My man is educating the people. I can be lazy about liking and commenting on videos but I try to always do so on this guys channel. Always good smart content, dude needs about a million subs so we can keep him slaving away on more videos.
My DIR-V was missing a waterproofing o-ring on the battery cap( and the battery spring as mentioned). They told me at first that they would replace the whole unit. Then I guess they figured it would be cheaper to just send me a new battery cap instead, so they did that. Definitely early adopter tech issues, which is surprising when considering the cost of the unit.
dayum. Yeah. This is one of those things where it's neat for those pushing the cutting edge. But for the average joe. It's tough to say "drop 2100 bucks" or whatever the price is.
@@BrassFacts goodness. The longer I own this unit the more it seems almost like a DIY kit or something. My battery cap screw started backing out under recoil. The selector knob on the back can easily slide off if you pull on it. Mine wasn't properly glued onto the selector inside. The selector knob has a sticker on it to show which mode it's on. That's why yours was misaligned on your new unit. Mine too. That can be fixed with some patience and rubbing alcohol, at least. The CR 123 depicted on the top sticker is slanted and it drives me nuts. They should've put that CR123A battery pictogram closer to the right edge of the sticker, closer to where it actually goes. I think they should've made another little crimped wire like on the battery cap for the diffuser so that it's alway with the unit. Or maybe something like the PEQ15s have. Anything but just letting it loose. Now I'm afraid the screws in the front lens assemblies might back out or something. I have more faith in a potted somogear than this thing TBH.
I've learned already how the algorithm works, being a completely nonexistent channel and getting 8k views on my first serious video as someone with 30 subs because I jammed into the HSP TRMP product wave before anyone else reviewed it. That said, in this particular case I don't think your video will tank just because of the designate IR's low internet footprint right now. Because literally everyone who owns night vision is looking for a NOT 3000 dollar alternative to full power, fell off the supply truck PEQs (MAWL) and a vcsel laser illuminator is really high in demand. The next big thing will be the eotech laser. But then again night vision ownership is a pretty niche crowd, so you may max out around 30kish views on this. I don't know. I do know that personally I placed huge importance on this video and watched it twice the moment it came out lmao. Keep doing what you're doing bro. Big fan.
@@TrevDri my crayon eater brain tends to look towards “subject matter experts” but you buy enough crap products you start second guessing and looking for outside opinions!
I just got a DesignateIR, haven’t had time to get out at night an shoot with it. But, it sits great on the rifle completely under my optic like mentioned. An my original one was lost in shipping, and Chris an the USNV group was AWESOME! With getting right on sending me a new one out that day without any questions asked! They responded to every email within a hour, great customer service so far.
Yep I'll keep my Dbal D2. Best option in performance of the civie legal units. Agreed though, it's a beastly piece of NV kit. My eyes are always open for cost & performing comparable upcoming options. This one seems to be hitting close to it though. Gives me optimism for future releases.
Great review, I've had my DIR-V since early summer and I've been very happy with it. BTW the way the VCSEL gets around FDA regs is the VCSEL is an array of led emitters laid out like pixels instead of a single diode.
It's surface emitting lasers packed into a thing, not LEDs. Most lasers are side emitting iirc. The reason it works is - as far as I understand it anyway - it's technically many many emtters instead of one laser.
If you could go back would you of just saved up for a mawl? Im just getting into NV and i cant decide on what laser/illunimator i should get. I live in the mountains so…
@@mikeanshit158 That's a hard call to make, I don't think the price/performance ratio of the MAWL makes any sense, particularly when they haven't had the best reliability track record, but then again I don't think the pricing of ANY full power or VCSEL-based laser system makes sense, the components and materials that go into them simply aren't that expensive, even the VCSEL arrays. The good news is that there's new products being introduced to the NV world at much higher rate now than really any time previously, so the answer to "the best laser system" will change.
Time for a yearly update brass facts. I tested one of the beta models and a lot of our feedback made it into the arisaka changes which was nice to see. My original beta model lost zero and also had alignment problems like yours, due to the polymer clamps (now fixed with arisaka and the updated captured button, and the new captured diffuser cap).
+1 for the designate IR-V. Love mine. Update: I had the gen1 unit, and I burned out the illuminator twice. Both times they have been EXTREMELY responsive. The first time they did a repair, the second time they sent me a brand new gen2 unit with all the updates. The new version has protections to prevent the illuminator from getting burned out. Disappointed in the failures, but I’m impressed that USNV and 3EIR genuinely wants to get this thing right.
Good review on the illuminator. I’ve got the 3EIR Vulcan illuminator head on my CTF2 (same VCSEL illuminator as the DesignatIR-V) and it’s pretty good for the price. So the DIR-V illuminator should delivers pretty good other than keyhole shooting. If you just want the better illuminator the DIR-V has, look at the Vulcan to get that illuminator, for ~$499 the Vulcan it’s a LEGIT competitor to the $800+ Kiji… yeah, it’s got less modes (only one) and a hair less throw (5-degree beam, measured), but it’s got a clean spot without too much spill. At the East Coast Night Shoot my Vulcan was throwing well out to the 400 & 500 yard berms. Which to be honest is about as far as you’d want to be shooting a 5.56mm rifle at something to begin with. I dropped a few videos showing the Vulcan illuminator in various conditions (and the DIR-V illuminator would be the same). FYI, CTF2/CTF3 + Vulcan and E1HT is ~$1350 so even better price than the D2/DIR-V and you get a solid white light option. However I’m actually running my CTF2 with a Vulcan/KM1E for the MAWL-at-home experience.
Since form factor seems to be the unique feature to this unit, I can see this being a huge benefit for AK users wanting to mount a laser at the 12 while still keeping their optic mounts low, and not having to shell out for specializrd handguards and MFALs from Zenitco.
Really excited to see how the EOTech LAM performs since everything else is pretty much expensive, shit, or expensive shit. Time will tell hwo good it is but I'm tempted to pick one up right away because I feel like EOTech will get it right and regardless of how good it is, there'll probably be high demand in the beginning
@@brendanmarriott661 Like a year ago he posted a video that actually was a pretty good review of primary arms but he rightfully pointed out the cons, along with a long list of pros. Primary Arms got on his video and raised hell about him not knowing what he's talking about. Or something like that. I forget exactly
Just getting into night vision stuff this year has been a little depressing for the lasers. I run a Perst-4 and Arisaka light with Malkoff head on my AKS-74U and it works well. I'm not a big fan of pressing two buttons but under the clock, I didn't have any issues activating both devices at the same time. The Perst is of course a bit harder to get now. I've used that setup out to 50 yards as that was what was available to shoot. Since it was cheap, I decided to grab a Somogear PEQ-15 clone. That thing is nuclear bright. It is not perfect, but it functions well for my limited time with it. We will see how it works after putting some rounds downrange.
