it should be noted that the Igneri (Arawak peoples) were already living in the lesser Antilles before the Karina (Carib) came and mixed with them. Which is why Garifuna is at its base an Arawakan language with some Carib elements.
Hey, Western Africa and The New World were once connected as one land. Also, I do remember being told that Columbus actually wrote in his journal that the first people columbus saw when he landed in the new world were in fact black people. Euro scholars have been known to omit certain facts when comes to black people. Just look at american history and the Omissions of black contrbutions . I was taught about Black contributions in america until long after I finnished school.
Furthermore Waranagua is just one of our forms of Garifuna ceremonial song/dance. We aslo have "Abeimahani/Arumahani" (which you can go to south america and see our Carib cousins also do to this day), "Huguhugun" (which is also an overlap of Carib/African). Our ancestors were good at seeing where their cultures were similar and they accentuated those points. You can see this in our song,dance,etc etc,and especially in our traditional religion.
Take note, that this great African accomplishment took place before Columbus accidentally landed in the Caribbean august 12th, 1492. The Africans came in peace, sharing their knowledge with the red Caribs and Arawaks. The Africans who eventually remained in the Caribbean intermarried into the Caribs and Arawaks. Since the Africans have different characteristics from that of their hosts, their offspring were dark in complexion, had coarse hair, a slender build and an average of 5 feet 9 inches in
This depends, have they developed their own distinct culture? You CAN NOT find Garifuna Culture in Africa as it is today, just as you can barley find the Carib side of our culture in the islands as its once was. The culture lives through us! In our culture, our language. our way of life. and yes, through our blood our dna.
In the book "Readings in Belizean History " My Teacher Dr. Joseph Flores defends that, by 1802, there were more than 150 families living in Dangriga, before the 1832 Settlement., Can This Information be Revised or Has it Been Discarded? My Respect for Your Work!
***** joe, americans use to have a culture, nowadays its non existence.. americans in general they look lost and live in a bubble, deep down u know this is true
Not to get into a debate with you but :Both North & South America were once part of Africa /Alkebulan , not just south america. The land break up and /or separation occured a little more 250,000 yrs ago., not 10's pf millions years ago. One human foot print was dated to 1.5 million yrs. ago [ not mokey or ape footprint ] , So humans have been around a lot longer then certain scientist claim.
up to tip of Morocco . Now that's not a coincidence. There are lots of land puzzle fits bettween the two continents that can't be argued away ! There are lots of African discoveries in america that have been omited from history. I don't think Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and some others didn't research deep enough !
"In the early 1300s, the Mali Empire was the leading country in technology. King Abubakari, brother of Mansa Musa the emperor, ventured on a journey to expand trade and commerce with other countries. With over two thousand sailors, Abubakari sailed away with ships laden with precious stones, gold, fruits, plants and agricultural tools. During the journey, these brave sailors separated and drifted apart. As a result they landed in the Americas and the Caribbean. cont
The Japanese migrated from China. Today they are still seen as a different people. You couldnt call native americans "Asian" even though thats where they all originated. Alot of factors go into defining a "People".
The Garifuna of central america you see today are the same exact people who came over from saint vincent. The pure Kalinagu/ Kalipuna or the ones that could pass for pure were permitted to stay. There were probably even LESS africans for us to mix with in central america at that time than there was in the islands. Furthermore it was taboo to marry outside of the tribe. Kalinagu = Carib/ Arawak , Garinagu=African+Kalinagu(Carib/Arawak)
Or Kalinago is Kalina and African. Where the Karina were the mainland nation the Kalina were of the islands. With the arrival of the Malian expedition they be ame the Kalinago...one people many colours.
"They should choose. This would control the bunch of Bantu looking black people down there from claiming ARAWAK or GARIFUNA." The same features you acredit to being "Bantu" you can acredit to being "Carib" or "Arawak". Some of us have feature more close to what YOU would call "Bantu" some of us have feautres YOU would more closely relate to being "Carib/Arawak". You sometimes have siblings with one looking typically "Carib/Arawak" and the other more "Bantu". Same blood in all of us.
LMAO! Shit is funny as hell! Love when people come to someone who 's people still SPEAK arawak carry on the culture and has arawak blood pumping to their veins and tells them "hey yall dont exist, yall were wiped out" lmfao. Lemme ask ya somethin. Have you ever been to St Vincent, Venezuela, Brazil, Belize, Honduras. Or does your info come from google or some encyclopedia? FUNNY SHIT.
You CAN NOT denote CULTURE or HERITAGE by phenotype alone. Look at Obama's daughters. Looking at them it would be hard to tell they have blonde haired blue eyed great grand parents ......now imagine them have children with a typically "bantu" looking man or even someone with the same mix as them. It gets even more difficult to tell their european ancestry. African genes are dominant! Now take this same scenario with someone being mixed with African& Natives who already had similar features.
There's a outline of a face from along the east coast from Virginia up to the tip of Massachusetts which fits perfect with the outline of a face from the west coast of Africa from Mauritania up to the tip of Morocco. There are lots other places along the east coast of North and South America which also fit the West Coast Of Africa like puzzle .
