Lets try the Grimburg Gavle LTL launcher| We finally have it!!!!!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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Grimburg Less Lethal is setting the standard right now. They listen to what people want. Small, sleek, and powerful is in the most demand. Gone are the days of big bulky launchers. Granted this isn't a small launcher by firearm standards but it's a nice step in the right direction.
Yes indeed! I can see where they are going and I see a very bright further for them!
Indeed still more then I can afford at the moment but it's on the list
Just started working at grimburg 2-3 weeks ago as an assembler and quality checker. To say the company is great to work for/with is 100% an understatement. Kurt is a great and caring person
@@abrahamchouinard6109 He is AMAZING. I’ve met him twice in person both times at SHOT Show and both times I was very impressed.
@@abrahamchouinard6109 It’s a great self defense weapon even for carry. The only thing I could see changing is the charging system. A tap on the butt of the grip or a trigger charge would make it perfect.
When I attended the Chicago Police Academy about 30 years ago it was estimated that only 2.5 rounds were fired during each encounter. It is my professional opinion that if you are in a protracted gun fight, you won’t survive firing more than a couple rounds unless you find cover.
Thank you for this! Some folks think that the statistics lie… they don’t. :)
2.5 rounds? Is that .5 a squib load? Lmao😂
Agree, but most bad guys don't expect "regular" citizens to fight back. Therefore, they don't think terms of "cover".
That was in the stone ages
Now days it is 18 rounds with multiple mag dumps.
A civilian will be lucky to fumble and get the twist thing to happen then maybe get one or two rounds on target with stress fire situations. Grimburg needs to make a strike pierce on a mag like the FSC and they will dominate this market hands down
i went all in on the gavel and got the red dot optic and the laser light combo on the pic rail and i LOVEM! its my edc. I f'd up and left it aired up too long and seized up the internals. Kurt said send it back, he fixed it right up and had it back to me in a matter of DAYS. No charge. He is......TheMan.
p.s. oh yea they do have 6g oc rounds. theyre heavy duty. it also comes with a lighter spring for chemical rounds. i also use an extended rubber grip that hides the co2 and still allows me to twist.
He is something else man! Yeah, these things are VERY well engineered!
Extended grip?
Extended grip? Where did u buy that partner?
@@israelsoto1963wixon shop. Google it. Good guy. Purchase the short extension so you can get your pinky on the grip but still be able to twist to puncture.
The new upgrade lets you keep them charged withoutevery ruining internals
1 to 4 rounds when you have one bad guy invilved. Lately they always come in 3's and 4's.
Well here in the hell of NYS you can’t buy magazines that hold a ton anyway. And good luck getting a semi rifle. So for states like mine that aren’t issuing new pistol permits this is better than nothing.
@@rilysmom7267 I own one, they hit hard!! Face shot? OMG for sure great bodily harm. I would say it is "Less Lethal" but NOT "Non-Lethal" if you get what I am saying.
@@MultiSkyman1Get hit the wrong spot. Lights off
From watching your videos I think over all the S2 is the way to go.
The S2 is an absolutely fantastic launcher. At its price range, nothing really compares.
You can get springs for the pepper rounds so they dont explode in the marker :)
Heheh Yeah, I figured that one out too :)
Nice testing Jon. Kurt with Grimburg is an awesome person. I mentioned to you previously of my business dealings with them. I recall that there is a different spring which can be provided for the Gavle to properly handle pepper type rounds. I've never used them so I'm not positive. There was also a heavier projectile that Grimburg sold when the first Gavle was released weighing close to 10 g. Kurt tested that in that Gavle and I believe it was achieving over 40 Joules. Again, thanks for your continued testing and input for the less lethal community.
My pleasure Brother!! Yeah, after the video was shot, I’ve been chatting back-and-forth with Kurt. He told me about that spring and their pepper balls. Sounds like we’re going to have a revisit :-)
Excellent review, thank you... now I want one when they get back in stock! 👍👍👍
They are worth the wait! :)
Good Job Grimburg! Amazing power out of a very short barrel and valve assembly.
Yeah, can you image a barrel 5 inches longer… yikes!
Very Nice...almost looks like a Mac 11. Like you said..there is a Place for each type of Launcher.
Every situation is different and everyone will have their own needs based upon Individual scenarios.
The Power is Impressive.
Good Stuff Buddy !!!
Thanks, brother! Yeah, I can definitely see this being a very very potent launcher to throw into your less than lethal self-defense solution.
The twist to puncture doesn't bother me too much. It's the inability to reload that is a deal breaker. I understand that you may not need or have time to reload in an actual situation, and that's fine, but I want the ability to do so still because you never know. I'm still looking to buy the Salt Supply S2. Great video by the way - thanks!
I understand Brother! Yeah, I can see this as an addition to an overall self defense solution.
At first I was concerned with the slow loading mechanism, but the energy behind those hits just a single, well aimed one will finish the job. That said, the inbuilt magazine seems extremely reliable, which is very important.
