RAF had R1.2 BILLION of duplicate PAYMENTS to lawyers | Collins Letsoalo - RAF CEO | PART 1
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- The RAF CEO, Collins Letsoalo, discusses the R1.2 billion in duplicate payments to lawyers, inequities in compensation for public passengers, and systemic issues within the legal profession.
[00:00]The CEO of the Road Accident Fund reveals 1.2 billion worth of duplicate payments to lawyers.-
- Lawyers were charging five times more than medical aids for photocopies.
- Public passengers and taxi commuters had a limit of 25,000.
- The CEO stands firm on allegations against the legal fraternity.
[18:28] The CEO discusses the inequity in the compensation system for public passengers in South Africa. The majority of South Africans, who don't own cars, are limited to claiming only 25,000 in compensation.
- The speaker questions the fairness of wealthier individuals being able to claim more than those in need.
- Public passenger liability insurance was introduced in 2008 to insure passengers in public vehicles.
- Before 2008, public passengers were limited to claiming 25,000 until the restriction was removed.
[36:56] The CEO discusses the need for the Road Accident Fund to reduce administrative costs and avoid unnecessary litigation.- Emphasizes the importance of directing funds towards claimants rather than administrative expenses.
- Questions the necessity of litigation when most claims are settled out of court.
- Raises concerns about potential corruption within the legal system, citing examples of judges involved in unethical practices.
[55:25 Discussion about making upfront payments and practical examples of payments in the context of investigations and agreements.- Mention of making upfront payments to get by initially.
- Explanation of practical examples of payments over 20-40 years.
- Reference to a provision (possibly section 174) allowing instalment payments for loss of support or earnings.
- Issue with lawyers wanting full payment upfront, impacting the time taken for claim payouts.
[01:13:55] Delay in processing claims at RAF due to lawyers taking their time, resulting in valid claims being delayed by 60 days.-
- Lawyers sometimes delay processing claims by putting paperwork on a shelf for up to 3 years.
- Once the paperwork is finally processed and sent if it arrives 60 days after the incident, the claim is considered valid.
- RAF aims to address backlog claims efficiently by introducing preassessment for incomplete submissions.
[01:32:21] Discussion about implementing administrative decisions until reviewed and set aside in law.-
- Explanation of not cancelling a panel but stating it was not needed anymore.
- Reference to being taken to court by panel members under section 34 of the Constitution.
- Accusations made and the aim to keep the issue ongoing discussed.
[01:50:53] Discussion about discrepancies in judgment and suspicions of foul play.- Discrepancy noted in page numbers and content of the judgment.
- Lawyers express concerns and seek to amend the order through Rule 42.
The judge denies live appeal and lawyers apply for a variation of the order.
[02:09:22] The CEO discusses receiving emails on private matters, legal issues, and concerns about judgments being sent to journalists.- The CEO expresses concern about private matters being sent to his private email.
- Discussion about typos in judgments and Zelda Fender knowing before him.
- Questioning the benefit of judges sending judgments to journalists.
- CEO facing accusations of contempt and personal court orders. 
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For a guy whose name is Letsoalo, this man has no fear. Well done on fighting the big fight
This man is going to ruffle many feathers. He must be protected at all costs.
Yeah sure,He needs to protect himself from himself.. #This one will never be a CEO of any Institution again, unless it's his own company.
@@sibabalwehlabahlaba9355He's a clown.
@@sibabalwehlabahlaba9355 it looks like he must have ruffled your furthers. What's wrong with cleaning up a system that does not work. We need to get the country working. The country is broke, lawyers can't be enriching themelves with claimants monies.
he is a very intelligent man
@@sibabalwehlabahlaba9355I suspect he has taken food from people's table hence many people won't be happy , i think he goes by the book 😂😂
This man is an asset for the country. Keep up the great work Mr Letsoalo
David Mashabela is always trying to keep us wide awake. its sad people don't listen to him
This man must be protected like a president of Russia, his a national asset
Thanks David for such brilliant topic we learning
A good example that you can be a CEO and still be an activist. Good job!