As of May 4, 2010 there was another human foot print of a human wearing a sandal .The sandal that seems to have crushed a living trilobite (300 to 600 million years ago) was 10 1/4 inches long and 3 1/2 inches wide . No need to further debate me. You can reference this information at the Library Of Congress with updates ! Thank You
wats up bro. thanks for the knowledge. I been trying to get some info on the garifuna people. My great grand mother was half carib, and my great grandfather was a quarter carib. My family is from St Vincent and the Grenadines, one of the islands the Caribs Indians migrated to
hi, i am from The United States of America, and am doing a report on the Garifuna people. My mom has been to Barranco, a village in belize a few hours from Belize city. I am trying to do this report unbiased, so i am staying away from historical documents written from the point of view of Columbus. i am having an extremely hard time finding reputable sources of the history of the garifuna people. Can you please send me a message with links to a few true garifuna history sources?
"Every culture has been influenced by another culture on earth and Garifuna is rightly an upshoot of African culture and Caribbean culture but that fusion does not make Typical black people to become Garifuna." African/Carib indian IS the definition of Garifuna!
You can not use the fact that a few white south africans you have seen have learned the language to make the statement that white south africans as a people speak zulu or xhosa. Just because ive seen some mexicans speak german can i use that to say "hey well mexicans speak german"? Garifuna itself is primarily Carib just as it was spoke in pre colombian times. Most borrowed words are for nouns and objects that didnt exist amongst us before contact with these other peoples.
Going to put up a video with some of my relatives split screened with typical Caribs& Arawaks, you tell me if you dont see twins. The Garifuna arent one or the other we are an admixture which is what allowed our culture to survive so strongly where others have died out. Remember it wasnt a steady stream of africans we mixed with. It was one or two small groups and the rest of our genetic reinforcement came from the people we lived amongst, the Caribs.
Educational but most people keep forgetting that the Caribs had already intermingled with Africans before the slave trade. Africans from Mali used to make trades with the Caribs and some of them stayed over in the Carribean and married the Caribs. Yes it's true when Columbus sailed the ocean blue Africans had already done it Please do your history.
There are lots of places in America with African artifacts which are omitted from science and history ! Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and others just didn't research deep enough !
unfortunately history shows the evidence goes against what your comment says. Most of the Garifuna that ended up in central america were from the clans that were still fighting the british at that time. For example Gulisi the daughter of Chief Joseph Satuye himself was with one of the groups that ended up in Roatan Honduras. Most of we central american garifuna can trace our family tree all the way back to the very generation that came over from Yurumein.
yes you are right the lands were once connected but that was 10's of millions years ago.Columbus did describe the people he saw and what he saw is in the name he gave them "Indians" he actuly though he landed somewhere in india.sorry it took so long to reply.now blacks were around in his time(chuckle,giggle.) he would have without a doubt known what a africn looked like but infact he did not describe them in that way.
Your example = A white south african speaking zulu or xhosa as a second language. Garifuna speaking garifuna = People speaking garifuna as a primary language of communication. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Garinagu is the people Garifuna is things belonging to the Garinagu people whether if be language or culture. The GARINAGU dont exist as a people until after you have the intermarriage between the native caribs and the west african captives.
@azar783408 who said they were enslaved?! i never mentioned that. and it seems to me that you have contradicted yourself. you said earlier that garifuna is not of african descent, then later you said that garifuna is of african descent. garifuna is combination of race. and garifuna didnt get mixed up with africans in the slave ships , thats how garifuna came about. the kalipuna, kalinagu and arawaks mixing with africans. the accents of the africans changed the dialect and garifuna came about
Blacks were always in america/new land because the greater america was indeed part of the Greater Africa . One only has to look at a world map to figure that out ! The Mayan calendar is in fact the Olmec calendar wich far pre dates the so called mayan's calendar. Put that together and you know that the so called american indian came upon black people when they migrated to the new world . I have a problem with so called euro/western scholars and their gross omissions !
What I quote below is from the Garinet website I also have a wonderful book purchased from wal mart called 101 things everyone should know about african american history surprisingly it makes mention of african presence pre Columbus this is something that has been left out we are always made to believe Columbus sailed the ocean before anyone else which is a lie
i have been researching for a while, and have found many good sites such as Garifuna.com, as well as a few online Encyclopedias. i try not to rely on those online encyclopedias, due to the fact that anybody can edit them.
EXACTLY. Hey Migahito did you know you dont exist? I know youre sitting here talking to me but my His story book says you all died out.LMAO shit is hilarious. Its like saying the Romans went extinct because there is no more Roman empire. People are ignorant!
no they were not >_> i am from Suriname where many Arawaks and carib indians still walk aroud just like you and me as a matter of fact i am of west African an Carib decent.
Of course its African BUT there is not a single part of our african culture that wasnt influenced by our Carib intermarriage just as there is no part of our Carib culture that wasnt influenced by our african side. Show me or give me the name of the dance in africa that is EXACTLY the same ....you wont find it. Because Wanaragua is the result of an overlap of culture! Therefore it IS Garifuna!
Unfortunately for you, there was no land called India in 1492. It wasn't the name of a nation back then. So with that established, why did he think he found India when he came to Hispanola? It doesn't make sense.
"People will identify you by how they see you and not by what you tell them." So by your logic i could call an Eskimo Chinese because thats how they look. Or i can call an Igbo, Zulu, just based on appearance?
