe the reason why there’s a monarchy in the UK still.
There are three Christian institutions: Roman Catholic church, Greek Orthodox, and the Church of England. France and Germany lost its monarchy due to the revolution and wars.
@IndependentConversations Russian language is close to Greek language. Roman Catholic (Latin), Greek Orthodox (Greek), and the Church of England (English). Besides, Russia (similar to France and Germany) lost its monarchy by the communist revolution.
Queen Mary was kinda right though about the monarchy being God's representative on earth. Biblically speaking, God chose David as King of the Jews to represent Him
No she’s not. The majority of them are burning in hell. They’re genocidal colonizers. The Bible never said kings and queens are his representatives lol.
When my mother was alive in 2022, we rejoiced in the legacy of this Queen Mary! My Mom and I remembered that this beautiful woman was “Queen Mary of Teck!” My Mom was a Mary as well and a descendant of the Norman King of 1066AD!
"Its not death by lung disease, its death by bad conversation." - Best quote ever
I loved that too!
So relatable.
The interaction that Queen Mary has with her nurse is one of my favorite dialogues in the entire series
Same. Queen Mary met the nurse on her level and recognized that following court manners is, truly, only a dance for those who know the steps. I love how she smirked slightly when she called the nurse, "Sister".
@@silvermillennial That's so well put! Agreed!
of course we know the interaction took place.... were you there when it happened? how do you know that she was a nice woman? she might have been vile.?
@@silvermillennialThis scene was so elegant and grand. She was superb as Mary.
I have to agree - so warm.
gotta love how queen mary just casually lights up in front of the queen of england but rushes to stub the cigarette when the nurse enters lol
Because her partner in crime.. is of course the nurse, who could tell her doctor…
And Queen Elizabeth may be THE queen, but she also Queen Mary's granddaughter, and was so first long before she wore the crown.
@@Vejur9000 Exactly, and because of this, even to a Queen, the Nurse represented an authority figure. Funny sometimes the human mind :)
@@viixy364
Well said!
Perhaps because Elizabeth won't say anything but the nurse will give her a lecture. (Which might be even more annoying than constantly being asked how she is.)
"Then let her in, sister" ❤
Queen Mary always struck me as someone that you never cross. She is a person who doesn't take any kind of crap from anyone.
She also basically stole furniture from people
not furniture lol but she Wass a cleptomaniac and loved requesting to have other peoples things given to her. People were afriad to tell the queen no and wanted to make an impression so if they saw her harping about an item they'd gift it to her. It got so bad they opted to stop leaving their nicest glasses, plates, cutlery, etc out when she visited@@Duquedecastro
@@Miabia1000 Well, you’d have to take that up with her biographers, as that’s what was said in a documentary. I think it was a tea table and chairs! (Could have been dining room) All I remember is that she wanted it and wouldn’t leave without it!
Isnt the danish monarchy ca 1.000 yold ?
I wonder what she would say about Harry and Meghan.
Its incredible to think that in her life Queen Elizabeth knew people like Queen Mary who knew Queen Victoria, and she also knew Prince George who may well still be around 90 years from now!
Absolutely it is fascinating
Who is prince George ?
Prince William's son. The future of the monarchy decades from now.
Here's hoping Prince William never takes the throne. Here's hoping it ends with Charles III. Harry & Meghan were right to leave that mess behind. Abolish the monarchy.
@@SteelExoskeleton Abolish the monarchy, and the Tories too. Both are a poison on the UK, holding y'all back by decades.
I liked this scene, not because of her talk of the monarchy and God, but because of her kindness to the nurse. She was not haughty in the least and talked to the nurse as if to a friend.
At the same time, she does come across as someone that you do not cross.
I actually think that her talk of the monarchy and God and her kindness to a nurse are somehow interrelated.
This is nothing like the real Queen Mary she was a stern up tight character who wouldn't talk to a common nurse like a friend, also she didn't smoke cigarettes, ever!
@@lj1865 I just googled it, because I'm too curious of a person, and all the articles I read states she did smoke. Archives of papers from 100+ years such as The New York times (from 1930) and Daily Express mentioned it back then. The ever! was quite a bold statement. Also in this clip Queen Mary didn't talk to her "as a friend", I have no idea why people think so. More like a teacher, and yes I imagine Queen Mary would have talked just like that, but I don't know, I wasn't there.
