The lack of interaction between the characters, make you feel like you want more interaction... so this great movie let your imagination fill the blanks...
There's an actual deleted scene from "Alien" (1979) in which Ripley asks Lambert (the only other female crew member), if Lambert has ever had sex with Ash. Lambert anwers that Ash "never seemed interested". At that point they don't know Ash is an android, but Ripley likely asks as she suspects exactly that. This conversation is actually included in the comic book of the film. I'm glad they kept free space sex out of the movie though. It would have seemed forced and cold; especially considering that most of the crew seem to have a slight dislike for each other. They are co-workers, nothing more.
In the movie novelization, there's some not-so-subtle hints that Parker and Brett are both attracted to Lambert. It's said that they "dream" about her while in hypersleep, and Parker sacrifices himself more directly attempting to save Lambert than the movie shows.
Agree. They're stuck there together and just trying to get through the mission. You can almost hear them daydreaming about their holidays and getting off the ship and away from their co-workers. Rather like my own job.
@@SFforlife Hi SFforLife. Well, you got "something" there. In film no. 2, "Aliens", the Weyland-Yutani company files for the late crew of the "Nostromo" is shown on a screen in the background (behind Ellen Ripley) in the board hearing scene, where Ripley losses her flight license. It is near impossible to make out in the original film, but with picture enhancement, you can see that Joan Lambert's original sex was male, but that it was changed at or before her birth. So Lambert's sex is "female (not natural)" . I guess her parents REALLY wanted a girl. So is Lambert transgender? Well, that depends entirely on how you want to interpret that odd piece of background information from "Aliens" (which they hardly could expect anyone to notice (or even see) when the film was released!) Is genetic manipulation possible in this SF future - to a degree that they can actually change a person's gender pre-birth?! If so, Lambert is really 100% female. In any event, her official name is "Joan", and she is clearly considered female by the "Nostromo" crew, although she comes off as a bit of a surly "Tomboy" in the beginning- Buit when the monster killing machine , she is the first to freak out and panic. I'd say Lambert IS a woman. We were not meant to read her file on the screen in "Aliens".
_Alien_ is one of those perfect blends of story, cast and director that results in a timeless movie that still stands today as one of the greatest movies ever made. I've seen it dozens of times over the years and it never fails to entertain. The sequel _Aliens_ is also very good, though it is a very different kind of movie. Where the first one is more ambiance, suspense and terror (and a strange "lived in" realism rarely seen in Sci-Fi), the second one is more of a straight action movie. I love them both but appreciate them for different reasons. None of the other ones did anything for me.
I agree with you 100%. The sexual suggestion scene in Prometheus is so out of place and so distracting that it weakens that inferior film further. What is so great about the original Alien movie, a real masterpiece of sci-fi cinema, is its minimalism. A sex scene, even its suggestion, would have subtracted from the atmosphere of dread that it so expertly crafted in the first place, and also take away from its focus as well as from the character of Ripley.
dalitis dalitis I did think the scene in Prometheus that suggests it was pointless, but it wasn't that distracting. If anything I got a laugh out of it when he starts singing before it cuts away. As for the original Alien, I agree it really wouldn't fit the tone. Only way it could work in a movie like that is if the individuals involved are completely unaware of what's going on.
@@TheNoodlyAppendage I think Parker had a thing for Lambert (I'd rather eat something else, but right now food with do [followed by grinning, "grossed out" Lambert face, as Parker eyeballs her with a smile]). Brett didn't have a clue and was just laid back, and Kane was in it to explore and be in space. But yeah, Ash was most likely interfacing with Mother.
@@TheRealNormanBates Kane would likely be "ace" if considered in space for anything, probably did have a partner at home to return to after the haul though.
TheNoodlyAppendage in the second film aliens, when they’re showing the crew photos in the board room, it shows that lambert is trans, clearly they do except The LGBT lifestyle by calling her by her correct pronouns and not discriminating against her, so who knows?
AFTER the chestburster scene? Call me crazy, but watching one of my close colleagues die in an unimaginably horrific way doesn't really get me in the mood.
Weston Parker I think females are pressured into sex by hormones that demand procreation if there is a threat to existence. In the same vain, the Queen alien lays eggs to ensure the survival of the species.
no sex scene. the original was very well done, it felt real, almost like you're a separate crew member witnessing it. even in space hundreds of years later, everything is dingy, dark, even the attitudes. i also like how we don't get too much info about the alien and what it's up too which further goes into the idea of being there, witnessing events as another crew member. the subtle conversations and reactions to various things serve to expand character. i like it when things don't have to be so on the nose.
Alternate explanation: Ripley was the one who refused to let Dallas and co back inside the ship. He's pissed at her for not obeying orders, she's pissed at him for possibly letting an infection onboard.
There is a subtext that sexual relationships occur on ships like the Nostromo and that sexual dynamics are different. In one scene the crew are sat at the galley dinner table and Parker says something along the lines of "The noodles are the only damn good things about this ship..." and pauses before glancing and grinning at Lambert before saying to her "But I know what I'd prefer to be eating." and Lambert coquettishly laughs and looks away. (and kind of adds colour to the scene where Lambert and Parker die together) In a deleted scene, Ripley is talking to Lambert about her suspicions over Ash and she asks Lambert "Have you slept with him?" to which Lambert replies "No...he just doesn't seem interested." - it implies that Lambert has possibly tried & possibly so has Ripley. And there is that 'have they/haven't they?' air about Dallas & Ripley.
though it would have added more tension when Dallas goes into the air ducts, and his death would have been a far bigger emotional blow to the audience, who would be invested in the couple.
There was definitely something going on between Kane and Lambert. I don't think Veronica Cartwright gets enough credit for some of the nuances of her performance, but Lambert's body language towards Kane, and her reaction when he volunteers to join the away party really added some depth to the characters.
I like the film the way it turned out. There's no need to throw around sex carelessly. I like how the film gives maybe the feeling that Ripley and Dallas might be close friends, or maybe on the verge of having a more close relationship, but leaving it up to the auidence to think about. What is this horror on board the ship mean to not just the crews survival, but also their friendships or lack thereof towards one another? I like how the film doesn't step on anyone's toes here regarding the relationship of these two very important characters. Those of us who believe in more traditional morals, nor those out there who don't. Hence it is just good entertainment, without pushing an agenda, at least when it comes to those two characters and their relationship.
The scene where Ripley & Dallas arguing struck me as a parallel of 2 arguing parents: Ripley being the cautious, intuitive mom(Mother is irrelevant in this context) and Dallas being the pragmatic, stoic dad. Plus Ripley does have a maternal presence among the crew(atop the fact that she is the 2nd in command of Nostromo) while Dallas's is paternal. I don't think a sex scene would've benefitted this dynamic.
Well according to this video, it wouldn’t have been “carelessly.” It was supposed to be pivotal to why they have such passionate disagreements. I think it was meant to be a plot point - not gratuitous.
I feel like Dallas volunteering to go after the Alien is because he feels responsible for it being on the ship anyway. Ripley was right when she said that Kane shouldn’t be let back on the ship but Dallas insisted. He doesn’t know Ash is evil yet so he feels like had it not been for him, yes Kane probably dies but nobody else does. Plus, it’s obvious he cares for Ripley.
In the novelization of Aliens, while Ripley is getting grilled by the board of inquiry, pictures of the Nostromo's crew are flashed on the screen. When Dallas's picture comes up, Ripley see him and thinks "Friend Dallas. Lover Dallas. Dead Dallas". FYI.
Aliens Director's Cut, Ripley was crushed when she was informed that her young daughter grew old and died while she floated in space for 57 years. That might also be why she later so connected with Newt. There might've been some initial sexual tension between her and Dallas but Ripley might've had other motivations to kill the Alien and get home.
