@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Unofficially, approximately 20 years after we were created, a special detachment of the 501st Legion was dispatched to Casterly Rock with orders to eradicate an army of Lannisters that had been raised to take arms against the Empire.
@@youseeit916 Maybe in one of those bone-dry Brit comedies? Or since I can't get Tywin out my head, a series where the character, dying after being shot by Tyrion, sees his whole life in retrospect, but he is accompanied by his wife Joanna (had she lived to old age and played by Dench) and they provide commentary and narration.
Mm, disagree with this. Tywin is absolutely heartless, cold as ice. This guy is a deluded aristocrat who thinks he's Churchill. He's overestimating his privilege here. Tywin would never do that.Tywin's only mistake was hating too much-- hating his best son. Mountbatten is affectionate to Charles and others of his family, helps to sustain them during difficult times. Of course that's the character. The real Mountbatten was apparently a twisted dude-- a pedophile who may have committed unspeakable crimes at Kincora children's home.
@@SuperRobertoClementeTyrion was his best child, not just son. Tyrion was cunning and smart but he also had a sense of fairness and empathy. Cersei was just full of hatred and hungry for power at any costs and Jamie was an immature brat until he met Brianne and became a true honourable man. For a while, at least. Tyrion was the best child and Tywin was too stupid to accept it.
When he states “She is our Caesar“ and the next shot is of the Queen riding a horse doing a hand gesture to something out of view. Great cinematographic touch.
The real Mountbatten was a complete ning nong given to kinky sex. Very much one to trifle with. He was in important jobs only because of his family connections - he was pretty incompetent. When he met Stalin at a war planning conference, he told Stalin he was related to the Russian royal family and would like to visit them sometime. Stalin couldn't believe his translator.
In reality Mountbatten was a buffoon despised by all who had the displeasure of serving under him. There's a reason why they side-lined him away from the European theatre.
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@@imissnewspapersHe also played the chief of the military in the drama where Charles breaks up parliament like his namesake a few years ago. King Charles goes to him and says he might have to take on the parliament and asks where his and his military’s loyalties are and he says we swear an oath to the king, and to the king we will serve. So badass
I know he has that command to him that very few have. However I feel the emperor should look about 40 due to spice making him look younger than 100 years old.
I adore Mr Dance, but I disagree, precisely *because* he exudes such power and authority. ShaddamIV used to possess these qualities, but over his long reign they have given way to complacency and ineffectuality imho.
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 England's system was more akin to the German Empire's Kasier. Russian Empire with the Tzar was way too vulnerable, and the Constitution wasn't exactly concrete amid the later revolutions after Napoleon's defeat against the Romanov dynasty for nearly a century.
This episode made me have even more admiration for Her Majesty. How many of us could stand up like that to an older relative with a high intimidation value?
Even if she had consented to it, there would have been a serious possibility of civil war. The source of what brought these men together was the industrial unrest caused by Marxists who controlled the trade unions and the labour government's repeated capitulation to their outrageous demands which had crippled the British economy. Some of the union leaders at the time were later exposed as Soviet agents. All it would have taken was for a few large weapon shipments to be smuggled into the country by the USSR and there almost certainly would have been gun battles in every British city in resistance to the coup.
Oh please. This is a TV show about the crown. Not an exact or even accurate depiction of the events. First what's shown here is completely blown up for drama purposes and second it's not factual since Moundbatton was not involved in the alleged plots against Harold Wilson as he expressed it as treason and left the meeting according to wittnesses. I quote : "In his 1976 memoir Walking on Water, Hugh Cudlipp recounts a meeting he arranged at the request of Cecil King, the head of the International Publishing Corporation (IPC), between King and Lord Mountbatten of Burma, then-Prince Charles' great uncle and mentor. The meeting took place on 8 May 1968. Attending were Mountbatten, King, Cudlipp, and Sir Solly Zuckerman, the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British government. (...) Mountbatten asked for the opinion of Zuckerman, who stated that the plan amounted to treason and left the room. Mountbatten expressed the same opinion, and King and Cudlipp left."
@@CrniWukYes I know the story is not well documented. But a long time ago in the book "Up Front" Bill Mauldin wrote something that stuck with me: sometimes the stories written/spread about a person are illustrative even if the stories themselves are not true. The fact the screenwriters put Elizabeth in the role of standing up to her formidable uncle-in-law, and the audience ate it up, says a lot. To contrast, has anyone ever heard a story of Donald Trump acting generous, patriotic or self-effacing? No and you never will.
@CrniWuk precisely, had it gone any further than that meeting they knew that the death penalty still stood for high treason, and any action going against the prime minister was effectively going after the monarchy itself as the prime minister is at the behest of the monarch in charge of the country. The monarchy does not forget what the country did to Charles the first and their siding with the coup would have put her own head in peril had the coup gone badly and lead to civil war with the coup failing. She was never going to back them.
This is fascinating. I think the notion of Mountbatten trying to mount a coup is fictional, but the idea of the monarch's vast reserved powers being used for this purpose is an interesting scenario. Those reserved powers, such as the ability to unilaterally dissolve parliament, arrest people without due process, or to actively command the military, exist as a check on potential abuses of power by elected officials - for example some sort of constitutional coup by a rogue prime minister. The Crown cleverly turned this scenario on its head, with a coup-maker trying to manipulate the monarch into using her reserved powers to overthrow the established order. If something along those lines did occur, it would likely bring about the end of the monarchy sooner or later.
Ever since the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution there's been the unspoken understanding that the Crown maintains those reserve powers at the pleasure of Parliament. They could exercise them, yes... but if they did so, they risk the existence of the monarchy itself. Therefore, they would only be exercised in the most extreme sort of case. My usual examples are from WW2, when governments were in impossible situations. Positive examples are King Michael's coup in Romania, Victor Emmanuel's dismissal of Mussolini, or the Norwegian royal family giving the government-in-exile legitimacy. The negative side of the ledger is going to point straight at King Leopold's surrender and subsequent collaboration with the Germans to try and secure the least damage for Belgium during the war.