@@missJolie85 You are correct about the smoking, i know george v was a harsh disciplinarian so naturally assumed he wouldn't let his wife smoke... mary's "friends" hidden there favourite possessions when she visited there homes because if she saw something she liked she would insist on taking it, this is her supposed friends we are talking about! i hardly think she would talk to a common nurse like that, i wasn't there either but i really don't think she would be like that
That old woman was a pillar of strength for her family.
Also, if it hadn’t been for her and her husband George V, the British Monarchy would have been snuffed out.
I thought she seemed difficult and unpleasant. She was the wife of the King. No more, no less.
@@lorraineb.4698not at all. She personified bearing and class.
@@AzrealMaximus not even a little.
@@ningenJMK that is not a bad thing. She was a truly horrible person, for the record.
Sweetest line ever "I thought you was all Queen's? They gave me a sheet"
Was? it should be were not was, but It's how the rabble talk.
@@VenosEvans
It's just how some commoners spoke. Maybe she's not too educated, or its part of British slang
"Next question?" 🚬
It means she's enjoying the conversation.
Eileen Atkins is a fantastic, talented actress. I love watching her in Upstairs, Downstairs and Doc Martin.
She was great in Cranford.
"You're not in London, now. You are in Cranford."
Who did she play in "Upstairs, Downstairs" ?
@Deutschie She co-created the original series with Jean Marsh who played Rose, but didn't apoear in it. But in the reboot she played Lady Holland in 3 episodes.
Check the WIT
She wasn't in Upstairs Downstairs, but she did create it along with actress Jean Marsh who played Rose in the Series.
Queen Mary speaks with such wisdom and authority. She steals the scenes.
so true
@@gaurav8910 Do you agree with Queen Mary's assessment or Prince Philip? Since I am an American I believe in secular rule, but the irony is that the UK does it better than the US. And being an atheist, not that there's anything wrong with that, I tend to agree with Philip. But hard to disagree with Queen Mary in the way she says it.
I too am an American atheist but I am also an anglophile, not that there's anything wrong with that. So here is the paradox. UK on paper is not secular, as the monarch is also the head of the Church of England, the official religion. The American Constitution defines our country as secular (separation of church and state), however try running for office in 99% of the country on an atheist platform, and you will be attacked. The UK is much more secular than the US. I respect and like Queen Mary, but I do not agree with her assessment. She came from a period in which religion played a greater role than more modern times. Meanwhile in Malaysia, Article 3(1) of the Malaysian Constitution explicitly states that Islam is the religion of the Federation, and Article 160(2) defines a "Malay" as a person who professes the religion of Islam. And if you are not "Malay" you are not eligible for many of the state benefits.
The language alone is so good but then the acting and motions! 🥹
Forget death by lung disease it's always by bad conversation..facts spoken so gracefully 🥰
one of my favorite lines from THE CROWN
I love this scene: the humanity and sense of humor of Queen Mary. She was an important figure in the Life of Queen Elizabeth II: grandmather, continuity whith the pasta (and the figure of her father George VI) and a truster advisor, with Churchill, in early years of reign
humanity? of a woman who let the family of her husband's cousins die in great pain, probably in revenge because her first fiancé was in love with Alexandra, and who took their jewellery for herself and her children?
It's very easy to be kind to those who are obviously "below".
@@ElizavetaPolianitskaiais any of that even true?
Queen Mary has a reputation (deserved or not, I don’t know) for being extremely acquisitive and materialistic. She allegedly used her position and influence to persuade people to gift expensive items (jewelry, artwork, and furniture) from their homes and collections to her. Later on she became a kleptomaniac and just started taking things she wanted.
@@Emma88178 her children STARVED from neglect - one almost died because she didn’t care enough to notice the nanny was a half-blind drunk. One of her children lived in isolation, hidden away and dying alone - because he had epilepsy. Her son George VI attributed his stammer and intestinal problems to child abuse. She allowed her husband to emotionally torture her children because “he is the sovereign”. She was a thief. She had kleptomania. That’s what they call jt when you’re rich. If you’re poor, you just go to prison. She was truly a vile human being.
@@LorenIpsem she was not a kleptomaniac
Without question, Queen Mary (played by Eileen Atkins) was one of my favourite characters in The Crown. Her humour and no nonsense way of viewing the world, I think it was an inspiration to her granddaughter The Queen.