Amazing review!
Thanks Brother! Yeah, the build quality and power is off the charts.
Thx, and the twist to puncture method has never failed!
I own a Gavle, and no joke, it hit's hard! And as he said, it is loud too! As I stated above, one shot is going to make people scatter!
It’s really frustrating because I want grimburg to succeed as a company and I love the power this launcher offers, but like many have stated, I don’t like the twist to puncture, and the inability to reload is problematic as well. Hopefully they can address these criticisms in future models because if they can produce this kind of power with something akin to a byrna platform, Grimburg would be THE name in the less lethal market
Yeah, when I hold this launcher it just screams build quality. I have a feeling we are just barely scratching what these folks will come up with in the future. It’s a great time in this industry!
@@AlternateArmsSD i have been looking everywhere for a guard dog launcher, did they stop producing them
@@commiesnzombies Yep, I think they may have gotten sued… look up the “streetwise the heat”. I have one coming in for review sooner or later, and I will get a video up when it comes in.
Remember these launchers at minimum, are really to deter, distract, and delay a bad guy so that a victim can break contact and try to escape the danger.
The Gavle gives you five heavy shots per Co2 cartridge, so even if it had a magazine to change, you also still have to change out the empty Co2 cartridge then load another fresh one in. Realistically I don't see the average citizen getting into a sustained and extended fight.
I wish they would make a magfed version, that has the capability to shoot both round and first strike rounds just like my First strike fsc
If this thing fired first strike sounds........ Oh my........
Buy it ! Loaded in my truck at all . Tried and tested to neutralize the bad situation hopefully not killing the thief, rapist, car jacker etc. Grimburg is the real thing!
Grimberg has just updated the spring and bolt within the last 30 days. It’s a new feature that made the jewels climb to 39 out of the box. He also adds it for all new launchers @ no extra cost. This is definitely the best bank for your buck until you have it in your hand, you would not know what it feels like. Have you ever seen Scully do a backflip 20 feet back towards the camera on any launcher ?!? desert, Tan owner, and one off-limits, edition, LSU, owner jungle camo !!!
Hey man, yeah it’s a machine for sure!
@@MultiSkyman1 He’s aware :) Voice to text gets it wrong every time.
I was excited as you waiting for your test review. I too was surprised with the weight of that bag of projectiles!
Yes, it is loud! You fire that around any unsuspecting people, and they are going to run or hit the ground thinking it's gunfire!
For sure it will make most criminals scatter, but it could also trigger those scumbags to return gunfire at you!
Then there is the police. But this is a whole different subject we have to talk about at some other time for sure!
Brother, that was the first time I’d seen these Jul round… man it opened up a whole new series of tests :)
Yup I am definitely getting this one. Glad I didn't pre-emptively get the Byrna without doing more research, as this seems like the better option. Having this will give me so much more peace of mind, living in Canada with the strict gun laws and not being allowed to use lethal home defense. So glad I discovered these 'less lethal' launchers that I didn't even know existed!
Live in Canada too.. did you get it??
Are you worried about our stupid laws??
I was hoping to conceal carry but now I'm afraid it might be illegal.
@@JahBlessd Not yet, but it's in the queue. Hopefully getting it soon. The thing that pisses me off is that the chem rounds are illegal in Canada. No one will ship them here and you can't find any store in Canada that sells them. Can't fucking stand our insane laws and government taking away as many ways to defend ourselves as possible. When you need their thugs (police) to defend you, you can count on them not being there.
I believe everyone has the right to defend themselves and their family. Get it
Great video brother! I have the same gray one. I was amazed how powerful this launcher was. Loud too! The noise alone is scary. Those Jul rounds are no joke either!
Yeah, I want to try those in a few other launchers :)
@@AlternateArmsSD The S2 for sure Jon.
Own one too. Yes, I think that loud first shot alone will end a lot of encounters for sure!
NICK here from Portugal, love your videos, keep up the great work thanks
Thanks Brother!
With only five shots I think if I had one I would have my FSC for backup or vise versa for when or if they come in twos or three. Still a great video on a great launcher. The people at Grimberg are really sharp and on the ball. After all this time, I am glad you shared this with us.
Thanks, brother! Yeah, this one was long overdue, but I’m glad we finally got to it. This also opens up the floodgates for a bunch of other tests.
Glad you finally snagged one, man! I was wondering what the problem was. I like my Gavle a lot. Shot 5 rounds a few weeks ago into my wife's old HP laptop from about 25 ft away and they totally demolished it. All 5 almost went completely through the screen, and it was a beefy laptop.
Yeah, it’s amazing watcher. I have some pretty cool tests in mind :-)
Grimburg Gavle 1.0 & 1.5 is simply the best!
They are amazing pieces of technology for sure!
From the Grimburg website, they offer their own pepper balls.... 10% CS + 2% OC KinetiCS projectiles have the power of a 6 gram kinetic projectile PLUS, the most potent combination of irritants available. Made with a thicker plastic shell, these projectiles can withstand the firing force of high powered launchers (44 joules), and can be stored in a magazine indefinitely.
