The Grimburg looks so impressive from the shear power is produces but the fact that the co2 canister has to be twisted for it to work turns me off. I really like the Byrna cuz it’s ready to go when you pull the trigger.
I almost did not buy the Gavle for that reason. Twisting the co2.... But then I got thinking. Most the time you see danger coming. Most the time you have a spare second, most the time you can "read the room". And if your Gavle is in a holster or jammed in your pants, it's takes NOTHING to twist that co2 even through your shirt and no one would have a clue what you are doing. I carry other items for self defense. I use a Mace pepper "gun" sprayer that takes care of 10 to 20 feet, Sabre hand held pepper / OC spray and that takes care of 5 to 10 feet and an expandable baton for hand to hand. For me, the Gavle ( or any brand) takes care of the 20 plus feet. Remember, it's not just yourself your protecting. 99% of the time, you'll have time. And that 1% ? Well then your hand to hand. Just some things to consider. Have a great day.
The Gavle seems to be twice the power but is very large, slower to use due to having to twist the CO2 cartridge and can't be reloaded quickly with another magazine.
I just bought two, one for myself and one for my girl, after watching the hard2hurt channel where the host took a shot from it at 30 feet. Out of all the launchers I know of, the Grimburg Gavle is the only one I judge to be effective enough to trust with my daughter's safety. Not that the Byrna LE, for example, isn't a good LTL weapon. But I have seen people take shots from them and not be stopped for certain. I want me girl to both feel safe and actually be safe.
Another great video. A couple of regulars have been using Grimberg ammo in the S2 with great results. It’s as if bore matched. I believe it was East Coast Less Lethal, and Less Lethal For Dummies. These tests have me rethinking on a Gavel for the collection.
Thank you so much Brother! some people say that I can be a little long-winded, but my goal is always to give every bit of information that you could possibly need before you spend your hard earned money on something.
I would personally like to thank everyone in the comments who are “thinking”about purchasing a Gavel, I just ordered my 3rd one last week on the 17th, please take “all” the time in the world to order yours so mine will come faster.
@@veganmalik I’m sorry I’m just now seeing your comment, I ordered mine on July 17th and did not recieve it until August 24th I believe it would have been longer but I called left a message and got it about a week later.
another great video Jon. of the three Byrnas that I do have the one that goes outside is loaded with pepper rounds.I could not get them for a while but MCS allowed me to buy some PAVA rounds. the Byrnas that stay indoors of course use the Byrna solid rounds. I have to get two of the LE models now.
The Grimburg Gavil is a total beast and it's at least twice as loud as the Byrna LE. I'm thinking about purchasing the Grimburg FAR projectiles. Can you test the FAR projectiles? Thanks, Wayne
Hey Wayne, as it turns out, they are actually here in the chat. I will ask them about it, but if you would like to see them on my channel, let them know also :-)
@AlternateArmsSD Hi John. I asked Grimburg about the FAR projectiles in the Gavil and they explained the Gavil can only use round projectiles. The FAR ammo are designed for the FSC with the Paradigm barrel or the FSC. I'm glad you told me to inquire about the FAR because, I was about to order some. Thank you sir...
@@timmcculloch2608 you would. Anytime you extend the barrel, you keep the pressure behind the round for longer. However, you sacrifice the ability to carry and conceal.
Good day Jon. Nice testing as usual. Since you gave news on the PDP'S I was wondering if you have heard anything more on the HDX 68 high-powered version coming to the states? I'm hearing the release has been moved further away again close to Christmas time with a significant price increase. I appreciate any information concerning this and thank you again for your testing.
Hey brother, funny you should ask :-) I had a conference call with Umarex last week and I was told that the new 40 J HDX should be out by August. Stay tuned on that one :-)
@@kurt9994If you don't want to wait, there are a few places that already sell the 40 Joule HDX if you do a search for them. I bought one a while back and it's a beast of a launcher at 40-50 Joules (depending on the temperatures apparently). I wish I could have had the company send it to Jon first as he would have had so much fun blowing Sully into tiny pieces in one shot.
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, I'm seeing $500 now for that HDX high powered version supposedly being released a little before Christmas. If that's true they're pricing themselves out of the market. Thanks for your work in the Less lethal community.
Am i the only one who sees massive potential in this market? All this is still flying relatively under the radar. I wish i could invest somehow lol. I have so many ideas on different options. I would like to see conical rounds. I would like to see PCP options. I would like select fire options. I want the ability to empty the c02 in only 10 shots with each shot 400+ fps (like a high power mode). Maybe even crazier things like combining multiple non lethal methods together (light, sound, pepper spray, taser, kinetic, etc) 😂 . I just think this whole market is going to grow multiple times over.
The taster rounds the issue is weight and cost, Taser tried years back and couldn't get the cost per shell below 80$ retail being 140 for a 12g. They weren't reliable either and the performance wasnt great. As for pcp... Its something I been screaming about for years, internally regulated pcp air tank mounted to the gun, the issue is refilling them. One thing I'd REALLY like to see is regulated co2 on a 12g cart which would improve shot consistency no end
@ thank you. I ended up getting the LE just today. I hope I can find a shooting range to practice. I live in the city but feels and has great size like a real handgun I used to own that my rights were taken away unfairly.
Great video, like always! Off topic, I came across a Launcher called the Sicariis .50cal. Almost looks like a Tiberius 8.1 that went on a diet. Hope you will do a review when they reach out. I also think your channel is one of the best ones out there. Im also pro Less Lethal.
So I got a ahaha moment for ya... Leave the CO2 out of the byrna tip it upside down and drop a round into the mag well... You will realize when you pull the trigger the round falls into place and is loaded into the chamber.. now my question (it's not in my budget as I try to save as much of my stock for when necessary) can you fill the mag well up and repeatedly fire and empty the 10+ rounds that fills the mag well without a jam and could this be a better way for when you got multiple threats
Hehe Yeah, they will all do that. The only thing that holds the round in place is the detent which is either in the launcher or in the magazine depending on the model you choose.
Great video. I heard Grimburg has a new set of seals that can handle the CO2 being charged past the five-minute time limit to avoid ruining the older-style seals. That is a nice development. I was concerned about that so I never loaded mine back to back when plinking. One load up, bleed the unused CO2 out and put it away. Now a person can keep the system charged with the CO2 cylinder snug instead of rattling around when walking with one on my belt. I am curious how long a marker can sit charged up with these new seals without damaging the marker.
I know you can’t store the Grimberg Gavel with the CO2 pierced (not many launchers will let you store them pierced), but can you store it with the projectiles already loaded or will that compromise the spring? Been looking online and can’t find any answers and figured you’d know Jon. Thanks in advance 👍🏾🤙🏾
Hi all. This was maybe discussed on previous occasions. I have a new TR-50 and TP-50 and every now and then when I hit the punch button all the air releases from the punch button hole. Am I just not doing it right, hitting it too soft, too hard etc?
@@AlternateArmsSD Both are Gen 2's, TP I got about 2 weeks ago and the TR about a month ago. The do twist. So I was wondering if I'm hitting it to hard and too long and then stopping it from turning?