Shannon's reply disappeared, but I plan to keep the Perst-4 as I like the size on my AKS-74U and will just continue to train to activate both buttons. I did snag a diffuser from ebay for the laser that diffuses the Perst's dirty beam and gives some illumination. Indoors it works great. Outside, it is lacking and the Malkoff head takes over illumination duties. I do plan to check out the new EoTech LAM when it launches. If the price is around $1500 and beats the other options in that price range, then it is probably going to be a must buy.
@BLUNTSMOKE304 Lots of airsoft products are better than people know or will admit. Especially compared to products that have been out long enough to produce a bunch of clones.
Really appreciate this video; as a DBAL D2 user I was on the fence about trying this one out but after watching this I picked one up (Optics Planet had a Black Friday deal that dropped it down under $1600. The DBAL is such a chunky boi that I really don't like running it on a quad rail for weight's sake, but the DIR-V is a way better option in that regard...thanks again, man
I purchased my Perst-3 almost 2 years ago for $1300 new and absolutely love it. It's almost $2200 now. Can't believe how inflated the prices have become.
The new versions are $2000-2300 right now, and that's if you come to their office in Moscow and buy with cash roubles. Shit's wack beyond belief. On the other hand, there's a slow, but steady stream of captured PEQs filtering in, among other things. Blessed be the American taxpayer for funding all the expensive toys we're getting!
I’ve had the exact experience. I’ve had my P3 for 2years now for $1300 and have been using it a ton Since now the only shooting I do now is at night. Thing has been rocksolid. The illuminator is amazing. even though this is a unusual way of doing things , I’ve consistently lit up my steel targets at 500 yards looking through a daytime optic with my PVS14. No problem at all making hits And that is looking through a 2.5 to 10 power scope I consider the P3 one of my best purchases. Now with the war andthe inflated prices, if I had to do it all over again today, I would get one of the full power peq15s that are used. Seem to be a good bit of them now, however, I see that their illuminators are drastically different one to another.
Hey man, don’t know if you’ll see this, but as someone currently saving up to purchase NVGs and WMLs, your content is always my first stop! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
EOTech OGL (On Gun Laser) *should* be out like February of 2023, and contains a VSCEL illuminator, adjustable diffuser, and small form factor at a price of about $1300 civilian and $1500 full power. Fingers crossed it's up to snuff..
I am cautiously optimistic about the InvisibleSight NGAL as a challenger to the Perst3/PEQ15. 1000 for an FP unit with lifetime warranty, actually good QC and durability would absolutely corner the market.
hop sorta already has that. well just options on the market. Best is hard to do because it's basically FP grey market peq, or a 4000 dollar raid-x that requires connections
Just spoke to John at US night vision, they do now have an Ariska Aluminum Mounting system, and a the diffuser is tethered! I live local to them and John is letting me head to their facility to check them out sometime in the coming week!
This is why I go with my pulsar thermal scope perfectly sighted in. Don’t need a infrared laser. 6 grand and you’re are dialed in. Sees right through those shadows
@brassfacts, I would like to say the past few videos have been a treat. from video editing perspective I think you've shown 3 different qualities of content between this one, what I'd say is your normal, and the yeah its not the nest but the best part is its a gaggle to watch with you and hop's cocktails and quandaries impromptu recording. it show's that you don't have to make the highest standard all the time, otherwise its a white wall without color. that makes times such as this intro, stand out and I'd be willing to say this will be a huge highlight for your channel
Nvg will be a 2023 purchase. I like the concept if the CTF functioning as a modular hub. I am hoping the next generation can take the 18350 rechargeables and my modlite head
The only thing I ever heard about USNV was on some nightvision group on facebook(should have been my first clue). The brand gets blasted any time someone mentions them/asks a question. When I asked if they made quality products, everything came back to some issue they had with another company about pvs14 wraps or some jazz. Apparently everyone and their mother is pissed off about something someone else did to yet another someone, all the while not being affected themselves in any way. It took 50+ comments before I got an answer that they "use lower quality lenses in their 14's". No proof, just what another person heard. My takeaway was that Facebook groups are stupid. Good to see people actually getting out and actually using their products, been eyeballing this laser for a bit.
I really like the form factor if the CTF and the fact that it's laser, illuminator and white light all in one package I'm just waiting on them to release a version that can use a tape switch so I can move it further back on a riser so I'm not stuck with something that needs to maintain zero out on the handguard, and it also keeps the weight further back
wait is that a spikes honeybadger lower? That was my first lower, and the build still sits as it was back in 2012 EDIT : great point about the FDA/civilian laser gatekeeping. Dangerous if you were to point it at a person - Yet its going on a firearm which will always have that same condition to it.
Great vid as always brother, I’d love to see you and hop do reviews on the Iray Rico Micro rl25 and rh25. With the gear experience you guys have I think it would be really interesting to get your perspective on them. Jack of all trades master of none, or (God voice) ‘GAMECHANGERRR’
My somogear is still holding strong. There is another challenger in the “questionable Chinese LAM” market though. Invisible sight. They’ve been around for some time now but I’m seeing more people bringing them up now. They do an NGAL and a PEQ. Perhaps something for you to look into
Nearly $1,000 for their models? Hard No. I got a SoMo peq for under $200 and it's still holding. If I'm throwing over a grand at a laser I'll get a CTF
I know some people who ordered the NGAL but are still waiting on it to arrive. If they execute well, they'll absolutely corner the market on all the people whove been buying foreign FP LAMs
Nothing but good things to say about USNV. Pvs14 is great, no inclusions at all in the tube. laser works perfectly so far. bump helmet they sent me was too small and they replaced it with a ballistic helmet.
@@caseypot6486 well, bank error in my favor. a number of my friends have purchased from them also and have all had positive experiences. I am interested to hear why you hate them so much.
I didn't even know this existed. I own a Steiner DBAL-D2, I2 9007 and an ATPIAL-C. While the DBAL-D2 easily out performs the other two, the thing is so chunky and so heavy I won't use it on anything with more than an 11.5" barrel. Out on the end of a 14.5" or 16" barreled gun the thing is obnoxious. So much so that I'd probably be willing to lose some illuminator power and go with a Steiner DBAL-A3 or pony up for a gray market full power laser.