I feel like if they'd left that scene in, they'd have undermined the relatability of the situation. Even if that kind of interaction will be common in future interstellar cargo ships, it's frowned upon in most work environments on present-day earth. The movie as is, depicts a team of coworkers dealing with a workplace disaster. That's a situation that most audiences can picture themselves in with their own coworkers. If you add a sexual component to the protagonists' professional relationship, you risk making it more difficult for audiences to mentally place themselves in the characters' shoes.
I've always had a feeling that there was something intimate beneath the surface between Dallas and Ripley as the film has subtle hints possibly implying it. But a sex scene wouldn't have furthered the plot in any significant way and the fact that we are left to speculate only adds a bit more mystique to the story. Ultimately, if there was a deeper relationship between the two then it was none of our business and it never really bothered me.
in the novelizations of Alien and Aliens, it is suggested that the two where involved, though Ripley's inner monologue about Dallas where she labels him "Companion Dallas" amongst other things, and from the original, Dallas seems to be mulling over telling her later, when He vetos her volunteering on a dangerous foray through the ventilation shafts
I think it is great that their relationship is shown with some passive dialogue & little hints....such a wonderful script if anybody out there has never read it...super quick read.. Protecting Ripley from the face hugger, protecting her from going into the vent and they way Ripley looks up to him as a commanding officer are very cool hints....
Yes, may be xenomorph likes the cat. But also, i think, Alien can feel, that Jones is just a little animal, and he can't hurt Alien or his eggs(xenomorph did't recognise, that Ripley is already find his little nest and burned Dallas and Brad.
I always assumed it was eyeing up the cat to see if it could be a suitable host but decided it wouldn't so left it alone. If your main purpose is to procreate why waste time killing a cat. That's my moto.
There's also that bit of dialogue when they're all eating after Kane is revived. Parker says: 'I'd rather be eating something else' and eyes Lambert who gets somewhat bashful. Just little touches make that underlying tension great.
jesse randell Bashful? I'm going to rewatch that; she looks disgusted to me. Though Kane's return of: "At least you know what it's made of" definitely implies he's.... been there. Ahem. Or at least been with a woman that way, I suppose, doesn't prove it is Lambert.
@@Arcanagosa I always thought Kane's remark was that the food was made out of recycled human waste... which is why Parker makes the comment "Look man, I don't want to think about what it's made from"
Inconclusive about the sexual relationship, but the scene where Ripley & Dallas arguing struck me as a parallel of 2 arguing parents: Ripley being the cautious, intuitive mom(Mother is irrelevant in this context) and Dallas being the pragmatic, stoic dad. Plus Ripley does have a maternal presence among the crew(atop the fact that she is the 2nd in command of Nostromo) while Dallas's is paternal.
I'm not sure about the film but I'm sure the topic of sex between crew members was discussed in the novelisation by Alan Dean Foster (and it was the latter of the two approaches mentioned in the narration here that was the culture on ship). A personal encounter scene could have worked as one of the central themes of Alien is of rape-horror with the Xenomorph itself representing a sexual predator threatening the crew irrespective of their gender. In the same way the chestburster is (in part) a perversion of human birth so was the killing of Lambert a metaphor of rape, although little is actually shown on screen. Consensual sex between Ripley and Dallas could have been used as a counterpoint to the viscous attacks made by the Xenomorph so I guess it could have worked but the actual presentation was probably more cerebral in the long run? Thanks for another fascinating video :)
Lambert also shows playful disgust at something Brett says when they are eating after they emerge from hypersleep. Sex between the crew is certainly hinted at. As you rightly point out, it sets up the theme of sex/rape/birth etc that gives he film it's hidden dread. I like that it isn't overtly stated.
In the novelization, as Ripley becomes suspicious of Ash she asks Lambert if she'd ever had sex with Ash. It certainly suggests that sex between crew members was casual and common.
I got the impression there was something between them throughout the film, also felt like Dallas was definitely the kind of guy Ripley would go for. I also got the impression it was a very on/off sort of thing. So nice to have those suspicions confirmed, such great filmmaking.
I do think the relationship could have been fleshed out more, but I don't think a full sex scene would have been required. It would have made Dallas' sacrificial decision even more impact-full.
dude your videos are stunning and very tastefully made! im a long time fan, having read the novel in my childhood at least 25 years ago still this was new to me. really like your narration style, thankfully not that fast talking quick facts type of annoying style that is so common nowdays!
It’s interesting. There was definitely some kind of chemistry between Dallas and Ripley which is noticeable even though subtle mainly because Ripley has such a cold relationship with everyone else. Also if you factor in the extended version with Ripley finding cocooned crew and her brief conversation with Dallas in that moment it takes a different context.
Only Finalists and only under specific circumstances. Weaver was a main choice, but Ridley does a lot of testing to make sure someone is perfect for the role. She did the commentary with Ridley Scott, so I'm sure it was all very professional. Now, other productions weren't so professional, unfortunately.
The film is spot on as it is, even comparing the cinematic to the director's cut - everything that wasn't in the cinema release only weakens the film - especially the cocoon scene. One of the ways that Alien works best is that we're never formally introduced to the crew, we don't know anything about them or the dynamic between them... The first time we see them awake, we're literally a fly on the wall observing their sarcastic meal-time / post shower quips across the mess room table - a bit like arriving last at a pub, where everyone already knows each other. It makes the tension, loyalties and betrayals that develop in the film much more interesting - you're there, in the moment, experiencing the situation first hand instead and not knowing what to expect instead of just watching a group of people trudging through scenes recognizably 'in-character', unlike 'Aliens' where every one of the marines had an idiosyncrasy / stereotype spelled out at the beginning. Also, the structure of the film makes the finale all the more powerful and dark - one moment Ripley is care-free, pert and perky in her undies, stretching to flick controls on the shuttle consoles or on the ceiling, the next second her femininity - and the viewers arousal - is shocked back into its shell, as the alien appears... It's a pretty clever trick to tease you into letting your guard down, dig your fingernails out of your clenched palms... and then 'wham!', here we go again.
Wow, I gotta say this theory is absolutely fascinating. It always struck me as odd that the both of them were constantly antagonizing each other. Maybe I'm just trying to see patterns where there are none.... but if it's true, then Ridley Scott deserves his genius moniker. Well, he does regardless!
I remember reading in a Making of Alien book from back in the day, that a "love scene" was part of the Dan O'Bannon original storyline, where 'the lovers' were interrupted by Kane's body floating past the observation dome that they were getting it on, in. It never mentioned who was doing what to who, though.
I'm glad they didn't go that route with Alien, it just wasn't necessary. Sure I somehow had a gut instinct something was going on but never dwelled on it much. You could tell her relationship with him was closer than with anyone else but I assumed it was because of their ranks, that they had to communicate more with each other than anyone. Anyway, nice video, thanks for posting it.
Not much ass or boobs on Sigourney at all. I saw Alien in the theater opening night 1979. When that scene came up someone shouted from the back rows "No Ass".
Haha I was only 2 ( born in November of 77' ) but got to see Aliens in theaters on base when it came out, then my dad went and bought a copy of Alien when it came out on VHS and yeah, she became my crush after that haha
Interesting theory that Dallas decided to go into the vent because of personal feelings he had for Ripley. I always saw his decision to go into the vent as atonement for disregarding quarantine. I realise Ash opened the door, but Dallas repeatedly pressed Ripley to let them in, so his decision not to follow procedure doomed them.
Not necessarily. I saw the deleted scene once, and it was actually Ripley asking Lambert if she ever had sex with Ash, but that's beside the point. I think the context of that particular scene was that Ripley was growing suspicious of Ash, perhaps beginning to suspect that something wasn't right about him... Granted her line of investigative questioning was strange and out of left field to say the least.
Now that I see this video I remember the closeness between the two and they did argue like a married couple. Same can be said for Vasquez and her love interest in Aliens. They were extremely close.
