Best review I've seen echoing my findings . I've been running these for 4 years on my hardtail. Game changing feel. Lower pressures , no drama , more compliant ride. I've taken some rim shaking strikes with no outcomes. I carry one spare tube and some puncture patches. No more messing with liquids and gloopy mess . Love them .
The review is on point. Been using Tannus for over a year for both front and rear of my bike. The weight is a bit of concern before but for the benefits I have had experienced with it, is phenomenal. 1. Grip and damping is superb, even at lower pressures. 2. Rim protection is top-notch! 3. Run flat capability: I had a puncture on the sidewall due to a thorn. I had my hand pump but somehow it failed after years of use. My riding buddies didn't had any pumps as well. I was able to ride my bike back to our base camp with a flat rear tire 7kms away. Quick Tip: During installation though, put some talcum powder on the tires and inner side of the Tannus Armor. Saves you time and the talcum powder acts as a lubricant. Cheers Gents!
Stoked to hear you have experienced good results too! It seems like Tannus has a great little cult following! Have you tried it yet with a tubilito tube? Solves the weight problem :) Thanks for the tip with the install too!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 Nope I haven't tried Tubolito. I am using Maxxis Ultralight Tubes. They work fine. I have heard that some Tubolitos bulge if over-inflated. They are a bit expensive and requires a specific Tubolito patch kits in case they are punctured. So to save some cash and headache, I opted Maxxis Ultralights.
for the past 55 years I've been riding tubed (various road & mtb), using slime tubes for the last 20 years and been very happy with that - very few punctures, easily repaired / replaced. I bought a second hand e-mtb last November (Trek Powerfly 9.7) which came with tubeless - my first experience of tubeless. To say I was apprehensive is an understatement. Ran fine, but as always I run a high pressure, which apparently is not what tubeless is all about!! (or so I've been informed by the tubeless evangelists). I was getting the man & machine as one experience until last week when a knobble tore slightly from the casing - just enough to flumox the sealant. So, being an old guy I had to work hard to get the tyre off the rim to put in a tube to continue my ride. Wasn't impressed with the effort or mess but did get there in the end. With my cynicism confirmed I am now returning to tubes but as Tannus has turned up I'm thinking of giving this a go, along with slime tubes - if I get a puncture now it's chess for me !!! I'm on an e-mtb forum and have mentioned I'm doing this - it's almost like I've claimed I'm a practising satanist!!. The amount of responses saying how tubeless is the ONLY solution and nothing could convince them to go back to tubes.... and for this I am extremely grateful for your review. It's good to hear positive feedback about them and helps me feel I am doing the right thing. I have got smaller tubes and will run at a lower pressure that I usually do. Fingers crossed and thanks again - very much appreciated. 😁👍
Great review Phil. I’ve been running Tannus Front and Rear now for app 15 months and liked it so much I also had to do a review on it. This product is 💯 without a doubt one of the best products I’ve used. I retained a similar weight to what I had with tubeless but the lower rolling resistance and increased traction my riding was in fact easier and faster.
Thanks mate! Just checked it out! You did a great job on the review! Much more insightful than me on the intricacies of the benefits! Stoked to hear you are still running them. It was definitely a game changer for me.
I want to ask you that in some reviews they say when you put the bike in garage don’t use it for around 1 month. The tannus inserts got flat and lose their hardness of absorbing on road. They say don’t put the bike for a long time on the ground stable. Did you see anything like that ? Thanks.
@@federaldelii after one year of use. The sidewalls are 0.5 mm, the thickest center of the original 15 mm, now 2.5 mm. After the first month, you could complain
Hi there @@loveistheanswer5924. The standard “TUBED” version as in Phil’s review enables you to use absolutely any tyre you want, the beauty of this product is that you can use lighter single wall tyres without fear of punctures or sidewall slashes you would normally get without Tannus. You can use any, tubeless or non tubeless…
I ride BMX. I use the same system. Tannus armour with tubolito tubes. My tires are 2.55 Merritt Phantoms and I run them at 100psi. Incredible fast and smooth rolling with the least amount of rolling resistance. I have found so much glass, sharp rocks, and thorns stuck to my tires and my tubes would have popped if it weren't for my tannus inserts. I have been using them since 2020 and still no flats.
I love it when i search for reviews on stuff i can offord like the polygon and now the tannus you are always the guy who shows up. Thank you for reviewing affordable stuff
Got them on my hybrid which I use to commute via gravel tracks and tarmac after 3 punctures during January. Been very pleased, no noticable performance or handling differences. Don't carry pump or spare tubes anymore as can ride home even if I did puncture.
Thanks Phil, exactly what I’ve found. I switched over to Tannus 3 weeks ago and instantly noticed the difference from tubeless. The extra grip it gives in the corners has been great, you can really attack corners with confidence. I started with the back first but now run both, finding the extra dampening and grip to my liking. A definite upgrade and will be sticking with them.
I'm in northern beaches too. Tore out a few sidewalls on brand new tyres with lighter casings. Went the full mile and got a dh casing in the rear. Bike felt so so sluggish. Switched to tannus today - in combination with an exo+ casing on the rear. Feels great! Faster, grippier.
I'm a total beginner, and I've been slamming my Tannus rear tyre into every rock, crevice, and step for the past year of learning... I'm only just getting the hang of getting the weight off the back tyre when I go over things. I've not had a single flat in that time. This stuff to me is absolutely gold. Prior to Tannus I had 2 flats in quick succession (one pinch flat, the other a rock hit) and one rim dent. Also I've not had any damage to the rims since installing it. I can't believe it's such a cheap product too... given everything else in MTB is so expensive, this is really one of the gem's out there. Great review, love this channel. Thanks.
As a commuter bike rider or a two wheeled recumbent. I'm having one of these critters installed in my rear tire. I don't car about the weight, what I hate is fixing a flat tire. Honestly, I am looking forward to using this insert.
thank you so much, I paired the insert with the new Schwalbe Aerothan tubes... no punctures so far on trails where I even punctured Enduro casings with tubeless. And I can finally make use of all these light casing tires I have in my drawer
Absolutely agree. I've been using for Tannus for 2+ years now and I think you've completely covered all the advantages and also agree with your comments about using it in the front too! Excellent review! I have had zero punctures or rim dings since running Tannus. I did slash a sidewall but this didn't result in damage to the rim or tube and allowed me to carry on the ride as if the tyre was fine! Amazing! I previously used tubeless but this is far better for all the reasons you said.