Hey I’m not Brass Facts. But I do have a DIR-v with about 2000 rounds on it, multiple classes and range sessions. The updated arisaka metal mount and arisaka button are awesome upgrades. It’s still bright as fuck and my lasers are coaligned. My only gripe is a the selector dial is kinda mushy, not very tactile, but it works fine.
The price of IR equipment is getting way out of control. I'd wager that they're maybe in for $100 in materials, probably the housing being the most expensive single part. This seems to be the case with all of these devices. When I look at the price of laser diodes in IR, I'm just left completely baffled where we go from a $30 diode to a $2k unit. At least the holosun makes me feel like I'm getting something with a titanium housing at $1100, along with white light.
All about R&D. I'm trying to get my own lasers made and imported here, it costs a fucking lot of money. Board design, molds, cnc, parts, assembly, shipping, coalignment of lasers, etc. Obviously some devices are retardedly overpriced, but keep in mind you're not paying for the materials you're holding, you're paying for a functioning device that you can't make yourself because you lack the tools, skills, and knowledge to create and or buy all the necessary components needed to make a fully functioning laser. Oh and not to mention you're paying even more for FP due to it being over the legal limit. There's a lot more to lasers than just a plastic housing and some diodes wired together.
@@rekerboi1125 I get that but you don't see the same level of departure from component costs as you do in IR lasers. Hell, you don't even see it in night vision. The only guess I have at the expense is that the units are in an awkward area where people want them, but the market is too small for the economy of scale to bring the price point to something reasonable. Meaning that you're getting closer to paying for 1 offs than you are a serial production item.
@@skyhop right, because the market is so limited that companies can charge whatever they want because they know you'll pay for it anyway because you need it, just like insulin. Mass production is cheap, but at these prices it's like buying at serial production, not even. That coupled with price criteria depending on statistics of preexisting lasers and their abilities sets specific bars that are quite hard to beat. It's very difficult to be innovative in laser design to make something that checks all the boxes and can sell for high money. Like, nobody is gonna be selling lasers for 1k and under, absolutely no way. Profits too low to sustain employees and costs for time and materials. It hurts to be paying in the 1500-3k range, but that is an inevitability of this market. Lots of variables that go into account here.
Lol it doesn’t cost $100 to make these. They need to be highly resistant to stress to avoid zero shift. Manufacturing is a little bit harder than dropping a laser diode in a 3D printed cube and calling it a day
I just received this laser illuminator. The ir laser is a cluster of lasers with a 6” diameter series of lasers for aiming. Is that right? This is my first laser illuminator and I am new to night vision. Any help would be appreciated.
the issue is that your paying ~2000 dollar for form factor, and user interface. Performance is near identical to the D2 I'm not discounting the need for rapid adjust focus (it's fucking awesome) but 2000 + for that is a tall price for that for civs.
In my defense, that is footage of me training/practicing. I love GT, but the footage you see in his intro is scripted and setup to look good (all filmed in one day too). Different goals. I won't ever compare to a GT intro, because we have different goals when we film.
What is your opinion on the general propensity to include a vis laser with these setups ? Except for zeroing, provided it's slaved to the IR laser, I don't see much use for them.
It's a lot easier to zero during the day, and it also allows you to check your zero to make sure it's been maintained. If your optic and your laser suddenly don't match up, that means one or the other is off, and it's real easy to check which it is
Eh, I like having it it in conjunction with a white light. There's all sorts of weird lighting conditions and environmental changes where your red dot or optic might be struggling in, and you have a backup method of aiming already present. Or lets say you're wearing a gas mask or anything that would prevent you from getting a good cheek weld. It's just another option that can come in handy in awkward situations.
Any updates on this? I'm still running a D2 and love it, and while I've gotten used to the weight it is pretty huge. However, I trust the D2 and it's hard to know if I can trust this laser to be reliable.
@@HanzHermannHoppe It depends on how it is implemented, and how much is done to the images. Latency can be reduced by selecting the section of the image that produces a thermal signature and operating on that. Pin the tail on the donkey with the thermal, then draw the outline on top of the night vision picture. It doesn't even necessarily have to be low latency either because the information that would be used for the shot would come from the night vision picture itself. The thermals and anything drawn on the image would be for acquisition. Image intensifiers could be combined with "cheap" thermals. The crude blob from the thermal optic could be layerd onto the comparatively much sharper image coming from the nightvision. Together I believe the two types of sensors are better than the sum of their parts. But this is speculation on my part and borderline science fiction. I also believe that there is a plan in the works to include a solenoid into the M5. To where the trigger could be held down and the optic would decide when to pull the trigger. The idea is to maximize the hit potential with cold bore shots using passive aiming at range. I believe that is the core of the "near-peer" craze that the us military is involved in." Unemployed engineer :)
The only thing someone might need a laser of more than 5mW or so is painting targets for things that need to see laser from, say, airplane to asphalt. But yeah man, it's hard to find a good illuminator. Shame about that laser divergence, but DAMN that form factor is great. I hope they get a second gen and make the improvements it needs.
You're washing over something I see A LOT of people wash over... with a civilian DBaL A3 I can illuminate just fine to 2-300 yards. The issue is the damn laser is washed out even on the low setting so I cannot make rapid shots up close and simply cannot aim with I at distance. I'm not the only person complaining about this either.
Now, even though it's about $1,700 dollars, and my proposal is like twice as expensive, since you like to run LPVOs, may I suggest using a CNVD? I know, I know, on the lower end it's the same price as 3 MFIR lasers, BUT, you don't have to zero the CNVD, and can use it on anything with an optical axis. I think you can use it with Red dots too, but it's usually not worth doing. OF COURSE, you should in theory match the clip-on with the sighting system, like PVS-24's and UNS-SR go to the red dots and acogs, the PVS-24LR and 30LR and all the LR clip-ons go to the scopes capable of 10-25 magnification and so on, but I've been having a fine time running my 1-8 with an LR
I don’t larp nearly as hard but my experience does not match a lot of what you say in this video. For example the surefire vampire lights absolutely destroy a dbal a3 so I’m not sure why you instantly dismiss them
Were it at the price range I can currently purchase a DBAL-D2/DBAL-A3 I'd be all over it. I like the form factor but not enough to pay 800+ more for a form factor that seems ...better.