These are great points. It does seem like the reserve powers only exist to address very extreme circumstances. Trump's rise to the presidency in the US and his attempts at a coup are good reminders that checks and balances are essential. In the US, we rely on teamwork involving the legislative branch, the courts, the military, and the civil service to contain threats from a rogue president. The UK has the monarch to play this role, working in concert with the military, civil service, courts, and sympathetic elected officials. Fortunately for the UK, the scenario of a rogue prime minister has never come to pass. @@phytonso9877
Something similar happened in Japan. They did not have a democracy, but the shogunate. The emperor had ultimate sovereignty and legal power, but for centuries this was in name only, with practical power lying in the hands of the Shogun and, to a lesser extent, the Daimyo. The Meiji reformers used the Emperor's reserved powers to oust the Shogun and restore absolute imperial rule.
Very interesting - I do not know the history of the Meiji restoration. It is ironic that the monarchy provided a path to modernization for Japan, which enabled it to stand up to the European powers unlike the Qing Dynasty. The Qing had a path to reform, but ultimately the Dowager Empress had the dynasty in a death grip. @@johnhoney657
He missed off a key bit...which makes a coup impossible.... There is no 'British Army'....there are a collection of Regiments and Corps....who will fight together, but also loath each other... If the Para's backed a coup....the Royal Marines would fight them, and vice versa... If the Guards staged a coup....the County Regt's would fight them..., and vice versa If the entire Army backed a coup....the Royal Navy wouldn't go along....and vice versa... If the Royal Air Force backed a coup....everyone would pile in against them.... All would need support from the Royal Artillery, Royal Engineers, Royal Logistic Corps, Royal Armoured Corps...who also have internal differences (Para Eng, Commando Logistic Regt, Mounted Artillery etc etc...). The only formation that would actually stand a chance is the Army Veterinary Corps....because no-one has any beef with them....but thats only 5 blokes, a few dogs and a goat...
it’s a really good thing that David (Duke of Windsor) was too busy mooning over Wallis and buying her affections otherwise he might have realized just how much power he had as the monarch - scary thought - David: hello, Adolf - am ready for that coup we were talking about Hitler: good - tell your RAF to stand down - no need for a war - we’ll be right over to hang up Nazi banners and … 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Much like the US President is the commander in chief that does not guarantee the military will follow his orders without question. So yes, David could have ordered them to stand down but no guarantee they'd listen. The important part to remember is this is post WW1 UK the same UK that caused the royal family to change its household name because of hatred for Germans. So highly unlikely that would have worked. Now for Elizabeth the II though it could have been a possibility.
What's scarier is our boy Charlie is very much in bed with the current would-be dictators, and may well ask him to do exactly the same thing. I don't think it's out of the bounds of possibility that he may do just that 'for the common good' of course.
I am convinced that "David's" pro-Nazi sympathies were known as well as his desire to rule and just reign, and these were the reasons he was forced to abdicate. But, let's say David was smart enough to hang around. Maybe WW2 ends with a negotiated peace and the Nazis controlling Europe. Maybe the Tories became more right-wing. Maybe Labour never enters or forms a Government. And, if Wilson does in the 1960's, Mountbatten goes to Edward VIII, not Elizabeth, and presents the case for "Caesar", wouldn't Edward jump at it?
Idk for an empire that was so prideful of being the vanguard of human civilization, answering to no-one, and hating the "Krauts", submitting to Germany would have been outrageous to every level of social class. A coup? Maybe. Nazi banners? No.
If Her Majesty The Queen was involved and excercising her ancient perogatives, it’s by definition not a coup - but a Constitutional monarch using Her legal, if little used, powers….
Implication that the Queen could be influenced. Each of the civil institutions mentioned could be influenced by threats the same way. It's all fake news "Gov", the Queen would never ....
As pointed out by madcap, it was Labour and Harold Wilson who were in power ... hence the 'need' for a coup (against Socialism) by Old School Establishment types. This is a very believable scene.
Well there are recent examples of kings being involved in parliamentary events, although briefly, like how Juan Carlos I converted Spain from fascism to a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy, and how King Bumibol live-streamed himself on TV talking down a general and revolutionary leader, and told them to stop their conflict and establish peace.
This was a very compelling argument for The Queen’s authority had she decided to exercise it. I now think that Great Britain is realizing just how valuable the late Queen was. RIP, Queen Elizabeth II.
0:59 Kinda dissapointed that they didn't mention The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état (Portuguese: Golpe de estado no Brasil em 1964) that overthrow the *center-left wing* Brazilian president João Goulart by a *Civil-Military coup* in March 31 to April 1, 1964, ending the Fourth Brazilian Republic *(1946-1964)* and initiating the Brazilian military dictatorship *(1964-1985).*
It seems odd to me that throughout the series, the queen was asked several times to use her power to overthrown governments and remove prime ministers. To me it just sound useless considering that almost every prime minister was failing in one way or another. The monarch should indeed let the politicians deal with the mess they made themselves.
Except perhaps in an unprecedented extreme situation, a monarch removing a democratically elected leader will never go over well. If, say, Mountbatten's scheme had succeeded here and Harold Wilson was ousted undemocratically, I can guarantee you that either the UK would currently be a dictatorship or they would have long done away with their monarchy. It's precisely because the British monarchy has remained politically neutral and simply maintained an advisory role that they've lasted to this day whereas so many others European monarchies are a relic of history. Many people like the image of the monarchy, but far fewer would be willing to actually have their lives dictated by non-elected public figures in modern western society.
Very very very interesting that it was a step to far to do this in the UK.... but she did precisely this in Australia... just a couple of years before Thatcher in the UK the non-consecutive Labor gov in Australia was famously dismissed in the the Queens name.