Yeah this video basically change my mind about bothering to go tubeless. I can get Tannus in UK for £25. I'm going to try it in the rear tyre first. Thanks mate. I like the measured way of talking, no hysterics, just data and facts. Very persuasive. The comparison of weight of the 2 systems was eye opener. Thanks!
Tubeless no matter what sealant you use you still get punctures it's all useless 😱 Stans being the worst Slime causing balance issues Put the tannus in both wheels you will forget the 84g different 🤣 I've just bought tannus for my 14" wheel dyu d3 ,,I'm going to have to cut it down lol
Good review. I bought the Tannus tubeless insert 6 months ago, and installed it in the rear. Nothing negative to report about it, other than you need to muscle it in like a guerrilla. I am 175 lbs and run 24 psi out back, 22 psi up front.
Thanks mate! Stoked to hear you are liking it too! I must be the only one who found it easy! Got lucky I guess a few people have been saying it was difficult too.
Great review thanks! I have never been a fan of tubeless, solving a problem I never really had but really like the idea of these, thanks for bringing these to my attention.
I did the same. Won't look back now. These plus tubes are excellent and so much easier to live with. I also copped a HUGE rim strike on my hardtail and there was no damage or puncture. Couldn't even see where it hit.
Valuable review and exactly the info I've been looking for. I like the characteristics of a high tpi tire such as a Vee, but not their thin sidewalls and susceptibility to punctures. These tires also tend to self-steer themselves at lower pressure due to their extreme pliability. Sounds as if adding tannus inserts would be an ideal compromise for both issues. Armed with your helpful input, I am going to order tannus inserts right now. Thanks again... Douglas;)
I got ANOTHER rear pinch flat coming off a rock ledge last saturday.. I just went and purchased a Tannus Armor for my rear tire. Thanks for the recommendation! Can't wait to try it out.
@@trailtalkmtb6603what size tubolito tube are you using? The 1.8-2.5? Or do they have a smaller size? I've been riding with the insert for a while now. It's freaking amazing!! I live in western Colorado and it's extremely rocky and chunky here. Having the insert makes a phenomenal difference. It's so so nice.
Great review and video. You covered all the points of tire/inserts benefits and talked about other points I wouldn't have thought of (like feedback pros/cons). Keep up the good work 👍
thanks for your review, I been using tannus for 1.5 yrs and install on my Niner Jet 9 RDO. front 22 psi rear 25 psi. no issues and it works great. have a fun and safe ride always.
Great video though, im still sticking to tubeless on MTB, literally never had a flat so im happy. But on my road bike tubeless is ending up being high maintenance. Since the casing of the tire is directly in contact with the ground (no knobs) the tires quickly accumulate damage from glass and screws etc. All these little cuts seal, but always slowly leak so tires are being constantly being pumped up. The first tires I were using the Schwalbe Pro 1 I kept getting catastrophic fails constantly where the sealant would spray in the air / all over bike and not seal. Literally 1 tire lasted my 6km and it went in the bin. I swapped to Pirelli tubeless tires and they were very puncture proof, but the problems still existed, there would be lots of tread but the damage would quickly add up overtime making the tire loose pressure and become un-reliable, if I went on holiday the tire would become flat and then sealant would cake all over bead, which DOES NOT come off! So tread was left but tire had to go in the bin. I just really want to get the full life out of a tire which I can do with MTB tires but yet to do it with 5 years on road tubeless.
Seeing my old comment here, here's an update: I've spent hours fiddling around with this armour. I've had to install one a few times on a 17mm rim with a 2.25" schwalbe racing ralph (not recommended) and ofc I didn't bother cutting it the first time. I needed 2 extra hands to get it seated badly. It was a genuine nightmare but it finally allowed me to use a 2.25 tyre that wouldn't almost roll off or puncture every other day. Now I have a 24mm rim and the armour is flaccid. I also cut it to size and it's super easy to install now compared to the first time. I was scared of ripping the tyre, good thing the racing ralph is strong.
I would like to see a film where you show three things: 1. Installing the insert in real time to a tire 2. Adding a tube to the tire on trail that has an insert 3. Riding 1km with a flat tier with just the insert
just received mine, installing it was pretty damn tough in my case. I'm on oldschool 26" 19c rims, but when I measure the inside myself, it's widest part is just 17mm. Tannus recommends 19mm+, I used a 2.25" tire (probably the widest I can fit, and yes they would always get pinch flats because of it) So far the installation survived the first ride without issues
@X41N3 doesn't sound like the easy install on the package. I'm going to contact the manufacturer & request they remove that false statement from their packaging, as since reading reviews I now understand the problem isn't me--it's the product. False advertising 100%. Considering reporting to BBB depending on how quickly the manufacturer can remove it.
@@jamesarnold6059 reading the instructions also helps. I just tried putting in something that's made for 2.4 inch or something in a 2.25 that's already in a rim it wasn't made for so yeah.
Hello friend, I think you do an excellent job with your reviews in addition to helping people a lot, very good material and I thank you for your honesty ... greetings from Chile
Pro tip is add a tiny bit of sealant into any tube you use. The most annoying thing with tubes is the tiniest pin prick deems a tube completely useless. With a little sealant you then don't have to worry about thorns.
When you ride a wheel with a flat tire most likely the tire will get damaged. It happened twice with Cush core and the green foam insert.cannot remember the brand. Like your videos.
I was commuting to work on bike last year. About 80 miles/wk May-October. Been having a hard time deciding on tire options after a flat made me late once around September. Today, not quite spring yet, but super nice & was going to still be warm(ish) after work... blew out a tire on first bike ride to work. Don't care about weight nor price nearly as much as getting to destination on time. Countless hours watching videos, comparing everything. I think I am about to try these. They may even arrive before it gets warm enough to ride daily.
did you go with these? I too care more about getting to and from work without a flat and not about weight or rolling resistance since I'm on an e-bike. I looked around a lot for a good solution. I was trying to use regular liners, but those didn't protect the sides and also caused their own flats by cutting into the tube over time. I even did a lot of research on the best liner and think the reviews were bunk. Who in their right mind designed the end of the liner with right angle instead of tapered edges? So I'm going to start shopping and hopefully can get the tube and tannus liner together.
