After decades of riding Harley's and Victory's. I added a T120 to my fleet and now it's the bike I ride the most. I feel like I graduated to a new level.
The US model of the T120 doesn’t have “daytime running lights” or a DRL switch . When you turn on the bike the headlight is in normal mode and there a switch to turn on/off the hi-beam. The bike is bigger than the speed twin ( has a different frame ) so it is going to be heavier. Compared to my Ninja 650, I don’t notice and significant weight difference. My 650 has gotten little use since I bought the T120.
I have the same headlight/drl/idiot light setup on my Speedmaster. To me, it makes sense. You're going to want your headlight on at night, generally. What you don't want is a bright green light on the clocks causing an unnecessary distraction in the dark. At first I thought it was a little arse about face, but after 5 minutes or so I got my head round the concept fine. Nice video, once again. Stunning looking bike, nearly as good looking as my Speedy!
I believe the headlights should come on automatically. As the rider you should only have the option of high/low - in the name of safety and visibility. Paul Kinsella - I’d agree with you, a green light at night would be distracting. I don’t have one of these bikes myself, but I think it would be very cool if the DTRL was only visible when the ignition was turned on, and as soon as the engine cranks the DTRL stayed on with your choice of high/low headlights as standard…no need for a green warming light at all 😊
Love your channel. I bought my T120 a year ago and did 11,000 miles my first year. It’s performance is amazing once stock pipes are gone and decat performed. I rode all over the Deep South of the US with no windshield. It’s amazing! Thank you for the video!
The T120 is the best looking Triumph Classics of them all. And by far the most comfortable. As a 50+ man this bike really is the best alternative. After riding both the Thruxton and the Bonnie I really must say that the Bonnie is a pure delight and the Thruxton a torturing device. ; )
I bought a new T120 two years ago and I've put 3800 around-town miles on it. I have to agree it is expensive but that's OK. I've never felt the bike was too heavy while moving it around the garage. By far my favorite characteristic is the way the engine makes power! Gobs of low-end grunt and great sounds! I also enjoy the appearance of the bike. Just today a woman shouted at me as I left the parking lot, "what sort of bike is that? It looks awesome!"
Loved the ‘Hey Kids’ intro… a throwback to the good ole days! Let’s be honest, most of us riding motorcycles are just big kids. My vote is to bring it back, full time 🙏🏻👍🏻💯🔝🎥🎬🆒
Good review Andy. I find the T120 a great companion and a charming bike to ride. It has plenty of power for the market it is aimed at. Those who want more from a Triumph can buy one of the triples. I tested the T120 back-to-back with a Z900RS and the Triumph - for me - had the character at "real world" speeds that the Kawasaki lacks. I will now make another unfair comparison. Given the choice between a new Interceptor and a 2 year old, showroom condition T120 with 2,500 on the clock for under £8K, I did not hesitate for a moment.
Another great video…….got a point to raise though. You say your second dislike is the price of the bike and question weather it is worth the 10k pounds. But then your second best like is the fit and finish of the bike and all the extra little trinkets that come on it. Well, it’s the fit and finish of the Triumph and all those little trinkets that add up to the 10k pounds. Just my two cents. Love your videos. Keep it up. 👍👍👍
I had to raise the bars and reupholstered the seat for it to be comfortable, fitting an x pipe reduced the jerkyness in first and second gear, owned my 2016 one for just over three years now and it's a keeper.
I've owned my 2017 Thruxton 1200 since new and I love it. I too thought that the dip beam light on the dashboard was a bit odd but as others have said it makes sense at night. It's simply a feelgood machine and fixes most of the things about my previous 865cc Thruxton that I wanted to change.
I had a T120 for a couple of years, modified it a bit and loved it. It one of those few vehicles, in my opinion, that makes you feel a certain way when you ride/drive it, by which I mean the original Mini, VW bus, Beetle. It almost like a time machine that takes you to a better time and place. I think my jet lag is kicking in! 🤪
Love it. Great paint and it's great to see that style persevering but with modern manufacturing. This bike looks even cleaner and even more retro than the actual original.
I have had my (2016) T120 for the past 6 months. I would concur about the weight (try getting it onto the centre stand !!). But once on the go, its superb. Very stable and the grunt is in the right area. One thing you have not commented on is the iffy low speed running, which many owners experience. I have (like many) fitted a power plug, which improves matters, but at low revs it still has patches of 'hunting' and surging. Other than that, its one of the best bikes I (at the grand age of 68) have the pleasure of owning.
I have a 2017 T120 and I love it. Great "almost do it all bike". I think we have to mention its low fuel consumption when compared of what it offers in terms of power and torque. Greetings from Rio de Janeiro !
Owning a Goldwing, and a Harley, and a T120, the Bonneville is like riding a bicycle compared to the others, so I guess weight is what your used to. Of the three I like the T120 best. All of my bikes are good for what they are designed for but I find pure joy in the Triumph. My biggest complaint about it is no self canceling turn signals. This can really be a safety issue considering the gauge cluster is hard to see in bright sunlight. I also don’t like the tubed tires, no way for me to fix a flat on the road. I’ve already been stranded twice as a results. There are better ways to do spoked wheels and I don’t suppose it would cost triumph extra to do them that way. The stock Pirelli’s are not good but that is a temporary problem.
Never had that issue with my RE. I had problems in the first 300 miles; Dodgy ignition barrel, collected and fixed by my dealership. Properly good support from RE! Been a spanking bike ever since.
@@ThiefOfNavarre glad your happy with your bike, I had an Himalayan too and RE didn't want to know about problems with that too, burnt twice now, never going back to them.
Good job. As a former rider of 60s era Bonnies, I apreciate the new ones.In fact I love the new ones so much that I bought a 22 Bobber! Happy Motoring.
Great video yet again, I have just bought myself a t120 and I love it. That engine is something to behold, it just feels great. I do understand the back and forth between the Interceptor and the T120 in regard to which to buy as I've just been through it myself. Finally it was my wife (she's a keeper, coming up 32 years now) who said to me not to let price be a factor and go with the bike that made me grin the most. I did and am very happy, the Interceptor is a fantastic bike though and I get why it's so popular. I do love that bonne engine and the looks of the bike. Ride what makes you grin.
Love this comment I was in the exact same position and my partner convinced me to go with a 2nd hand t120 black over a showroom interceptor. The 650cc enfields are absolutely brilliant bikes and price aside its great to see a pretty authentic learner friendly entry to classic British motorcycling. As much as I adore my triumph I'd never hesitate to recommend an interceptor to a new rider, ride what makes you smile completely agree 👍
First of all, I do not own a Triumph, but if I did it would be the Bonneville T120 Gold Line. Yes, even MORE expensive, but the good looks has got me in a spell. I love the peashooter silencers of a Bonneville and the proper rear mud guard. The Gold Like paint scheme with the British Racing greeen and the silver on the side of the fuel tank and both mud guards are painted to match the side of the tank. I'd buy one today if I could. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.
Agree about the lights. Daylight should be on always until you switch to the night lights. To me 224 kg is light compared to what I’m used; my bike is about 250 kg. Quite heavy to move around. I sit on it when moving it around; just in case.
Capability for Customization is another plus. In addition to the 100+ OEM parts offered by Triumph, companies like Motone Customs and British Customs each make dozens of add-ons and upgrades for the Bonneville range.
Hi Andy ! Well I have actually ordered the 2022 Matt Black / Silver Graphite Triumph Bonneville T120. The new generation per se. Yes even I moan about the weight and chucking it around corners and my garage. We will disagree on the light switch however. I pick the bike up in late January 2022. Wish me luck. A little expensive I agree. I think their are 11 changes for the new generation, and 7 significant ones. All the best my UK friends for your winter riding , Summer for us now. Auckland. NZ. Regards John.