Yes they do!
Also due to their thicker plastic they still look like they have a load of "fuck you" kinetic energy as well as the irritant. Screw california for outlawing them.
@@jaydawg116 Agreed!
@@RobertPage-c2u Weeellll I’ve revised that video quite a bit and that depends on a couple of factors. Primarily the wind and distance. Given the powerful “cone shaped” expulsions of the ruptured round that is might be quite effective at short range (assuming you were down wind of it.)
8grams coming out of these is brutal albeit kinetic or pepper rounds. A face or head shot within 10 feet could be devastating. That being said, if you are in a situation where it is necessary, then mitigating the threat is the ultimate goal giving you time to escape. I do agree on a good manual and instructional video though. Perhaps I should volunteer to help them with that.
Just not too fond of the way the Co2 cartridge hangs out the bottom, I do like how it looks more like a tactical firearm along with its stopping power
Yeah the boot conceals it pretty well but Im thinking a 3D printed cap could............................... well......we shall see :)(
I'm sure it's a quality pistol. I ordered mine about a month ago. Sadly, customer service at Grimburg leaves much to be desired. I hope there's nothing wrong with it, when/if I receive mine...
I just ordered a Gavle yesterday, I hope it doesn’t take so long to be shipped to me. If I don’t hear from them in a week or two, I’ll cancel the order. I hope you get yours soon.
Ill ask Kurt to jump in the chat here.. Perhaps he can help.
Damn I ordered one today and they said a little over a week.
@@hudsone4231 I emailed them a few days ago asking how long would it take for my order to be shipped to me. I got a reply the next day, two to three weeks. If it takes longer than that, I will cancel my order.
Dont you just love this guy?😅 GREAT video, even greater product! I want one of these so bad. 2A all day, but not taking a life is good too if it can go that route.
My philosophy summed up brother!
Nice launcher
Thanks man, yeah it’s a beast
Mines arriving today took a whole month plus one day I'm so lucky. Woohoo!!! Now need to wait for my threaded co2 16g from Amazon also !! But I heard it's so loud I might get the neighbors call cops on me by accident damn I want to test it omg
Awesome!! Yes, its LOUD :)
@@AlternateArmsSD just got my gavle it's bigger than I thought tbh bigger than the 43s but just fatter. The grip is small through. I want to test but don't want my neighbors complaining lol. Hmm
@@Dyran- And they would :)
Five rounds is plenty in that weapon. If you spend some time on the range. I wouldn’t carry it, or any other weapon for that matter until I thoroughly checked out on it. One well placed round would take most opponents out of the fight with that one.
Correct! Generally, most confrontations are settled in the first 3 rounds and there simply is nothing near as powerful as the Gavle out of the box. Thanks for watching!
At Home you use it as a backup. On the street you need to use pepper spray (any powerful launcher) to get time to move away, draw, twist and fire. Robbers are going to run after the first hit. There is no percentage for them to go after you. The Byrna first shot without charging with safety on, will get you cut, even if you can get it out in less than 2 seconds. The bang to charge S2 will be faster than taking the charged Byrna safety off. On the street the launcher choices should be among the Gavel and TCP/FSC, with pepper spray, or, the S2, with a sub 2 second draw-fire-and hit capability. Great product. A better one is coming with their bang-to-charge model eventually coming out. TBD
Yes indeed, I am planning a video denoting a quick draw and pierce with this launcher. I have a couple ideas :)
It looks like you said hard rounds only. I would say center of mass only depending on the situation. Perhaps a knob for reloading. Maybe a two position power "switch" with a position for hard rounds and a position for pepper rounds. I love the power, I want the power. I see two new printers in the background busily working away.🙂
Yes, also they have their own brand of pepper ball, as well as a spring, which eliminates the breaking of the pepper balls in the chamber. I can only imagine getting hit with a pepper ball by one of these things. The kinetic pain alone would be enough to dissuade you much less of face full of nasty :-)
they have a different spring and follower for the pepperballs
@@victorwright2017 Yes they do. I was just curious (and kinda knew what would happen to them) :)
If you don’t want your teargas rounds to blow up while shooting, take superglue and glue the seam, then use airsoft oil on the round
Yeah, they also have a spring that is specifically designed for their own brand of pepper ball, and there are other brands that I think would hold up better. These just didn’t stand a chance. :-)
Grimburg Gavle LTL launcher = cool
And brutal! :)
Nice marker i like it
Nice video again my friend jon🇨🇾👍🏻
Thanks Brother!!
Thanks for the review
My pleasure Brother!
The big boy less lethal. ❤
I belive the co2 holds for 7 rounds, to bad the marker just takes 5 rounds, they should have maked a "magasine" for 7 shots. And..i dont think 16grams co2 are for sale in my country, thats a problem. Best regards from Norway.