@@laughinggas5281 I did. They were very tough to install. With no air in the tire still feels like 20psi. I got a flat on my way to work, kept riding to gas station, fixaflat got me to work. I ended up not reinstalling one after I got a bunch of flats, probably the rims fault.
I’m getting some too , leaving tubeless mess … not worrying about a few grams … hilarious that people worry about a few grams “for performance” but won’t lose a pound off of themselves 😂
I think another solution you could try is changing up the tire brand and experimenting. Personally I run Vitoria tires with cushcore and they hold up great. The casing is very good and surprisingly light.
I have to tell you. Few weeks ago I probably point my rear wheel at sharp edge of rock which pierced my Schwalbe Nobby Nic Super Ground then goes through Tannus Armour (for tube version) and then it made a small hole in my tube (Maxxis 29" Ultralight). So... If you plan go to ride more rough terrain I think the good idea is to use thicker tires. Actually I aim into Schwalbe Magic Mary 29x2.40 Supper Gravity Addix Soft so it will probably prevent future sharp edge rocks penetrations. So in my case the Tannus insert didn't blocked puncture 100% but I think the tire was the main problem.
Nice review, and sunny video. I have them on my emtb. Just a couple of notes, on installation, you need to pump to a higher pressure to make the bead sit (the insert squashes as you pump up, keep going until you get that reassuring pop). I used a too small road tube on my first attempt (2.6 inch tyres), this was a bad idea and split when riding. At least I can confirm it is possible to ride with a flat inner tube, but only slowly and I not for long (I was up to Turbo on my assistance). Removing the Tannus on route is a bit harder than just removing the tyre, it is tricky to unbead as the tyre / insert combo is much stiffer. A bit of "lube" from my water bottle helped. For ebike, which are heavier, and in my case ebike rider (who may be heavier........) they are great at reducing pinch flats or tubeless burp's. On my front wheel, I initially did feel the added inertia from the additional weight, it is a sensation affecting steering slightly, and I very quickly adapted . Ps I read the instructions, drop the pressure periodically to allow the inserts to decompress.
back in my school days we used old fire hydrand hose, tough as nails. rode my bike for around 10km every day for 5 years and never had a single puncture, where i hade a puncture at least once 1-2 months before that. it probably wont give any grip benefits thou and the weight was noticeable
sounds like a great product, only disadvantage I can see is the need for bringing an extra tube if You only use it in the back. I ride 2.6 both front and back, so if I swap to Tannus in the back I cant use the same spare tube if I need to
Tried these with modern plastic tubes - Schwable Aerothan. The foam reacted with the tube and tube went porous. Ok with super light rubber tubes. Easy to use but reduces grip a bit and rim dents can still happen.
Good review Phil they had a identical system for moto tyres 30 years ago worked a treat was a bit harder to fit on the moto tho dont know why they stopped making them i would like to see your reviews of product you hated the industry needs honest revi7
In my area the land is riddled with sharp thorns or in this case we refer to as bullheads. These thorns can easily rendered a tube useless even if the tube is inundated with slime or whatever out there that's being advertised.
Hmm. I was sceptical about these but they sound like a winner. No sealant sounds good. And the ability to use cheaper casing tyres but maintain sidewall support is another. I run an ARD with DD Maxxis and Stan's in the back. Sick of the sealant but haven't punctured yet. And up front exo+ with tube (split it bad first ride). I too like a light front and didn't like the ARD up front. Seemed to make the front too springy like too many tokens on smaller bumps. That's probably amplified by the extra unsprung weight. Just couldn't get comfortable with it. The joys of riding chunk I guess! Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate! Yeah I feel once you are running DD tyres and an insert, tannus is definitely worth a go. Glad to hear im not the only one that likes a lighter/less damped setup upfront!
Can't fit mine on my 26 inch 2.1 width MTB tyres even without the inner tube as it is too tight on the rims and the edges spills over the side of the tyres even when i trimmed out down as per instructions.. Wish you could do a tutorial as I'm struggling and not sure what to do.
You've convinced me Phil. I have one for the rear on the way. So you still run tubeless on the front and haven't managed to fully get away from sealant? Or you run a std tube on the front. Any handling issues having the insert only in the rear?
Zero handling issues with just doing the rear tire. We’ve seen a combination of both, running tubeless in the rear tubed Armour in the front or just tubeless armour in the rear. Hope this helps
Do the inserts start to go mushy or break down after time and wear and tear and need to be replaced, or do they last for a long time???? Thank you! Great Video!!! Keep on riding Mate!!!! Happy New Year 2024 from San Francisco Ca!!! ; )
This sounds very interesting. I was already convinced to buy cushcore...but now THIS changes everything. Schwalbe had a similar concept (pro-core ) with a tube inside a tube and they ran at different pressures.
Watched this when it first came out, excellent! Are you still thrilled with the set up or have you moved on to something different? Hoping for a one tear review. Thanks in advance.
A very in-depth and honest review. I’ve been running cushcore for about a year now. At first F/R and now only R - it’s a DT Fr560 with Assegai Exo+ and that seems to be a good combo - no dramas as of yet. Would you say tannus is more for the heavy-hitters and rim protections, or more for puncture protection? Considering giving it a go, although why fix a system that works very well.
Your ride qualities will improve NOTICEABLY with Tannus because of the vibration dampening the product creates plus the additional sidewall support will allow more traction, lower pressures with increased tyre stability and less rolling resistance as the 15mm thick top section creates less tyre compression at a rolling pace. Think of it as progressive travel in your tyres.
Seems like a cool product, I just am worried about having extra weight in my rear. I have a full suspension alloy bike, coming from a plus size hardtail, and I don’t like how heavy the rear end is, I can’t really justify making it any heavier.
Why do you still run such a heavy tire? Especially with the Tannus you can go at least one level lighter, which will bring the weight penalty to zero compared to your previous setup with DH-casing.