@butifuldrm I agree with you to the fullest extent Garifuna peopl are of african descent Africans are not only descendents of the arawaks but also of the west africans of the yuroba tribe and ebo tribes in nigeria. how many indian or light skin garifunas are there compared to dark skin garifunas? i mean come on that was silly of azar to even say
So from reading your statement it seems that your under the perception that the garifuna language wasnt origanlly Mende or Malian originally, and if carib is derived from latin/spanish not kalipuna or garifuna why use it to define ourselves.
thats completly incorrect you cant tell me i live here the pure caribs live in sandy bay and look different from the garifuna i am garifuna and i dont look like the ones in central america nor do any of the garifuna in st.vincent 20% of our country is garifuna and 3% is pure carib trust me we know the difference the garifuna in central america were further mixed with more african and jamican slaves where are you from btw honduras? anyways one love garinagu forever
To clear up everything CARIBS/ARAWAKS/TAINOS camt to st.vincent from Venzuela and mixxed with west africans The indigenous people were a brown skin complexion overtime mixxing with africans over and over their indigenous features diminished. However average garifuna person is 74%african and 23%indigenous the rest being european as for the language it is 10%SPANISH 90%AMERINDIAN only 2 african words in the whole language.Garifuna in st.vincent look alot more mixxed then those in central america
There it is, the exact truth. Everyone just assuming with assumptions with any research. Gurefunas are West Africans mixed with Caribs. There origin is Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, an island in the Caribbean.
Youre failing to grasp the fact that the very word "garifuna" indicates an african presence among the caribs. Whom before the african presence werent referred to as "garifuna". So even if what you were saying is true (which its not) its a moot point. We are not like alot of other blacks in different regions that were subjugated in that we can actually trace our ancestory back that many generations.Like i said 99.9% of us can trace our ancestory to the generation that came over from st vincent.
We already established that. &language does define a people but its not the only factor like i stated earlier. You are not making any points. I have repeatedly refuted every point you have attempted to make and you havent made a successful counter argument. You are talking yourself in circles to something ive already proved you wrong on. I suggest you go educate yourself then
To Senor Flores, with the name of a Spanish conquistador, i am not stunned at the British-ness. be it 1523 or 1624, ain't nothing new about Y'all for me. I have Ma Akan name and Ma Carib Silver, i was Born in The Land of Kalinago with Caboney and Galibi Ancestry. but that does not make me or ma Granny THE authority on any culture. Peace to Garifuna, remember Home is Home where ever Your Soul-Nest Rest. BLACK CARIB & YELLOW CARIB 4EVA! Peace to Taino for Arawak Lives in me always.
lol history can say what it wants bro i live here how are you telling me loool im not saying that garifuna in central america arent garifuna your still our brothers and sisters but the ones over there are ALOT more african then the ones here well at least in looks i wouldnt even be able to know the difference from a regular african
Of course LANGUAGE ALONE doesnt make you a specific anything its many factors. If you were to go through the checklist we match u for everything i have stated we were. From language, homeland, culture, dna, phenotype, our what have you. I must mention that the DUTCH were some of the earliest slavers and were most likely our transport to the Caribbean!
So from reading your statement it seems that your under the perception that the garifuna language wasnt origanlly Mende or Malian originally, and if carib is derived from latin spanish and not the kalipuna or garifuna language why use it to define our people at all, plus carib is on the books meaning canibal, Look words have power and the certain worlds have a low frequency vibration that when said put a spell on you and leaves you in a zombie like state
You can use whatever you want. The idea that Columbus thought he found India thus naming the people Indians is false. He knew he didn't find India and he as well as the rest of the Europeans knew what was over here. BTW, Africans weren't call Africans by Europeans either during that time. It is also noted that Columbus took "Natives" back to Europe and their descendants still live there to this day. Now picture a Native American in your head, do you see them frolicking around Europe?
Can u explain just one thing for me, how are u calling your self Garifuna and carib at the same time, when carib is translated to mean canibal. Then again on second thought by looking at your depictions on the vid you just might be a carib. The music is great though.
The reason white south africans dont (on a large scale)claim to be afrikaans is because they claim dutch ancestory. They blacks claim their respective tribes. There is NO PLACE in the history of south africa where these two groups intemarried and isolated themselves from outside elements. You are mixing two completely different stories that are not the same in history. You can make the same argument that there is no such thing as a puerto rican or a brazilian, but that would be your OPINION.
Sorry but there are too many ignorant people who know NOTHING about phenotype and genes for one to base their self identity on how outside entities perceive them.
Carib happens to be one of those trigger words ya dig. look we know who we are, we know what we origianaly called ourselves so why use a corrupted word such as carib any longer.
From now on i recommend all you uninformed dumb stupid google/encyclopedia britanica scholars read 2 books before you even ATTEMPT to debate me. 1)" The Garifuna Story Now And Then" by Don Justo Flores (my grandfather) and "The Black Carib Wars" by Christopher Taylor. Until then stfu with your weak ass debate tactics.99.9% of the arguments ive been presented with on here are like the special kid at the back of the class trying to argue me that cat is spelled with a K.
ok lets use crayons.right india wasn't called "india" ok the name was actuly Hindustan.More likely, the word 'Indian' comes from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian, and did not speak or write very good Spanish, so in his written accounts he called them Indians.Still be that as it may he would have kown of Africans and funny how he didn't describe them as such if they were. see the picture of truth remove the vail of lies only then can you see.
everyone arguing if garifuna are africans or mixed are dumb im from st.vincent where the garifuna come from and they are verrrrrrry mixed silky hair and native american features the garifuna of central america have been mixed down with alot more africans then the original garifuna the original garifuna are a mixed race people they are african carib and arawak come to st.vincent and see for yourself
Wrong! The 18th century first hand accounts wrote that the "black caribs" eventually overtook the yellow caribs and at one point there were no more than 30 yellow caribs on St. Vincent. The black caribs were organized and tenacious. That is why the culture survives today.
