Such a useful video for a real life set up I'm considering to do this week. Using Zoom H4N to record a wired lav mic and a boom at the same time. Both in mono using the stereo xlr inputs. This video helped me decide to record into the zoom and not directly into the camera
Note that for a self-powered microphone like the Rode VideoMic NTG, the regular old Rode VXLR would be a better choice. If you turn phantom power off and manually power on the VideoMic NTG before connecting it, you’ll need significantly less gain with the VXLR than the VXLR+ or similarly power-transforming adapter.
Interesting aspect to think about. I would actually also go for the non transformer adapter with the VideoMic NTG because it also adds a bit less noise. However, if going over greater distances, I would choose the new Røde VXLR Pro (crsp.li/VxlrPro) since that also makes it a balanced signal which is less prone to inferences.
My Tascam DR100 MIII has a plug in power option on the XLR ports. The 3.5 input and the XLR's sound the same when I use it with a mic requiring plug-in power. interest video and it got me to do the same tests on my recorder. All good to know.
Of course, the adapter does not make the mic balanced so it doesn't cancel noise floor. Also, it only takes signal on the + pin and grounds the - pin. So, as there is no inverted signal, the signal RMS is about half which is effectively -3dB. This has no effect on noise floor so turning up the volume +3dB increase the noise floor by +3dB. If you want to cancel noise floor you need to use a real balanced mic in the XLR port, not a converter. That or cancel the noise in DAW.
If you want to see a comparison of the VXLR Pro from rode (which has the electronics to do a balanced signal) you can do so on my channel. Additionally: I never expected the adapters to "reduce the noise floor" but there may be a difference in terms of how much noise the electronics/cabling introduce if any.
@@ChrisSpiegl Well, you mentioned the sound level difference between the TS connector and the XLR adapter. I was just clarifying that as the mic uses single ended (SE) signal, the SE TS plug gets the full available signal strength, but using TS into the multi point (MP) XLR adapter, effectively halves the signal strength from what is expected. That is the reason for lower volume with the adapter. I mentioned noise because the whole point of MP connection like XLR is noise cancellation. So I just pointed out that using that type of adapter negates the whole point of XLR input. So you may as well just stick with the TS input in this case. Shure, you have no option but to cobble SE to MP gear together in this way sometimes but the correct way to do that is with an audio transformer to convert the signal from SE to MP which this adapter does not do , thought the pro version seems to make that claim. Yeah, I am very familiar with the difference these types of connection make, thanks for the offer.
I was very disappointed with the VLXR+ and the added noise it creates. For very quit recording the sound floor is too hi for me. I tried using it with the Zoom F3 and set to 48v phantom power . When used with Clippy EM272Z1 Stereo or mono Microphones I think the power output is too low. I get better results with the Zoom H1 over the Zoom f3 VLXR+ combo.
hi cris brilliant video ! ,i need your guidance as i am looking for a way to use Sennheiser MKE 440 with zoom f3 .. confused with how to do that since its a stereo mic .. also what if phantom power mistakenly remained on ?
Phantom Power can damage microphones. It's unlikely with modern mics. But it can happen. When you have a stero mic going into the F3, you'd record them on separate tracks. On the F6 you can map channels to be paired as stereo channels going into one stereo file. I don't know if that works on the F3 since I have not used that model.
Many thanks for info. Just have small question, because VideoMic NTG has inbuilt battery so it should not need power. In that case, Can we just use 1/8 to 1/4 inch Jack converter and plug it into XLR port of H5? Also can similar method will work with Rode wireless go, as this also has inbuilt battery? Sorry for bother but some explainaton would be appreciated.
Hey, the solution you are looking for is described in my video about the Røde VXLR adapter. Please check that out: ruclips.net/video/sZY6OIFVIz0/видео.html Basically: you can use a Røde VXLR adapter which is relatively cheap with the mics you mentioned. But you will have to turn on the VideoMic NTG manually every time.
@@ChrisSpiegl thanks for the reply, I watched that video, and as per you explainaton, Rode Wireless go don't need any power. So by theory just using 3.5mm to 6.35 mm adapter would work perfectly fine. But in some other videos they report it didn't worked. So can you please confirm on it can work or not, and why? Many thanks for your time again 🙏🏻
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks for reply. So did you try and confirm whether it worked or not? As I'm planning to purchase Zoom H5 and Wireless go with ought VXLR+ adapter. Would really appreciate your response.