The cast have said there were to be at least some hint of open relationships going on the ship, including Lampbert and Ripley being romantically involved at some point, but were eventually dropped. They all agreed that it would make sense for sex to be a more casual thing in the future, especially on long interstellar missions as theirs.
In the directors cut of Alien, Ridley Scott added some of the cut scenes back in. One of those scenes is Ripley asking Lambert if she had ever slept with Ash!, She said no. So there was free sex between the crew and in the some of the conversations Parker and Bret both make comments about not having access to the women as they are taken. Presumably Ripley with Dallas and Lambert with Cain. If you watch the directors cut and pay closer attention to the crews conversations that had nothing to do with the Alien, you pick up on all this sexual tensions that were there between the crew. Also the whole thing between Cain and Lambert also explains her extremely distraught feelings after his death and her dire concern about him when the face-huger was on him. Come on guys, the proof of all of this is there if you just sit back and watch it carefully and pay attention the conversations and ignore the special effects and listen to them talk with each other. Watch the Directors cut of Alien that was done in 2003. Its all there, but some people just don't or can't tune into this kind of human interactions very well.
I had wondered why Ripley's clothes were so skimpy in the scene, but it added something to the height of the climax ... survive ... it made her seem feral, as if she was an uncaged thing trying to survive against another hostile lifeforms ... raw, uninhibited ... it was a great scene. I think it would be the male gaze now, but it was brilliant.
Ripley had a relationship with Dallas. When the face-hugger disappeared, and Dallas went into room to look for it, Ripley said "Careful," in a worried lover's tone.
I saw an interview that the actor who plays Lambert a long time ago. She said the director wanted her to act over the top hysterical with her emotions a throwback to the 1950's lead female characters and show how much better Ripley was than the rest of the crew.
I like the simpler story: everyone's a bit shitty cause they just want to go home, and everything goes to shit cause the corporate guy puts the crew in danger by bringing an alien onboard. It's perfect. Often sex scenes don't really add any value to the movie, especially for one like this where Ripley surviving the alien and invoking fear in the viewer is the focus of the movie, not the relationship of some crew members which wouldn't even really add much to the story. The old Bond movies got it right - just insinuate it happens but there's no real need to go into detail. After all, we're here for the action right? Movies that can't decide what they want to be simply suck because the whole time you're asking yourself 'is this an action, romance, comedy?' because they fit too many opposing genres. That's why old slashers were so corny, cause they're often romance and horror which is pretty gross when you think about it. Must be a fetish or some shit.
Veronica Cartwright (the actress who plays Lambert) was actually meant to play "Ripley", while the then less known actress Sigourney Weaver was initially cast as "Lambert". Wever's real official name IRL is actually Susan Weaver. Gimme me a thumbs up if you knew that piece of trivia guys!? :) However, they switched that around at the last minute. Much to Cartwright's dismay. Which is understandable, and considering what a huge succes the franchise became, it must be bitter for Cartwright even today. Poor Veronica Cartwright. She is actually also a great actor and if you ask me, she was also kinda "hot" back in the day! :)
From the interactions we got, it seemed to me they'd had a physical but not romantic relationship, that was either over, or on hold. I also felt it likely Parker and Kane had both had some alone time with Lambert. If it was a free sex environment, that would put a whole different spin on Ripley's "If you need me I'll be on the bridge" line, but the emotional energy among the crew doesn't really fit a free-sex environment, more like a rare occasion when boredom was high and two people were in the mood. A sex scene would be a good deleted scene, but the film is just about perfect as is.
I think it would have "complicated" matters.... and the crew really needed to concentrate on priorities..... I am very happy that the story was taken very seriously...in that sense..and Ridley Scott showed respect and professionalism to his Nostromo crew.
That film had a nice cold dead space dread to it which was perfect, its what made it so great the one of the first real survival feel films. It cool the way it is.
Man, I'm not trying to be that guy, but she has so much natural beauty I never noticed as a kid (my crush was Winona Ryder). Its rare for a woman to have no makeup, fight aliens, get greasy/sweaty and STILL look good lol
Pretty cool. Yes Dallas and Ripley were involved in a sexual liaison, and I have always believed that Kane and Lambert were also involved. Parker knew and may have had something with Lambert as well. Parker definitely wanted Ripley and she was having fun with it. But I think Ridley Scott made the right decision by avoiding the subject. It would have clouded the purpose of the storyline.
If i may ask. Where did you find this version of the screen test? The blu ray release cuts off where Ripley says "I done talking." Its a personal curiosity. :P
as i watched Alien, i did get that vibe between them, and i kept expecting the movie to reveal more about their history together, but they never did. very subtle storytelling for the horror genre.
It's likely Scott never had any intention of using the scene. One important yet often overlooked element of the script for Alien, and how it was cast. None of the roles were race or gender specific. It's why they only have nick names or last names. When the actors came in they were reading for any role. Ridley Scott then placed them where they worked best. Ripley was not even confirmed to be female until Sigourney Weaver tested best and got the part. That sounds like a scene that Ridley Scott had, but that it didn't really fit in with this movie. So he filed it away, and then dusted it off with Prometheus.
And it was in the novel as mentioned. This is why I have the same attitude about what Cameron did to Alien that folks have about what Fincher did to Cameron. I was glad Fincher did what he did. The whole 'Ripley's a mother blah blah blah' was a completely different rendering of the Ripley character and didn't fit at all. Just one of many reasons why I have disliked Aliens from the start. And no, there shouldn't have been a sex scene. That part of the relationship had passed but it was why they argued like an old married couple. And you have to go back to an original copy of the novel to find this. Later versions of the story were retconned and edited this out to keep the 180 turnabout of the Ripley character on track. Thank you for making this video. I get so tired of hearing how Fincher screwed over Cameron's vision of Alien when he was guilty of the exact same thing. And it was through Scott's vision of Alien that we have the franchise (for better or worse)...not Cameron's like so many imply in comments around YT. You'd think Cameron invented the franchise.
I think Ripley and Dallas might have had a past relationship. She does butt heads with him and speaks to him on more then a professional manner. He only raises his voice to her in many scenes, also deleted scene wise. That shows a more personal level of interaction. Ripley is ready to abandon ship as the only officer aboard and "go out after them" after learning MUTHUR deciphered part of the SOS. Later, she also has to decide for a moment to let him in or to obey protocol and leave him in the airlock. The thought is seen with the pause and Ripley licks her lips- subconscious romantic reaction. He has a protective nature about him when the facehugger appears. Yes he could do that with anyone, but look at the way she holds onto him. Like she has been waiting for a moment to touch again, even in unusual circumstances. Ripley is not a damsal. She volunteers to go into the vent and Dallas over rules her quickly. Her face at that move is evident that she didn't want him to risk his life. When he's in the air duct and they lose contact, she is very upset calling his name. Then when he 'dies' she is shown to be very upset- unlike any other death. Her reaction to Kane was fear and shock. Her reaction to Brett was fear and a yell of his name. Her reaction to Ash was fuck you. And her reaction to Lambert and Parker was pure fear with the low groan she belted out (perfectly at that!). Dallas's was sadness, eyes closed grimacing. When she finds him later, she cries out loud. You could argue that it was a professional relationship of seniority. But I think there might have been more than that in the past.
True, she didn't get the 'promotion' til "Aliens", then it was basically honorary. Unless, of course, it was an automatic 'field promotion' following the death of the senior officers on the Nostromo.
That is correct. But, Kane being the first one to die, Ripley became second in command. She even remarks that when Dallas and Kane are off the ship she's in charge [protesting Ash's overriding her decision not to let Kane on board with the face-hugger attached to his head.]
Idk. Always figured Dallas and Lambert had a little thing going on. Would definitely explain why she's always glancing his way, obeying his orders without question, and typically harboring a nasty attitude towards Ripley.