I'm not really interested in the MAWL. 3500 is not something 99% of users are okay with. I've used one. It's virtually identical with illumination performance to the D2 and this. The rapid way to adjust the down range pattern is amazing, but not worth ~1500 over this, and 2000 over a D2. Not for a civilian like me
Hey I’m not Brass Facts. But I do have a DIR-v with about 2000 rounds on it, 2 classes and a few range sessions. The updated arisaka metal mount and arisaka button are awesome upgrades. It’s still bright as fuck and my lasers are coaligned. My only gripe is a the selector dial is kinda mushy, not very tactile, but it works fine. Holding zero great so far.
When you installed the DesignateIR-V on your rail, did you use a torque wrench (in-lbs)? I just don't know if I'm screwing down too tightly to mount it on my rail.
@@BrassFacts Alright, thanks, I think I'm fine with where I'm at then. Its pretty tough to turn with the included allen key using the short end and trying turn with my fingers but if I take out my in-lbs torque screwdriver and set it to 10in/lbs I can still turn the screw and yeah I'm just not certain if its gonna strip the threads or screw.
I don't have any NV (hoping to remedy this soon). Since I don't own any NV, please forgive my ignorance on the topic, but it seems to me that when you and your crew are out shooting at night, the cameraman's NV filming gets blown out by the IR illuminators, which leaves me wondering how you manage to see your targets under nods. Am I correct in assuming that this is due to gain being cranked to max on the cameraman's NV in order to up production value of the videos?
That’s mostly an artifact of recording under NV. To the eye, IR illum provides better contrast. If it is really too bright modern NVDs will autogate and bring down the perceived brightness automatically.
@@judesheckelberg5135 To be clear if you really had “too much” illumination you could autogate / wash out your own tube image badly enough that you can’t see the target, but you would probably be causing burns (at least to eyes) downrange at that power level. It’s very similar to using a flashlight in the dark: up close with lots of splash potential, you have to be more careful, at distance it’s very hard to washout a target with too much light (very different if the light is pointed directly at you)
I got a 50mw DBAL I2 that I love from a local cool guy shop, but then they got these in and I was curious about em too. They tested em on a couple M60s they have, a HK23 they chopped down to be a shorty, a Negev, a legit HK G28, and a couple other guns that would make everyone drool over. I tested it on my SA58, LMT MARS H, and an AK with a SAG chassis. They got bored and started yeeting it around the warehouse, and to this day I have never seen someone get so drunk that they spike a pair of GPNVGs into the ground and not care. The laser still functions flawlessly, but I doubt it would if they'd spiked it. I ended up buying one, also because they have the FP versions available for the same price as the cucked civilian model.
My man is educating the people. I can be lazy about liking and commenting on videos but I try to always do so on this guys channel. Always good smart content, dude needs about a million subs so we can keep him slaving away on more videos.
My DIR-V was missing a waterproofing o-ring on the battery cap( and the battery spring as mentioned). They told me at first that they would replace the whole unit. Then I guess they figured it would be cheaper to just send me a new battery cap instead, so they did that. Definitely early adopter tech issues, which is surprising when considering the cost of the unit.
dayum. Yeah. This is one of those things where it's neat for those pushing the cutting edge.
But for the average joe. It's tough to say "drop 2100 bucks" or whatever the price is.
@@BrassFacts goodness. The longer I own this unit the more it seems almost like a DIY kit or something.
My battery cap screw started backing out under recoil. The selector knob on the back can easily slide off if you pull on it. Mine wasn't properly glued onto the selector inside. The selector knob has a sticker on it to show which mode it's on. That's why yours was misaligned on your new unit. Mine too. That can be fixed with some patience and rubbing alcohol, at least. The CR 123 depicted on the top sticker is slanted and it drives me nuts. They should've put that CR123A battery pictogram closer to the right edge of the sticker, closer to where it actually goes.
I think they should've made another little crimped wire like on the battery cap for the diffuser so that it's alway with the unit. Or maybe something like the PEQ15s have. Anything but just letting it loose.
Now I'm afraid the screws in the front lens assemblies might back out or something. I have more faith in a potted somogear than this thing TBH.
The lasers on mine are not quite aligned, as soon as I get my CTF-3 I'll send it in to them.
@KidCorporate did they take your unit and work on it?
I've learned already how the algorithm works, being a completely nonexistent channel and getting 8k views on my first serious video as someone with 30 subs because I jammed into the HSP TRMP product wave before anyone else reviewed it. That said, in this particular case I don't think your video will tank just because of the designate IR's low internet footprint right now. Because literally everyone who owns night vision is looking for a NOT 3000 dollar alternative to full power, fell off the supply truck PEQs (MAWL) and a vcsel laser illuminator is really high in demand. The next big thing will be the eotech laser. But then again night vision ownership is a pretty niche crowd, so you may max out around 30kish views on this. I don't know. I do know that personally I placed huge importance on this video and watched it twice the moment it came out lmao.
Keep doing what you're doing bro. Big fan.
I’ve learned more about products from you and hop than I have from so many others.
But he wasn’t a green beret! Don’t trust him. He shouldn’t be able to do this
@@TrevDri my crayon eater brain tends to look towards “subject matter experts” but you buy enough crap products you start second guessing and looking for outside opinions!
I just got a DesignateIR, haven’t had time to get out at night an shoot with it.
But, it sits great on the rifle completely under my optic like mentioned.
An my original one was lost in shipping, and Chris an the USNV group was AWESOME!
With getting right on sending me a new one out that day without any questions asked!
They responded to every email within a hour, great customer service so far.
I have two mawls, i may be sleeping in a card board box but it’s a very well defended cardboard box
Yep I'll keep my Dbal D2. Best option in performance of the civie legal units. Agreed though, it's a beastly piece of NV kit. My eyes are always open for cost & performing comparable upcoming options. This one seems to be hitting close to it though. Gives me optimism for future releases.
I'm holding my breath for the EOTech OGL
For those that don't know steiner does some really good mil discounts, at least they did a few years back for my d2.
@@MartinRage does that apply to guardsmen?
@@MartinRageThey still do.
Great review, I've had my DIR-V since early summer and I've been very happy with it. BTW the way the VCSEL gets around FDA regs is the VCSEL is an array of led emitters laid out like pixels instead of a single diode.
It's surface emitting lasers packed into a thing, not LEDs. Most lasers are side emitting iirc. The reason it works is - as far as I understand it anyway - it's technically many many emtters instead of one laser.