Edit: ok I watched your other video about VXLR vs VXLR+, where you explain that the electronic adds noise in the VXLR+. Sorry for the bother! I didn't understand which one has the lowest noise floor: the minijack, or the XLR? In the statistics, the VXLR+ seems to have the best amplitude... Thank you for your comparison! ;-)
Great you found the info anyways. The amplitude differences may also be in my speaking. 😅 And in turns of the VXLR vs. VXLR+ I hope you also understood that there is a difference that is important which you use for which mic. Happy recording. 🌸
Hi Thank you so mush it is help it me I have some question please I want get 2 mics ( rode videomic ntg ) with recorder zoom h5 or tascam dr 40x My question is 1 i want put both in xlr port can i used normal adepter rode vxlr or i need vxlr+ ? 2 the videomic ntg have phantom power so i dont need on it on recorder ? 3 if i forget and i left phantom power on with videomic ntg is the mic will get problem ? Thank you for this video
With the VideoMic NTG you are going to be ok with the RODE VXLR adapter. crsp.li/rodevxlr You are correct. You don’t need the phantom power there. It will probably be fine if you happen to leave phantom power on but it’s better to turn it of for sure. Though, if you never use the recorder for anything else you also will always have phantom power off. So there should not be any problem. My more important question would be: why buy two VideoMic NTG if you’re going to use an external recorder anyways? This ofcourse depends on your use case but if you are planning to podcast, I’d say there are better options out there. Hope the helps. 👋
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you so much for replay so with vxlr will be work fine and i did not need vxlr+ and the videomic ntg will work fin if i forget left phantom power on with vxlr ? And i need 2 mics only for i plan to open asmr channel to make real stereo sonund left and right 😊 And if you have other option please tell me and thank you 👍👍👍
@@MoElf I would actually look into different but very cheap microphones. There are tones on the market that go directly into the XLR port of the H5. Maybe this video could be interesting for you: ruclips.net/video/rr1-jS8YB-c/видео.html There you also have stereo mounting options but in some of them actually a cheaper setup.
2 very important questions 1 : if you use the 3.5mm port to plug in an external mic , can you use the backup feature ? so you record a duplicate signal at a lower gain for backup 2: does the 3.5mm port accepts line level or only mic level ? thank you
When you use the 3.5mm jack you do have the option to use the backup feature. In terms of 3.5mm and line level… I don't remember any more. I since sold the H5. Sorry.
Hey man, thanks for the video! Very insightful for what i need, I still have a question though... Do you think a Zoom R16 Multi-track recorder can supply plugin power for lavalier mics? I'm really on a budget at the moment and i'd like to know if I could just get the normal Røde vxlr to get signal into my Zoom R16? Could you shed any light? Thanks in advance!
Hi, whenever you need phantom power or plug in power (when using lavalier mics it's probably the later), you will most certainly not want to use the VXLR adapter but instead choose the VXLR Plus or Pro model. ruclips.net/video/AOmZ6H4aP7U/видео.html
Hey @Chris, how did you connect NTG to the top capsule? I couldn't. I had to use a TRRS to TRS adapter (used a Boya ...) but I got a lot of noise and a constant beeping sound... could you help me out? I couldn't get the clean sound you got... Tks man
With the Rode VideoMic NTG you have to turn on the PlugIn Power on the top capsule so that it triggers the auto power on of the NTG. Then you should not have the issues described - even with a TRRS to TRRS cable.
@@ChrisSpiegl Tks! I've done a factory reset on my Zoom h5 and after that, I was able to connect even without a TRRS to TRS adapter. It seems that Rode NTG is capable of recognizing the device it is connected to. Clean sound now... \o/
Hi! Great video! I have an H5 and a Rode Lavalier mic. I want to purchase the RODE VXLR+. What are the exact settings I need to use on the H5 to avoid damaging the mic, please? There are 3 options: 12v, 24v or 48v... or doesn't it matter? I understand that the lavalier only needs 2.5v? So how does that work? Is the RODE VXLR+ somehow stepping down the voltage?
The VXLR+ will take care of the phantom power and automatically turn it into Plug-In power (which the mic likely needs). This happens automatically and it does not matter if you set the Phantom Power to 12, 24 or 48v. I probably would choose the lowest value since it uses the least power (if I remember that correctly).
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks a lot for replying. I really appreciate it! And you're right, it needs plain power when I use it on the XY cartridge... I want to have a minimal setup for vox pop interviewing... I'll have the lav on me via xlr and use the xy for the interviewees..
Do you have a Rode Lavalier ? Then as far as I know that kind of mic does NOT neeed phantom power, just plugin power. If I am not wrong you can kill the lavalier when connected to phantom power...
Thank for the thoroughly crafted video! Do you have experience with any other adapters? (Non expensive ones) I want to use 2 generic unpowered headsets with 3,5mm jacks to record an interview. Can I just buy any random XLR to 3,5mm converter, then plug 1 headset into the top capsule and the other one into the bottom XLR adapter and then level out the voice level of the 2 speakers? Thanks!