I remember years back reading parts of a deleted scene regarding a sex scene that was removed from the final cut; they banged in a clear pod/room giving them full view of space and Kane's body tumbles past them at one point XD
I'm glad it was left out. As someone else said, I felt it was enough to have an intimate in Aliens 3. And we'll get to see this explored in Alien: Covenant.
I read a book called Alien: Out of the Shadows by Tim Lebbon, and it says in the book that Ripley and Dallas were romantically envolved. Great book, btw.
They do the sex scenes early because if they wait to long actors would feel more uncomfortable showing all in front of their co-stars later in production and having to cost more to get stand ins
I've been reading the novelisation of Aliens recently, and it seems to confirm that there was something between them, when the photos of the Nostromo's crew are up during the Weyland-Yutani inquest. "As she spoke to the sombre inquisitors the large videoscreen behind her was printing out mug shots and dossiers. She was glad it was behind her, because the faces were that of the Nostromo's crew. There was Parker, grinning like a goon. And Brett, placid and bored as the camera did its duty. Kane was there too, and Lambert. Ash the traitor, his soulless face enriched with programmed false piety. Dallas... Dallas. Better the picture behind her, like the memories." Nothing's concrete, but it suggests they had something going on.
I can still remember the cheers and catcalls during the underwear scene, the theatre just freaked out and those who didn't struggling to keep composure lmao... awkward as hell for me and my parents looool
Casual sex between crew members was mentioned in the final movie when Ripley asks Lambert if she slept with Ash. "He never seemed interested" she replies. The inference is that casual sex was considered normal practice and Ash's lack of interest therefore unusual. Interesting sexual aside: In Aliens, read the screen when Ripley is being interrogated about the deaths of her crewmembers. The readout on Lambert says she's a male-to-female transgender.
I knew it. There's a scene where Ripley and Dallas are having a tense discussion/disagreement and all of a sudden she whispers and goes soft...almost affectionate toward Dallas.
I thought all the characters were originally written without specifying their gender and they only decided to make Ripley a woman during casting. Am I mistaken?
Nope because Ron Shusset said that they had made the cast unisex meaning, they could choose who was a male or female, but they had never intended for Ripley to be female, it's in the Director's Edition where he talks about that
Also there's a scene in the comic book adaptation of Alien that supports the open sex on the ship hypothesis. It's when they are discussing how strange Ash has been behaving. Lambert says to Ripley something along the lines of "I haven't slept with him, have you?" EDIT: I went back and checked to be sure, the exchange actually went like this - Ripley asks Lambert "Did you ever sleep with Ash?" to which Lambert replies "No, did you?" and Ripley says "No. I never got the impression he was interested." "Neither did I."
it's very standard in horror/slasher films with a sex scene either after or right before another death, but yeah i agree i'm fine that they left it out.
The footage is from a screen test with Sigourney Weaver for Ripley. More elaborate than most screen tests, many sets were constructed to best give an idea of how the film would look and how Weaver would fit as the character.
“Director’s” Cut of the film - Ripley finds Brett and Dallas cocooned in the bowels of the ship. Dallas utters the words “Kill Me!” a couple of times. Ripley gets very upset before she euthanises Dallas. Simply a disturbing scene for her to find or was it because she had to kill the man she had grown to love (whether or not they were physically involved)? Some kind of a relationship would add to the tragedy of her saga. Dallas, Hicks and Clemens all bite it. Exactly why the studio made the right decision to kill off all the other survivors of the Sulaco mission for the third instalment. Survival rate is essentially one person (or fewer) per encounter by the start of each sequel - and the company still think it’s a good idea to try and obtain a specimen.
So your saying "Ripley does Dallas" ?
omg lol
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bravo :)
This comment couldn’t be anymore perfect 👍🏼
the fact that their relationship is vague and left to the eye of the beholder is what makes he material and the film a masterpiece till this day.
The lack of interaction between the characters, make you feel like you want more interaction... so this great movie let your imagination fill the blanks...
So glad it wasn't showed, she's the woman without romantic interests she acts like a survivor
Don’t jinx it because Ridley Scott might want to ruin even more of his movie.
agreed, sometimes less is more
@@PhillDrakeEntertainment Well for Alien maybe, but probably not Aliens or Alien 3!
Ripley boyfriends don’t last too long..
1. Dallas
2. Hicks
3. Clemens
Oh wait.. also whoever Amanda’s dad is also. 😂
Hicks is alive
@Alkhazred1 despite whether you do or don't it's canon so ..... 🤷
@Alkhazred1 I dont recognize alien 3 ....that movie was pure bollocks
@@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt rsrsrs
Weaver was gorgeous, but I don't think it was necessary. I'm glad it was omitted.
agreed
If someone is "gorgeous", then it IS necessary.
Most really good movies don’t have to resort to nudity to keep people interested.
@@porflepopnecker4376 Nope thats just you being creepy and unlikable
Not me 🙂
Her hair is so damn beautiful in the rehearsal scene. Wayyy better than the perm in the final cut. I didn’t realise she had such gorgeous hair.
There's an actual deleted scene from "Alien" (1979) in which Ripley asks Lambert (the only other female crew member), if Lambert has ever had sex with Ash. Lambert anwers that Ash "never seemed interested". At that point they don't know Ash is an android, but Ripley likely asks as she suspects exactly that.
This conversation is actually included in the comic book of the film. I'm glad they kept free space sex out of the movie though. It would have seemed forced and cold; especially considering that most of the crew seem to have a slight dislike for each other. They are co-workers, nothing more.
In the movie novelization, there's some not-so-subtle hints that Parker and Brett are both attracted to Lambert. It's said that they "dream" about her while in hypersleep, and Parker sacrifices himself more directly attempting to save Lambert than the movie shows.
Agree. They're stuck there together and just trying to get through the mission. You can almost hear them daydreaming about their holidays and getting off the ship and away from their co-workers. Rather like my own job.
I feel like the only two who were actually friends and didnt really show aggression to one another what Brett and Parker.
Interestingly, I read somewhere that Lambert was transgender. Can anyone else corroborate? Or am I just nuts?
@@SFforlife Hi SFforLife. Well, you got "something" there. In film no. 2, "Aliens", the Weyland-Yutani company files for the late crew of the "Nostromo" is shown on a screen in the background (behind Ellen Ripley) in the board hearing scene, where Ripley losses her flight license. It is near impossible to make out in the original film, but with picture enhancement, you can see that Joan Lambert's original sex was male, but that it was changed at or before her birth. So Lambert's sex is "female (not natural)" . I guess her parents REALLY wanted a girl. So is Lambert transgender? Well, that depends entirely on how you want to interpret that odd piece of background information from "Aliens" (which they hardly could expect anyone to notice (or even see) when the film was released!) Is genetic manipulation possible in this SF future - to a degree that they can actually change a person's gender pre-birth?! If so, Lambert is really 100% female. In any event, her official name is "Joan", and she is clearly considered female by the "Nostromo" crew, although she comes off as a bit of a surly "Tomboy" in the beginning- Buit when the monster killing machine , she is the first to freak out and panic. I'd say Lambert IS a woman. We were not meant to read her file on the screen in "Aliens".
_Alien_ is one of those perfect blends of story, cast and director that results in a timeless movie that still stands today as one of the greatest movies ever made. I've seen it dozens of times over the years and it never fails to entertain.
The sequel _Aliens_ is also very good, though it is a very different kind of movie. Where the first one is more ambiance, suspense and terror (and a strange "lived in" realism rarely seen in Sci-Fi), the second one is more of a straight action movie. I love them both but appreciate them for different reasons. None of the other ones did anything for me.
The film is perfect as it is. A sex scene would have been totally unnecesary.
Agree Mac.