Good to see another Triumph review and some interesting points here. On the subject of the DRL's, the headlight button on my 1200 scrambler has a mid position on the switch, which just leaves the DRL's on as the default setting when you turn the ignition on and then you can click the switch either way for high or dipped beam... Are the T120's controls different? Cost-wise, the comparison with the RE Interceptor is a bit unfair, because it substantially undercuts virtually an anything on the market. It's also, apart from being a retro twin, a completely different beast in terms of capacity, performance, build quality etc. A fairer comparison would be with something like the BMW NineT, which even in its most basic, low spec form (the Pure) is more expensive than the T120, with much lower equipment levels.
Thanks for an up front honest personal review of the 2021 T120. I nearly did buy a T100 3 years ago when I followed yr RE650 reviews that then convinced me to buy new and a smaller bike. The T120 has bags of Torque and character, but yes is heavy and priced into a spec price band - vs Speed Twin, Bobber, Speed Triple, Trident 660, etc...
Now that I've had my T120 for a few weeks now....agree with you on all...the engine in 2/3/4 gears has the aggressiveness you look for...agree as well how cumbersome to move around in the garage or parking lot....but looks...engine are fantastic....enjoy!!!
I grew up riding on the back of my dad's old Bonneville's, and love these new ones too. Was looking into getting myself one but it was the price and the weight that put me off! Going instead with a Royal Enfield. It seems my dad (and his sore knee) agree as he now has a continental GT. Great video 👍
Triumph have handed Royal Enfield their huge UK market share with their pricing, they might have just got away with the premium pricing if they had all been screwed together in Hinckley England. The Bonneville is a great looking bike if your pockets are deep enough.
Exactly. When I bought my old 790 it proudly said 'made in England ' on the side. And in real terms they are more expensive now! Enfield, in my opinion, is as British a brand as triumph now, so it comes down to value. And, although Enfield are built to a budget, I don't feel triumphs are £3000+ higher in quality....
@@robbikebob Everything is more expensive these days. The idea of spending 50% of your salary on a toy is too much. Manufacturers cant work out why younger people arent buying motorbikes. They cant afford essentials let alone expensive toys
You risk the wrath of the Triumphants if you dare criticise the brand. I once said there isn't a bike of theirs I like and got buried. But it is the only make I know where there is nothing I like or find interesting.
Yes, I think iam done with Triumph,I would rather have a British designed bike made in India, than a British designed bike made in Thailand, especially considering the price..
People who have been on the Hinckley factory tour recently have been told that the factory is gearing up to start producing popular European models again. We can only hope....
Purely because of your original T120 revue I purchased one. I’m a “return to motorcycling” (35 year hiatus) retired old git and this bike ticks all the boxes. It’s bloody brilliant! I’m also very happy with the model I have (2019) which by comparison to the 2022 model gives me a centre-stand, chrome wheels (I love shiny things), a rear grab rail and a better paint scheme at the cost of a few engine upgrades and cruise control. The bike I have now is a bit better than when I first got it. I have replaced the original Pirelli Phantom tyres with Avon Spirit ST’s - what an improvement! Also the bike has been de-cat’ed and a TEC X-pipe installed in its place. The engine now feels more eager, especially low down and has a slightly better exhaust note; nothing anti-social just a bit of a rasp. I have no plans to swap this bike in the near future but if I did it would be for something like the Kawasaki Z900 RS. I agree with your opinion on every point except for the DRL indicator. You always have a light on by default making you more visible. As Paul Kinsella said in a previous comment, what you don’t want is an unnecessary light shining in your face at night; let’s face it, it’s a bit obvious if it’s not on in the dark and who cares during the day? That was still a great TMF review though.
I do love the looks of the Triumph T-120, but I prefer the riding position of the Triumph Speed-Master. Yes, I know it has the same engine and all, but for an old Geezer like me, I prefer feet forward and I also like the idea of 12 inch ape handlebars. With a nice sissy bar on the back to strap my gear to, I could travel all over the country the way I did in the late 60s and early 70s on my Honda 350 two cylinder.
I just bought one of these in the states and it was just shy of 13000.00. I love it. It's fast,handles good, sounds good. It's actually my second bonneville. I bought a new one back in 1967, a 650 cc back then. I don't think it's too heavy at all. Of course I do ride a road king also. Nice review 👍😀 And ohh yes, that one in 67 costs just shy of 1300.00. But I must say,there is no comparison.
I had that exact same model and got rid of it because of how jerky the fueling was, especially around 40-45mph. Dealer could never solve the problem and seemed poor for, as you say, quite a pricey bike. Traded for a Street Triple that is marvelous !
Thanks....I've ordered the 2022 T120 BLK...been two months waiting...so thanks for teasing me...Haha....great stuff as usual....cheers from across the pond!!!
Im 63 had just about evry make of motor cycle harley was my favorite then indian at my age they became cumbersome bulky i now have a 2023 T120..for me I absolutely love it the thrill is back its totally stock im not planing on doing any changes put your light weight back pack on and ride it any distance any where. This bike is a keeper!
"Where the hell am I ?" Thought that was what biking was about, just get off the beaten track follow the front wheel and find a pub or cafe you've not been to before. .😊😊😊 Great reviews Andy, keep them coming, gets us through the dark nights.👍
Love my T120 Black, has it for 2 years. I think the newer model is a bit lighter but loses out on some stuff to keep down costs. Great all rounder, although now thinking about a Speedmaster for the lower seat height.
Great vid Andy. And having test ridden the T120 when it first came out I'd agree. As you know, Kels and I plumped for a new T100 in July this year and we love it. It's literally 3/4 of the T120 in every sense and for us is perfect. I don't miss the 6th gear of the bigger bike as I feel that up to 75mph the little brother is still only pulling 4000 rpm and sits quite happily at that engine speed. For the kind of bike they are, that's perfectly adequate. It's more nimble too - not having the weight and gyroscopic effect of twin front discs. Please revisit the T100 when you can, I'm sure the upgrades will address most of the factors you found issue with when you last rode one. I'd love to hear your updated view?
I just picked up a left over 2020 3 months ago here in Canada. Put a detachable shield on it as well as the Triumph cruise, backrest and rack. Already have over 5,000 km on it and have done over 900 km in a day. Great little bike. Over here we don't have the switch for DRL, the DRL and headlight are on at all times.
I’m still riding my 2017 T120 that I bought new. There is something about this bike that makes it extra special. I’ve had a lot of motorcycles of all makes and models and nothing has compared to the T120. The power delivery coming out of the corners are really amazing! I am interested in getting a Kawasaki 900RS but I’m sure I will always keep the Bonnie!
Love this review, i agree about the light thing. The weight is not an issue to me or for me. The value, well I do believe it is worth the money, I just think that the enfield is exceptional value for money and therefore gives the illusion of T120 being a bit pricey. I love my T120 and see the Enfield as a possible affordable addition to the stable but not a replacement. Love the channel.
How many times have I pulled Triumph about poor colour choices? Damn me! They’ve done a cracking job with that Black option, looks stunning in the sunlight.
Had my T120 Black for 6 months now and I love it. My other dislikes would be cheap levers, awkward side stand and worst of all having to take the silencer off to re-tension the chain. Having said that the positives far out way the niggles.
Hi. Loving the reviews! I have a Triumph Speedmaster and have to say I agree with Triumph regarding the running lights. The running lights are extra, extra bright and would dazzle other motorists if used at night. So the warning light is to remind you to turn on your dipped headlights at night if you forget. If there's was no warning light as you suggest, then we would all be merrily riding round at night with our running lights on and wondering why other drivers are giving you unusual hand signals!