Technically, Queen Mary would have had the right to have termed herself as 'Queen Mother' after George V's death with the accessions of both Edward VIII and George VI (and she would have had the right to have termed herself as 'Queen Grandmother' with Elizabeth II's accession). However, due to wanting to provide an example of stability and continuity, she insisted that she be termed only 'Queen Mary' and nothing more.
@wardarcade7452 : No, Queen Mary would have had the title " King Mother " not " Queen Mother " because she was the mother of two reigning Kings not a reigning Queen . However, I do agree with you about the title " Queen Grandmother ".
@@herondelatorre4023 No/ There's no such thing as 'King Mother'. What the title Queen Mother means is that the bearer not only had been queen consort [ or wife of a king] but also had been the mother of a monarch regardless of the monarch's gender.
@@wardarcade7452 No, I've read that a mother of a reigning king can have the option of a choosing a specific title for herself once she is no longer Queen Consort but instead the mother of a reigning king. So in theory that mother could be called " King Mother ".
No. She would have been Dowager Queen Mary. The title “Queen Mother” was used because both mother and daughter were named Elizabeth. Therefore: Elizabeth, Queen Mother. It was a way to differentiate them.
@@herondelatorre4023 Source?
Well, Queen Mary did explain perfectly, but the nurse did say “The Queen is here” not “Queen Elizabeth is here”. 😅
There was an emphasis on The queen that the queen simply didn't confer by the sister.
It's a variant on what Tvtropes calls an "as you know, Bob..." conversation. It's here to allow a bit of exposition (and humour) the writers were unable to fit anywhere else. In reality, when George VI died in early 1952 the papers/radio/news reels switched from calling his widow (Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) "the Queen" to "the Queen Mother" practically the same day. This scene is set roughly a year later. In real life, Mary wouldn't bother with such a lecture at this point, she'd rightly assume everyone around her was familiar with and using the correct titles. She would would more likely tick the nurse off for not referring to Elizabeth II as "Her Majesty the Queen..." at the start of the conversation.
@@seanwebb605 Sorry, you've misunderstood. When the nurse refers to Elizabeth II as "thuh Queen", she's pronouncing "the" correctly: it's usually pronounced that way before a word that starts with a consonant, such as "Queen".
When Mary replies "ah, THEE Queen", she's not correcting the nurse's pronunciation, she means "the [actual] Queen" - not herself or the Queen Mother. There can only be one actual Queen of the UK at any one time; Mary and the Queen Mother are out of courtesy still called "queen" but they are no longer real queens; the only queen is...THE Queen. In other words, it's the spoken equivalent of writing "the" in capital letters, as I just did, or putting it in bold or italics. It's a standard feature of the English language, a feature we all use when speaking English: whether we realise it or not!
@@DukeofDarkCorners Sorry, you've misunderstood. There was an emphasis on The to convey importance. Of course there are real queens even if there are multiple queens. They simply aren't monarchs or the current consort.
@@seanwebb605 No, again that's incorrect. One would never introduce the Queen as "THEE Queen", and Mary would have never expected such a thing. She said it solely to indicate she recognised the nurse meant "the actual Queen", "the Queen who isn't the Queen Mother".
Eileen Atkins also played a great Dowager Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine in, "Robin Hood."
Queen Eileen deserved all the awards for her tremendous acting in this episode. This scene stays with me.
Eileen Atkinson is superb, in whatever setting she finds herself.
Omg yes. Goddess
@@HoustonTroy Although she is Eileen Atkins, not Atkinson
Her Majesty certainly did take those words to heart.
Queen Elizabeth was way too remote.
To the detriment of her family
Favorite scene. Keep it coming with the crown videos. Please
I love Queen Marys voice, so demanding and powerful
Exceptional writing and outstanding acting.
The scene with the sweet, little nurse is why this is one of my favs in this show.
What a lovely rendition by Eileen Atkins! ❤️❤️❤️
One key difference that they left out was Elizabeth was the full queen monarch not consort like her mother and grandmother.
“Queen Regnant” is the technical term if I’m not mistaken.
No need to say Queen "consort" because it was a woman married to a KING. It's different (or used to be) when a man is married to a QUEEN, than when a woman is married to a KING. Phillip was never king. Prince Albert was never king when married to Queen Victoria. It's the custom to just say QUEEN FIRST NAME to a woman married to a KING. Elizabeth II was queen "in her own right."