I agree with you 100%. The sexual suggestion scene in Prometheus is so out of place and so distracting that it weakens that inferior film further. What is so great about the original Alien movie, a real masterpiece of sci-fi cinema, is its minimalism. A sex scene, even its suggestion, would have subtracted from the atmosphere of dread that it so expertly crafted in the first place, and also take away from its focus as well as from the character of Ripley.
dalitis dalitis I did think the scene in Prometheus that suggests it was pointless, but it wasn't that distracting. If anything I got a laugh out of it when he starts singing before it cuts away. As for the original Alien, I agree it really wouldn't fit the tone. Only way it could work in a movie like that is if the individuals involved are completely unaware of what's going on.
Republic of MAC i agree but seeing sigourney weaver get down and dirty in her prime would be alright with me lol
Yeah I Agree as Well
There's a poster in Alien: Isolation that says "How well do you know your *long haul sexual partner*?" So, that's pretty interesting.
Makes you wonder. Ripley/Dallas, Brett/Lambert, Ash/Mother, so what, Parker/Kane? Perhaps Alien was ahead of its time in accepting LGBT lifestyle :)
@@TheNoodlyAppendage I think Parker had a thing for Lambert (I'd rather eat something else, but right now food with do [followed by grinning, "grossed out" Lambert face, as Parker eyeballs her with a smile]). Brett didn't have a clue and was just laid back, and Kane was in it to explore and be in space.
But yeah, Ash was most likely interfacing with Mother.
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@@TheRealNormanBates Kane would likely be "ace" if considered in space for anything, probably did have a partner at home to return to after the haul though.
TheNoodlyAppendage in the second film aliens, when they’re showing the crew photos in the board room, it shows that lambert is trans, clearly they do except The LGBT lifestyle by calling her by her correct pronouns and not discriminating against her, so who knows?
AFTER the chestburster scene? Call me crazy, but watching one of my close colleagues die in an unimaginably horrific way doesn't really get me in the mood.
Weston Parker I think females are pressured into sex by hormones that demand procreation if there is a threat to existence.
In the same vain, the Queen alien lays eggs to ensure the survival of the species.
As Thomas Harris said in Red Dragon, death makes us want sex. It's our futile biological attempt to spit in Death's face.
She described it as "relief". More like it was a chore to relieve stress than any strong sexual desire.
Well, you're just a prude then.
Weston Parker the whole movie is about rape.
no sex scene. the original was very well done, it felt real, almost like you're a separate crew member witnessing it. even in space hundreds of years later, everything is dingy, dark, even the attitudes. i also like how we don't get too much info about the alien and what it's up too which further goes into the idea of being there, witnessing events as another crew member. the subtle conversations and reactions to various things serve to expand character. i like it when things don't have to be so on the nose.
Alternate explanation: Ripley was the one who refused to let Dallas and co back inside the ship. He's pissed at her for not obeying orders, she's pissed at him for possibly letting an infection onboard.
Sarcastic Star Trek oh yeah, just like the film conveys- brilliant! ( ;
She did the right thing.
Her hair when that shirt comes off. Lord have mercy
Quite the screen test ... wondering if it was literally just to get her top off..
Nice how you flex the ps5 but I wonder do you have on like me
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@@babbisp1 yes lord.
There is a subtext that sexual relationships occur on ships like the Nostromo and that sexual dynamics are different. In one scene the crew are sat at the galley dinner table and Parker says something along the lines of "The noodles are the only damn good things about this ship..." and pauses before glancing and grinning at Lambert before saying to her "But I know what I'd prefer to be eating." and Lambert coquettishly laughs and looks away. (and kind of adds colour to the scene where Lambert and Parker die together)
In a deleted scene, Ripley is talking to Lambert about her suspicions over Ash and she asks Lambert "Have you slept with him?" to which Lambert replies "No...he just doesn't seem interested." - it implies that Lambert has possibly tried & possibly so has Ripley. And there is that 'have they/haven't they?' air about Dallas & Ripley.
A sex scene would have distracted from the mounting tension and uneasiness in the film.
No it could a relief or an extasis moment.
Yeah it would just replace it with "mounting"
though it would have added more tension when Dallas goes into the air ducts, and his death would have been a far bigger emotional blow to the audience, who would be invested in the couple.
22steve5150 Exactly. It would have only improved the film.
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There was definitely something going on between Kane and Lambert. I don't think Veronica Cartwright gets enough credit for some of the nuances of her performance, but Lambert's body language towards Kane, and her reaction when he volunteers to join the away party really added some depth to the characters.
Yes, where sexual relations are concerned, subtly was the best policy.
I like the film the way it turned out. There's no need to throw around sex carelessly. I like how the film gives maybe the feeling that Ripley and Dallas might be close friends, or maybe on the verge of having a more close relationship, but leaving it up to the auidence to think about. What is this horror on board the ship mean to not just the crews survival, but also their friendships or lack thereof towards one another? I like how the film doesn't step on anyone's toes here regarding the relationship of these two very important characters. Those of us who believe in more traditional morals, nor those out there who don't. Hence it is just good entertainment, without pushing an agenda, at least when it comes to those two characters and their relationship.
The scene where Ripley & Dallas arguing struck me as a parallel of 2 arguing parents: Ripley being the cautious, intuitive mom(Mother is irrelevant in this context) and Dallas being the pragmatic, stoic dad. Plus Ripley does have a maternal presence among the crew(atop the fact that she is the 2nd in command of Nostromo) while Dallas's is paternal. I don't think a sex scene would've benefitted this dynamic.
exactly, there is no need for a sex scene and even less in space knowing that there is a Xenomorph xd
What "agenda" would they be pushing? Sex out of wedlock? That's an oblique statement if every I saw one
Well according to this video, it wouldn’t have been “carelessly.” It was supposed to be pivotal to why they have such passionate disagreements. I think it was meant to be a plot point - not gratuitous.
I feel like Dallas volunteering to go after the Alien is because he feels responsible for it being on the ship anyway. Ripley was right when she said that Kane shouldn’t be let back on the ship but Dallas insisted. He doesn’t know Ash is evil yet so he feels like had it not been for him, yes Kane probably dies but nobody else does. Plus, it’s obvious he cares for Ripley.
That's the way I saw it too. If not for Dallas's decision to skip quarantine, the xenomorph might never have gotten loose to begin with.
In the novelization of Aliens, while Ripley is getting grilled by the board of inquiry, pictures of the Nostromo's crew are flashed on the screen. When Dallas's picture comes up, Ripley see him and thinks "Friend Dallas. Lover Dallas. Dead Dallas". FYI.
Aliens Director's Cut, Ripley was crushed when she was informed that her young daughter grew old and died while she floated in space for 57 years. That might also be why she later so connected with Newt.
There might've been some initial sexual tension between her and Dallas but Ripley might've had other motivations to kill the Alien and get home.
I feel like if they'd left that scene in, they'd have undermined the relatability of the situation. Even if that kind of interaction will be common in future interstellar cargo ships, it's frowned upon in most work environments on present-day earth. The movie as is, depicts a team of coworkers dealing with a workplace disaster. That's a situation that most audiences can picture themselves in with their own coworkers. If you add a sexual component to the protagonists' professional relationship, you risk making it more difficult for audiences to mentally place themselves in the characters' shoes.
I've always had a feeling that there was something intimate beneath the surface between Dallas and Ripley as the film has subtle hints possibly implying it. But a sex scene wouldn't have furthered the plot in any significant way and the fact that we are left to speculate only adds a bit more mystique to the story. Ultimately, if there was a deeper relationship between the two then it was none of our business and it never really bothered me.
in the novelizations of Alien and Aliens, it is suggested that the two where involved, though Ripley's inner monologue about Dallas where she labels him "Companion Dallas" amongst other things, and from the original, Dallas seems to be mulling over telling her later, when He vetos her volunteering on a dangerous foray through the ventilation shafts
I think it is great that their relationship is shown with some passive dialogue & little hints....such a wonderful script if anybody out there has never read it...super quick read..