@ you should only have to twist it until it stops. You should never have to use the Allen key if it was included. Tell me this, does that have the quick release pressure valve on the bottom or is it one that you screw in and it has an Allen key hole on the bottom?
@@AlternateArmsSD not sure if it can take an allen key fitting inside, there is a hole inside the red circle that shows "Push" I only tighten by hand. Did not get Allen keys with them. Am I supposed to twist it as I punch it or is it supposed to twist by itself?
Hey Jon, a question: Will the Byrna SD feed and run the Grimburg Juuls? They look amazing and I would be curious if it works on the SD and SDXL. Thanks again!
@AlternateArmsSD lmao! I can only imagine. 3 Markers in 3 wks! I need to stop watching all these addictive videos. I think I know what it feels like to be addicted to illicit drugs!
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 ROFL!! If it makes you feel any better, I talked to a couple manufacturers and it looks like we’re getting four more launchers next year :-)
Did you use the grimburg balls in the byrna? I skipped through some of the talking so I may have missed that but I digress I’d be curious to see what byrna rounds do in the byrna launcher at 40 feet. Even though they’re the same caliber my initial thought seeing how inaccurate the byrna was compared to the rest was those balls aren’t designed for the byrna.
@@AlternateArmsSD correct however I’d be hesitant to use it because it looks like it could do fatal damage to somebody. I’ve seen these rounds break cinderblock/concrete like structure (granted that test was with the Grimburg not a byrna) so I wonder what type of impact it would have against the human skull.
@@Grayman2911 I am going to get a few ballistic dummies for future shows for just that purpose. (They are rather pricey so Im working with a company now) If you were point blank, it could be bad. However, from a distance, they wouldnt be lethal. Still, I would NOT want to be on the receiving end.
@@Grayman2911to be lethal you are talking sub 1ft and a temple hit based on the data iv seen it basically requires muzzle contact at 30j You're talking 60 to 80j to be lethal at the temple at 2ft and even that's rare. The Russian wasp at 40 60 and 90j has given a lot of test data.
Thank you so much, absolutely. A longer barrel will always increase accuracy, power, and range because it gives the round more time to travel. However, keep in mind then when you’re using a round ball, these are essentially modern day muskets :-) if there’s no rifling in the barrel or no twist to the round, it’s all about velocity.
I have a question about my Byrna LE. I have had a loaded magazine in the launcher for several months now, and just out of curiosity I removed it and took out ammunition. One of the maximum pepper balls was cracked. This was very disappointing, after all, I don’t wanna wait till I’m in an altercation before I load the launcher. What is your take on keeping magazines loaded over a long period of time?
One question, did you have it hot loaded? If so, that means you had a considerable amount of pressure against the round just below the one in the breach. I’m assuming that was a pepper around. Also, there are many different qualities of pepper rounds. Some of the best actually seal the ball at the seam using an adhesive as opposed to just pressure. That’ll eliminates a lot of that problem as well.
@@Manticore2024hot loaded is full mag and one in the chamber. The problem with pepper balls is their a 2 piece design and there's always going to be issues with seam failure under pressure. You need to check them once every 3 weeks or so. They aren't leave loaded forever rounds.
@@jojomercado-j5l I’ve left one charged for up to a week without a problem. However, the point of the quick Pierce is to have a fresh cartridge when you need it at the moment you need it. So, if you use one to practice, go ahead and run the entire CO2 out and put in a fresh cartridge.
@@Pendragon501 That would make sense to me. These things are all American made and I can tell you that other American made manufacturers that you've seen on this show are also having supply issues to some extent.
@@veganmalik It took a month and a half to arrive, and here's the real kicker... It didn't even work! It was defective right from the first trigger pull. It wouldn't fire. Then it eventually fired... and then kept shooting on its own emptying all projectiles and kept shooting until it ran out of CO2! According to them, they apparently have a problem with the bolts. So yeah, you'll end up paying $30-$40+ in shipping (because they force you to pay for shipping insurance) and then they don't even pay for the return shipping when They send you a defective product (because they clearly don't test them when before they ship them out, as some else I know ordered theirs the same day and have the exact same problem). You've been forewarned.
Not really. There are major differences between the launchers and the caliber is the primary difference. Also, each of these is capable of putting out MUCH more power than the HDP50 (Particularly the gavle). That being said, there is a cost difference. These are much more than the HDP50.
@@123catz Oh, I know. I have done a ton of tests with the HDP50 and I love them. However, it’s a matter of mass and speed. You can’t go wrong with either one.
Do you know if the Grimburg Gavel no executioner or jury , can pop out shaped rounds ? Because using my round aluminum makes it bounce alot unless it's weak material but if I can used a sharp tip round or any shape round that go forward I bet it can pierce a type of metal... So for short too long don't read ... CAN THESE FIRE SHAPED ROUNDS?
Testing a gun in a vice grip is to check repeatability of the gun/projectiles. If a gun doesn't fire in the exact same spot when hard mounted, then you can expect to never have repeatable accuracy when firing normally. The vise grip test is very obviously not for real world situations.
@@mboyer68 Agreed. I try to test everything on my channel in real world situations. In fact, I have a couple of interesting scenarios. I’m going to try in the beginning of the year that I think you’ll probably get a kick out of.
Just watched a video yesterday where the Gavle was shot at a human several times with the pepper and also the regular rounds....brutal! It's on Houston Jones' channel if interested.....
@@MultiDonna yeah, I know Houston Jones very well. He’s not exactly the average human though :-) he makes a living out of getting shot with different objects all the time. And if it affected him like that, you can imagine what it would do to a standard person :-)
Hello I have a dumb question could a non blow back be turned into a blow back I have two scorpions and a xde bb and nigh stalker BB all c02 I love the blow back I also wonder if I am the first to ask 😂 have a great day
Can the grimburg be modified and can you send email catalog of your products with prices.Your videos are extremely informative and entertaining.Thank you.
Actually, the Grimmer does have a few modifications that can be done to the launcher. Grimberg is actually monitoring this chat so they will probably jump in here as well. I don’t currently carry the Grimburg products on my website, but give me time :-) they are definitely somebody I would love to add to the alternate arms less than lethal family :-)
@ my pleasure, man, sorry it took so long to get back with you. I’ve been trying to catch up in the end of the year is being a little bit unrelenting :-) Do you answer your question, though? It really depends on the situation. I personally use several different launchers and several different situations in several different places depending on my needs. In my car, I carry the gravel and one Byrna LE. However, I will probably be carrying one of the new pistelle .68 shortly. I have an assortment of less than lethal rifles at my house as well as several other products.
I saw your video that you did a few months ago and immediately bought the GRIMBURG! 5 shots with along with that noise & whoever just broke in the house is now trying to breaking out! HIM & HIS HOMIES! Tell purple skully 💀 to go to the ER!
@@veganmalik hey brother, I can tell you that they hand make every single one of these. Typically, and they will be in the chat to answer the question, but they’re shipping time is usually between one and three weeks. If it’s been beyond that, shoot me an email and I’ll see if I can help you out. I talk to them quite a bit :-)
Jon, I sent my Gavle in for an examination. The trigger is super stiff and unusable for me. I got it back, and nothing has changed! Not sure what to do now? Was thinking of sending it to you for an autopsy. Also, did you notice Grimburg has a new O-ring upgrade for the Gavle so that you can leave it pressurized much longer than the list 5 minute limit. Anyway, very disappointed.