@@verysmallcats1374 oops you're right I meant diodes not LEDs, I make the damn things I should know haha
If you could go back would you of just saved up for a mawl? Im just getting into NV and i cant decide on what laser/illunimator i should get. I live in the mountains so…
@@mikeanshit158 That's a hard call to make, I don't think the price/performance ratio of the MAWL makes any sense, particularly when they haven't had the best reliability track record, but then again I don't think the pricing of ANY full power or VCSEL-based laser system makes sense, the components and materials that go into them simply aren't that expensive, even the VCSEL arrays. The good news is that there's new products being introduced to the NV world at much higher rate now than really any time previously, so the answer to "the best laser system" will change.
As far as i know , VCSEL has multiple Array emitters to get high power , so I assume that you can see multiple Array pattern , it is ok for users?
Time for a yearly update brass facts. I tested one of the beta models and a lot of our feedback made it into the arisaka changes which was nice to see. My original beta model lost zero and also had alignment problems like yours, due to the polymer clamps (now fixed with arisaka and the updated captured button, and the new captured diffuser cap).
+1 for the designate IR-V. Love mine.
Update: I had the gen1 unit, and I burned out the illuminator twice. Both times they have been EXTREMELY responsive. The first time they did a repair, the second time they sent me a brand new gen2 unit with all the updates. The new version has protections to prevent the illuminator from getting burned out. Disappointed in the failures, but I’m impressed that USNV and 3EIR genuinely wants to get this thing right.
Still liking it?
Good review on the illuminator. I’ve got the 3EIR Vulcan illuminator head on my CTF2 (same VCSEL illuminator as the DesignatIR-V) and it’s pretty good for the price. So the DIR-V illuminator should delivers pretty good other than keyhole shooting. If you just want the better illuminator the DIR-V has, look at the Vulcan to get that illuminator, for ~$499 the Vulcan it’s a LEGIT competitor to the $800+ Kiji… yeah, it’s got less modes (only one) and a hair less throw (5-degree beam, measured), but it’s got a clean spot without too much spill. At the East Coast Night Shoot my Vulcan was throwing well out to the 400 & 500 yard berms. Which to be honest is about as far as you’d want to be shooting a 5.56mm rifle at something to begin with. I dropped a few videos showing the Vulcan illuminator in various conditions (and the DIR-V illuminator would be the same).
FYI, CTF2/CTF3 + Vulcan and E1HT is ~$1350 so even better price than the D2/DIR-V and you get a solid white light option. However I’m actually running my CTF2 with a Vulcan/KM1E for the MAWL-at-home experience.
I'm so burnt out of laser/mfals tbh haha
give me a month, maybe I'll check it out.
I love brass facts honest reviews! Keep em coming!
Since form factor seems to be the unique feature to this unit, I can see this being a huge benefit for AK users wanting to mount a laser at the 12 while still keeping their optic mounts low, and not having to shell out for specializrd handguards and MFALs from Zenitco.
I was thinking that but I already shelled out for Zenitco and others, so 😅
Really excited to see how the EOTech LAM performs since everything else is pretty much expensive, shit, or expensive shit. Time will tell hwo good it is but I'm tempted to pick one up right away because I feel like EOTech will get it right and regardless of how good it is, there'll probably be high demand in the beginning
Bro, why not get Primary Arms to sponsor your channel? I hear they are your biggest Fans.
Okay Marshall Lerner
Why doesn't primary arms like brass facts?
Primary Arms has some great deals and very functional optics
@@baconatoromg6062 Demetri, is that you?
@@brendanmarriott661 Like a year ago he posted a video that actually was a pretty good review of primary arms but he rightfully pointed out the cons, along with a long list of pros. Primary Arms got on his video and raised hell about him not knowing what he's talking about. Or something like that. I forget exactly
Just getting into night vision stuff this year has been a little depressing for the lasers. I run a Perst-4 and Arisaka light with Malkoff head on my AKS-74U and it works well. I'm not a big fan of pressing two buttons but under the clock, I didn't have any issues activating both devices at the same time. The Perst is of course a bit harder to get now. I've used that setup out to 50 yards as that was what was available to shoot. Since it was cheap, I decided to grab a Somogear PEQ-15 clone. That thing is nuclear bright. It is not perfect, but it functions well for my limited time with it. We will see how it works after putting some rounds downrange.
Shannon's reply disappeared, but I plan to keep the Perst-4 as I like the size on my AKS-74U and will just continue to train to activate both buttons. I did snag a diffuser from ebay for the laser that diffuses the Perst's dirty beam and gives some illumination. Indoors it works great. Outside, it is lacking and the Malkoff head takes over illumination duties. I do plan to check out the new EoTech LAM when it launches. If the price is around $1500 and beats the other options in that price range, then it is probably going to be a must buy.
@@isaace8090 I run the same setup with a hacked taps sync tape switch. works great.
@BLUNTSMOKE304 Lots of airsoft products are better than people know or will admit. Especially compared to products that have been out long enough to produce a bunch of clones.
Thank you so much for making a review on this so that the community has a refference point in this mystery product
Video editing skills are on-point! Great Work!
Really appreciate this video; as a DBAL D2 user I was on the fence about trying this one out but after watching this I picked one up (Optics Planet had a Black Friday deal that dropped it down under $1600. The DBAL is such a chunky boi that I really don't like running it on a quad rail for weight's sake, but the DIR-V is a way better option in that regard...thanks again, man
I purchased my Perst-3 almost 2 years ago for $1300 new and absolutely love it. It's almost $2200 now. Can't believe how inflated the prices have become.
The new versions are $2000-2300 right now, and that's if you come to their office in Moscow and buy with cash roubles. Shit's wack beyond belief.
On the other hand, there's a slow, but steady stream of captured PEQs filtering in, among other things. Blessed be the American taxpayer for funding all the expensive toys we're getting!
I’ve had the exact experience. I’ve had my P3 for 2years now for $1300 and have been using it a ton Since now the only shooting I do now is at night. Thing has been rocksolid. The illuminator is amazing. even though this is a unusual way of doing things , I’ve consistently lit up my steel targets at 500 yards looking through a daytime optic with my PVS14. No problem at all making hits And that is looking through a 2.5 to 10 power scope I consider the P3 one of my best purchases. Now with the war andthe inflated prices, if I had to do it all over again today, I would get one of the full power peq15s that are used. Seem to be a good bit of them now, however, I see that their illuminators are drastically different one to another.
Hey man, don’t know if you’ll see this, but as someone currently saving up to purchase NVGs and WMLs, your content is always my first stop! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
For 1700 this was tempting. For 2100, I'm just going to wait a bit and get a mawl or two D2s. 2100 bucks for beta testing is for Sig die hards.