Why wouldn’t they make a regular magazine and also the feature that punctures the CO2 with a trigger pull. I wish they would change those 2 things. Then I would buy it (and the shape is a bit big) but acceptable.
@@CoinCollector1 Give them time :) They are still a small company but as they grow improvements and upgrades will follow. :)
Its powerful try getting that co2 to a place where you can twist it quick. Thats where it fails. Pepper ball Trp tcp modded seams like a better option
Yeah, I have another idea about that too….. This is a new road for me :)
This Grimburg is really nice. With 40j @16oz co2 and 36j @12ov co2 (their specs), this is a powerful self defense launcher. But a little pricey, but what price safety? And at 7.8g that will put a hurt locker on someone even at 10m.
Yeah, that power caught me a bit off guard :)
Oh yeah, it would for sure, I own one. The loud pop alone will scare people off.
Good evening Jon. Yes, it was I that talked about the overwatch not being sold to civilians. I don’t think I said it like you did but with some conviction. 😂😄 I was frustrated w it I’m not gonna lie. But I have an UPDATE, they are creating one for me the way I am wanting it which is great.
Heheh My pleasure brother :) I was just teasing you :) You can always tell how much I love my viewers and channel when I talk directly to them in videos :)
It’s all good. I can take some jabs. In he end I enjoy your videos, appreciate the info and access to products and in the end I am getting superior service from Paradigm on what I am purchasing. God bless brother!
@@bradsmith9293Hope you have a great time with your new launcher when it comes. You'll have to give us a run down on what they did to it for you 😊
I believe you tested the modified Umarex HDP with the valve restrictor removed and got up upwards of 500 FPS... if the Grimburg produces 325 FPS with a "heavy" projectile, how would you compare the power of these two firearm options ? I'm also considering a 10mm Glock with rubber bullets... for home defense.
Ok, just as a caveat, I LOVE the hdp50. It is one of the most versatile launcher on the market today, easy to maintain, easy to charge when you need it, and easy to conceal... That being said, this thing is VERY far our of the HDP50s league in terms of sheer power and payload. (But you do pay for the difference).
Yeah, I've had my Gavle for over a year now. It is my weapon of choice because it is compact, engineered to be super reliable, and of course, OEM it is effectively powerful (providing almost terminal velocity).
I was so impressed with mine that I immediately paid $1200 for the upcoming Grimburg HPA Carbine. The thing is a beast, shoots Juls at terminal velocity.*
*Only trouble with my pre-order of the Grimburg Carbine, it is what happens in a recurring dream. Oh well, a pleasant dream, it is.
Yeah that carbine has me excited as well! These guys have a bright future!
Heheh we can keep hoping :)
How do you de gas the pistol?
Wow! I was just looking into getting one after purchasing my second Byrna LE launcher. O may still consider it.
It is a beast!
I’m not to fond of the threaded CO2 cartridges. I don’t know the availability of those compared to standard CO2 cartridges.
So, I'd want to verify this with Kurt.. BUT... it appears they are a standard type of beverage cart (amzn.to/3PpUaYg)
They gotta cost more
@@drbell26 Acutally, they aren’t very expensive at all. (Which surprised me as I’m not used to 16g either)
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, you are absolutely right. On Amazon there’s lots of 12 and 16 gram threaded CO2 cartridges available. That being the case, I ordered a Gavle from Kurt. Thanks Brother 🙏
My pleasure man! Its a machine!
Hay John personally I never had any problems with the twist my only concern is how long it might take to re-load the gun in the event you may need more like multiple intruders it would be interesting to know if Grimburg's own pepper balls can withstand the power and not break in the marker that would work to solve the first problem multiple attackers I'd love to see a video on that getting back to the twist all i can say is know your gun or marker for the gun guys who say IT"S NOT A GUN practice practice practice !
Absolutely brother, practice is key. Also, I don’t know about you, but I carry multiple different types of self-defense launchers in my house for invasion. I have two by my bed, two in my closet, one by my bathroom hall, closet, two in the living room, and one of the kitchen :-) yeah yeah yeah, quit laughing. :-)
it is basically a plastic club after the 5 rounds
I'd like to see that vs Byrna Sd Mr. John .
Yeah, I have a very interesting head to head coming up. I think you guys are going to love it :-)
Hi love your videeos, in the Grimburg you cant load the pepper rounds and the regular rounds they have different springs, can you load both in the Bryna like alternate the pepper 3 then 2 metal ??
@@bertfisk1194 yes indeed, I’ve actually addressed that on several comments here :-) I don’t know about the alternating of rounds using one of the soft springs for the pepper rounds, but it’s definitely something I’m going to test.
That will leave a mark 😂
Oh yeah! :)
Or cracked bones 🩻
Hello, i checked grimburg site and it seems GRIMBURG GAVLE V1.5 LESS LETHAL LAUNCHER Is the only and grimburg fsc is the single handgun launchers for sale. Not this one in the video? Maybe i missed it but is this not out yet and u are testing showcasing?