Hi! The trigger pull is 4 lbs. That's typical on a carry gun, for safety. We test every launcher that goes out and is returned to us. If it still seems difficult, could you ask someone else to try it and see what they think? Have you shot any firearms?
Hey man, tell you what, shoot me an email and I’ll have you send it to me and I’ll compare it side-by-side with the one I have. They are right on the trigger pull. I have seen extremely wild variations between trigger poles. Watcher you think would be very light like the Glock 17 or some of the heavier polls, whereas launchers like the TRP which seem like they would be heavy or almost like a feather. However, until I see the one you have, I can’t really give you an educated guess :-)
@@grimburglesslethal Yes I own several firearms and even two cannons for reenacting! I also own the Salt Supply S2, Byrna LE, Umarex HDR .68, .50 and HDP .50. All easy to fire. Actually, when I first got Gavle the trigger was working better and my friend shot it and my others. He did not like the Gavle at all. Only the LE and S2. Anyway, how bout I send it back one more time for a closer inspection? Will include the Co2 I was using.
Hi John, my name is Alvin, I just subscribed to your channel. I just saw your video's last night on the Byrna LE. I'm new to this types of items. I want a lot of power, and I will only use metal balls or rubber balls for ammunition. With this information from me, could you please help me with a selection. Thanks John. 😇
Greets Alvin! Absolutely. Take a look at either the Byrna LE, salt supply, S2, Grimburg gavle, or the new pistelle 68.. for your first time launcher though, keep it simple. The byrna is by far the easiest of all of them to operate. I have videos on all of them.
@AlternateArmsSD Hay John, I only want to use the Aluminum balls in the LE. I saw a video and the guy stated that if you use Aluminum balls a lot you will damage the barrel. Is that true?
Not only have I seen it, I’ve been directly in touch with their sales Director. Apparently, they don’t feel that my channel warrants having one sent for review. However, if you want to see exactly what it is, look at my video on the guard dog fireball. They are absolutely 100% identical.
my cousin and I tested the byrna HD which they dont make anymore. he shot me from 20 feet away , both center mass. first was the kinetic round directly in the middle of my chest and it hurt like Hell but I was able to keep coming. then we used the pepper ball round from same distance. both hurt like Hell. the pepper ball round didnt affect me at first but a few seconds later I was in tears. can you take a couple of the kinetic rounds and keep coming?definitely, but the HD only uses 8gram CO2 and it if it was using 12gram and rapidly fired at the head I wouldn't not be able to take that and few people could. it would easily shatter bones in the face. So Yeah, I can tell you from direct experience they work and work well for close range self defence, especially for the home. A gun just isnt necessary for home protection. even if a home invader had a gun , with the element of suprise and a couple of quick shots using a good load of first pepper, then all out kinetic with a 12gram cartridge you would be able to disable the attacker. there is way to much liability with guns. And g am a CWP holder who totally advocates pepper ball over firearms for self defence. however in an SHTF situation....Im grabbing my AR. But we arent there yet, so save yourself the drama of firearms and carry less lethal.
Most folks also tend to dismiss the fact that, if I were using it in a self-defense situation, Im not firing one or two rounds... Im dumping the mag on target ;)
Never fire all your rounds at once! Dude might have a friend behind you or something. Load the chamber with Pepper ball for him, Pepperball for his friend, If he's still coming next round is Aluminum, still coming? next Steel round to the forehead. Next you just beat him or run or he's gonna get you. They'll wish they had never met you.
@@h-townautomotivetraining8219 primarily because it’s a relatively new market. I suspect that as sales increase and volume increases prices will decrease overtime. Also, they are pretty complex internally. Some more than others for sure. That being said, there are some versions that are very powerful, but very inexpensive.
I actually have another plan. However, if this goes wrong, I could put a pepper around or a kinetic round directly through a $700 camera :-) let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
I've seen people like godzilla that push through even the byrna max rounds so there's quite a few godzillas (determined) people out there but at that point it's not a self defense scenario more than likely...you hope....get used to head shots and mag dumping haha EDIT: I paused a few seconds to early lol because soon as I hit play he described that very thing.
ROFL You'd be amazed how often someone brings up folks on drugs. I had a person argue that he'd seen a person take an entire mag of 9mm rounds so what could an LTL launcher do........ Let that sink in .. Well, DUH .. ;) The truth is that 99.9% of self defense encounters dont call for a lethal response and even less would be "godzillas". As far as mag dumping.. A B S O L U T E L Y .. If you have to pull it and use it.. DUMP it. :) Thanks for watching man!
I don't think this is a fair fight because all these launchers in my opinion can be used for different situations the other two you will have to activate the other one you can use straight out of the holster
@@Urbanlesslethal That’s very true. The point of my head head videos is not to determine which one is better per se, it is to show you the differences in real time situations. You are 100% correct though, each one would have their own specific purpose. Another thing, I’ve learned that you can train your muscle memory to charge these very efficiently if you practice with the launcher quite a bit. I’ve got the Grinberg down to less than a half a second from draw. The burner on the other hand, you have to muscle train yourself to charge it on safe so that your first round will go down range at full velocity. As far as the ball, there are so many different strike to puncture launcher out there that it is actually quite easy to quickly puncture during your draw and get on target immediately. Thank you so much for watching!
At less than 20 feet most of these will cause some serious damage. Also, keep in mind that you need to use a high-quality pepper ball in your self-defense scenario. I typically alternate my rounds.
CAN ANYONE BUY THE PEPPER trp 50 CAL, OR IS IT FOR POLICE ONLY. IAM 72 YRS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING SOMETHING.idon't need a 350 psi, i think this would do me good.I don't need a long range. I went to there web sight and it talked about being a cop.
@@AlternateArmsSD I can't say I blame him. We got a sauce where I cook called nuke sauce. I choke just from rinsing the sauce. I hate to think how bad the powdered stuff would be.
@@kjayclowers12 there are several problems with that statement. First, he’s a comedian and a trained athlete to a specifically trying to take shots like this. 99.9999999% of the people you’re going to meet or not and are not. also, keep in mind that he took specifically located shots in a very slow and timed manner. If you’re in a self-defense situation, you unloaded center mass as quickly as possible.
if someone shot me with that I would laugh and put a 10mm straight in their face! btw your cute pepper rounds dont really hurt. my friends and I used to chase each other on dirt bikes and shoot each other with them. it didnt hurt and we were like 12
Nice try "Tough Guy" but they are not what you think. I suppose that police departments, militaries, and private security companies all over the planet got it wrong but you have the inside scoop huh :) If someone shot you with a Gavle within 20 feet, the only thing you're doing is crying for mommy and praying the next round doesn't come your way :) Add in the pepper rounds.. Oh, did I mention prisons use it as well, and your weeping, coughing, and puking while your buddies ride by on their Schwinn's laughing at you. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, they are definitely no joke. It’s funny, the people who typically try to talk. A lot of smack about these are people that have never taken a direct hit.