Awesome review ! Just watched "* POOL NOODLE TIRE INSERT HACK ** - Never Get A Flat Tire Again On Any Bike!" by Jake. His video was my first introduction to this system but wanted to know more about the Tannus setup and AUD $$$. So great to see a fellow Ozzie review this product. So my next question is: can all tubeless rims run a tube ???
Hey Phil I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and was wondering if you could make a updated video for the best value Enduro bikes Thanks and keep up the great quality videos
If you did the front.. You chances of a tyre failure preventing you from riding home are negligible. So no need to take a tube, pump, tyre plugs or any tools to fix tyres. What do ya recon?
Hmmm I would still probably bring a tube and some levers. Even though you can run flat if you are on a big ride it would be a miserable ride back as you can only ride slow with them flat
Cool video, but have you ever tried Vittoria tires in the trial casing, I just got some this year and no punctures or side wall tares/ side wall squirming. They out perform exo casing and they are worth a try
i have a 20x4.0 rim but can a 20x3.0 innertube fit and work for a 20x4.0 ? Lets say if i don"t have a 20x4.0 innertube can a 20x3.0 be a substitute ? My next question is what if i have 20x4.0 inserts can a 20x3.0 innertube fit inside a 20x4.0 inserts ? if so what will be the psi to fill the tire up ?
Hi. Thanks for video. Wonder two things if you have experience. 1) does it feel softer than tubeless or only tube? 2) does it get thinner time by time in the tire?
Thanks for the Video. Got the regular Tannus armour insert. Just wanted to ask if you've had any experience with the tubeless version and how it compares. I would appreciate the input.
I want to ask you that in some reviews they say when you put the bike in garage don’t use it for around 1 month. The tannus inserts got flat and lose their hardness of absorbing on road. They say don’t put the bike for a long time on the ground stable. Did you see anything like that ? Thanks.
I haven’t had any issues running a DH dual ply tire in the back and a trail casing up front. I rarely get any flats and I ride some rocky straight edge trails.
what is your front setup? you said Tannus is not for you in front, but since you seemed to not like to mess with sealant i wonder if you are running tubeless or with a tube/tubelito?
Be aware that Tannus armor compresses over time, i just watch a video that showed that this armor compressing down to 5mm from 15mm thick after a period of time. Their website say that it compresses the higher the psi which can be read as if you put any psi in it compresses over time. They have nothing on the rate it compresses with time .
I am still running stock setup on my siskiu d7. I am keen on tubeless because of my imagined messiness. As some have commented about the difficulty of installation, I like to hear how bad is it to smear a few drop of chain lub in between the layers, tyre, insert and tube
Tioga Max Protect tubes have been around for quite a few years, they are like this but are made one piece I have used them but they feel a bit weird to me. I use Schwalbe tubes with slime added these days.
Interesting, looks like a similar concept as you said. They appear to be a fair bit heavier though. It would be interesting to see if the foam is similar.
@@trailtalkmtb6603 I would say that Tannus would be much lighter...for DH weight isn't really a concern though, like you say fit it to the back for insurance.
Can I use it on touring bike as well,thank you?Also what pressure?I never used tubeless setup always used tubes and I like tyres bit firmly pumped up.Couldn't find any info to what pressure I can use with these red inserts,thank you!
Cushcore is the king of inserts you can ride with the cushcore on your rim if needed.i haven’t had one problem with cushcore and my local trails are chunky rocks but you do need to get the special bead dropper tool to make life easy..
Cant argue with results! I always say, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. I love cushcore I just feel like you can get similar results and a lighter setup with the tannus.
Yes I can agree with that the trails I ride on the central coast of California are super rocky and chunky so yes there really is a set up for all types of riding and that is a good thing to have options.
Great review! In your opinion, would it be better to pair this insert with a lightweight butyl tube like the Maxxis ultralight (109 grams - $7) or shell out for the tubolito (78 grams - $35)?
Best review I've seen echoing my findings . I've been running these for 4 years on my hardtail. Game changing feel. Lower pressures , no drama , more compliant ride. I've taken some rim shaking strikes with no outcomes. I carry one spare tube and some puncture patches. No more messing with liquids and gloopy mess . Love them .
Do run them on both wheels or just the rear on your HT?
The review is on point. Been using Tannus for over a year for both front and rear of my bike. The weight is a bit of concern before but for the benefits I have had experienced with it, is phenomenal.
1. Grip and damping is superb, even at lower pressures.
2. Rim protection is top-notch!
3. Run flat capability: I had a puncture on the sidewall due to a thorn. I had my hand pump but somehow it failed after years of use. My riding buddies didn't had any pumps as well. I was able to ride my bike back to our base camp with a flat rear tire 7kms away.
Quick Tip: During installation though, put some talcum powder on the tires and inner side of the Tannus Armor. Saves you time and the talcum powder acts as a lubricant.
Cheers Gents!
Stoked to hear you have experienced good results too! It seems like Tannus has a great little cult following! Have you tried it yet with a tubilito tube? Solves the weight problem :) Thanks for the tip with the install too!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 Nope I haven't tried Tubolito. I am using Maxxis Ultralight Tubes. They work fine. I have heard that some Tubolitos bulge if over-inflated. They are a bit expensive and requires a specific Tubolito patch kits in case they are punctured. So to save some cash and headache, I opted Maxxis Ultralights.
for the past 55 years I've been riding tubed (various road & mtb), using slime tubes for the last 20 years and been very happy with that - very few punctures, easily repaired / replaced. I bought a second hand e-mtb last November (Trek Powerfly 9.7) which came with tubeless - my first experience of tubeless. To say I was apprehensive is an understatement. Ran fine, but as always I run a high pressure, which apparently is not what tubeless is all about!! (or so I've been informed by the tubeless evangelists). I was getting the man & machine as one experience until last week when a knobble tore slightly from the casing - just enough to flumox the sealant. So, being an old guy I had to work hard to get the tyre off the rim to put in a tube to continue my ride. Wasn't impressed with the effort or mess but did get there in the end. With my cynicism confirmed I am now returning to tubes but as Tannus has turned up I'm thinking of giving this a go, along with slime tubes - if I get a puncture now it's chess for me !!!