Hi Jelly, I would be careful to assume that the headsets are unpowered since Plug In power is very easy to go unnoticed. Phones provide it, even laptops without one even noticing most of the time. Now, do you already own the H5 or a similar recorder? If so, you could definitely try out if your assumption about not needing power is correct by plugging one of the headsets into the top capsule and see if it works (with Plug In Power disabled). Now if all that turns out to be correct, then I would say you could probably use pretty much any cheap 3.5 to male-XLR adapter out there and it would work as described. However, one other thing that I would consider and possible take as a reason to use two 3.5 to XLR adapters instead of the top capsule: The top capsule will then record the audio into a Stereo file and not into mono like the two bottom XLR ports. So you may hear a difference in volume or have to split the files in post processing. It may just be easier to just buy two 3.5 to XLR adapters. Hope that helps and good luck.
@@ChrisSpiegl oh wow! Such a timely response! Thanks a ton. I just tested the 2 headsets and another pc headset and the all only show a level input when Plug in power is ON! Thanks for helping! Your advice with 2 XLR adapters is noted and will be considered!! The 2 headsets are mono mics (the pc headset a stereo) but as you said, when recording via the capsule, the right channel is ever so slightly picking up something, although the headset only inputs on L. well, the question is now: 2 cheap headsets paired with 2 adapters totalling ~50 Euro .... Is it worth it, or should I try to record the (podcast)interviews via the XY mic without headsets at all.... 🤔
From what I am reading, now you'd need something like the VXLR+ adapters which also convert Phantom power to Plug In Power if you'd want to use them with the XLR ports at the bottom. Now if it's worth it to you, depends obviously on what you are going for. I would probably lok into really cheap XLR mics but then you also need a stand. So with under 100 USD it's quite the challenge probably. I would probably say: just go with what you have right now and see if podcasting is right for you if money is a consideration. Do it for a few episodes with that setup, save a little and then get two XLR microphones. If necessary, there are some good XLR mics with head mounting. But then again… I'd still try to go for the Shure SM58 or something similar. About the capsule 3.5 mini jack: that's normal that if you only provide one side that the other has some noise in it in some setups. Best to just split the channels in post then you could still use the left channel audio (hopefully). Good luck 🌸
@@ChrisSpiegl Chris, that was immensely helpful and rest assured - you made our day by providing help! Very much appreciated! So it will either be a) 2 cheap t-bone headsets with XLRs from thomann for ~80 Euro seems also reasonable. b) use the current headsets with 1 converting XLR adapter for 25$ and plugging the other into the capsule and cutting the R channel in post and still be able to adjust speaker levels individually. C) the cheapskate version = plug both headsets with a Y-cable into the 3,5mm capsule jack and not be able to adjust speakers level ☺️ D) risky (unlikely) option = buy cheap converters and potentially overpower the headsets. C)record interview over XY Capsule without headsets
@@jelly.1899 pretty much. By the way, which Headset are you looking at at Thomann? I am German and know the company a bit. 😋 I think the xlr option is in any way the best. 😁
Other question please The cable come with videomic ntg it is trrs to trrs is that will work with rode vxlr or i need buy rode sc7 cable trrs femal to trs male ? Thank you
Hey I have a Deity v-mic D3 pro that I’m trying to plug in to the mini jack. It doesn’t seem to be overriding the built in XY mics, am I missing something silly?
You have to activate the Plugin Power for the XY capsule in the Zoom H5 so that the Deity V-Mic D3 actually powers on, since it does not have a power button really but just that weird standby mode.
The Rode VideoMicro needs Plug In power. If you want to use it with an audio recorder on an XLR plug, then you will need the VXLR+ or VXLR Pro and turn in Phantom power (which the adapter will then transform to Plug In Power). Hope that’s clear. I have a video comparing these adapters: ruclips.net/video/AOmZ6H4aP7U/видео.html
Did you plug the VideoMic Pro+ into the top capsule on the H6? If yes, then you have to turn on Plug-In Power in the settings of the H6 so that the mic automatically turns on.
I have an old version of the Rode Videomic (circa 2015). It is powered by a 9V battery. I just purchased the VXLR adapter (not the +). Is this the correct adapter? It was quite difficult for me to find any information confirming one way or the other on the Rode website. thanks!
@ChrisSpiegl so if I understood you correctly, you could burn the mic without the proper adapter? Let me explain why am I asking this. I have multiple lavalier microphones and a Zoom h5. So I wanted to connect one lavalier mic into the XLR port with a simple 3,5 mm (female) to 6,35 mm (male 1/4 inch) adapter. I was wondering how much phantom power do I need, but if I understood your point, that can't be done, because phantom power is too much for a lavalier and it could break the lavalier? So the only solution would be the Rode xlr+ adapter type? You probably saved me from ruining a lav mic. :)
If you are thinking about this for shooting video, I would go with the Røde VideoMic NTG. It's more directional and more versatile while making the video making process less complicated and cumbersome.
For your rode NTG mic, the original cable is TTRS to TTRS, do you need to change it to a TTRS to TRS cable and use it with the adaptor for input into the zoom? Does the zoom input only take TRS or can it take TTRS?