Greetings, I know they were catching up on manufacturing but I believe they are back in stock now.
I was talking with someone about the gavle- the power is just unmatched for something that can be concealed. We were joking that using this would be like stabbing somebody with a brick. Lol.
I know curt is very adament about the twist to puncture being totally fine and not being magazine fed about the fbi statistics, but i dont think it can really be argued that having a magazine and a quick pierce wouldnt be better even if just for peace of mind. Split seconds count and IF you do need a 6th shot for whatever reason (most people arent trained and WILL miss shots on a moving target trying to attack you, especially if theres more than just one attacker) it would just be nice to have. But for less lethal, lets say its between this, a byrna, and a salt s2 and you gotta pick one, and they all work exactly as intended, id put my life on this. Concealing a byrna le currently, swapping to the gavle the moment it comes in the mail and i can test fire it with a couple mags.
A gavle with a quick pierce would be about perfect :)
I would run the 3 gram solids, like riot balls nylon.
Oh, thats coming ;)
@@AlternateArmsSD oh I will bet the speeds will be NICE AND HIGH. Skully is gonna run and hide.
@@glennsammon4465 Heh poor Skully is in for another bad day :)
@glennsammon4465 I've ran 1 gram solid nylons and they hit harder than 1.8g aluminum metals. I've posted a video in the group to show it pierced this hard plastic on my ice cooler vs a dent by the metal aluminum 1.8gs
Thanks for the vid! I would love to see the fps and jules with the 3.7gram riot balls! 🙂
I’ll see what I can do :)
The Salt Supply S2 & the Bryna LE seem to be the top dogs at this point.
Don’t forget Grimburg :) They are the top dogs for sure.
dont think the byrna is even coming close to the Salt or TCP
😂 Twist this............. Beer cap!!😊
ROFL!! Thanks brother, I just spit tea all the way across my desk :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD 😄 started laughing when you said it!!! This marker is impressive!! Looking forward to more videos from you Brother!!👌
@@lukyluciano7524 thanks brother! I have big plans :-)
Very nice! 🍿🍿
Thanks Brother!
I would love to know if there is a pepper round capable of surviving the launch. Cause that's a damned impressive muzzle velocity.
Jon, did you get a measurement in FPE or joules on those 8 Gram rounds?
I did indeed!! It was 41J. They also have a pepper round and magazine spring designed for pepper rounds.
Sterling has magnetic detents.
Yep!
Finally! Little bugger smacked hard. I 😂 every time you say you are going to try chrono and hit Scully…I remember the good ole days when the chrono was your worst enemy. 👍🏼
Hehe I’m thinking poor skully feels the same way :) It seems that these are getting stranger and stronger every video :)
@@AlternateArmsSDstronger and stronger but the difference now is understanding many more are well versed what is actually acceptable less lethal.
@@lesslethalfordummies We are in such a great time for this industry. It seems like we are getting more and more choices every month!
Will you try shooting the byrna kinetics out of it
I sure will! Stay tuned!
When will the version with a magnetic detent come out? I couldn't wait and ordered the current 1.5 version
It wont be soon. Still in the design phase
Grimburg have their own pepper rounds. They are 6gr.
Yes, indeed, I’m actually going to be getting some of those in shortly to test. Not against myself mind you :-)
I got to be honest i wasn't really impressed with the gavle. The twist to pierce is wonky and the co2 is too pricey. But thats just me. Good video
I understand Brother! It does take some getting used to. I did find the carts on Amazon for a great price though. The biggest advantage was that crazy power though!
My gavle did this:
shot 1: 326fps, 39.49J
shot 2: 320fps, 38.05J
shot 3: 354fps, 46.57J!!!
shot 4: 318fps, 37.57J
shot 5: 312fps, 36.17J
Yep, they are absolutely amazing launchers. I was surprised at how efficient they actually were in the size of that hole but the puncture cap knocks in that CO2 cartridge is amazing. I see a truly bright future for these guys!
I've been holding off on getting a grim...powerful but not that practical for edc. Definitely great for home defense. We honestly need more companies to develop a platform like byrna, only a little better. A bigger valve and slug fed. Great test Jon
Thanks Brother!! Yeah, the one thing that this launcher definitely has going for. It is reliability and that ridiculously high-power. Oh, did I mention it was loud? :-)
First strike FSC pistol is so much better no need for an Alan key and you can drop mags fast.
I agree with one caveat, it’s nowhere near this much power out of the box.
I'm pretty sure Grimburg uses Duke pepper balls
wondering how long after piercing the cartridge will last he didnt say
You should NOT leave them pressurized for an extended period of time. Generally, puncture when you use (or need to use) and then fire out all of the C02. Replace it with a fresh cart so its ready to rock when you need it again.
I gotta get the truth here, all in all, Byrna or Grimburg. A titan vs a newcomer. Theyre the same price. Im an unarmed security guard looking for extra protection with pepper rounds and kinetic rounds.