I know this is a old post but Africa was part of the south America but that was 10s of millions of years ago.moderm man is only 150-200 hundered thousand years old.man evolved will after the divide.infact it happened will befor the animale which gave birth to man even evolved.what you and others insert is way off and very impossible.
and yes im aware that garifuna in central america hold more culture id never debate that im thankful that you all held on to our culture idk why your getting offended about a fact there is no way possible the garifuna of central america are pure garifuna come to st.vincent and see for yourself dont try and tell me i dont know the difference between a pure carib and a garifuna lol i am garifuna CARIBS PURE CARIBS live in sandy bay we have garifuna here and pure caribs
There is NO such thing as a Carib That is a misnomer. Either Kalinago (Which is correctly pronounced Garinagu) and the individual is a Karifoona pronounced Garifuna. The genocide in Yurumein left the more indigenous looking phenotypes on the island because the notion of free blacks would incite slave revolt on Yurumein.
You obviously know NOTHING about Garifuna history or the Garifuna people! First of all. explain to the forum here what percentage of that 23% actually speak the language.Now explain to the forum what percentage of that 23 actually carries the culture. Now explain to the people how it could even be possible that we in central america are diluted BUT the percentage of us that speak the language and carry the culture is FAR higher than those of you that are in the homeland.
...and calling ME the dumb one for correcting them!LMAO. You lames need to go take that bullshit to a debate on ancient egypt or the moors where you google scientist can pretend to ALMOST sound like you know what youre talking about cuz over here you sound like fucking morons!
Joseph, if you listen to some South American indians (Lokono), you will understand some of what they say. They use a term "wabinabate" which means dance party in their language and in Garifuna. I thought Garifuna was very African but in truth it is almost purely Indian. Now, I have a hypothesis that many so called indians are really African Asian melungeons from centuries of inter mixing. If you look up the ibibio people of Africa who are said to be ancestors of the Garifuna, they look and dress very similar to the indians of the Americas.
@azar78345able They have more than dark skin, they are predominately African in phenotype. African Americans look admixed, not these people. Sorry, but I cannot see any Amerindian admixture in the least bit. They don't look nothing like a *zambo.* I'm not saying it is not there, just that it is a very small component. Their halopgroups I would believe would show African, YDNA and mtDNA.
An as far as the arawaks, etc. They were wiped out by Europeans through diseases, which they had no defense or simply slaughtered. Y'all need to have a least a basic knowledge of things.
Only the greater antilles arawaks were wiped out. Those in South America still exist and speak the language- The Wa'yuu and the Lokono. The lesser antilles arawaks merged with the Kalina to form the Kalinagu or Island Caribs. That is the language the Garifuna speak.
ok well.the people that are there now are not the people who first lived there .columbus the first euro to land there never wrote of black people living there and he would have known what a black person looked like.those islands were used as staging areas during the slave trade yrs and only make sence that blacks populate these islands now.your highly educated by those who taught you but unfortunately those who taught you are wrong.They now this but rely on you to believe or whats the point.
Long live the Garifuna people! My people.
it should be noted that the Igneri (Arawak peoples) were already living in the lesser Antilles before the Karina (Carib) came and mixed with them. Which is why Garifuna is at its base an Arawakan language with some Carib elements.
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The music is EXCELLENT, and the information spot on accurate
Hey, Western Africa and The New World were once connected as one land. Also, I do remember being told that Columbus actually wrote in his journal that the first people columbus saw when he landed in the new world were in fact black people. Euro scholars have been known to omit certain facts when comes to black people. Just look at american history and the Omissions of black contrbutions . I was taught about Black contributions in america until long after I finnished school.
B4BoomersBlockBoy7 facts and he described them as ethiopians
Beautiful black cultures
Very good background information for anyone wanting to understand who the Garifuna people are. I am looking forward to part two.
Thank you!
i love the video :)
Im a garifuna/carib women myself. I love learning more and more about my culture. cant wait to see more aba hisien
love the drums omg
Furthermore Waranagua is just one of our forms of Garifuna ceremonial song/dance. We aslo have "Abeimahani/Arumahani" (which you can go to south america and see our Carib cousins also do to this day), "Huguhugun" (which is also an overlap of Carib/African). Our ancestors were good at seeing where their cultures were similar and they accentuated those points. You can see this in our song,dance,etc etc,and especially in our traditional religion.
THANK YOU from Richmond Vale Academy in St. Vincent and the Grenadines!!!!
Take note, that this great African accomplishment took place before Columbus accidentally landed in the Caribbean august 12th, 1492. The Africans came in peace, sharing their knowledge with the red Caribs and Arawaks. The Africans who eventually remained in the Caribbean intermarried into the Caribs and Arawaks. Since the Africans have different characteristics from that of their hosts, their offspring were dark in complexion, had coarse hair, a slender build and an average of 5 feet 9 inches in
I love my Garifuna culture!!!