@jdstep97 Actually, there is a difference. Are they both still queens at the end of the day? Yes, but Queen elizabeth II and George V and George VI were given the red boxes with government papers, and it only needed their sign off.
Did you ever think to wonder why Queen Victoria husband Albert or even Prince Phillip weren't ever given king consort titles? It has been done in British history. Mary Tudor forced it through parliament for her husband.
Being married to a monarch and inheritance right to the crown are two different things. There was talk for the longest time that they were going to force Camilla to stay a Dutchess thanks to the scars she carries. But Elizabeth II gave her consent that Camilla be given "Queen consort"
Correct, Elizabeth was Queen Regnant , the other two became queens through their husbands.
Eileen Atkins is beyond praise. I watch this scene over and over and over and always laugh at carpetbaggers and parvenus!
After Queen Mary drag the hell out of Philip family history, All the concern swipe away and Queen Elizabeth finally put a smile on her face, I love it.
"its Church of England dear, not Denmark or Greece" lol
Miss Adkins looks great- i enjoyed her in Smileys People many years ago. What a career she has had
I think Queen Mary really shaped Elizabeth's sense of duty to the Crown.
That's part of it. ER II was deeply impacted by the abdication of her favorite uncle, ER VIII. She about 10 at the time. And was tutored by the example of her father, GR VI, as well as in the Constitution by teachers from Eton. It wasn't much, but ER II has made the most of it.
Excellent actress and beautiful philosophical dialogue
I love how Queen Mary just listens.
I like the breakdown. But the nurse literally says "the queen is here" and Mary asks which one. Then explains how young Elizabeth is The Queen. The the nurse goes "the queen is here."
Like... she got it right the first time😂
First was the queen. Second was THE queen. Third it was fun exposition.
Just listen to this conversation once again attentively and you will hear the difference.
The first time the nurse says "thuh" Queen. Then after the explanation of Her Majesty she says "thee" Queen.
The difference is in pronunciation. "Thee" adds emphasis.
@@Kotyk_Murkotyk No. When the nurse refers to Elizabeth II as "thuh Queen", she's pronouncing "the" correctly, and Mary wasn't suggesting otherwise: it's usually pronounced that way before a word that starts with a consonant, such as "Queen".
When Mary replies "ah, THEE Queen", she's not correcting the nurse's pronunciation, she means "the [reigning] Queen" - not herself or the Queen Mother. There can only be one woman referred to as "the Queen" of the UK at any one time, and that's the monarch or the wife of the monarch; Mary and the Queen Mother are out of courtesy each still called "a queen" but they are no longer "the queen"; the only queen is...THE Queen. In other words, it's the spoken equivalent of writing "the" in capital letters, as I just did, or putting it in bold or italics. It's a standard feature of the English language, a feature we all use when speaking English: whether we realise it or not!
This is exactly what I mean, saying it in a fewer words. 'Thee' obviously indicates the presently reigning Queen.@@DukeofDarkCorners
@Kotyk_Murkotyk But only in the context of Mary's reply, to confirm she understood the nurse. Mary was *not* telling the nurse to say "THEE queen".
Dame Eileen Atkins is a master class in acting everytime she appears. This scene opening reminds me of when she plays in Agatha Christie's 'Marple' in 'Towards Zero' as Lady Tressilian. The Character is also bedridden and appears much the same as she does here, in bed, smoking, (Ironically) as they both are dying of lung disease. I love Dame Eileen Atkins and the often 'unlovable' characters she plays!
"Anointed not appointed"
3:47 Her speech is Ironic since Denmark has a much longer monarchical history than the UK. Not to mention Greece had a church before Britain. In Denmark, the monarchy goes back to the legendary kings before the 10th century. Anglo-centrism is never ending.
(Not to mention the fact that she is looking down on the elected Greek royal family, when her own father, the Duke of Teck, had no inheritance or wealth and carried the lower royal style of Serene Highness because his parents' marriage was *morganatic*).
Depends how far you go back, with a few side steps here and there, the British Monarch can trace back to the Scots Kings from 848 and 871 for a more United England with Alfred when before that there were more tribal Kings. a few hundred years after Denmark to be fair. But considering this series is about the monarchy of the UK, of course with will be Anglo centric.