I'm on an e-mtb forum and have mentioned I'm doing this - it's almost like I've claimed I'm a practising satanist!!. The amount of responses saying how tubeless is the ONLY solution and nothing could convince them to go back to tubes.... and for this I am extremely grateful for your review. It's good to hear positive feedback about them and helps me feel I am doing the right thing. I have got smaller tubes and will run at a lower pressure that I usually do.
Fingers crossed and thanks again - very much appreciated. 😁👍
Great review Phil.
I’ve been running Tannus Front and Rear now for app 15 months and liked it so much I also had to do a review on it. This product is 💯 without a doubt one of the best products I’ve used. I retained a similar weight to what I had with tubeless but the lower rolling resistance and increased traction my riding was in fact easier and faster.
Thanks mate! Just checked it out! You did a great job on the review! Much more insightful than me on the intricacies of the benefits! Stoked to hear you are still running them. It was definitely a game changer for me.
I want to ask you that in some reviews they say when you put the bike in garage don’t use it for around 1 month. The tannus inserts got flat and lose their hardness of absorbing on road. They say don’t put the bike for a long time on the ground stable. Did you see anything like that ? Thanks.
@@federaldelii after one year of use. The sidewalls are 0.5 mm, the thickest center of the original 15 mm, now 2.5 mm. After the first month, you could complain
Do I need for the tannus Armour TUBELESS extra tires?
It does not work with usual ones right?
Hi there @@loveistheanswer5924. The standard “TUBED” version as in Phil’s review enables you to use absolutely any tyre you want, the beauty of this product is that you can use lighter single wall tyres without fear of punctures or sidewall slashes you would normally get without Tannus. You can use any, tubeless or non tubeless…
I ride BMX. I use the same system. Tannus armour with tubolito tubes. My tires are 2.55 Merritt Phantoms and I run them at 100psi. Incredible fast and smooth rolling with the least amount of rolling resistance. I have found so much glass, sharp rocks, and thorns stuck to my tires and my tubes would have popped if it weren't for my tannus inserts. I have been using them since 2020 and still no flats.
I love it when i search for reviews on stuff i can offord like the polygon and now the tannus you are always the guy who shows up. Thank you for reviewing affordable stuff
Sick video like always, u explain things so much better than other you tubers
Thanks mate!
Besides getting worried about a flat, it feels smooth.
Got them on my hybrid which I use to commute via gravel tracks and tarmac after 3 punctures during January. Been very pleased, no noticable performance or handling differences. Don't carry pump or spare tubes anymore as can ride home even if I did puncture.
great system. the downside to tubeless is mess and changing tyres for the conditions is a faff . changing a tubed system is very quick.
not to mention all the crap built up on the inside of the tyre and bead after 6 months or so... stans sealant!!
how long to tires last for you?
I'm amazed... Do you work for them? Or own the company?
Thanks Phil, exactly what I’ve found. I switched over to Tannus 3 weeks ago and instantly noticed the difference from tubeless. The extra grip it gives in the corners has been great, you can really attack corners with confidence. I started with the back first but now run both, finding the extra dampening and grip to my liking. A definite upgrade and will be sticking with them.
Stoked to hear you are loving them too! The damping is truly amazing. Tough to go back after experiencing that.
Great overview! I like the Tannus concept. It's a lot less messy and sounds much easier to install.
Totally agree!
I live in the Nevada desert and recently found these tannus inserts and omg my e-bike is now invincible.
w tubes or tubeless? vegas myself
@@KurtRWalker Tubes
Get One for the Rear Of my CF Warden 😎 Excellent Review Thanks
I'm in northern beaches too. Tore out a few sidewalls on brand new tyres with lighter casings. Went the full mile and got a dh casing in the rear. Bike felt so so sluggish. Switched to tannus today - in combination with an exo+ casing on the rear. Feels great! Faster, grippier.
I'm a total beginner, and I've been slamming my Tannus rear tyre into every rock, crevice, and step for the past year of learning... I'm only just getting the hang of getting the weight off the back tyre when I go over things. I've not had a single flat in that time. This stuff to me is absolutely gold. Prior to Tannus I had 2 flats in quick succession (one pinch flat, the other a rock hit) and one rim dent. Also I've not had any damage to the rims since installing it. I can't believe it's such a cheap product too... given everything else in MTB is so expensive, this is really one of the gem's out there. Great review, love this channel. Thanks.
As a commuter bike rider or a two wheeled recumbent. I'm having one of these critters installed in my rear tire. I don't car about the weight, what I hate is fixing a flat tire. Honestly, I am looking forward to using this insert.
thank you so much, I paired the insert with the new Schwalbe Aerothan tubes... no punctures so far on trails where I even punctured Enduro casings with tubeless. And I can finally make use of all these light casing tires I have in my drawer
Absolutely agree. I've been using for Tannus for 2+ years now and I think you've completely covered all the advantages and also agree with your comments about using it in the front too! Excellent review! I have had zero punctures or rim dings since running Tannus. I did slash a sidewall but this didn't result in damage to the rim or tube and allowed me to carry on the ride as if the tyre was fine! Amazing! I previously used tubeless but this is far better for all the reasons you said.
Thanks Brian! Stoked to hear you are loving it too! Absolute game changer
Yeah this video basically change my mind about bothering to go tubeless. I can get Tannus in UK for £25. I'm going to try it in the rear tyre first. Thanks mate. I like the measured way of talking, no hysterics, just data and facts. Very persuasive. The comparison of weight of the 2 systems was eye opener. Thanks!
Tubeless no matter what sealant you use you still get punctures it's all useless 😱
Stans being the worst
Slime causing balance issues
Put the tannus in both wheels you will forget the 84g different 🤣
I've just bought tannus for my 14" wheel dyu d3 ,,I'm going to have to cut it down lol
Good review. I bought the Tannus tubeless insert 6 months ago, and installed it in the rear. Nothing negative to report about it, other than you need to muscle it in like a guerrilla. I am 175 lbs and run 24 psi out back, 22 psi up front.
Thanks mate! Stoked to hear you are liking it too! I must be the only one who found it easy! Got lucky I guess a few people have been saying it was difficult too.
I used to do this with old tires cutting the side wires off it worked real good 😮
Great review thanks! I have never been a fan of tubeless, solving a problem I never really had but really like the idea of these, thanks for bringing these to my attention.