Tunes are on point, whats the name of the tracks played during video?
Good video anybody who is Garifuna or is non garifuna i tell them to do their own reserach concerning our peoples culture.
This depends, have they developed their own distinct culture? You CAN NOT find Garifuna Culture in Africa as it is today, just as you can barley find the Carib side of our culture in the islands as its once was. The culture lives through us! In our culture, our language. our way of life. and yes, through our blood our dna.
In the book "Readings in Belizean History " My Teacher Dr. Joseph Flores defends that, by 1802, there were more than 150 families living in Dangriga, before the 1832 Settlement.,
Can This Information be Revised or Has it Been Discarded?
My Respect for Your Work!
love love love my carib people shout out to my sweet home Triunfo de la Cruz from ChiTown!!!
YOUR AMERICAN, U GUYS DONT HAVE A CULTURE
Quimica R what do you mean. Even Americans have a culture and it's not the same as ours. We don't even speak the same language for example???
***** joe, americans use to have a culture, nowadays its non existence.. americans in general they look lost and live in a bubble, deep down u know this is true
Quimica R hot dogs , hip hop, baseball , foot ball, MTV, McDonald's. All of these are examples of American culture.
***** thats brainwashing, MTV??? really thats horrible, mcdonald, thats cancer food, i assume u eat ur own tribal food, its probably more healthy
Not to get into a debate with you but :Both North & South America were once part of Africa /Alkebulan , not just south america. The land break up and /or separation occured a little more 250,000 yrs ago., not 10's pf millions years ago. One human foot print was dated to 1.5 million yrs. ago [ not mokey or ape footprint ] , So humans have been around a lot longer then certain scientist claim.
Pangaea
up to tip of Morocco . Now that's not a coincidence. There are lots of land puzzle fits bettween the two continents that can't be argued away ! There are lots of African discoveries in america that have been omited from history. I don't think Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and some others didn't research deep enough !
"In the early 1300s, the Mali Empire was the leading country in technology. King Abubakari, brother of Mansa Musa the emperor, ventured on a journey to expand trade and commerce with other countries. With over two thousand sailors, Abubakari sailed away with ships laden with precious stones, gold, fruits, plants and agricultural tools. During the journey, these brave sailors separated and drifted apart. As a result they landed in the Americas and the Caribbean. cont
In the archives of Timbuktu the Arabic documentation talks of two thousand ships
It’s the music for me !
What HAPPENED to the SECOND PART of this STORY?
The Japanese migrated from China. Today they are still seen as a different people. You couldnt call native americans "Asian" even though thats where they all originated. Alot of factors go into defining a "People".
The Garifuna of central america you see today are the same exact people who came over from saint vincent. The pure Kalinagu/ Kalipuna or the ones that could pass for pure were permitted to stay. There were probably even LESS africans for us to mix with in central america at that time than there was in the islands. Furthermore it was taboo to marry outside of the tribe. Kalinagu = Carib/ Arawak , Garinagu=African+Kalinagu(Carib/Arawak)
Or Kalinago is Kalina and African. Where the Karina were the mainland nation the Kalina were of the islands. With the arrival of the Malian expedition they be ame the Kalinago...one people many colours.
"They should choose. This would control the bunch of Bantu looking black people down there from claiming ARAWAK or GARIFUNA." The same features you acredit to being "Bantu" you can acredit to being "Carib" or "Arawak". Some of us have feature more close to what YOU would call "Bantu" some of us have feautres YOU would more closely relate to being "Carib/Arawak". You sometimes have siblings with one looking typically "Carib/Arawak" and the other more "Bantu". Same blood in all of us.
LMAO! Shit is funny as hell! Love when people come to someone who 's people still SPEAK arawak carry on the culture and has arawak blood pumping to their veins and tells them "hey yall dont exist, yall were wiped out" lmfao. Lemme ask ya somethin. Have you ever been to St Vincent, Venezuela, Brazil, Belize, Honduras. Or does your info come from google or some encyclopedia? FUNNY SHIT.
You CAN NOT denote CULTURE or HERITAGE by phenotype alone. Look at Obama's daughters. Looking at them it would be hard to tell they have blonde haired blue eyed great grand parents ......now imagine them have children with a typically "bantu" looking man or even someone with the same mix as them. It gets even more difficult to tell their european ancestry. African genes are dominant! Now take this same scenario with someone being mixed with African& Natives who already had similar features.
There's a outline of a face from along the east coast from Virginia up to the tip of Massachusetts which fits perfect with the outline of a face from the west coast of Africa from Mauritania up to the tip of Morocco. There are lots other places along the east coast of North and South America which also fit the West Coast Of Africa like puzzle .
Where can i find this
As of May 4, 2010 there was another human foot print of a human wearing a sandal .The sandal that seems to have crushed a living trilobite (300 to 600 million years ago) was 10 1/4 inches long and 3 1/2 inches wide . No need to further debate me. You can reference this information at the Library Of Congress with updates ! Thank You
wats up bro. thanks for the knowledge. I been trying to get some info on the garifuna people. My great grand mother was half carib, and my great grandfather was a quarter carib. My family is from St Vincent and the Grenadines, one of the islands the Caribs Indians migrated to
There's still a population of Caribs living there
hi, i am from The United States of America, and am doing a report on the Garifuna people. My mom has been to Barranco, a village in belize a few hours from Belize city. I am trying to do this report unbiased, so i am staying away from historical documents written from the point of view of Columbus. i am having an extremely hard time finding reputable sources of the history of the garifuna people. Can you please send me a message with links to a few true garifuna history sources?