The most articulative, frank and friendly, fair and generous people representative. God bless you Mr Letsoalo, you've won our hearts 💯❤️🙏
I also lost my father to a road accident back in 1998. My mother and us 7 sons of him never got a payment. I then decided to study law and I am now doing my LLM majoring in labour law. My research will be on social security.
Apartheid never left,it just transformed.We now have black people being the gate keepers of apartheid.Good to see that there are still men of integrity.Thank you Collins and David
SA Insurance companies are milking our black middle Class like nobody's business.
It's sad
One of my favorite CEO. He doesn't take nonsense
Mashabela has the best Radio Podcast crossover simply because he understands that at the end of the day the audience is looking for meaningful content....
This is damning in so many levels on the legal practice and the greed of the law practitioners.
Duuude 🙆🏾♂️?! U can say that again
?Surely there's a part 2 bra Deza?
This is one of the most educative interviews. I am not a South African , neither am i living in South Africa but this interview reflects on how our African government loot our taxes. Thanks David and Letsaolo for this articulated conversation
This now nothing to do with the government. Point fingers in the right direction. Lawyers are private practitioners not government employees.
@@elvinnybonjovi10 you don't understand that lawyers exploit the law that is signed by the government,
Oh I think you misunderstood, this guy is government who is talking about the private sector who is looting them
RAF deserves a documentary
I blew it has already told us a part of the story which has been mentioned by the CEO. A lot of them have gone back to being dependent on the state. I think the monthly payout will have clauses. If you are unable to do mental tasks then you won't qualify for nsfas. I also think the monthly payout will not affect those in the informal market because they cannot be detected by Sars
The man is an activist and fighting against the system created to milk the state funds. Big up to Mr Letswalo/Letsoalo
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
This money does not come from the state. RAF doesn't cost the state any cent. The money comes from fuel levies.
@@emmanuelphale1285 I know but the state is the custodian here.
Thank you Mashabela for helping to open South Africa' eyes to reality. Please have more of such interviews of South Africans that are trying to fix South Africa, for us to hear their side of the story against the bully mainstream media that is watering down their efforts.
We need more public servants like Mr Letsoalo
Mr Letsoalo is definately an Activists. Good luck in yo journey to transform RAF. How I wish this information could reach the vulnerable or marginalized!
Mr Letsoalo keep up the good work. You are one of the few in our country willing to tackle corruption head-on!!
Waiting for part two.
South Africans/Africans need people like Mr Letsoalo.
Thanks to Mr Letsoalo for having found the time to come and bless us with his wisdom. He must come back and give us more. Great Show my brother ❤.
As an Actuarial Student, I found this interesting, I used to argue that taxis, buses, etc must pay insurance to cover their passengers then in the case of an accident the RAF must become the Reinsurer just incase the claim amount is very huge and there is a limit on it. I am surprised to know that that's actually the case, however the private sector does not seem to want to play their role and the burden seems to be laying on RAF. The private sector always wants to make themselves appear competent, but they are actually very often incompetent and shielding themselves by the state resources.
All the best with your studies
It's sad. Private sector everywhere in the world always gets shielded by "socialism" of which business people don't want unless it's saving their backside.
I sense a lot of professional jealousy when this man talks about other people’s professions. He makes blanket statements loosely which could be viewed as reputation damaging. No one is spared.. he even took a shot at actuaries challenging how they operate.
There’s a difference between challenging status quo of wrongdoing vs intruding into other people’s fields of expertise.
@@tranquilsoothingsounds3334 Personally, I don’t think actuaries have an issue with regard to them being pushed away. I doubt they’ll even fight it, I think they just got opportunistic to overcharge the state like everybody else
Private sector needs to be regulated. Absolutely rotten!
What Mr. Letsoalo needs is support from us as South Africans and those that have been wronged by the lawyers and all the wrong doers involved.
Its a pity that he's already judged harshly by those that used to benefit from robbing the RAF and their friends.
He definitely has my support.