Greetings, most of the ones that I test on the channel come from different manufacturers or companies that want to have them highlighted and shown to people. However, I ordered quite a few on my own to bring to you guys as well. In fact, that’s the entire goal of this channel. I want to show you guys exactly what you will get when you buy one of these before you shell out your hard-earned money. That being said, I’ve never had an issue with him coming through the mailing system, per se. I certainly do understand trust issues though :-)
The Grimburg looks so impressive from the shear power is produces but the fact that the co2 canister has to be twisted for it to work turns me off. I really like the Byrna cuz it’s ready to go when you pull the trigger.
That is one of the drawbacks to the Gavle. Its power is unrivaled out of the box (as of today) :)
I almost did not buy the Gavle for that reason. Twisting the co2.... But then I got thinking. Most the time you see danger coming. Most the time you have a spare second, most the time you can "read the room". And if your Gavle is in a holster or jammed in your pants, it's takes NOTHING to twist that co2 even through your shirt and no one would have a clue what you are doing. I carry other items for self defense. I use a Mace pepper "gun" sprayer that takes care of 10 to 20 feet, Sabre hand held pepper / OC spray and that takes care of 5 to 10 feet and an expandable baton for hand to hand. For me, the Gavle ( or any brand) takes care of the 20 plus feet. Remember, it's not just yourself your protecting. 99% of the time, you'll have time. And that 1% ? Well then your hand to hand. Just some things to consider. Have a great day.
The Gavle seems to be twice the power but is very large, slower to use due to having to twist the CO2 cartridge and can't be reloaded quickly with another magazine.
@@riekopo7638 Grimburg has a new launcher coming but they are staying pretty tight lipped about it :)
@@Tenn-pipes-powder-ponderance I had same concerns, very good points, thank you.
That microchip background is one of the coolest things I have seen in I can’t remember when.
Thanks man! That’s a ton of my life on that wall :)
@@AlternateArmsSD would be cool if you did a video about that
@ Oh, I have brother. :) I’ll retouch on it in the next video.
The circuit boards are cool too!
@ Thanks man!
I've definitely gotta look into that Grimburg.
That thing is a BEAST! Grimburg is going to be in the chat.. If you have any questions, they will respond ;)
It's a great launcher with awesome customer service.
@@Joreel Yeah, Kurt is a hell of a guy too!
I just bought two, one for myself and one for my girl, after watching the hard2hurt channel where the host took a shot from it at 30 feet. Out of all the launchers I know of, the Grimburg Gavle is the only one I judge to be effective enough to trust with my daughter's safety. Not that the Byrna LE, for example, isn't a good LTL weapon. But I have seen people take shots from them and not be stopped for certain. I want me girl to both feel safe and actually be safe.
@@Joreel Thx 👍
Another great video. A couple of regulars have been using Grimberg ammo in the S2 with great results. It’s as if bore matched. I believe it was East Coast Less Lethal, and Less Lethal For Dummies. These tests have me rethinking on a Gavel for the collection.
Yep! I don’t think you could go wrong :)
Great video Jon. Let’s be careful out there.
Thanks man!
Loved the vid and how you explain everything...very cool..I am learning...
Thank you so much Brother! some people say that I can be a little long-winded, but my goal is always to give every bit of information that you could possibly need before you spend your hard earned money on something.
@@AlternateArmsSD oh man! I need all the info I can get...so preach on, and my heart is set on the Byrna thanks to you...
@@pmaddox thanks brother, I have a lot of cool things coming this year :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD if you're a seller can I purchase one from you?
@@pmaddox You can man. Www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com
Cool video. Thanks. I was wondering how these stacked up against each other
My pleasure man!
Another good one I tried a 50 stainless steel ball hurt the cinderblock
I would personally like to thank everyone in the comments who are “thinking”about purchasing a Gavel, I just ordered my 3rd one last week on the 17th, please take “all” the time in the world to order yours so mine will come faster.
@@LESSLETHALMANE Heh that’s great man! Yeah, they are something else!
how long did it take to come in
@@veganmalik I’m sorry I’m just now seeing your comment, I ordered mine on July 17th and did not recieve it until August 24th I believe it would have been longer but I called left a message and got it about a week later.
@@LESSLETHALMANE wow a month! thank you for your time!
Just ordered my OD Green Gavle three days ago. Anxiously waiting.....
another great video Jon. of the three Byrnas that I do have the one that goes outside is loaded with pepper rounds.I could not get them for a while but MCS allowed me to buy some PAVA rounds. the Byrnas that stay indoors of course use the Byrna solid rounds. I have to get two of the LE models now.
Nice man! Why couldn’t you get the pava rounds?
The Grimburg Gavil is a total beast and it's at least twice as loud as the Byrna LE. I'm thinking about purchasing the Grimburg FAR projectiles. Can you test the FAR projectiles?
Thanks,
Wayne
Hey Wayne, as it turns out, they are actually here in the chat. I will ask them about it, but if you would like to see them on my channel, let them know also :-)
@AlternateArmsSD Hi John.
I asked Grimburg about the FAR projectiles in the Gavil and they explained the Gavil can only use round projectiles. The FAR ammo are designed for the FSC with the Paradigm barrel or the FSC. I'm glad you told me to inquire about the FAR because, I was about to order some.
Thank you sir...
@@CincinnatiKid22 Good deal man! You know, I’d love to put a few of those through the overwatch. :)
Taking one for the team!.... OHH YEAH! ...Skull-y, Skull-y, Skull-y!
Poor skully ;)
I have been thinking about getting a Grimburg. Thanks for the comparison.
My pleasure man. Yeah, those things are canons!
You won't regret getting a Gavle 👀
Just wondering if I put a longer Barrel On My
LE byrna if I would get more power. Thanks..
@@timmcculloch2608 you would. Anytime you extend the barrel, you keep the pressure behind the round for longer. However, you sacrifice the ability to carry and conceal.
@AlternateArmsSD do you know where I can purchase a longer Barrel?
Also thank you for replying
@ MCS would be a great start. Those guys always have those strange add-ons :-) at some point in the future I’d like to carry them myself.
Good day Jon. Nice testing as usual. Since you gave news on the PDP'S I was wondering if you have heard anything more on the HDX 68 high-powered version coming to the states? I'm hearing the release has been moved further away again close to Christmas time with a significant price increase. I appreciate any information concerning this and thank you again for your testing.
Hey brother, funny you should ask :-) I had a conference call with Umarex last week and I was told that the new 40 J HDX should be out by August. Stay tuned on that one :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for such a quick response.
@@kurt9994If you don't want to wait, there are a few places that already sell the 40 Joule HDX if you do a search for them. I bought one a while back and it's a beast of a launcher at 40-50 Joules (depending on the temperatures apparently). I wish I could have had the company send it to Jon first as he would have had so much fun blowing Sully into tiny pieces in one shot.
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, I'm seeing $500 now for that HDX high powered version supposedly being released a little before Christmas. If that's true they're pricing themselves out of the market. Thanks for your work in the Less lethal community.
@@kurt9994 I’d agree… but…. Stay tuned :)
Jon, can't wait for your test of the SS2.0 with Grimburg rounds on board. Travel safe.