"Every culture has been influenced by another culture on earth and Garifuna is rightly an upshoot of African culture and Caribbean culture but that fusion does not make Typical black people to become Garifuna." African/Carib indian IS the definition of Garifuna!
realy informative.. Thanks for the research and the pictures. I fyou can allow more time for the lierature to remain for proper reading... Thanks
You can not use the fact that a few white south africans you have seen have learned the language to make the statement that white south africans as a people speak zulu or xhosa. Just because ive seen some mexicans speak german can i use that to say "hey well mexicans speak german"? Garifuna itself is primarily Carib just as it was spoke in pre colombian times. Most borrowed words are for nouns and objects that didnt exist amongst us before contact with these other peoples.
Going to put up a video with some of my relatives split screened with typical Caribs& Arawaks, you tell me if you dont see twins. The Garifuna arent one or the other we are an admixture which is what allowed our culture to survive so strongly where others have died out. Remember it wasnt a steady stream of africans we mixed with. It was one or two small groups and the rest of our genetic reinforcement came from the people we lived amongst, the Caribs.
Very interesting but I am having a very hard time reading it. Is a transcript available please?
Educational but most people keep forgetting that the Caribs had already intermingled with Africans before the slave trade. Africans from Mali used to make trades with the Caribs and some of them stayed over in the Carribean and married the Caribs. Yes it's true when Columbus sailed the ocean blue Africans had already done it Please do your history.
So is a Grapefruit a Pomelo or a Sweet Orange? Is a Pitbull a Bulldog or a Terrier? Is a Mule a Donkey or a Horse?
There are lots of places in America with African artifacts which are omitted from science and history ! Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and others just didn't research deep enough !
unfortunately history shows the evidence goes against what your comment says. Most of the Garifuna that ended up in central america were from the clans that were still fighting the british at that time. For example Gulisi the daughter of Chief Joseph Satuye himself was with one of the groups that ended up in Roatan Honduras. Most of we central american garifuna can trace our family tree all the way back to the very generation that came over from Yurumein.
yes you are right the lands were once connected but that was 10's of millions years ago.Columbus did describe the people he saw and what he saw is in the name he gave them "Indians" he actuly though he landed somewhere in india.sorry it took so long to reply.now blacks were around in his time(chuckle,giggle.) he would have without a doubt known what a africn looked like but infact he did not describe them in that way.
Your example = A white south african speaking zulu or xhosa as a second language.
Garifuna speaking garifuna = People speaking garifuna as a primary language of communication. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Garinagu is the people Garifuna is things belonging to the Garinagu people whether if be language or culture. The GARINAGU dont exist as a people until after you have the intermarriage between the native caribs and the west african captives.
Joseph :There's MUCH evidence to support that theory!
@azar783408 who said they were enslaved?! i never mentioned that. and it seems to me that you have contradicted yourself. you said earlier that garifuna is not of african descent, then later you said that garifuna is of african descent. garifuna is combination of race. and garifuna didnt get mixed up with africans in the slave ships , thats how garifuna came about. the kalipuna, kalinagu and arawaks mixing with africans. the accents of the africans changed the dialect and garifuna came about
Blacks were always in america/new land because the greater america was indeed part of the Greater Africa . One only has to look at a world map to figure that out ! The Mayan calendar is in fact the Olmec calendar wich far pre dates the so called mayan's calendar. Put that together and you know that the so called american indian came upon black people when they migrated to the new world . I have a problem with so called euro/western scholars and their gross omissions !
What I quote below is from the Garinet website
I also have a wonderful book purchased from wal mart called 101 things everyone should know about african american history surprisingly it makes mention of african presence pre Columbus
this is something that has been left out we are always made to believe Columbus sailed the ocean before anyone else which is a lie
Yes the voyages of Abubakri of Mali reflect that in 1311
"In other words there are thousands of new groups today right ?." Yes now youre learning! .......& every "group" was a new "group" at some point!
i have been researching for a while, and have found many good sites such as Garifuna.com, as well as a few online Encyclopedias. i try not to rely on those online encyclopedias, due to the fact that anybody can edit them.
.....including the ancestors of chatoyer himself. People like tv. ramos, and even myself!
EXACTLY. Hey Migahito did you know you dont exist? I know youre sitting here talking to me but my His story book says you all died out.LMAO shit is hilarious. Its like saying the Romans went extinct because there is no more Roman empire. People are ignorant!
no they were not >_> i am from Suriname where many Arawaks and carib indians still walk aroud just like you and me as a matter of fact i am of west African an Carib decent.
Of course its African BUT there is not a single part of our african culture that wasnt influenced by our Carib intermarriage just as there is no part of our Carib culture that wasnt influenced by our african side. Show me or give me the name of the dance in africa that is EXACTLY the same ....you wont find it. Because Wanaragua is the result of an overlap of culture! Therefore it IS Garifuna!
hmmmmm not sure about it.