@@oipic Governor-General John Kerr did it without the consulting the Queen. Even Gough Whitlam repeatedly stated it. The only involvement the Queen had was several months prior to the dismissal when Kerr wrote to her private secretary Martin Charteris asking for clarification on whether he had the authority to dismiss Whitlam or if Whitlam had the authority to dismiss him. Charteris replied that in the event, she would be inclined to side with her Prime Minister.
The imagry of her on horseback pointing, a common artistic motif to invoke a military leader with vision and direction, as he says the words "She is our Caeser" is incredible camera work and writing
I am curious what would have happened if this actually took place. If the situation was so bad that Queen Elizabeth was forced to use her constitutional powers to declare a state of emergency and effectively dissolve and replace the PM and Parliament. She goes on about how it's not her place and that she's protecting the constitution and democracy. But Mountbatten made a valid point that the constitution does both burden her with the responsibility, and empowers her with the means, to act on behalf of the nation when the PM and Parliament fail in their duties. It is a government formed in her name, if that governemnt does not serve the people of the United Kingdom as it should then she represents part of the checks and balances of power essential to democracy.
I doubt that it would actually work out like that. Even if she can technically do it that does not mean that is something which works practically. If she would actually dissolve parliament it would create all sorts of instability, confusion and chaos. Because what would you do if the Parliament doesn't dissolve? Send in the military? On British soil? Acting against their own government? Even if they are sworn in on the crown, what if most of them refuse? No one with a sane mind would order something like that if they can not be sure to have the full support of the institutions behind them. And most officials would not follow trough with this if they are not absolutely convinced that it's necessary. Like a very serious governmental crisis and catastrophy. Maybe if a government lost the election and it wouldn't step down peacefully, then maybe the Queen could order it. But outside of such scenarios? I don't see it really working out.
If something had happened to Queen Elizabeth II prior to this and it were King Charles, I can only imagine the chaos Lord Mountbatten could have created (had this coup ever been considered). In my opinion, Lord Mountbatten remains one of the greatest war heroes of World War II. His support of Winston Churchill in the formation of the British Commandos eventually led to Operation Chariot being a success (despite high casualties) and that critical moment kept the Turpitz out of the war entirely, preventing a second Bismarck from entering the fight.
He is talking of sovereighty being given to UN. This was back in the 60's. Here we are in 2025, the idea is still fresh in the minds of leaders today. They won't act of it but there is someone who will move them to do so in the near future. 😊
FAVORITE ACTOR OF MANY. DO ANY KNOW OF HIS DISTANT RELATIVES THAT HE LOCATED? A VERY SPECIAL DOCUMENTARY. DANCE WAS WONDERFUL & GRATEFULLY VERY HAPPY WITH IT. WHAT A FINE MAN.
We always praise Christopher Lee, Morgan Freeman and the likes for their epic voice. Charles Dance is definitely up there with them and needs to be appreciated way more for his delivery of lines and mannerism on screen. (And off!)
@@sonarmb True. Elizabeth was never "our Caesar". Whoever pulls the strings in Washington DC was and is for the time be(j)ing. Democracy is a delusion, and a republic has a very limited shelf-life. It's been like that at least since Athens and Rome. We should have learned that by know. Democracy is mob rule manipulated by demagogues that ends in tyranny and a republic is a cover for oligarchy which inevitably devolves into an imperialist bureaucracy. Look at Trump and Biden: they embody a failed democratic republic behaving like an increasingly tyrannical empire.
At 4:15 he says the Armed forces swear allegiance to the crown. I thought the Navy and Air Force do, but the Army does not. It's called the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force, but it's the British Army. I thought this was a consequence of the 1650 civil war, that parliament controls the ground forces. Has this changed?
the army still swears allegiance to the monarch as Commander in Chief. Parliament is required to pass an act to continue to maintain a standing army though.
@@ChaseWright516I thought the practice of an annual Army Act ended in 1955. There is no doubt an act that establishes and regulates the army but I don’t think it has to be renewed periodically.
And ten years later, the Australian Labour government was dismissed after first losing control of the Senate and then the money bills, using those Regent powers embodied through the Governor General.
In 2019 Boris Johnson facing questions about Brexit that he didn't want to answer advised the Queen to prorogue (suspend) Parliament for 5 weeks. Tested later in court, his advice was found to be unlawful and thus the prorogation, in that instance, invalid. The incident ddid however prove that the royal prerogative exists.
Well she found out before he asked and she gave him a very clear 'NO!' Had it been anyone else other than Mountbatten, he of great war service and Royal blood, they would have been arrested for Subversion. Note not Treason becasue he was against the Government not the Monarch. Beautifully played by Dance though.
Regardless of whether this meeting really happened, I do find this an interesting thought exercise. I am by no means an expert on this, but would the armed forces really obey such an order directly from the monarch? Even if they have sworn allegiance to him/her, does swearing allegiance mean you blindly obey them? I suspect a lot depends on the respective popularities of the government and monarch in question.
You proved your country has robust enough institutions and public conscientiousness that it can overcome the tyranny that often times gripped it in the 1900s. Caesar, and his assassination were down to an erosion of the rule of law. Sulla, Cataline, they'd all shown how exploitable the system was - Caesar both gained his immense power from the senate AND caused his own assassination because of that - that the Consulship had become a powerless office for the vain, and the normalisation of weapons being brought across Rome's outer limits, a previously death sentence crime. I don't know what'll happen to Yoon, if this is a matter of a firing squad, but a transparent, open indictment will be just as necessary as stopping him in the first place for South Korea to show it's democratic foundations having set.
Obviously this show exaggerates events, so he wasn't quite as blatant with the coup idea as he was here. Still I have a difficult time believing that he ever thought the Queen would be willing to entertain this. It seems pretty much contrary to everything she stood for.
'Unless......' I recall it being quietly well known at the time, that the Queen had sent the postulants packing with a (metaphorical) kick up the backside!! Less well known (though a guess would have been easy) was who exactly presented the idea and how.