@@DazzaS83 Well if we use sidesteps the Spanish monarch (as well as myself) could trace to Visigothic kings from the 4th century as well as multiple Roman ceasars, in addition to the Celtiberian kings. This could probably be endless! And I understand it’s a show based on the British monarchy, but Anglocentrism is not confined to that genre. Not at all.
Well Philip was also related by blood to Queen Victoria he was more Royal than Queen Mary 🤣🤭
Sorry UK royals still so much better.
@@jamessav8089 No they’re not. They literally have ancestors from every other royal house making them all the same really
Queen Elizabeth stayed " the queen" till her death. Such a legend. I love monarchy even though modern society deemed them obsolete. I believe in some parts of this series Elizabeth uttered that the monarchy acts a a moral compass against the parliament which covers government efficiency. Something to that effect
Beautiful, explained by the Queen's grandmother and how she interact's with the nurse❤
Very good script writing.
She answered Elizabeth's question. Mary took it to its highest meaning, significance, value, PURPOSE.
If you believe a 'role" a position etc is a calling from God.....that should color your every act and thought. It gives meaning to the least important thing you do.
So, Queen Mary's thoughts passed on the "Thee" Queen are profound advice. Something Mary had to have thought about deeply.
So, I say, this is a well thought out part of the script.
It is known that Elizabeth II regarded her life as a calling.
A duty. One the ended only with her death.
What an enormous burden that COULD be.
But ACCEPTING it would turn the burden into a life full of purpose.....and therefore the possibility of a life of Joy.
I think Elizabeth has all the right attitudes at age 25 .
And surely her depth of understanding what her life was meant to be and convey and project....certainly her thoughts about that grew, and deepened as she lived out each day.
I do not hesitate to say
This is the stuff of holiness.
Not my place to call her Saint Elizabeth II. Not my place
But any thinking person should conclude that she lived her life with belief, confidence and dedication.
You are quite correct so, ... Would you consider calling Elizabeth II being referred to as "Elizabeth the Great"?
I never watched The Crown, but recently I’ve been watching a lot of 5 minute excerpts from the show and every single one of them has been incredibly impressive.
The costumes, the settings, the lighting are perfection. Then there’s the casting which is beyond sublime and finally there’s the script….this is just so, so good at bringing plausibility to conversations that may never have taken place, but are necessary for dramatic and narrative purposes, and it just crackles along with the poise of those for whom it was meant to represent.
It goes without saying that very shortly I will never be able to say “I haven’t seen it” again, and that I’m in for an absolute treat.
You won’t regret watching it
i suggest watching Seasons 1 to 4 and Season 6 Part 2
I find this scene strange. Queen Mary was born a princess of Teck which was a morganatic branch of the Royal House of Wurttembürg. I don't see her critisising the beginnings of the Royal House of Denmark, and Greece (Prince Philip's familiy), and Norway, that is the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, an offshot of the far older Oldenburg dynasty, as it is a far older family than she was born into herself. As a woman who saw monarchy as ordained by God, she would not have critisised the others. Especially when she came from a lesser lineage.
There were many scenes in the series written for dramatic effect in a way that none of the real people being portrayed would ever truly speak. Since the series centers around Elizabeth, the writers needed to romanticize and glorify her ancestry. And as well written/acted this scene may be, the notion that the royals were chosen above all by God is rather grotesque. British monarchs are anointed by a church of their own creation.
I think part of it is the irony of QM expressing the same attitude that monarchy is ordained by god that got so many of her royal ancestors and relations killed or knocked off their thrones
Plus they were connected to the Danish Royals who were older than the British.
They all conveniently forget Phillip is a grandchild of Queen Victoria. Through his mother.
Don't forget that Mary was also descended from the British royal family herself. She was a great-granddaughter of George III. Her mother was a first cousin of Queen Victoria. Their fathers were brothers.
I loved this scene.
I remembered the story that, in her illness, she bolted at the maid that was leaving the room: "I'm not dead yet!" The maid had just forgotten to bow before turning her back and leaving her presence.
I like this scene, she tutors her nurse and her granddaughter.
❤Fantastic scene❤Two great actress❤Claire Foy❤Dame Eileen Atkins❤Brilliant acting❤love from Finland❤
Queen Mary, mourning the death of her husband the king, curtsying to Elizabeth; that scene more than any other moved me deeply.