Had the ace t120 over the cat and fiddle in the snow, what a champion. Tied t100, 2 years ago and wasn't anywhere as reassuring. Tiger 900 gt, t120 was a really lovely bike
Great vid as usual I suspect that the reason they have the warning lights set up,in that way is to warn you that you are only on DRL ‘s and not on full head lights probably for legal reasons as some people might not notice they are on DRL’s and ride on into the night or into bade weather only on DRL’s 👍
Agree with you on the Running lights, but it's a different format for the States. You can't compare the T-120 to a Royal Enfield; they are crap. Totally agree it's too heavy, but they did reduce the weight on the 2022 models. The thing I hated the most was the gearing. I had to add two teeth on the rear in order to make it rideable. Also recommend a de-cat and booster plug to get rid of the jerky throttle.
I have a t120 and this powerplant image speedtwin chassis would be my ideal as I found the speedtwin too thrashy by comparison but a more fun bike handlingwise
Surprised that you didnt mention in the vid that the model ridden was NOT the latest model with cruise control, lighter rims and Brembo's, other than that, another good vid from Andy!
Entertaining as well as very (& candidly) informative as you always are. Great review & I think your comments and insights are as usual, spot on. Just a few of many reasons why I keep on watching. With some financial reluctance, I plan on buying my very first Triumph - a 2022 Bonneville T120 Black, which will be my first new bike in over 30 years, (the same timeframe within which I have miserably existed "bike less"), with a second purchase of a middle weight adventure bike, either a Triumph Tiger 850, a Honda Africa Twin or a BMW 850 GS, planned for the coming year & a bit. The "winner" of these last 3 to accommodate my long desire to do some long overdue touring and adventure travelling. Decision to go with the Bonneville as the first bike of the two categories if you will, based mostly on the simple fact that I think I would be more comfortable on it and ride it much more often than the latter. Guess time will tell.
It's no fun trying to move a heavy bike around with a bad shoulder (3:14), I've got the same problem and more! At the moment, I've got a Yamaha Tenere 700 fitted with an OEM rear rack, a centre stand, with bars and lights. It all makes for a heavy bike, plus it's a tall bike with large, heavy wheels. I've used a Honda CB650R quite a bit and found that quite easy to move about, it weighed 204kgs wet, but had a low centre of gravity. I love my Tenere, but next year I'm looking at changing it for a 2022 Yamaha MT-09 SP with a smaller, lighter rear rack and a screen. It should weigh in at just over 190kgs wet; I'll also be back on 17" wheels, it will be a lot faster, and has a peach of a triple engine, can wait. 🏍 👍
I considered the T120 but ultimately chose the 2022 Bonneville Speedmaster. The Speedmaster just fit me better. It is a heavy bike, but I have a Harley Road King so the Triumph actually feels pretty light by comparison. I love the Speedmaster and your video on it a while back had a lot to do with my decision. I put the Triumph floor boards, tank pads and crash bars on it
We are missing your videos, a lot of your tests say you have them on long term and will give updates. I dont recall many sorry and this one is old. Keep them going TMF
While I agree that the Bonnevilles are expensive, I do think that generally things twice as expensive aren't twice as good as their cheaper counter part. 80/20 rule is sort of at play here. Once can get 80% of the refinement for 20% of the cost. Its that last 20% that costs so much.
The issue with the daylight running lights and low beam is exactly the same on my 2020 Panigale V4. I have to go to the front of the bike just to make sure what’s what as like you say on the triumph it’s the wrong way round and not very intuitive.
Nice video! I just purchased a 2017 T120 Black (Matte Gray/ Brown Seat) a bit over a month ago, so I'm still learning its nuances. So far it's been wonderful as an all around bike. I've been riding bikes since the 1970's and always loved the original Bonnevilles, and this modern version has already stolen my heart. It's one of those bikes that after I park it, I always look back as I walk away just to get another look at her... The only thing that I'm not in love with is the throttle response feels a bit delayed from a dead start. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but not sure if this is a typical drive by wire trait, or just an issue with my own bike... Cheers from Wilmington, NC, USA!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you so much Andy!! I just checked out your other video on the "snatchy throttle", and I went out to my bike and felt the same slack in the throttle body response with the engine off. This is exactly my complaint, and you have provided the probable cure!! Brilliant sir!! Can't wait to install those spacers! You have another subscriber and a friend for our riding lives!! Cheers! -Perry
@@TheMissendenFlyer Hey Andy... Just for your information, I just inquired on the site you suggested for the spacers, but they are NOT compatible with the T120 unfortunately... And I quote, "the T120 uses the larger 1" housing that isn't compatible with our spacers.." Oh well, hopefully they will consider them soon.
I have a 2023 T120 Black Edition and after living with it for a year and doing thousands of KMs, I can honestly say it's the perfect machine. Only thing I'd change is getting tubeless wheels so I can go further with less worry.
looks to me like the dipped headlight and daytime running light are on together i must admit i agree with you that green light is disconcerting no need for it day time lights in a car are the norm turn your headlamps on and you get high or low light dash indicators
I think the thing with the daylight running lights indicator light is that, on cars, you wouldn't know they were on because it will be bright daylight when you use them.. Where as you would easily know the dipped lights are on because it will be dark when you use them. That's why you're using them!🤦♂️
Great review, I've had my T120 black for almost a year now. The mirrors would make my top 3 list of dislikes, I don't like the bug antennas look. Going to buy the bar end ones soon. Your spot on about the comfort though, even as a 6.1“ 90kg bloke is just a great riding position
I'm not small, wimpy nor have arthritic shoulders so that eliminates whinge 3 for me. Whinge 2: Price. When I was looking around for a retro bike I did indeed try the Royal Enfield and quite liked it but something you don't hear many, if any, people mention is the quality (or lack of). When I rode the Bonneville, like you alluded to, the quality is far superior and as you say, it's twice the engine. Also on price it's no more expensive than the retro Kawasaki Z900RS, I suppose it's horses for course? All the plus points you mention I agree with but would add that the sound from the pea shooter exhaust is definitely in my top five! I would replace your whinges of 2 & 3 with the mirrors, it needs (which it will get) bar end mirrors to see anything behind (slight exaggeration). Great video though 👍🏼
Hi, I own a T120 Ace, fantastic bike, I commute into central London everyday unfortunately all year round. The Ace hasn’t let me down yet great gearbox and brilliant on fuel, although since seeing your recent vid on the speed twin I’m slightly drawn to it for my next bike. What a decision.
I bought my Τ120 in August and I am desperately looking for an exhaust, from REMUS they told me that the old ones do not fit, it is true or they say it because the are not euro 5 ? I would appreciate any help (don't like bc and V&H) great job once again bike is heavy, the front end feels like a rock but at the same time it is so stable & grounded... no bike is perfect i love it because it makes me fell good .. simple.
Fantastic videos and info. I enjoy watching you tour along some great country roads! I’m thinking of buying a T 120 triumph, perfect bike for me, after I test ride, I’m all in! Question does the t 120 have tube less tires? Take care
The last time I rode a Bonny the headlight fell off. It was a dark night. Had to search the road for the missing nut and bolt to fix it. Mind you it was back in 1987... Anyway nice to catch up with you today after such a, long time. Cheers Matt
10k for the Bonneville T120 is really good imo 🤷♂️ Incredibly well built bike, well refined and quality through and throughout, that stomping 1200cc engine and they hold their value incredibly well too. I’d argue that they’re top of their league, type wise 👍
I have 3; a 2020 Speed Twin 1200cc and two 2012's a Bonneville SE and Thruxton 900. All three of the Triumphs have the roughest shifting (clunky) gearboxes; nearly as bad as the R100S and R60/5 BMW's I owned in the 1970's! I also have a 2020 Royal Enfield 650 that has 20,000 miles on it since new in May of 2020 - the Best gearbox ever. Will be selling the 2012 Triumphs and buying another R.E. 650 to ride while I install an S&S 742cc kit in my 2020 650INT.