Thanks Mark! Glad it was helpful!
Just bought a cheap pair on Ebay then found your review, Happy ++ !
I did the same. Won't look back now. These plus tubes are excellent and so much easier to live with.
I also copped a HUGE rim strike on my hardtail and there was no damage or puncture. Couldn't even see where it hit.
Agreed! So much easier! I kind of forget what it feels like to get rim damage now
Valuable review and exactly the info I've been looking for. I like the characteristics of a high tpi tire such as a Vee, but not their thin sidewalls and susceptibility to punctures. These tires also tend to self-steer themselves at lower pressure due to their extreme pliability. Sounds as if adding tannus inserts would be an ideal compromise for both issues. Armed with your helpful input, I am going to order tannus inserts right now. Thanks again... Douglas;)
I got ANOTHER rear pinch flat coming off a rock ledge last saturday.. I just went and purchased a Tannus Armor for my rear tire. Thanks for the recommendation! Can't wait to try it out.
Damn well hopefully the tannus fixes the problem for you! Let me know what you think after a few rides!
@@trailtalkmtb6603what size tubolito tube are you using? The 1.8-2.5? Or do they have a smaller size? I've been riding with the insert for a while now. It's freaking amazing!! I live in western Colorado and it's extremely rocky and chunky here. Having the insert makes a phenomenal difference. It's so so nice.
@@vindeta360 just the 1.8-2.5, they dont stretch as much as a normal tube so the fit well
Great review and video. You covered all the points of tire/inserts benefits and talked about other points I wouldn't have thought of (like feedback pros/cons). Keep up the good work 👍
thanks for your review, I been using tannus for 1.5 yrs and install on my Niner Jet 9 RDO. front 22 psi rear 25 psi. no issues and it works great. have a fun and safe ride always.
Great video though, im still sticking to tubeless on MTB, literally never had a flat so im happy. But on my road bike tubeless is ending up being high maintenance. Since the casing of the tire is directly in contact with the ground (no knobs) the tires quickly accumulate damage from glass and screws etc. All these little cuts seal, but always slowly leak so tires are being constantly being pumped up.
The first tires I were using the Schwalbe Pro 1 I kept getting catastrophic fails constantly where the sealant would spray in the air / all over bike and not seal. Literally 1 tire lasted my 6km and it went in the bin. I swapped to Pirelli tubeless tires and they were very puncture proof, but the problems still existed, there would be lots of tread but the damage would quickly add up overtime making the tire loose pressure and become un-reliable, if I went on holiday the tire would become flat and then sealant would cake all over bead, which DOES NOT come off! So tread was left but tire had to go in the bin.
I just really want to get the full life out of a tire which I can do with MTB tires but yet to do it with 5 years on road tubeless.
Seeing my old comment here, here's an update:
I've spent hours fiddling around with this armour. I've had to install one a few times on a 17mm rim with a 2.25" schwalbe racing ralph (not recommended) and ofc I didn't bother cutting it the first time. I needed 2 extra hands to get it seated badly. It was a genuine nightmare but it finally allowed me to use a 2.25 tyre that wouldn't almost roll off or puncture every other day. Now I have a 24mm rim and the armour is flaccid. I also cut it to size and it's super easy to install now compared to the first time. I was scared of ripping the tyre, good thing the racing ralph is strong.
I would like to see a film where you show three things:
1. Installing the insert in real time to a tire
2. Adding a tube to the tire on trail that has an insert
3. Riding 1km with a flat tier with just the insert
just received mine, installing it was pretty damn tough in my case.
I'm on oldschool 26" 19c rims, but when I measure the inside myself, it's widest part is just 17mm. Tannus recommends 19mm+, I used a 2.25" tire (probably the widest I can fit, and yes they would always get pinch flats because of it) So far the installation survived the first ride without issues
Pretty damn tough is an understatement for me. Damn near impossible and I usually don't even use tire irons (do it by hand)
@James Arnold I needed an extra pair of hands in the end. But in my case, I should've cut of piece of foam to fit..I just jammed everything in lol
@X41N3 doesn't sound like the easy install on the package. I'm going to contact the manufacturer & request they remove that false statement from their packaging, as since reading reviews I now understand the problem isn't me--it's the product. False advertising 100%. Considering reporting to BBB depending on how quickly the manufacturer can remove it.
@@jamesarnold6059 reading the instructions also helps. I just tried putting in something that's made for 2.4 inch or something in a 2.25 that's already in a rim it wasn't made for so yeah.
@X41N3 I did, and followed them. Don't waste my time with stating the obvious.
We need a long term review!
Hello friend, I think you do an excellent job with your reviews in addition to helping people a lot, very good material and I thank you for your honesty ... greetings from Chile
Pro tip is add a tiny bit of sealant into any tube you use. The most annoying thing with tubes is the tiniest pin prick deems a tube completely useless. With a little sealant you then don't have to worry about thorns.
When you ride a wheel with a flat tire most likely the tire will get damaged. It happened twice with Cush core and the green foam insert.cannot remember the brand. Like your videos.
I was commuting to work on bike last year. About 80 miles/wk May-October. Been having a hard time deciding on tire options after a flat made me late once around September. Today, not quite spring yet, but super nice & was going to still be warm(ish) after work... blew out a tire on first bike ride to work. Don't care about weight nor price nearly as much as getting to destination on time. Countless hours watching videos, comparing everything. I think I am about to try these. They may even arrive before it gets warm enough to ride daily.
did you go with these? I too care more about getting to and from work without a flat and not about weight or rolling resistance since I'm on an e-bike. I looked around a lot for a good solution. I was trying to use regular liners, but those didn't protect the sides and also caused their own flats by cutting into the tube over time. I even did a lot of research on the best liner and think the reviews were bunk. Who in their right mind designed the end of the liner with right angle instead of tapered edges?
So I'm going to start shopping and hopefully can get the tube and tannus liner together.
@@laughinggas5281 I did. They were very tough to install. With no air in the tire still feels like 20psi. I got a flat on my way to work, kept riding to gas station, fixaflat got me to work. I ended up not reinstalling one after I got a bunch of flats, probably the rims fault.