Id like to wait for a mag version or a non twist version of the Gavle, but im also impatient lol
(Im really bad with decisions)
Greets! For EDC the Byrna is great based on the magazine loading and CO2 piercing method. However, the Gavle is a monster. When you fire it, you can FEEL the difference in power.
@@AlternateArmsSD is it honestly better to fire .68 over lesser cals? I was looking at the m&p clone less lethal too. Ammo is cheaper with that one too.
@@JH22533 It's all about volume and mass. They are all great but the .68 are just amazing. Also, if you are using pepperballs (which you should be if you can), you gain 30-50% more powder per round.
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If you don't trust links, search "Testing The Most Powerful Pepperball Gun Yet | The Grimburg Gavle"
So I been watching a lot of your videos today deciding which way I should go. I have watched both your videos on the Byrna Le and the Grimburg. The numbers are comparable, but if you had to choose one which one would it be and why?
Funny you should ask.... The head-to-head is coming and I have an idea for some tests!
I hope it’s the next video!!
I own both. Numbers? If you mean FPS, remember the Grimburg projectile is twice as heavy as the Byrna projectile so the Grimburg is hitting a lot harder.
Now if you live in a colder climate where people are wearing heavier coats etc., you would need the Grimburg for sure to punch harder! So I would take the Grimburg in that case.
@@MultiSkyman1so if the Grimburg hits hard because the projectile is twice as heavy what if you used Grimburg shots in the Byrna? I live in Houston so heavy coats aren’t a big deal but I’ve seen videos of the Byrna really hurting someone and I’ve seen videos of people take 3 shots and laughing. I just want to make sure the one I choose will protect me and my family. If you had to choose 1 which one would you recommend to friends?
@@Jbhuynh The Byrna would not have enough Co2 power to propel the heavy Grimburg Jul round with good FPS I think.
Byrna also says use only their projectiles and Co2 cartridges, and I do.
I would feel the most safe with the Grimburg for sure. It just plain hits hard! I think Jon here, will be doing a lot more tests with the Grimburg soon. Lets see what he comes up with.
CRAZY Jon ! Nice job as usual do you have an HDR 68 revolver 16j for sale ??
I do Brother (Buts its closer to 22J) . Shoot me an email jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
Grimburg has the kineticscs that are 6g that duke manufacture for grimburg
Yes, indeed, I had a long talk with Kurt after this video dropped, and there were several things I didn’t know about. :-) one thing that’s wonderful about this industry, you’ve never stop learning.
I’m gonna be critical I can’t help it. I have a feeling that they made a special one just for you as they don’t usually go quite that high. The jewels are made of nylon and copper, and they changed it to nylon and steel. The obvious reason for that is Price of materials. Magnet detent to me sounds like a cover reason for changing the material. Which I think, unnecessary as most people would understand. I like Grinberg, but I don’t like the smoke My nose is very sensitive to it
I don't know Brother. This looks like an off the shelf model. It as packaged exactly the same as the others they ship. Now, it's possible my chrono was reading wrong but based on what I saw on Skully, I don't think it was. This thing is loud and powerful. Also, I've never had any other Grimburg launchers, so this was my first experience with one and so far... I'm impressed. Time will tell as I have a series planned for it.
I believe the reason these numbers are this high is because these are the new JulV3. They don’t have copper. They have steel and are better bore matched. The Julv3 are .686
The new solstice coming out in 2025 wiil get 44j.
Great test John. Thanks
Grimburg made those new JulV3 with the steel powder instead of copper in the old JulV2. Because they work with the new magnetic detent
John, Sean Kempter used the Grimburg JulV2 in the Salt Supply S2. Grimburg discontinued the JulV2. But I believe those new JulV3 Grimburg sent you will be better bore matched for the S2. They are the closer in size to the S2 barrel than the JulV2. Maybe you can do a test with those JulV3 in the S2. To see the joules it’s putting out.
Also Grimburg does have a pepperball made by Duke. They have steel powder in them. They are 6g.
Thanks and awesome testing
@@thepepperballprepperlessle6486 Yep, I’ve been emailing back and forth with Grimburg about they spring, the pepper rounds, and tests. I have so many plans for this launcher :)
@@AlternateArmsSD I am curious about the trigger pull weight.
Alright!
It’s a beast :)
Know little about these launchers but a few questions. 1. lasar or dot, how does it work on these items? How many shots do you get per regular co2 canister?
The lasers work fantastic! Generally on this model around 8-10 shots per. (VERY hard shots) :)
If you had to choose which would pick? Byrna LE or the Gavel? Great video btw
Thanks brother, oh man, you’re making me make tough decisions here :-)
OK, strictly from a power standpoint, there is no equal to the gavel out of the box. The thing is just brutal. I would like some improvements on the loading mechanism for the ammunition, and I suspect that a future version will have some sort of punch cap to puncture system. I don’t think we’re going to be going down the road of a full magazine like the Byrna does, but I’m not overly concerned about that.