What is a "dip beam?" In the states we have low and high. Pretty sure my Thruxton just uses low unless you toggle the high beam and a blue light comes on the speedo.
I have test ridden the T100 & T120 ! I love the T120 as well... But in India it is equivalent to 4 Interceptor650s ! And with ₹12L+ price tag on road doesn't give a big bike feel... The power is good, good to ride but again now we have the S&S Big bore kit for the Interceptor 650 to make it 865cc ! Still with all those mods it will be half the price of T100 !
I had a T120 and i think the little green light turn off on diplight.then it dark you see if the lights on and if you dont see what you is in big problem.and if it dark and rain it easy to see the blue and dont dazzle oncoming traffic
Curious on your opinion on reliability and triumph warranty/service experience. Have read many mixed reviews on experience with triumph regarding gearbox issues on the late model Bonnies. My last 2 bikes were Harleys, and had zero mechanical issues, both of which I put on 15-25k miles annually. I'm sure I'll miss the 1685/1800 cc displacement, but sounds like the 1200 on the t120 will suffice for my weekend farm road rides. The only thing that has helped me back from purchasing a t120 or speed twin is my concerns with reliability and dealer support. By the way, I really appreciate all of the videos that you have made. They have been integral in my purchasing decision to move over to triumph.
Hi Craig - all I can say is that I have owned several Triumphs and have never had a major issue with any of them. Just as reliable as any other modern bikes so I’ve not experienced servicing or warranty issues outside of regular use…..
Hi TMF and thanks for the great vid - rode an identical specimen for a whole day while my Scrambler XE was being serviced and totally agree. Just a thought: there now is a 2021 version of the T120, with claimed improvements in weight through lighter wheels (off the existing Thruxton) and a "lighter" and more "responsive" engine, by way of using internals off the (existing) Scrambler... So basically, you now owe (please) your fanbase a back-to-back comparison! Oh, in case you get to talk to the head honchos at Triumph, please let them know that us motorcycling crowd aren´t stupid - I am well aware of the strategy of "incremental" improvements to keep a product line fresh, but in the case of the T120 (and the T100), Triumph are taking the mickey (imho)! For instance, why doesn´t the new 2021 T100 get the same wheels as the new T120? What about floating discs, why does the Speed Twin (and T100) have them and yet the T120 still comes equipped with the old (and heavy) ones? I mean... New wheels to "save" weight, but yes, let´s keep the old´n chunky brake rotors... And I could go on and on - just one more, the Scrambler´s frame is part-steel part-aluminium (not the rear swingarm, I mean the aluminium cradle section), why not the T120 (or the T100 for that matter)? When are we going to get these "improvements"? Maybe in 2030, in pipette-dosed "increments"? Are Triumph trying to contain the costs (arguably not) or are they really taking (unfair) advantage of the fact that, as market leaders in this sector, their motorcycles will sell anyway? OK, apologies for the winge - I just think, at the end of the day, that we are missing out on what could really be a superb "classic" motorcycle. The lighter parts are all there, lying around in the workshop! Come on people at Hinckley, get your act together. And give us more credit, we can see what´s going on.
Venting pretty heavily there hey boss? If you dont like 'em don't buy 'em. Payed over 14k. out the door for my '22 Speed Twin and have no complaints. 28 mods to date so far. Does that mean I got ripped off?
@@andrewbecker3700 first of all congrats on the new bike! And secondly, no not at all, you bought the bike in the Triumph Classic range which imho is the best value for money. If only I could fit on it... I do however fit on the T120 and I maintain that Triumph already have parts in house to make it significantly lighter. Enjoy the new ride Sir!
I bought a new T120 in 2017 after not being on a bike for 17 years. I always wanted a Bonneville but was unaware I could buy a brand new one so went for it. Then in 2019 before Brexit kicked in I imported a 2016 Thruxton R to Ireland as I was afraid Brexit would end any chance I had of getting one without being fleeced in import charges. Straight away I knew the T120's days were numbered in my bike fleet as the Thruxton was a much more entertaining bike. Last week I traded in my T120 for a Ducati Panigale V2 Troy Bayliss edition. In the last year or two I would leave the T120 at home and use one of my other bikes. A beautiful bike and I loved to polish it rather than ride it. I guess I just grew out of it. Just too Harley Davidson like - heavy and a bit cumbersome compared to the Thruxton and obviously too similar to the Thruxton too. Also I think buying my S1000RR m sport and Monster last year made me more into sports bikes with high agility and performance. Sad parting with it though.
After decades of riding Harley's and Victory's. I added a T120 to my fleet and now it's the bike I ride the most. I feel like I graduated to a new level.
The US model of the T120 doesn’t have “daytime running lights” or a DRL switch . When you turn on the bike the headlight is in normal mode and there a switch to turn on/off the hi-beam. The bike is bigger than the speed twin ( has a different frame ) so it is going to be heavier. Compared to my Ninja 650, I don’t notice and significant weight difference. My 650 has gotten little use since I bought the T120.
I have the same headlight/drl/idiot light setup on my Speedmaster. To me, it makes sense. You're going to want your headlight on at night, generally. What you don't want is a bright green light on the clocks causing an unnecessary distraction in the dark. At first I thought it was a little arse about face, but after 5 minutes or so I got my head round the concept fine.
Nice video, once again. Stunning looking bike, nearly as good looking as my Speedy!
Hehe, I have a video on the new Speedy coming soon....stay tuned!
My BMW R1200GS is the same, green light with DRL but nothing on at night with headlight on dipped beam.
I believe the headlights should come on automatically. As the rider you should only have the option of high/low - in the name of safety and visibility.
Paul Kinsella - I’d agree with you, a green light at night would be distracting.
I don’t have one of these bikes myself, but I think it would be very cool if the DTRL was only visible when the ignition was turned on, and as soon as the engine cranks the DTRL stayed on with your choice of high/low headlights as standard…no need for a green warming light at all 😊
@@TheMissendenFlyer Day running lights are of dubious use.... Cagers still pull out with that ''sorry mate didn't see you''...
I think this the legal regulation for day light. I also don't like it on my BMW but I have a light sensor, so I don't care.
Love your channel. I bought my T120 a year ago and did 11,000 miles my first year. It’s performance is amazing once stock pipes are gone and decat performed. I rode all over the Deep South of the US with no windshield. It’s amazing! Thank you for the video!
My pleasure and glad you've enjoyed the bike....told you they were good!
The T120 is the best looking Triumph Classics of them all. And by far the most comfortable. As a 50+ man this bike really is the best alternative. After riding both the Thruxton and the Bonnie I really must say that the Bonnie is a pure delight and the Thruxton a torturing device. ; )
Just took delivery of a gorgeous 2023 T120. I previously owned a 1966 and 1973 Bonneville. It struck me that it had been 50 years between Bonnevilles.
I bought a new T120 two years ago and I've put 3800 around-town miles on it. I have to agree it is expensive but that's OK. I've never felt the bike was too heavy while moving it around the garage. By far my favorite characteristic is the way the engine makes power! Gobs of low-end grunt and great sounds! I also enjoy the appearance of the bike. Just today a woman shouted at me as I left the parking lot, "what sort of bike is that? It looks awesome!"
Wow, I’ve never had a woman do that to me!! Maybe I need a T120 in my life after all!!
What a cool gal !!
Loved the ‘Hey Kids’ intro… a throwback to the good ole days! Let’s be honest, most of us riding motorcycles are just big kids. My vote is to bring it back, full time 🙏🏻👍🏻💯🔝🎥🎬🆒
I am thinking about that actually - might run the experiment for a little longer…
Another vote here to keep ‘hey kids’! 👍🏻
A little late to the party and didn’t know the “hey kids” thingy had died a death, bring it back, it makes me smile.