What is the max length the h5 can record? Can you sit down for an interview, and hit record, and just talk for 2 hours? The panasonic recorder I have dumps files out every 15 minutes, so I end up with a bunch of small files that I need to merge later. Annoying, but it does help when you reach a card limit, and only the last few minutes are gone, not the whole interview. Just wondering.
The H5 can record for at least 2 hours non stop and only has one file. I have never reached the card limit with what I was doing with it but I'd assume the recorder would finish the recording up and not corrupt it.
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks. That helps. I've seen audio files on websites that are 1-3 hours and they have that it was recorded with an H5. No way to contact them, so I was looking around. Every place just says how much audio you can record in total (after multiple files have been recorded). Not just the size of a single file.
Hello! thanks for the video. Can I use the TRS cable to connect my Tascam directly to the camera, to speak through the Tascam so that the sound goes directly to the camera and records it there?
You can record a maximum of 4 tracks. 2 XLR Microphones, both going into one Mono Track each. and one Stereo Audio Track which records either the X/Y Mic, or the 3.5mm jack mic.
🤦♂is not called minijack, jack and plug are just layman English for jack = female connector, plug = male connector. so that connector in the microphone would just be a 3.5 mm TRS plug.
Interesting, I don't have the Zoom H5 on my hands any more and can't confirm this. But I thought the Mic Port on the Capsule does allow for a Stereo signal to be recorded?
That probably should depend on your needs and distance to the mic. However, I am using it on 15 most of the time and just lower it when necessary. I’d rather have the VideoMic NTG on 15 and the audio recorder on a lower setting. And if the sound is clipping / crumbling then you can also engage the -20dB pad on the mic.
Hi ASMR Kichi, the Zoom H5 can not be used with a USB Microphone. It is used to record XLR microphones. Let me know if this is not what you are asking. But other than that good luck.
Depends: does the VideoMic Pro Plus have a TRRS cable or a TRS cable? You can always try it with the cable it comes with. But I have made the observation that mics which usually come with a TRRS cable should be used with a TRS cable in setups like these.
@@genocideist If you plug in the microphone to the XY capsule you will have to activate the Plug In Power there. Since the Plug In Power "triggers" the stand by / active mode on the VideoMic Pro+
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Such a useful video for a real life set up I'm considering to do this week. Using Zoom H4N to record a wired lav mic and a boom at the same time. Both in mono using the stereo xlr inputs. This video helped me decide to record into the zoom and not directly into the camera
Note that for a self-powered microphone like the Rode VideoMic NTG, the regular old Rode VXLR would be a better choice. If you turn phantom power off and manually power on the VideoMic NTG before connecting it, you’ll need significantly less gain with the VXLR than the VXLR+ or similarly power-transforming adapter.
Interesting aspect to think about. I would actually also go for the non transformer adapter with the VideoMic NTG because it also adds a bit less noise. However, if going over greater distances, I would choose the new Røde VXLR Pro (crsp.li/VxlrPro) since that also makes it a balanced signal which is less prone to inferences.
@@ChrisSpiegl Yeah, basically if your cable is longer than 10 feet, you should be using XLR. Or Dante. Or a wireless system.
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Good content. I am here to hear you not background music. Not needed at all.
good to know thanks.
Accidentally hit thumbs down, nothing thumbs down about this! Thanks for the helpful tips!
No worries! You can always click thumbs up again.
Thanks for this explanation video! I like the comparison of the port gain difference and the rode vxlr+ adapter.
My Tascam DR100 MIII has a plug in power option on the XLR ports. The 3.5 input and the XLR's sound the same when I use it with a mic requiring plug-in power. interest video and it got me to do the same tests on my recorder. All good to know.
Glad this video was helpful for you.
Yes, with different devices the results may vary.
Happy recording 🌸.
You are brilliant, Chris!
very helpful video, thank you!
Thank you, I appreciate that 👍.
Great video. Thank you for the information :-)
Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. I appreciate that 🌸.
Interesting video Chris. Thank you. Peter.
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you 🌸.
Of course, the adapter does not make the mic balanced so it doesn't cancel noise floor. Also, it only takes signal on the + pin and grounds the - pin. So, as there is no inverted signal, the signal RMS is about half which is effectively -3dB. This has no effect on noise floor so turning up the volume +3dB increase the noise floor by +3dB. If you want to cancel noise floor you need to use a real balanced mic in the XLR port, not a converter. That or cancel the noise in DAW.
If you want to see a comparison of the VXLR Pro from rode (which has the electronics to do a balanced signal) you can do so on my channel.
Additionally: I never expected the adapters to "reduce the noise floor" but there may be a difference in terms of how much noise the electronics/cabling introduce if any.