His passion to uplift the standard of living of our people/serve and provide excellence and that's quite admirable.
When Mr letsoalo says 'ok thats fine' you know facts are coming 😂😂😂😂
We need more public servants like CEO Letsoalo, what an incredible leader.
This was a workshop, a masterclass every driver, citizen should attend.
I hope this a 10 part series. Mr Collen is dropping some superior logic
I respect this gentleman. I also feel that he must be protected he is a great leader.
I disagree with him when he says everyone knows that there is RAF. I grew up in a rural area in Mpumalanga, called Diepdale I know a few guys who were seriously injured and fatally injured in car accidents some and their families never claimed because they didn't know that there is a thing called RAF.
debt collectors must be investigated too
Great person Mr Letsoalo is. And he resembles President Putin.
Mr Letsaolo is one of the few public servants that still cares about the public. The rest of this country is filth of corrupt law, politics, medicine, big business, and so on.
Big business corrupts politicians and manipulates laws
Honorable Man in good standing. He must be protected at all costs 🙏
This practice of settling at the doors of the courtroom not only sounds like a waste of court time but also exacerbates the delays already prevalent in our legal systems, necessitating the implementation of recourse measures to hold attorneys accountable for such tactics
to think that my uncle died after being hit by a car and some people with suits came and told us about his death and gave my grandfather R1500(somewhere in 2011).. I refuse to let go of this and I'll watch this episode and collect as much info as I can, I'm grown now.
Go directly to RAF offices ,you'll be surprised
@@kennethnkosi430 I don't know where the offices are here in Free State but I'll search the info and be on it(possibilities might be in Gauteng and I'll get there should I know where they are). Thank you for the heads up 🙏🏾
wow I am so inspired by your guest, he is so on point i so wish we can have the likes of him here in Lesotho
I always wanted to follow up on this issue, thank you Mashabela for bringing this gentleman, kindly interview Ntate Mitchell "Monk" Nkomo, former editor of Sowetan in 80s. He has a lot to say about families who their loved ones were tortured.
David this is so informative, thank you for sharing
Thank you Mr Letsoalo, we're blessed to have you as a representative ❤️💯🙏
Bless this gentleman, he's fighting the good fight for the people. Mr Letsoalo Bless you sir
Such people were needed in post office to save it not comrades😢
Nor nor nor this show should have been held live and we call in to ask questions
why he gave answers
If only the RAF could actually do their job effectively, there would be no need for attorneys.
Some people fail to realise that professionals don't become professionals overnight.
They study and do training which takes years and costs money.
It's because of the years of hard work that they have invested they are then able to complete a task effectively.
Attorneys secure higher claims for injured claimants, and they accordingly need to be remunerated.
The attorney practically works for free for many years and has to invest their own money to see the claim through to finalisation.
The RAF employees earn well and are financially secure for the duration that the claim drags. Hence, they have no interest in speeding up the matters.
Agents of RAF are not in the wrong here; attorneys are in every respect.
To be fair, issues of such nature, attended to by whomever (be it an attorney or any competent person) should be done so on a pro-rata basis, given the sensitivity of the issue.
Attorneys in South Africa have made it a custom to enrich themselves, by taking advantage of the administrative process of RAF; whilst the taking of such advantage is not wrong in itself, It becomes unjustifiable if it happens at the expense of the claimant.
NB: Let all professionals benefit as they ought to benefit, but when the benefit starts to argue injustice, it is the benefit that has to be sacrificed at all cost.
Stil it's not excuse to be corrupt
Years of studying must never be an excuse for unscrupulous tendencies
Funny enough they know about the lawyers but no 1 will be arrested.
They cheating the system legally soo
They are not committing any crime. They are exploiting the system's loopholes, within legal bounds.
From the outside it looks like practicing law IS about exploiting loopholes for your own or your client’s benefit . They want you to believe it is about the so called “justice”but I am not buying it.