Unfortunately for you, there was no land called India in 1492. It wasn't the name of a nation back then. So with that established, why did he think he found India when he came to Hispanola? It doesn't make sense.
Maybe because it was a lie and everyone in the know then knew what was here
@alexjones67 "We are not Africans we are just a mixture of them."
If that'd be the case, they would look Puerto Rican or Dominican.
"People will identify you by how they see you and not by what you tell them." So by your logic i could call an Eskimo Chinese because thats how they look. Or i can call an Igbo, Zulu, just based on appearance?
@butifuldrm I agree with you to the fullest extent Garifuna peopl are of african descent Africans are not only descendents of the arawaks but also of the west africans of the yuroba tribe and ebo tribes in nigeria. how many indian or light skin garifunas are there compared to dark skin garifunas? i mean come on that was silly of azar to even say
So from reading your statement it seems that your under the perception that the garifuna language wasnt origanlly Mende or Malian originally, and if carib is derived from latin/spanish not kalipuna or garifuna why use it to define ourselves.
thats completly incorrect you cant tell me i live here the pure caribs live in sandy bay and look different from the garifuna i am garifuna and i dont look like the ones in central america nor do any of the garifuna in st.vincent 20% of our country is garifuna and 3% is pure carib trust me we know the difference the garifuna in central america were further mixed with more african and jamican slaves where are you from btw honduras? anyways one love garinagu forever
To clear up everything CARIBS/ARAWAKS/TAINOS camt to st.vincent from Venzuela and mixxed with west africans The indigenous people were a brown skin complexion overtime mixxing with africans over and over their indigenous features diminished. However average garifuna person is 74%african and 23%indigenous the rest being european as for the language it is 10%SPANISH 90%AMERINDIAN only 2 african words in the whole language.Garifuna in st.vincent look alot more mixxed then those in central america
There it is, the exact truth. Everyone just assuming with assumptions with any research. Gurefunas are West Africans mixed with Caribs. There origin is Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, an island in the Caribbean.
Youre failing to grasp the fact that the very word "garifuna" indicates an african presence among the caribs. Whom before the african presence werent referred to as "garifuna". So even if what you were saying is true (which its not) its a moot point. We are not like alot of other blacks in different regions that were subjugated in that we can actually trace our ancestory back that many generations.Like i said 99.9% of us can trace our ancestory to the generation that came over from st vincent.
Joseph Flores how
@@teddydajew3047 How what sir?
What is your definition of Carib please?
We already established that. &language does define a people but its not the only factor like i stated earlier. You are not making any points. I have repeatedly refuted every point you have attempted to make and you havent made a successful counter argument. You are talking yourself in circles to something ive already proved you wrong on. I suggest you go educate yourself then
the music is totally AFRICAN!!!!
are the Garifuna descended from Africa?!?
dogons2k12 yes we are african culture black Carib language
African merged with Indigenous South American and speaking a mostly Arawak Weyu Lokono based language with a French based numbering and Calendar.
To Senor Flores, with the name of a Spanish conquistador, i am not stunned at the British-ness. be it 1523 or 1624, ain't nothing new about Y'all for me. I have Ma Akan name and Ma Carib Silver, i was Born in The Land of Kalinago with Caboney and Galibi Ancestry. but that does not make me or ma Granny THE authority on any culture. Peace to Garifuna, remember Home is Home where ever Your Soul-Nest Rest. BLACK CARIB & YELLOW CARIB 4EVA! Peace to Taino for Arawak Lives in me always.
lol history can say what it wants bro i live here how are you telling me loool im not saying that garifuna in central america arent garifuna your still our brothers and sisters but the ones over there are ALOT more african then the ones here well at least in looks i wouldnt even be able to know the difference from a regular african
Of course LANGUAGE ALONE doesnt make you a specific anything its many factors. If you were to go through the checklist we match u for everything i have stated we were. From language, homeland, culture, dna, phenotype, our what have you. I must mention that the DUTCH were some of the earliest slavers and were most likely our transport to the Caribbean!
So from reading your statement it seems that your under the perception that the garifuna language wasnt origanlly Mende or Malian originally, and if carib is derived from latin spanish and not the kalipuna or garifuna language why use it to define our people at all, plus carib is on the books meaning canibal, Look words have power and the certain worlds have a low frequency vibration that when said put a spell on you and leaves you in a zombie like state
You can use whatever you want. The idea that Columbus thought he found India thus naming the people Indians is false. He knew he didn't find India and he as well as the rest of the Europeans knew what was over here. BTW, Africans weren't call Africans by Europeans either during that time. It is also noted that Columbus took "Natives" back to Europe and their descendants still live there to this day. Now picture a Native American in your head, do you see them frolicking around Europe?
Can u explain just one thing for me, how are u calling your self Garifuna and carib at the same time, when carib is translated to mean canibal. Then again on second thought by looking at your depictions on the vid you just might be a carib. The music is great though.
The reason white south africans dont (on a large scale)claim to be afrikaans is because they claim dutch ancestory. They blacks claim their respective tribes. There is NO PLACE in the history of south africa where these two groups intemarried and isolated themselves from outside elements. You are mixing two completely different stories that are not the same in history. You can make the same argument that there is no such thing as a puerto rican or a brazilian, but that would be your OPINION.
We'll only look stupid to the ignorant!