Good review Andy.
I find the T120 a great companion and a charming bike to ride. It has plenty of power for the market it is aimed at. Those who want more from a Triumph can buy one of the triples. I tested the T120 back-to-back with a Z900RS and the Triumph - for me - had the character at "real world" speeds that the Kawasaki lacks.
I will now make another unfair comparison. Given the choice between a new Interceptor and a 2 year old, showroom condition T120 with 2,500 on the clock for under £8K, I did not hesitate for a moment.
Another great video…….got a point to raise though. You say your second dislike is the price of the bike and question weather it is worth the 10k pounds. But then your second best like is the fit and finish of the bike and all the extra little trinkets that come on it. Well, it’s the fit and finish of the Triumph and all those little trinkets that add up to the 10k pounds. Just my two cents. Love your videos. Keep it up. 👍👍👍
I had to raise the bars and reupholstered the seat for it to be comfortable, fitting an x pipe reduced the jerkyness in first and second gear, owned my 2016 one for just over three years now and it's a keeper.
I've owned my 2017 Thruxton 1200 since new and I love it. I too thought that the dip beam light on the dashboard was a bit odd but as others have said it makes sense at night. It's simply a feelgood machine and fixes most of the things about my previous 865cc Thruxton that I wanted to change.
I had a T120 for a couple of years, modified it a bit and loved it. It one of those few vehicles, in my opinion, that makes you feel a certain way when you ride/drive it, by which I mean the original Mini, VW bus, Beetle. It almost like a time machine that takes you to a better time and place. I think my jet lag is kicking in! 🤪
I get that!
Love it. Great paint and it's great to see that style persevering but with modern manufacturing. This bike looks even cleaner and even more retro than the actual original.
I have had my (2016) T120 for the past 6 months. I would concur about the weight (try getting it onto the centre stand !!). But once on the go, its superb. Very stable and the grunt is in the right area.
One thing you have not commented on is the iffy low speed running, which many owners experience.
I have (like many) fitted a power plug, which improves matters, but at low revs it still has patches of 'hunting' and surging. Other than that, its one of the best bikes I (at the grand age of 68) have the pleasure of owning.
I have a 2017 T120 and I love it. Great "almost do it all bike". I think we have to mention its low fuel consumption when compared of what it offers in terms of power and torque.
Greetings from Rio de Janeiro !
Greetings down there!
Owning a Goldwing, and a Harley, and a T120, the Bonneville is like riding a bicycle compared to the others, so I guess weight is what your used to. Of the three I like the T120 best. All of my bikes are good for what they are designed for but I find pure joy in the Triumph. My biggest complaint about it is no self canceling turn signals. This can really be a safety issue considering the gauge cluster is hard to see in bright sunlight. I also don’t like the tubed tires, no way for me to fix a flat on the road. I’ve already been stranded twice as a results. There are better ways to do spoked wheels and I don’t suppose it would cost triumph extra to do them that way. The stock Pirelli’s are not good but that is a temporary problem.
Had an 650 Interceptor, no power and uncomfortable, and no support from RE when there's a problem, Triumph all the way for me.
Never had that issue with my RE. I had problems in the first 300 miles; Dodgy ignition barrel, collected and fixed by my dealership. Properly good support from RE! Been a spanking bike ever since.
@@ThiefOfNavarre glad your happy with your bike, I had an Himalayan too and RE didn't want to know about problems with that too, burnt twice now, never going back to them.
@@IanFieldhouse that's fair enough. You've given given it a chance and got stung! Leaves a nasty taste in the mouth
"Where the hell am I?!" Lol. Been there a few times Andy. Still-all part of the adventure! 😁
'Where the hell am I' doesn't mean you are lost, just you don't know where you are...
Good job. As a former rider of 60s era Bonnies, I apreciate the new ones.In fact I love the new ones so much that I bought a 22 Bobber!
Happy Motoring.
Congratulations!
Great video yet again, I have just bought myself a t120 and I love it. That engine is something to behold, it just feels great. I do understand the back and forth between the Interceptor and the T120 in regard to which to buy as I've just been through it myself. Finally it was my wife (she's a keeper, coming up 32 years now) who said to me not to let price be a factor and go with the bike that made me grin the most. I did and am very happy, the Interceptor is a fantastic bike though and I get why it's so popular. I do love that bonne engine and the looks of the bike. Ride what makes you grin.
Agreed - and good woman your Mrs!
Love this comment I was in the exact same position and my partner convinced me to go with a 2nd hand t120 black over a showroom interceptor. The 650cc enfields are absolutely brilliant bikes and price aside its great to see a pretty authentic learner friendly entry to classic British motorcycling. As much as I adore my triumph I'd never hesitate to recommend an interceptor to a new rider, ride what makes you smile completely agree 👍
First of all, I do not own a Triumph, but if I did it would be the Bonneville T120 Gold Line. Yes, even MORE expensive, but the good looks has got me in a spell. I love the peashooter silencers of a Bonneville and the proper rear mud guard. The Gold Like paint scheme with the British Racing greeen and the silver on the side of the fuel tank and both mud guards are painted to match the side of the tank. I'd buy one today if I could. Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.
Agree about the lights. Daylight should be on always until you switch to the night lights.
To me 224 kg is light compared to what I’m used; my bike is about 250 kg. Quite heavy to move around. I sit on it when moving it around; just in case.
Another great review Andy. This is from an old kid, who quite liked the old intro.
Yes I might yet re introduce it…
Capability for Customization is another plus. In addition to the 100+ OEM parts offered by Triumph, companies like Motone Customs and British Customs each make dozens of add-ons and upgrades for the Bonneville range.
That is THE big plus for many of us 👍
Hi Andy ! Well I have actually ordered the 2022 Matt Black / Silver Graphite Triumph Bonneville T120. The new generation per se. Yes even I moan about the weight and chucking it around corners and my garage. We will disagree on the light switch however. I pick the bike up in late January 2022. Wish me luck. A little expensive I agree.
I think their are 11 changes for the new generation, and 7 significant ones.
All the best my UK friends for your winter riding , Summer for us now.
Auckland. NZ. Regards John.
Enjoy John and congratulations on the new bike!!
Good to see another Triumph review and some interesting points here. On the subject of the DRL's, the headlight button on my 1200 scrambler has a mid position on the switch, which just leaves the DRL's on as the default setting when you turn the ignition on and then you can click the switch either way for high or dipped beam... Are the T120's controls different? Cost-wise, the comparison with the RE Interceptor is a bit unfair, because it substantially undercuts virtually an anything on the market. It's also, apart from being a retro twin, a completely different beast in terms of capacity, performance, build quality etc. A fairer comparison would be with something like the BMW NineT, which even in its most basic, low spec form (the Pure) is more expensive than the T120, with much lower equipment levels.
Thanks for watching as ever Gareth - appreciate the feedback!
Thanks for an up front honest personal review of the 2021 T120. I nearly did buy a T100 3 years ago when I followed yr RE650 reviews that then convinced me to buy new and a smaller bike. The T120 has bags of Torque and character, but yes is heavy and priced into a spec price band - vs Speed Twin, Bobber, Speed Triple, Trident 660, etc...
Now that I've had my T120 for a few weeks now....agree with you on all...the engine in 2/3/4 gears has the aggressiveness you look for...agree as well how cumbersome to move around in the garage or parking lot....but looks...engine are fantastic....enjoy!!!
Glad we concur!
I've bought 2 of the T120 Bonneville's now, and loved them! both featured on my channel too, has to be in my top 5 bikes of all time 😁
Cool!
I grew up riding on the back of my dad's old Bonneville's, and love these new ones too. Was looking into getting myself one but it was the price and the weight that put me off! Going instead with a Royal Enfield. It seems my dad (and his sore knee) agree as he now has a continental GT. Great video 👍
The Enfields are great - but pretty heavy too!