It’s coming :) I need to talk to Greenberg next week about getting some more JUL rounds in.
Am i the only one who sees massive potential in this market? All this is still flying relatively under the radar. I wish i could invest somehow lol.
I have so many ideas on different options. I would like to see conical rounds. I would like to see PCP options. I would like select fire options. I want the ability to empty the c02 in only 10 shots with each shot 400+ fps (like a high power mode). Maybe even crazier things like combining multiple non lethal methods together (light, sound, pepper spray, taser, kinetic, etc) 😂 . I just think this whole market is going to grow multiple times over.
Oh, it’s only going to grow. A lot of these companies still have investment opportunity in them and probably will until they go public like Byrna.
The taster rounds the issue is weight and cost, Taser tried years back and couldn't get the cost per shell below 80$ retail being 140 for a 12g. They weren't reliable either and the performance wasnt great.
As for pcp... Its something I been screaming about for years, internally regulated pcp air tank mounted to the gun, the issue is refilling them.
One thing I'd REALLY like to see is regulated co2 on a 12g cart which would improve shot consistency no end
Thank you for your demo. Very helpful. Just to be clear using those rounds will not hurt or damage the LE Byrna?
@@Vigilante2u my pleasure, my friend. No, they will absolutely cause no damage whatsoever to the Byrna.
@ thank you. I ended up getting the LE just today. I hope I can find a shooting range to practice. I live in the city but feels and has great size like a real handgun I used to own that my rights were taken away unfairly.
@ I understand my friend, you’re going to love it. Let me know after you’ve gotten a few shots of what you think :-)
@ thank you. I wanted to ask what other .68 c will fit this gun also? I have seen dukes around and much cheaper. Thanks
@ Oh, there are quite a few that will work. Personally, I prefer the Pavashot rounds.
Great video, like always! Off topic, I came across a Launcher called the Sicariis .50cal. Almost looks like a Tiberius 8.1 that went on a diet. Hope you will do a review when they reach out. I also think your channel is one of the best ones out there. Im also pro Less Lethal.
Thanks man! I have contacted sicarii mistime times about getting one on for the show and *crickets* :) I’ll keep pushing :)
So I got a ahaha moment for ya... Leave the CO2 out of the byrna tip it upside down and drop a round into the mag well... You will realize when you pull the trigger the round falls into place and is loaded into the chamber.. now my question (it's not in my budget as I try to save as much of my stock for when necessary) can you fill the mag well up and repeatedly fire and empty the 10+ rounds that fills the mag well without a jam and could this be a better way for when you got multiple threats
Hehe Yeah, they will all do that. The only thing that holds the round in place is the detent which is either in the launcher or in the magazine depending on the model you choose.
Great video. I heard Grimburg has a new set of seals that can handle the CO2 being charged past the five-minute time limit to avoid ruining the older-style seals. That is a nice development. I was concerned about that so I never loaded mine back to back when plinking. One load up, bleed the unused CO2 out and put it away. Now a person can keep the system charged with the CO2 cylinder snug instead of rattling around when walking with one on my belt. I am curious how long a marker can sit charged up with these new seals without damaging the marker.
That sounds like an interesting test for the future............................ hmmm :)
Both launchers I was looking for information on. Thank you
My pleasure man!
Hi so you can use the Grimburg rounds in the Bryna? Also will pepper rounds burst if you hit a person with a coat, there not hitting anything hard??
@@bertfisk1194 Yeah sure can! Yes they will. It’s all about mass vs velocity.
Hi John do you sell the grimburg gavle ? thanks in advanced 👍
Not yet, but I’m working on it :)
What is your preference out of these for EDC? Thank you!
I edc the Byrna, I have one gavel at my house and one in my car. The TRP I havent quite fit into my routine yet but I will ;)
Can u ballistic test 3gram impact rounds vs the 8gram rounds? Thanks for your videos.
I can indeed!
can you di pressurize byrna like s2 salt supply
Nope, you have to fire it dry or unscrew the cap.
Great video 📹 👍 u gotta refresh your target area & skully, its hard to tell the new holes from your old ones
Yeah, I have four fresh skullys printing right now :-)
I know you can’t store the Grimberg Gavel with the CO2 pierced (not many launchers will let you store them pierced), but can you store it with the projectiles already loaded or will that compromise the spring? Been looking online and can’t find any answers and figured you’d know Jon. Thanks in advance 👍🏾🤙🏾
Hey Brother! You can leave the rounds loaded. I leave the C02 canister ALMOST pierced so it’s ready. For quick use :)
What causes spring degradation is repeated cycles, leaving one loaded will be fine absent being greased heavily.
I have the TCP but man that Grimburg Gavel is definitely on my list
It’s a beast man. I was actually caught a bit off guard when I fired it the first time.
Hi all. This was maybe discussed on previous occasions. I have a new TR-50 and TP-50 and every now and then when I hit the punch button all the air releases from the punch button hole. Am I just not doing it right, hitting it too soft, too hard etc?
@@jacqueslood when you strike the striker cap, does it turn and lock into position? Is it a gen 2 or gen 1 valve? When did you buy them?
@@AlternateArmsSD Both are Gen 2's, TP I got about 2 weeks ago and the TR about a month ago. The do twist. So I was wondering if I'm hitting it to hard and too long and then stopping it from turning?
@ you should only have to twist it until it stops. You should never have to use the Allen key if it was included. Tell me this, does that have the quick release pressure valve on the bottom or is it one that you screw in and it has an Allen key hole on the bottom?
@@AlternateArmsSD not sure if it can take an allen key fitting inside, there is a hole inside the red circle that shows "Push" I only tighten by hand. Did not get Allen keys with them.
Am I supposed to twist it as I punch it or is it supposed to twist by itself?
@ I’ll tell you what, email me a picture of the actual cap itself. Then I’ll be able to isolate the issue and give you the solution.
Hey Jon, a question: Will the Byrna SD feed and run the Grimburg Juuls? They look amazing and I would be curious if it works on the SD and SDXL.
Thanks again!
Yes they do and QUITE well. I am going to revisit that shortly.
I just added the TRP to my collection. I just ordered it!
Nice!!
@AlternateArmsSD nice for me, bad for my wallet.
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 My friend, do I ever understand that :-) one of these days I’ll show you my private collection :-)
@AlternateArmsSD lmao! I can only imagine. 3 Markers in 3 wks! I need to stop watching all these addictive videos. I think I know what it feels like to be addicted to illicit drugs!
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 ROFL!! If it makes you feel any better, I talked to a couple manufacturers and it looks like we’re getting four more launchers next year :-)
Just a little twist on the back of that trp will put it on par with the gavel
I have a whole new video planned for the maxed out trp :)
Did you use the grimburg balls in the byrna? I skipped through some of the talking so I may have missed that but I digress I’d be curious to see what byrna rounds do in the byrna launcher at 40 feet. Even though they’re the same caliber my initial thought seeing how inaccurate the byrna was compared to the rest was those balls aren’t designed for the byrna.