@@ChrisSpiegl Well, you mentioned the sound level difference between the TS connector and the XLR adapter. I was just clarifying that as the mic uses single ended (SE) signal, the SE TS plug gets the full available signal strength, but using TS into the multi point (MP) XLR adapter, effectively halves the signal strength from what is expected. That is the reason for lower volume with the adapter.
I mentioned noise because the whole point of MP connection like XLR is noise cancellation. So I just pointed out that using that type of adapter negates the whole point of XLR input. So you may as well just stick with the TS input in this case.
Shure, you have no option but to cobble SE to MP gear together in this way sometimes but the correct way to do that is with an audio transformer to convert the signal from SE to MP which this adapter does not do , thought the pro version seems to make that claim. Yeah, I am very familiar with the difference these types of connection make, thanks for the offer.
@@kenwebster5053 Thanks for your input. I understand what you mean now better with the lost 3db.
Great video. I just needed these infos.
Thank you ☺️
Thanks, definitely helpful 👏
Thank you 🌸.
I was very disappointed with the VLXR+ and the added noise it creates. For very quit recording the sound floor is too hi for me. I tried using it with the Zoom F3 and set to 48v phantom power . When used with Clippy EM272Z1 Stereo or mono Microphones I think the power output is too low. I get better results with the Zoom H1 over the Zoom f3 VLXR+ combo.
did you set the plugin power in H5 when using the VLXR+? any adjustment also in phantom power voltage when using the VLXR+?
great info👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you 🌸.
hi cris brilliant video ! ,i need your guidance as i am looking for a way to use Sennheiser MKE 440 with zoom f3 .. confused with how to do that since its a stereo mic .. also what if phantom power mistakenly remained on ?
Phantom Power can damage microphones. It's unlikely with modern mics. But it can happen. When you have a stero mic going into the F3, you'd record them on separate tracks. On the F6 you can map channels to be paired as stereo channels going into one stereo file. I don't know if that works on the F3 since I have not used that model.
Many thanks for info. Just have small question, because VideoMic NTG has inbuilt battery so it should not need power. In that case, Can we just use 1/8 to 1/4 inch Jack converter and plug it into XLR port of H5?
Also can similar method will work with Rode wireless go, as this also has inbuilt battery?
Sorry for bother but some explainaton would be appreciated.
Hey, the solution you are looking for is described in my video about the Røde VXLR adapter.
Please check that out: ruclips.net/video/sZY6OIFVIz0/видео.html
Basically: you can use a Røde VXLR adapter which is relatively cheap with the mics you mentioned. But you will have to turn on the VideoMic NTG manually every time.
@@ChrisSpiegl thanks for the reply, I watched that video, and as per you explainaton, Rode Wireless go don't need any power. So by theory just using 3.5mm to 6.35 mm adapter would work perfectly fine. But in some other videos they report it didn't worked. So can you please confirm on it can work or not, and why? Many thanks for your time again 🙏🏻
@@sp34531 That's sounds about right.
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks for reply. So did you try and confirm whether it worked or not? As I'm planning to purchase Zoom H5 and Wireless go with ought VXLR+ adapter. Would really appreciate your response.
@@sp34531 You can plug the Wireless Go into the upper capsule mini jack. You can also use the VXLR adapter.
Thanks. I was wondering wether the MIC/LINE IN on top disables the onboard mics, and you mentioned it. I did not find that info elsewhere.
thanks
You're welcome 🌸.
Helpful video, great content. May I ask which audio set up are you using for your video
My setup is described in this video: ruclips.net/video/9sxOtpaJnNk/видео.html
And is linked in the description of most of my newer videos.
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you!
Will the Zoom Recorder + Lav Mic improve the overall audio quality compared to just using the Lav Mic plugged into an iPhone?
Edit: ok I watched your other video about VXLR vs VXLR+, where you explain that the electronic adds noise in the VXLR+. Sorry for the bother!
I didn't understand which one has the lowest noise floor: the minijack, or the XLR? In the statistics, the VXLR+ seems to have the best amplitude... Thank you for your comparison! ;-)
Great you found the info anyways. The amplitude differences may also be in my speaking. 😅
And in turns of the VXLR vs. VXLR+ I hope you also understood that there is a difference that is important which you use for which mic.
Happy recording. 🌸
Hi
Thank you so mush it is help it me
I have some question please
I want get 2 mics ( rode videomic ntg ) with recorder zoom h5 or tascam dr 40x
My question is
1 i want put both in xlr port can i used normal adepter rode vxlr or i need vxlr+ ?
2 the videomic ntg have phantom power so i dont need on it on recorder ?
3 if i forget and i left phantom power on with videomic ntg is the mic will get problem ?
Thank you for this video
With the VideoMic NTG you are going to be ok with the RODE VXLR adapter. crsp.li/rodevxlr
You are correct. You don’t need the phantom power there. It will probably be fine if you happen to leave phantom power on but it’s better to turn it of for sure. Though, if you never use the recorder for anything else you also will always have phantom power off. So there should not be any problem.