@@TheMissendenFlyer true, not much in it on the new twins! Bonneville always looked a bit more cumbersome to me though. Fantastic bikes all of them
Have had both. Much prefer the Enfield .
How come they cost soo much now they are all made in the far east ?
The bikes were lighter in 'Ye Olden days' when your dad was a young rocker...
Triumph have handed Royal Enfield their huge UK market share with their pricing, they might have just got away with the premium pricing if they had all been screwed together in Hinckley England. The Bonneville is a great looking bike if your pockets are deep enough.
Exactly. When I bought my old 790 it proudly said 'made in England ' on the side. And in real terms they are more expensive now! Enfield, in my opinion, is as British a brand as triumph now, so it comes down to value. And, although Enfield are built to a budget, I don't feel triumphs are £3000+ higher in quality....
@@robbikebob Everything is more expensive these days. The idea of spending 50% of your salary on a toy is too much. Manufacturers cant work out why younger people arent buying motorbikes. They cant afford essentials let alone expensive toys
You risk the wrath of the Triumphants if you dare criticise the brand. I once said there isn't a bike of theirs I like and got buried. But it is the only make I know where there is nothing I like or find interesting.
Yes, I think iam done with Triumph,I would rather have a British designed bike made in India, than a British designed bike made in Thailand, especially considering the price..
People who have been on the Hinckley factory tour recently have been told that the factory is gearing up to start producing popular European models again. We can only hope....
Purely because of your original T120 revue I purchased one. I’m a “return to motorcycling” (35 year hiatus) retired old git and this bike ticks all the boxes. It’s bloody brilliant! I’m also very happy with the model I have (2019) which by comparison to the 2022 model gives me a centre-stand, chrome wheels (I love shiny things), a rear grab rail and a better paint scheme at the cost of a few engine upgrades and cruise control. The bike I have now is a bit better than when I first got it. I have replaced the original Pirelli Phantom tyres with Avon Spirit ST’s - what an improvement! Also the bike has been de-cat’ed and a TEC X-pipe installed in its place. The engine now feels more eager, especially low down and has a slightly better exhaust note; nothing anti-social just a bit of a rasp. I have no plans to swap this bike in the near future but if I did it would be for something like the Kawasaki Z900 RS.
I agree with your opinion on every point except for the DRL indicator. You always have a light on by default making you more visible. As Paul Kinsella said in a previous comment, what you don’t want is an unnecessary light shining in your face at night; let’s face it, it’s a bit obvious if it’s not on in the dark and who cares during the day? That was still a great TMF review though.
Thak you Trever (as always) - and glad we largely agree on the Bonnie....
I do love the looks of the Triumph T-120, but I prefer the riding position of the Triumph Speed-Master. Yes, I know it has the same engine and all, but for an old Geezer like me, I prefer feet forward and I also like the idea of 12 inch ape handlebars. With a nice sissy bar on the back to strap my gear to, I could travel all over the country the way I did in the late 60s and early 70s on my Honda 350 two cylinder.
@Gerry Wood feet forwards just make my bum ache after an hour or so , all your weights on your ass and that ain’t good for long days in the saddle!
I just bought one of these in the states and it was just shy of 13000.00. I love it. It's fast,handles good, sounds good. It's actually my second bonneville. I bought a new one back in 1967, a 650 cc back then. I don't think it's too heavy at all. Of course I do ride a road king also. Nice review 👍😀 And ohh yes, that one in 67 costs just shy of 1300.00. But I must say,there is no comparison.
@@AuxesisHyperbole666 you need to check again because that was 1300usd a rough guess for a 67 650 triumph back then would be about 600gbp
I had that exact same model and got rid of it because of how jerky the fueling was, especially around 40-45mph. Dealer could never solve the problem and seemed poor for, as you say, quite a pricey bike. Traded for a Street Triple that is marvelous !
Thanks....I've ordered the 2022 T120 BLK...been two months waiting...so thanks for teasing me...Haha....great stuff as usual....cheers from across the pond!!!
Cheers Matt! ….I’m sure it’ll be worth the wait!
I like the way they set up the headlight. Having to switch the headlight to full beam will become your new best friend.
Im 63 had just about evry make of motor cycle harley was my favorite then indian at my age they became cumbersome bulky i now have a 2023 T120..for me I absolutely love it the thrill is back its totally stock im not planing on doing any changes put your light weight back pack on and ride it any distance any where. This bike is a keeper!
The one thing I hate about the Bonneville's is the price, particularly the street twin and T100, especially since they're now built in Asia....
"Where the hell am I ?" Thought that was what biking was about, just get off the beaten track follow the front wheel and find a pub or cafe you've not been to before. .😊😊😊 Great reviews Andy, keep them coming, gets us through the dark nights.👍
Will do Ian
Love my T120 Black, has it for 2 years. I think the newer model is a bit lighter but loses out on some stuff to keep down costs. Great all rounder, although now thinking about a Speedmaster for the lower seat height.
Yes I love the look of the new Speedmaster....
Always a classic - like Mr Fly! 👌🏼
Great vid Andy. And having test ridden the T120 when it first came out I'd agree. As you know, Kels and I plumped for a new T100 in July this year and we love it. It's literally 3/4 of the T120 in every sense and for us is perfect. I don't miss the 6th gear of the bigger bike as I feel that up to 75mph the little brother is still only pulling 4000 rpm and sits quite happily at that engine speed. For the kind of bike they are, that's perfectly adequate. It's more nimble too - not having the weight and gyroscopic effect of twin front discs. Please revisit the T100 when you can, I'm sure the upgrades will address most of the factors you found issue with when you last rode one. I'd love to hear your updated view?
I have a T100 Goldline coming to the Missenden man cave very soon!
@@TheMissendenFlyer cant wait for.that one, that looks beautiful.
I just picked up a left over 2020 3 months ago here in Canada. Put a detachable shield on it as well as the Triumph cruise, backrest and rack. Already have over 5,000 km on it and have done over 900 km in a day. Great little bike. Over here we don't have the switch for DRL, the DRL and headlight are on at all times.
I’m still riding my 2017 T120 that I bought new. There is something about this bike that makes it extra special. I’ve had a lot of motorcycles of all makes and models and nothing has compared to the T120. The power delivery coming out of the corners are really amazing!
I am interested in getting a Kawasaki 900RS but I’m sure I will always keep the Bonnie!
Love this review, i agree about the light thing. The weight is not an issue to me or for me. The value, well I do believe it is worth the money, I just think that the enfield is exceptional value for money and therefore gives the illusion of T120 being a bit pricey. I love my T120 and see the Enfield as a possible affordable addition to the stable but not a replacement. Love the channel.
Yes agree on that…
How many times have I pulled Triumph about poor colour choices? Damn me! They’ve done a cracking job with that Black option, looks stunning in the sunlight.
I would also add a 4th complaint, for a bike of that price I would expect a centre stand to be fitted as standard.
Had my T120 Black for 6 months now and I love it. My other dislikes would be cheap levers, awkward side stand and worst of all having to take the silencer off to re-tension the chain. Having said that the positives far out way the niggles.
Nice one - thanks for watching
It's 11k where I live, if I want heated grips and couple of small bits added 11.5k. Scrambler and Bobber are 12k plus, as standard.
Hi. Loving the reviews! I have a Triumph Speedmaster and have to say I agree with Triumph regarding the running lights. The running lights are extra, extra bright and would dazzle other motorists if used at night. So the warning light is to remind you to turn on your dipped headlights at night if you forget. If there's was no warning light as you suggest, then we would all be merrily riding round at night with our running lights on and wondering why other drivers are giving you unusual hand signals!
Maybe - I still don’t like how they’ve done it though!