The Byrna benefits GREATLY from the Grimburg Jule rounds. They are over twice as heavy as the Byrna rounds (8.1G VS 3.1) and pack a heck of a punch.
@@AlternateArmsSD correct however I’d be hesitant to use it because it looks like it could do fatal damage to somebody. I’ve seen these rounds break cinderblock/concrete like structure (granted that test was with the Grimburg not a byrna) so I wonder what type of impact it would have against the human skull.
@@Grayman2911 I am going to get a few ballistic dummies for future shows for just that purpose. (They are rather pricey so Im working with a company now) If you were point blank, it could be bad. However, from a distance, they wouldnt be lethal. Still, I would NOT want to be on the receiving end.
@@Grayman2911to be lethal you are talking sub 1ft and a temple hit based on the data iv seen it basically requires muzzle contact at 30j
You're talking 60 to 80j to be lethal at the temple at 2ft and even that's rare.
The Russian wasp at 40 60 and 90j has given a lot of test data.
Love your videos. I have the Salt Supply Pistol. Can I increase the Joules with a longer barrel or would it decrease the speed and accuracy?
Thank you so much, absolutely. A longer barrel will always increase accuracy, power, and range because it gives the round more time to travel. However, keep in mind then when you’re using a round ball, these are essentially modern day muskets :-) if there’s no rifling in the barrel or no twist to the round, it’s all about velocity.
@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for info. I was considering buying a 14" Tippman Barrel. Or is this a bad idea?
@@plangullible6487 Little tough to conceal but it should new brutal :)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks again for the info. I guess it would look like the Joker's Gun from the 1989 Batman Movie 😂😂. Have a great weekend..
I have a question about my Byrna LE. I have had a loaded magazine in the launcher for several months now, and just out of curiosity I removed it and took out ammunition. One of the maximum pepper balls was cracked. This was very disappointing, after all, I don’t wanna wait till I’m in an altercation before I load the launcher. What is your take on keeping magazines loaded over a long period of time?
One question, did you have it hot loaded? If so, that means you had a considerable amount of pressure against the round just below the one in the breach. I’m assuming that was a pepper around. Also, there are many different qualities of pepper rounds. Some of the best actually seal the ball at the seam using an adhesive as opposed to just pressure. That’ll eliminates a lot of that problem as well.
@@AlternateArmsSD I’m not sure what you mean by hot loaded, but nevertheless, the max pepper round was third from the top in the magazine.
@@Manticore2024hot loaded is full mag and one in the chamber.
The problem with pepper balls is their a 2 piece design and there's always going to be issues with seam failure under pressure.
You need to check them once every 3 weeks or so. They aren't leave loaded forever rounds.
how long the co2 hold inside paint ball marker gas chamber once pierced from s2 launcher
@@jojomercado-j5l I’ve left one charged for up to a week without a problem. However, the point of the quick Pierce is to have a fresh cartridge when you need it at the moment you need it. So, if you use one to practice, go ahead and run the entire CO2 out and put in a fresh cartridge.
NICE WO 18:56 RK JON, Keep up the good work .DON'T CHANGE YOUR FORMAT...
Thanks man!! I won’t :)
were the shots you fired pepper rounds especially the crystals?
No, those white rounds are glass breakers. I do have videos using test pepper rounds though and they work quite well :-)
I ordered a Grimburg Gavle 3 weeks ago and it's Still in processing.
Kurt, from Grimburg, is watching this chat arc.. Lets ask him :)
@@AlternateArmsSD They're apparently waiting on parts or something like that.
@@Pendragon501 That would make sense to me. These things are all American made and I can tell you that other American made manufacturers that you've seen on this show are also having supply issues to some extent.
i was looking for this comment. did you eventually receive yours?
@@veganmalik It took a month and a half to arrive, and here's the real kicker... It didn't even work! It was defective right from the first trigger pull. It wouldn't fire. Then it eventually fired... and then kept shooting on its own emptying all projectiles and kept shooting until it ran out of CO2! According to them, they apparently have a problem with the bolts. So yeah, you'll end up paying $30-$40+ in shipping (because they force you to pay for shipping insurance) and then they don't even pay for the return shipping when They send you a defective product (because they clearly don't test them when before they ship them out, as some else I know ordered theirs the same day and have the exact same problem). You've been forewarned.
Love this channel
Thank you so much!
Do you think the hdp50 with the valve block removed is more powerful than all these guns?
Not really. There are major differences between the launchers and the caliber is the primary difference. Also, each of these is capable of putting out MUCH more power than the HDP50 (Particularly the gavle). That being said, there is a cost difference. These are much more than the HDP50.
Idk I put a steel rubber ball through a betty crocker pan from like 20 feet away
@@123catz Oh, I know. I have done a ton of tests with the HDP50 and I love them. However, it’s a matter of mass and speed. You can’t go wrong with either one.
@AlternateArmsSD I want to do more tests it's just too loud for my location lmao 😆
@@123catz ooohhh yeah… they are loud :)
Do you know if the Grimburg Gavel no executioner or jury , can pop out shaped rounds ? Because using my round aluminum makes it bounce alot unless it's weak material but if I can used a sharp tip round or any shape round that go forward I bet it can pierce a type of metal... So for short too long don't read ...
CAN THESE FIRE SHAPED ROUNDS?
Alas, not yet. However, the JUL rounds are brutal!
@@AlternateArmsSD more brutal than aluminium 7g-8g?
Testing a gun in a vice grip is to check repeatability of the gun/projectiles. If a gun doesn't fire in the exact same spot when hard mounted, then you can expect to never have repeatable accuracy when firing normally. The vise grip test is very obviously not for real world situations.
@@mboyer68 Agreed. I try to test everything on my channel in real world situations. In fact, I have a couple of interesting scenarios. I’m going to try in the beginning of the year that I think you’ll probably get a kick out of.
Just watched a video yesterday where the Gavle was shot at a human several times with the pepper and also the regular rounds....brutal! It's on Houston Jones' channel if interested.....
@@MultiDonna yeah, I know Houston Jones very well. He’s not exactly the average human though :-) he makes a living out of getting shot with different objects all the time. And if it affected him like that, you can imagine what it would do to a standard person :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD So true!! Not to mention if it hit you in the head and not the leg.....
Can you try a byrna kinetic round in the gavel. I want to know just to see if it would work for training purposes.
I will indeed! Say tuned!
Can you make the grimberg more powerful like you did with i believe the one on the very right?
There are some upgrades available from Grimburg but it’s a beast out of the box!
Any chance the byrna Le can be dismantled for international shipping?
Yes, However, I have not disassembled one on the channel YET and they can be a tad annoying to reassemble.
Does anyone know if you can use ammo not made by grimburg I live in the UK and can't buy the original ammo thanx
Officially, no. Realistically, absolutely. There are tons of ammo it can fire.
@@AlternateArmsSD thank you for your reply ,that's good news
The one Iv been waiting for
Boom boom :)
Love Your Show
@@ArlesNapier Thank you so much!
I assume they would also work okay in the Byrna SD as well, yes?
Yes they would! In fact, where is from Grimburg that they were actually able to get an extra joule or two out of the byrna by using those JUL rounds.
@@AlternateArmsSD- I'll buy some from you when you get them.