My more important question would be: why buy two VideoMic NTG if you’re going to use an external recorder anyways? This ofcourse depends on your use case but if you are planning to podcast, I’d say there are better options out there.
Hope the helps. 👋
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you so much for replay so with vxlr will be work fine and i did not need vxlr+ and the videomic ntg will work fin if i forget left phantom power on with vxlr ?
And i need 2 mics only for i plan to open asmr channel to make real stereo sonund left and right 😊
And if you have other option please tell me and thank you 👍👍👍
@@MoElf I would actually look into different but very cheap microphones. There are tones on the market that go directly into the XLR port of the H5. Maybe this video could be interesting for you: ruclips.net/video/rr1-jS8YB-c/видео.html
There you also have stereo mounting options but in some of them actually a cheaper setup.
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you
2 very important questions
1 : if you use the 3.5mm port to plug in an external mic , can you use the backup feature ?
so you record a duplicate signal at a lower gain for backup
2: does the 3.5mm port accepts line level or only mic level ?
thank you
When you use the 3.5mm jack you do have the option to use the backup feature.
In terms of 3.5mm and line level… I don't remember any more. I since sold the H5. Sorry.
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you so much
Hey man, thanks for the video! Very insightful for what i need, I still have a question though... Do you think a Zoom R16 Multi-track recorder can supply plugin power for lavalier mics? I'm really on a budget at the moment and i'd like to know if I could just get the normal Røde vxlr to get signal into my Zoom R16? Could you shed any light? Thanks in advance!
Hi, whenever you need phantom power or plug in power (when using lavalier mics it's probably the later), you will most certainly not want to use the VXLR adapter but instead choose the VXLR Plus or Pro model.
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@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks Chris!
Thx
You're welcome 🌸.
Hey @Chris, how did you connect NTG to the top capsule? I couldn't. I had to use a TRRS to TRS adapter (used a Boya ...) but I got a lot of noise and a constant beeping sound... could you help me out? I couldn't get the clean sound you got... Tks man
With the Rode VideoMic NTG you have to turn on the PlugIn Power on the top capsule so that it triggers the auto power on of the NTG. Then you should not have the issues described - even with a TRRS to TRRS cable.
@@ChrisSpiegl Tks! I've done a factory reset on my Zoom h5 and after that, I was able to connect even without a TRRS to TRS adapter. It seems that Rode NTG is capable of recognizing the device it is connected to. Clean sound now... \o/
@@IgorNassif Yes, that's what the VideoMic NTG is supposed to do… Recognize the device on the other side. Glad you got it working.
Hi! Great video! I have an H5 and a Rode Lavalier mic. I want to purchase the RODE VXLR+. What are the exact settings I need to use on the H5 to avoid damaging the mic, please? There are 3 options: 12v, 24v or 48v... or doesn't it matter? I understand that the lavalier only needs 2.5v? So how does that work? Is the RODE VXLR+ somehow stepping down the voltage?
The VXLR+ will take care of the phantom power and automatically turn it into Plug-In power (which the mic likely needs). This happens automatically and it does not matter if you set the Phantom Power to 12, 24 or 48v. I probably would choose the lowest value since it uses the least power (if I remember that correctly).
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks a lot for replying. I really appreciate it! And you're right, it needs plain power when I use it on the XY cartridge... I want to have a minimal setup for vox pop interviewing... I'll have the lav on me via xlr and use the xy for the interviewees..
Do you have a Rode Lavalier ? Then as far as I know that kind of mic does NOT neeed phantom power, just plugin power. If I am not wrong you can kill the lavalier when connected to phantom power...
I just want to plug a dynamic mic (sig and shield into a mic input to cover L @ R. How?
Hey Chris, Is zoom h5 good for capturing natural sounds?
Sure, the H5 is still a good audio recorder and with the built in XY capsule you also have a good quality mic already built in.
Thanks
Welcome
Thank for the thoroughly crafted video! Do you have experience with any other adapters? (Non expensive ones)
I want to use 2 generic unpowered headsets with 3,5mm jacks to record an interview.
Can I just buy any random XLR to 3,5mm converter, then plug 1 headset into the top capsule and the other one into the bottom XLR adapter and then level out the voice level of the 2 speakers? Thanks!
Hi Jelly, I would be careful to assume that the headsets are unpowered since Plug In power is very easy to go unnoticed. Phones provide it, even laptops without one even noticing most of the time.
Now, do you already own the H5 or a similar recorder? If so, you could definitely try out if your assumption about not needing power is correct by plugging one of the headsets into the top capsule and see if it works (with Plug In Power disabled).