2:40 We are here to cheer you on and witness your rise. Tank it till you make it.
EOTech OGL (On Gun Laser) *should* be out like February of 2023, and contains a VSCEL illuminator, adjustable diffuser, and small form factor at a price of about $1300 civilian and $1500 full power. Fingers crossed it's up to snuff..
In theory. This has been the year of delayed product releases.
Interesting, now it’s using VCSEL ? Please provide source.
@@ApolloMaxOrd It was said in the Q podcast that was the first showing of the product.
@@BrassFacts Very fair. Still waiting to see one of these Geissele GFR's lol
@@BluntGrown almost positive it is not VSCEL and it’s still an edge emitting laser but I’ll rewatch
Curious to see how the locking lugs hold up over long term use. Really hope they drop the price back down to where it was
I am cautiously optimistic about the InvisibleSight NGAL as a challenger to the Perst3/PEQ15. 1000 for an FP unit with lifetime warranty, actually good QC and durability would absolutely corner the market.
This is great. A comprehensive review on best IR lasers and night setup in one episode would be great. Like two different kits with great value.
hop sorta already has that. well just options on the market.
Best is hard to do because it's basically FP grey market peq, or a 4000 dollar raid-x that requires connections
Shoulda ask how he feels about Steiner. 😂
Just spoke to John at US night vision, they do now have an Ariska Aluminum Mounting system, and a the diffuser is tethered!
I live local to them and John is letting me head to their facility to check them out sometime in the coming week!
great upgrades. Sorely needed.
@@BrassFacts Indeed. I'm headed there Wednesday. Ill grab a few pictures. If you want em, let me know!
@@BrassFactsAny idea if these are working now with the mounting upgrade?
GOOD MORNING
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This is why I go with my pulsar thermal scope perfectly sighted in. Don’t need a infrared laser. 6 grand and you’re are dialed in. Sees right through those shadows
Thermal scopes aren’t good for cqb or shooting from awkward positions
Great to see a new, more modernized LAM on the market!
Brass Facts and Hops are doing God's work.
@brassfacts, I would like to say the past few videos have been a treat. from video editing perspective I think you've shown 3 different qualities of content between this one, what I'd say is your normal, and the yeah its not the nest but the best part is its a gaggle to watch with you and hop's cocktails and quandaries impromptu recording. it show's that you don't have to make the highest standard all the time, otherwise its a white wall without color. that makes times such as this intro, stand out and I'd be willing to say this will be a huge highlight for your channel
Nvg will be a 2023 purchase. I like the concept if the CTF functioning as a modular hub. I am hoping the next generation can take the 18350 rechargeables and my modlite head
The only thing I ever heard about USNV was on some nightvision group on facebook(should have been my first clue). The brand gets blasted any time someone mentions them/asks a question. When I asked if they made quality products, everything came back to some issue they had with another company about pvs14 wraps or some jazz. Apparently everyone and their mother is pissed off about something someone else did to yet another someone, all the while not being affected themselves in any way. It took 50+ comments before I got an answer that they "use lower quality lenses in their 14's". No proof, just what another person heard. My takeaway was that Facebook groups are stupid.
Good to see people actually getting out and actually using their products, been eyeballing this laser for a bit.
I really like the form factor if the CTF and the fact that it's laser, illuminator and white light all in one package
I'm just waiting on them to release a version that can use a tape switch so I can move it further back on a riser so I'm not stuck with something that needs to maintain zero out on the handguard, and it also keeps the weight further back
Babe new brassfacts dropped
been waiting for someone to do a real review on these thanks
The opening montage of this was Mike jones level, very based of you!
wait is that a spikes honeybadger lower? That was my first lower, and the build still sits as it was back in 2012
EDIT : great point about the FDA/civilian laser gatekeeping.
Dangerous if you were to point it at a person - Yet its going on a firearm which will always have that same condition to it.
I can't lie, I'd rather get shot than have a full power IR laser pointed at my face.
@@hjjfffaa
Well if you have one, you're likely going to get the other
Great vid as always brother, I’d love to see you and hop do reviews on the Iray Rico Micro rl25 and rh25. With the gear experience you guys have I think it would be really interesting to get your perspective on them. Jack of all trades master of none, or (God voice) ‘GAMECHANGERRR’
I might have FLIR shit on the way.
My somogear is still holding strong. There is another challenger in the “questionable Chinese LAM” market though. Invisible sight. They’ve been around for some time now but I’m seeing more people bringing them up now. They do an NGAL and a PEQ.
Perhaps something for you to look into
Nearly $1,000 for their models?
Hard No.
I got a SoMo peq for under $200 and it's still holding. If I'm throwing over a grand at a laser I'll get a CTF
I know some people who ordered the NGAL but are still waiting on it to arrive. If they execute well, they'll absolutely corner the market on all the people whove been buying foreign FP LAMs
@@HanzHermannHoppe they’ve been making them for years. They’ve just never had the web infrastructure or marketing that somogear does.
thanks for showing me this, im debating pulling the trigger on one of their ngals right now.
@@turdferguson2863 they claim lifetime warranty and specify laser co-alignment. I'm considering one now
Thank you for making me glad I got my MAWLs for $2600 a year or so ago.
Nothing but good things to say about USNV. Pvs14 is great, no inclusions at all in the tube. laser works perfectly so far. bump helmet they sent me was too small and they replaced it with a ballistic helmet.
That company is trash. I’m sure the swapping to a ballistic was a mistake on their end. 0 chance that trash company did it on purpose
@@caseypot6486 well, bank error in my favor. a number of my friends have purchased from them also and have all had positive experiences. I am interested to hear why you hate them so much.
USNV is a complete disgrace to the Nv community.
@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 He doesn't have a reason, likely owns none of their products. But he saw a review.
@@granite6196 why
HAPPY DOG FOOTAGE! exactly what I needed right now, thankyou.
I didn't even know this existed. I own a Steiner DBAL-D2, I2 9007 and an ATPIAL-C. While the DBAL-D2 easily out performs the other two, the thing is so chunky and so heavy I won't use it on anything with more than an 11.5" barrel. Out on the end of a 14.5" or 16" barreled gun the thing is obnoxious. So much so that I'd probably be willing to lose some illuminator power and go with a Steiner DBAL-A3 or pony up for a gray market full power laser.
Me, who will never afford this: taking notes rapidly
This intro is fire.
At 10:48, what model is producing that beam against the mountain? The picture of the unit doesn't agree with its description, i believe...
Good take on this, appreciate the well thought it reviews!