I think for EDC, I would probably use the Byrna as it’s a little easier to conceal. However, for something in my car, or for home protection, I would definitely look to the gavel. Also, remember that Grimburg is constantly improving and updating their models. I suspect we’re going to see a lot more cool stuff coming out of these guys.
I have looked at getting one, but I don't like the way it looks. I will stick with my Byrna or my Walther.
I have a head to head coming that you’ll get a kick out of :)
I'm a newbie to all this but how on Earth can this be classified as less than lethal? Any of these shots would clearly kill someone, right?
Not exactly, while Skully is a fantastic representation of the power it is not as hard as a human skull. Also, these are very large rounds with very high blunt impact. I’m actually actually trying to get a ballistics gel skull to test against but so far the companies have come up a little dry :-)
Whatever u do. Dont shoot urself in the face with it. This aint ur gma's less lethal.
FACT! :)
I'm wondering if you could do a challenge with the grimburg gavel, versus the BYR NA LE using the homewrecker and glass breaker rounds. That would be very interesting.
Oh, you KNOW a head to head is coming :)
From what I've researched as well as heard from a lot of people that the homewrecker and the glass break arounds work great in the BYRNALE, they are a little bit heavier than the kinetics, but not too heavy to harm the launcher
Byrna LE vs Grimburg Gavle? No contest. The gavle beats it hands down. My LE is average 11joules, only the first shot gives like 24J if I recall correct. Its way underpowered compared to the gavle.
My gavle did this:
shot 1: 326fps, 39.49J
shot 2: 320fps, 38.05J
shot 3: 354fps, 46.57J!!!
shot 4: 318fps, 37.57J
shot 5: 312fps, 36.17J
@@joesolo7719 I own both. And yes, no contest!
Which one you like better for Carry Grimberg or byrna le
Ok, now this could be VERY controversial here because I love them both! Depending on your level of training, the Byrna is much easier to use. It's also a bit easier to CC. If you're going to OC, then either one is great. That being said, the Gavel is an unrivaled powerhouse. It does have a bit of a learning curve and you are limited to 5 VERY hard shots but nothing that can't be overcome with some practice. You should ALWAYS practice with your launchers regularly so that, should the need for it arise, you are ready instantly and muscle memory takes over. You can't go wrong with either one really.
uh, sorry, but not sure if I'd feel safe with only 5 shots. What if there are more than 2 attackers (4 or 5) ?
Yeah, the biggest issue is size. Even with perfect engineering, the .68 round is big. Also, you have the limitations of the 12 (or in this case 16) gram C02 cart. They have a tremendous amount of power but limited capacity. These were never designed to be a replacement for a firearm, they are another option.
So you didn't tell us which one is better. The Grimburg or the Byrna LE?
The Byrna LE has a reloadable clip but the Grimburg doesn't. Correct?
Hey brother, yeah, it’s really not in my nature to tell you which one is better per se, I want to give you all of the information and let you make your own decision. That is correct, though, the gavel does not have a swappable magazine. However, it hits considerably harder.
Truth is, you couldn’t go wrong with either one of these two launchers. They are both definitely top dogs in their game. You might also take a look at the salt supply S2.
Awesome video! I'm surprised there are not that many gavle videos out there give the launcher's insane performance.
Are these serialized? I'm leary buying one of these and carrying it out in public. I'm more confident using my EP or my TRP because LEOs know what they are. The gavle is a borderline ghost gun if it cant be traced back to the manufacturer.
You know, I actually didn’t notice! I’ll look tomorrow and let you know :)
Not a firearm. Can’t be a ghost gun.
@@dta6446 we are aware of that, but you just know cops and prosecutors will use that "no serial #" bs against us.
I read in a FB group post that someone used a gavle in public and the cops confiscated the launcher. Kurt had to talk to the pigs and explain what the gavle was all because it doesn't have a SN and the pigs didn't know about grimburg.
can you mix the rounds? like every odd one is pepper and every even one is metal?
You certainly can (and I do) ;)
Keep in mind though, with the gavle you need a specific spring for the pepper rounds. I believe it does work with the kinetic though.,
Omg man it’s James in Canada I talked too you the other day please tell me u have these with the 12 gram co2 or should I go for the FSC.
Hey brother, no they are 18 g but they are readily available.
I have never even heard of a 18 co2 Are they hard to get?
And is fsc 12 gram co2
@@Pixie-lw6sq Yep. However, the power difference out of the box is crazy!
@@Pixie-lw6sq nah, amazon has them.
change to mag feed and im buying
Give them time :)
Ciao grande... Ottimo video
Grazie mille!
335 fps with an eight gram round, I would tend to think a much lighter standard riot ball would most likely have a much higher velocity.