"Ok... What about Casterly Rock? Had there been any coup?"
"Never."
"Officially there never was a rebellion in Castamer"
That 'never' I read in tywins voice.
But there are a lot of incests.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Unofficially, approximately 20 years after we were created, a special detachment of the 501st Legion was dispatched to Casterly Rock with orders to eradicate an army of Lannisters that had been raised to take arms against the Empire.
…always pays their debts
I could listen to Charles Dance reading pretty much anything.
Superb voice. He could probably read a death sentence and the condemned man would give him a standing ovation!
Absolute treasure, as befits The Patrician.
What a fool 😂
If he and Judi Dench ever coupled up the world would freeze solid with the Britishness of it all
@@youseeit916 Maybe in one of those bone-dry Brit comedies? Or since I can't get Tywin out my head, a series where the character, dying after being shot by Tyrion, sees his whole life in retrospect, but he is accompanied by his wife Joanna (had she lived to old age and played by Dench) and they provide commentary and narration.
Its so weird that Charles Dance is essentially the same character in everything but somehow never gets repetitive, which really is a huge skill.
Mm, disagree with this. Tywin is absolutely heartless, cold as ice. This guy is a deluded aristocrat who thinks he's Churchill. He's overestimating his privilege here. Tywin would never do that.Tywin's only mistake was hating too much-- hating his best son. Mountbatten is affectionate to Charles and others of his family, helps to sustain them during difficult times. Of course that's the character. The real Mountbatten was apparently a twisted dude-- a pedophile who may have committed unspeakable crimes at Kincora children's home.
@@SuperRobertoClemente And they sent that dude to oversee the partition and Independence of India? Yeah, now it all makes sense.
@@death_parade Predators would never be able to do what they do without networks of enablers and fellow creeps.
Typecasting
@@SuperRobertoClementeTyrion was his best child, not just son. Tyrion was cunning and smart but he also had a sense of fairness and empathy. Cersei was just full of hatred and hungry for power at any costs and Jamie was an immature brat until he met Brianne and became a true honourable man. For a while, at least.
Tyrion was the best child and Tywin was too stupid to accept it.
When he states “She is our Caesar“ and the next shot is of the Queen riding a horse doing a hand gesture to something out of view. Great cinematographic touch.
Sad
and unlike caesar, the queen died of natural causes.
we have the Editor to thank for that
Yeah, it’s a great moment but it’s pretty inaccurate, this meeting did take place but Mountbatten dismissed it as treason and that was it
@@corvus2512
Interesting
He has such casual gravitas. You believe this man is a leader, a tactician, and not the one to trifle with. Fantastic actor.
Check out Tywin Lanister Game of Thrones
More gravitas than the real Mountbatten had.
The real Mountbatten was a complete ning nong given to kinky sex. Very much one to trifle with. He was in important jobs only because of his family connections - he was pretty incompetent.
When he met Stalin at a war planning conference, he told Stalin he was related to the Russian royal family and would like to visit them sometime. Stalin couldn't believe his translator.
In reality Mountbatten was a buffoon despised by all who had the displeasure of serving under him. There's a reason why they side-lined him away from the European theatre.
@MrBond249 Indeed. Lord Mountbatten was a disastrous leader, and his greatest skill was being able to avoid the worst consequences.
Tywin Lannister is at it again.
Doing what he does best regardless of the universe / timeline 😎
"Do you really think a crown gives you power?"
@@lukethomas.125 In this case, yes.
With Bronze Yohn Royce as one of his co-conspirators, as well.
🤣
Charles Dance could pretty much read a menu and I'm pretty much listening.
You are pretty much right
😂 (that's a yes)
"The Filet Mignon is sourced from a ranch in western Canada, praised for it's excellent marbling blend of fat and meat. The meat has been aged for 28 days to achieve 5-star consistency. Served with a side of fresh seasonal vegetables, and your choice of a house soup or salad. The house recommends it to be served between Rare and Medium."
@@anonymousskunk "Yes! Yes! I'll order it for my whole party! Can I have both soup AND salad? Now tell us about the wine pairing!"
@@anonymousskunk I read this in Tywin's voice in my head.
Charles really has a gift for playing machiavellian characters. He also did a great job as the narrator for the Netflix docuseries Ottoman.
I knew I that I knew his voice from somewhere
and the Disney+ Series Savage Kingdom (Essentially GoT but with lions/animals)
I admired his acting (and directing) since I first watched _White Mischief_ in the late 1980s. 🤟
Which is why Sir Terry Pratchett loved seeing him play Lord Vetinari in "Going Postal". Dance was pretty much the perfect and only casting choice.
The one where Mehmed the Conqueror? Amazing
“You will marry the night king and that’s final, the family name demands you do your duty”
“You are still fertile, you need to marry again and breed”
"No I won't "
"Yes you will"
"I am not some trading whore I'm Queen regent"
@@Ir0neye I am Queen Regent, not some broodmare!
Lord Yohn Royce and Lord Tywin Lannister plot together to seize the Iron Throne.
He also played Chief Inspector Hyne in Andor.
Thought I recognized him, good call out
I know! I thought the Royce’s hated the Lannisters.
@@imissnewspapersHe also played the chief of the military in the drama where Charles breaks up parliament like his namesake a few years ago. King Charles goes to him and says he might have to take on the parliament and asks where his and his military’s loyalties are and he says we swear an oath to the king, and to the king we will serve. So badass
What?! I can’t believe I never made the connection 🤯
"She might be our Caeser but any woman that must say i am the queen is no true queen, i'll make her understand that when i win the wars for her"
😅
"Her father won the real war ! he killed the prince when you hid in Casterly Rock !"
“Lord Mountbatten was every inch of a king, yet he wears no crown”
-maestor einstien
I sure taught the Japanese a thing or two...
Was a Viceroy tho for what it's worth
Kings don't advise traitors nor plot coups against their own countries...