Thanks Phil, this is a really well presented review.
I still use tube's with a Kevlar/style protection tape in the tire..Haven't had a puncher in 2 since .
Great review man! I'm a Tannus believer as well; had it on my Specialized Enduro and now on my fatbike for the summer 😁
I’m getting some too , leaving tubeless mess … not worrying about a few grams … hilarious that people worry about a few grams “for performance” but won’t lose a pound off of themselves 😂
I think another solution you could try is changing up the tire brand and experimenting. Personally I run Vitoria tires with cushcore and they hold up great. The casing is very good and surprisingly light.
I just might have too! Will be interesting with a properly light rear tyre!
I went back to tubes awhile back .
I have to tell you. Few weeks ago I probably point my rear wheel at sharp edge of rock which pierced my Schwalbe Nobby Nic Super Ground then goes through Tannus Armour (for tube version) and then it made a small hole in my tube (Maxxis 29" Ultralight). So... If you plan go to ride more rough terrain I think the good idea is to use thicker tires. Actually I aim into Schwalbe Magic Mary 29x2.40 Supper Gravity Addix Soft so it will probably prevent future sharp edge rocks penetrations. So in my case the Tannus insert didn't blocked puncture 100% but I think the tire was the main problem.
Sick video mate, you should do a vid of you riding with a bunch of mates that would be sick 🤙🏼
Will have to do a ride with the crew soon!
Nice review, and sunny video.
I have them on my emtb. Just a couple of notes, on installation, you need to pump to a higher pressure to make the bead sit (the insert squashes as you pump up, keep going until you get that reassuring pop). I used a too small road tube on my first attempt (2.6 inch tyres), this was a bad idea and split when riding. At least I can confirm it is possible to ride with a flat inner tube, but only slowly and I not for long (I was up to Turbo on my assistance). Removing the Tannus on route is a bit harder than just removing the tyre, it is tricky to unbead as the tyre / insert combo is much stiffer. A bit of "lube" from my water bottle helped.
For ebike, which are heavier, and in my case ebike rider (who may be heavier........) they are great at reducing pinch flats or tubeless burp's.
On my front wheel, I initially did feel the added inertia from the additional weight, it is a sensation affecting steering slightly, and I very quickly adapted .
Ps I read the instructions, drop the pressure periodically to allow the inserts to decompress.
Thanks Jason! Yes I should off noted to keep and eye that it seats evenly, I did have to redo one. Good tips to note for anyone else giving it a go!
back in my school days we used old fire hydrand hose, tough as nails. rode my bike for around 10km every day for 5 years and never had a single
puncture, where i hade a puncture at least once 1-2 months before that. it probably wont give any grip benefits thou and the weight was noticeable
sounds like a great product, only disadvantage I can see is the need for bringing an extra tube if You only use it in the back.
I ride 2.6 both front and back, so if I swap to Tannus in the back I cant use the same spare tube if I need to
Tried these with modern plastic tubes - Schwable Aerothan. The foam reacted with the tube and tube went porous. Ok with super light rubber tubes. Easy to use but reduces grip a bit and rim dents can still happen.
Good review Phil they had a identical system for moto tyres 30 years ago worked a treat was a bit harder to fit on the moto tho dont know why they stopped making them i would like to see your reviews of product you hated the industry needs honest revi7
In my area the land is riddled with sharp thorns or in this case we refer to as bullheads. These thorns can easily rendered a tube useless even if the tube is inundated with slime or whatever out there that's being advertised.
Hmm. I was sceptical about these but they sound like a winner. No sealant sounds good. And the ability to use cheaper casing tyres but maintain sidewall support is another.
I run an ARD with DD Maxxis and Stan's in the back. Sick of the sealant but haven't punctured yet.
And up front exo+ with tube (split it bad first ride). I too like a light front and didn't like the ARD up front. Seemed to make the front too springy like too many tokens on smaller bumps. That's probably amplified by the extra unsprung weight. Just couldn't get comfortable with it.
The joys of riding chunk I guess!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks mate! Yeah I feel once you are running DD tyres and an insert, tannus is definitely worth a go. Glad to hear im not the only one that likes a lighter/less damped setup upfront!
Can't fit mine on my 26 inch 2.1 width MTB tyres even without the inner tube as it is too tight on the rims and the edges spills over the side of the tyres even when i trimmed out down as per instructions.. Wish you could do a tutorial as I'm struggling and not sure what to do.
brilliant idea combing with the tubolito
Thanks for this. Great review!
Would a regular tube fit in there?
Very interesting mate. Might have to give one a go.
100%!
You've convinced me Phil. I have one for the rear on the way. So you still run tubeless on the front and haven't managed to fully get away from sealant? Or you run a std tube on the front. Any handling issues having the insert only in the rear?
Zero handling issues with just doing the rear tire. We’ve seen a combination of both, running tubeless in the rear tubed Armour in the front or just tubeless armour in the rear. Hope this helps
@@RideTannus It certainly does and I bet you have seen it all. Thanks
Do the inserts start to go mushy or break down after time and wear and tear and need to be replaced, or do they last for a long time???? Thank you! Great Video!!! Keep on riding Mate!!!! Happy New Year 2024 from San Francisco Ca!!! ; )
This sounds very interesting.
I was already convinced to buy cushcore...but now THIS changes everything.
Schwalbe had a similar concept (pro-core ) with a tube inside a tube and they ran at different pressures.
Game changer!
Swapping back to tubes this spring on both full sus. And my hard tail
Watched this when it first came out, excellent! Are you still thrilled with the set up or have you moved on to something different? Hoping for a one tear review. Thanks in advance.
Do I need for the tannus Armour TUBELESS extra tires?
It does not work with usual ones right?
A very in-depth and honest review. I’ve been running cushcore for about a year now. At first F/R and now only R - it’s a DT Fr560 with Assegai Exo+ and that seems to be a good combo - no dramas as of yet.
Would you say tannus is more for the heavy-hitters and rim protections, or more for puncture protection? Considering giving it a go, although why fix a system that works very well.
Your ride qualities will improve NOTICEABLY with Tannus because of the vibration dampening the product creates plus the additional sidewall support will allow more traction, lower pressures with increased tyre stability and less rolling resistance as the 15mm thick top section creates less tyre compression at a rolling pace. Think of it as progressive travel in your tyres.