First time seeing your vids, so glad to see another lefty shooting and mag changing an AR...
Hey I’m not Brass Facts. But I do have a DIR-v with about 2000 rounds on it, multiple classes and range sessions. The updated arisaka metal mount and arisaka button are awesome upgrades. It’s still bright as fuck and my lasers are coaligned. My only gripe is a the selector dial is kinda mushy, not very tactile, but it works fine.
Brass Facts. Killin it.
I bought both my pvs14s from us night vision. Thanks Steve!
This is propaganda. USNV is trash. Probably another of byrds burner accounts
@@caseypot6486 wrong again nerd.
@@turdferguson2863 hey Chris. Gonna block me on here too? Quit making burner accounts and then making it so damn obvious.
@@caseypot6486 I don't block people, and I'm not Chris. Just a dude who bought his NV from USNV and now sends people their way.
Thank you for the review!
The price of IR equipment is getting way out of control.
I'd wager that they're maybe in for $100 in materials, probably the housing being the most expensive single part. This seems to be the case with all of these devices.
When I look at the price of laser diodes in IR, I'm just left completely baffled where we go from a $30 diode to a $2k unit. At least the holosun makes me feel like I'm getting something with a titanium housing at $1100, along with white light.
All about R&D. I'm trying to get my own lasers made and imported here, it costs a fucking lot of money. Board design, molds, cnc, parts, assembly, shipping, coalignment of lasers, etc. Obviously some devices are retardedly overpriced, but keep in mind you're not paying for the materials you're holding, you're paying for a functioning device that you can't make yourself because you lack the tools, skills, and knowledge to create and or buy all the necessary components needed to make a fully functioning laser. Oh and not to mention you're paying even more for FP due to it being over the legal limit. There's a lot more to lasers than just a plastic housing and some diodes wired together.
@@rekerboi1125 I get that but you don't see the same level of departure from component costs as you do in IR lasers. Hell, you don't even see it in night vision.
The only guess I have at the expense is that the units are in an awkward area where people want them, but the market is too small for the economy of scale to bring the price point to something reasonable.
Meaning that you're getting closer to paying for 1 offs than you are a serial production item.
@@skyhop right, because the market is so limited that companies can charge whatever they want because they know you'll pay for it anyway because you need it, just like insulin. Mass production is cheap, but at these prices it's like buying at serial production, not even. That coupled with price criteria depending on statistics of preexisting lasers and their abilities sets specific bars that are quite hard to beat. It's very difficult to be innovative in laser design to make something that checks all the boxes and can sell for high money. Like, nobody is gonna be selling lasers for 1k and under, absolutely no way. Profits too low to sustain employees and costs for time and materials. It hurts to be paying in the 1500-3k range, but that is an inevitability of this market. Lots of variables that go into account here.
Lol it doesn’t cost $100 to make these. They need to be highly resistant to stress to avoid zero shift. Manufacturing is a little bit harder than dropping a laser diode in a 3D printed cube and calling it a day
I just received this laser illuminator. The ir laser is a cluster of lasers with a 6” diameter series of lasers for aiming. Is that right? This is my first laser illuminator and I am new to night vision. Any help would be appreciated.
Can’t wait for the new eotech laser to disappoint us. MAWL is the only way at this point. Or Unity Taps a Kiji and a OTAL/CQBL.
Mawl is legit. It's expensive AF, but if you're already in the NVG game, dropping lots of $$$ comes with the territory.
the issue is that your paying ~2000 dollar for form factor, and user interface.
Performance is near identical to the D2
I'm not discounting the need for rapid adjust focus (it's fucking awesome) but 2000 + for that is a tall price for that for civs.
Yea totally get it. Maybe someday the government will ease restrictions 😂
for MAWL money you can get a decent grey market FP though, even the MAWL DA is barely more money than the neutered one.
That opening. Hell yeah!
An opening to rival GT if I’ve ever seen one
@@joshpagano1905 more like "we have GT opening at home." But I still really enjoyed it, especially considering the newness of this channel.
In my defense, that is footage of me training/practicing.
I love GT, but the footage you see in his intro is scripted and setup to look good (all filmed in one day too). Different goals.
I won't ever compare to a GT intro, because we have different goals when we film.
@@BrassFacts keep being yourself, and doing your thing. I enjoy your deeper, in depth content in many ways over GT.
What tubes are you using for filming? The GP looks great!
Just a standard L3 tube nothing special. Just clean
What is your opinion on the general propensity to include a vis laser with these setups ? Except for zeroing, provided it's slaved to the IR laser, I don't see much use for them.
It's a lot easier to zero during the day, and it also allows you to check your zero to make sure it's been maintained.
If your optic and your laser suddenly don't match up, that means one or the other is off, and it's real easy to check which it is
Eh, I like having it it in conjunction with a white light. There's all sorts of weird lighting conditions and environmental changes where your red dot or optic might be struggling in, and you have a backup method of aiming already present.
Or lets say you're wearing a gas mask or anything that would prevent you from getting a good cheek weld.
It's just another option that can come in handy in awkward situations.
Great review. Thank you!
This dude is THE dude
Thoughts on the arisaka upgraded version?
Can't wait to see how this stacks up against the EOTech OGL
VCEL illuminator, and 1200 doll hairs MSRP
I have my doubts that they will actualyl sell at that price point.
We'll see. Fingers crossed im wrong
Any updates on this? I'm still running a D2 and love it, and while I've gotten used to the weight it is pretty huge. However, I trust the D2 and it's hard to know if I can trust this laser to be reliable.
Solid review🤙🏻
Any updates on the newer version of this LAM?
nah, I really can't afford to buy a second one for review. 4MR ranch has a review.
"Next Gen" night vision is entirely passive. Image intensifier combined with thermal optics and combined using machine vision techniques.
machine vision techniques?
@@tmk-29783 compositing, edge detection, etc
@@tmk-29783 hey, you stole the username, Mike called dibs
ML for an optic that's going to be used for aiming small arms sounds like latency hell.
@@HanzHermannHoppe It depends on how it is implemented, and how much is done to the images. Latency can be reduced by selecting the section of the image that produces a thermal signature and operating on that. Pin the tail on the donkey with the thermal, then draw the outline on top of the night vision picture. It doesn't even necessarily have to be low latency either because the information that would be used for the shot would come from the night vision picture itself. The thermals and anything drawn on the image would be for acquisition.
Image intensifiers could be combined with "cheap" thermals. The crude blob from the thermal optic could be layerd onto the comparatively much sharper image coming from the nightvision. Together I believe the two types of sensors are better than the sum of their parts. But this is speculation on my part and borderline science fiction.