He was an idiot, it’s well documented in his naval career, men hated to serve on his ships due to reckless conduct.
No offense to Christopher Walken, but I’m still bummed that Charles Dance wasn’t cast as Shaddam IV in Dune Part 2.
I know he has that command to him that very few have. However I feel the emperor should look about 40 due to spice making him look younger than 100 years old.
Nah that would've been a little too on the nose lol.
I adore Mr Dance, but I disagree, precisely *because* he exudes such power and authority. ShaddamIV used to possess these qualities, but over his long reign they have given way to complacency and ineffectuality imho.
@@gozerthegozarian9500Boom.
Shaddam IV wasn't a notable enough ruler, he was mediocre at best.
She is our Caesar.
My favorite line of the whole 6 seasons.
*Caesar ;)
Kaiser
Tzar
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 England's system was more akin to the German Empire's Kasier. Russian Empire with the Tzar was way too vulnerable, and the Constitution wasn't exactly concrete amid the later revolutions after Napoleon's defeat against the Romanov dynasty for nearly a century.
@@benusmaximus3601 ty
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in living memory: and Charlie Dance just made it sound plausible 😂
The mark of a true (and dangerous) leader!
Ask Jefferson Davis.
Charisma
@@tonyburzio4107 in living memory. How old are you?
@@MrDicelingNot much of a leader
We need Charles Dance to describe the current volatile situation going on in the Europe, Asia and Africa.
"I have seven continents to look after, and three of them are in open rebellion."
America, Australia and Oceania: Are a a joke to you?
And America
@@ptolemeeselenion1542”we taught this chimpanzee to understand the American political system and he hanged himself”
Charles Dance instantly commands attention in any scene he's in.
This episode made me have even more admiration for Her Majesty. How many of us could stand up like that to an older relative with a high intimidation value?
Even if she had consented to it, there would have been a serious possibility of civil war. The source of what brought these men together was the industrial unrest caused by Marxists who controlled the trade unions and the labour government's repeated capitulation to their outrageous demands which had crippled the British economy.
Some of the union leaders at the time were later exposed as Soviet agents. All it would have taken was for a few large weapon shipments to be smuggled into the country by the USSR and there almost certainly would have been gun battles in every British city in resistance to the coup.
She had all the power and he had none except that which came through her, and they both knew it.
Oh please. This is a TV show about the crown. Not an exact or even accurate depiction of the events. First what's shown here is completely blown up for drama purposes and second it's not factual since Moundbatton was not involved in the alleged plots against Harold Wilson as he expressed it as treason and left the meeting according to wittnesses. I quote :
"In his 1976 memoir Walking on Water, Hugh Cudlipp recounts a meeting he arranged at the request of Cecil King, the head of the International Publishing Corporation (IPC), between King and Lord Mountbatten of Burma, then-Prince Charles' great uncle and mentor. The meeting took place on 8 May 1968. Attending were Mountbatten, King, Cudlipp, and Sir Solly Zuckerman, the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British government.
(...)
Mountbatten asked for the opinion of Zuckerman, who stated that the plan amounted to treason and left the room. Mountbatten expressed the same opinion, and King and Cudlipp left."
@@CrniWukYes I know the story is not well documented. But a long time ago in the book "Up Front" Bill Mauldin wrote something that stuck with me: sometimes the stories written/spread about a person are illustrative even if the stories themselves are not true. The fact the screenwriters put Elizabeth in the role of standing up to her formidable uncle-in-law, and the audience ate it up, says a lot. To contrast, has anyone ever heard a story of Donald Trump acting generous, patriotic or self-effacing? No and you never will.
@CrniWuk precisely, had it gone any further than that meeting they knew that the death penalty still stood for high treason, and any action going against the prime minister was effectively going after the monarchy itself as the prime minister is at the behest of the monarch in charge of the country. The monarchy does not forget what the country did to Charles the first and their siding with the coup would have put her own head in peril had the coup gone badly and lead to civil war with the coup failing. She was never going to back them.
As Korean i got surprised that the coup conducted by Park Chung Hee was mentioned in the script. lol
South Korea is far more important in the world stage, than people give it credit for.
This happens before the coup of Chun do Hwan alas. Park's coup was far less...thoughtful.
Why Korea will not be mentioned??? It is quite important to the world.
That’s America spreading democracy for you.
@@zeitgeistx5239 It had nothing to do with America.
This is fascinating. I think the notion of Mountbatten trying to mount a coup is fictional, but the idea of the monarch's vast reserved powers being used for this purpose is an interesting scenario. Those reserved powers, such as the ability to unilaterally dissolve parliament, arrest people without due process, or to actively command the military, exist as a check on potential abuses of power by elected officials - for example some sort of constitutional coup by a rogue prime minister. The Crown cleverly turned this scenario on its head, with a coup-maker trying to manipulate the monarch into using her reserved powers to overthrow the established order. If something along those lines did occur, it would likely bring about the end of the monarchy sooner or later.
Ever since the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution there's been the unspoken understanding that the Crown maintains those reserve powers at the pleasure of Parliament. They could exercise them, yes... but if they did so, they risk the existence of the monarchy itself. Therefore, they would only be exercised in the most extreme sort of case. My usual examples are from WW2, when governments were in impossible situations. Positive examples are King Michael's coup in Romania, Victor Emmanuel's dismissal of Mussolini, or the Norwegian royal family giving the government-in-exile legitimacy. The negative side of the ledger is going to point straight at King Leopold's surrender and subsequent collaboration with the Germans to try and secure the least damage for Belgium during the war.
These are great points. It does seem like the reserve powers only exist to address very extreme circumstances. Trump's rise to the presidency in the US and his attempts at a coup are good reminders that checks and balances are essential. In the US, we rely on teamwork involving the legislative branch, the courts, the military, and the civil service to contain threats from a rogue president. The UK has the monarch to play this role, working in concert with the military, civil service, courts, and sympathetic elected officials. Fortunately for the UK, the scenario of a rogue prime minister has never come to pass. @@phytonso9877
Something similar happened in Japan. They did not have a democracy, but the shogunate. The emperor had ultimate sovereignty and legal power, but for centuries this was in name only, with practical power lying in the hands of the Shogun and, to a lesser extent, the Daimyo. The Meiji reformers used the Emperor's reserved powers to oust the Shogun and restore absolute imperial rule.