Agree with flowmentun. Plus you get more complete protection than cushcore and with the tubilito the weight is better too.
But then again if it ain't broke...
@@FlowmentumMTB after a few months there is a maximum of 2.5 mm !!!
I never left tubes so this might be perfect!
Seems like a cool product, I just am worried about having extra weight in my rear. I have a full suspension alloy bike, coming from a plus size hardtail, and I don’t like how heavy the rear end is, I can’t really justify making it any heavier.
It really depends on the trails you ride and what you currently have. For Trail and XC I think it might be a little much.
Why do you still run such a heavy tire? Especially with the Tannus you can go at least one level lighter, which will bring the weight penalty to zero compared to your previous setup with DH-casing.
nice clear review
So if i add a liner than the tubes need to be 1 size smaller?
Need an update on this, are you still using? long term review
Awesome review !
Just watched "* POOL NOODLE TIRE INSERT HACK ** - Never Get A Flat Tire Again On Any Bike!" by Jake. His video was my first introduction to this system but wanted to know more about the Tannus setup and AUD $$$. So great to see a fellow Ozzie review this product.
So my next question is: can all tubeless rims run a tube ???
Hey Phil
I’ve been watching your videos for a while now and was wondering if you could make a updated video for the best value Enduro bikes
Thanks and keep up the great quality videos
Hi mate! Did the 2021 video a few weeks back, here it is ruclips.net/video/h79vGEASXZ0/видео.html
@@trailtalkmtb6603 Oh thanks a lot must of missed it😂
I was thinking about it I think I’m going to do the tubeless tennis armour instead of tubes
If you did the front.. You chances of a tyre failure preventing you from riding home are negligible. So no need to take a tube, pump, tyre plugs or any tools to fix tyres. What do ya recon?
Hmmm I would still probably bring a tube and some levers. Even though you can run flat if you are on a big ride it would be a miserable ride back as you can only ride slow with them flat
Cool video, but have you ever tried Vittoria tires in the trial casing, I just got some this year and no punctures or side wall tares/ side wall squirming. They out perform exo casing and they are worth a try
Thanks mate! Had someone else said the same thing, will have to give them a go!
i have a 20x4.0 rim but can a 20x3.0 innertube fit and work for a 20x4.0 ? Lets say if i don"t have a 20x4.0 innertube can a 20x3.0 be a substitute ? My next question is what if i have 20x4.0 inserts can a 20x3.0 innertube fit inside a 20x4.0 inserts ? if so what will be the psi to fill the tire up ?
Hi. Thanks for video.
Wonder two things if you have experience.
1) does it feel softer than tubeless or only tube?
2) does it get thinner time by time in the tire?
Thanks for the Video. Got the regular Tannus armour insert. Just wanted to ask if you've had any experience with the tubeless version and how it compares. I would appreciate the input.
To each their own. I love tubeless and can’t ever see switching.
Hey, I got a Copperhead and SamHill bar 38mm rise too!
I want to ask you that in some reviews they say when you put the bike in garage don’t use it for around 1 month. The tannus inserts got flat and lose their hardness of absorbing on road. They say don’t put the bike for a long time on the ground stable. Did you see anything like that ? Thanks.
What size tube for 29er with tannus armour?
I haven’t had any issues running a DH dual ply tire in the back and a trail casing up front. I rarely get any flats and I ride some rocky straight edge trails.
I'm definitely on the unlucky side of things. It also comes down to riding style. I can be pretty reckless with my line choices haha
Great review! I am a newbie in offroad . Was wondering if using tannus with a liner would be overkill?
What psi are you guys running with a Tannus on your rear tire?
what is your front setup? you said Tannus is not for you in front, but since you seemed to not like to mess with sealant i wonder if you are running tubeless or with a tube/tubelito?
Epic video mate! Where do you normally ride and where is that track at 8:45? I'm looking for some places to go riding.
Cheers! Its crestwood bmx track
Be aware that Tannus armor compresses over time, i just watch a video that showed that this armor compressing down to 5mm from 15mm thick after a period of time. Their website say that it compresses the higher the psi which can be read as if you put any psi in it compresses over time. They have nothing on the rate it compresses with time .
Why don’t they make these thick enough to just do away with a tube?
Do they make these for small electric scooter tires? I have a 10" x 3" tire. Can these be cut to fit a small tire?
I am still running stock setup on my siskiu d7. I am keen on tubeless because of my imagined messiness. As some have commented about the difficulty of installation, I like to hear how bad is it to smear a few drop of chain lub in between the layers, tyre, insert and tube
Tioga Max Protect tubes have been around for quite a few years, they are like this but are made one piece I have used them but they feel a bit weird to me. I use Schwalbe tubes with slime added these days.
Interesting, looks like a similar concept as you said. They appear to be a fair bit heavier though. It would be interesting to see if the foam is similar.
@@trailtalkmtb6603 I would say that Tannus would be much lighter...for DH weight isn't really a concern though, like you say fit it to the back for insurance.
Can I use it on touring bike as well,thank you?Also what pressure?I never used tubeless setup always used tubes and I like tyres bit firmly pumped up.Couldn't find any info to what pressure I can use with these red inserts,thank you!
Cushcore is the king of inserts you can ride with the cushcore on your rim if needed.i haven’t had one problem with cushcore and my local trails are chunky rocks but you do need to get the special bead dropper tool to make life easy..
Cant argue with results! I always say, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. I love cushcore I just feel like you can get similar results and a lighter setup with the tannus.
Yes I can agree with that the trails I ride on the central coast of California are super rocky and chunky so yes there really is a set up for all types of riding and that is a good thing to have options.
Do I need for the tannus Armour TUBELESS extra tires?
It does not work with usual ones right?
Great review! In your opinion, would it be better to pair this insert with a lightweight butyl tube like the Maxxis ultralight (109 grams - $7) or shell out for the tubolito (78 grams - $35)?
How is the shock absorption? Is it worth it just to buy it for that reason?
Get them to send me a set to try in the spinifex grass and razor sharp rocks of Central Australia.
LoL
Thanks for Clip!
Great Video Thanks