Now if all that turns out to be correct, then I would say you could probably use pretty much any cheap 3.5 to male-XLR adapter out there and it would work as described. However, one other thing that I would consider and possible take as a reason to use two 3.5 to XLR adapters instead of the top capsule:
The top capsule will then record the audio into a Stereo file and not into mono like the two bottom XLR ports. So you may hear a difference in volume or have to split the files in post processing. It may just be easier to just buy two 3.5 to XLR adapters.
Hope that helps and good luck.
@@ChrisSpiegl oh wow! Such a timely response! Thanks a ton.
I just tested the 2 headsets and another pc headset and the all only show a level input when Plug in power is ON! Thanks for helping!
Your advice with 2 XLR adapters is noted and will be considered!! The 2 headsets are mono mics (the pc headset a stereo) but as you said, when recording via the capsule, the right channel is ever so slightly picking up something, although the headset only inputs on L.
well, the question is now: 2 cheap headsets paired with 2 adapters totalling ~50 Euro .... Is it worth it, or should I try to record the (podcast)interviews via the XY mic without headsets at all.... 🤔
From what I am reading, now you'd need something like the VXLR+ adapters which also convert Phantom power to Plug In Power if you'd want to use them with the XLR ports at the bottom.
Now if it's worth it to you, depends obviously on what you are going for.
I would probably lok into really cheap XLR mics but then you also need a stand. So with under 100 USD it's quite the challenge probably.
I would probably say: just go with what you have right now and see if podcasting is right for you if money is a consideration. Do it for a few episodes with that setup, save a little and then get two XLR microphones. If necessary, there are some good XLR mics with head mounting. But then again… I'd still try to go for the Shure SM58 or something similar.
About the capsule 3.5 mini jack: that's normal that if you only provide one side that the other has some noise in it in some setups. Best to just split the channels in post then you could still use the left channel audio (hopefully).
Good luck 🌸
@@ChrisSpiegl Chris, that was immensely helpful and rest assured - you made our day by providing help! Very much appreciated! So it will either be
a) 2 cheap t-bone headsets with XLRs from thomann for ~80 Euro seems also reasonable.
b) use the current headsets with 1 converting XLR adapter for 25$ and plugging the other into the capsule and cutting the R channel in post and still be able to adjust speaker levels individually.
C) the cheapskate version = plug both headsets with a Y-cable into the 3,5mm capsule jack and not be able to adjust speakers level ☺️
D) risky (unlikely) option = buy cheap converters and potentially overpower the headsets.
C)record interview over XY Capsule without headsets
@@jelly.1899 pretty much. By the way, which Headset are you looking at at Thomann? I am German and know the company a bit. 😋
I think the xlr option is in any way the best. 😁
Other question please
The cable come with videomic ntg it is trrs to trrs is that will work with rode vxlr or i need buy rode sc7 cable trrs femal to trs male ?
Thank you
The Rode VideoMic NTG automatically detects if it needs to send a TRS or TRRS signal. So you don’t need that extra SC7 adapter.
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you so much
Hey I have a Deity v-mic D3 pro that I’m trying to plug in to the mini jack. It doesn’t seem to be overriding the built in XY mics, am I missing something silly?
You have to activate the Plugin Power for the XY capsule in the Zoom H5 so that the Deity V-Mic D3 actually powers on, since it does not have a power button really but just that weird standby mode.
Could the Videomicro work with the VXLR(without the +)?
The Rode VideoMicro needs Plug In power. If you want to use it with an audio recorder on an XLR plug, then you will need the VXLR+ or VXLR Pro and turn in Phantom power (which the adapter will then transform to Plug In Power).
Hope that’s clear.
I have a video comparing these adapters: ruclips.net/video/AOmZ6H4aP7U/видео.html
Hi I have zoom H6, i put on my video mic pro plus, but it won't turn on, am i missing something? can you help me?
Did you plug the VideoMic Pro+ into the top capsule on the H6?
If yes, then you have to turn on Plug-In Power in the settings of the H6 so that the mic automatically turns on.
@@ChrisSpiegl Yes Chris, okey Ill try it, thank you so much chris
I have an old version of the Rode Videomic (circa 2015). It is powered by a 9V battery. I just purchased the VXLR adapter (not the +). Is this the correct adapter? It was quite difficult for me to find any information confirming one way or the other on the Rode website. thanks!
If you can turn the mic on individually (with a power button), then you should be able to use the VXLR adapter.
@ChrisSpiegl so if I understood you correctly, you could burn the mic without the proper adapter?
Let me explain why am I asking this. I have multiple lavalier microphones and a Zoom h5. So I wanted to connect one lavalier mic into the XLR port with a simple 3,5 mm (female) to 6,35 mm (male 1/4 inch) adapter. I was wondering how much phantom power do I need, but if I understood your point, that can't be done, because phantom power is too much for a lavalier and it could break the lavalier?
So the only solution would be the Rode xlr+ adapter type?
You probably saved me from ruining a lav mic. :)
Hi, quick question, is the XY capsule good enough to be my main microphone or is the NTG better?