I know it seems the wrong way round with the lights, but at night you would have the green light on all the time, that would look a pain!
Had the ace t120 over the cat and fiddle in the snow, what a champion. Tied t100, 2 years ago and wasn't anywhere as reassuring. Tiger 900 gt, t120 was a really lovely bike
Great vid as usual I suspect that the reason they have the warning lights set up,in that way is to warn you that you are only on DRL ‘s and not on full head lights probably for legal reasons as some people might not notice they are on DRL’s and ride on into the night or into bade weather only on DRL’s 👍
Agree. Plus having a glaring green light shining back at you at night would be a tad annoying (for me anyway)
Agree with you on the Running lights, but it's a different format for the States. You can't compare the T-120 to a Royal Enfield; they are crap. Totally agree it's too heavy, but they did reduce the weight on the 2022 models. The thing I hated the most was the gearing. I had to add two teeth on the rear in order to make it rideable. Also recommend a de-cat and booster plug to get rid of the jerky throttle.
Hey ! I loved the Hey kids intro. Such an upbeat cheery greeting never fails to lift up my spirits :)
Yes - thinking about bringing it back actually!
No no no. It's demeaning
I have a t120 and this powerplant image speedtwin chassis would be my ideal as I found the speedtwin too thrashy by comparison but a more fun bike handlingwise
Hi Mate, love the bike, just took delivery of the T120 black stealth... Question, what top are you wearing during the video?
High quality, professional and fun review. Thank you Andy!
Thank you!
Surprised that you didnt mention in the vid that the model ridden was NOT the latest model with cruise control, lighter rims and Brembo's, other than that, another good vid from Andy!
That’s because I recorded this back in April just before the upgrades were announced! Thanks Triumph!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Hi ! I look forward to you getting hold of the new generation to test. Shall be interesting if you notice any differences.
Entertaining as well as very (& candidly) informative as you always are. Great review & I think your comments and insights are as usual, spot on. Just a few of many reasons why I keep on watching. With some financial reluctance, I plan on buying my very first Triumph - a 2022 Bonneville T120 Black, which will be my first new bike in over 30 years, (the same timeframe within which I have miserably existed "bike less"), with a second purchase of a middle weight adventure bike, either a Triumph Tiger 850, a Honda Africa Twin or a BMW 850 GS, planned for the coming year & a bit. The "winner" of these last 3 to accommodate my long desire to do some long overdue touring and adventure travelling. Decision to go with the Bonneville as the first bike of the two categories if you will, based mostly on the simple fact that I think I would be more comfortable on it and ride it much more often than the latter. Guess time will tell.
You're going to love it Michael! Thanks for watching and for the kind comments - Andy
It's no fun trying to move a heavy bike around with a bad shoulder (3:14), I've got the same problem and more! At the moment, I've got a Yamaha Tenere 700 fitted with an OEM rear rack, a centre stand, with bars and lights. It all makes for a heavy bike, plus it's a tall bike with large, heavy wheels. I've used a Honda CB650R quite a bit and found that quite easy to move about, it weighed 204kgs wet, but had a low centre of gravity. I love my Tenere, but next year I'm looking at changing it for a 2022 Yamaha MT-09 SP with a smaller, lighter rear rack and a screen. It should weigh in at just over 190kgs wet; I'll also be back on 17" wheels, it will be a lot faster, and has a peach of a triple engine, can wait. 🏍 👍
Love it. Best bike I’ve ever owned.
Cool!
I considered the T120 but ultimately chose the 2022 Bonneville Speedmaster. The Speedmaster just fit me better. It is a heavy bike, but I have a Harley Road King so the Triumph actually feels pretty light by comparison. I love the Speedmaster and your video on it a while back had a lot to do with my decision. I put the Triumph floor boards, tank pads and crash bars on it
Yes one of my favourite Bonnies the Speedmaster - I’m borrowing the new one soon….
Triumph are the masters of the retro bike, not my cup of tea (yet) but their attention to detail is superb.
Agreed - cornered that market!
We are missing your videos, a lot of your tests say you have them on long term and will give updates. I dont recall many sorry and this one is old.
Keep them going TMF
While I agree that the Bonnevilles are expensive, I do think that generally things twice as expensive aren't twice as good as their cheaper counter part. 80/20 rule is sort of at play here. Once can get 80% of the refinement for 20% of the cost. Its that last 20% that costs so much.
The issue with the daylight running lights and low beam is exactly the same on my 2020 Panigale V4. I have to go to the front of the bike just to make sure what’s what as like you say on the triumph it’s the wrong way round and not very intuitive.
Glad we concur!
Nice video! I just purchased a 2017 T120 Black (Matte Gray/ Brown Seat) a bit over a month ago, so I'm still learning its nuances. So far it's been wonderful as an all around bike. I've been riding bikes since the 1970's and always loved the original Bonnevilles, and this modern version has already stolen my heart. It's one of those bikes that after I park it, I always look back as I walk away just to get another look at her... The only thing that I'm not in love with is the throttle response feels a bit delayed from a dead start. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but not sure if this is a typical drive by wire trait, or just an issue with my own bike... Cheers from Wilmington, NC, USA!!
Hi Perry - have you thought of trying the throttle spacer to fix that problem…checkout my video on “how to cure a snatchy throttle”
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you so much Andy!! I just checked out your other video on the "snatchy throttle", and I went out to my bike and felt the same slack in the throttle body response with the engine off. This is exactly my complaint, and you have provided the probable cure!! Brilliant sir!! Can't wait to install those spacers! You have another subscriber and a friend for our riding lives!! Cheers! -Perry
@@TheMissendenFlyer Hey Andy... Just for your information, I just inquired on the site you suggested for the spacers, but they are NOT compatible with the T120 unfortunately... And I quote, "the T120 uses the larger 1" housing that isn't compatible with our spacers.." Oh well, hopefully they will consider them soon.
I have a 2023 T120 Black Edition and after living with it for a year and doing thousands of KMs, I can honestly say it's the perfect machine. Only thing I'd change is getting tubeless wheels so I can go further with less worry.
Glad you love it - great when you find "your" bike isn't it....
Great review as always! But surprised you let the mirrors off the hook…..I was waiting patiently for “Mickey Mouse” 😂
looks to me like the dipped headlight and daytime running light are on together i must admit i agree with you that green light is disconcerting no need for it day time lights in a car are the norm turn your headlamps on and you get high or low light dash indicators
I think the thing with the daylight running lights indicator light is that, on cars, you wouldn't know they were on because it will be bright daylight when you use them.. Where as you would easily know the dipped lights are on because it will be dark when you use them. That's why you're using them!🤦♂️
when you said "just because it looks like your grandad's bike" that cracked me up cos i'm only 33 and blessed to own a T120.
Hey kids! Love the blacked out look! And I fully agree, we’re all just kids! Bring it back Andy!!!
I am thinking about that Bob….
Watched this when it first aired. Had to come back to it. Sold my first and got another bike. But had to go and get another. Bloody love it 😁😁😁
Great review, I've had my T120 black for almost a year now. The mirrors would make my top 3 list of dislikes, I don't like the bug antennas look. Going to buy the bar end ones soon. Your spot on about the comfort though, even as a 6.1“ 90kg bloke is just a great riding position
It's a retro bike, that's how they looked. Bar ends on an upright cruiser look totally muppet
Great review, I love my T120 bonny black, agree with you about comfort and engine performance, I had an original T120 in 1972.
Glad we concur Peter!