Very interesting - I do not know the history of the Meiji restoration. It is ironic that the monarchy provided a path to modernization for Japan, which enabled it to stand up to the European powers unlike the Qing Dynasty. The Qing had a path to reform, but ultimately the Dowager Empress had the dynasty in a death grip. @@johnhoney657
Actually, it has long been rumored that Mountbatten did plot against the Labour government of Harold Wilson.
Charles Dance is such an amazing actor
They cut the scene too early, before he explains why he will NOT ask the Queen to dissolve the government.
You can always ASK. Doesn't mean you'll get a yes.
Charles Dance performs this scene impeccably. Just a masterful performance.
Keep it coming with the crown videos please. My favorite scene
You say that in every video.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 he must really mean it
Tywin playing the game of thrones once again.
And never wins
Man can’t help it at this point
Charles Dance was the narrator in the Turkish film/documentary about Mehmet the Great and Vlad Dracul, made it even more awesome.
1:05 Pretty sure that is lord Royce from the Vale lol
Ah, so that's why he seems familiar.
Because it's him haha
I just love Charles Dance! Such an imposing figure!
I listen to his analysis of how to bring about a coup in the United Kingdom, and I can see all of it happening right now.
He missed off a key bit...which makes a coup impossible....
There is no 'British Army'....there are a collection of Regiments and Corps....who will fight together, but also loath each other...
If the Para's backed a coup....the Royal Marines would fight them, and vice versa...
If the Guards staged a coup....the County Regt's would fight them..., and vice versa
If the entire Army backed a coup....the Royal Navy wouldn't go along....and vice versa...
If the Royal Air Force backed a coup....everyone would pile in against them....
All would need support from the Royal Artillery, Royal Engineers, Royal Logistic Corps, Royal Armoured Corps...who also have internal differences (Para Eng, Commando Logistic Regt, Mounted Artillery etc etc...).
The only formation that would actually stand a chance is the Army Veterinary Corps....because no-one has any beef with them....but thats only 5 blokes, a few dogs and a goat...
@@dogsnads5634The dogs we could handle it’s the goat I worry about
@@us-Bahn The mascot of the Royal Welch... apparently he's an utter bastard as well...
@@us-Bahn That Goat is a menace. Cross him at your peril.
it’s a really good thing that David (Duke of Windsor) was too busy mooning over Wallis and buying her affections otherwise he might have realized just how much power he had as the monarch - scary thought - David: hello, Adolf - am ready for that coup we were talking about Hitler: good - tell your RAF to stand down - no need for a war - we’ll be right over to hang up Nazi banners and … 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
David abdicated in 1935, he probably didn't know who Hitler was then
Much like the US President is the commander in chief that does not guarantee the military will follow his orders without question. So yes, David could have ordered them to stand down but no guarantee they'd listen. The important part to remember is this is post WW1 UK the same UK that caused the royal family to change its household name because of hatred for Germans. So highly unlikely that would have worked. Now for Elizabeth the II though it could have been a possibility.
What's scarier is our boy Charlie is very much in bed with the current would-be dictators, and may well ask him to do exactly the same thing.
I don't think it's out of the bounds of possibility that he may do just that 'for the common good' of course.
I am convinced that "David's" pro-Nazi sympathies were known as well as his desire to rule and just reign, and these were the reasons he was forced to abdicate. But, let's say David was smart enough to hang around. Maybe WW2 ends with a negotiated peace and the Nazis controlling Europe. Maybe the Tories became more right-wing. Maybe Labour never enters or forms a Government. And, if Wilson does in the 1960's, Mountbatten goes to Edward VIII, not Elizabeth, and presents the case for "Caesar", wouldn't Edward jump at it?
Idk for an empire that was so prideful of being the vanguard of human civilization, answering to no-one, and hating the "Krauts", submitting to Germany would have been outrageous to every level of social class. A coup? Maybe. Nazi banners? No.
If Her Majesty The Queen was involved and excercising her ancient perogatives, it’s by definition not a coup - but a Constitutional monarch using Her legal, if little used, powers….
Implication that the Queen could be influenced. Each of the civil institutions mentioned could be influenced by threats the same way. It's all fake news "Gov", the Queen would never ....
Good job Madge told them where to stick their coup.
This is fake. This meeting never took place like that.
@@CrniWuk how do we know this?
Labour were in power at this point in time, not the Conservatives, Maggie wasn’t the Prime Minister yet.
@@madcapmagician3130 "Madge" was one of the nicknames used for Her Majesty. Majesty -Madge.
Not Maggie.
As pointed out by madcap, it was Labour and Harold Wilson who were in power ... hence the 'need' for a coup (against Socialism) by Old School Establishment types. This is a very believable scene.
When he said which brings me to the fifth element, I was half expecting Layloo to walk out.
So this is where Tywin Lannister ended up after he dodged that arrow. Neat
Toilet bowl actually a wormhole, suckhim into this era
And he wasn't any better as a military leader.
So Yohn Royce have been allied to the Lannisters all along?! What a plot twist
0:41 LOL - Hand of the Queen.
"And I haven't event mentioned the Gold Cloaks"
Well there are recent examples of kings being involved in parliamentary events, although briefly, like how Juan Carlos I converted Spain from fascism to a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy, and how King Bumibol live-streamed himself on TV talking down a general and revolutionary leader, and told them to stop their conflict and establish peace.