As would I. I’m not sure that the 3.2 pepperballs were the same exact size meaning I could have been losing air between the rounds and the barrel. I have a series on videos planned though and we will use a variety of rounds :)
Coming soon to a video near you... The Fireball Rounds!!! They ignite as they fire out of the barrel and explode on impact doing AOE damage to everyone in a 6 foot radius 😱
But yeah I'd be very interested in seeing how lighter round fare with this beast of a launcher. I don't think I've seen any videos of someone using anything but V2 ammo.
@@Joreel ROFL!! That could be entertaining :)
Where is a deal on one at Boss
Heh I’m not a distributor for them…. Yet :) I’m not even sure they evan have distributors. They are a small and growing company. I assume at some point they will though. (And I’ll be on that list!)
Picture looking for your Allen key to reload in an emergency.
Yeah, this is not a “quick reload” launcher for sure. However, practice practice paractice and make those shots count.
@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you.
Can you reply to my other post below?
@@AlternateArmsSD Yeah but sometimes it's not always a one on one thing and there are more than one assailant or ppl are getting jumped.
@@TheAlmightyGod1 True, that’s where the pepper rounds come in. Alternate your rounds and aim center mass. You’d be amazed how many bad guys change their attitude when you hit them with these. Also, statistically speaking, they are looking for “soft targets” that can’t or won’t fight back. Cowards tend to flee from force.
Either way, practice is key in any well rounded self defense scenario.
So it's 37 j onthe first shot out of wondering the umerex compact 50 with the mod how many joules I'd it this launcher is impressive indeed.
Hey Brother, Yeah the HDP50 and HDP50 compact cant compete with this Joule rating without HPS tapping and bottle feeding them. This thing is a beast!
@@AlternateArmsSD I'm thinking of bottle feeding in a way😁
@@cambobaginds9274 Heh
@@AlternateArmsSD I wonder if you thought about this the way it set up to put the co 2 and using the little co 2 cartridges.Why couldn't I set up an extension to put in one of the full size co two cartridges looks to me like there's enough wiggle room to do that
@@cambobaginds9274 There very well could be. I suspect we are going to see folks modding these in the future. They are an amazing base to start with!
Hey dude seen you had fun with that you can also mod your valken m17 I have seen videos with the home defence 24 heat core bolt people getin over 100 jules
Hey Brother! Yeah, I did :) I love the M17. Its a great launcher for sure!
M17 is amazing for the price an the mags I'f you get the helix spring from John wick an his follower an plug get rid of the winder an shoot shapped ammo flawless
While there’s no dispute about the impressive
power of, it’s seems that power is the only positive I can come up with
Every thing else comes up in the “ Nope” column
Stupid expensive
Low capacity
Overly complicated loading procedure
Twist to arm
Looks like a toy space gun .
the optic mount was worth a chuckle. It seems overly and unnecessarily engineered.
As always, appreciate the videos, in this case, it’s a hard pass
Hey Brother! My pleasure man! Wait till you see what's coming next ;)
Ouch, that looks almost lethal if someone took one to the head. I found a used one on eBay that color with a box full of goodies that I snagged before eBay pulled the ad. I was like "Oh chit" when I fired it because it was so loud. A Karen called the police on me when she heard my HDX so I am sure if they heard me using that regularly in my yard for target practice they would be flopping around like a fish out of water. Hehehe
Hehe Yeah, it has a heck of a report :) no, the human skull is even more dense than Scully, also, you have the added aspect of skin, fat, and vessels. My guess is it would definitely break the skin on a direct hit, but I seriously doubt it would penetrate the skull. It would certainly issue an attitude correction though :-)
Its a beast but i hate hate hate not being mag fed deal breaker for me just imagine being in a position were 5 rounds is not enough you going to tell some one to give you a min
The 5 round limitation is a concern but, statistically, most encounters are resolved the first 4 rounds. In fact, in a majority of self-defense situations, the presence of the launcher deters the criminal. Also, practice practice practice ;)
If you need more than 5 rounds from this thing, you are no longer in a situation where you should be relying on less lethal. 5 rounds at 35-40 joules is far more effective than 10 or 15 rounds at 10-12 joules from the other concealable options. Byrna has a magazine, but by shot #6 you are at 8 joules. Paintball guns shoot at 12-14 joules, and kids shoot eachother with them for fun.
@@timakers6896 for one I truly hate the design having to compress a spring and then deal with having to screw it down I also don’t like the twist co2 look I’m older my hands are not what they use to be I’m not messing with all that .I also try to avoid using my real guns if I have too for me the clip is a deal breaker my fsc does 50 Jules with a 12 gram clips they make
@@timakers6896 Agreed. Also, if you TAKE 5 rounds from this thing, and it doesn’t correct your attitude, then you might be needed back in krypton. :) This thing hits like a freight train!
@FroggyMan Yeah the loading could be a bit challenging for you but the twist is actually MUCH easier than I thought it would be. Give them time, I suspect this isn’t the end of their journey :)
Reloads would be a PITA.
Agreed, hence practice practice practice :) I believe they’re actually working on something to alleviate that as well.