I also believe that there is a plan in the works to include a solenoid into the M5. To where the trigger could be held down and the optic would decide when to pull the trigger.
The idea is to maximize the hit potential with cold bore shots using passive aiming at range. I believe that is the core of the "near-peer" craze that the us military is involved in."
Unemployed engineer :)
I left the money on the nightstand for you……keep up the work man!
The only thing someone might need a laser of more than 5mW or so is painting targets for things that need to see laser from, say, airplane to asphalt. But yeah man, it's hard to find a good illuminator.
Shame about that laser divergence, but DAMN that form factor is great. I hope they get a second gen and make the improvements it needs.
that's my issue. infact, I'm annoyed that all FP lasers don't have a low laser high illum mode.
FP lasers are annoying.
You're washing over something I see A LOT of people wash over... with a civilian DBaL A3 I can illuminate just fine to 2-300 yards. The issue is the damn laser is washed out even on the low setting so I cannot make rapid shots up close and simply cannot aim with I at distance. I'm not the only person complaining about this either.
If you could buy a FP peq, or the newest verison of the IR-V for the same price, what would you do?
Now, even though it's about $1,700 dollars, and my proposal is like twice as expensive, since you like to run LPVOs, may I suggest using a CNVD? I know, I know, on the lower end it's the same price as 3 MFIR lasers, BUT, you don't have to zero the CNVD, and can use it on anything with an optical axis. I think you can use it with Red dots too, but it's usually not worth doing. OF COURSE, you should in theory match the clip-on with the sighting system, like PVS-24's and UNS-SR go to the red dots and acogs, the PVS-24LR and 30LR and all the LR clip-ons go to the scopes capable of 10-25 magnification and so on, but I've been having a fine time running my 1-8 with an LR
Sick intro. The footage looks so crisp. What's being used to record?
a cellphone
Did you have a follow up video posted yet?
nah it's been working fine, but hasn't really racked up a round count.
Also the gen 2 being released means a follow up video is somewhat pointless.
Was thinking about the night vision kit they have on they’re website, still trying to find out more about the pvs14 included in kit
I don’t larp nearly as hard but my experience does not match a lot of what you say in this video. For example the surefire vampire lights absolutely destroy a dbal a3 so I’m not sure why you instantly dismiss them
Brass Facts Friday
What pack were you running in the beginning?
Were it at the price range I can currently purchase a DBAL-D2/DBAL-A3 I'd be all over it. I like the form factor but not enough to pay 800+ more for a form factor that seems ...better.
If you know about USNV vs Nocorium, go ahead and hit that like button
Would like to see a comparison between this an a MAWL. I have a C1 and it is nasty. Also VCSEL tech
I'm not really interested in the MAWL. 3500 is not something 99% of users are okay with.
I've used one. It's virtually identical with illumination performance to the D2 and this.
The rapid way to adjust the down range pattern is amazing, but not worth ~1500 over this, and 2000 over a D2. Not for a civilian like me
@@BrassFacts I’m just thinking for a secondary unit at some point. Nice to have options that are comparable but less expensive
9:50 Ruffly... I see what ya did there.
If they could sell the new DesignatorIR-v for $1700 I think they would take over the market.
Whens the update video com8ng
Hey I’m not Brass Facts. But I do have a DIR-v with about 2000 rounds on it, 2 classes and a few range sessions. The updated arisaka metal mount and arisaka button are awesome upgrades. It’s still bright as fuck and my lasers are coaligned. My only gripe is a the selector dial is kinda mushy, not very tactile, but it works fine. Holding zero great so far.
When you installed the DesignateIR-V on your rail, did you use a torque wrench (in-lbs)? I just don't know if I'm screwing down too tightly to mount it on my rail.
probably should have, but i just kinda winged it.
@@BrassFacts Alright, thanks, I think I'm fine with where I'm at then. Its pretty tough to turn with the included allen key using the short end and trying turn with my fingers but if I take out my in-lbs torque screwdriver and set it to 10in/lbs I can still turn the screw and yeah I'm just not certain if its gonna strip the threads or screw.
I don't have any NV (hoping to remedy this soon). Since I don't own any NV, please forgive my ignorance on the topic, but it seems to me that when you and your crew are out shooting at night, the cameraman's NV filming gets blown out by the IR illuminators, which leaves me wondering how you manage to see your targets under nods. Am I correct in assuming that this is due to gain being cranked to max on the cameraman's NV in order to up production value of the videos?
That’s mostly an artifact of recording under NV. To the eye, IR illum provides better contrast. If it is really too bright modern NVDs will autogate and bring down the perceived brightness automatically.
@@yzhou05 Ahh. interesting.
@@judesheckelberg5135 To be clear if you really had “too much” illumination you could autogate / wash out your own tube image badly enough that you can’t see the target, but you would probably be causing burns (at least to eyes) downrange at that power level. It’s very similar to using a flashlight in the dark: up close with lots of splash potential, you have to be more careful, at distance it’s very hard to washout a target with too much light (very different if the light is pointed directly at you)
@@yzhou05 Very good.
These are being marketed by Arisaka Defense.
Thank you for the review. Wish I could afford these amazingly expensive lasers. They are awesome. Maybe one day. LOL
They'd have to drop the price a tad. Thanks for the sincere review! 👇👍
What do you think of the z-bolt blazer paired with a laser LS/LE117?
I got a 50mw DBAL I2 that I love from a local cool guy shop, but then they got these in and I was curious about em too. They tested em on a couple M60s they have, a HK23 they chopped down to be a shorty, a Negev, a legit HK G28, and a couple other guns that would make everyone drool over. I tested it on my SA58, LMT MARS H, and an AK with a SAG chassis. They got bored and started yeeting it around the warehouse, and to this day I have never seen someone get so drunk that they spike a pair of GPNVGs into the ground and not care. The laser still functions flawlessly, but I doubt it would if they'd spiked it.
I ended up buying one, also because they have the FP versions available for the same price as the cucked civilian model.
If they get that price down to around 1300 to 1400 they would sell much better
The Algo Gods Unsubbed me, just fyi. Good thing I watch all the time and noticed.
I might buy one to try but I’d rather get a second NGAL. So you’re saying that the IR laser is slaved to the Illuminator and non adjustable?
Where is the update?!!!
Are you gonna put it on the GOOOOBRS mount?
The OGL will blow everything away.
"Actually more like 2 weeks."
*1 month ago.*
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