@@elliottlang9100 I’m going to talk to them this week. Stay tuned :)
Hello I have a dumb question could a non blow back be turned into a blow back I have two scorpions and a xde bb and nigh stalker BB all c02 I love the blow back I also wonder if I am the first to ask 😂 have a great day
Greets! Alas no. There is an entire mechanism designed to "reset" the hammer between shots.
@@AlternateArmsSD didn't think it was possible
@john: can you keep the grimburg loaded much like my beloved Hdr50?
Greetings! Loaded, yes. C02 charged, no. You don't want to leave them pressurized for extended periods of time.
You, sir, are my hero
@@erwinvillalva4214 Thanks Brother!
Can the grimburg be modified and can you send email catalog of your products with prices.Your videos are extremely informative and entertaining.Thank you.
Actually, the Grimmer does have a few modifications that can be done to the launcher. Grimberg is actually monitoring this chat so they will probably jump in here as well. I don’t currently carry the Grimburg products on my website, but give me time :-) they are definitely somebody I would love to add to the alternate arms less than lethal family :-)
It would be great if u could chronograph those 3 models.
I’ll see what I can do!
@@AlternateArmsSD thanks for the reply. One more question plz. Which less lethal launcher do u prefer most?
@ my pleasure, man, sorry it took so long to get back with you. I’ve been trying to catch up in the end of the year is being a little bit unrelenting :-)
Do you answer your question, though? It really depends on the situation. I personally use several different launchers and several different situations in several different places depending on my needs. In my car, I carry the gravel and one Byrna LE. However, I will probably be carrying one of the new pistelle .68 shortly. I have an assortment of less than lethal rifles at my house as well as several other products.
7.8 to 8.03 g is about it. The new FAR rounds are a little bit heavier.
They are BRUTAL rounds. I’d actually like to use them as our exclusive kinetic rounds for all future testing. How would you guys feel about that?
@@AlternateArmsSDAbsolutely!
@@grimburglesslethal Lets get together on it. You folks deserve a permanent spot on the channel for sure.
Have you tried a hoodie material in front of your skull I’ve?
Hmm To test rupturing on clothing?
wish umerex would make the pdp more powerful, besides spring...
news on umerx peper with ball inside to guarantee breakage.
Yep, those new rounds are supposed to be available next month. Stay tuned :)
I saw your video that you did a few months ago and immediately bought the GRIMBURG! 5 shots with along with that noise & whoever just broke in the house is now trying to breaking out! HIM & HIS HOMIES! Tell purple skully 💀 to go to the ER!
Awesome man!! Yeah that thing is a canon!
how long did it take to arrive
@@veganmalik hey brother, I can tell you that they hand make every single one of these. Typically, and they will be in the chat to answer the question, but they’re shipping time is usually between one and three weeks. If it’s been beyond that, shoot me an email and I’ll see if I can help you out. I talk to them quite a bit :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD You're that guy! Thank you very much!
@@veganmalik My pleasure man!
Jon, I sent my Gavle in for an examination. The trigger is super stiff and unusable for me. I got it back, and nothing has changed!
Not sure what to do now? Was thinking of sending it to you for an autopsy. Also, did you notice Grimburg has a new O-ring upgrade
for the Gavle so that you can leave it pressurized much longer than the list 5 minute limit. Anyway, very disappointed.
Hey Brother, I know they are monitoring this chat. Let’s get Kurt involved.
Hi! The trigger pull is 4 lbs. That's typical on a carry gun, for safety. We test every launcher that goes out and is returned to us. If it still seems difficult, could you ask someone else to try it and see what they think? Have you shot any firearms?
Hey man, tell you what, shoot me an email and I’ll have you send it to me and I’ll compare it side-by-side with the one I have. They are right on the trigger pull. I have seen extremely wild variations between trigger poles. Watcher you think would be very light like the Glock 17 or some of the heavier polls, whereas launchers like the TRP which seem like they would be heavy or almost like a feather. However, until I see the one you have, I can’t really give you an educated guess :-)
@@grimburglesslethal Yes I own several firearms and even two cannons for reenacting! I also own the Salt Supply S2, Byrna LE, Umarex HDR .68, .50 and HDP .50.
All easy to fire. Actually, when I first got Gavle the trigger was working better and my friend shot it and
my others. He did not like the Gavle at all. Only the LE and S2. Anyway, how bout I send it back one more time
for a closer inspection? Will include the Co2 I was using.
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, Sounds good. Lets see what Kurt has to say.
Kenny,
Hi John, my name is Alvin, I just subscribed to your channel. I just saw your video's last night on the Byrna LE. I'm new to this types of items. I want a lot of power, and I will only use metal balls or rubber balls for ammunition.
With this information from me, could you please help me with a selection. Thanks John. 😇
Greets Alvin! Absolutely. Take a look at either the Byrna LE, salt supply, S2, Grimburg gavle, or the new pistelle 68.. for your first time launcher though, keep it simple. The byrna is by far the easiest of all of them to operate. I have videos on all of them.
Thanks, John, for your help, God bless you and your family on this Thanksgiving day. 🙏🏽
@@Alvin-bmw645ci My pleasure! Have a great Thanksgiving!
@AlternateArmsSD Hay John, I only want to use the Aluminum balls in the LE. I saw a video and the guy stated that if you use Aluminum balls a lot you will damage the barrel. Is that true?
@Alvin-bmw645ci Well, it can but generally no. Run the grimburg JUL rounds. You will NOT regret it.
Have you seen the streetwise heat launcher …
Not only have I seen it, I’ve been directly in touch with their sales Director. Apparently, they don’t feel that my channel warrants having one sent for review. However, if you want to see exactly what it is, look at my video on the guard dog fireball. They are absolutely 100% identical.
They suck ,I love ur Channel thank you. I’ll check the video out
@@JohnMatthews-rz6vr Thanks man!
I would say the Gavle is verging on potentially lethal
It’s very possible.
Need to get a modded hdr68 and throw it in the mix.
Oh, it’s coming :)
Another great video
#watchedtilltheend
Thanks man!
my cousin and I tested the byrna HD which they dont make anymore. he shot me from 20 feet away , both center mass. first was the kinetic round directly in the middle of my chest and it hurt like Hell but I was able to keep coming. then we used the pepper ball round from same distance. both hurt like Hell. the pepper ball round didnt affect me at first but a few seconds later I was in tears. can you take a couple of the kinetic rounds and keep coming?definitely, but the HD only uses 8gram CO2 and it if it was using 12gram and rapidly fired at the head I wouldn't not be able to take that and few people could. it would easily shatter bones in the face. So Yeah, I can tell you from direct experience they work and work well for close range self defence, especially for the home. A gun just isnt necessary for home protection. even if a home invader had a gun , with the element of suprise and a couple of quick shots using a good load of first pepper, then all out kinetic with a 12gram cartridge you would be able to disable the attacker. there is way to much liability with guns. And g am a CWP holder who totally advocates pepper ball over firearms for self defence. however in an SHTF situation....Im grabbing my AR. But we arent there yet, so save yourself the drama of firearms and carry less lethal.