It was the death of her second son Albert who used one of his middle names to become King George in honour of his late father.
@@teresastockman3401 Just a powerful moment.
That this show could throw an actor of Dame Eileen Atkins' stature and power into a small supporting role testifies to the bottomless bench strength of Britain's acting roster.
“Ohhh THE Queen” line always makes me laugh 😂
This interaction was done for the benefit of an American audience. Every citizen of the UK at that time would have known the difference between the Queen Regnant and Queens Consort.
1:08 then let her in sister
I love this scene but Denmark is the oldest monarchy in Europe. Perhaps, no defintlyshe was referring to Greece!
I think Queen Mary refers to the fact that Prince Phillip was a member of the House of Glücksburg, who only became monarchs of Denmark in the 1860s.
Japan’s monarchy is older than anyone else’s
@@The_king567 indeed it is, which is why I said Europe.
@@martin13145 that’s probably right, but we can talk about the Hanovers that weren’t over a 1000 in England/britain.
Or even the Saxe-Coburgs etc. my spelling is off but you get the meaning.
The Queen Mother was known to be playful with her staff. And there is a apocryphal line she uttered when calling her staff for a gin and tonic (it was always reported that this was her favorite drink from as far back as I've been aware of her, which is over 70 years), and she told her gay staff, "Would one of you old queens bring THIS old queen a gin and tonic, please."
I liked everything Queen Mary said in this segment except when she told Queen Elizabeth that the monarchy gives ordinary people something to strive for in their "wretched lives." Not the nicest thing to say about the Queen's subjects.
I personally recognize that take in my Mother - yes, yes, which one? and all that - who had the formidable jaundiced view of all comers. She was a Sphinx to an arrogant son, rest her fabulous soul!👋
If anyone is interested, Japan is the worlds oldest monarchy, dating back to 660 AD. "Emperor" is a european word that most closely equates to the Japanese word "Tenno", meaning "ruler from heaven".
Who played this queen Mary? Her voice, grace in the Crown was marvelous!
I loved every scene she was in!
Eileen Atkins
@@peter0010She previously played Queen Mary in 'Bertie and Elizabeth'. She is a fantastic actress in anything and everything she does!
I love her voice and the way she speaks ❤ 😊
I am inspired by her advice . Rest in peace Queen Mary❤.
She was a lot nicer to her staff than her family. I like that
next question....brilliant
Hopefully her great grandson has seen this scene and has an ambition to follow these words!
Omg! I just Love Eileen! Guess it's time for me to start watching "The Crown"!
Me too.
Common people and their wretched lives. So nice that members of the Royal Family want to give them models to emulate.
I unfortunately understand Queen Mary beliefs regarding Prince Philip. She just wanted to think of him in a negative way. The British royal family really down played or just did not know his genealogy then. Philip wasn't really Greek by heritage, but it was given to his family to rule like it could be done then. The Danish monarchy is one of the oldest in the world. So, his fathers family wasn't a backwater monarchy. Queen Victoria was indeed Prince Philip's great great-grandmother.
This scene is fictional. In real life the British royal family was perfectly aware of Philip's genealogy. It's not true that the King and Queen did not like Philip, they actually liked him very much - don't forget, they had known him since he was a little boy. The King's objections were mainly that he felt the Greek throne was not stable enough (and you have to admit, he had a point there) and that Elizabeth was too young (only 20) and moreover she was marrying the first and only boyfriend she'd ever had. But, as the King said ruefully to Churchill - "Elizabeth is in love, no more to be said."
In the crown we saw her as Queen Elizabeth's grandmother.
She was wife of King George V (reigned from 1911 - 1936)
She probably has met Queen Victoria as young wife to the young prince George (married in 1892), son on the prince of Wales (later King Edward VII).
She has probably met all the great crowned heads of Europe (Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, Romanovs) and she witnessed their downfall's
As Queen she has seen world war, revolution the 20s, the great depression and as Queen mother (mother of King George VI saw fascism and world war 2)
I hope Peter Morgan makes a part 2 of the Crown maybe The Crown:70 Diamond To Platinum.
Powerful Dialogues by Queen Mary.
So in love with this scene. 🖤🌹🙏🏽
Queen Mary looks so formidable!
"What does he know about William the Conqueror...?" She herself is German! 😂😂
I'm guessing she learned it all from a tutor or governess.