I'm not small, wimpy nor have arthritic shoulders so that eliminates whinge 3 for me. Whinge 2: Price. When I was looking around for a retro bike I did indeed try the Royal Enfield and quite liked it but something you don't hear many, if any, people mention is the quality (or lack of). When I rode the Bonneville, like you alluded to, the quality is far superior and as you say, it's twice the engine. Also on price it's no more expensive than the retro Kawasaki Z900RS, I suppose it's horses for course? All the plus points you mention I agree with but would add that the sound from the pea shooter exhaust is definitely in my top five! I would replace your whinges of 2 & 3 with the mirrors, it needs (which it will get) bar end mirrors to see anything behind (slight exaggeration). Great video though 👍🏼
Cheers Brian - appreciate your comments!
Hi, I own a T120 Ace, fantastic bike, I commute into central London everyday unfortunately all year round. The Ace hasn’t let me down yet great gearbox and brilliant on fuel, although since seeing your recent vid on the speed twin I’m slightly drawn to it for my next bike. What a decision.
I bought my Τ120 in August and I am desperately looking for an exhaust,
from REMUS they told me that the old ones do not fit, it is true or they say it because the are not euro 5 ?
I would appreciate any help
(don't like bc and V&H)
great job once again
bike is heavy, the front end feels like a rock but at the same time it is so stable & grounded... no bike is perfect
i love it because it makes me fell good .. simple.
I do love the look of the Triumph retro bikes, and this one ticks all the boxes
Yes Triumph have this particular market sewn up don’t they Nigel….
Fantastic videos and info. I enjoy watching you tour along some great country roads! I’m thinking of buying a T 120 triumph, perfect bike for me, after I test ride, I’m all in! Question does the t 120 have tube less tires? Take care
Yes it does!
Wish I could give this video 5 thumbs up. Such a dream to own a bike like that! Cheers!
I like how this went from ‘Things I don’t like, to ‘dislike’, to ‘things I hate’ 😂👍🏻 another great vid
Hi Andy wow 224kg dry you say, my old 95 fireblade is listed as 204 wet, what's it made of pig iron?
The last time I rode a Bonny the headlight fell off. It was a dark night. Had to search the road for the missing nut and bolt to fix it. Mind you it was back in 1987... Anyway nice to catch up with you today after such a, long time. Cheers Matt
Hey Matt, great to see you too matey! Hope you had a good trip home….
10k for the Bonneville T120 is really good imo 🤷♂️
Incredibly well built bike, well refined and quality through and throughout, that stomping 1200cc engine and they hold their value incredibly well too.
I’d argue that they’re top of their league, type wise 👍
I have 3; a 2020 Speed Twin
1200cc and two 2012's a Bonneville SE and Thruxton 900. All three of the Triumphs have the roughest shifting (clunky) gearboxes; nearly as bad as the R100S and R60/5 BMW's I owned in the 1970's! I also have a 2020 Royal Enfield 650 that has 20,000 miles on it since new in May of 2020 - the Best gearbox ever. Will be selling the 2012 Triumphs and buying another R.E. 650 to ride while I install an S&S 742cc kit in my 2020 650INT.
Fair enough….
As usual, well done sir!
Love my 2018 T120 with the exception of the twitchy throttle.
Have you considered a throttle spacer?
Last of the hey kids great as it's not kids buying these big bikes you are reviewing, great bike reviews by the way the best
Ah yes, about that…..
Love the Ace Cafe graphics on this version.
What is a "dip beam?" In the states we have low and high. Pretty sure my Thruxton just uses low unless you toggle the high beam and a blue light comes on the speedo.
Same as low beam
I have test ridden the T100 & T120 ! I love the T120 as well... But in India it is equivalent to 4 Interceptor650s ! And with ₹12L+ price tag on road doesn't give a big bike feel... The power is good, good to ride but again now we have the S&S Big bore kit for the Interceptor 650 to make it 865cc ! Still with all those mods it will be half the price of T100 !
I had a T120 and i think the little green light turn off on diplight.then it dark you see if the lights on and if you dont see what you is in big problem.and if it dark and rain it easy to see the blue and dont dazzle oncoming traffic
Curious on your opinion on reliability and triumph warranty/service experience. Have read many mixed reviews on experience with triumph regarding gearbox issues on the late model Bonnies.
My last 2 bikes were Harleys, and had zero mechanical issues, both of which I put on 15-25k miles annually. I'm sure I'll miss the 1685/1800 cc displacement, but sounds like the 1200 on the t120 will suffice for my weekend farm road rides.
The only thing that has helped me back from purchasing a t120 or speed twin is my concerns with reliability and dealer support.
By the way, I really appreciate all of the videos that you have made. They have been integral in my purchasing decision to move over to triumph.
Hi Craig - all I can say is that I have owned several Triumphs and have never had a major issue with any of them. Just as reliable as any other modern bikes so I’ve not experienced servicing or warranty issues outside of regular use…..
@@TheMissendenFlyer thanks for the feedback, as well as your efforts. Much appreciated
Hi TMF and thanks for the great vid - rode an identical specimen for a whole day while my Scrambler XE was being serviced and totally agree. Just a thought: there now is a 2021 version of the T120, with claimed improvements in weight through lighter wheels (off the existing Thruxton) and a "lighter" and more "responsive" engine, by way of using internals off the (existing) Scrambler... So basically, you now owe (please) your fanbase a back-to-back comparison! Oh, in case you get to talk to the head honchos at Triumph, please let them know that us motorcycling crowd aren´t stupid - I am well aware of the strategy of "incremental" improvements to keep a product line fresh, but in the case of the T120 (and the T100), Triumph are taking the mickey (imho)! For instance, why doesn´t the new 2021 T100 get the same wheels as the new T120? What about floating discs, why does the Speed Twin (and T100) have them and yet the T120 still comes equipped with the old (and heavy) ones? I mean... New wheels to "save" weight, but yes, let´s keep the old´n chunky brake rotors... And I could go on and on - just one more, the Scrambler´s frame is part-steel part-aluminium (not the rear swingarm, I mean the aluminium cradle section), why not the T120 (or the T100 for that matter)? When are we going to get these "improvements"? Maybe in 2030, in pipette-dosed "increments"? Are Triumph trying to contain the costs (arguably not) or are they really taking (unfair) advantage of the fact that, as market leaders in this sector, their motorcycles will sell anyway? OK, apologies for the winge - I just think, at the end of the day, that we are missing out on what could really be a superb "classic" motorcycle. The lighter parts are all there, lying around in the workshop! Come on people at Hinckley, get your act together. And give us more credit, we can see what´s going on.
Agreed all round! Who knows how these things work!!
Venting pretty heavily there hey boss? If you dont like 'em don't buy 'em. Payed over 14k. out the door for my '22 Speed Twin and have no complaints. 28 mods to date so far. Does that mean I got ripped off?
@@andrewbecker3700 first of all congrats on the new bike! And secondly, no not at all, you bought the bike in the Triumph Classic range which imho is the best value for money. If only I could fit on it... I do however fit on the T120 and I maintain that Triumph already have parts in house to make it significantly lighter. Enjoy the new ride Sir!
@@filippoavellino2499 The bobber seems to be laid out better for bigger riders.
I bought a new T120 in 2017 after not being on a bike for 17 years. I always wanted a Bonneville but was unaware I could buy a brand new one so went for it. Then in 2019 before Brexit kicked in I imported a 2016 Thruxton R to Ireland as I was afraid Brexit would end any chance I had of getting one without being fleeced in import charges. Straight away I knew the T120's days were numbered in my bike fleet as the Thruxton was a much more entertaining bike. Last week I traded in my T120 for a Ducati Panigale V2 Troy Bayliss edition. In the last year or two I would leave the T120 at home and use one of my other bikes. A beautiful bike and I loved to polish it rather than ride it. I guess I just grew out of it. Just too Harley Davidson like - heavy and a bit cumbersome compared to the Thruxton and obviously too similar to the Thruxton too. Also I think buying my S1000RR m sport and Monster last year made me more into sports bikes with high agility and performance. Sad parting with it though.