Protecting Ripley from the face hugger, protecting her from going into the vent and they way Ripley looks up to him as a commanding officer are very cool hints....
"Left to the audience's imagination"
SO MANY FANFICTIONS
You know, a video on Jones the cat would be sweet, maybe on why the alien didn't kill him when it had the chance?
Or why he's actually the true antagonist as he controls the Alien with his mind and ravish at looking those pesky humans being murdered.
MysterySeeker the real jonsy live not to far from me
Damn Son that's savage but makes complete sense as cats are assholes that hate homo sapiens
Yes, may be xenomorph likes the cat. But also, i think, Alien can feel, that Jones is just a little animal, and he can't hurt Alien or his eggs(xenomorph did't recognise, that Ripley is already find his little nest and burned Dallas and Brad.
I always assumed it was eyeing up the cat to see if it could be a suitable host but decided it wouldn't so left it alone. If your main purpose is to procreate why waste time killing a cat. That's my moto.
There's also that bit of dialogue when they're all eating after Kane is revived. Parker says: 'I'd rather be eating something else' and eyes Lambert who gets somewhat bashful. Just little touches make that underlying tension great.
jesse randell Bashful? I'm going to rewatch that; she looks disgusted to me.
Though Kane's return of: "At least you know what it's made of" definitely implies he's.... been there. Ahem. Or at least been with a woman that way, I suppose, doesn't prove it is Lambert.
@@Arcanagosa I always thought Kane's remark was that the food was made out of recycled human waste... which is why Parker makes the comment "Look man, I don't want to think about what it's made from"
So you're like The Stupendous Wave of 'Alien' lore. I like it!!! Keep the videos coming!
I really want one for Star Trek and Dune
both youtube communities are pretty lackluster
OrangeNBlue that's exactly what I thought
I've always had a thing for Sigourney, she's such a devilishly beautiful woman but after seeing this scene and the way she spoke.....phwoooaarr!
Inconclusive about the sexual relationship, but the scene where Ripley & Dallas arguing struck me as a parallel of 2 arguing parents: Ripley being the cautious, intuitive mom(Mother is irrelevant in this context) and Dallas being the pragmatic, stoic dad. Plus Ripley does have a maternal presence among the crew(atop the fact that she is the 2nd in command of Nostromo) while Dallas's is paternal.
I'm glad that they left it more subtle in the finished film.
Nope.
@@prof.carloscollantes2175 - Yup.
@@MkeKen67 nope, and shut up. 😇
@@prof.carloscollantes2175 - Nope.
I'm not sure about the film but I'm sure the topic of sex between crew members was discussed in the novelisation by Alan Dean Foster (and it was the latter of the two approaches mentioned in the narration here that was the culture on ship).
A personal encounter scene could have worked as one of the central themes of Alien is of rape-horror with the Xenomorph itself representing a sexual predator threatening the crew irrespective of their gender. In the same way the chestburster is (in part) a perversion of human birth so was the killing of Lambert a metaphor of rape, although little is actually shown on screen. Consensual sex between Ripley and Dallas could have been used as a counterpoint to the viscous attacks made by the Xenomorph so I guess it could have worked but the actual presentation was probably more cerebral in the long run?
Thanks for another fascinating video :)
You could say that's how that sex scene was used in Prometheus. Not just to set up a squid thing
Lambert also shows playful disgust at something Brett says when they are eating after they emerge from hypersleep. Sex between the crew is certainly hinted at. As you rightly point out, it sets up the theme of sex/rape/birth etc that gives he film it's hidden dread. I like that it isn't overtly stated.
In the novelization, as Ripley becomes suspicious of Ash she asks Lambert if she'd ever had sex with Ash.
It certainly suggests that sex between crew members was casual and common.
Ridley said he wanted to take out the romance because it didn't work for what was going on.
thumbs up if you would still give it to Riply in the express elevator
Ravendarke 777 better than a geriatrophile
Screw you guys I’m going straight for the Queen. Go big or go home.
Bedroom Junkie I’d put it in her butt.
Simon Purist are you blind?
@Robert Curtis "Classic" is right; they're literally "The Golden Girls." LOLZ!!!!!
I got the impression there was something between them throughout the film, also felt like Dallas was definitely the kind of guy Ripley would go for. I also got the impression it was a very on/off sort of thing. So nice to have those suspicions confirmed, such great filmmaking.
I do think the relationship could have been fleshed out more, but I don't think a full sex scene would have been required. It would have made Dallas' sacrificial decision even more impact-full.
dude your videos are stunning and very tastefully made! im a long time fan, having read the novel in my childhood at least 25 years ago still this was new to me. really like your narration style, thankfully not that fast talking quick facts type of annoying style that is so common nowdays!
That subtle exchange between Lambert and Parker at the table was perfect.
Another hint to the "free sex" theory is the deleted scene when Ripley asks to Lambert if she has slept with Ash.
they probably both banged everyone except for Ash. so, it was probably a little weird for them
It’s interesting. There was definitely some kind of chemistry between Dallas and Ripley which is noticeable even though subtle mainly because Ripley has such a cold relationship with everyone else. Also if you factor in the extended version with Ripley finding cocooned crew and her brief conversation with Dallas in that moment it takes a different context.
I like how it's, "Okay. Screen test! Get naked!" Wonder how many actresses they had do that. ;)
Only Finalists and only under specific circumstances. Weaver was a main choice, but Ridley does a lot of testing to make sure someone is perfect for the role. She did the commentary with Ridley Scott, so I'm sure it was all very professional. Now, other productions weren't so professional, unfortunately.
The film is spot on as it is, even comparing the cinematic to the director's cut - everything that wasn't in the cinema release only weakens the film - especially the cocoon scene. One of the ways that Alien works best is that we're never formally introduced to the crew, we don't know anything about them or the dynamic between them... The first time we see them awake, we're literally a fly on the wall observing their sarcastic meal-time / post shower quips across the mess room table - a bit like arriving last at a pub, where everyone already knows each other. It makes the tension, loyalties and betrayals that develop in the film much more interesting - you're there, in the moment, experiencing the situation first hand instead and not knowing what to expect instead of just watching a group of people trudging through scenes recognizably 'in-character', unlike 'Aliens' where every one of the marines had an idiosyncrasy / stereotype spelled out at the beginning. Also, the structure of the film makes the finale all the more powerful and dark - one moment Ripley is care-free, pert and perky in her undies, stretching to flick controls on the shuttle consoles or on the ceiling, the next second her femininity - and the viewers arousal - is shocked back into its shell, as the alien appears... It's a pretty clever trick to tease you into letting your guard down, dig your fingernails out of your clenched palms... and then 'wham!', here we go again.
Wow, I gotta say this theory is absolutely fascinating. It always struck me as odd that the both of them were constantly antagonizing each other. Maybe I'm just trying to see patterns where there are none.... but if it's true, then Ridley Scott deserves his genius moniker. Well, he does regardless!
Everything cut from Alien only improves it. Scott and Rawlings did a great job on the original edit.
I remember reading in a Making of Alien book from back in the day, that a "love scene" was part of the Dan O'Bannon original storyline, where 'the lovers' were interrupted by Kane's body floating past the observation dome that they were getting it on, in. It never mentioned who was doing what to who, though.
It wasn't in O'Bannon's original script. Ripley was a guy in that script
@@fuzzylogicent Not quite. At least in the first finished o'bannon-only script, the characters simply aren't gendered.
You ever hang a garage door with Tom Skerrit?
I'm glad they didn't go that route with Alien, it just wasn't necessary. Sure I somehow had a gut instinct something was going on but never dwelled on it much. You could tell her relationship with him was closer than with anyone else but I assumed it was because of their ranks, that they had to communicate more with each other than anyone.
Anyway, nice video, thanks for posting it.