Eileen Atkins can play anything. She's brilliant, bc she does it all so very effortlessly. : )
This scene between Queen Elizabeth II and her Aunt Queen Mary is Brilliant! ❤
Not aunt her grand daughter 😊
@@tariqali5213LOL...
Superbly acted by Eileen Atkins. Claire Foy looks so much like the late queen!
Love this scene!
Eileen Atkins was great as Queen Mary
Coincidentally, the late Maggie Smith also played George V's consort in 'All the King's Men' with David Jason (1999) - a powerful drama about the Gallipoli campaign
It's called the "Divine Rights of the Kings". It's the divine ordination that the Kings are anointed, crowned and through their family the Almighty God protects the nation from the Satan.
It's not uncommon that everyone tries to identify oneself with the royal family and seldom so with the politicians of their nation.
That's because they don't seem to be comfortable identifying themselves with someone who may change probably with every change of the government.
The Monarchy vouchsafes them stability and endurance which the politicians with limited terms may not guarantee them.
The longest reign of late Queen Elizabeth II is one such beautiful instance of the British Monarchy protecting the Faith in the Almighty God in the UK and all the Commonwealth Countries in the World.
Probably, for that reason Queen Mary had reminded the Queen that it's the Monarchy of England not just a Monarchy of Denmark or Monarchy of Greece which is the Supreme.
I love 💗 the way Queen Mary mentored 👸🏻 Queen 👸🏻 Elizabeth II. Next question 🙋♀️!
I love powerful old ladies…..
The nurse says “the queen is here” in the first place
It's a great scene. However, the historical inaccuracies are impossible to bare 😢
There are none. She is talking power not lineage.
Bear
What is she inaccurate about?
Funniest thing is when she puts the cigarette out 😂
Eileen Atkinson is 89 years young.
(April 2024)
The nurse was correct all along. She did say the Queen was there, which according to the Queen Dowager, was how one would call Queen Elizbaeth II.
Queen Mary spitting facts
Each generation brings its own degree of understanding. But when we all become old we realize that NONE OF US KNOW ANYTHING!
Denmark's Royal family is much older than the English 😂
She was talking about Philip coming from the branch of the Danish royal family that had only been around since the 1860's.
@@Emma88178Which almost makes no sense, because if it’s a branch it means it comes from the very exact main dynasty.
No it isn't. The English had Saxon kings related to the later Norman/Angevin dynasties. King Alfred and Athelstan for example.
Yes but it has been passed down by several royal houses and it used to be an elective monarchy before it became hereditary.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw ... Thank you for being and sharing all of you
Since I am not European I can only say British people love Queen Elizabeth II ,she was an honorable and loyal lady who understood the changing times when she was Queen ,she maybe the reason why there’s a monarchy in the UK still.
Beautifully acted!
I love Queen Mary. She understood the importance of the monarchy. God bless her. 👑
Queen Mary looked so bad ass here I’m sorry. This scene abd when she kneeled to Elizabeth was beautiful to watch.
There are three Christian institutions: Roman Catholic church, Greek Orthodox, and the Church of England. France and Germany lost its monarchy due to the revolution and wars.
What about Russian Orthodox?
@IndependentConversations Russian language is close to Greek language. Roman Catholic (Latin), Greek Orthodox (Greek), and the Church of England (English). Besides, Russia (similar to France and Germany) lost its monarchy by the communist revolution.
‘Death by bad conversation’
😂
I love this
she makes me want a cigarette and I don't even smoke lol
They say The real Queen Mary never smoked
Im not a monarchist, but she made her point in the best way possible.
Queen Mary was kinda right though about the monarchy being God's representative on earth. Biblically speaking, God chose David as King of the Jews to represent Him
Yes, at the end of this lifetime we are all accountable and we answer to God about our actions, not to any human
No she’s not. The majority of them are burning in hell. They’re genocidal colonizers. The Bible never said kings and queens are his representatives lol.
When my mother was alive in 2022, we rejoiced in the legacy of this Queen Mary! My Mom and I remembered that this beautiful woman was “Queen Mary of Teck!” My Mom was a Mary as well and a descendant of the Norman King of 1066AD!
Charles: So now Camilla is
World: Queen CONSORT
What wonderful actors, My God!!!
She looks like Bunny McDoogle