Dance is so awesome, he really does play the part of powerful senior politician so well
I love his acting skill. ❤
all of this coolness only to realize that this episode is about "you're old grandpa, accept it"
He himself mentioned that he was past his prime ... "even in my heyday"
This was a very compelling argument for The Queen’s authority had she decided to exercise it. I now think that Great Britain is realizing just how valuable the late Queen was. RIP, Queen Elizabeth II.
0:59 Kinda dissapointed that they didn't mention The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état (Portuguese: Golpe de estado no Brasil em 1964) that overthrow the *center-left wing* Brazilian president João Goulart by a *Civil-Military coup* in March 31 to April 1, 1964, ending the Fourth Brazilian Republic *(1946-1964)* and initiating the Brazilian military dictatorship *(1964-1985).*
center-left wing lol
@@jfKraemer I failed to find whats so funny on my statement. Care to point it out for me?
@@ChairmanofAlabasta euphemism to say the least
It seems odd to me that throughout the series, the queen was asked several times to use her power to overthrown governments and remove prime ministers. To me it just sound useless considering that almost every prime minister was failing in one way or another. The monarch should indeed let the politicians deal with the mess they made themselves.
Except perhaps in an unprecedented extreme situation, a monarch removing a democratically elected leader will never go over well. If, say, Mountbatten's scheme had succeeded here and Harold Wilson was ousted undemocratically, I can guarantee you that either the UK would currently be a dictatorship or they would have long done away with their monarchy. It's precisely because the British monarchy has remained politically neutral and simply maintained an advisory role that they've lasted to this day whereas so many others European monarchies are a relic of history. Many people like the image of the monarchy, but far fewer would be willing to actually have their lives dictated by non-elected public figures in modern western society.
@@EXCLMaker I agree.
Very very very interesting that it was a step to far to do this in the UK.... but she did precisely this in Australia... just a couple of years before Thatcher in the UK the non-consecutive Labor gov in Australia was famously dismissed in the the Queens name.
Well, that depends on what's going on about the Place...It needs a 'Gentle' pair of Experienced Hands to Steady the runaway Horse !!!
@@oipic Governor-General John Kerr did it without the consulting the Queen. Even Gough Whitlam repeatedly stated it.
The only involvement the Queen had was several months prior to the dismissal when Kerr wrote to her private secretary Martin Charteris asking for clarification on whether he had the authority to dismiss Whitlam or if Whitlam had the authority to dismiss him. Charteris replied that in the event, she would be inclined to side with her Prime Minister.
I thought he was doing an incredible job portraying Tywin Lannister. It turns out Charles Dance simply IS Tywin Lannister.
The imagry of her on horseback pointing, a common artistic motif to invoke a military leader with vision and direction, as he says the words "She is our Caeser" is incredible camera work and writing
Tywin is pretty chill
If Charles Dance wants to organize a coup, I'm in!
I am curious what would have happened if this actually took place. If the situation was so bad that Queen Elizabeth was forced to use her constitutional powers to declare a state of emergency and effectively dissolve and replace the PM and Parliament. She goes on about how it's not her place and that she's protecting the constitution and democracy. But Mountbatten made a valid point that the constitution does both burden her with the responsibility, and empowers her with the means, to act on behalf of the nation when the PM and Parliament fail in their duties. It is a government formed in her name, if that governemnt does not serve the people of the United Kingdom as it should then she represents part of the checks and balances of power essential to democracy.
I doubt that it would actually work out like that. Even if she can technically do it that does not mean that is something which works practically. If she would actually dissolve parliament it would create all sorts of instability, confusion and chaos. Because what would you do if the Parliament doesn't dissolve? Send in the military? On British soil? Acting against their own government? Even if they are sworn in on the crown, what if most of them refuse? No one with a sane mind would order something like that if they can not be sure to have the full support of the institutions behind them. And most officials would not follow trough with this if they are not absolutely convinced that it's necessary. Like a very serious governmental crisis and catastrophy. Maybe if a government lost the election and it wouldn't step down peacefully, then maybe the Queen could order it. But outside of such scenarios? I don't see it really working out.
Australia 1975.
@@markmh835 Glorified mining colony. Not the same.
the monarch would have no check on this in this scenario, so it would not be a checks and balances of power situation, it would simply be autocracy
Man imagine if she took power, the UK might actually continue exist as a country
If something had happened to Queen Elizabeth II prior to this and it were King Charles, I can only imagine the chaos Lord Mountbatten could have created (had this coup ever been considered). In my opinion, Lord Mountbatten remains one of the greatest war heroes of World War II. His support of Winston Churchill in the formation of the British Commandos eventually led to Operation Chariot being a success (despite high casualties) and that critical moment kept the Turpitz out of the war entirely, preventing a second Bismarck from entering the fight.
No one said train station in 1979. It w 4:56 as always station or railway station. Why it changed is a mystery.
Americans. We’ve always said train station and our cultural victory means US English is infecting yours.
Charles Dance could read the entire Yellow Pages and I wouldn't even flinch
All Hail Caesar. She was one of a kind.
He is talking of sovereighty being given to UN. This was back in the 60's. Here we are in 2025, the idea is still fresh in the minds of leaders today. They won't act of it but there is someone who will move them to do so in the near future. 😊
FAVORITE ACTOR OF MANY.
DO ANY KNOW OF HIS DISTANT RELATIVES THAT HE LOCATED? A VERY SPECIAL DOCUMENTARY.
DANCE WAS WONDERFUL & GRATEFULLY VERY HAPPY WITH IT. WHAT A FINE MAN.
Charles dance has the most powerful and regal voice I think has ever existed
Sir Christopher Lee (Sauron) did too
Charles dance can read a dictionary and it will sound like a speech
God bless queen Elizabeth. No other after shall be her eaqual.
Except for literally any decent person ever. This show is biased. Take ten minutes to educate yourself.
Yes she pissed away the country now the country pisses on her.
What about Elizabeth the 2nd?
We always praise Christopher Lee, Morgan Freeman and the likes for their epic voice. Charles Dance is definitely up there with them and needs to be appreciated way more for his delivery of lines and mannerism on screen. (And off!)