Most folks also tend to dismiss the fact that, if I were using it in a self-defense situation, Im not firing one or two rounds... Im dumping the mag on target ;)
Never fire all your rounds at once! Dude might have a friend behind you or something. Load the chamber with Pepper ball for him, Pepperball for his friend, If he's still coming next round is Aluminum, still coming? next Steel round to the forehead. Next you just beat him or run or he's gonna get you. They'll wish they had never met you.
Greets! I alternate my rounds in my edc launchers. First round out is kinetic, then pepper.
Tell me why the heck are less lethal guns more expensive than real pistols ?
@@h-townautomotivetraining8219 primarily because it’s a relatively new market. I suspect that as sales increase and volume increases prices will decrease overtime. Also, they are pretty complex internally. Some more than others for sure. That being said, there are some versions that are very powerful, but very inexpensive.
Why not just use tape, and mark off the floor, so you will always know how many feet back you are without walking it off each time? Just saying, 🙂
I actually have another plan. However, if this goes wrong, I could put a pepper around or a kinetic round directly through a $700 camera :-) let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
I've seen people like godzilla that push through even the byrna max rounds so there's quite a few godzillas (determined) people out there but at that point it's not a self defense scenario more than likely...you hope....get used to head shots and mag dumping haha EDIT: I paused a few seconds to early lol because soon as I hit play he described that very thing.
ROFL You'd be amazed how often someone brings up folks on drugs. I had a person argue that he'd seen a person take an entire mag of 9mm rounds so what could an LTL launcher do........ Let that sink in .. Well, DUH .. ;) The truth is that 99.9% of self defense encounters dont call for a lethal response and even less would be "godzillas". As far as mag dumping.. A B S O L U T E L Y .. If you have to pull it and use it.. DUMP it. :) Thanks for watching man!
I don't think this is a fair fight because all these launchers in my opinion can be used for different situations the other two you will have to activate the other one you can use straight out of the holster
@@Urbanlesslethal That’s very true. The point of my head head videos is not to determine which one is better per se, it is to show you the differences in real time situations. You are 100% correct though, each one would have their own specific purpose. Another thing, I’ve learned that you can train your muscle memory to charge these very efficiently if you practice with the launcher quite a bit. I’ve got the Grinberg down to less than a half a second from draw. The burner on the other hand, you have to muscle train yourself to charge it on safe so that your first round will go down range at full velocity. As far as the ball, there are so many different strike to puncture launcher out there that it is actually quite easy to quickly puncture during your draw and get on target immediately. Thank you so much for watching!
A Chrono would have been very informative.
@@sonadorazul3074 Greetings! I have individual tests on each with readings. Thanks!
I was wondering if they would take a teenage punk down..at 20 or less feet ?
At less than 20 feet most of these will cause some serious damage. Also, keep in mind that you need to use a high-quality pepper ball in your self-defense scenario. I typically alternate my rounds.
CAN ANYONE BUY THE PEPPER trp 50 CAL, OR IS IT FOR POLICE ONLY. IAM 72 YRS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING SOMETHING.idon't need a 350 psi, i think this would do me good.I don't need a long range. I went to there web sight and it talked about being a cop.
Im working on carrying them in my shop.
Gotta hope for an eye shot.
@@Samlol23_drrich Not with these you don’t. :)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for the great video.
Getting hit with a kinetic round is no joking matter, either.
Agreed!!!
Nope... They hurt like hell. I know from personal experience 🤣
@@Joreel Yeah, Ive taken a hit from an HDP 50 and a Byrna EP... but I have NO desire to take a hit from any of these ESPECIALLY the grimburg!
Grimburg jewels
The Jule rounds are brutal!
Jeff Mcay gonna test the bad boys. Bet better than Umerex pepper.
Hehe Jeff and I talk quite a bit. It’s not something he’s looking forward too :)
@@AlternateArmsSD I can't say I blame him. We got a sauce where I cook called nuke sauce. I choke just from rinsing the sauce. I hate to think how bad the powdered stuff would be.
@@travisnelson8230 yeah, and the finder the powder, the more effectively it’s dispersed. It doesn’t take much to really mess somebody up :-)
Houston Jones Took multiple shots bare skin from the Gavle recently on camera
@@kjayclowers12 there are several problems with that statement. First, he’s a comedian and a trained athlete to a specifically trying to take shots like this. 99.9999999% of the people you’re going to meet or not and are not. also, keep in mind that he took specifically located shots in a very slow and timed manner. If you’re in a self-defense situation, you unloaded center mass as quickly as possible.
Byrna all the way. The others are goofy and a pain to charge.
Byrna is the big dog on the LTL block for sure :)
I agree particularly with the Gavle. The power is always very impressive but if they even had a strike to charge system I think it’d be better
@@protocolsev Give them time :)
Just wait til the Solstice is finally released sometime in 2025 😎
@@Joreel Oh, my eyes are on it. I’m hoping shotshow will reveal a bit :)
You conservative men thinking nothing of adding more and more CO2 into the atmosphere for sport or hobby.
HOW DARE YOU.
LOL !!!!! Just kidding:)
@@mboyer68 ROFL!!!! I just spit tea across my desk.. thanks! :)
damn, over $500!!! sheesh
Yeah, these are the "big boys" in the LTL market. With more production we should see pricing coming down.
if someone shot me with that I would laugh and put a 10mm straight in their face!
btw your cute pepper rounds dont really hurt. my friends and I used to chase each other on dirt bikes and shoot each other with them. it didnt hurt and we were like 12
Nice try "Tough Guy" but they are not what you think. I suppose that police departments, militaries, and private security companies all over the planet got it wrong but you have the inside scoop huh :) If someone shot you with a Gavle within 20 feet, the only thing you're doing is crying for mommy and praying the next round doesn't come your way :) Add in the pepper rounds.. Oh, did I mention prisons use it as well, and your weeping, coughing, and puking while your buddies ride by on their Schwinn's laughing at you. Thanks for watching!
Ok tough guy😂
@@Blackandwhitecat-u9v Heh :) There are always a few .
@@Blackandwhitecat-u9v I really dont want to sound like that. I just want people to get proper self protection.
@@Blackandwhitecat-u9v Not about being tough its about being prepared when your life is on the line.
There is a video of a guy getting shot by those rounds he goes down immediately at 60 yards
Yeah, they are definitely no joke. It’s funny, the people who typically try to talk. A lot of smack about these are people that have never taken a direct hit.
Do you get all your self defense toys from the mailing system? I just don't believe in fronting my money out. Trust issues...
Greetings, most of the ones that I test on the channel come from different manufacturers or companies that want to have them highlighted and shown to people. However, I ordered quite a few on my own to bring to you guys as well. In fact, that’s the entire goal of this channel. I want to show you guys exactly what you will get when you buy one of these before you shell out your hard-earned money. That being said, I’ve never had an issue with him coming through the mailing system, per se. I certainly do understand trust issues though :-)
@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for your info. I'm new at this channel, so im wondering if you have done the Huben GK1? It says it kicks a 45 j.
@@RichardTijerina-p4w i’ve actually sent them quite a few emails and I haven’t gotten a response yet. I’ll stay on top of it though.