I was only 12 year old , when Ripley was in a tee and butt ( crack) showing. Man I love that women in movies.
Not much ass or boobs on Sigourney at all. I saw Alien in the theater opening night 1979. When that scene came up someone shouted from the back rows "No Ass".
Haha I was only 2 ( born in November of 77' ) but got to see Aliens in theaters on base when it came out, then my dad went and bought a copy of Alien when it came out on VHS and yeah, she became my crush after that haha
"Hey, you need to be topless for this screen test with some rando..."
Sounds legit.
Same thing happened for Romeo + Juliet's screen test with Clare Danes. Perhaps that's Hollywood for ya... or Fox.
Interesting theory that Dallas decided to go into the vent because of personal feelings he had for Ripley. I always saw his decision to go into the vent as atonement for disregarding quarantine. I realise Ash opened the door, but Dallas repeatedly pressed Ripley to let them in, so his decision not to follow procedure doomed them.
I had no idea about this. You do an excellent job walking us through this whole thing. Great work man!
Wasn't there a scene in Alien where Lambert asked Ripley if she ever had sex with Ash?
There was. Wouldn't have made sense to leave it in since they didn't do any other scenes that had or mentioned sex between crewmembers.
Not necessarily. I saw the deleted scene once, and it was actually Ripley asking Lambert if she ever had sex with Ash, but that's beside the point. I think the context of that particular scene was that Ripley was growing suspicious of Ash, perhaps beginning to suspect that something wasn't right about him... Granted her line of investigative questioning was strange and out of left field to say the least.
It's left in in the comic version at least.
Ash probably had a Barbie doll crotch
It's also in the novelization.
Now that I see this video I remember the closeness between the two and they did argue like a married couple. Same can be said for Vasquez and her love interest in Aliens. They were extremely close.
The cast have said there were to be at least some hint of open relationships going on the ship, including Lampbert and Ripley being romantically involved at some point, but were eventually dropped. They all agreed that it would make sense for sex to be a more casual thing in the future, especially on long interstellar missions as theirs.
You pick some great ambient selections for these videos!
Honestly this would have ruined Ripley's character and I'm glad they cut it
The subtle approach made the film even better.
In the directors cut of Alien, Ridley Scott added some of the cut scenes back in. One of those scenes is Ripley asking Lambert if she had ever slept with Ash!, She said no. So there was free sex between the crew and in the some of the conversations Parker and Bret both make comments about not having access to the women as they are taken. Presumably Ripley with Dallas and Lambert with Cain. If you watch the directors cut and pay closer attention to the crews conversations that had nothing to do with the Alien, you pick up on all this sexual tensions that were there between the crew. Also the whole thing between Cain and Lambert also explains her extremely distraught feelings after his death and her dire concern about him when the face-huger was on him.
Come on guys, the proof of all of this is there if you just sit back and watch it carefully and pay attention the conversations and ignore the special effects and listen to them talk with each other. Watch the Directors cut of Alien that was done in 2003. Its all there, but some people just don't or can't tune into this kind of human interactions very well.
I had wondered why Ripley's clothes were so skimpy in the scene, but it added something to the height of the climax ... survive ... it made her seem feral, as if she was an uncaged thing trying to survive against another hostile lifeforms ... raw, uninhibited ... it was a great scene. I think it would be the male gaze now, but it was brilliant.
Sygourney Weaver was stunningly beautiful.
But not much in the rack department.
Thank you
She certainly was! Very beautiful, nice legs
My favorite thumbnail on RUclips this year.
Ripley had a relationship with Dallas. When the face-hugger disappeared, and Dallas went into room to look for it, Ripley said "Careful," in a worried lover's tone.
I saw an interview that the actor who plays Lambert a long time ago. She said the director wanted her to act over the top hysterical with her emotions a throwback to the 1950's lead female characters and show how much better Ripley was than the rest of the crew.
I like the simpler story: everyone's a bit shitty cause they just want to go home, and everything goes to shit cause the corporate guy puts the crew in danger by bringing an alien onboard. It's perfect. Often sex scenes don't really add any value to the movie, especially for one like this where Ripley surviving the alien and invoking fear in the viewer is the focus of the movie, not the relationship of some crew members which wouldn't even really add much to the story. The old Bond movies got it right - just insinuate it happens but there's no real need to go into detail. After all, we're here for the action right? Movies that can't decide what they want to be simply suck because the whole time you're asking yourself 'is this an action, romance, comedy?' because they fit too many opposing genres. That's why old slashers were so corny, cause they're often romance and horror which is pretty gross when you think about it. Must be a fetish or some shit.
Veronica Cartwright (the actress who plays Lambert) was actually meant to play "Ripley", while the then less known actress Sigourney Weaver was initially cast as "Lambert". Wever's real official name IRL is actually Susan Weaver. Gimme me a thumbs up if you knew that piece of trivia guys!? :)
However, they switched that around at the last minute. Much to Cartwright's dismay. Which is understandable, and considering what a huge succes the franchise became, it must be bitter for Cartwright even today. Poor Veronica Cartwright. She is actually also a great actor and if you ask me, she was also kinda "hot" back in the day! :)
From the interactions we got, it seemed to me they'd had a physical but not romantic relationship, that was either over, or on hold. I also felt it likely Parker and Kane had both had some alone time with Lambert.
If it was a free sex environment, that would put a whole different spin on Ripley's "If you need me I'll be on the bridge" line, but the emotional energy among the crew doesn't really fit a free-sex environment, more like a rare occasion when boredom was high and two people were in the mood.
A sex scene would be a good deleted scene, but the film is just about perfect as is.
I think it would have "complicated" matters.... and the crew really needed to concentrate on priorities..... I am very happy that the story was taken very seriously...in that sense..and Ridley Scott showed respect and professionalism to his Nostromo crew.
That film had a nice cold dead space dread to it which was perfect, its what made it so great the one of the first real survival feel films. It cool the way it is.
Man, I'm not trying to be that guy, but she has so much natural beauty I never noticed as a kid (my crush was Winona Ryder).
Its rare for a woman to have no makeup, fight aliens, get greasy/sweaty and STILL look good lol
i didnt believe there was a relationship between Ripley and dallas in the movie until watching this vid
Something that is around for years and years... Bring us videos of things we don´t already know for ages.
Pretty cool. Yes Dallas and Ripley were involved in a sexual liaison, and I have always believed that Kane and Lambert were also involved. Parker knew and may have had something with Lambert as well. Parker definitely wanted Ripley and she was having fun with it. But I think Ridley Scott made the right decision by avoiding the subject. It would have clouded the purpose of the storyline.
I know it's been 2 years.. but Kane and Lambert?
If i may ask. Where did you find this version of the screen test? The blu ray release cuts off where Ripley says "I done talking." Its a personal curiosity. :P
I’m reading the novelization of Alien:isolation and there are definite hints Amanda sees something between Ellen and Dallas.
as i watched Alien, i did get that vibe between them, and i kept expecting the movie to reveal more about their history together, but they never did. very subtle storytelling for the horror genre.
thank christ that was deleted
Still, love that shot of Siggy with her shirt off, hair toussled. Looks kinda like Christy Canyon. Yum!
Kimble Simpson Christy Canyon is NOT built like a little boy w no ass. Weirdo!
Kimble Simpson gayboy...
Kimble Simpson says the guy with a girls name.. probably still a virgin
Kimble Simpson a little insecure are we, Kimberly?
It's likely Scott never had any intention of using the scene. One important yet often overlooked element of the script for Alien, and how it was cast. None of the roles were race or gender specific. It's why they only have nick names or last names. When the actors came in they were reading for any role. Ridley Scott then placed them where they worked best. Ripley was not even confirmed to be female until Sigourney Weaver tested best and got the part. That sounds like a scene that Ridley Scott had, but that it didn't really fit in with this movie. So he filed it away, and then dusted it off with Prometheus.