*I’m thinking about getting either an H5 or NTG*
If you are thinking about this for shooting video, I would go with the Røde VideoMic NTG. It's more directional and more versatile while making the video making process less complicated and cumbersome.
Can we use the XY mic + the XLR for podcasting purposes ？
Yes, you can use the XY Mic while using the XLR ports for other microphones.
For your rode NTG mic, the original cable is TTRS to TTRS, do you need to change it to a TTRS to TRS cable and use it with the adaptor for input into the zoom? Does the zoom input only take TRS or can it take TTRS?
You can use the TRRS cable that comes with the Røde VideoMic NTG because it auto detects which connection type it should use.
ok thanks!!@@ChrisSpiegl
What are the metal bars on the H5? Thry aren't on H6
I think they were trying to make it "safer not to accidentally turn the gain" but then decided that it was not necessary in the next versions.
What is the max length the h5 can record?
Can you sit down for an interview, and hit record, and just talk for 2 hours?
The panasonic recorder I have dumps files out every 15 minutes, so I end up with a bunch of small files that I need to merge later. Annoying, but it does help when you reach a card limit, and only the last few minutes are gone, not the whole interview.
Just wondering.
The H5 can record for at least 2 hours non stop and only has one file. I have never reached the card limit with what I was doing with it but I'd assume the recorder would finish the recording up and not corrupt it.
@@ChrisSpiegl Thanks. That helps.
I've seen audio files on websites that are 1-3 hours and they have that it was recorded with an H5. No way to contact them, so I was looking around. Every place just says how much audio you can record in total (after multiple files have been recorded). Not just the size of a single file.
Hello! thanks for the video. Can I use the TRS cable to connect my Tascam directly to the camera, to speak through the Tascam so that the sound goes directly to the camera and records it there?
If your Tascam has either a headphone or line out port than you should be able to do that.
Can you record from with two xlr mic plus a 3.5 jack mic at the same time?
You can record a maximum of 4 tracks.
2 XLR Microphones, both going into one Mono Track each.
and one Stereo Audio Track which records either the X/Y Mic, or the 3.5mm jack mic.
Can I use both the 3.5mm input and XLR inputs at the same time/simultaneously?
Yes, the 3.5mm input will replace the top mic, but the two XLR ports on the bottom stay active.
@@ChrisSpiegl Thank you Chris 👍🏿
is this h5 good sesitive enough to record food ASMR ?plan to put it arround 30 cm from my mouth
It's not the best but surely it would work for that use case.
Would a binaural mic work with the mini jack?
I don't have the device on my hands any more but I think the input at the top is a stereo input which should support a Binaural Mic.
🤦♂is not called minijack, jack and plug are just layman English for jack = female connector, plug = male connector. so that connector in the microphone would just be a 3.5 mm TRS plug.
Can we use both at the same time?
No, it’s either 3.5mm jack or stereo capsule.
@@ChrisSpiegl thanks so much
How did you record both channels with the 3.5mm microphone jack? I tried this and I can only record the right channel : (
Interesting, I don't have the Zoom H5 on my hands any more and can't confirm this. But I thought the Mic Port on the Capsule does allow for a Stereo signal to be recorded?
@@ChrisSpiegl, it doesn’t, as far as I can tell.
@@birbs4life174 ok, that’s too bad. I hope you find a solution for your use-case.
Does same work for Zoom H8 ?
Should work there as well - granted it is a newer device so don't see why it would not.
So the standard gain knob for recording in studio is set to 15 for Videomic NTG?
That probably should depend on your needs and distance to the mic. However, I am using it on 15 most of the time and just lower it when necessary.
I’d rather have the VideoMic NTG on 15 and the audio recorder on a lower setting.
And if the sound is clipping / crumbling then you can also engage the -20dB pad on the mic.
how do I set up with usb mic?
Hi ASMR Kichi, the Zoom H5 can not be used with a USB Microphone. It is used to record XLR microphones. Let me know if this is not what you are asking. But other than that good luck.
I used h5 to record from mixer and batteries drained so fast. Any ways to fix this?
Use better batteries? I never had that issue and I used Eneloop rechargable batteries.
I think your video is overexposed. Nice video nonetheless. Just thought I let you know.
do i need specific cable for plugin videomic pro plus to the capsule? or it can be used with the cable from videomicpro plus?
Depends: does the VideoMic Pro Plus have a TRRS cable or a TRS cable?
You can always try it with the cable it comes with. But I have made the observation that mics which usually come with a TRRS cable should be used with a TRS cable in setups like these.
@@ChrisSpiegl it has the TRS cable , Chris. Do I need to activate the plugin power on the XY CAPSULE too Chris?
@@genocideist If you plug in the microphone to the XY capsule you will have to activate the Plug In Power there. Since the Plug In Power "triggers" the stand by / active mode on the VideoMic Pro+