These are some of the laws that the ANC should have amended or Repealed. No wonder the yts are still comfortable as ever as they were in Apartheid years. All the Laws that they put into place are still comfortably serving them 😰😭😭😭
They are never interested in any of these things. Because politicians own these insurance companies through their proxies/friends
We are learning here
Too much mfowethu🙆😲and kuyavela nokuthi asinakile as odarky coz yey im mind blown
This is well unpacked by this man.
We need to protect this podcast shame. Mr Mashabela is enlightening the nation, one expert at a time.
ghis man is very clever i like him we really need him as finance minister,
Damn I saw this on TikTok then i came straight to king David podcast but unfortunately is not premier at this moment but I did put notification to notify me.. I want to miss this.
prmier or no whats the difference?
Loving the lecture here and rise up black child
I am one of the victims of those criminals but am now fully informed
It's limited to the lesser of 25% or actual legal fees incurred whichever is lower. Sometimes we complicate the explanations that is how lawyers operate or how the law was setup. If processes are explained in all local languages and everywhere, i.e. social media and preferably local radio stations. This will reduce the cost tremendously
Issue is thy always making sure is closer to dt % it is never 20% or less is forever 24.9%
Paying someone 25% of your money is crazy. Why can't they use billable hours nto nton here?🤔
Just finished watching this video. This man o nyakega on government. He is a true leader.
Invite clients and lawyers herein affected, you only have the story of one man.
You mean the same lawyers who were benefiting from the inefficiencies of the organisation? Do you think they would be happy when the organisation improves its operations 🤔
I think if they want to clear themselves they're free to do so. This guy sounds like he's ready to prove his case and he makes a lot of sense. If you're one of the lawyers yourself, let's hear it!
This isn't a story or 2 sides. It's facts and he was even reading from Raf act. Why do u wanna treat everything like it's gossip
Why are you catching feeling?
We’ve been hearing one side of the story from lawyers for a very long time. Today we hear the side of the story from this man you wanna act like lawyers have been silent all this time. You must be one of them!
Mr Collins should be appointed as the minister of finance,we could survive a lot...
Yerrrrr…this man must be protected.
Perhaps David, you should also invite a lawyer assisting with RAF to hear their perspective if there is any.
Can't wait to see part 2 of these. Very enlightening.
But do u really believe thy will admit to certain things...lol they'll never even agree to come..thy say only the good part of themselves like thy always do whn thy convince u to let thm help u with ur claim
Incredible leader whom I believe will effect change. All the best in your journey Mr Collins.
Please remember that this men is very healthy and not suicidal…..just incase they take him out for the work he doing for South Africans ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
Thanks Monareng for simplifying this matter. I hope and pray for your safety, as yours is for a service of the nation. E sware bjalo Phutiane ya boya bonhla magola ka go ikilela
Oh guys, blacks were are being robbed, Public passenger liabilty insurance is being on subscription without pay outs 😭😭😭😭😭
Shoo, This was insightful. Saying it like it is. Great Interview. What a messed up system we have 😮. Nfsas needs CEO's like him.
Ntate Letsoalo 😮 uveza izinto ndoda madoda ❤
Keep it up, Mr. Letsoalo.
I once missed exam in 2001 and had to bring my father to discuss with the school.
It is good that somebody is actually telling the truth
This man, this man is what the country need can he multiply himself.
Indeed the struggle continues, it’s inspiring to realise there are still leaders like Mr Letsoalo in our country. That empathy characteristic is a powerful force. May you continue doing the good work your are doing Sir 🫡
It was that calculation that said by virtue of my parents not having matric therefore I would claim less. And there I was at Wits and listening to a lecture saying complete opposite....
Mr Letsoalo reminds me of Mr Hlaudi Motshweneng
The only difference is that Motsoeneng doesn't do things by the book or law.
ANC has an invested interested and feeding the white boss insurance.
Mr Mashabela siyabonga kakhulu baba with such excellent hosting you have done.💯
It was a masterclass itself, it would have been nice if you host Mthunzi Mdwaba after this show because I'm really suspecting that they are twins with Mr Collins😁😊. They carry black excellence very well this people ❤️🖤. I love their attitude towards challenges!