And it was in the novel as mentioned. This is why I have the same attitude about what Cameron did to Alien that folks have about what Fincher did to Cameron. I was glad Fincher did what he did. The whole 'Ripley's a mother blah blah blah' was a completely different rendering of the Ripley character and didn't fit at all. Just one of many reasons why I have disliked Aliens from the start.
And no, there shouldn't have been a sex scene. That part of the relationship had passed but it was why they argued like an old married couple.
And you have to go back to an original copy of the novel to find this. Later versions of the story were retconned and edited this out to keep the 180 turnabout of the Ripley character on track.
Thank you for making this video. I get so tired of hearing how Fincher screwed over Cameron's vision of Alien when he was guilty of the exact same thing. And it was through Scott's vision of Alien that we have the franchise (for better or worse)...not Cameron's like so many imply in comments around YT. You'd think Cameron invented the franchise.
I am a 46 y.o. scy/fy nut,I love these, keep them coming, great work.
I think Ripley and Dallas might have had a past relationship. She does butt heads with him and speaks to him on more then a professional manner. He only raises his voice to her in many scenes, also deleted scene wise. That shows a more personal level of interaction. Ripley is ready to abandon ship as the only officer aboard and "go out after them" after learning MUTHUR deciphered part of the SOS. Later, she also has to decide for a moment to let him in or to obey protocol and leave him in the airlock. The thought is seen with the pause and Ripley licks her lips- subconscious romantic reaction. He has a protective nature about him when the facehugger appears. Yes he could do that with anyone, but look at the way she holds onto him. Like she has been waiting for a moment to touch again, even in unusual circumstances. Ripley is not a damsal. She volunteers to go into the vent and Dallas over rules her quickly. Her face at that move is evident that she didn't want him to risk his life. When he's in the air duct and they lose contact, she is very upset calling his name. Then when he 'dies' she is shown to be very upset- unlike any other death. Her reaction to Kane was fear and shock. Her reaction to Brett was fear and a yell of his name. Her reaction to Ash was fuck you. And her reaction to Lambert and Parker was pure fear with the low groan she belted out (perfectly at that!). Dallas's was sadness, eyes closed grimacing. When she finds him later, she cries out loud.
You could argue that it was a professional relationship of seniority. But I think there might have been more than that in the past.
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0:15 In alien, Ripley wasn't an Lt. She was a Warrant Officer :)
True, she didn't get the 'promotion' til "Aliens", then it was basically honorary. Unless, of course, it was an automatic 'field promotion' following the death of the senior officers on the Nostromo.
I thought kane was second in command.
That is correct. But, Kane being the first one to die, Ripley became second in command. She even remarks that when Dallas and Kane are off the ship she's in charge [protesting Ash's overriding her decision not to let Kane on board with the face-hugger attached to his head.]
Idk. Always figured Dallas and Lambert had a little thing going on. Would definitely explain why she's always glancing his way, obeying his orders without question, and typically harboring a nasty attitude towards Ripley.
I've always had the feeling they were knocking boots. Since I first saw that movie.
I remember years back reading parts of a deleted scene regarding a sex scene that was removed from the final cut; they banged in a clear pod/room giving them full view of space and Kane's body tumbles past them at one point XD
I'm glad it was left out. As someone else said, I felt it was enough to have an intimate in Aliens 3. And we'll get to see this explored in Alien: Covenant.
I read a book called Alien: Out of the Shadows by Tim Lebbon, and it says in the book that Ripley and Dallas were romantically envolved. Great book, btw.
She had to take her top off just for a screen test with a stand-in actor? Seems awfully skeevy.
Hollywood! :D
Casting couch in full effect
Just about every movie with a nude actress does this.
They do the sex scenes early because if they wait to long actors would feel more uncomfortable showing all in front of their co-stars later in production and having to cost more to get stand ins
I thought the exact same thing.
I've been reading the novelisation of Aliens recently, and it seems to confirm that there was something between them, when the photos of the Nostromo's crew are up during the Weyland-Yutani inquest.
"As she spoke to the sombre inquisitors the large videoscreen behind her was printing out mug shots and dossiers. She was glad it was behind her, because the faces were that of the Nostromo's crew. There was Parker, grinning like a goon. And Brett, placid and bored as the camera did its duty. Kane was there too, and Lambert. Ash the traitor, his soulless face enriched with programmed false piety. Dallas...
Dallas. Better the picture behind her, like the memories."
Nothing's concrete, but it suggests they had something going on.
These videos are great, but would there be a chance of a 10+ minute video in the future?
For the minority who have the attention-span of a hawk?
If he wanted ad revenue he wouldn’t make this a topic of a video.
I can still remember the cheers and catcalls during the underwear scene, the theatre just freaked out and those who didn't struggling to keep composure lmao... awkward as hell for me and my parents looool
Casual sex between crew members was mentioned in the final movie when Ripley asks Lambert if she slept with Ash. "He never seemed interested" she replies. The inference is that casual sex was considered normal practice and Ash's lack of interest therefore unusual.
Interesting sexual aside: In Aliens, read the screen when Ripley is being interrogated about the deaths of her crewmembers. The readout on Lambert says she's a male-to-female transgender.
I knew it. There's a scene where Ripley and Dallas are having a tense discussion/disagreement and all of a sudden she whispers and goes soft...almost affectionate toward Dallas.
I thought all the characters were originally written without specifying their gender and they only decided to make Ripley a woman during casting. Am I mistaken?
Nope because Ron Shusset said that they had made the cast unisex meaning, they could choose who was a male or female, but they had never intended for Ripley to be female, it's in the Director's Edition where he talks about that
Also there's a scene in the comic book adaptation of Alien that supports the open sex on the ship hypothesis. It's when they are discussing how strange Ash has been behaving. Lambert says to Ripley something along the lines of "I haven't slept with him, have you?"
EDIT: I went back and checked to be sure, the exchange actually went like this - Ripley asks Lambert "Did you ever sleep with Ash?" to which Lambert replies "No, did you?" and Ripley says "No. I never got the impression he was interested."
"Neither did I."
it would have ruined the film
Mr.Mask Maker how? That makes no sense. Two characters having a 1 minute sex scene? Lok
it's very standard in horror/slasher films with a sex scene either after or right before another death, but yeah i agree i'm fine that they left it out.
TheGreatGeekDetective I agree. It would've helped the film if anything. Never been a nude scene that hurt a film, period.
It looks like Weaver got topless for the screen test? That's some dedication!
Supposedly the first scene for the Romeo + Juliet with Clare Danes was the topless one. I assume that's how Hollywood or Fox rolls.
Which film are the scenes from 1:31 to 2:06 from?
The footage is from a screen test with Sigourney Weaver for Ripley. More elaborate than most screen tests, many sets were constructed to best give an idea of how the film would look and how Weaver would fit as the character.
did u not watch the video lol clearly explains
Listen to Ridley, he knew what he was thinking. Thanks for the abstract and analysis. This story will transcend generations
I thought that ripley's role was supposed to be for a male actor and no changes in the script were made to accomadate ripleys gender.
I believe that the original script did not assign genders to any of the characters.
“Director’s” Cut of the film - Ripley finds Brett and Dallas cocooned in the bowels of the ship. Dallas utters the words “Kill Me!” a couple of times.
Ripley gets very upset before she euthanises Dallas. Simply a disturbing scene for her to find or was it because she had to kill the man she had grown to love (whether or not they were physically involved)?
Some kind of a relationship would add to the tragedy of her saga. Dallas, Hicks and Clemens all bite it. Exactly why the studio made the right decision to kill off all the other survivors of the Sulaco mission for the third instalment. Survival rate is essentially one person (or fewer) per encounter by the start of each sequel - and the company still think it’s a good idea to try and obtain a specimen.