Oh well if his story book says so than i must be a ghost right now and the enchant Egyptians were in deed white than LOL
Sorry but there are too many ignorant people who know NOTHING about phenotype and genes for one to base their self identity on how outside entities perceive them.
Yes and you google/encyclopedia scholars will have ONLY that .......BASIC knowledge.
Carib happens to be one of those trigger words ya dig. look we know who we are, we know what we origianaly called ourselves so why use a corrupted word such as carib any longer.
Ironically it is used in St Vincent
but anyways im not going to argue with you its not a big deal to me garifun is garifuna either way and im proud of our history adios
From now on i recommend all you uninformed dumb stupid google/encyclopedia britanica scholars read 2 books before you even ATTEMPT to debate me. 1)" The Garifuna Story Now And Then" by Don Justo Flores (my grandfather) and "The Black Carib Wars" by Christopher Taylor. Until then stfu with your weak ass debate tactics.99.9% of the arguments ive been presented with on here are like the special kid at the back of the class trying to argue me that cat is spelled with a K.
White people in south africa dont speak, as their own , language zulu or xhosa, they speak dutch.
ok lets use crayons.right india wasn't called "india" ok the name was actuly Hindustan.More likely, the word 'Indian' comes from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian, and did not speak or write very good Spanish, so in his written accounts he called them Indians.Still be that as it may he would have kown of Africans and funny how he didn't describe them as such if they were. see the picture of truth remove the vail of lies only then can you see.
rj larson
Hindu actually means Black
everyone arguing if garifuna are africans or mixed are dumb im from st.vincent where the garifuna come from and they are verrrrrrry mixed silky hair and native american features the garifuna of central america have been mixed down with alot more africans then the original garifuna the original garifuna are a mixed race people they are african carib and arawak come to st.vincent and see for yourself
Wrong! The 18th century first hand accounts wrote that the "black caribs" eventually overtook the yellow caribs and at one point there were no more than 30 yellow caribs on St. Vincent. The black caribs were organized and tenacious. That is why the culture survives today.
I know this is a old post but Africa was part of the south America but that was 10s of millions of years ago.moderm man is only 150-200 hundered thousand years old.man evolved will after the divide.infact it happened will befor the animale which gave birth to man even evolved.what you and others insert is way off and very impossible.
and yes im aware that garifuna in central america hold more culture id never debate that im thankful that you all held on to our culture idk why your getting offended about a fact there is no way possible the garifuna of central america are pure garifuna come to st.vincent and see for yourself dont try and tell me i dont know the difference between a pure carib and a garifuna lol i am garifuna CARIBS PURE CARIBS live in sandy bay we have garifuna here and pure caribs
There is NO such thing as a Carib
That is a misnomer. Either Kalinago (Which is correctly pronounced Garinagu) and the individual is a Karifoona pronounced Garifuna. The genocide in Yurumein left the more indigenous looking phenotypes on the island because the notion of free blacks would incite slave revolt on Yurumein.
You obviously know NOTHING about Garifuna history or the Garifuna people! First of all. explain to the forum here what percentage of that 23% actually speak the language.Now explain to the forum what percentage of that 23 actually carries the culture. Now explain to the people how it could even be possible that we in central america are diluted BUT the percentage of us that speak the language and carry the culture is FAR higher than those of you that are in the homeland.
yes im sure some whites historians did "omit" somethings just as i am sure that some black historians "added in" a few things as well.
...and calling ME the dumb one for correcting them!LMAO. You lames need to go take that bullshit to a debate on ancient egypt or the moors where you google scientist can pretend to ALMOST sound like you know what youre talking about cuz over here you sound like fucking morons!
Garifuna IS a black language!
Joseph, if you listen to some South American indians (Lokono), you will understand some of what they say. They use a term "wabinabate" which means dance party in their language and in Garifuna. I thought Garifuna was very African but in truth it is almost purely Indian. Now, I have a hypothesis that many so called indians are really African Asian melungeons from centuries of inter mixing. If you look up the ibibio people of Africa who are said to be ancestors of the Garifuna, they look and dress very similar to the indians of the Americas.
@azar78345able They have more than dark skin, they are predominately African in phenotype. African Americans look admixed, not these people. Sorry, but I cannot see any Amerindian admixture in the least bit. They don't look nothing like a *zambo.* I'm not saying it is not there, just that it is a very small component. Their halopgroups I would believe would show African, YDNA and mtDNA.
Youre an idiot! Why do you think they all have different names for themselves? To distinguished themselves as a people.
An as far as the arawaks, etc. They were wiped out by Europeans through diseases, which they had no defense or simply slaughtered. Y'all need to have a least a basic knowledge of things.
Only the greater antilles arawaks were wiped out. Those in South America still exist and speak the language- The Wa'yuu and the Lokono. The lesser antilles arawaks merged with the Kalina to form the Kalinagu or Island Caribs. That is the language the Garifuna speak.
Your knowledge is just that....basic. Do actual research.
ok well.the people that are there now are not the people who first lived there .columbus the first euro to land there never wrote of black people living there and he would have known what a black person looked like.those islands were used as staging areas during the slave trade yrs and only make sence that blacks populate these islands now.your highly educated by those who taught you but unfortunately those who taught you are wrong.They now this but rely on you to believe or whats the point.