The state attorney system is definitely the way to go and will lower costs!
Also changing the payments from lumpsums to annuities is actually a smart idea but there may be a need to pay some lumpsum to cover the initial costs e.g. a person who can't walk no more now needs a wheelchair friendly home. This will also create more business for financial advisors and insurers. Great opportunity for gov to create more black insurance companies and hopefully reduce unemployment.
Thanks Bra Dave for all these bangers you are bringing us. We are learning Big Time on this Channel. Big Ups 💪💪💪
You can handle your own legal affairs. I had to do it and the Magistrates Office may send you to Legal Aid if you struggle. As for the Public Passenger Fund, it pays for claims against the Taxi Driver, not against RAF.
Having the right person heading an organization is one of the key things the state needs to get right. The reforms being discussed here are monumental and take full review of the South Africa we currently live in. We are one of the most unequal societies in the world but it cant be that institutions of government continue to promote this inequality. These reforms are not just about dignity to the ordinary citizen but truly making an impact to the vision of freedom in the broadest sense.
The institution will punish if you fight it. See what happened to Busisiwe, Zuma, him and many others. In everything you do don't challenge the institution ran by the private sector, you will pay a heavy price
May collin Letsoalo succeed in fighting the system that steal from people, no matter the number and power of his opponents may they scatter in many directions and fall on their own sword.. in the name of highest being that seat above all systems.
🤣🤣🤣 Letsoalo for PRESIDENT, South Africa needs people like this but of course the MAFIAS will attempt to eliminate him
Thank you so much for this interview. Big ups to you Mr Mashabela for such lucrative information we are getting from such conversations.
Mr Letsoalo is exactly the kind of boss I would like to have, bold, moral and knowledgeable.
I don’t call them Lawyers….I called them RAF consultants and indeed their Rich ka RAF
It took me 2 days to listen to this, but I've been educated. This guy is saving our country. He would do a good job in cleaning up Eskom.
This man was crucified on the media with short clip vids bt when u cn n listen to him, u cn tell he is a man of integrity.
The passenger liability I once claimed for someone who died in a car accident involving my taxi. They told me they only pay the money if RAF does not pay. So they passenger liability was never paid.
Bawaboshwe loma lawyer, Haybo! 😮
SA needs more CEOs like Collins Letsoalo , keep fighting the good fight for our people Sir🫡!
The man who destroyed the life of many lawyers, only those that are in the Legal Field and doing RAF will understand me
Mr Letsoalo must also be recommended for Department of Labour ( UIF to be specific). The Labour department is become useless for South African Workforce and this economy. He must start at UIF, transforming it because the fund has become irelavant for people it must benefit. Then must move and shakeup the CCMA including all bargaining councils.
With all the Taxes our government is taking from the people most of the services like SABC should be free to any one who owns a TV set.
It is free. The Public doesn't pay TV license and they want quality content. Make it make sense
@CalvinPietersenBaase-hp5te yes it makes sense for SABC to be free cause we pay such taxes,even the content will be world class the way the state tax us as amongs the highiest taxed payers globally,if corruption is stoped this can be a reality
When one quotes directly from a book.
Then says in 1942 without flinching....
You know the person knows their story...let me get coffee
In a country like South Africa where there's total disregard for the rule of law all the way from the president, judges, lawyers, doctors, police etc it's a miracle the country hasn't collapsed yet but we are soon heading there.
Wow what a great insight to the lowkey convos that lawyers keep away from citizens!!!! This guy deserves to be protected at all cost! and i personally want to give him his flowers!!! May the Lord protect you Sir, you are enriching knowledge to people and i love that about you! so selfless and bold!
This guy needs to be protected by all cost
If theres one good thing this New government or Gov of National Unity can do is, make Mr Letsoalo President! 👊🏽
I was once told that Collins gave all Prasa stuff his personal contact number to be contacted directly regarding anything about the company he leads.
True, pure and real examples. Mr Letsoalo, thank you.
Collins is a genius....he has a good brain 🧠