It was done in Australia by the Queen's representative, the Governor General, in 1973 when he dismissed the prime minister.
With some prodding from the CIA! And if you don’t believe me go read “The Falcon and the Snowman” or watch the movie which was ok, not great, but ok.
Yeah...that's was the Americans. Ambassador Green was fresh from couping Indonesia. Kerr was on their books.
@@sonarmb True. Elizabeth was never "our Caesar". Whoever pulls the strings in Washington DC was and is for the time be(j)ing. Democracy is a delusion, and a republic has a very limited shelf-life. It's been like that at least since Athens and Rome. We should have learned that by know. Democracy is mob rule manipulated by demagogues that ends in tyranny and a republic is a cover for oligarchy which inevitably devolves into an imperialist bureaucracy. Look at Trump and Biden: they embody a failed democratic republic behaving like an increasingly tyrannical empire.
Almost sparked a civil war?
@@mulamulelilumadi4717 Nah. Too well fed and entertained. It's how the caesars manage to rule so long: "bread and circuses"...
You had me at Charles Dance
Slight slip - 'train stations' . They were always called 'railway stations'.
Lol says who?
@@vulpes7079 Me. We called them railway stations in that era.
@@vulpes7079
It’s probably an American scriptwriter.
@@janel342 true
@@paulkirkland3263 fair enough, TIL
He is everywhere in movie and drama series
At 4:15 he says the Armed forces swear allegiance to the crown. I thought the Navy and Air Force do, but the Army does not. It's called the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force, but it's the British Army. I thought this was a consequence of the 1650 civil war, that parliament controls the ground forces. Has this changed?
the army still swears allegiance to the monarch as Commander in Chief. Parliament is required to pass an act to continue to maintain a standing army though.
@@ChaseWright516I thought the practice of an annual Army Act ended in 1955. There is no doubt an act that establishes and regulates the army but I don’t think it has to be renewed periodically.
He has such charisma.
Charles Dance could be reading off his grocery list and it would still sound like he's plotting to establish an empire ready for world domination.
I miss tywin so much i watched this despite never having seen the show
Tywin Lannister didnt die, he simply travelled dimensions
Reincarnated as Lord Louis Mountbatten. A Lannister and a Mountbatten always pays his debts 😉
And ten years later, the Australian Labour government was dismissed after first losing control of the Senate and then the money bills, using those Regent powers embodied through the Governor General.
A queen who has to say I am the queen is no true queen
In 2019 Boris Johnson facing questions about Brexit that he didn't want to answer advised the Queen to prorogue (suspend) Parliament for 5 weeks. Tested later in court, his advice was found to be unlawful and thus the prorogation, in that instance, invalid. The incident ddid however prove that the royal prerogative exists.
lord royce spotted
and cannot forget Charles Dance / tywin
Tywin & Lord Royce...
Yes
can't argue with Lord Tywin
No you can not!
At the 2:29 mark the gentleman in the middle and to the left look perfectly armless.
The only series that I have watched multiple times..
If there’s anyone who can pull off a coup de tat so ruthless and so efficient it’s Tywin Lannister.
South korea president needed charles dance to tell him his odds 😅
Tywin Lannister and Lord Royce having a lil talk
everybody recognizing charles dance as tywin but not Rupert Vansittart as Lord John Royce of the Vale in this scene
Well she found out before he asked and she gave him a very clear 'NO!'
Had it been anyone else other than Mountbatten, he of great war service and Royal blood, they would have been arrested for Subversion. Note not Treason becasue he was against the Government not the Monarch.
Beautifully played by Dance though.
Scenes like that are prime The Crown
4:25 so we just do an eides of march?
3:14 he always plays these sort of roles! 😂😂😂
I like his role in mini serie of and there were none, he play the charismatic judge
I wouldn’t have minded living in a world where the late Queen had the type of authority monarchs had 100yrs before
You would probably need the Greyjoy fleet too
What’s he gonna do? Go to Liz and say “ Any woman who must say ‘I am the queen’ is no true queen”?
3:02 gentlemen: 👁️ 👄 👁️
Regardless of whether this meeting really happened, I do find this an interesting thought exercise.
I am by no means an expert on this, but would the armed forces really obey such an order directly from the monarch? Even if they have sworn allegiance to him/her, does swearing allegiance mean you blindly obey them?
I suspect a lot depends on the respective popularities of the government and monarch in question.
I wish someone can come up with a new series with this storyline.
Korean here. Now I watch this scene more seriously.
You proved your country has robust enough institutions and public conscientiousness that it can overcome the tyranny that often times gripped it in the 1900s.
Caesar, and his assassination were down to an erosion of the rule of law. Sulla, Cataline, they'd all shown how exploitable the system was - Caesar both gained his immense power from the senate AND caused his own assassination because of that - that the Consulship had become a powerless office for the vain, and the normalisation of weapons being brought across Rome's outer limits, a previously death sentence crime.
I don't know what'll happen to Yoon, if this is a matter of a firing squad, but a transparent, open indictment will be just as necessary as stopping him in the first place for South Korea to show it's democratic foundations having set.
We got modern day Tywin Lannister before GTA 6
Universe has her secrets.
Damn, Charles Dance is looking fit.
Obviously this show exaggerates events, so he wasn't quite as blatant with the coup idea as he was here. Still I have a difficult time believing that he ever thought the Queen would be willing to entertain this. It seems pretty much contrary to everything she stood for.
'Unless......' I recall it being quietly well known at the time, that the Queen had sent the postulants packing with a (metaphorical) kick up the backside!! Less well known (though a guess would have been easy) was who exactly presented the idea and how.
Charles Dance needs to be M in the new James Bond, it is a role he is born to play
Ladies and gentlemen: I present to you Lion El'Jonson, Primarch of the First Legion and Firstborn Son of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all.
This is a Charles that can make them all Dance to his tunes, unlike some others.